/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Numberfags

They only fuck me once a day each

>>14357384
No competition, then Holox happened

>>14357384
too many chinks

>>14357384
I guess we're not getting gen 3

>>14357384
It's a gen full of supporting cast members with no leads. Mumei could be the standout if she were a full-time streamer but that's not the case right now.

>>14357587
whos the lead for en bro. this question usually gets many different answers but i suppose thats better than nothing

>>14357587
>>14357816
EN has no "leading role" since most of myth appeals to separate audiences and council appeals to people looking to fill time when myth isn't streaming

>>14357816
Ame

>>14357816
Unironically Kiara. She is the one holding everyone to a certain standard.

>>14357942
Yeah I can buy that, as much as /vt/ went full "orange woman bad" for a while her number have never been bad (so far) and for a while was the one who did most of the collabs.

>>14357384
Nothing, unless you're a numberfag

>>14358182
There have also been points where she’s realized there were no scheduled EN streams for a day and decided to guerilla stream just so EN viewers can have something.
I understand her personality can be off putting, but she takes the job seriously. More than anyone else in EN.

You being born.

>>14358397
So a regular /vt/ poster?

>>14358182
She still does most of the collabs for EN outside of special circumstances(the VR stuff mainly.)
>>14358480
Kiara even prepares videos for auto upload when she takes planned breaks.

>>14357384
Not a lot of really strong talent to pick in the western sphere, at least not when it comes to being a holo vtuber.
Kinda "eh" gen all around especially compared to the recent holox which shows just how many insane talents are left in Japan.

>>14357573
They’re making ID gen 3. They’ll make EN gen 3. They maybe shouldn’t though.

>>14357384
Only Fauna and Sana are not in because of the money

NijiEN got the better chuubas

They don't really work well as a group. Kronii should have taken a more commanding lead over the others, since 3 are pretty much submissive airheads and the rat is a tryhard spaz. Might have been more watchable if Kronii played the straight man while the others fucked around and frustrated her. Essentially, that's what HoloX did

>>14359142
Weeb

>thing
>it’s shit
>thing japan
>wow it’s awesome

>>14358480
Her hours streamed (from numbers thread) definitely reflect this. She's leagues ahead of the rest of her peers in myth and naturally council (since they started partway through the year).

I don't watch her much but she holds down the fort.

For Council, once Mumei is done with school and can stream more she'll probably leave everyone in the dust unless Kronii takes her meds, Bae gets something viral, or Fauna inclines somehow (she's already the gamer of the gen and such but being ASMRist means she'll probably always thrive on VOD views even though i think her live stuff is some of the best in EN)

Sana is fine, even if she's Aki tier with numbers, she has some super devoted fans, and she's having fun. I enjoy watching her.

>>14359736
Council is objectively composed of worse talent than holox, yes.
One holox is better than all of Council combined even, especially Koyori, La+ or Chloe.

Considering the talent that much smaller companies have gotten since holoen2. I have no idea what cover was think with these choices. .

Took too long to build the LARP lore that flopped and a lot of the good EN talent went to either NijiEN, Cyberlive, Prism, Kawaii or even Phase with the trash bear.

>>14357384
They couldn't recapture what made HoloMyth good. It's like comparing Disney's version of Star Wars to everything before it.

>>14359961
Exactly, they got outmaneuvered by their competitors because they waited too long between gens. Omega being a retard probably didn't help much either.

>>14360051
>>14359961
People that say this always end up outing themselves as people who think Selen is good
She isn't and no one wants her in hololive.
Enna would be ok.

"EN talent pool is all dried up", and other lies Holofags tell themselves to justify this awful gen.

>>14360530
Ethyria suffered the same as council, they only got Nina

>>14360572
>only
Nina is by far the worst in that gen, she's an absolute mistake and no one should have ever hired her
She spits on this hobby and its fans

>>14357942
True. If she ever leaves Hololive it means that things are unsalvageable.

>>14360708
Nah, Nina is good.

>>14359558
Hell no. Lui was a former management person. She has experience. Kronii, on the other hand, is lazy, incompetent, and at least mildly mentally ill. If anyone in Council has to be leader, then it has to be either Bae or Fauna. Bae at least has the ambition and drive, even if she doesn't want the responsibility. Fauna is just straight-up way smarter than the other 4, but she's too deferential. Kronii can be the straight man, but not the leader.

>>14360708
Has she done another Russian Only Stream since the incident? Remember that shitshow?

