/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

Current live streams.

Ame's on top of peak viewership for now.

>>15016507
Gura! I kneel!

is there a youtube version of sullygnome?

I didn't even know the shop have a dedicated page for ranking

>>15017073
pewdiebiebros.. not like this...

>>15017089
What does it do that the other sites >>15016937 and http://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/ don't already do?

>>15017134
>A headset with stickers is beating all other merch.

Is this the real one now? There's like 2 others out there

>>15017134
That was just shilled literally this week. How strong is Gura actually?

Why won't they watch her live?

>>15017134
Despite being a chumbud. I did not expect this.

>>15017176
Not anymore.

>>15017149
graduate pewdiepie already

>>15017163
average viewers over a 30 day period

>>15017213
Many different timezones all over the world, plus it's not guaranteed they aren't busy when she's live. VOD views count since dedicated viewers can still catch up later.

The other thread got deleted so I'm going to post my post here. Watch Azuma Lim.

>>15016935
>Azuma Lim OP
This better be the real one. This BASED girl was a traditional OG vtuber and then took a nearly year long break and came back as a motorcycle streamer who tours the countryside of Japan on her motorcycle. All while using her vtuber avatar and her viewership is pretty decent. She is amazing and everybody should watch her. A good number of her videos are even subbed in English for my EOP bros. One of the absolute best out there!!!

https://www.youtube.com/c/Azumalim/videos

If you want to listen to her awesome song with over 1 million views here it is.

https://youtu.be/XtlDHnWgGeM

>>15017149
Pewdiepie soon to drop to 5th place.

>>15017289
Post numbers

>>15017282
>It's the VOD cope again
Irrelevant for a live streamer.

>>15017289
>came back as a motorcycle streamer who tours the countryside of Japan on her motorcycle. All while using her vtuber avatar
Screencap? Is it like Ami Yamato, or does she just use the avatar while replaying the footage?

>>15017386
NIJICOPE
DRINK

>>15017386
They're YouTubers first and foremost, livestreamer is just a sub-category. Not all VTubers are streamers, they weren't even streamers at the beginning.

>>15017371
wild i tend to forget how money is involved with children focused youtube channels (and poos i guess)

>>15017450
Anon if you drink every time a nijicope gets posted here you'd die

>>15017383
https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/user/8F71E9A6780E1793_fc51eb
https://www.youtube.com/c/Azumalim/videos

>>15017415

>>15017466
>They're YouTubers first and foremost
No they're not. They're streamers. You compare them to people on Twitch, not people who upload videos to Youtube.

>Not all VTubers are streamers
Kizuna AI was, almost all vtubers nowdays are streamers now so you use streamer metrics to judge them and that means CCV. Gura fails and you cannot deny that no matter how hard you cope or cry over VOD views.

>>15017386
careful anon, holoen apologists will call you nijinigger

>>15017481
on that note are there any vtuber trying to make it in that market? i mean cheap 3D animations with songs seems doable

>>15017578
You are an idiot

>>15017578
>You compare them to people on Twitch
No we don't

>>15017578
Retard.

>>15017578
Time to sleep Reimu

>>15017578
There's still non-streamer VTubers around and it isn't guaranteed the streamer meta will stay forever.
The most viewed and subbed individual YouTube channels are still video uploaders, the streamer channels are still way behind. The most that happens is that the top YouTubers decide to stream every now and then, but they still get a lot more views on regular video uploads.
Videos will always be on top of YouTube. Fuck off back to Twitch with your streamerfaggotry.

>>15017578
i love how all holoen apologist can do is name call you kek
>>15017626
>>15017677

>>15017578
Is this a tourist or just braindead fag?

>>15017645
>Vshojo aren't a primary competitor to Hololive EN in the west
I thought I've seen ALL the retarded globalfag takes but you people always surprise me with how retarded you can get

>>15017576
>Super Cub
she's probably the nicest vtuber you can meet.

>>15017733
They're VTUBERS non VStreamers, that's just a sub-category.

>>15017733
case on point>>15017736

>>15017736
They've been here for ages, it's just Mister 'vods don't matter'.

>>15017765
everything about this image is based

>>15017712
So in your mind HoloEN and Vshojo are completely different things and cannot be compared because they're two entirely separate mediums despite the fact they're clearly both vtuber streaming agencies on different platforms?

>>15017765
based racist

>>15017764
They were more of a fad that attracted normalfags, but they've mostly gone away now. Both their YouTube and Twitch views have gotten lower.

>>15017736
Brain dead, its basically the "ccv don't matter only scs do" cope

>>15017776
>>15017733
>Deflecting
How ironic braindead tourist?

>>15017450
Can't be a nijicope because Niji loses out on CCV too.

>>15017777
There are vtubers on twitch...

>>15017481
I can see poo channels fighting against chink channels if Youtube is available in China

>>15017777
vtubers that mainly does live streaming, you arent very bright anon...

>>15017578
If they were Twitch streamers I'd agree with you, since if you're not live and not streaming you're dead to the platform..but they aren't on Twitch, and VODs DO matter for YouTube, so your take is trying to compare a carton of milk to a fucking apple tree, the comparison doesn't even make fucking sense.

>>15017821
This. All the stats are indicators of different things.

they are seething kek

>>15017879
Just mainly. It's not the primary requirement to be counted as one.

Another timeloop because retards can't help but bite the bait.

