/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Chloe is still not monetized

if you're a genuine fan of this whore, why do you make these threads? do you want to have 5 different fanbases hate the guts of this whore's other fans? I genuinely can't find a single reason a real fan would be doing this unironically

>>14197549
The Council was a failure while holoX is the greatest gen in Hololive history, not a very fair fight.

>>14197647
I cannot wait for her to be monetized. I'm throwing everything at her. EVERYTHING.

>>14197549
This is what effort looks like. Remember Kronii lowered the days she stream until she was monetized.

>>14197549
Sana having dark skin, obviously.

>>14197677
Council easily mogged all of nijiEN though. Pretty successful at killing off any foothold anycolor had in the global market.

>>14197670
calm down

>>14197549
Council designs are shit they add nothing new to hololive EN as streamers either

>>14197677
They aren't miracle gen yet.

>>14197549
IRyS also got to 500k faster than Gura but she didn't continue to grow at that rate, this doesn't mean anything

>>14197670
If she upsets you so much why enter this thread? Are you retarded?

>>14197670
Oh nyoooo instead we could have 5 Kiara threads or 10 Gura threads.

>>14197670
It’s not even antis. It’s just trolls because everyone here will bite at weak bait.

>>14197549
I don't respect her as a chuuba, but I respect her as a businesswoman. She worked for those subs, even if it meant selling out and no one's gonna take that away from her

>>14197713
Their laziness is the reason NijiEN has been inclining lately.

>>14197549
Another Kemono Friends vtuber? Not as cute as Coyote

>>14197713
This has nothing to do with Nijisanji, please kill yourself so that they can no longer live rent free in your head.

>>14197713
I dont know if it did, they both seem to have relatively similar views sometimes. If they really wanted to kill Anykara they would've debuted Council around the same time as Lazulight.

>>14197856
Maybe we could just not spam the catalog with insincere garbage with three or four mildly divisive vtubers on rotation.

>>14197713
Do they? Are you including Irys?

>>14197833
>>14197856
if you want to unironically wank yourself because of this whore's "success" go back to your shitty split, don't ruin the catalog fags

Some actually people want diabetes-level fake cute.

Who knew?

>>14197975
Your english reps...

-Mumei's fanbase is composed of creepy redditor groomers and she's not interesting to people outside that faggy containment thread.
-Baelz is on break and ruined herself with random streams early on, loud retarded noises and wanting to randomly suck Roberu's cock.
-Kronii has massive depression for sympathy and only does like one member stream a week and then a collab, destroying her 'brand' in less than a month because she "couldn't take the popularity" because her entire identity is built around the idea she's a loser/loner and being forced to realize her problems are self-inflicted ruined her brain
-Sana has neither inclined nor declined, all her problems come from her shitty model
-I forgot the 5th one but that just demonstrates her problem

In the end the EN/western mentality of "you're a special girl with special needs" has basically ruined EN, coupled with nepotism and the nature of a high paying job like holonigger to attract total parasites. Western companies embrace the "my friend can do this job" horseshit, so you get hordes of retards working high paying jobs. The Japanese appear to be more likely to block "someone's friend" from joining and shitting everything up with laziness.

By comparison Holox aggressively wants to be popular, even Iroha the laziest holox is streaming every day and doing her besht.

>>14197713
Anykara's western brand has only existed for 6 months and on top of that their entire strategy revolves around 'waves and waves of vtubers' instead of once-a-year debuts like hololive. Anycolor's way of doing things simply isn't conducive to the "most holos have 5 figure live views" model, because there are simply too many Niji vtubers for that to be possible. Some nijis are even in the 2 figures because it's sink or swim and you get a phone. The flip side is that eventually they get a Mito or an Ibrahim that gets big views. Hololive 'takes better care' of their talents, as far as black companies go.

They weren't manipulative whores like Chloe. When you lack morals like Kizuna Ai, you'd do anything for numbers.

>>14197971
Learn to filter newfag

The point that sticks out to me is that Chloe is trying. And she's trying HARD. She's doing a ton of fucking streams, pandering to EOPs as well as JPs, and is basically making the most of her debut buff. I can't fault her for that. I respect that she's trying to get out there and while she probably won't be able to keep this up, it's nice to see that she's not just resting on the Hololive brand name. Even if she's not for you, I can respect the hustle. She's not taking anything for granted.

>>14197549
She will surpass Myth soon, so watch the fuck out.

>>14198014
>>14197549
Question, why does it matter if they have low views? Why does it matter if their fanbase is niche? Fauna enjoys being in hololive, baelz definitely enjoys her new job after what happened last time with the old gig
So fucking what if the next gen got the bigger sub counts, they're enjoying the new job while also paying the Bill's without trying to destroy themselves to get cash, I think that's a win in my book
>inb4 cope and seethe comments from self-loathing faggots

>>14197549
Yadaaa yadaaa

>>14197549
That's because of western whore. Look at this board, mainly mutts. And we have the same thread about her every days.
You are lazy as fuck, you make the same thing again and again to bait newfags, retards, or chads like me. You don't make anything new, your mentality is the same as western vtubers. And that's why they are fucking shitty, because you and these whores are from a lazy group of people known as western people.

>>14198133
I don't have to nor want to go through the extra effort because of fags like you, be better.

>>14198014
>all her problems come from her shitty model
Her personality, or her lack of, is a bigger problem.
All the others grew past the lore bullshit, only she stagnated.

>>14197971

>>14198287
Cope, seethe and dilate.
Just kidding, but stop to make sense, we are on /vt/ here.

>>14197549
Did any of Gen6 lose half their subs at least twice the week of their debut? Youtube bonked council pretty hard at the beginning.

>>14197735
I wouldn't say they contribute nothing, they brought some actual banter and spontaneity to overly polite holo EN that wouldn't even prank each other in minecraft. The issue is more with the effort, EN2 just feels like supporting squad while Myth still takes the grind on their shoulders. It's like they don't really know how they ended up in hololive or something, they take it slowly because the branch doesn't depend on them being active I guess hope they will figure it out eventually.

>>14198364
Oh so you are retarded, thanks for confirming.

>>14197549
In a couple weeks, La+ will also surpass them.
Next month, the rest of HoloX will probably surpass them as well.
The lazy whores deserve it. Council is a massive shitstain in Hololive.

>>14198364
>be better
Where the fuck do you think you are? May I recommend sites such as r*ddit for someone of your tastes?

>>14198014
Deliberately omitting the greatest gamer in EN. I see how it is.

>>14197815
Council is getting 1k a day, if that. It'll take another 2 months before HoloX drops anywhere near that.

>>14198505
If by greatest you mean most boring then yes, that anon omitted the greatest gamer in EN.

>>14197549
Too much hype, leaned too hard on the high concept, zero international appeal.

>>14198179
I feel the same and it's simply smart to work your ass off while absolutely fucking everyone is interested in you and use that momentum to generate as much interest as possible. She's been doing that for a week and it's already paying off immensly, she can do regular streams now and will have won on all accords.

>>14197670
chumbuds feeling threatened...

Council pretty much seem like Myth sidekicks.

>>14198014
The Japanese can be comically corrupt. Read up on Kakuei Tanaka and his faction in the LDP for just one infamous twentieth century example. Also obligatory YWNBJ. I don't give a shit if you like Chloe but don't turn an anime girl into an excuse to project your political fantasies onto a foreign country.

HoloX's legacy at this rate will be them being used as shitty bait for Council fans. They'd all hate this bullshit. OP is a faggot.

>>14197670
U mad dude

>>14197679

>>14197713
What about superchats?

