/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Because it's a birthday?

>>13870613
/thread

>>13870579
>why is a special event stream getting almost the same viewers as a generic mc stream from a burnout
gee i wonder why

>>13870579
>Ame playing minecraft for the 203928 time gets more Selen's huge event

>literal birthday
>still can't surpass some generic minecraft stream
Lmao

>>13870967
Minecraft used to be an easy 10K for any member of HoloEN.

>>13870613
fpbp

but selen is truly amazing
i accept those number

you really didn't think this through very well OP

guys stop fight i just wanted to know geez..

>>13871235
it's ok i forgive you buddy

>>13870579
because I want to fuck Selen, I don't want to fuck Ame

>>13870579
It'd be a shame if someone mentioned that this is Ame's big return stream, and the first real stream she's done in a week.

please let's just be friends anons. Unity is strength.

>>13871130
That Selen is getting numbers on her birthday is no surprise. Whats surprising is how badly Ame is doing playing minecraft as a return stream.

>>13870579
>birthday stream

That's a peak Niiji stream? Kek

>>13871130
The owl got 13k last night, its just Ame competing with Ina on this shit timeslot.

TAKAI CHIKARA

ZENKAI!

>>13870692
Selen has been frequently able to break above 6k for a month now though. Over time/the next year she'll probably steadily incline.

>>13871300
alright Pierce.

1.54M subs vs 193k subs btw.

No wonder Omega afraid of Nijisanji En Selen can match up to one of most sub hololive member with less than half her subs while ame is playing Minecraft one of hololive most popular games. Easily and this is without the male market backing us up hololive en probally got an couple of months let before nijisanji en becames number one baby.

>>13870579
Ame and Selen share a fanbase
they're the 'gamer girl' of their respective unit

>>13871356
La vuelta de la creatividad
Que lastima...

Even though Amelia Failson is trying to sabotage Selen's birthday, she pulls these kinds of numbers. Kneel.

>>13871531
>frequently able to break above 6k
that's not impressive outside of nijien...

>>13871550
I don't care if every planet fitness on Earth is destroyed if it means Selen is happy

>>13870579
This is why Omega fears the HoloEN x NijiEN collab.
This would open the floodgates and make people realize there's a whole world out there.

>>13871649
That's very impressive outside of Hololive.
Even NijiJP streamers rarely break 6k outside of a specific few.
If HoloEN spent more energy improving their streams instead of intentionally planning guerilla streams every time a NijiEN is doing a big event to sabotage the competition maybe they wouldn't be feeling threatened.

Selen has been streaming 6 days a week every week since debut and barely ever cancels or moves streams even when she's streaming at both JP and EN hours in the same day. If Ame had that kinda work ethic she wouldn't be struggling to break 10k viewers with how much more reach she has.

IT'S HER FUCKING BIRTHDAY OP.

>>13871649
what are you talking about, any vtuber breaking more than just 2k is successful and in a good place

>>13871649
anon, 6k is a lot outside of anything besides hololive, niji and vshojo.
it still impresses me how much the success of these companies warps the minds of the people here; having consistent 100+ viewers already puts you at the top 1% of all streamers in both youtube and twitch

>>13871855
>This would open the floodgates and make people realize there's a whole world out there.
You say this as if it's not niji blocking collabs and as if NijiEN's fanbase isn't composed entirely of double dippers or aren't spiteful ex-HoloEN viewers who feel like they've moved on to better things

>>13871855
Can't let the masses know the community outside the walls.

>>13871855
>nijiJP and nijiID collab with holoJP and holoID all the time
>a big ass portion of nijiEN's initial (and maybe current) viewerbase were ex-holoEN
fuck are you on about?

>>13872094
Why would Niji be blocking collabs? They collab with the smaller EN corpos like Prism, VShojo, Wactor, Re:Act, etc while Hololive have to fight with their manager for weeks just for a single out of company collab.

>>13870579
Happy birthday Selen! i hope you don't whore yourself out for money and fame

>>13870579
Yes can explain, you welcome

>>13871382
People are tired of Ame's shit plain and simple. She is returning to form now but after the iffy wishy-washy nature of her the last like two months it seems she genuinely killed a lot of interest.

Meanwhile Council is a thing, NijiEN is a thing, now HoloX is the hit new thing for whatever portion of her viewerbase speaks any Japanese or already were JP fans before EN.

Thing is, we should have seen this all coming, including her. It seems in response to actual intense competition she just kind of folded and got a bit angsty over it, while Gura doubled down a few months ago to stay relevant. She had a week break recently but besides that she became a lot more attentive and doing more than usual - she has a fighting spirit, she does not wanna be like Fubuki was sitting there at the top but it all being deadsubs with lower CCV than many other Holos. That just forces the has-been aspect into starker clarity.

Ame did not fight back against becoming a has-been, she cowered in the corner and got mad at her chat, and is starting to get that kind of impression on me.

>>13872203
>>13872094
This myopic view is very unbecoming of you.
It's not just about NijiEN, it's about all of the EN startups and indies out there, on both twitch and youtube.
Once HoloEN viewers get a taste of the forbidden fruit of outside vtubers, they'll be willing to check out many more, from many other companies and people. They won't feel so compelled to stay within the Hololive bubble.

Is this going to be the new holobronies/nijinigger general thread???

>>13872530
>People are tired of Ame's shit plain and simple. She is returning to form now but after the iffy wishy-washy nature of her the last like two months it seems she genuinely killed a lot of interest.
People say Ame has been returning to form seemingly every month but she just continues to cancel streams and shit on her viewers and never finish games. Face it, this is the real Ame, the debut Ame was just her being on her best behavior for like 2 weeks before she saw the first paycheck and lost all interest in delivering content.

>>13872745
And you have been saying she'll graduate for 6 months. Seems to me you're just coping, as always.

>>13872745
>>13872530
She keeps taking one step forward than 3 steps back. Every time she looks like she's improving she decides to say "fuck it" and go back to the obnoxious part of her. But I wouldn't say people are tired of it, she still has the same people enabling it.