>Reimu stops streaming
>Thread is suddenly full of retards.

Really makes you think.

>>15017868
They upload their highlights on YouTube, though. That's the only way they get counted on YouTube charts.

>>15017964
Reimu samefagging ?

>>15017881
>and VODs DO matter for YouTube
They matter as much as archive views for Twitch VODs. That is to say not at all and anyone who says you should judge Twitch streamers by archive views is a retard and so too is anyone who claims you should judge Youtube streamers by VOD views. It's a cope to deal with Guras flagging CCV, that's all it's ever been, that's all it will be. HoloEN is dying and it's better globalfags accept that fact than coming up with ever more new exotic coping mechanisms to deflect from the fact hardly anyone watches them anymore in comparison to the JP branch

>>15017932
current meta defines the category, prove it to me that vtubers arent livestreamers

>>15017964
Kek

>>15017149
How do we save him…

>vod anons still believes that chuuba gets more money in it compared to SC

Doesn't matter if it's CCV, VODS, or SC. Hololive wins in all categories.

Nijifags BTFO'd!

>>15017073
>22k
I hope someone tops it, whoever it is
I don't want another sub 30k gold to happen, it's embarrassing

hololive 6th gen numbers still strong overall 2 weeks after debut. Even lui and koyori are doing okay. What went right?

Shut up Reimu. Stop coping and start strategizing for a potential incline.

>>15017733
There is no questioning Pekora's power and I don't think anybody has ever done that. However, you are discounting somebody who has just about DOUBLE the amount of 1 million view VODS over her just because they aren't sitting their ass in front of the computer watching the stream live. That is insane to me. Gura is strong as fuck and you are huffing that copium trying to discount EN.

>>15017289
Oh shit, Azulim is still around. The last time I heard about her was the drama with her company.

>>15018056
Correction HoloJP wins in all categories. HoloEN is the retarded little brother who keeps trying to claim the victory because he's related to the chad. HoloEN slapfights with Niji while HoloJP stands head and shoulders above both.

Reminder HoloJP fans are not the allies of EN fags, fight your own fights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVQQcI6r3NU
I require your predictions

>>15017996
you are a retard who doesn't watch twitch or youtube streamers if you think youtube vods are the same as twitch vods.

>>15018074
Yagoo and his god tier recruiting department.
>>15018087
It's not worth it to continue arguing with Reimu.
>>15018109
Ogey Reimu. Unlike Nijisanji with their shitty clique based culture, Hololive has a culture based on UNITY, so stop trying to divide the fanbase.

>>15018109
Keep trying nijibros I'm sure it'll work someday

>>15018090
Hell yeah she is and for all the Hololive fans here is some motivation to check out her channel. She did a collab with Sora back in 2018 and to this day its still one of my favorite vtuber videos.

https://youtu.be/R1B6kQtjvAo

>15018109
Lol Cope, HoloEN is Hololive and they beat your Nijisanji. That's all that matters.

>>15018109
even if you make it jp vs jp and en vs en. holo en still shits on niji en

holoen has the biggest subbed vtuber tho

>>15018171
I remember watching that. That's one of the classic Sora videos.

>>15018151
>unity
kek, hololive segregated en and id apart from the main minecraft server. that much should tell you something

>>15018173
And HoloJP shits on HoloEN.

>>15018200
Inb4 subs doesn't matter cope.

Isn't Nijikart Finals Lottery today? So that means Niji will get gold.
So why are there ENvsJP Baits again?

>Globalfags forgot they were despised outside their thread again
Whoops!

>>15018128
70-80k

>>15018200
pewdipie also was once the most subbed youtuber. didnt stop him from reclining

>>15018256
it slipped last time.

>>15018240
Someone please explain why is Gura still gaining so many subs but not improving in every other metric.

>>15018219
And then they connected them again in a time period that produced a lot of kino EN/JP collabs.

The same thing will happen with ID too. Nijisanji can't even build a storyline with their foreign branches.

>>15017615
There's the spinoff channel of Ryan ToysReview/Ryan's World that took the name "VTubers" and the sub channel of one of the characters "Combo Panda", with both having 2 million subs each, but their average views are only a few hundred thousand and less than a hundred thousand each respectively, but both have some videos that have blown up and gotten millions of views.

There's also クマーバチャンネル (Kumarba), one of the most viewed VTuber channels with the fastest growing view counts, but has only 351k subscribers at the moment, and the views of most of their videos average only under a hundred thousand since most of their views come from a few videos that gotten many millions of views.

>>15018281
Lots of clipwatchers
>>15018256
Niji's guaranteed gold last time was stolen by Pekora.

>>15018256
HoloJP fans annoyed at ENfags trying to deflect attention from their failing branch by claiming stolen valor from JP numbers. For some reason they think JP has solidarity with EN when they were all reddit fags who got booted out of hlg for being cancer. Guess they're just surprised some people remember that fact.

>>15018109
Oh its fucking you.
The thread was so nice when you weren't here, go the FUCK back to /jp/ you trolling asshole.

Stop deflecting Reimu.
>>15018350
The poster is Reimu.

>15018227
>15018219
What timeline are we on? Because in my timeline Sports Fest 2021 happened and HoloEN is there and there is an upcoming Holo MK where all 11 ENs are there.