>>14198287
The Holobronies' whole personality is built around "we are the best, because we have the highest numbers, haha you suck because your chubas have less numbers!" (add in the fact that most of them are 2020 bubble newfags who didn't know any other time than Holo being on top), so anything that threatens their narrative is going to be met with anger (or are we already at the bargaining stage, like you're going with your "lowered expectations" attempt "h-haha well w-what does it matter if they have low views?", it wouldn't matter so much if holobronies hadn't held their oh-so high views above everybody else previously).
This is especially pertinent for Council, which has quickly revealed itself to be a dud. Their whole debuff excuses nonwithstanding, people are waking up to the fact that they're simply not that just good as streamers (finally putting to rest the "Cover has the best scouting in the whole industry!" meme to rest, at least for the EN side of things) and get the reclining numbers they deserve after the debut honeymoon period wore off. Hell, these days even some NijiENs (first ridiculed as "haha you'll never reach HoloENs greatness!") are getting numbers as good or better than some HoloENs with increasing regularity - again, putting to rest the cope of "w-well interest in EN vtubers in the west is declining generally", no just interest in the underwhelming HoloEN offerings, the rest of the industry is stable or improving, at your expense.
At the same time, HoloX's explosive splash is similarly exposing and putting pressure on HoloEN narratives, showing that people are still interested in talents that actually give a shit and put in hard work.

>>14197886
NijiEN is growing at the same speed they always have. I'm glad they're doing well, don't use that continued success to spread bullshit rrats.

>>14198761
>Council fans.

>>14198811
That's a lot of text to essentially say you're a falseflagger larping as a Nijifan for (You)'s. Keep the console war bullshit on /v/, my guy.

>>14198407
They all got dinged too, Chloe would be over 600k easily without the Susaning, probably Laplus too.

>>14198811
Sounds about right. God, holos need a wakeup call so bad.

>>14198868
Yes. There are many of them, probably including you knowing how this board works.

>>14198951
They got dinged once as opposed to 4 seperate times like Council did. Hololive took countermeasures to lessen the purge this time, which is great for HoloX but sucks for Council.

>>14198287
There it is, that EN "why does it matter if I suck" mentality. You're not entitled to a job, leech.

>>14198761
There are no council fans like there are myth fans. People might like an individual member of the council, but finding someone who likes all five is harder to find than a stream where Ayame tries.

>>14197670
>if you're a genuine fan of this whore, why do you make these threads?
(You)s. The sweet sweet (You)s that OP so desperately craves.

>>14197549
It was one of the rare missteps that Cover had but IRyS killed a lot of the hype for Council. Not because she is bad obviously (IRyS is awesome) but she killed the "new shiny thing" hype. Just compare IRyS' sub growth at the beginning to what HoloX is getting, its very similar which makes sense since HoloX is the "new shiny thing" for JP fans. Soon HoloX will slow down just like IRyS did.

>>14199062
Don't hurt yourself with that reach, bro.

>>14199020
They got dinged twice a day for three consecutive days. What the absolute fuck are you even on about. If anything them doing debuts one by one every day helped them get past the worst of it. But hey definitely got hit repeatedly.

>>14199062
Why are you the one deciding who's deserving of their job or not, again?

>>14198760
>j-japan has failure too!
>look at this politician from 50 years ago!
>so this excuses us being aggressively failing!

Cope.

>>14198287
What a weak mindset.

>>14197670
better than gura threads

>>14199062
It's just healthy anon.

But go ahead, continue to suck the cocks of your japanese bugman overlords. Praise their work ethics and hive mentality!

Lets see if they continue to grow.
I'd say Council has a number of problems though.

One is timezones. Their main EN market is Australia since they're all in that west pacific timezone and stream in it.
Not an ideal scenario.

Second is that they have that whole weird lore shit. They've dropped it mostly by this point but its still a millstone about their necks.

Third is most of them are lacking that strong force of personality you need in this industry.
Actually lets focus on them individually here.

Mumei: Actually one of the standouts in the group. Her personality is generally gentle and soft but she has moments where that flips. She does best in collabs as she's not great on her own. Still her clumsiness, forgetfulness and weird habits get her a standout position among Council in terms of personality. But she is low energy, more someone to watch when wanting to chill.
Kronii: The definite winner of council. She's got a personality that vibes well with most of vtuber viewers in that she's a profoundly antisocial loner. Probably autistic.
Her voice has a certain hypnotic monotone quality. Also does best in collabs as on her own she will mostly ramble incoherently or do gamevoiceovers while doing autistic shit. Paired with Mumei you've basically got a great duo in terms of entertainment.
On her own she's someone to watch when you want to chill. Low energy. Noticing a pattern?
Fauna: Soft voice. Experience in a niche field of entertainment. Not really capable of emoting very well. Probably the least entertaining of the bunch. Someone to watch when chill. Low energy.
Bae: The only high energy member of the group which really makes her stand out. She's not bad and I feel a lot of the current hate comes from the high expectations dumped on her at the start. She's clearly pretty young and still not grown out of the whole "lol randum" phase. Despite that she loses in terms of chaos potential to Mumei of all people.
She's doing her best and while not amazing she's competent enough to be entertaining. Does best in collabs. Actually thats another pattern to notice, you ever see how many collabs Council does? They do a lot.

Now we come to Sana. People here LOVE to shit on Sana, its practically /vt/'s national sport.
But does Sana deserve it? Does she deserve the hate?
No.
Sanas biggest problem as a vtuber is a fairly simple one: she's a normal girl. A simple normal and nice girl. Now being nice is actually quite unusual and noteworthy with modern females but still it's not something that will make her stand out among the strong personalities present on the vtuber scene.
She's the sort of girl who if your son brought them home you'd tell him to put a ring on her finger and do it soon. She's a good, nice girl.
But that's all she's got. It's not enough to even make her stand out among Council and they're not the strongest of personalities themselves.

And finally their fourth big issue is the constant comparison to and competition with the massively successful Holomyth. Who are in general streaming in a much more advantageous collection of timezones and were basically a lightning in the bottle moment for Cover.

So has Council been a failure for Cover? I think no.
Council is clearly bringing in the dosh or they'd have started sidelining them by now. Not as much dosh as Myth but I don't think Cover wants another Myth.
The problem a company may have with Myth is that its difficult to replicate and they don't entirely understand WHY it worked. This isn't unusual in entertainment and is one of the reasons for the modern formulaic/homogeneous approach to entertainment. If you can understand why something works then you can reliably replicate it. It may not be as amazingly profitable as managing to find the lightning and bottle it, but it'll pay the bills and be something you can reliably scale.
So for Cover the mediocrity of Council could well represent a great success. They understand why Council worked as well as it did and now they can apply that to subsequent EN generations.

>>14198396
>stop to make sense

I can smell the fucking curry.

>>14199020
What were the countermeasures?

HoloX did lore right. The members are connected and share a similar theme but it's not overdone, it's just good enough to give a sense of inter-gen unity. Way better than the overly elaborate, overly epic shit that Council got.

>>14198351
>NOOOO YOU FUCKING WESTERNERS ON THIS WESTERN WEBSITE
>STOP INSULTING MY FAVORITE WESTERN CHOOBER BY CALLING HER LAZY, YOU'RE THE LAZY ONE YOU WESTERN PIGGU

Brown hands typed this post.

>>14199124
It was one wave across those three days. Council got dinged for well over a week after they debuted in multiple waves. It even became an "Oh no, it's happening again!" joke on this board at time.
>If anything them doing debuts one by one every day helped them get past the worst of it.
These are the countermeasures I was talking about, by spreading the debuts out, YT is less likely to treat subs as bots since they likely notice the Hololive-EN/HoloX in their names expecting it to onr person botting multiple accounts. This exact botting exploit had happened on the platform in the past, so an automated system was put in place to stop it.

