/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

their best version is unironically vwhorejo. they truly dont have the talent/culture to be an english speaking JP vtuber.

>>13833075
Omega tranny
Bad management
Sabotaged by JP branch staff due to jealousy
And many more

>>13833171
First two I'll grant but I've seen no evidence JP "sabotaged" them. Especially when it's obvious the only person who gives a shit about EN growing is Mori and only in regard to her songs, not streams. Personally I think it's Kiara doing the sabotaging as revenge for being the lowest subbed member.

>>13833171
go seethe somewhere else nijinigger
you have bigger issues to worry about with your black company shuttering half of their vtubers overnight

>>13833075
Youtube removes their subs and live viewers.

kuso thread award

>>13833737
Dumbass

>>13833463
Youtube is the Gura killer all along...

>>13833075
What do you mean reclining? I suppose you have evidences to support that? Hololive is going strong as ever. Just the other day, Nijisanji terminated 50 livers because of mismanagement.

This thread is too angry. Just remember that hate is a virus.

>>13833075
>How did Hololive English go from being what looked like an unstoppable juggernaut to struggling to break 10k for most of their streams? Even Gura struggles to match up with Miko. They're reclining so fast that Council is permanently Mel tier.
HoloEN is purely a product of COVID whereas HoloJP is a product of Japanese and overseas Japanese-speaking Otaku culture.

>>13833075
Because they opted to be just regular streamers and once the novelty wore off they became... regular.
The world of entertainment moves fast as fuck and If you don't do things that garners more interest then people will move on. Personally I can't remember the last time I thought 'man this is an EN stream I have to watch'.

>>13834287
Hololive JP yes
Hololive EN just calli and irys pulling their useless branch mate

>>13833201

There's no unstoppable juggernaut in life. Everything has its own lifetime, every king must step down someday

this is their average fanbase, they're doomed to fail
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololewd/comments/r2u5s5

>>13833075
Barely supported by Cover
Even less than ID

Mori and Kiara managed to release songs and collabs because they took the matter into their own hands

>>13833075
Because they basically turned into shitty Minecraft lets players which filtered a lot of people, and now they abandoned that game for the most part so blockfags left. Only the diehards are left.

>>13833075
At first, they were interesting because they are literally EN speaking vtubers. The only reasons that their numbers are still that high are the brand and the fact that they were the first. People just care because they are labelled as "Hololive". Nowadays, there are Indies who offer a better product or even Niji EN, they just don't get these numbers because most people don't even know about them. Mori might be the only one who gives a shit, at all.

>>13833075
>Even Gura struggles to match up with Miko.
Please justify this statement. And no, YT's bugged CCV values that might as well be randomized are not evidence.

>>13835117
>Please justify this statement
>no, not using ccv absolutely not, why? fuck you! No ccv ok?

>>13833075
>struggling to break 10k
so you're just gonna lie huh?

>>13833254
Some members especially Calli have hinted that the problems with the Cover app not working well in collabs outside Japan is being deliberately ignored by staff. Every other problem I can think of is a Cover-wide thing that the JPs don't complain about

>>13835148
Yes, using the value that has been proven to not work as stated and is unreliable is not considered valid evidence. If you would like to propose an altnertive metric please feel free.

>>13833075
Youtube sees live viewers connecting to a number of data centers and doesn't know what to do about it

>>13835197
If both members are getting fucked by it then wouldn’t it be fair?

>>13835224
It's only valid if the fucking is consistent between members and it's been proven that it's not. It's not even consistent between different streams from the same member, it's completely fucking useless as a constant because it isn't one.

>>13833075
Western vtubing was a fad, this is it's actual stable level of popularity.

>>13834600
why do they type like they're on lolcow?

>>13835117
>Justify this statement, no you can't use the evidence that proves Gura can't match Miko that's cheating! It's rigged! CONSPIRACY! Youtube hates Gura!