>>15018350
kys globalnigger, I'll always be here to remind you EN is a failed branch full of lazy whores

>>15018281
She's been mentioned by a bunch of mainstream YouTubers several times, and her design appeals to kids as well.

>Mogged by Sana
HoloEN vs HoloJP timeloops LMAO

>>15017134
What happened to the merch nijibros?

>>15018401
>5018401▶
>>Mogged by Sana
Speaking of Sana, can Selen still beat Sana's median, or is it now out of her reach yet again?

>>15018430
Is it even out yet?

Funny how all this EN vs Jp shitflinging was promoted by evidence of Gura’s merch prowess. I mean I’m pretty shocked it was number #1. Makes you wonder…. What was the print order on her shirts and jackets? If you assume ~10k range (why would you bother doing less?) she’s made more revenue off Omocat than she has superchats her entire career

>>15018324
>Niji's guaranteed gold last time was stolen by Pekora
This is revisionist history at its finest. Nobody actually thought that Pekora wouldn't get gold that day.

>>15018430
Difference between a foreign branch that's a success and a foreign branch that's a failure.

>>15018448
JPs fear the shark.

>>15018448
More people are interested in the idea of Gura than Gura herself. Her merch always sells well but nobody is interested in watching her because she's a terrible streamer. Pekora on the other hand is both extremely entertaining and sells a lot of merch.

>>15018452
Bro, there were plenty of predictions about Pekora not even reaching 100k, citing her low ceiling as the reason why.

>>15018401
It's not, its that one ass-mad fucker from /jp/ who refuses to let his age-old grudge go. He's constantly shitting up this thread and doesn't even have the decency to pull up the numbers to prove his point, and also for some bizarre reason refuses to accept that VODs are a piece of the puzzle and part of the metrics that matter, just like SCs, CCV and subcount all matter too.
In other words, they're a disingenuous troll who has a chip on their shoulder.

>>15017134
Also, on Amazon JP's new release "Anime Goods" ranking

>>15018448
I wish we could easily get numbers for game sales. I'm really curious how many copies of Groove Coaster were moved after Gura got added to the game. I imagine it was a pretty big number. I personally got the game when they added Miko to it (my oshi) and I fucking love it. Its a great rhythm game which makes me happy that Gura wasn't just shilling some trash. Actually an A+ game.

>>15018487
That’s why her numbers are always high, a single comment from her can fuck up someone else’s chat for half an hour, and why she has more than twice as many subs as the next largest Holomem?

Anon…

>>15018448
Gura wasn't even the first omo merch to sell out, if I'm remembering right, it was the WAH! sweater. That I didn't manage to get...

>>15018479
How many 30k+ streams does Gura have this month? Pekora has 12.

>>15017174
Its not just stickers it has Gura voice lines.

>>15017213
>Why won't they watch her live?
I have to work overtime to pay for all the merch she keeps getting.
Jokes aside she just streams a bit too early for me, by the time I get home shes already an hour or two into the stream usually at which point I'd rather just catch the vod.

>>15018494
>>15018452
Yeah lol, Most fags are saying that Pekora only got 90k on her prisoner outfit so expecting 100k+ is delusional.

>>15018523
Somehow I get the feeling that a few hundred dollar Bluetooth headset shouldn't really belong in the toy section

>>15018550
How many 1m+ VODS Pekora has total? Gura has more than 10.

>>15018487
Congrats, you just won the award for the dumbest post I've ever read on /vt/ and that is a big deal since the competition is quite fierce. Enjoy your gold medal.

>>15018321
pretty interesting

>>15018576
Can we get a chart for this with all the Holos?

>>15018525
Considering they keep doing these collabs it's got to be a pretty significant number

>>15018592
Finally, Reimu got gold.

>>15018576
>VOD cope
Hahahahaha

How many 30k+ streams? Cmon Cumbucket, tell me. How many?

>>15018546
Ina’s sold out first which is interesting. She’s obviously plenty popular but she also discourages superchatting while arguably having the best merch design. The fact even her hat sold out first makes me think it’s more the former: Takos finally had an approved way to spend on her.

>>15018448
I mean didn't flare figma top the charts a few days ago?

>>15018572
It is how Amazon does it. Anything related to "Anime goods" are cornered off to the Anime toys section as you can see from the Yugioh cards box

>>15017964
Reimu is ENschizo? Considering that she browses vt, it's possible.

>>15018576
>deflecting the question

Stepping away from HoloEN vs HoloJP timeloops.

What's the current trend for Vshojo? Inclining or reclining? Did the drama affect them or not? When the hell are they debuting their new member?

>>15018623
That’s a little surprising but these are literally just regular earbuds with a sticker and a markup. Not sure why people are so enthusiastic. Even Sora’s has some decent sales

>>15017213
>Why don't they watch her live
You are dumb

Among Hololive talents Gura is #3 in CCV for all of 2021. That means her live views are pretty fucking good.

>>15018676
Declining but again it’s the holiday season people have shit to do. Probably best to wait until 2022 and do yoy analysis

>>15018662
It explains why the schizo is currently seething so much. Reimu just had her lowest CCV stream today.

It might even be the lowest CCV stream NijiEN ever had, period.

>holoen vs holojp ignored
>starts baiting with gura vs peko instead

>>15018678
Anon is this your first time dealing with Holo merch or something?
Remember Aqua vaguely described the shape of the bottle of perfume she uses and it sells out within the hour

Just a quick reminder that despite the VOD cope Gura doesn't actually win on that metric either since Pekora has 5 million more channel views over the past 30 days than Gura does.