>>13872579
Remember to keep it in this thread if you guys want to fight each other like moron

I still wonder how the Holos have low NUMBERS when compared to their subscriber counts, whether its just due to changes in the algorithm or people just decide to dip after the honeymoon period and only stick around for events like costumes.

Thank you for the containment thread.

>>13872854
I've never said that and if you know NEETs like her you'd know she'd never graduate and ruin a good thing. She still has probably over 2000 members despite never streaming, why would she give up that steady paycheck when she has no expectations on her? She's already settled into being a lazy piece of shit and will coast by in HoloEN to fund her lifestyle until the company folds.

>>13870579
This is for you, OP.

>>13872544
>They won't feel so compelled to stay within the Hololive bubble.
but there's nothing wrong with hololive acting as a gateway to other chuubas. besides, historically something being the gateway to something doesn't necessarily decrease its popularity.
now, for what reason does either nijiEN's or holoEN's management (probably the latter) decide to act so fucking autistic about them collabing when nijisanji and hololive as a whole do it all the time, that's another conversation.

>>13871382
>8k ccvs
>bad
Ame's doing better than she has in awhile. Take your meds.

>>13872745
>Ame was just her being on her best behavior for like 2 weeks before she saw the first paycheck and lost all interest in delivering content.
>implying Ame cares about money
She regularly disables superchats and tells people to stop donating. Forget the meds, schizochama. Just shoot yourself.

>>13873003
You sound very upset, possibly even jealous by this. I'm sorry they don't hire trannies.

>>13873032
Judging from his tweets and focuses like lore it's starting to look like "do the opposite of whatever Omega says" should be the M.O from now on. Maybe he made sound decisions before but it seems he lost the Midas touch somewhere, or never had it and the good aspects of EN are really from someone else.

>>13872544
>This myopic view
>Once HoloEN viewers get a taste of the forbidden fruit of outside vtubers, they'll be willing to check out many more, from many other companies and people. They won't feel so compelled to stay within the Hololive bubble.
Highly ironic to say this as if the vast majority of the english speaking viewer base isn't also HoloEN fans or as if HoloEN doesn't shape the overall culture of the ENVtuber land scape

>>13870579
Most popular streamer's birthday vs 2 mundane Holo streams.

>>13873032
Hololive would unironically improve their content from collabing with other vtubers. There's no reason to think they'd lose viewers, there's many things they could learn from the smaller chuubas who actually had to struggle to develop a following.

>>13873311
You realize the holos were 2views before the became holos, right? They fucking know the struggle, you idiot.

>>13873261
Selen popular? Maybe to Selencucks

>>13873002
Ikr! Can't believe this bunch moron got their own general, luck of them

>>13873361
No one does thieir reps anymore, I swear.

>>13873361
Hololive as a whole were 2views before they started collabing with Nijisanji

>>13873221
>as if HoloEN doesn't shape the overall culture of the ENVtuber land scape
It's not 2020 anymore, HoloEN's walled garden approach has isolated them from the rest of the EN scene. Nobody is inspired by their content anymore. Hell I've seen more EN vtubers inspired by HoloJP content like Haachama cooking than anything HoloEN has done.

>>13873361
Not really? The only one that was any kind of streamer from Myth was Ame and she turned out to be the worst streamer of them all lmao. The other girls who came from more professional environments have much better work ethic and creativity than the former 2view that just downloads assets from StreamElements and tries to pass it off as her own creativity.

>>13873379
To clarify, most popular Niji EN streamer, not the most popular streamer ever, in the history of streaming.

>>13873018
Based anti-tribalfag Mito poster

>>13871606
I don't think Ame is aware of Selen in that way, not that she doesn't probably know she exists but it would be strange if someone like Ame that doesn't give a shit about numbers to be like "I have to specifically stop this girl from getting big numbers".

>>13873667
That's a bait post you're responding to.

Who is going to be the first WhoroEN to submit themselves to Nijisanjification and say happy birthday to Selen?

>>13871560
Unironically since Selen knows Bora and Bora knows Towa she'll probably end up collabing with Towa before any holoens. Omega is a fucking retard for not understanding the Pekora Thesis of Streaming- that interesting things get views, seeing viewers as a finite resource to be fought over only weakens the greater market.

>>13873795
Bora who?

>>13872544
If we're going by that view then HoloJP is a threat since I prefer HoloJP to most HoloENs, since the fans are slightly less autistic/less likely to be here from twitter.

>>13872222
>Why would Niji be blocking collabs?
It's just a NijiEN management thing, they're seemingly afraid of hololive in general for some reason
KiaraXPomu getting blocked was one thing but the idea that a SelenxOllie collab took this long to potentially materialize, has me inclined to believe this is a NijiEN issue
>>13873579
>It's not 2020 anymore, HoloEN's walled garden approach has isolated them from the rest of the EN scene.
>Hell I've seen more EN vtubers inspired by HoloJP content like Haachama
Ame literally started the trend of having modeled feet/legs hanging on her desk and then nearly single vtuber (Including Haachama) proceeded to copy the idea and do themselves

>>13873875
The once queen of NijiKR and Towa's friend.

>>13873924
>Ame literally started the trend of having modeled feet/legs hanging on her desk
LMAO
I hope this is bait

>>13873968
NijiKR in name only.

>>13873968
Weird, you'd think the queen of NijiKR would have more than 3 videos on her account.

>>13873974
>https://youtu.be/oRMh4sP4J4s?t=5519
Ogey retardchama, I guess it's coincidence that after this stream every vtuber also had the same exact idea

>>13873924
lol

>>13874109
Indie reps anon.....

Selen just beat ina holobros try to put up a fight your loseing to people you called trash. But now the shoe on the other foot.

>>13874223
Anonchama...where do you think those indies got the idea from? (Hint: it wasn't themselves)

>>13874109
anon....lol...

>>13874250
?