>>14199198
You overlooked one thing about Sana. She's a wonderful straight woman for more chaotic girls. How she just jumped right in and bounced off Ollie in the pokemon call is just the most recent show of it.
If she did more with the rat or some other high energy girl she'd incline.
Her biggest strength is also her biggest weakness to. She's not just normal, she's relatively well adjusted and outwardly confident. She's not a broken girl the simps want to protecc.

>>14199107
JP might not have that problem as much since they have a huge pool of senpais to collab with, and the girls right now seem to have a lot drive.
That's not to say every Council girl lacks that, but like most debuts the girls at HoloX seem to have a lot of drive and really are trying to keep the debut flame going.

>>14198384
NTA but I won’t watch her because it feels like she’s hacking into the lizard part of my brain with some kind of digital love spell. This being /vt/ you have a bunch of folks who react very negatively to that experience. I don’t hate her and wish her all the best, but I can understand why some are frothing at the mouth… in both directions.

>>14198014
>The Japanese appear to be more likely to block "someone's friend" from joining and shitting everything up with laziness.
Literally most of the gen 2 and gen 3 are nepotism hires anon chama.

>>14199355
Yeah that straight woman part is a big strength. But then Council in general their main strength is collabs. They all do well in collabs even Fauna.
And yeah. Normal nice girl. I really hope that being a vtuber doesn't change that, it'd be a terrible shame to see such a nice girl turned bad by it.

>>14199193
Being a leech isn't healthy, you're a parasite and you're upset about being called on it.

>>The Japanese appear to be more likely to block "someone's friend" from joining and shitting everything up with laziness.
>Literally most of the gen 2 and gen 3 are nepotism hires anon chama.

>>14198014
>even Iroha the laziest holox
I will rape you...

>Being a leech isn't healthy, you're a parasite and you're upset about being called on it.

>>14199457
And it turns out that Japan is better at vetting "someone's friend" to prevent retards from joining and shitting things up, faggot chama.

>>14199524
That might be one of the weirdest posts to respond to a wojak with.

>>14197549
She’s fucking good at her job, which is making people happy and being cute.

>And it turns out that Japan is better at vetting "someone's friend" to prevent retards from joining and shitting things up, faggot chama.

>>14197549
JP has had a drought of over 16 months for some new faces. English speakers have had EN1, ID2 and Irys since then so there was less demand.

>>14197549
Cover still doesn't know what to do with Hololive English.
>understaffed branch neglected by Cover's main offices
>no content on the EN Group channel
>no english hologra series
>no 3D studio or concerts
>no live events
>no merchandising
>minimal promotion, relies on Hololive JP's growth to maintain awareness and visibility through association

>>14197549
None of them are particularly good entertainers or streamers.

>>14199676
>>no 3D studio or concerts
They're coming soon.

>>14199676
This is bait or youre just retarded.

>Cover still doesn't know what to do with Hololive English.
>>understaffed branch neglected by Cover's main offices
>>no content on the EN Group channel
>>no english hologra series
>>no 3D studio or concerts
>>no live events
>>no merchandising
>>minimal promotion, relies on Hololive JP's growth to maintain awareness and visibility through association

>>14199699
Not funded by Cover it seems

>>14199699
The studio won't come until myth is eligible for work visas or whatever, however many years from now when nobody cares about dying to covid. Concerts, though? Maybe Cover will do it for Mori but other than that lmao no.

>>14197713
Pomu shit on council in term of SC tho.

>>14199163
Imagine being so poisoned by your obsession with eceleb drama that you form your entire impression of a country around them.

>>14199769
Ame and crew have been working on it for a bit now, she just revealed it yesterday in stream.

>>14200022
I keep saying Ame should be an EN branch manager instead of one of the streaming talents.

>>14198014
Mostly correct except for
>The Japanese appear to be more likely to block "someone's friend" from joining
Korone exists. Granted she's at least 10x better than all of Council combined.

>>14199676
Half true.
In a general sense there is a failure to full capitalise on EN but at the same time there's an inability to capitalise on EN.

>No content on the EN Group channel
What exactly would they put there? Cover puts studio collabs and events on theirs. Along with the hologras.

>No English hologra series
That series relies on a number of factors to work:
1) The office has people capable of consistently writing the scripts
2) The office has people capable of doing all the 3D animation work for it (Doesn't Marine do a lot of 3D animation?)
3) A large cast. EN Hologra would have two gens and Irys to draw on. How much content could you really do with that?
4) The format is one commonly done in Japan as such there's a better populationwide understanding of how it functions.

>No 3D studio or concerts
Yes a problem. But Cover doesn't want to do what they can with who they have available and be seen to be playing favourites. So no EN 3D stuff until Myth have had their 3D debut. Once that happens expect Irys to be doing a LOT of 3D concerts.
Theres also the matter of geography with the EN girls very spread out over the world. Cover can't rent out locations near them and can't afford to set up offices abroad for it. Even if they only did one per country the girls were in that would be something like four or five offices. Not worth it.
They also can't go compromising on the quality of the 3D mocap setups as that would damage the brand and could be interpreted as favouritism.
And finally the coof.

>No live events
So far they've done panels and fan meetings at cons but thats about it.
Other events generally need 3D and we covered that.

>No merchandising.
Wrong.
They just don't advertise it or do as much as JP.

>Minimal promotion, etc
For the most part correct initially. But now Covers JP side is relying mainly on Myth to draw visibility internationally. Vtuber fans and those able to consume JP entertainment directly are likely highly aware of the JP gens.
But those who can only consume the EN media are mainly going to become aware of the rest of hololive via Myth/Council.

Overall I get the impression that Cover didn't expect it to blowup the way it did. Or for the world to blowup the way it did.
We can see how with Irys and Council they recruited a lot closer to home. Which is something I'd expect to see with any EN gen3. In fact wouldn't be shocked if they were all living in Japan.

Monetisation for the company is also a lot harder for the EN talents. We see in Japan that the JP girls are getting into variety shows and doing a lot of product advertising. These are big sources of revenue for Cover in their home market.
The advertising model in the english market meanwhile is a lot different. Companies generally want product placement rather than celebrity appearances in their own ads. So companies would be a lot more interested in the EN girls taking a moment in their stream to talk about this awesome new product from shillcorp or for them to have it present in their stream. Gamerfuel has done this with vtubers like Snuffy who has a Gfuel shaker displayed during some of her streams.
I get the feeling that Cover isn't as keen on such arrangements as it doesn't fit the advertising model they're used to and they feel it might damage their brand. Compared to say having the girls appear in an instant curry commercial thats played on TV.

>>14200176
>Korone exists. Granted she's at least 10x better than all of Council combined.
I'm sensing a little bias from someone who got introduced to VTubers through this dog.

>>14198505
Sana is unironically the best gamer in EN. No one watches her so they don't realise it yet. Ina is her only rival. Fauna and IRyS are solid, the rest are fucking terrible.

>>14200204
That's the thing though, Cover had three years of operating experience by the time Myth debuted. They aren't retarded, they have a solid strategy for Hololive JP and they absolutely have to know that the EN (mainly the anglosphere) market has its own rules and idiosyncrasies that won't allow the JP branch's strategy to be copied 1:1. But what DID Cover do? Basically nothing for an entire year. It's fair to blame covid for delaying 3D, but going an entire year before releasing another generation is kinda weird given Myth's insane growth right out of the gate. Council's underwhelming debut may even be partially because of allowing people to build unrealistic expectations for too long, and Myth were also clearly fatigued from carrying Hololive EN by themselves for a year. Getting Myth to the 3D studio won't "fix" EN.