>>15018487
194k > 186k

I want to start a NIjiEN and NijiJP timeloop.

>>15018678
see
>>15018569

>>15018717
One of these days people will learn to stop biting.
One day

>>15018676
I think drama affected people who aren’t huge VShojo simps. Their main fans will never give up their e-sluts.
Declining slightly. Having to collab with weirdos. Other companies probably don’t want to take a risk involving themselves with a group that could cause massive drama.

>>15018698
Stop...ENschizo is already dead...

>>15018724
When people talk about VODs they are talking about averages since obviously Pekora wins in total views since she streams a lot more than Gura. You already knew that though.

>>15018698
now do a second half one

>>15018595
It gets posted every once in a while. I know it's floating around in the archives, but chart-anon probably will have an updated one in a few weeks/once the year concludes.

>>15018724
Hololive Officialchads, WW@?

Holy shit Fubuki! Take the foot off the gas!

>>15018727
Let us be honest, we were watching her new outfit to see if the rigger fucked up or not.

>>15018777
Gura would actually be stronger then since her March/April Monster Hunter streams really killed her CCV as she barely got 10k or those streams. Her 2nd half has been stronger.

>>15018778
>Ratio
If we want to go down that route we can simply point out that Pekora beating Gura in CCV is even more impressive given she has half Guras sub count. Regardless Gura doesn't get bonus points for being lazy and making less content. Pekora wins in views period.

So dark souls and sekiro...
Buff games or not?

Hololive Over 100k Concurrent Peak Live Views (Holostats)

** Top 10 **

07/01/2021 491,342 Coco Graduation
05/07/2021 194,140 Gura Costume reveal
12/19/2021 187,392 Pekora Costume reveal (NEW)
11/28/2021 180,499 Koyori debut
11/29/2021 176,697 Chloe debut
11/30/2021 175,823 Iroha debut
11/26/2021 167,584 La+ debut
11/27/2021 149,755 Lui debut
10/21/2020 145,305 Miko 3D Return
10/21/2020 140,116 Noel Costume reveal

** The Rest **

07/03/2021 139,393 Marine 1M Gen3 3DLive
10/18/2020 137,900 Marine Costume reveal
07/29/2021 136,068 Marine 2nd Costume reveal
05/03/2021 135,527 Mori Costume reveal
12/13/2020 129,528 Pekora Pekomama debut
05/27/2021 126,480 Subaru Costume reveal
07/30/2021 124,596 Marine Birthday LIVE
12/31/2020 123,926 Hololive New Year's Eve
11/13/2020 119,493 Gura 2nd Karaoke
08/14/2020 113,092 Botan Hololive debut
12/11/2021 112,093 Gura 2nd Costume reveal
01/31/2021 111,367 Nene Costume reveal
11/08/2020 109,860 Rushia Gen3 Smashbros
05/02/2021 109,792 Ayame Costume reveal
07/05/2020 109,528 Kanata 3D debut
06/27/2020 108,689 Coco 3D debut
11/30/2021 108,611 HoloX first full collab
07/18/2021 108,004 Rushia 2nd anniversary
06/23/2021 107,020 Coco Costume reveal
07/12/2020 105,716 Watame 3D debut
08/12/2020 103,408 Lamy Hololive debut
10/04/2021 101,868 Noel 2nd Costume reveal
05/07/2021 101,843 Amelia Costume reveal
11/15/2020 101,171 Shion Costume reveal
05/09/2021 100,436 Aqua 2nd 3DLive

>>15018727
its 187, and fucking susan culled another 5k-6k like what she did with the slipped 500k

>>15018759
No one's really biting, it's just samefagging.

>>15018523
Some more numbers. Gura's new earphone is actually ranked #199 world wide as Amazon top sellers in the "Hobbies" category, which include anime, toys, Kpop, Jpop cd, movie, comic etc

>>15018724
>Lui has more views than Gura
Oh no no no no

>>15018839
Is there an overall ranking?

>>15018839
forgot the image

>>15018839
Gura sama...I kneel...

>>15018762
The problem with vshojo is that there is a non insignificant overlap between vshojo fans and, say, nux fans, due to the way twitch streamer collabs work, so whenever there's drama between streamers it hits everyone equally. It's unlike how hololive or even nijisanji fans are where they are mostly core fans so no matter how much external drama they get involved in it will never affect their viewership unless the streamer themselves does something

>>15018806
stronger as in compared t o her but she would drop places in rank overall

>>15018698
That's hours watched not CCV...

>>15018676
>What's the current trend for Vshojo? Inclining or reclining?
Seems to be trailing their October numbers, having hit a high point around there.

Here is their average CCV, compared with Hololive

>>15018839
Gura... I kneel

>>15018867
>>15018869
Number one in hobby is Char's Counterattack V Gundam so Gundamn is definitely going strong

>>15018815
>Pekora is inferior to Gura forever
ENschizo on suicide watch

>>15018811
Averages and Ratios aren't the same thing

>>15018839
thats daily, weekly and monthly is a better indicator

>>15018802
>Gura has less hours watched in December than Lui who averages 5k CCV a stream
Jesas

Being a holobrony is a curse. They are eternally doomed to be tribalfags and pick up even amongst themselves. Meanwhile, Nijichads couldn't care less about NijiEN and NijiJP comparisons.