>>13873924
Any proof for the assumption it is on the Niji EN side and not the Holo EN side? We dont know what's actually happening behind the scenes, but with how Holo EN management has be troublesome for pushing collabs through all fingers naturally point to that. Compared to Niji EN which has only blocked Millie from collaborating outside of Niji EN before the one month mark. Otherwise they have collabed with Niji ID, KR, and JP, then indies (those indies not even always being vtubers) and corpos like WACTOR and PRISIM. Push your narrative as much as you want, but from information that is known there is only a singular conclusion.

>>13870579
Ame doesn’t count because she has intentionally sabotaged her numbers. Sad it takes a birthday stream to get close to holoEN numbers, regardless.

>>13873974
starting a trend means they popularized it, not that they invented it before anyone, anon.

>>13874562
>to get close
She got more views than Ame now lol

>>13870613
/thread
Also people are horribly fucking sick of Mineshit.

>>13871531
Literally not true

>>13874707
>Ame copies indie vtubers
>WOW LA CREATIVIDAD AME I KNEEL
>Still won't collab with the same indies she steals content from though

>>13874905
>>WOW LA CREATIVIDAD AME I KNEEL
when the fuck did I say that? take your meds or neck yourself

>7k on the buffest of buffest Ame games.
Goddamn she declined hard.

>>13870579
Wow, big birthday event gets around the same numbers as a normal stream. Are people supposed to be impressed about that?

>>13871560
>hololive en probally got an couple of months let before nijisanji en becames number one
Try a couple of years at least. Monopolies don't fall that fast unless they're helmed by outright malicious companies like Activ8 or Brave Group.

>>13874481
Holoid is managed by m chan who is super lax. Ollie collabed with nijiid, indies, 2views and non vtubers like that shogi sensei. Moona collab with indies all the time. The only common ground here is nijien management.

If you don't get what you want from someone, you just move on to someone else.
Ame's been acting like a crazy person and pushing people away for months, its not surprise her numbers dropped, she'll reel them on the special stuff though.

I do hope Ame gets over whatever it is that's bothering her, I enjoyed her a lot during those first months of hers.

>>13875554
It is more than just regional management, higher management that supercedes everyone else can give such orders. Holo EN has a grip on the EN market, I don't see why they'd essentially give free advertising to an EN competitor when they aren't on equal footing.

>>13874369
INAWINSLOL

>>13874481
>Any proof for the assumption it is on the Niji EN side
My proof is HoloEN management seemingly not really minding them collabing outside of the company anymore. Mori, Kiara and Ina have all collab outside of hololive multiple times now
The idea they're ok with Vsho/TT/Indines/Artist collectives/Award shows but the draw the line at NijiEN is fairly laughable especially with considering the two company have an establish history of allowing collabs
Then you look at this on a case by case basis
Holo management was ok with Kiara collabing with Nyanners,Veibae,Gigguk,Momojelly,etc yet Pomu is a bridge too far? that's incredibly suspicious and points to me believe it's NijiEN management who said no
Then we have Ollie and Selen, this collab seems like it's going through a bunch of red tape to happen, now HoloID management is notoriously lax when it comes to collabs and Ollie being the biggest example, she collabs with literally anyone and everybody, yet I'm supposed to believe Selen is the sole streamer who HoloID's management is going over with a fine comb? makes no sense
The only logical conclusion here is that it's NijiEN management who's hesitant to let them interact with Hololive

>>13871531
If she has been frequently able to break above 6k for a month, her monthly median would have been 6k, not around 3k

>>13870579
Selen is the ace of NijiEN

>>13876063
>ace
>birthday stream
>can't even make it to 10k

I don't understand why holobros get so defensive. Why does it bother them so much?

>>13874369
Based Ina shat on the two shitters, one was playing MC while the other was having a birthday stream (the only stream that was going on by then for her group, even)

>>13875748
She doesn't want to be popular. Literally, that's what she wants, plain and simple. She wants a small but loyal fanbase, a manageable chat, and generally just less expectation and pressure on her shoulder. Kinda like what Sana has now.

She's fine with not getting all the money or the fame, as long she has a respectable income with which she can make a comfortable living.

>>13873708
Me.

>>13876135
Couldn't break 6k before. Then couldn't break 7k. The bar goes higher and higher.

>>13876400
Vtubers like Coco, Kuzuha, Pekora fried the brains of numberfags. Not every vtuber can live up to those impossible standards. Most streamers would kill to have Ame's salary and views.

Happy birthday Selen!
I love you so much, you deserve the world!

>>13875804
>>13876007
My rrat is nijien blocked holo because holo has the anti-china stigma. Nijien receives china sponsorship and probably will get a few more of those. I know nijijp collabs with holojp but nijien is still new and they want to play it safe and prevent the bugs from sperging out like the asus and coco playism incident which is understandable.

>>13876400
>She wants a small but loyal fanbase, a manageable chat, and generally just less expectation and pressure on her shoulder. Kinda like what Sana has now.
NijiEN members have all that and their numbers, as can be seen in the OP, are still growing healthily. Ohnonono Holobros…

>>13876459
There's no point in bragging about growth for NijiEN at the moment, because there is no significant growth. Remember when people talked about how Obsydia's sub growth was much faster than LazuLight's and that was a sign that NijiEN was inclining? Then Ethyria came out and they're even slower than LazuLight to get to 100k, while also regularly getting 500 ccv streams which wasn't common before Ethyria came out. The fact is that NijiEN's audience, while not getting smaller, is getting too spread out as they add more vtubers than the amount of new audiences can catch up with. Any sudden increases or milestones in subs, views, or ccv like with Selen's birthday stream are just spurs of the moment, you can't use them as proof that they're inclining.

>>13876048
>frequently=must be the median number

Kill yourself, stop putting words in other people's mouths you obnoxious cocksucker.

>>13876729
Yeah, you can tell that had she not joined holoen first, she'd have absolutely loved to make nijien her roosting place. In fact, were it not for her genmates and the scandal it'd have accrued, she'd have ditched holoen, no fuss no muss, and auditioned for nijien.

>>13876822
>500 streams

That was in october. In november I regularly see people like Millie and Nina getting around 2000 in their streams.