>>14200204
I realised this while taking a shit as it reminded me that the USA is a thing.

Another reason Cover may not be doing 3D stuff and a lot of other shit with Myth is tax.
See three of the Myth members are US citizens and the USA is one of two global taxation nations on the planet. As in it levies taxes on its citizens no matter where in the world they are. Even income tax.
Meaning you'd not only need to jump through all the hoops of getting them work visas and managing their Japanese taxation but you'd also need to arrange management of their US tax obligations on the work they did in Japan.
This means its highly likely that Gura and Ame would LOSE money on a JP trip. And Cover may feel its unfair to demand anything from them on that basis alone (or perhaps even in violation of their contracts)
Now Calli is also a US citizen but she seems resigned to tank those tax losses to the ever hungry maw of Uncle Sam. Since she was able to leave the USA after her last trip to see her family its clear she's kept up on her US income tax obligations.

Now the management costs may be minimal since in theory the girls should have arranged professional accounting to help them with managing their tax obligations and minimising their tax exposure. The USA basically makes it mandatory.
But they'll still be paying two lots of income tax.

The USA is in general a taxation nightmare. Involving anyone from the USA in your company activities is a great way to open yourself up to a lot of unexpected taxation problems.
Personally I wouldn't be shocked if Cover did a EN gen hiring mainly from North America and it was all Canadians, it would be the smart move.

>>14200982
Yeah but as stated in an earlier post about Council.
Myth was lightning in a bottle. Companies generally don't want to keep pursuing that in the hopes of replicating it because its expensive and tends to produce a lot of failures.
They wanted to make something that could be repeated forever.
Also never underestimate peoples ability to make incorrect assumptions based on their life experiences.

>>14201053
Don't forget Coco is American too, they had to handle tax shit with her as well.

>>14201288
Coco is American?
Thats surprising.

>>14201053
Isn't council 2/5 canadian and 2/5 australian? So in essence Cover has already started avoiding the US.

>>14198124
Lacking morals/empathy is literally the number one trait needed to make it in this world. That's how it is on this bitch of an earth.

>>14201315
Yeah, she has dual citizenship.

>>14201339
Yeah they're all Canadian, Australian, Korean, etc.

Cover hired a better bot farm this time around, Council's was too obvious and YouTube kept deleting their subscribers.

>>14201358
Dual Japanese/US citizenship?
That's not a thing. Japanese citizenship is exclusionary, you have to renounce any other citizenship.

>>14201401
Yes, but it's not strictly enforced. She just didn't renounce it.

>>14201053
Not trying to defend the system (Quite the opposite) but everyone can pretty much get excluded from the income tax for up to 100k as long as you pay the local income tax.

Just wanted to add that for anyone interested in the topic.

>>14201436
As I recall they're fairly strict on it.
But then there may be allowances for US citizenship due to the huge number of American rape babies and kids of US troops.

>>14201389
Why is it so hard for you to just accept that Hololive is popular and gets a lot of people subbing by default whether they deserve it or not?

>>14197670
>I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'VE DONE THIS

>>14200204
nta, my thoughts on the bullet points:

>content on the EN Group channel
The EN group channel could at least host something that doesn't take a lot of effort but is pretty digestible, like a somewhat regular clip compilation (yes, I know >we hate clips here, but that doesn't matter for Cover who uses this instrument to maximize their norme mass outreach), either a weekly "here's the funniest shit that happened over the last few days", or a compilation around a a theme, or just meme shorts or whatever.
The other thing that Cover could do with the EN channel is to use it to host group collabs. Now, I know why that's neglected, first of all the EN talents probably prefer to have collabs on their own channels (so they can get a boost from it), second, the EN branch doesn't have an "A-chan" that can serve as moderator (hell, Omegay could've done it, but he preferred to stay a vtweeter instead of exposing his voice), and finally EN is pretty allergic to (big) group collabs in general, because they're a bitch to organize when you're scattered all across the world instead of being all basically in the same city area like JP is.
But yeah, if you said all these ideas are shit or unworkable for some reason or another, that kinda begs the question, what's the EN channels reason for existing in the first place if you can't/won't use it?

>No English hologra series
Yeah a weekly 3D show, fully scripted and choreographed, is probably unrealistic, at least for the relative future. But something lower-tech could be done, if they really wanted it - I'm thinking of those manga-panel style fan videos that basically take a hololive clip but draw some character chibis along with some limited animation. Umisea did something similar, but that was too soulless. Speaking of Umisea, to avoid the cringe of being written by an out-of-touch jap writer, the shorts should be written by the talents themselves. Maybe even a rotating writer (so one week it's a script by Gura, next week it's a script by Ame, and so on, to see the personality of each girl and what different scenarios they could come up with). You can also pre-produce them im bulk to ease the workload (so basically, record half a dozen 5min shorts in one week, but spread out their individual release over a few weeks, instead of producing each short individually every week anew).

the other points I agree or have no particular opinion either way.

>The advertising model in the english market meanwhile is a lot different. Companies generally want product placement rather than celebrity appearances in their own ads.
HoloJP has done "western style" product placement a few times. For example, Fubuki, Watame and Rushia had streams sponsored by Asus, where they play a game like normal (but on an Asus laptop) and then take 10-15 minutes at the start/middle/end of the stream to shill and give a mini-presentation about that totally awesome Asus laptop they just gamed on. Botan/Gen5 also did that Xbox Gamepass campaign a while back, similar format (play a game from there, and take a break to advertise the service), etc. Redbull also paid Aqua for not much more than "product placement" in normal game streams where she just had to use a Redbull stream-frame overlay, and talk about Redbull for a bit (she loves that swill anyway, so she's happy to). So yeah, they're at least dabbling in some "western style" promotional business, sure it's not the slick twitch streamer style who have dozens of different brand logos appear on stream and frequently tell you about NordVPN or whatever, but it's not just the usual classic japanese style campaigns either.

>>14197670
How new? I mean, for real, it's a constant that trolls always makes this threads for stirring drama kek. I just come here to enjoy the seething

>>14197670
>why do you make these threads.
because it gets easy (You)s from retards like you who have no idea of the concept of ignoring threads you don't want to participate or bump.

>>14197670
Why are Chumbuds like this?

>>14197679
She will never love you and she will never know you. She'll be taking your money while she's getting dicked by her boyfriend as a reward for getting your money.
She will not even give you a second thought as you are not Japanese and you never be Japanese.
Go outside, buy guns, and get some real friends.

>>14201597
that's far too long. i shan't read a gay word of it

>>14201053
lmao what
The US barely taxes its own citizens in relation to other developed countries. Are there really chuubafags with this much boomer Reaganite brain?

>>14198909
Too short didn't read

>>14201597
For some perspective, here is ALL the content released on the Hololive English channel since it was created 15 months ago.

>>14201597
>>14200204
I don't think shilling on stream is a good model for EN. No one likes it in prerecorded content to the point people have developed the sponsorblock add-on against it. You're only risking people tuning out of the stream because of an unskippable live shilling segment. Traditional product placement isn't as intrusive, but the holos, being 2D characters, work better as mascots who make appearances in product advertising instead of the other way around.

>>14201896
I can't believe I've been a sapling for three months already.

>>14201597
I think in terms of clips they don't want to step on the toes of actual clippers. They're a vital part of the ecosystem and poking it might make it unravel or cause clippers to stop clipping Myth.
The clipping scene ain't broke so why try to fix it?
They could indeed do group collabs but again they prefer to host those themselves.
Meme shorts? Could work but you'd need someone to animate them. Which Myth don't seem to have.