>>15018917
I meant is there a way to see how the Gura earphones ranks in overall items?

>>15018919
gura always lose to pekora when they go head to head, 124k < 187k

>All the Gura haters showed up once Reimu stopped streaming
Really makes ya think

>>15018894
NTA. But that list have average CCV

>>15018955
Lmao. Nijifans are notorious for being divided and their infighting lol.

>>15018955
HAHAAHHA, the reason HoloJP vs. HoloEN happens is because HoloEN is competitive with HoloJP and both branches are on the same level in a lot of ways (Gura/Pekora for streams, Mori/Suisei for music). NijiEN are literal midgets compared to NijiJP and there is no comparison.

>>15018966
I know it's hard to accept the reality
But Gura's all time record just > Pekora's...

>>15019016
>HoloEN is competitive with HoloJP
No it isn't. Mori is under Flare, the midget of Gen 3. The only EN who manages to crack the top 10 is Gura, the rest of EN are Kanata tier or lower.

>>15018955
>Because their both death and both their audience barely cares about them? no?

>>15018873
Vshojo and Cover are polar opposites from an advertisers perspective. HL is seiso, apolitical, avoid drama like the plague, have great numbers, and the talents will always toe the company line. Vshojo has a literal camwhore, regularly engage in drama political and otherwise, and have talents that are free to do whatever they want, or so they say. For major marketing campaigns it’s night and day. The risk especially is way higher with vshojo. Not to say you can’t use them but the latter will be massively discounted compared to the former.

>>15019016
>NijiEN are literal midgets compared to NijiJP
Truth be told NijiJP girls averages are quickly approaching NijiEN. Other than a few outliers they’ll soon be competitive with each other

>194,140 Gura Costume reveal
>187,392 Pekora Costume reveal
Do you see this ENschizo?

To think one of them said no to HoloX. How bad is Hololive's name if people choose this over them?

>>15019124
The vsingers have more subs than the streamers??

>>15019089
No one from nijiEN is at the same level as Ange or say Mito or Lize.

>>15019113
Looks to me like Pekora is inclining and Gura is reclining.

What the hell are these JP vs EN shitposting again.

>>15019113
i honestly doubt that either will be able to get that high again without some extreme circumstances

>>15019193
Only deluded globalfags ever thought JP was on the same side as EN.

>>15019193
Reimu isn't streaming

>>15019188
The fact is you Lost

>>15019193
This thread died with Apex and Kuzeha’s numbers. Since Niji can’t compete in any meaningful way unless there’s an event or something it’s just shitposts and samefagging all day.

>>15019193
Nijiniggers trying to gain a reprieve from their humiliation.

>>15019124
Anon do you also believe that cover scraped those two designs because they couldn't find anyone to play them?

>>15019193
It all started when someone mentioned the gura merch, then our resident /jp/ who refuses to let old dogs lie had to dredge up the utter shit that stirs within his soul and splatter it all over the thread.

>>15019225
The fact is Gura gets midget numbers now and is going lower every single day.

>>15019193
ENschizo goes full schizo after seeing Gura's merch is on #1 rank

>>15018623
Flare's figure is a much better quality and cooler merch item than shitty earbuds with a sticker. It just proves that hololive merch moves.

>>15019215
Gura still has her 3D debut in the cards which I could easily see approaching that number considering all the drama considering EN 3D I can easily see it surpassing 200k.

>>15019263
Hahaha do you see the median this month enschizo?

>>15019193
It's just one guy samefagging.
How do we convince the mods here to implement IDs?

>>15019288
manjisanji... i kneel

>>15019288
This pic explains why globalfags keep trying to ride the coattails of HoloJP and accusing anyone of telling them to fuck off as being a Nijifag. They're Niji level these days at best.

>>15019288
ENbros...

Ok so here is a breakdown of the current Mori/Sana stream going on right now and a look into the small things that make a good number streamer vs. a low number streamer. I actually wanted to watch Sana to help improve her numbers a bit since they are basically the same streams anyway and they are both on VC. However the Mori stream is just so much more pleasant with better audio levels and the smooth Hololive jazz remixes playing in the background. Sana's audio levels aren't nearly as good and she has the game audio playing in the background which is very jarring when you are constantly resetting.

Its the small things ya know?

>>15019312
Mods can barely bother to do their jobs as is, and IDs really only stop the lazy samefagging, not the arsehats that will abuse mobile data connections.

>>15019288
>Mori Calliope the 2nd most subbed vtuber in Hololive can't beat Saegusa
It's over EN bros...

>>15019367
>They're Niji level these days at best.
It's true. The top Niji females can be compared with the top holoEN females even. Gura being the only exception.

>>15019380
lol do you think Sana cares about that?

>>15018815
Sportfes 2021 was over 100k, bigger than koshien too

>>15019417
The thread would be much more entertaining if we allowed the two midgets to slapfight

>facts show Gura is popular time and time again
>something any normal fag could tell you
>half the thread copes and seethe about it
Man the black ships shit generated some schizos for life huh

>>15018087
I personally have no doubt about Gura powerlevel but I respect Pekora current number more cause I know it wasn’t always there and she have to gradually build it up
On the other side, Gura get her popularity right out of the gate and is popular through memes most of the time. That kind of popularity is less impressive to me

>>15019438
And that's why she's never going to incline from her near-rock bottom state....