>>13876822

That's a fair point. I generally can only watch a vtuber if they're available. I don't have time to watch vods as I'm busy with school and work so having to try and keep up with dozens upon dozens of vtubers is tiring.

>13870579
>Special even for Selen
>can't even beat Ame playing fucking minecraft off all games
I don't think this looks as good for you the way you think it does shitposter

Numberfags outside of the numbers thread should be range banned. 80% of this board is just numbers flinging.

>>13876415
Thanks, Ina.

>>13874102
She literally graduated today you fucking retard.

>>13870579
the only surprising thing here is that amelia is actually getting 8k viewers

>>13876603
yeah, niji has a ton of chinese investors too

>>13876822
This, and incoming wave 4, they will be more spread out.

>>13874215
>1 hololive vtuber to reach 1m subs

>>13874215
>releasing multiple songs immediately during and after debut and reaching top 10 charts on itunes
the song is not even good but I can see it belongs in top 10 charts

>>13876007
vshojo is the only comparable unit you listed and it already has very good numbers, also debuted too close to holoEN for cover to really influence their too much
nijisanji is direct competition in japan and the EN branch came late enough and is still in their growth period so cover can try to choke them out and keep their own viewers away

>>13877340
Ina stopped streaming and her views went up

>>13871855
>tfw Omega is like the king of the walls and Kiara is like Eren Jaeger

>>13877416
Learn how to read you fucking retard.

>>13877552
She's not the 1st to reach 1m subs newfuck, learn to fact check before you run off like a dammed fool.

>>13877201
That thread is a circlejerk of hololive fans.

>>13877416
Shark reached 1M before doggo, anon. I still remember people joking around how Korone was cucked from "1st Holo to reach 1M sub" by Gura even after she beat FBK in subs last year
(Gura reached 1M sub by 2020/10/21. Korone only got there by 30 Oct)

>>13877645
feel free to point out who was, then

>>13877645
>deleted
at least you recognize it kek

>>13871130
Gura still gets nearly 20k every mc stream and 30k if it’s on the jp server, the block game will never die.

>>13874215
I've thought about it, and realized that Ame is probably the strongest "behind the scenes" EN. Her solo streams aren't great, she often just goes quiet during collabs, and she hasn't dramatically improved at streaming since starting like Gura and Kiara, but she managed to make the anniversary and halloween streams happen and I'm willing to bet she does more than just that.

>>13877661
Well, not Hololive fans' fault that mathematically, their numbers are better. While there are indeed some tribalism flying around, they praise non-Hololive chuubas properly when they can pull big numbers, though.
(And this thread would have been debunked if posted over there seeing that Ame's CCV is now 9k+ when she doesn't have to share a timeslot with Ina - not much better than Selen's birthday, but better nonetheless)

>>13874801
*horribly fucking shit of Ame's shit

Why does it feel like NijisanjiEN have much more chemistry than HoloEN?

Even the most recent NijiEN wave feels like they gel better with their senpais than the council does.

people still watch the blonde chick from HoloEN? lol didnt they change the western roster?

>>13878005
IRyS said Ame is like the technician for HoloEN and mentioned that Ame helped her in several streams. Some other Myth members said that as well so that's likely to be the case, yeah.

>>13871382
Consider that maybe some people who would be watching Ame are instead watching Selen because it's a special event. Most NijiEN fans are HoloEN fans after all, and a NijiEN stream they prioritize is a potential lost view for HoloEN.

>>13870579
people realized that EN are all Western whores.

>>13878135
Hololive imposes more rules on what they can and cannot say on stream. And who knows what policies they have behind the scenes.
Meanwhile in NijiEN, Finana can talk about her "electric toothbrush" or Pomu can ask Nina if she eats dicks and it will get clipped on Nijisanji's official channel. The freedom they have allows them to bond organically

>>13878135
Because they do. I usually watch NijiEN but when I try out a HoloEN collab it's always so jarring in comparison because it's full of dead air and awkwardness.

>>13870579
How many anniversary streams Selen can have in a year....oh wait

>>13877422
I this post is so wrong I don't even know where to being
>vshojo is the only comparable unit you listed and it already has very good numbers, also debuted too close to holoEN
Vshojos number range greatly between like 1k to 8k depending on who's streaming
Also every single Vshojo member besides Hime predates holoEN, I mean for fucks sake Mouse debuted before Sora and Ame's roommate was literally Slivervale's Mama and Papa
>nijisanji is direct competition in japan
Yet literally all of their branches besides EN intermingle
> EN branch came late enough and is still in their growth period so cover can try to choke them out and keep their own viewers away
This the part that's really mind boggling to me
You think NijiEN debuting much latter some how makes them a "threat" despite the fact that HoloEN owns the monopoly on thought space so if anything they're fighting uphill battle Vshojo is far more of a "threat" because they formed literally a month after HoloEN debuted
Also you claim they're "trying keep their viewers away" then explain what's causing Ollie and Selen so much trouble in their collab approved, you think HoloID management is sudden worried about getting their viewers taken away despite the fact that most of their viewership is Bahasa speakers or the fact that HoloID has directly comparable or lower numbers than NijiEN?
Please, what a ridiculous notion it's quite obvious NijiEN has a stick up their ass when it comes to Hololive

>>13870579
>guys how is possible
>is almost ... numbers
>can explain this please
I thought a/vt/ists hated SEAmonkes and numberfags, let alone both in one OP. Why did (You) give him triple digit replies? (You) weren't even telling him to fuck off, you were just responding to his bait. What do (You) mean by it?

>>13878135
>Why does it feel like NijisanjiEN have much more chemistry than HoloEN?
Unironically a confirmation bias in order to feel superior about literally anything
You get mogged thoroughly in literally every definitive metric that you have to cling to something as vague and nebulous as ""chemistry"" to feel like you have a leg up on them

>>13878628
(We) love numbers

>>13871531
Lmao taking that source off your ass?

>>13870579
We just can't stop winning Nijibros.