>>13835478
>Why can't I use broken data that's provably unreliable?
Of course if the case was valid then there'd be other evidence to back it up. You do have alternative supporting evidence, right?

The HoloEN conventions were jam-packed. Youtube is understating their numbers, for whatever reason.

>>13835558
It's proven reliable because it filters out all Guras bot views.

>>13835986
But it doesn't remove them from her VODs for some reason even though that's exactly how they're processed post-stream...weird. Where are you getting the bot data from, by the way?

>>13836059
>Where are you getting the bot data from, by the way?
From the fact you've admitted that Guras CCV is low because of Youtubes algorithm that filters out bot views. You're in a no win situation, either you admit Gura is reclining in CCV or you admit that her CCV was originally inflated by bots that got filtered once Youtube fixed their shit. Either way you lose.

>>13834287
*Anycolor terminated not Nijisanji, since Yumenographia is not part of Nijisanji
Get it right holobrony

>>13836107
The VOD processing removes bot views and yet they're still there, the processing actually adds more views compared to her CCV, ergo either the CCV does not work as stated and can't be trusted or the VOD processing does not work as stated and can't be trusted. Either way this demonstrates that YT's numerics are garbage and these arguments are stupid.

>>13836204
>The VOD processing removes bot views
No it doesn't. K-Pop stans bot views on their songs all the time. CCV is much more strongly regulated and thus is the primary and defining metric for the current level of popularity of any vtuber. This is fact. You may now cope, seethe and dilate over that fact.

>>13836248
No, the post-processing of streams literally removes suspected bot views and then repopulates after processing once suspicion is cleared, whereas CCV simply filters them out. Of course, it'd make sense if Hololive were actually botting their members if they doing that in a consistent manner but the CCV inconistency suggests otherwise. So either Hololive is assigning bots in an unmanaged pattern between members even though it's been shown that bots don't populate, or the CCV doesn't work properly because it'd coded by retarded pajeets. Which is true? Who can say.

>>13833075
1. Vtubing in the west isn't as mainstream and accepted compared to the JP market. Viewers that they garnered throughout the pandemic fucked off and returned to their lives of normalcy.
2. Timezones

>>13835192
Is that why Kiara turned into Missingno in the Mario Party collab?

>>13835192
Anyone in Hololive should be living in Japan anyway. There's no excuse not to when they're pulling down 6 figure salaries at the bare minimum. Mori could afford to move to a luxury apartment within the first 5 months of joining.

>>13836411
You got people like Watson who has three pets and boyfriend named bubba. No way she’s willing to move across seas

>>13836411
>Anyone in Hololive should be living in Japan anyway
do you want them to be corporate slaves? fuck japs

>>13833075
Cover does a lot to promote vtubing in Japan. TV appearances, collabs with conbinis, heck when I head to Akihabara on weekends they have shows where some holos shill for whatever product. I can see traditional western """""media""""" absolutely hating the concept of vtubing and not giving it the time of the day.

>>13836359
No, that is because the app only allows up to 3 people in a room, which means in 4 person collabs and higher someone has to stream the live2d over discord. In the phasmo collab with kiara, mori, fauna and baelz they made 2 seperate rooms. Kiara was with mori and fauna with baelz in a room. I use this stream as an example since there were problems with the streaming over discord in the beginning and they switched between Kiara and Mori streaming the live2d of their room because of poor quality.

>>13836411
There's this thing called a family anon, not everyone is a fucking sociopath

>>13834902
which was management giving them a deadline for the portal creation. And then management saying, you know the en server is kind of empty, we want all the JP girls to do en server streams and you don't have anything for them to look at. So all of en had to spend a month on nothing but minecraft to make management and JP happy. Even council got roped into it and they were still brand new. It's like management didn't know there were only 5 en girls the whole time and their server reflected that

>>13833075
Ina had a stream yesterday where she had ~10k watchers for most of the stream. When she put up a poll, there were 25k results. Somehow 15k people entered, voted, then left in such a way that her view count did not fluctuate at all. Something is fucked.