>>14359786
Yeah, I agree that Mumei is probably the strongest member of Council once she’s done with college. I expected Bae to do better based on some of her initial encounters with the JP branch but she’s really underperformed so far.

>>14360866
Kronii would be the La+ to Fauna's Lui. While Kronii is the leader in name and attitude, it's Fauna who is keeping everything running

>>14357816
Gura, obviously.

>>14361168
only thing Bae has going for her is being fluent in Jap so she can leech off JP members

>>14357816
Ame is the project leader and Kiara is the social leader

>>14361243
Being fluent in JP can give her an edge when it comes to collab opportunities. Her design is basically an upgrade of Ollie too.

>>14357384
>ASMR girl who does shit ASMR
>nepotism hire artist who barely draws
>failed to live up to her role
>hates streaming
>just there
>Omega won't let them do anything interesting

>>14361469
and what are your opinions of Council?

>>14360866
>Fauna is just straight-up way smarter than the other 4

Fauna is like your cool hippie friend from college except she's also your mom.

>>14361456
all its afforded her so far is a collab with Mel

>>14361627
That’s true. I don’t know if the JP girls aren’t willing to collab with her or if omegatranny is stifling Bae’s chances. It seems like it would be obvious to have Bae act as a bridge between the branches like Kiara (and to a lesser extent IRyS) does.

>>14359201
Isn't Sana related to Ina?

>>14361813
They’re both Korean but that doesn’t mean they’re related

>>14361850
Sana is australian though? The bogan accent is extremely noticeable.
Didn't you mean Kronii, the one that actually speaks korean?

>>14361875
I thought both Sana and Kronii are Korean and Bae is chink.

>>14361627
Mio, Polka, Pekora, Miko just ceased to exist I guess

>>14362030
if you listen closely you may be able to pick up the faintest of aussie accents

>>14361294
Well said, I think you’re 100% right

>>14361810
I don't think there are actually that many JPs that know absolutely no english to the point they would require a translator. and most of EN know some basic japanese, or at least enough to fake it through a 2 hour stream. Ame managed a collab with Roboco and Gura managed some with Shion. Otherwise they could throw Bae in as a translator, but with most 3 person collabs, they seem to use ID mems as the bridge, making Bae all the more like a redundant Ollie

>>14357384
>boyfriend and bad asmr
>black and australian
>boring
>boring
>boyfriend and boring

>>14362043
yeah, they all moved in with me

>>14362124
Sana isn’t black

>>14362052
Retardchama, if Sana is second generation Aussie, she can have the accent while still having Korean parents.

>>14362217
her model looks black to me which is design debuff

>>14357384
>Gather casual viewers who don't have a main oshi
>Debut new talents
>Casual viewers find a main oshi in one of the new girls (old viewers usually don't change oshi)
>Repeat

After 1 year of gathering casual viewers, IRyS debuted with great success. Just one month later 5 new girls debut with not enough time to gather new viewers. Everyone is already on the IRyS bandwagon and no one care about council.

HoloX did things properly with 1 year between them and gen 5.

>>14362315
That's literally gyaru, anon.

>>14357384
shitty lores

>>14361813
They've been friends for many years through art stuff

>>14360708
>>14361027
>/pol/ and Cocofags still seething over Nina.
/pol/'s predictions were wrong again, and Cocofags should be grateful Nina gave her free advertisement.

>>14357384
Your mother not aborting.

>>14357384
Holo CouNcil: 40% Chinese
https://files.catbox.moe/wujlpv.mp4

Council is fine, you fags just can't resist remaking this same thread every single day.

They literally don't stream.

>>14357454
Their job is to draw an audience. Kronii in particular is egregious because where the others are just kind of uninteresting or retarded, Kronii actively tanked her massive fanbase by choosing not to stream, likely deliberately because of her menhera fear of being popular.

>>14360572
Ethyria is inclining hard. They only struggled at the beginning.

>>14365291
A big portion of her fanbase was retarded, good thing that she shook them off

A severe lack of cunny.

>>14357384
Models ended up a bit bland. They found nice new niches to fill though. Not much overlap with EN1.