How come EN vs JP timeloops always devolve into Gura vs Pekora? Are the rest of the members irrelevant in their eyes? Is it because chumbuds and nousagis are the easiest to bait? Or is this just falseflaggers reusing material from their bait vault?

>>15019438
Doing her job properly and being professional? No, no I suppose she doesn't

>>15019288
>Chihiro still play Apex even after the decline
Chihiro truly love Apex

What happened to your powerful JP numbers...?

>>15019417
The top Nijis can compare with top HoloEN! Except not the top HoloEN.

Oh Kuzeha. Why did you have to recline and inflict stupidity like this on us? Look at the quality of the bait these days. Perhaps one day the King under the mountain can return

>>15019246
No but it's funny to think someone picked Sony over HoloX. Maybe a pure vsinger would.

>>15019474
It's one to two schizos who insist on shitting the thread up, but yes they did. Rent-free is the appropriate phrase.

>>15018576
Cmon now even if she does have more VOD view, you are still avoiding the question
That’s not a very good attitude

>>15019488
i'd say its a bit of everything listed

>>15019452
Any midget fights going on atm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psuZxWSHA78

>>15019512
10 out of 11 holoEN members can be compared to Nijifems. Make that as you will.

>>15019481
>>15019487
im not defending her , just saying why she has shit numbers

>>15019488
They are the flagship of both side so of course it will devolve into Pekora vs Gura
Basically people just compare the strongest from each side

>>15019488
ENfags rely heavily on Gura to bolster their arguments. In fact I don't think I've EVER seen an ENfag use any other EN member as an example of good numbers. Gura is literally all they have. It makes perfect sense if we compare the top hitter of JP to the top hitter of EN. Of course if we compare JP to EN in groups it becomes very dire for EN so the argument for EN pretty much hinges entirely on Gura to carry EN as a branch

If anyone wants to debate Miko vs Mori, or Subaru vs Amelia I'm all for it, lets go.

>>15019488
#1 EN vs #1 JP
I wonder what would happen if Fubuki eventually ends up passing Pekora.

>>15019408
it's a start, imo.
mobile falseflaggers will also stand out, especially in cases of extreme samefagging (e.g. Orcschizo).
And once ID system is there, you can hide the posts by ID for a shitpost free thread.

>>15019417
Possible to verify this? HoloEN should still be quite abit ahead of the top Niji females. Iirc only two Niji females are in the 10k median?

>>15019568
Mori's music views mog all of JPs
I'm sorry

>>15019573
“Pekora mogged” posting for a day or so then people forgot about it
Let’s be honest, Pekora already got passed twice, and Fubuki have always been being the face of Hololive
The only people who would even react to that are schizos who want to bait the nousagis

>>15019568
So is Nijikeks? What's your point?

>>15019605
I think only Suisei have a chance against Mori in term of musics

>>15019580
Remember HoloEN includes Council and Irys now too. Only 2 HoloEN members out of 11 have above a 10k median, Gura and Mori.

>>15019646
Not doubting you, but got any images?

>>15019568
Mori music is arguably stronger than Suisei so there is that.

>>15019658
>>15018913

>>15019646
Mori fluctuates a lot though. There were months were she was only at 6k.

>>15019549
Niji fems outside of Mito and sanbaka are midgets. NijiFems only have like a 2.7k median and NijiEN has a 1.7k.

>>15019568
>HoloEN is too strong as a side branch makes the JP only schizo go crazy

>>15019644
>>15019666
NTA but maybe this place prefer numbers that can be tracked every day/week, unlike songs, you need to wait for a month to be able to numberfag it, but Suisei and Mori have a good music metric debate if wanted to

>>15019699
Yes she's inclined a lot over the past 2 months due to consistency. We'll see if she keeps it up, if not then it'll be back to Gura being the sole EN above 10k

>>15019488
Nousagis are streamwatchers and usually don't lurk here 24x7, so they can be pretty easy to bait. And they're really protective of the rabbit, so framing the discussion as "Gura vs Pekora" the troll automatically forces them to defend Pekora by posting her numbers.

And even if no one bites the bait, the troll simply posts a reply from his phone defending Pekora and makes the rest of the thread think that people are actually biting bait.
Then someone tells the non-existant "bait biter" to ignore obvious bait, to which the troll sarcastically replies with "damn, look at [x] coping for [y]'s low numbers", yet another opportunity for bait biting.

But again, doesn't matter if no one bites, he will continue using his laptop to pretend that someone bit the bait, and so on and so forth. So the thread essentially looks like a bunch of people biting bait and discussion devolving, when it's just one guy's Laptop and Mobile talking to each other.

I've done it before, and it's surprisingly effective at derailing threads

it's been 5 threads and there is no Decembers' daily winner post. good job, everyone

>>15019760
FUCK YOU REIMU

>>15019646
>Only 2 HoloEN members out of 11 have above 10k median

>>15019568
It's what little people do, they clone their top performer and try to say the entire branch is that successful. NijiEN fags pretend they have 10 Selens, NijiEN males fans pretend they have 5 Mystas, HoloEN fans pretend they have 5 Guras and 5 Moris, NijiJP fans get mad we don't mention Lize. NijiJP fans are delusional enough to copy their top performer and pretend the entire company is like that. HoloJP fans too.