EnHologra. Honestly while your suggestions have merit I feel too many would wind up being bad. Dumping the scriptwriting on the girls probably wouldn't turn out well.
Gura relies too much on an instinctual understanding of comedy that works in the moment but not in planning.
Ame has attempted something like this with her commercials. They were eh.
The others I feel are sorely lacking in the skillset needed to pull it off.
Something like Hologra needs an actual writer at the helm. I'm not sure who Cover has writing the JP Hologra but they've clearly got it figured out.
As for animation we again fall into the trap of not having someone to hand capable of it. From what I understand a lot of the hologra animation is done by the people responsible for all of Covers other 3D assets and animations as a side project. EN has no such staff.

Is there a reason for the HoloEN channels to exist?
Not really aside from stopping other people claiming them.

Now the product placement. Yeah Cover has dabbled. But its pretty clear they're in uncharted waters in their view and they're unsure what is appropriate and what is not.
It helps that what they've done so far are in the "gamer" sphere which is heavily influenced already by western norms in terms of advertising even in Japan.
I also suspect they're not inclined so far to let EN get in on that action because they fear EN might turn out like western twitch streamers who as you mentioned are more heavily branded than a race car.
Once Cover has worked out what they consider appropriate and written up a set of rules for the EN management to follow, we might see them letting EN take on sponsorships and such.
Generally speaking in Japan theres a strict line between advertisement and entertainment. Whereas the west is currently being inundated with advertainment which is very much a US led phenomena. So it's about limiting that and getting somewhere they are comfortable being but is still enticing to western advertisers.

>>14202040
>but the holos, being 2D characters, work better as mascots who make appearances in product advertising

Exactly which is kind of the problem.
It's on par with celebrity appearance in ads which companies in the west don't like anymore.
They like to own the mascot or celebrity.

>>14198411
They do feel like sidekicks.

>>14197679
>EVERYTHING.
As in 100% of your assets?

>>14202153
Gura and Ina are both incredibly bad at pre-scripted voice acting. Ina's a bit worse.

>>14201896
That's ...pathetic, honestly. Either shut that shit down, or find something worthwile to populate that channel regularly. Again, they missed an opportunity in not having some sort of "english A-Chan" that could enliven the channel with some promotional/group activities, instead they wasted that for Omegatranny, the unlikeable self-insert of some producer who just tweets garbage and will never appear on stream himself.

>>14197647
Soon. Get your debts ready.

>>14202371
Oh god Ina.
Inas pre-scripted voice acting is ATROCIOUS. Girl could not emote even slightly.
I can only feel pity for the poor bastard directing the umisea shorts. Think about it.
THAT was the good take.

>>14202542
A-Chan was basically an accident/tech demo.
You can't duplicate something like that.
You had Enma for a bit but Enma was widely hated.

>>14202153

>I think in terms of clips they don't want to step on the toes of actual clippers. They're a vital part of the ecosystem and poking it might make it unravel or cause clippers to stop clipping Myth.
The clipping scene ain't broke so why try to fix it?

Clippers will always want to clip their favorites. I'm also not saying that the official EN channel should try to "compete" with clippers in either volume or variety. I'm only asking for one measly 10-15 min compilation once a week or something. The clipper fan-scene who's able to shit out HUNDREDS of clips each DAY will not be threatened by that, also fanclippers have their merit in being able to focus much more deeply on one girl or another (something the official channel can't do, as to avoid favoritism), so there will always be a market for them, and they will not be pushed away or quit just because HoloEN put out SOME clips of their own.

as for "EN hologra/skits", I think it would be worth at least giving it a shot, having each girl try their hand at scripting a few of them. If it turns out bad, they can always end it later if they don't enjoy it, but I think it's too defeatist to say "oh, because we assume they're probably not gonna be good at it, it's better that they just never try to start in the first place". How are you gonna get better if you never try in the first place? Maybe it'll turn out good and we have something to laugh, maybe it'll turn out bad and we have something to laugh for different reasons, either way there's little downside and not the end of the world if it may fail.
And well, anything the girls come up with themselves is at least guaranteed to be better than whatever gobblygook some jap-writer put out for Umisea, so it can't be worse. Even if it's "cringe" it's at least "SOVL cringe" because it has the personality of the girl scripting it imbued.

>As for animation we again fall into the trap of not having someone to hand capable of it. From what I understand a lot of the hologra animation is done by the people responsible for all of Covers other 3D assets and animations as a side project. EN has no such staff.
That's why I favor the less labor-intensive limited animation "manga style" at first. Basically something like this https://www.youtube.com/c/MochimikoEN or https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTxHnSngBiW0vc8QAg6lg0A . You really don't need much for it, no 3D model for example, basically just a few quick chibi drawings and some easy gif-tier "animation" (lip flaps etc.). The people they in-house could surely do something simple like this, or they could "commission" some of the artists like the aforementioned channels for that.

>>14202371
>>14202732

Wasn't it so much that they were "bad" at voice acting, but that they were given a shit scipt (again, reads like an out of touch jap who only knew the EN holos from superficial memes and their profile descriptions, clearly wasn't familiar with their actual stream personality), which was also clearly translated, so the style of humor and pacing doesn't suit them.
Also (I believe they talked about it, correct me if I'm wrong), they were given basically no direction/feedback of any kind, just had to send in their voice lines and no one worked with them (so apparently, whoever put that together on the jap-side just took it and went "yep, sounds good"...).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Ina is somehow a supertalented voice actress instead, but I have to acknowledge the circumstances and think she would do better with more support. Gura I thought did actually quite well, given the circumstances, and we know from her wider work she can do some voice acting. She said her lines with enough gusto and wasn't as flat as Ina. Sure, her lines were cringe, but again that's the writers fault, and the pacing was off, but that's on the editor.

>>14203203

I think in general that Cover just doesn't want to do anything to step on clippers toes.
They don't want to do anything that MIGHT be interpreted as competing or unfair on them.
Personally I think a "Clipper feature" arrangement might work well for them. So let a clipper advertise themselves and do a short compilation on the HoloEN channel. Do a different clipper every few weeks.
But you'd need more content on the channel to make that worthwhile.

And back to hologra. I think in general they know their talents limitations on this front and if they have them write scripts it could lead to accusations of favouritism if they go "We ain't using so and so's scripts cos she ain't funny"
Plus subpar product damages the brand.

And I doubt they want to spend money on holograEN. They certainly don't on the JP one.

>>14203504
Yeah I suspect Cover had JP staff doing all that work. Probably ones who couldn't speak any English.
But then any kind of multilingual content is always going to be difficult. You need someone who is fluent in both languages not in an academic sense but in how they're actually used.
Which funnily enough could work in Kiaras favour in the future if she makes the jump to management as so many seem to be expecting her to do.

>>14201764
>buy guns
t. amerifat consumer

>>14197549
Another vtuber dramafagging thread?

>>14197927
That's asking too much

>>14197549
Forget Council. Chloe still has 32 days to beat Guras record of getting 1 million subs. And Gura debuted before Youtube started taking away hundreds of thousands of subs from freshly debuted Holos.

>>14204214
How the hell do La+ and Chloe already have 1/3rd of the clips most of coucil has?

>>14197549
it's a shame she is not good at singing. she'd have a legit shot at gura with this start.

>>14197670
>Lui-nee!!! This guy is a faggot!

>>14197713
Look at the superchats. NijiEN is beating most of Myth now. Dead subs barely matter.