>>13836677
You gotta move out of Mommy and Daddys basement some time anon.

>>13836644
Amazing, Cover is a tech company after all

>>13833075
Hololive EN still mogs JP. Learn English or get left behind.

>>13833260
>>13834287

And here we have a pair of wild Holobronies desperately struggling to parse any amount of correct information before speaking.

>>13833075
>Even Gura struggles to match up with Miko
Miko has the 2nd highest viewership, that's not a struggle you dumb numberfag

>>13837613
>most subscribed vtuber

>>13837064
If that's all you got from his comment then jesus christ are you dumb

>>13836411
Good fucking luck getting living quarters in Japan as a foreigner, even if you're already working for a Japanese corp.
Neckrope, stat.

>>13837836
Mori lives in a luxury apartment

>>13833075
>Even Gura struggles to match up with Miko
Tbf Miko is pretty darn strong, along with Pekora, Marine and Subaru
You'd think she'd be easily passing them with nearly 4mil subs now tho

>>13833075
Gura's overpowered, Susan has to nerf her.

>>13837667
>>13837907
Miko has more than double Gura's content in almost three times as much time as a Hololive member yet Gura has a lead of more than a third in total views on her. Gura also has the highest proportion of views to total uploads of any Holo member, a lead which unsurprisingly matches her sub lead on everyone else. In other words, her permformance matches what you'd expect and people are conflating the wrong numbers with the wrong results.

>>13837862
That's obvious. Kiara can pull that off as well, no roblem. IRyS is a no-brainer. Now think about the other nine EN members.

>>13836411
That's Cover's fault for hiring them knowing they reside abroad. Not the chuubas fault for not living in Japan. It's the employer that should be accommodating them and not the other way around. Moving to Japan in general for a better quality of life is a different matter entirely.

>>13834600
Thanks, reported to cover.

>>13833075
Don't bash on Mel. She was busy scouting gen 6.

>>13834600
I ain't clicking that Reddit link niggerkun

>>13838435
Why do you need to for anounce that?

>>13838047
>muh VOD views
Everytime

>>13839355
>Muh CCV
Every time.

>>13833075
>no offcollabs or true friendship dynamic because they were hired from all over the place
>no idol 3d because BORDER'S CLOSED DUE TO RONA
>shit management that keeps the holos locked in a gilded cage and doesn't let them play with other English vtubers
>home office at best sees it as a moneymaking venture and at worst sees it as a competitor, which would explain the jp collab droughts during the first 6 or so months
>5 holos wasn't enough to keep up the momentum all on their own for a whole year while being isolated from both eastern and western chubas
>cover eviscerated its own reputation with the cn debacle followed by punishment rooming Coco into graduation, killing the hype and momentum
>without hype and momentum, HoloMyth comes off as incredibly mediocre
>council turned out to be vastly underwhelming, and are all basically pallette swaps of HoloMyth who don't add anything new except for extra hands to till the minecra fields
Hololive EN is basically a case study in how to mismanage a vtuber branch that had everything going for it. I check gura's channel and see her playing games alone in the shorkshed. Then I hop over to Selen and see her collabing nonstop with a cavalcade of randos, one of which is even from Nijisanji's unfavorite VirtuaReal branch whom nobody talks about because up until now they haven't been relevant to the western vtubing ecosystem. Given the choice between variety or sitting alone watching a lonely streamer play video games alone, it's clear which company EOPs will slowly gra itate towards watching. Or maybe they'll go to some other company or even frequent some 2views. Either way, Hololive EN has such a stagnation problem that the Holo10 hype doesn't even trickle over.

>>13833075
Or, just bear with me here, maybe EN fans prefer watching VODs instead of live-casts, since the English speaking community is world-wide whereas the Japanese speaking community is almost entirely centralized to Japan itself, barring a minority of fans. That means there's less timezone conflicts for the overwhelming majority of a JP's gachikoi.