>>14357384
>What went wrong
>a big tit deadfish with VA skills that she beats like a dead horse, and literally nothing else.
>sana, who doesnt even draw on stream because Ina doesnt want to lose her niche
>mumei, who sings like a negress for some reason
>average as fuck ASMRtist (if you can even call that a talent)
>ollie clone
>quite literally 1 sense of humour, shared between all 5 of them, and 0 personality from all of them.

en1 has way more fuckin talent.
>gura- born entertainer and unmatched at improv, wonderful singer. voice is naturally asmr
>Ina, can draw, also natural asmr
>Ame, equally entertaing as gura and actually funny regularly, makes up for lack of talent, with immense creativity in making fun streams
>Kiara, can draw, can sing, unbelievably extroverted , stamina as fuck can stream for entire lengths of a day, and is the most productive
>Calli, equally talented as Kiara, but produces music that is not actually bad
>personalities are unbelievably colorful and mixed, its a miracle they get along so well. Truly a motley crew, their presence and group image is iconic.

>>14365674
Copypasta

>>14365488
sure, grandma, let's get you those meds.

>>14361027
Spoonfeed me, Anon

>>14357384
Boring and they all have boyfriends/ or are homo whores

>>14357384
You expectations.

>>14362471
IRyS streamed for like 3-5k people (i actually watched her often) for the first few months. Only minecraft and karaoke were buffing her, like with everyone else. I dont think that "everyone was already on the IRyS bandwagon".

>>14357384
NijiEN took all the talents. Except Petra.

>>14357384
Omegatranny nigger faggot hyping up the lore way too much. I'm convinced that all of those "HOLOEN GEN 1 VS. GEN 2" lore feuds was Omega trying to drum up hype by trying to start a feud between the two generations.

Then Omega tries to take some of the spotlight away from the EN2 streamers with his own character and posting random shit on Twitter.

Other issues: Sana and Bae having Australian internet, which caused massive issues during the council group sessions after they debuted. Also, the social and political unrest that is happening in Australia might have affected them personally, but I doubt that.

Fauna mainly being an ASMR streamer who doesn't collab, even though she doesn't do good ASMR. Also, ASMR isn't that much of a draw for Hololive.

Mumei still being in college.

Kronii having mental health issues and not taking the lead as the star of EN2 doesn't help as well.

It just seems that EN2 was a disaster

>>14359558
>They don't really work well as a group.
Yeah. I don't think they have any good chemistry. The only one who tried to do stuff with others was Bae, but the others weren't cooperating.

>>14361469
>Omega won't let them do anything interesting
This as well. He's trying to control them and the lore too much.

>>14365291
>They literally don't stream.
Didn't Sana refuse to stream after debuting, because she was upset her dog died or something?

>>14362296
>anonchamma fell for the korean nepotism rrat

>>14357384
Were pitched as being superior lorewise to Myth, which caused tribalism and in those cases, people are gonna continue supporting the underdog which they've already established a rapport with.

>>14357384
Did you guys forget to take your pills today? Jesus Christ.

Council is going on a completely normal path. The only outlier here bing Sana because her model sucks and she took a break at a bad time.

I’ve watched every Council member stream. They all have fun personalities and make good content that pull decent members, they’re just fairly new. It’s like you guys forget early Myth days or something. It took nearly a year for Myth to come out of their Shell.

>>14367599
Then why Holox bigger number? They just start out too.

>>14365856
See you next month.

>>14367599
They literally lost 2/3 of their SC revenue and about 50% of their live views.

>>14367599
ogey councildefender

>>14367702
Japan.

Next question.

>>14357384
Do we need to have this same thread every fucking day?

>>14368442
Bandwagoners gonna bandwagon.

You all should have seen this coming from the start. Anytime a new gen comes around, a large chunk of the early viewers are people who are just excited for the shiny new toy, and will jump to the next shiny toy they can get their hands on or craw back to their old Oshi.

>>14368385
You do realize that everyone's Superchats dropped because Christmas is coming up, right? People are saving their money for family.

>>14369471
Council is by far the worst case though, gen 5 stabilized at 6k-10k and all of myth aside from kiara stabilized in the 8k-10k range after a few months and kiara is still way ahead of the worst performer in council, you're just looking the other way if you think there isn't a problem with council

>>14359969
based prequel chad

>>14369588
You only need to look at Playboard from last Christmas to find out that's not something that happens.

>>14368385
Did you really make this spread sheet just to post here? So much effort and dedication to numberfag!

>>14370614
Last year was a major exception in every sense of the term due to COVID, and Vtubers were the new hotness in the West even among normalfags. Not only that, but we weren't at a point to where Western vtubers are now a dime a dozen, back then you really had to go out of your way to look for one that even spoke proper English.
Now though, you have a lot of indies and companies to choose from. And Cover itself made the worst possible choice of taking its foot off the petal, they took too goddamn long to make a second wave and EN was very clearly not as supported as the JPs were in terms of merch despite having the upper hand for the longest time.