>>15019698
Thanks

>>15018720
last year Mori caused recorders to sell out on Amazon JP for a day or two

and haachama did the same with freeze-dried spiders

>>15019831
Outside of Gura HoloEN compares very well with Niji females.

>>15019831
>December only

>>15019038
Only in terms of VOD views. Pekora BTFO Gura when it comes to CCV and SC. Stop coping.

>>15019834
>NijiJP fans are delusional enough
I meant AREN'T delusional enough

time loop thread

So how are the Niji EN males doing? I haven’t watched them

>>15019865
Also the red bull promotion that was supposed to last two weeks that sold out in two days

ALSO HOLY SHIT MORI GOT HER SHINY

>>15019831
Possible to post the ytd and past 3 months dataset? Will probably give a better picture than just a 20day snapshot.

>>15019896
Same as the other nijis, plus a fading debut buff.
Mysta is probably gonna be a breakout and maybe vox.

The rest are, well, mid tier niji.

>>15016902
how the hell did ZUN make all those games and be an alcoholic AND have a family...

FUBUKI ON SUICIDE WATCH

Does anyone know how many POVs will the Hololive MK tourney have?

>>15019896
The fact that this thread isn't talking about them already answers your question.

>>15019882
Well...you know the reason why there are so many EN vs JP shitposts now

Holy fuck the youtube tab out not counting is real. Mori was hanging around 7k and immediately shot up to 9k when she saw the shiny Giratina.

>>15018802
Does this put Fubuki in contention for most watched female streamer in Q4? How big were her numbers in October and November?

>>15019992
I mean, yagoo is married too...

>Mori will hit 10k because she met shiny Giratina

Any candidate for gold?

>>15020040
make that 10k, lol

>>15020000
Everyone who participated

>>15019935
S-s-superchat rain!

>>15019896
Two of them have worse post debut numbers than Ethyria, one is on par with Ethyria, Vox looks like he'll be at least top 5, and Mysta looks to be a top dog contender. Also this is subject to change since they debuted like 36 hours ago and anyone closing the book on them is dumb. I am really expecting two good performers and 3 midgets though.

>>15020046
3rd place possible for Q4. 3M in 20 days is basically 30% of her watch hours for the entire year.

>>15020075
Nijis tournament should keep going today right?
on holos side there is the Nene,Suisei,Towa xmas concert

>>15020040
Yeah maybe they put it in their backgrounds, but for sure this will make sc rain if successful, keep in mind she already got $3k-4k+ before meeting this shiny

>>15019997
?

>>15020182
mori got her shiny anon

Mori 10k get

>>15017578
The replies to this are funny. Here in the numbers threads we follow live view numbers more than anything. The numbers we fag most of all are ccv.

>>15020085
Holy shit, and these chuubas are the ones Nijifags keeps claiming will open the market for Nijisanji?

>>15020040
You mean people were just listening and didn't watch

>>15020255
Only because tha'ts the easiest number to numberfag.

The best metric to actually numberfag is revenue, but we can't track that.

>>15020255
Only the schizos.

>>15020180
I mean, there's nothing interesting on screen when she's just resetting, so...

>>15020316
>>15020255
Also, numberfagging CCV is still interesting, since we can't numberfag subs anymore because of Gura.

>>15020316
Popularity is more important than money.

>>15020310
Yes, that's what tabbing in/out means.

>>15020255
>appeal to thread authority
Roru

>>15019788
Well, that sorta chart is...
Well, we already know Hololive won the month, it'll be interesting to see the breakdown once December ends though.
Daily tally was 2-3 threads ago though.

>>15019992
He do it as a hobby. Dude stayed as an indie his entire life

>>15019515
Nobody would reject hololive, so it's not funny

>>15020368
This. Subs/views are what it's really about for YouTubers.

Last December was dogshit for EN, but this one seems a lot more stable and even doing better than average for some of them. How come?

did mori just turn on her bots?

>>15020400
Gibara and Lulu probably did. Other big, free names did. Gen 6 is full of 2views.

>>15020368
Popularity doesn't pay the bills if you can't convert it to revenue

>>15020357
>since we can't numberfag subs anymore because of Gura.
Yep. Gura killed subs numberfagging, Coco killed all time peak CCV and all time peak SC in a stream.

All that’s left is daily comparisons, monthly comparisons and the such

>>15020401
It's funny to see that subs are the one metric every holo will numberfag and beg for and respect, but this thread keeps discounting it. 100% guarantee we'd have a lot more sub numberfagging if Gura wasn't on top of that metric

>>15020423
No, it's proof of the tab out cull.

>>15020423
She got her shiny

>>15020423
anon-chama... read the thread

>>15020423
the shiny appears

She fucking got it!!! Fubuki on suicide watch!!!

Also, youtube tab out........7k to 13k once the shiny showed up.

>>15020423
Met a shiny Giratina. Still a midget compared to Fubuki.

>>15019124
how do the latter two have more than Uno? she's actually great

>>15020542
Can we take it as proof that every CCV for every streamer is culled? Like Gura probably averages 25k and Pekora about 40k if we take this into account.

even NijisEN probably got more than 10k combined ccv if we account for the cull.

>>15017213
Timezones

>>15019124
What the fuck happened to the cunny? She was the strongest performer in their first week.

>>15020542
Damn, i wonder how much karaoke view got culled because personally i leave them on the background.