>>13842732
Based concise post. I've been noticing people have been slowly gravitating away from Hololive into other vtubers and their numbers are slowly going up. Whatever they're doing is so boring people are seeking out new vtubers to replace them.

It's a slow process but it's definitely happening.

>>13835341
>Western vtubing was a fad
I really think of it this way because this is not just a holo thing, niji in JP also has strong debuts this year that easily beats all of their 2020 debuts, meanwhile you can see the hype getting slower at the EN side from Lazulight to Obsydia to Ethyria. So this is a clear message that JP is still the king rn

>>13838516
how new?

>>13842732
It would also be nice if the girls didn't have to ask mangement if they can take a fucking dump it's so annoying. I'm pretty sure someone like Gura would be a lot more fun to watch if she could just stream the games she wants and not have to wait weeks for a confirmation or denial.

>>13833075
>Even Gura struggles to match up with Miko.
when will you niggers finally learn that live viewers do not matter shit? Mikos VODs get viewed by an average of 150k people. Guras average is 800k and there is not a single vtuber out there who even remotely comes close

>>13836248
>V-VOD DOES NOT COUNT BECAUSE BOTS BUT CCV DOES BECAUSE I SAY SO WITHOUT ANY PROOF
you do not even cope, you are totally removed from reality

>>13833075
Using only one metric wether it be ccv, subs, or vods only to measure how successful/popular a vtuber is is fucking retarded since it doesn't show the full picture. Rui mogs Mori's debut numbers but her debut song couldn't even match up to Mori's when Mori had less subs and less viewers at the time. Pekora mogs Gura's CCVs but Gura either consistently beats or matches Peko's vod numbers. Hell, Marine's anniversary live a year ago had much more CCVs than Ame's Myth 1st anniversary but Ame's had more vod views in like 2 weeks than what Marine had in a year. When will you niggers learn that just because a>b doesn't automarically mean that a+e+i>b+c+d?

>>13848433
When you retards learn that VOD views are worthless since watching 30 seconds counts as a view, your only correct argument was comparing mori's song with rui's song

>>13838435
I clicked it for you.

The fandom was mostly normalfags who went back to watching anime or got distracted by the next shiny thing

JP fans are a different breed.

Council didn't manage to breathe new life into the EN fandom because they ended up extremely underwhelming and lazy as fuck

>>13833075
CCV doesn't mean shit, this isn't twitch where streamers can take a break and play ads during that time
YouTube = how to make your vods more watchable. you guys can laught but gura is absolutely showing no mercy milking ads money right now

Reminders about gura
>no.1 in tier1,2 memberships
>no.1 in vod views (mid-roll ad is a thing https://youtu.be/8Vbm0b26kng))
>original song has 6.4m views on spotify
>merch sold well
>highly sought-after for doing sponsor
>infinite exposure because of clipfags
>invisible revenue from member streams which she did it a lot

>all of these with no fucking 3D and she's a bit lazy

>>13833075
>How did Hololive English go from being what looked like an unstoppable juggernaut to struggling to break 10k for most of their streams?
1. They took too long to release a second gen, five vtubers couldn't carry a gen for an entire year.
2. Dead hours. That gave fans time to look around at their competition.
3. Complacency, too much coasting on the brand. They let Irys model get a pass, Gura's rigging get a pass, awkward default poses for a lot of the marketing and advertising get a pass. And many minor things, that alone don't mean much but slowly, bit by bit degrades EN's branding.
4. Lack of competitiveness and enthusiasm: Gura herself says she doesn't want to be the number one Holo. A lack of content when there a long breaks, it seems like Ame and Bae are the only ones that realize that they can upload shorts and prerecorded videos. Im not saying o work harder but a a certain level of enthusiasm is needed to even consider working smarter and looking for workarounds.
5. Everyone is not on the same page.
Chuuni-fag management should hire chuuni talent, and anti-chuuni management should just so go normal streamers. Why isn't Omega hiring more writers/storytellers, homebrew GM/DMs, hire more thespians, talent who are genuinely into theater and that stuff?
Constant collab banning Kiara and Mori. If collabs are a problem, don't hire talent that would rather want outside collabs, and conversely, don't hire a bunch of wallflowers and think expect collabs like Umisea to turn out to be any good.