>>14370614
You can't look back farther than 180 days on Playboard as far as I'm aware. Can you link it?

>>14366947
Sana didn't stream for a month because of said dog, supposedly. It was just put in perspective when Rushia's cat and she kept on streaming, she did break down a week later, she apologized, came clean and kept on streaming.
Heck even the chronically depressed Shion didn't take a month break because of her cat.

>>14359142
>>14359242
>>14357384
Talent pool god disrupted by not only Niji, but Prism, Tsunderia, Phase connect and more all scrounging at the same time.

>>14357384
Nothing, if you aren't a numberfag like >>14365291 They aren't expected to draw in large viewerships. Because if that were the case then Aki or Roboco would've been shown the door. Yet, these braindead fags think that their brainrot means something.

>>14360572
Millie is kino and Enna is a better singer than anyone in Council, that's for sure.

>>14371399
Aki and Roboco are some of the oldest holos and back when nothing was expected from you, also funny you mention Aki considering Sana is gonna be in her exact same situation within a few months

>>14371488
That does not address the point. Hololive does include any targets for their talents. The fixation on numbers is exclusive to a few areas.

>>14371606
Yeah it's exclusive for the people that got 100k viewers on their debut for free and joined hololive exclusively for clout, not that there's anything wrong with it, but there's a difference between council who takes it for granted and then you have holoX who actually makes use of the clout and work hard to get even more

>>14371722
> there's a difference between council who takes it for granted and then you have holoX who actually makes use of the clout and work hard to get even more
The difference is only your interpretation of both parties, or in this case the faggots you're parroting for the thousandth time.

>>14371957
Post any council's week 1 schedule and then post any of Gen 6's week 1 schedule, this isn't a discussion about subjective quality, every Gen 6 straight up works more than council's hardest worker

>>14371722
Not every streamer likes a large number. The larger anime fandom Vtuber appeal has a lot of barely sociable individuals. In fact, low numbers occasionally are probably better for their mental, physical wellbeing.

>>14372045
My point is why does the amount of time streaming automatically equate to taking shit for granted in your eyes? That's a substantial leap in logic especially considering that Hololive's EN branch is nowhere near the size of the JP branch, nor do they have the same amount of pull.

Lmao at anyone who thought council had any promise beyond the first 2 weeks. They're just shit.

>>14372268
See you next stream.

>>14372202
>My point is why does the amount of time streaming automatically equate to taking shit for granted in your eyes?
Because they're not fucking working for it even though they got a golden ticket, only baelz has been putting the effort from the beginning. Do you think cover is a charity and hired these girls just so they can get money? Hired a whole gen so they can coast off of their success? Their purpose is to bring new people, I don't see how they're gonna get it by doing bare minimum. And as for your point of EN not being JP, that's even worse, JP has to do A LOT more than just stream, EN ONLY needs to stream, it's embarassing that HoloX is doing triple their hours while also needing to do other activities that JP does

>>14372268
kek
HoloX first week be like
>All of their covers song passed 1M views
>Passed Sana subs + one of them passed Kronii

>>14372389
So everything really comes back to hours for you, and you equate everything they do as being the bare minimum despite none of us knowing what actually goes on behind the scenes? Seems unnecessarily cynical to assume the worst of them, but if that's how you want to look at it I can't stop you. You've already made up your mind.

>>14371034
They can't, because it doesn't exist.

>>14372771
>and you equate everything they do as being the bare minimum despite none of us knowing what actually goes on behind the scenes?
Let's say they DO have something going on behind the scenes, it's still fucking nothing compared to what JP does. Hell, it's fucking compared to what Myth does, and we do know what goes on behind the scenes, you don't know because either you don't watch streams or you want to ignore it because it would make council look bad. Also keep in mind this is a job that will set them for life, well aside from sana since she was already set, which is why she didn't care about taking a month off the most important time for a streamer

>>14373021
What numberfags are so desperate to get number is everything. Someone with raped you you live is so miserable, you arealone without your parentes numbers. Maybe you shou,should, kill yourself already, doesn't master What the other said your life is miserable. So pls kill yourself already.

>posts an opinion, brings up numbers to support
>why are you angry??? ugh always bringing up evidence

>>14373021
>Numberfags = trannies of vtubers
That you right now. Maybe we should cLl you numbertranny from now on

>>14357384

>>14357384
why would I ever watch a girl I knew had a boyfriend?