>>13878788
by "definitive metric" you mean numbers, which has nothing to do with the actual content of the streams

>>13878788
That just sounds like a cope

>>13878488
Nta
Selen/Ollie could have been anything. Scheduling issues. Different priorities. I saw someone suggest it might have been delayed from the Holo side because of HoloEN2. Proper speculation would require Selen and Ollie's words on what was happening with the collab.
>Vshojo is far more of a "threat"
Yes, if we assume HoloEN watchers are interested in Vshojo content and Vshojo vtubers on a different platform.
>EN branch came late enough and is still in their growth period so cover can try to choke them out and keep their own viewers away
>NijiEN debuting much latter some how makes them a "threat" despite the fact that HoloEN owns the monopoly on thought space
If HoloEN management are paranoid enough and don't trust their talents' appeals to keep their viewers in, yes, this is possible. The reason could be something else.
Here's a question, has Pomu talked about management after the Kiara collab got rejected and if yes, what has she said and in what manner? Additionally this happened after a NijiEN collab https://youtu.be/BBG013syul8?t=218 where staff specifically asked if there was a way to make Pomu happy after they thought she was unhappy when she was joke mad in a collab. They all seem to like their one manager too so I don't think the problem was on the NijiEN side unless HoloEN had demands they were unwilling to fulfill.

>>13870579
SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, I CAN HIT A NASTY STANKY LEG

>>13878788
Don't NijiEN bring in more SC than most of EN?

>>13879756
They are about equal. Which is kinda funny considering it's streamers with 100-200k subs vs people with millions.

>>13878788
>muh popularity

Every time. Also Twilight is the best book ever and Avengers is the best movie ever right? HoloEN gets those numbers thanks to Reddit pandering.

Enjoying some birthday cake with my wife. Hope you guys are doing well.

>>13879756
No the numbers thread has a chart. With the birthdays and triple the monetized streams NijiEN still made way less than HoloEN (a lot of the girls have been on breaks too).

>>13879914
That's not funny, that's literally botting.

>>13878788
>Unironically a confirmation bias in order to feel superior about literally anything
I'm not a tribalfaggot but no man, he's right. NijiEN girls have excellent collabs and they feel far more close knit. My theory is that this is an outgrowth of the fact NijiEN was taking it in the ass at the beginning and this resulted in a more self-encouraging culture and camaraderie.

Also, on a kinda related note - Petra is the dark horse of Obsydia. Or rather a penguin. She's improved so, so much since her beginning and now usually has around or even above 1k watchers. It doesn't sound impressive until you realize she could barely pull 500 on a good day.

The bottom line is NijiEN is inclining because people simply discovered them and went out to look for new streamers and found them. And unlike Council, Niji's new batch is actually good.

>>13874801
Minecraft is a buff game, dumb spic

>>13880009
It's not botting more like reddit fags who sub then never watch 5 minutes of a stream.

>>13879756
Not really.
I meant, depends on what you meant by "NijiEN", I guess. If you are putting all NijiEN together against HoloEN individuals, sure, but that'd be rather meaningless. On the other hand individually, they don't. Give credits where it's due, there are 2 NijiEN did better (in term of SC) than more than 5 HoloENs members last month (Pomu @ $22.6k and Nina @ $20.3k), but the rests didn't. Collectively, none of NijiEN wave has reached any of HoloEN Gen yet (unless you want to count IRyS as a one person gen), with Ethyria coming closest to that (they were 7k behind Council last month, and both Council and Ethyria are ~$60k behind Myth).

>>13880058
That isn't what numbers were telling, anon. Pic related.
This is why the number thread is necessary, because even though there were shit ton of tribalism, at least they provide cold hard facts backed by numbers

>>13879914
Maybe if Holos actually engage superchat, which they dont, specially Ame, who have been discouraging scs since debut. Combined with the fact that they dont stream that much. Specially Council. So much potential but they are wasting it

>>13879696
>I saw someone suggest it might have been delayed from the Holo side because of HoloEN2.
Impossible considering the possible of them collabing was first mentioned months after HoloEN2 came out, also why the fuck HoloID management care about a deubt in another branch? do you understand how ridiculous it sounds that a manager in another branch prevented a collab from happening?
>If HoloEN management are paranoid enough and don't trust their talents' appeals to keep their viewers in,
This is such a bizarre leap in logic, like Ok HoloJP, HoloID, NijiJP, NijiID, and NijiKR are all fine with intermingling with no fear of "keeping viewers" yet HoloEN HoloID are having issues? the only common denominator here is NijiEN
If I'm Kiara's manager and I'm afraid of losing viewers to someone else, Nyaners and her ability to pull 5-8k viewers scares me a lot more than Pomu and her ability to her pull 1-3k does

>>13878488
holoID is literally EN lite and that's the only reason they inclined so much
nijiEN management has nothing to lose and everything to gain from a holo collab, meanwhile holo management is infamously stubborn about collabs outside the group (and sometimes within). i guess precedent and logic don't matter though.
>You think NijiEN debuting much latter some how makes them a "threat"
no, I think NijiEN is the most direct analog to HoloEN in the market and so it makes sense for HoloEN to try and limit their growth as much as possible before they become viable competition.

>>13880699
this chart always seems like unncessary bullying, why you gotta do them like that

>>13880699
>at least they provide cold hard facts backed by numbers
Your chart completely leaves out that Ethyria almost doubled the amount of streamers in the division and it's not uncommon anymore for there to be several overlapping streams dividing viewers. No shit when you divide your viewerbase into 4 or 5 it's a smaller number than 1 or 2.

>>13880699
>>13881070
Nice try holobronies. It's just Erythia dragging the average down. Post the holoEN chart now. Council dragged them down as well and they're barely above Erythia in SC.

>>13870613
/thread

>>13881399
Why do you like to post claims without proof yourself

>>13881351
isn't it a pretty bad sign if you double your number of streamers and don't manage to expand your audience at all

>>13876303
Pokemon buff tho

>>13881700
Pokemon has not been a buff in EN.

I watch both sides and chemistry feels the same? Some members mix with some members better which is common. Do people equate peepeepoopoo jokes for baiting clips as chemistry and humour?