>>14198014
>rrat announces her return
>She's taking off the day after her return stream
Somehow they hired a bunch of girls that find the strain of streaming for a living to much for them.

I think there's a danger of when you are following up something successful, you get too carried away and believe your own hype.

So the council lore intro videos... overly complex, confusing chuuni B.S. that took itself way too seriously. As Kiara said, "Cool Story, Bro!"

Also massive 2 week gap between the first and second lore videos allowing the hype to die down. Compare that to "HoloX is here, debuting today! One every day!" Instant excitement and sustained hype.

Then the roles. The role of Civilisation was a bad idea. She'll never be able to do anything with it. Bae / Chaos was another weird choice. How can anyone be Chaos when Haachama exists?

Even IRyS had a divisive character design that looks totally out of place when she collabs with others and is way more complicated than it should be.

TL;DR
Keep it simple, stupid. At the end of the day, its some anime girls building stuff in minecraft. It's really not that deep. Council was too complex for its own good. None of them have the instant appeal of "Cute Shark Girl" and the subs show it. Chloe, however, does have that.

>>14198505
listen, Fauna has grown on me greatly, and i genuinely like watching her content now, but she's no where near the gamer Sana is. Frankly Sana might be the best gamer in hololive outside of certain specialized genres like fps or rhythm games.

>>14197713
Oh nyo!

>>14199934
Tf you saying? Kronii will surpass Pomu in a couple of streams. And how many months Pomu got ahead of the Council? Every Council will surpass Pomu in 3-4 months, within a month if every Council streams daily.

>>14202767
Enma was only "hated" on 4chan, where >we like to shit on everything, especially in that early phase when the organizational behind-the-scenes structure of EN was much more unclear so people latched onto the first identifiable "manager character" as a lightning rod for everything that they think is going wrong.
But that's just 4chan, who cares (Cover doesn't)
The wider normie masses on youtube/reddit/twitter loved the manager characters, they happily and uncritically make up lore and character artwork for them.

The whole "evolution" of EN managers itself is an interesting one.
At first, we pretty much didn't know anything, as nothing "official" or even indirect was given to us by the talents (probably because they were new and unsure how much bts stuff they are even allowed to talk about).
The first appearance of "Enma" was the L4D collab where someone from staff filled in as a fourth player. The audience went wild with this "new character", which at first was more like an amorphus undescribt amalgamation stand-in for all and any background person, but over time it differentiated out, as the girls became more open to talk about their ACTUAL personal managers, dropping bits and pieces of information here and there, where people put together the pieces, and gave them actual character artwork. So we got to know that Mori is actually managed by "Jchad", and Kiara/Ame/Gura were managed by "Jenma" (infos mostly dropped by Kiara, who had the closest connection with her, due to being in Japan at the time), apparently Ame and Gura have their own personal managers now. The one who spoke least about heir own manager is Ina, she tried to "claim Enma" (even made artwork), but wasn't Enma supposed to be a hollow catch-all character in the first place? Anyway, without going too deep into the "'Enma' never actually really existed in the first place, and was just a smokescreen character to distract from the fact that Ina is actually close to AO (her old chatmod, gee why doesn't he appear anymore, hmmm) who is actually OA, the branch director" theory, well there's probably a reason why Ina doesn't talk much about her manager.

As for "A-chan can't be duplicated", well the point is that Cover didn't even really try. They could have tried it - give the girls a defined manager character, who's ACTUALLY FEMALE (so she can actually appear on stream with them, instead of a dude hiding behind tweets), so she can do A-chan stuff like organize events, hype stuff up, do outreach, and serve as an MC for collabs etc.

Instead they didn't have a clear manager character at first, but the organic growth of talent-fan interaction that gave birth to characters like Jenma and Jchad who everybody loved showed that there was at least some interest and hunger for manager-characters in the fanbase. But Cover, or at least whoever is in charge of the EN branch, seems to have gotten the worse message from that. "Oh the people seem to like and have fun with these organic talent/fanmade manager characters, well WE'LL GIVE THEM an official manager character for our next Council gen right from the start!! Complete with LOOORE, everybody loves lore, amirite?? I, the producer of EN, humbly volunteer for this role, and have already prepared a model for my self insert character, and conveniently placed myself at the top of their cosmology! Oh shit, but I forgot, I am a male, so I can't really appear on stream. Well, no problem, I just do sassy bitch tweets from the sidelines, that's just as well good enough, right? And everybody will love me for it!" Cue this half assed shit that never really worked out anyway, and from the last looks of it, is quietly gonna be dropped anyway.
So yeah, if they tried to do any sort of "EN A-chan" with Omega, they failed hard, and I hope they recognize why, and simply do it right by doing what's proven to work, instead of trying to deviate from the formula: a FEMALE character, who actually APPEARS on stream, and is actually shown DOING helpful stuff for the talents. That's it, bing bong so simple, that's all that's needed (instead of some dude overcomplicating things with trying to force himself into it, but then also not really appearing at all), and the fans would eat it up.

>>14198014
>The Japanese appear to be more likely to block "someone's friend" from joining
>He doesnt know

>>14204482
Sure thing. NijiEN keeps going up. Council keeps sinking.

>>14204482
Half of NijiEN shits on everyone in HoloEN except for Kiara and Mori. Go take a look at last two months. HoloEN decline is crazy.

>>14204257
Double dipping from Japanese clips and translated clips there is much less EN to JP, only a handful of JP sub channels.

>>14198098
>Hololive 'takes better care' of their talents, as far as black companies go.
>Doog still at the vet
>Nene's recent bout with depression
>The mel situation that's been death to death
>Coco in general
>Numerous other things
Really nigga?
>>14199131
Because its the easiest fucking job in the entire world, hell its barely a job, the the vast majority of stream "work" is just gaining the initial momentum, which cover already does for them due to their brand power, fight for the numbers, start inclining, after that? Just show up, all you gotta do.

Its even easier than a 3D streamer, there's no pressure on your appearance cause the model does the work, and since you work for a corporation, they handle all the important shit like sponsorships, networking and the like.
The only ones that can lay claim to how tough it is are the ones actively doing shit offline, constantly putting music or other creative shit.

But streaming in general? FUCK no its not hard, these girls have no excuses.

>>14204482
EN is sinking like a rock. This week will help them a bit because TTRPG, Black Mesa and costume reveals. But if they can't keep the momentum Nijis will fuck them next week again.

>>14204777
It's true even with permissions it would take no effort to stream 2-3 hrs daily some random daily driver game. And as a NEET you have no excuse not to endurance stream. I guess since I had a slow chat and could always bounce off them it was easier perhaps having an unreadable chat is harder to maintain motivation.

>>14204257
They are thrice more interesting than all of council combined.

>>14201053
>This means its highly likely that Gura and Ame would LOSE money on a JP trip. And Cover may feel its unfair to demand anything from them on that basis alone (or perhaps even in violation of their contracts)

They've been very clear that a JP trip will happen as soon as Japan's covid regulations go away. Its the same reason why the ID 3D was delayed.

>>14204861
>Literally the fucking numbers Mason.

Go touch grass bro.

>>14204257
They are the best thing to happen to Hololive in years.

>>14203744
>Personally I think a "Clipper feature" arrangement might work well for them.
Many Hologirls have commissioned clippers in the past for special personal compilation videos, so there's precedent at least.

>And back to hologra. I think in general they know their talents limitations on this front and if they have them write scripts it could lead to accusations of favouritism if they go "We ain't using so and so's scripts cos she ain't funny"Plus subpar product damages the brand.
Again, that's why I think a rotation would work, so every girl gets a chance to script an episode, and the production is evened out. As for "subpar stuff damaging the brand", again, can't be worse than some of the soulless garbage the corporation itself shits out sometimes.