>>14373246
>>14373314
This almost feels like a falseflag

>>14373313
>Opinion from numbertrannies: I need number in my life, why she won't give numbers I should kill myself already
Evidence: numbers numbers and just numbers
Truly numberfags are the trannies of vt/

>>14373313
Who the fuck are you quoting?

why is numberfagging even a thing
do these people even watch streams?
and if they love numbers so bad then why arent they watching actual successful streamers like mr beast or something

>>14373313
Numbers aren't evidence when popularity is based on what appeals to the least common denominator of retarded fans

>>14373376
You people post your shitty numbercrap in every POST . You really are tranies of vt/ and the snoys from v/

>>14373454
It's console wars for weebs.

>>14373454
EN newfriends were jealous and being bullied back on JP before holoEN debuted and the success of Gura pushed them to think that numbers = good out of pure cope

>>14373508
how can it be a console war when the "sides" they are fighting about are on the same company? that's like 80's nerds arguing between Commodore 64 and Amiga 500

>>14368385
Why do NijiEN get so much more money than Council despite getting much less views?

>>14373568
That's why it's so retarded

>>14373568
How new? Also because the only actual competition is the company, unlike in JP where niji has huge vtubers too where you can compete

>>14373021
>Hell, it's fucking compared to what Myth does, and we do know what goes on behind the scenes, you don't know because either you don't watch streams or you want to ignore it because it would make council look bad.
No, we fucking don't. Getting snippets of what happens from Myth =/= understanding what goes on behind the scenes. They likely can't tell us most of what happens and you know it.

>Also keep in mind this is a job that will set them for life, well aside from sana since she was already set,
We've heard directly from both Myth and some JP branch members that it'a not as simple as them being set for life with this job. I'm sure the money is great, you're just overselling it a bit to make Council seem more "heinous" since your previous point is full of holes.

>>14373579
It doesn't say it but i'm guessing the views on the right are CCV which is a useless statistic, vod views are usually better. Niji EN also generally stream for a lot longer.

>>14357384
Nothing went wrong, it's just that Holomyth is comprised of Elite streamers. It's unfair to compare Council to Myth because of this.

>>14373677
Thats why VShojo is kicking their ass

>>14373616
i dont really pay attention to this crap and just keep myself to the generals

>>14373740
That's the right way to use this board. Most of the loose threads could be pruned with no loss of quality.

>>14373740
Based.

>>14373630
You know that talking with a numberfaggin won't get you anywhere. They don't think at all and always like to tal crap ABOUT everything below there numbers. They simple don't care at all.

>>14373630
>They likely can't tell us most of what happens and you know it.
Kiara has no fucking filter, she tells us at least most of the stuff she needs to do behind the scenes, and you can directly see with their results what the other members do behind the scenes, Mori, Kiara and Ame do a lot for Myth, Ina does her own projects and Gura, well she's actually lazy. And as for Council, the only which you can see the results of their off-stream work is bae and she is the most hard-working, how curious?
>We've heard directly from both Myth and some JP branch members that it'a not as simple as them being set for life with this job.
I'm sure it isn't easy for them, Myth had to endure a lot in their first year of complete inexperience, both the talents and the branch itself, Council doesn't have that, they're already set as in the branch is in a good spot now, and can ask for help whenever to whoever. Council, and any future generation is set, Kronii is the clearest example being the most successful even when she's the worst of the bunch just because of her avatar

>>14373868
Why you still here numberfag? Oh that right you still needto do you. Numbercrap talking of course lime you are the manager or something big.... BUT YOU AREN'T

>>14373868
>Kiara has no fucking filter, she tells us at least most of the stuff she needs to do behind the scenes, and you can directly see with their results what the other members do behind the scenes, Mori, Kiara and Ame do a lot for Myth, Ina does her own projects and Gura, well she's actually lazy.
You're using bits of what we know throughout your posts and molding it to match your assumptions, then treating those assumptions as truth. This is a prime example, right down to assuming Gura and Kronii are lazy. It reveals your inherent bias, propping up VTubers you like as worthy while finding arbitrary reasons others aren't.
>
I'm sure it isn't easy for them, Myth had to endure a lot in their first year of complete inexperience, both the talents and the branch itself, Council doesn't have that, they're already set as in the branch is in a good spot now, and can ask for help whenever to whoever. Council, and any future generation is set, Kronii is the clearest example being the most successful even when she's the worst of the bunch just because of her avatar.
It's even more blatant in this followup paragraph, where you paint Myth's hard work in the light of a sob story then immediately following up with a sentence that reads like Kronii's relative success angers you. I don't even know why you included it in your post.