Sorry, COVIDs over.

>>13849614
>5. Everyone is not on the same page.
Dont hire anti-idols or anti-GFE/parasocial

>>13849614
>5
I agree, they need to fire Kiara and Mori right now

>>13833075
How dare you mog Mel she is trying her best unlike lazy ass council

>>13833075
>that council is

Mumei and Kronii get disgustingly high numbers considering their low effort.

>>13849614
>It seems like Ame and Bae are the only ones that realize that they can upload shorts and prerecorded videos.
Kiara posts videos while she is on her breaks, which is why Ame does it now. Also Gura was wanting to make all these Skyrim VR videos, but management blocked it. Gura also mentioned once before that all those short videos she wanted to do get blocked by management. You would know that anyone in EN posting short videos whenever they want isn't as easy as it seems.

>>13846691
And that is why the entire top 10 of Superchats for all of Youtube is JP Hololive members from viewers watching it live.

While EN is not anywhere remotely near as profitable.

>>13846679
That's the same with any JP corp tho, everyone who streams games on a professional level with a company based in JP is forced to get permissions for game streaming

>>13837287
lol

>>13849999
>Also Gura was wanting to make all these Skyrim VR videos, but management blocked it.
Maybe the permissions are sorta different? This is also the type of collab Kiara wanted with Pomu isn't it? If so I guess we know why now

>>13833075
Bad chemistry. Ultra safe management. Banned from off corp collabs.

>>13833075
Unironically reddit pandering. Reddit audience gets bored fast and doesn't superchat. When NijiEN members with 2k live viewers get more superchats than Holo with 10k something is very wrong.

>>13834460
I feel that I lost interest when the Mc arc stopped, that was something new in terms of impromptu collabs and interactions. Then the 6 month anniversary merch finally shipped and I realize I look at my keychain more than I watch their streams

>>13837564
lmfao, not that anon but you nijibronies are delusional

>>13833075
I only watch Mumei now, it’s sad

>>13857590
based

>>13857590
stopped watching her after that pregnant autism

>>13834460
>they opted to be just regular streamers
this

>>13834460
I mean ALL EN vtubers are just your everyday regular streamer so what do you want to change from them tho?

>>13834367
>HoloEN is purely a product of COVID
This. Don't know if I agree with 'purely', but 1/3 to 1/2 of all EN fans were watching only because they were stuck at home with nothing better to do. Now that life is beginning again, a lot of EN fans have moved on and only watch clips or big streams.

>>13859995
Is the "EN" distinction needed? This is a problem with all of Hololive and i would even argue all chuubas. They're all dropping.

Sure, Pekora can still get like 20k per stream but thats one streamer out of a 70+ streamer company.

Same shit with the OP, talking like this is an EN problem when fucking Aki had like 800 viewers the other day. I never even seen the least popular EN drop below 1k.

>>13862628
>I never even seen the least popular EN drop below 1k.
soon

>>13863460
Even then you'll need to have ALL of them be below 1k to classify them a failure, because you need to compare them to the avarage of all the JP members or other chuubas, and no matter how high Pekore carries the JP branch the other 50+ below 5k members will drop the number exponentially.

You can't compare something to the outlier, unless all you want is to validate your own conclusions. If you compare Pewdiepie to Pekora then Pewdiepie would also be a failure lmao.

>>13833075
easy, Cover LITERALLY and UNIRONICALLY doesn't care about them, so the talents don't care about their content, they are like wagies getting paid for 2~4 hours of daily work
see the new JP branch and how much they are getting

>>13864194
I've got a feeling /vt/ is the board with most female anons besides /cgl/, we are at least on the top 5.

I don't like it.