>>13878788
I'm admittedly a holofag but you are delusional if you think Niji's chemistry isn't more natural

>>13881867
>Do people equate peepeepoopoo jokes for baiting clips as chemistry and humour?
That or they literally don't watch council who have meshed a lot better than the antisocial shit that is Ame.

>>13881918
Council doesn't even stream. How are a bunch of Ayames going to have chemistry?

>>13881696
The audience really clearly has expanded, their big collabs are constantly getting bigger and bigger live viewers. That chart doesn't prove shit on its own except that they've split their viewerbase more than it's grown because of the greater volume of streams.

>>13881399
Even without Ethyria, their numbers were still below their earlier median during Oct, just not trending that far downwards. Moreover, that'd invalidate what the other anon claimed
>And unlike Council, Niji's new batch is actually good.

>>13881059
>holoID is literally EN lite and that's the only reason they inclined so much
This is dumb to say considering ID predates EN by several months has always conducted themselves different to both branches as well
>nijiEN management has nothing to lose and everything to gain from a holo collab
By this logic NijiEN has much reason to be afraid of losing viewers to HoloEN and HoloID as well
It because it's grossly overstated and inflated, by the fact the out of 11 members in HoloEN only Mori and Kiara seem to actively attempt to do outside collabs, in fact Ironmouse let it a slip a few weeks ago that she and Mori are trying plan something. In HoloEN's history there's only be one collab that's been hard Nope'd and that was when Mori wanted to collab with Moistcritcal
>no, I think NijiEN is the most direct analog to HoloEN in the market
What makes you say this? Nijisanji is a much weaker brand in the west than Hololive, Vshojo is more popular as well, shit I would even argue Pikamee is more of threat than NijiEN yet they allowed her to collab with EN

>>13880699
>Unlock SC
>start doing 400 views SC readings
>OMG average is going down they died!!!

Meanwhile in real life they are doing 2-3k streams while they used to struggle to 1.5k before.

>>13870579
Tick TOCK Selen will bring Niji to the top.

>>13881399
Here is Holo and Niji (HoloEN and HoloJP included) chart, by the way. You can see that while HoloEN normalized back down after Council debut buff faded, their numbers rose afterwards and have been quite stable ever since. NijiEN hasn't managed to do so yet

>>13880699

>>13882119
>>And unlike Council, Niji's new batch is actually good.

They are. Nina is getting very good SC numbers. Millie and Enna keep doing 2k streams easily now. Ethyria had a rough start but they really brought new people.

>>13882461
Forgot to attach the chart

>>13882512
If watch numbers means quality than Council is still better. Are you fucking stupid.

>>13870579
>>13880699

>>13882119
What the hell is that NijiKR line gonna look like without Bora?

>>13882550
May as well not exist, most likely. Bora was hard carrying after Yuya left (FOR THE SAME A FUCKING REASONS TOO I'M SO MAD) so here we are.

>>13882408
Look at >>13882119 and you can see that even without Ethyria, NijiEN's numbers still didn't really go up either

>>13882620
Seffy and Hada usually get 150-200, right? I'm not sure who else is in that group.

>>13882408
see >>13864401
The higer average is selene with 2.7k
lowest is reimu with 700
They are low as fuck

>>13882119
>Even without Ethyria, their numbers were still below their earlier median during Oct
Oh wow, a small variance of 200 viewers and in line with the amount of viewers they were getting prior to that. Median doesn't tell the whole history either. NijiEN is definitely having an easier time hitting higher peaks now.

>>13882551
You are the one talking about numbers retard. Entire NijiEN branch is inclining super hard. Because people who actually try watching them stay. Live views average means shit when they are having 3x more streams than HoloEN including hours long superchat reading to low numbers.

When you look at actual streams numbers are way better than a month before.

>>13882744
So you're just straight up ignoring everything that has been said (with proof) for the past 20 minutes. Nice.

>>13882727
> NijiEN is definitely having an easier time hitting higher peaks now.
this month they had like 3 birthdays they did some milestones for 200k and 100k and a few good stream. But doesnt change the average and they are low on average>>13882690

>>13882523
alright i take what i said earlier back, this chart is actual bullying

>>13882727
Millie keeps doing 3k streams when she struggled to hit 1k before. Those lower averages come from stuff like Nina talking in russian for hours to 500 viewers.

>>13882771
I don't give a fuck about your cope theories I actually watch streams and see how much better their numbers are now.

>>13882744
lol are you the retard that kept posting Selen updates in the numberfag general until Ina and Ame (Mori too) passed her with their regular streams?

>>13882844
"This low variance is doing the content she wants to do"

Ok?

>>13882844
millie has an avergae of 1k for november get that trough your skull

>>13882523
How is HoloID doing better than NijiEN? Explain this shit nijifags

>>13883008
It's even sadder when you see Anya's usual numbers...

>>13882950
No growth to see right?

>>13883008
Ethyria is an entire gen of Anyas.

>>13883062
at least anya can get above 10k on event streams

>>13882523
HoloID being in spitting distance of NijiJP's median ccvs is super impressive

>>13883062
Keep trying. Cope in next few months is going to keep getting better and better. Those charts are literally the opposite of Council.

why is it always holoEN vs nijiEN, not Vshojo vs nijiEN?

Oh look another dying one.

>>13883040
no you motherfucker
see the whole 2 months if you are arguing for views

>>13883218
Because vshojo isn't a real company and is just the largest fish on twitch using a logo. Certainly that was recently illustrated very clearly.

>>13882304
ID inclined massively due to EN drawing in EN viewers and ID2 was after myth and again rode the EN hypewave and EOP pandering.
>By this logic NijiEN has much reason to be afraid of losing viewers to HoloEN and HoloID as well
Very few NijiEN viewers are not already aware of Hololive. Every western vtuber fan is aware of Hololive, NijiEN is currently much more obscure.
>In HoloEN's history there's only be one collab that's been hard Nope'd and that was when Mori wanted to collab with Moistcritcal
That we know of.
>What makes you say this? Nijisanji is a much weaker brand in the west than Hololive,
It's not branding, it's presentation. The waves, characters, production, style of content etc is all very similar
>Vshojo is more popular as well, shit I would even argue Pikamee is more of threat than NijiEN yet they allowed her to collab with EN
People know vshojo and Pikamee, and they're not direct competition in the same way. Vshojo offers a different kind of streamer experience. Pikamee's not corpo, she's just a regular streamer, and her main demographic isn't EOPs.