>>14374121
Excuse the greentext fail here, I hit Return by accident apparently.

>>14357384
>Bae
TimeZone, boring stream choices

>Mumei
Slowburner, is this gen Ina, give it time

>Sana
Timezone, voice, dead dog hiatus no special perk

>Fauna
Niche asmr, will grow eventually

>Kronii
Lazy, will get better when she takes it seriously

>>14374121
Gura and Kronii ARE lazy compared to their peers in their own gens, Kronii is the person that didn't want to stream and just wanted to fucking play minecraft
> I don't even know why you included it in your post.
Just to point out the example that they are in fact set, they don't have to work as hard as Myth and don't have any worries of failing

>>14360282
If you didn't notice I named several different companies anonchama. There are more groups than Holo and Niji.

>>14374159
>Number numbers and numbers
Numberfags are scumbags /vt

>>14374159
>no special perk
Imagine if Sana actually fucking drew on stream as often as Ina does.

>This thread is sponsred by numberfags the snoy and trannies of /vt
When mods start to purge them ?? Like they didn't on reddit

>>14374223
>Kronii is the person that didn't want to stream and just wanted to fucking play minecraft.
This is a meme, she wanted to play Minecraft but it never overrode her desire to stream. She said she didn't want to stream it much, because people would probably want more variety and that she would rather just use it to relax in her off time. This has been twisted (admittedly due to Kronii's poor wording) into she'd rather play Minecraft than stream. As for Gura, I'm not even sure why you're insinuating she's lazy. You can't say "Myth has had it hard" then exclude Gura in that equation.

hello yes, is the delusional schizos thread?

>>14374454
Numberfags just don't care. You are talking with a fucking NPC brain

>>14374454
Anon that excuse doesn't fly when she was spending hours upon hours off-stream playing minecraft, and also when your own audience tells you a million times that they'll watch you play minecraft, and she ALSO said that she didn't want to stream it that much because it was hard to think about stuff to talk about while playing it, that's actual lazyness when you're a streamer.

>>14374598
>Translate: My ideology is only numbers numbers numbers numbers
Fixed

>>14357587
>Mumei could be the standout if she were a full-time streamer
>>14361168
>Mumei is probably the strongest member of Council
What, really? Huh. I haven't really kept up with Council since debut or thereabouts, how much better did she get since then?

>>14374598
>and also when your own audience tells you a million times that they'll watch you play minecraft
She literally got multiple SCs saying otherwise, whenther true or not she probably got self-conscious about it afterward.

>ALSO said that she didn't want to stream it that much because it was hard to think about stuff to talk about while playing it, that's actual lazyness when you're a streamer.
No, it's not. If she thinks it won't make for good content that literally shows that she cares about the quality of her content. That's literally the opposite of complacency and laziness.

>>14357384
No true gfe

>>14374910
Mumei is a coomer.

>>14375123
Coomei.

>>14357384
I fixed your Council. Enjoy.

>>14375191
>replacing Fauna
gross

>>14375052
If you want to see it that way, then she better start cranking up the prerecorded videos curated with excellent content now that laplus showed her it's possible, after all she is supposed to be a pro at it

>>14375191
Now I like 3 of them

>>14375191
>baelz still in
Nice try roberu

>>14357384
Gen 1 had no clue they'd be successful, Gen 2 had success handed to them on a silver platter

>>14358480
This. When I check the schedule during the day its almost always Kiara holding the line for 6 hours by herelf until Ina or somebody else in the afternoon. Thats pretty dedicated. She clearly loves this and is committed to it.

>>14375570
>Trust on gen of numberfags
Disgusting but numberfags like don't carr about live at all, just numbers and asking when you should kill yourself.

>>14361214
lol no, she's the "star player" but the shoot caller is (probably) the orange woman.

>>14365234
give 'em a little credit, at least these faggots moved on from the orange woman bad narrative.

>>14357816
>>14357384
>>14359873

All of the members of myth had lots of experience in digital media before joining, they knew their strengths and weaknesses; they knew how hard they could work and how much prioritize their work.
On the contrary, council streamers are fairly young and with little experience, some of them are even students, you can't expect them to have the same professionalism as myth.