But anyways, I think we're running in circles. I try to come up with ideas and stuff they could put on their EN group channel to make it work and liven it up, you try to shoot these ideas down and only tell why they won't work. Let's meet in the middle and say that in conclusion to this exchange, if they aren't gonna do anything worthwile with the EN channel, it has basically no real reason to exist, other than a sad placeholder.
All the potential good stuff that could happen there (group collab events, clip compilations, skit shorts, etc.) will just go on the girls personal channels instead (so... basically same as usual, the company is next to useless, does very little promotional efforts, and the girls mostly have to do everything themselves on their own).
For example, I liked Ame's little selfmade pseudo-advertisements, or Kiara's garfield shitpost, so I'd be interested in more animated short skit content from the girls themselves, so I hope they'll do more of them. That's why I wish Cover would involve themselves a bit more and help them produce it, but yeah, thingscovershoulddofortheirtalents.txt is a meme for a reason...

>>14205022
It's okay being wrong bro.

>>14200982
>they have a solid strategy for Hololive JP
Anon... most of cover's so called straregy depends entirely on luck. Taiwan yabs should've killed them right there and then, AND they choose coco, a single talent that can be easily be replaced, abandoning their biggest market at the time. That's a very risky decisions and stupid for any corporate to pull, choosing a single employee over one of their biggest source of income. But welp, they lucked out, curry meshi was big success, Myth was a big success, every single holo inclined and JPcorpos starting to look their way, resulted on them filling the whole chinks left behind with local quality golds

>>14205248
The chinese market is overstated especially for Japanese companies, any spurning of the Chinese earns admiration of large swathes of the Japanese public and Cover knew this when they acted like they did.

>>14205248
China was a big market for like 5 girls. Only FBK and Aqua were getting about 50% of their $$$ from there. Overall it was like 20%.

>>14201597
Anon every content in ENmain is their own responsibility not cover's. It should be omega's job to make use of the main ch. But again if the girls are not up to it, he can do nothing about it.

>>14197549
Council who?

>>14197670
>chumpedo fearing the moment he's about to get a taste of his own medicine

>>14204777
>Because its the easiest fucking job in the entire world, hell its barely a job, the the vast majority of stream "work" is just gaining the initial momentum, which cover already does for them due to their brand power, fight for the numbers, start inclining, after that? Just show up, all you gotta do.
Spoken like someone who has never streamed before and doesn't understand how any of this works. It's what I come to expect from this board, really.

It is not and has not ever been that simple, especially if YT is chosen as your platform of choice. The algorithm is constantly in flux, so the fight to stay relevant is even more of an uphill battle than usual. Not to mention Council has had to deal with a significant loss of subs early on in their career destroying a lot of their early momentum (something explained earlier in this thread). Why do you think so many content creators have completely disappeared from your feed over the years? That shit can literally make or break you at any given timr. HoloX luckily didn't meet the same fate (at least not to the same extent) as Council, let's hope it stays that way.

>Its even easier than a 3D streamer, there's no pressure on your appearance cause the model does the work, and since you work for a corporation, they handle all the important shit like sponsorships, networking and the like.
The only ones that can lay claim to how tough it is are the ones actively doing shit offline, constantly putting music or other creative shit.
This is mostly correct, but networking is often just as much up to the girls as it is their managers, maybe moreso. We've heard about this many times with Ame having to comission people to make Myth or Treat herself, Kiara having to set up the giant Among Us collab, the fact that many artists musical or otherwise were contected by them for work on varioys projects, etc. Also, their appearance certainly doesn't matter as much as a real life streamer, but they can't just let themselves go either. I'm pretty sure you didn't mean it that way, it's jyst worth clarifying.

>>14197670
On the one hand I can tell already that Chloe's fans are going to be annoying numberfags.
On the other hand Chumspergs get what they deserve. Give em hell boys.

>>14205101
Cover is in general failing here I will agree.
While it does provide essential services it isn't acting fully to push their product.
Problem is a lot of what they do JP side is either a product of the girls themselves or synergy from people and resources all being centrally located and able to network internally.

EN is incredibly disjointed in general.
Realistically? Theres no way to really fix this as it stands. If they did what JP did earlier on and focus on hiring talent who could also provide other services internally such as art or 3D animation then they could get over this a bit.
Wouldn't be as efficient but would do a lot to close that capability gap.

I think in general Cover has decided no content is better than bad content.

>>14205704
Chloe will never surpass Gura in overall subs just because JOP but she will definately crush CCVs for a few months.

>>14205341
But it's still a huge source of income AND their biggest. That was a fact and their decision was a huge gamble (not to mentioned they basically made enemy with bilibili, which very ballsy i say).
>>14205446
Anon.. we are not talking about SC or donos... Azure Lane was their first massive success

>>14200204
>The format is one commonly done in Japan as such there's a better populationwide understanding of how it functions.

Is that what it is? Hologra makes me feel old, I never find them funny. Is it just the cultural norms in the format?

>>14205932
Bilibili was already maneuvering to fuck them over and compete with them to begin with, it WAS a huge source of their income in the context of cover being extremely tiny but Coco opened the door further for EOPs and you don't need a genius to get big success at products pandering to EOP weebs. I don't think they particularly thought it was a gamble the EOP crowd would have at least replaced the now relatively meager amount from China but of course it catapulted the company brackets up instead.

>>14205820
Dead subs don't count for shit ;)

>>14197549
She's the true apex predator.

>>14205932
The problem with the China market is its so fickle and unreliable.
Relying on it is a terrible idea. If you can gain access on favourable terms thats great but never rely on it and never assume you will retain that access.

>>14205960
It's basically an animated 4Koma.

>>14205483
Well then it's Omega's job to populate the main channel, if it's not for the girls.
If he were actually someone who could appear on stream (so basically... an actual female), he could do at least SOME of the A-chan lite stuff, like maybe a semi-regular review show, highlighting important stuff that happened lately or hyping upcoming events, shill some merch, whatever, just anything that justifies their existence and them being an official character with a model made.
Or hell, if that's too much effort, just DJ some lo-fi Holo music mixes, it works for A-chan.
But no, instead that spot is wasted on a fucking tweeter.

>>14206043
Prove those subs are dead because vod views already prove you wrong, and just go back to watching your butch flat Dyke

>>14206043
Certainly Chloe was punching at pekora/gura overall stream view level the first few days, but is already seeing honeymoon drop off mostly from EOPs now consuming clips. She will drop off and probably get consistent views on Pekora/Gura level in the middle of next year.

>>14198665
Just because she has baiting lonely fucks down to a science doesn't mean she's not great at it. I don't get mad at watching anime because it's "fake". I'm here to be entertained. Chloe is entertaining.

>>14205700
Whats the Youtube algorithm being fickle got to do with the fact Holos literally just have to pick good games and stream consistently to be successful? You're bending over backwards to make it aound more onerous than it is.

>>14201053
You're overestimating how much the US taxes its citizens

>>14198014
Sana's model isn't the problem. Is her retarded voice and how she sounds like she has 3L of saliva stored behind her tongue. Also it doesn't help that her streams are boring garbage.

She's unredeemable

>>14206522
Perhaps but I'm not underestimating how obsessed Uncle Sam is with getting those taxes. Or how byzantine its tax code is.
Or how well it keeps track of those it considers its citizens in regards to taxation.
Friend of mines mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth. He had never been to the USA and his mother had some time after his birth jumped through the hoops necessary to renounce US citizenship. Nor had his parents done anything to register his birth with the US government.
However unknown to him the US government had decided he was a citizen and that he would be taxed.
He was unaware of this until he went on holiday to the USA in his thirties, when he attempted to leave after said holiday he was arrested for tax evasion at the airport.