>>13883253
>get superchats
>keep doing long readings to 1/3 of your normal views
>Oh look they are dying!!!!

>>13883127
NijiJP has quadrillions of streamers. Average/median is useless for measuring them. You need to measure each streamer instead.

Numberfags deserved to be purged.

>>13883008
>leeches to the fastest growing vtuber unit in the history of the sport
>vs relatively new division to a brand with zero recognition in the west

>>13883345
Even in that context of shotgun strategy of dozens of streamers JP is of course the birth place of the fad and for an audience like ID that sort of retention is crazy good even if it has a smattering of EOPs. Median also balances that out, the mid level niji talent is equivalent to HoloID's output.

>>13870613
special stream vs special stream . she has almost the same numbers as Mori! how is this possible ?

>>13883529
Jump King is NOT a special stream and anyone who says otherwise is fucking deluded and haven't watched the last two where barely anyone joined or didn't join at all. She's done like 6 of them already.

>>13882690
Man ethyria and obsidian (without selen)
are in the dumpster

>>13870579
>Whole branch streaming can't even beat a low tier holo
Sad!

>>13883333
>Have to rely on SC to survive
>Kills your CCV and views growth by reading SC
>Effectively kills your chance of getting sponsorship in process
Have you ever wondered why it was Selen / Fianna / Pomu (mainly Selen) who has been getting good stuffs instead of Ethyria or Petra even though Nina made more SC than all of those three, anon?

These are the real numbers that matter.
If the content is so good, and so many people are watching it, why aren't as many people talking about it?

>>13883529
>special stream
This is like the 13th time Mori has streamed Jump King....

>>13883644
Because Ethyria literally just came out retard?

Also they had a bad start but things improved fast. The only one struggling is Reimu and even she shows a decent upward trend now.

>>13883644
I remember when Nijis had all the numbers and Hololive fans kept bringing superchats as counterargument. Oh how tides turned.

>>13883959
i mean total SC mogs most of them.
not even pomu is new what Kroni has made on SC alone.

>>13883847
Council just came out roughly a month before Ethyria and they already have - as Kiara said it - sponsorships specified for them (not to mention "collab" with Japan consulate), so I'm not sure what your point is. Is Ethyria getting their designated sponsorships next month, then?

>>13883959
Considering how many breaks council takes or turns off superchats or does unarchived streams with SC Off they're doing pretty well for themselves

>>13883644
>>Kills your CCV and views growth by reading SC

Complete fucking bullshit. Their peaks keep getting better and they are now regularly matching HoloEN in SC.

>>13883959
Except that was an argument about Ethyria's progression and Ethyria's alone, instead of any direct comparison. If you want a direct comparison, HoloEN is still getting way more SCs than NijiEN, and Holo didn't hurt their viewerships for SCs back then either

>>13884079
Of course they are doing well compared to typical streamers. But they are slowly going down.

>>13884095
They are $60k behind HoloEN in SC in one of their most buffed months. I'm not sure how that is "regularly matching" for you...

>>13884264
Because they're not streaming lmao
Like holy shit Kronii was gone last week, Bae is gone this week, Sana has like no more scheduled streams and might guerilla pokemon, Fauna took two days off because she wasn't feeling well and sunday she was in a collab on someone else's channel, Mumei just full on debuffs herself at every turn and streams less frequently because she has school. Like come on man. Compared to people who stream almost every day?

Outside of Selen [since I actually membered her] how often do Niji's do member streams out of curiosity.

>>13883581
>>13883839
actually its a jump king Finale so it is a special stream

>>13884571
Eh, like once every two weeks or something. I honestly don't care because they streams so much member stuff is a drop in the ocean.

>>13884432
There's threads about this every single day. Council can do the bare minimum, show up for three hours a week, and still get showered in superchats.
Meanwhile basically every other non-Holo or Vshojo ENVtuber has to grind streams every single day just for a few pennies.

>>13884705
Council paid their dues by working hard and getting into Hololive. It didn't just happen overnight, they grinded harder than any non-Holo or Vshojo ENVtuber to get where they are.

>>13883777
That /hlgg/ thread is a recycled thread though which was created 40 minutes before people began to actually use it.

>>13884705
They treat this like a shitty job they are forced to do. Indies, Nijis or even fucking Vshojo keep having fun streaming.

>>13884972
Or, you know, they have personal circumstances that makes them not able to stream and they have the ability not to. It's like complaining that someone who makes 120k a year at an office job and works 4 and a half days a week should try harder than someone who has to work almost every day of the week to make ends meet because they're didn't get a degree.

>>13884930
>Laughs in Sana-nese

>>13883529
Mori doesn't even have anyone in voice chat with her.

>>13885105
>they have personal circumstances that makes them not able to stream

Yes. All of them. At the same time.

>>13885105
The only that does is Owl and she's pushing it desu, no one else has an excuse, specially kronii since she fucking played games for hours off-stream all the time, I would be surprised if she's anything more than a NEET

>>13885358
I feel like Council was disillusioned super fast with trash management and getting their streams rejected left and right.

>>13885358
Feeling under the weather is a valid excuse
Taking a week off for x reason whether it's because someone died or something is a valid excuse
Having background work that needs to be done [Kronii is working on a song, btw] is a valid excuse
Going to the doctor/dentist and coming home feeling like shit because of something they prescribed is a valid excuse
Taking classes to improve your content is a valid excuse
Just taking the day off trying to think up what you're going to do that week is a valid excuse

Reminder that Cover only mandates you stream twice a week and they won't bother you about anything else, because they have that privileges after getting in. Reminder that even the JPs don't stream every fucking day like you're pretending they do.