My guess is that they casted them like that so that they could be ordered around more easily

I just checked calli's live, 23k seems pretty low.. or is it just numberrot?

>>14379374
It was a morning stream

>>14377870
Council exists to make Myth look good. Thats all they’re good for. They actually made the schizos realize that Kiara is a talented streamer who deserves respect. Too bad omegatroon had to fool girls into thinking that they’re not part of a throwaway gen but xir will do what it takes

>>14379687
>They actually made the schizos realize that Kiara is a talented streamer who deserves respect.
Kiara is still shit.

>ctrl + f
Jesas. How can you even enjoy vtubers when you don't even watch streams but only pay attention to the little number that changes under the video. You guys are in severe need of a new hobby.

>>14357384
>2 girls that sound like special needs
>1 that takes the narcissus shtick to 11 then drives it to the ground
>1 that actually tries
>1 that needs a month to dig a hole for a doggo

>>14357384
only mum and sana are decent
rest are horrendously dull

Alright anons, who's your "Fuck it, she's the only one on" guilty pleasure?

>>14382273
No need to take a swing at Aussies like that

>>14382316
Towa.

>>14357384
Sana: bad model/art, otherwise her personality is perfect
Ceres: ASMR is not a talent
Bae: All over the place, can't stick to one shtick, really bad timeslot, fucky things that chased away all her gachikois right off start, oppai ruining the potential of a semi-loli design
Kronii: feminist and shit personality, despite the good voice, shouldn't have been hired in first place
Mumei: dumb character lore getting in her way

>>14382316
I think Sana? I really can't tell since i've only really seen her play Pokemon

>>14382316
Fauna isn't a guilty pleasure. She's just a good streamer and has been since the beginning.

>>14371382
But any of them could have applied for gen 2 anyway. Like hell any vtuber wouldnt leave for holo if they got in

Fauna is underrated.

>>14383853
Not if they're under contract, or they wouldn't apply if they were happy where they were or wasn't in a situation where they could wait so long for Holo EN2 to be a thing.
All the companies were scouting and auditioning long before EN2 was most likely.

>>14383999
>>14383258
Fauna isn't bad but she isn't good either. She needs to step up or find a game that lets her do so. She's too quiet in collabs too, too much of a bystander enjoying whats going on instead of doing the stuff.

>>14384092
She's shining really brightly in Skyrim. I wish she'd go back to Spore, though.

>>14384092
She mostly plays games I don't give a shit about and makes them entertaining so I'd say she's good.

>>14374159
>timezone
All the aussies have to do is stream in the morning

>>14384035
Vtubers break contracts pretty often

>>14357384
>What went wrong
pandering to eop redditors and the west in general.
holoX has a loli and all of them have white skin

>>14357384
1. non-japanese
2. no loli, bad booba designs
3. dark skin is ugly and gross
4. the girls themselves are of poor character

>>14357384
We have this thread all the time, but I'm bored to I'll humor it again today.