It took a lot of effort and help from the UK embassy to sort that mess out.
He was able to dodge the tax bill but was still required to go through the long process of renouncing US citizenship, pay the fine for doing so and is now banned from the USA for life.

>>14201504
They're only strict if you apply for Japanese citizenship, but if you got it at birth then you only have to choose once you reach a certain age, and nobody is checking to make sure people actually do.

>>14206148
The problem with the chinese market is that there is no chinese market. As a foreign company you don't just set up shop, you have to partner with some chinese company who takes all the profits while you get fucked up the ass by CCP bureucracy.

>>14206803
The myth girls can afford to hire a competent accountant that can basically wiggle down the taxes from a "oh that sounds scary on paper"-level to a much more reasonable "actually, no one really pays those rates, if they just know (or know someone who knows) the loopholes and how to game the system properly"-level.

And each girl should have an accountant on hand already, as they have been earning quite a lot for quite some time by now, and it would be just irresponsible and a huge self-inflicted error (so my sympathies would be very little in this case) if they didn't take care of it.
Not just for tax optimization reasons, but for financial security in general, planning for life-after-Hololive with a sound investment structure, so you don't end up like those stereotypical dumb lottery winners who manage to squander a large one-time windfall that could've set them up for life in a mere years and end up broke again.

How long before the holo vtubing era falls down?

I'm pretty sure that anyone who cares about vutbers are already on the bandwagon, and theres only a finite number of audience that can be reached

With each new gen of holos, the numbers look impressive but surely they are just double dipping with the subs/audience at this point and it'll just get less and less

>>14207265
i think its still got a while to go, the downfall of hololive won't be the end

>>14207265
I think the big boom may die down but vtubers in general will be with us forever.
There's been a lot of interest from companies in the idea of "virtual celebrities" with the idea being thrown around and attempted since the 90s.
Square had the idea of making "virtual actors" who would appear in multiple movies and compete with living actors. The first final fantasy movie (spirits within) was meant to jumpstart the idea but it fell flat.
Virtual idols have been a thing for a long time.

The hope of it all being to divorce entertainment from talent and allow a brand to live past the talent.
Make them replaceable even.

>>14201799
>shan't read a gay word of it
why did I laugh

>>14207265
We're seeing signs of it happening. People are just moving to NijiEN, small corpos and indies now just because they dare to try new and different things and make fun interesting content (like pekora said make interesting content and they will come) We're seeing the vtuber community outside of hololive starting to reach into the mainstream streaming audience and breaking through in converting normal people who never cared about vtubers before into vtuber fans. Look at Selen collabing with many popular streamers that arent vtubers themselves. If we're looking at numbers, the vtuber community outside Hololive is steadily growing and expanding and gaining newer and newer audiences while HoloEN is just stagnating at the moment. HoloEN tends to pander to the weeb/anime audience and their content is extremely safe so it's no surprise that they're extremely maxxed out and saturated in terms of potential new audiences to gain at the moment.

I think by the time HoloEN course corrects, it'll be too late at that point as everyone else moves on without them.

>>14198287
what happened with baelz? thankfully I don't spend much time in this shithole anymore so I'm not too familiar with the latest rrats

>>14208240
Bae killed a man.

>>14207265
I used to be a Teamate and a Chumbud, but I haven't watched any Hololive content since August or September

Most of Myth just seemed to be burnt out or run flat after a certain point and Council didn't really catch me

If Cover were smarter, they'd have been paying indogs to clip their talents like Niji do with their arms length talent dedicated clipper channels from day one and using the brand channel to push headline events and clips.

While Niji might be so-so compared to Hololive, it does consistent numbers which is more important long term. As seen with council and Myth, the slide in viewers, even if starting and ending at a high place creates uncertainty (including on a financial level) which can have direct and indirect ramifications, whilst pushing their talents into a negative popularity spiral on a site that is driven BY algorithmic feedback.

Something to remember on a cultural level is that once things become uncool or irrelevant, they're rebelled against or treated as passe, which makes longer term prospects tougher too.

At least currently what sustains Holo EN is reputation, not innovation and that's dangerous because reputation is a finite currency

>>14208240
Bae raped Pekora

>>14206380
>Whats the Youtube algorithm being fickle got to do with the fact Holos literally just have to pick good games and stream consistently to be successful?
Anon, I explained the algorithm did a number on them following the sub purge. Pay attention.

This your Oshi bros? This psychopath?

>>14212824
If that was a regular occurrence they would have gone the way of the wolves long ago.

>>14197549
Jap good Western bad, simple as

>>14212890
It actually is.
People just don't run into them very often

>>14209434
Current week looks the strongest in a long while but yeah in general HoloEN declined hard. I barely watch them anymore.

>>14212824
Dumb human getting what the fucking deserve

>>14213051
There is not one confirmed fatality by a wild orca.

>>14213123
Whats this?
Money?

>>14213192
Yeah.

>>14213189
Yeah, a captive like Chloe is gonna rag doll you around.

>>14204443
I know she's great at pokemon but which else?

Plot Twist: Everyone in this thread's oshi sucks dick and is hard carried by the brand name. And it shows because they had the same "talents" in their PL and no viewership

>>14206690
she also filtered a primarily male audience with the horoscope/astrology bullshit.

>>14197549
the fact that you're a numberfag.

>>14197549
Susan nerfed Council a lot harder than she nerfed holoX

>>14206690
Racist fuck

>>14200371
not that anon but I got introduced through Rushia clips in like Feb of last year and I can definitively say that Koone is 20x better than all of Council combined and it's not even close

>>14197549
I'm so fucking proud of her. Bless this orca.

>>14209434
I'm glad you fell off
one less chumnigger and teacuck is a blessing for this board

>>14204405
This

>>14215609
Yeah don't worry in a week or two once HoloX has hit their growth wall you'll start seeing them bringing up these talking points they called copes.

>>14209434
Slow and steady schizo stop pretending to be a Hololive fan thats pretty pathetic even for you.

>>14207814
The thing is, HoloEN could course correct right now, and start embracing the wider EN vtuber community as a whole. But it's probably for the best that they just continue to stay out of it, so that the rest of the community can continue to grow organically.

>>14197549
Talent vs talentless
as expected of JPs scouting team!

>>14197549
When another JP vtuber starts speaking English the EOPs will migrate once again. As it has been done since time immemorial.

>>14208240
She losing viewers cause her voice keep filtering people and she putting less and less effort with each stream...god her last collab with Reine was so bad even vod views prove my point

>>14217919
ESLchama...

>>14197670
It's like those crazy sports fans.

>>14215609
Because HoloX manager is smart and asked them to make some Shorts, unlike stupid Council.

>>14204446
Which website is this one?

>>14205101
>>14205795
god damn.. an actual, nuanced discussion about chuubas... on /vt/...
thanks for the surprise anons

How the fuck did this happen? Is it simply because this is the first JP gen to premier since HoloEN started, therefore getting a bunch of non-Japanese subs?

>>14207265
on the EN side? probably soon, considering what the response to council was like.
On the JP side (and maybe ID)? Hell naw, there's still so much potential for growth.

>>14221780
JP just has the actual reputation of getting top tier talent and they were, there's no secret

>>14221780
New hotness. So everyone's rushing over

>>14221780
A mix of the JP old guard and the new EN tagalongs. Not surprising for subs, live viewership is where the proof is.