So no, you can stop being a bitch about this.

>>13870579
>nijinigger
>esl
checks out

>>13880699
You know facts can lie. Hololive EN hardly has overlap, right now Ame has 2.7 K views. Between Calli and Kronii's streams. That'd put right in the median for the upper bounds of Selen or Pomu's streams. What'd happen if several Hololive members streamed at once?

No collab the lower end members are going to get about 2.5K views. The only reason Hololive's streams are as they currently are is because several outliers. Gura, Kronii, and Mori. Furthermore as tribals would put only the numbers that I want to talk about matter.

Nijisanji EN for fighting uphill against the algorithm has several members that have gotten MORE superchats then some Hololive EN members with several times more subscribers, live viewers, and video views.

Tell me, what numbers do you want to talk about?

>>13885583
They can do what they want and stream how little they like and I can still call them lazy, there's no particular reason to defend their actions on a taiwanese basket weaving board anon, they won't see neither of our posts

>>13884705
Nijis literally start streaming an hour after their normal job, keep doing funny mistakes, keep doing yabs they need to delete later and keep jumping into each other's stream having fun and banter.

Meanwhile HoloEN treats this like a fucking lab job where everything must be planned a month before and executed perfectly. And 90% of collabs are bare minimum.

>>13885751
There is also the fact that Nijis have much more streams and their streams are longer.

>>13884930
Hololive isn't some prestigious university or Top 500 company where you need to have a god-like resume to get in, Council just passed an audition and were given 200k+ free subs. There are literally 100s of vtubers barely scraping double digits who stream more and record more than Council does.

>>13885751
Yall vod views are trash.

>>13885751
>You know facts can lie.

>>13883529
>almost
>3k difference
The absolute state of nijifags

>>13885232
Is everyone else on a break?

>>13885751
>You know facts can lie
Nijinigger...

>>13886011
Removing context from a fact is deception. In a vacuum where Vtubers are numbers and nothing else, you could describe them using just numbers. In reality there is context you fags keep removing because those things make using numbers inconvenient.

Let's say, how do we average Hololive EN's numbers, while including missed streaming days or vacation? Or how about how do we average how Nijisanji EN would do at a similar level of viewers and subscribers?

>>13885751
>>13886307
>You know facts can lie
jesus christ. just go to the numbers thread
context only explains some numbers but wont magically make them better

>>13886253
Gura is sick, outside of that idk

>>13886253
Ina's working on the MV for her cover, Fauna is unwell and would probably feel bad joining after not streaming today (she's also scared to be around Mori with how she dropped her spaghetti last time), Kronii is streaming, >Ame joining, Sana may still have her member stream? Irys is recording, Bae is off this week. Kiara is sleeping. Gura may still be sick.

>>13886731
Mumei's also giga busy I with school I think.

>>13885776
The funny thing about this is that at least one of the NijiEN girls is also a full-time college student, two of them are basically full time wagies (though Pomu is quitting very soon), and many of them are working on behind the scenes stuff like voice packs and recordings. And despite all that, even the busiest girls there still manage to stream nearly every day.
The only NijiEN that has taken an extended break was Pomu, who still got on voice chat every couple of days. And when one of their pets suddenly and tragically died, that Niji only needed a couple of days before they were streaming regularly again.

In light of all of this, and how hard other EN vtubers work, I still can't understand why Council has taken so many more breaks, while only having been around for a shorter amount of time.

>>13887119
Because they can, they know they'll lose nothing and they'll be rich, Nijis can't afford to take breaks

>>13887119
I really don't understand why NijiEN management are forcing these girls to overwork. Don't they care about their livers at all. Pomu had already a breakdown not just once because she's getting overworked. I remember Lulu was it (?) that fainted live on stream because of overwork. I hope the staff would prioritize these girls' well-being like what HoloEN has been doing right now. Streaming without pressure I believe would definitely produce a far better content.

>>13887726
Are they forcing them though? Are you sure it's not just them trying hard?

tfw it would probably take a graduation stream for a NijiEN member to get more viewers than a Holo EN member

>>13887726
>Pomu had already a breakdown not just once because she's getting overworked.
That was because of her IRL office job. She had a big end-of-year project she had to work extra days, overtime, and weekends for, in addition to her streaming that week, so she was very stressed and tired.

The seeds for the destruction of Nijisanji have been planted. The game was rigged from the start. The western scene will not survive what is about to unfold.

It's absurd. It is ridiculous. It's a goddamn joke.
The only answer is that the Christmas miracle was an act of God. Everything has been set from the beginning to be a recreation of the last scene book of revelations.

>Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. . . .

>And the dragon, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur

Babylon, your hour has come. By next year Christmans there will be no stone left standing. He who has ears, let him hear. If you seek, you shall find. Descend to the underworld and seek the answers yourself, the past is the future. Save your souls or you will be cast into to abyss along with your dragon. You have been warned,

Screencap this.

>>13870613
/thread and OP is a faggot

>>13871356
>big return
>big
I mean, Ame is not the type of doing celebrations for this kind of shit. The only celebrations she did (solo obviously, collabs doesn't count) were new years eve and her birthday and those two are nearly 1 year ago

>>13887726
anon ignoring your lack of knowledge about the examples youre bringing up.
the girls are streaming at their own pace, if anything its the expectations from fans that are more likely to get them to stream more then management.
and pomu was being over worked at her IRL job.
also it was korone who fainted from overworking, and a bunch of the other holojp girls similarly have had health problems lately.
you are correct the management of holoen dont seem to be forcing them to stream.

however your point on without pressure is misguided, ill assume you mean unnecessary amounts of pressure but in case you mean 0 pressure, the lack of pressure in certain places causes stagnation, as shown by how the holoen girls didnt try as hard because they didnt have pressure to improve.
before nijien was anounced the myth girls basically were just riding the wave and they barely got close to eachother and would only really collab if it was scheduled which made collabs boring and showed a lack of group connection.
as soon as nijien appeared and started to do random collabs, holoen start to do it more often too, which is a good thing.