>Pre-debut
Overhype lead many to get exhausted before they even debuted, similar to a friend who knows something you don't but won't tell you. "Man you'll never believe this. It's so cool. Crazy cool. You'll never expect it. So awesome. The awesome-ist. You'll seriously never guess. You wanna guess? Doesn't matter, you won't get it right. It's so cool." They just won't shut the fuck up and tell you and by the end of it you just don't give a shit anymore. How many videos did they have before they even announced their debut? 3? 4? You don't ever overhype Minecraft streamers. Shit was animated too, some people thought it was a fucking anime for christ's sake.
>Debut
Some were pretty awkward in their solos, there were some minor fuckups and the like, but nothing that wasn't understandable for the usual debut jitters. The big collab at the end was shit though because there was no central figure getting everyone into it and everyone was awkward, not one of those girls is a leader figure. With myth you had Mori and Ina who were a bit more subdued but they would try to talk a little. That combined with Ame working more or less as the leader of the group trying to get everyone to talk together and helping with technical issues helped smooth things over in the beginning. Shame she's gotten off track recently.
>Omegay
At the very fucking end of their debuts, at the end of their big collab, where every viewer is supposed to start talking with each other on twitter and reddit and the chans thinking about the streamers who just debuted, making fan art for them and watching their streams, Omega appears. He has the girls announce it like it's some big thing. They don't even really properly say what the fuck it is, just a kind of "it's there " kind of statement. For weeks people didn't know what the fuck it was. A manager? Vsinger? What? It distracted from the girls and split the discussion further. Turns out it's just an incompetent manager and vtweeter who should have been fired the moment the made that response to the gender question on twitter. That single thing shows they're too incompetent to do their job properly and they themselves need some mini-manager to manage their dumb ass. Completely fucked the poor girls up.
>Actual streaming
>Mumei
Is in college and got shafted by the omegay because history scares twitter too much. Kind of bad at talking and the like, needs a lot of practice. Not said maliciously but they should have gotten someone else with more experience(?) streaming.
>Fauna
Not that good, not that bad. She's a rather tame streamer, but does asmr well I'm told. She's mostly okay.
>Sana
Weird design and strong accent filters people. It takes a bit of time to get used to it and in terms of streamers that can be enough to make people close your stream and not bother. It took me a few streams to get used to it for me, having to re-listen to what she said every now and again, but most people probably just wont bother. That and the month long break. Thing must have been a weiner dog that break was so long.
>Baelz
Shafted by the lore schtick the failure forced on them all. She's a fairly calm person, in the same vein as Fauna but got put into the chaos slot for some stupid reason and tried to play the part too hard. Probably due to covers retarded "make a design and them hire some one to act as it" thing. Not the best course of action in the first place but really shows it's flaws when it comes to something lore heavy like this unless they get reeeeeally lucky. Besides that she's mostly actually trying to take streaming seriously in between her Rob drooling, so she gets points there.
>The clock I forgot the name of
Depressive, lacks motivation, doesn't seem to enjoy what she does. I don't really know what to say here. There's not really much else to it besides an awkward "why are you here" kind of feeling. She hasn't done/ seem to plan to do any big yabs like ollie, she doesn't seem to even dislike what she does, just kind of passively exists for some reason. I don't know much roommate stuff so I don't know if she's one of the bad nep hires but I genuinely don't understand how she could have passed the interviews with the way she is. You'd think they'd notice the clear lack of motivation or inspiration almost immediatly.
>Result
Managements fault. Managements loss.
Essay over.

>>14357384
Nothing
Fuck off with your bait thread
I doubt you actually care about them, you just want to piss people off
Sana, Bae, Mumei and Fauna are puttimg in the hours now right? So it's fine

>>14357384
>No popular poster girl
>No musician
>No leader
>No creativity
>Too many comfy members
It was destined to fail

>>14357384
I want Mumei in my mouth

>>14381217
cope

>>14382315
>Mumei is decent
>The rest are horrendously dull

Those two things can't fit in one statement

>>14386210
>3. dark skin is ugly and gross
that's just you being a faggot, 294026 disagrees with you.

>>14386361
>Thing must have been a wiener dog that break was so long.

>>14387221
that doujin would look better with a pale elf, anon.

>>14387299
why not both?

>>14387393
because everyone agrees dark skin is ugly and gross, even dark skinned people across the world who purchase skin lightening products

its pretty terrible lore for them to deal with. Myth had some lofty ideas, but were still easy for the chuuba to play with and insert into their natural conversations. Council purporting to be literal gods or whatever is way too much, especially for an entire gen. Their individual focuses then hurts most of them, as it becomes clear they don't seem to personally align with their element enough to make it work in any significant way. Ironically, this is the only way that Sana actually excels, as she leans into her space theme often and easily.

>>14387530
Too heavy on the lore

>>14362296
>every friend of Ina is Korean and every Korean is a friend of Ina

>>14357384
Honestly, Sana got too debuffed. She's the main character of the gen and without her the rest are just there. Try listening to one of her streams without watching her, put it in another tab. It's crazy how much better she is without the avatar.

>>14357384
The "lore" backfired on them

>What went wrong
>Hi, I'm Cortana
>What went wrong
>Hi, I'm Cortana
>What went wrong
>Hi, I'm Cortana
>What went wrong
>Hi, I'm Cortana

>>14357384

15 years ago your father forgot to wrap it

>>14382316
Botan started this way, until it dawned on me she's the Shikamaru of the group; being incredibly intelligent and amazing at games, but also a laid back slacker with impossible-to-beat chill vibes. Also her fucking cackle laugh, when she just absolutely looses her shit, is the most precious thing I've ever heard. And her not-terrible attempts at English make me forget about anything council has offered. Also, there's cool Russian bros in her chat.

I'm shocked that Kiara or one of the other EN's that know moonspeak haven't tried to collab with her, since collabing with Botan seems to be streaming on easymode.