>Shiny legendary catched
>12k got
>SC Raining
ENschizo on suicide watch

>>15020597
Twitch CCV increases during hype moments as well.

>>15020632
>>15019124
Bros... Were we wrong about the cunny buff all along?

>>15020424
>Gibara and Lulu probably did. Other big, free names did
If you mean pre Gen 5 hololive, maybe
Post Gen 5 hololive? You are delusionak
>Gen 6 is full of 2views
Correlation =/= causation. Cover went for 2views with talent. If cover wanted to poach a niji, you bet your ass that niji would leave anykara in a heartbeat

>>15020511
>if Gura wasn't on top of that metric
It’s not the fact that is Gura that killed it but the fact there is someone so far ahead it’s not a race anymore.

Reminds me of F1 on the 3rd consecutive championship victory for Schumi driving a Ferrari. It got boring because the outcome of every race was set from the start.

There was lots of rioting and hooting and hollering when Gura was set to overtake Kizuna (and beat her to 3M) but after that there was nothing else to conquer

>>15020597
It likely heavily depends on stream content.
For those where there isn't anything engaging on screen, the cull is likely heavier. For those where the on-stream contents are important, less so. Just see how Mario-kart/Apex peaks go all fucky depending on the status of the race/match for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPyLnwSXqkA

This already has around 210k after 8 hours, definitely faster than anything NijiEN has dished out despite the cheap quality.

>>15020717
Speaking of the EN main channels. what happened to the Niji animations? Notable numbers?

>>15020772
Too low to numberfag, maybe they have dropped it since no one is talking about it anymore.

>>15020423
is this the clearest proof we've seen of the tab out issue?

>>15020680
a good design helps them get started but they have to hustle to keep inclining

>>15020690
Money isn't everything and if you're good there's ton of money to be had in Nijisanji. Not everyone wants their restrictions and dancing. Also these people have built their entire career there. The only way for Hololive to get a former Nijisanji female is if she was dissatisfied and graduated well before she ever had an offer. Same thing with re:act and La+. Also it is really bad form to poach and Cover would be smarter than that. Cover doesn't even want big names, they like people they can control and brainwash.

>>15020511
It's understandable to have a conflicted attitude towards subs. Look at matsuri. While it is better for her to have her million subs than not it still makes it easy to mock her when she gets shit numbers. Here dead subs are embarrassing, in the rest of the world they are still a metric of popularity

>>15020654
makes me wonder.
The thing with Twitch tracking sites is that they don't track by the second, unlike what we have with Holostats/Vrabi type sites, so its hard to see the second-by-second spike like what happened with Mori here.

>>15020645
>Mori is stalling for the CCV and SC late comers
She's dedicated to improve her metrics huh

>>15019124
i bet somebody will believe this rrat because retards keep repeating it

>>15020801
>>15020772
They started off with cucking their viewers. It was dead on arrival.

>>15020813
IMO this one is just as strong.
This was from Marine's live that she had to restart due to issues with the recording, but she kept the stream running. As soon as it started up again, we can see a MASSIVE spike as everyone started to tab back in.

>>15020717
It'd probably hit 400k by the end of the day, not bad for that channel

>>15020709
Yeah and no other Vtuber will likely top that anymore, it's just THAT big of an achievement

>>15020896
If it was true do you really think one of them wouldn't have had a menhera attack? I'm not a doxxbeat so I don't stalk them on their roommate accounts but there would be tons of sparks if someone did say no to Hololive. Maybe Sony paid them upfront. Also maybe they stole a scout from Cover since the talent Sony has isn't bad, they're just not popular.

>>15020930
How the hell did Gura do it? Can't be from her streams, since Pekora has her solidly beat.

Can't be from songs. She only has 2 songs and they were released well after she got 2m subs.

>>15020709
Kizuna finally got to 3 million but no one celebrated because it was a pyrrhic victory.

>>15020984
Going Viral with clips, cuteness, memes.

2 pov for super bunny man lol??? wtf???

>>15020813
there was gura's nintendo direct as well

>>15021022
Pekora has a lot more viewers, yet she doesn't have more clips and memes? How does that even make sense lol?

>>15020929
One the one hand it’s cute but it’s also one of the most annoying songs in existence. 400k would be plenty strong for a meme Xmas carol cover. Oh god. This will be top five for the week at least won’t it?

>>15020984
Bots

>>15020709
same reason why everyday at the same time this thread becomes midget race central to see who surpasses sana, competition is fun

>>15021000
Oh yeah, she's taking an "indefinite break". This is her basically admitting defeat to Hololive.

When's her last concert?

>>15021065
Pekora doesn't use bots

>>15021024
Iroha....koyori.....do you have number.....

>>15020836
Money isn't everything and if you're good there's ton of money to be had in Nijisanji.
My fucking sides
>Not everyone wants their restrictions and dancing.
They are in for the money and guaranteed subs. If they only cared about freedom, they would stay as indies forever
>Also these people have built their entire career there.
Because they joined in early when nijisanji was the dominant force. New vtubers would choose hololive over nijisanji if they passed the audition
>The only way for Hololive to get a former Nijisanji female is if she was dissatisfied and graduated well before she ever had an offer.
Luna lmao
>Same thing with re:act and La+.
Sure, kurone was fired and then suddenly she got selected by hololive because nobody else applied for hololive
>Cover doesn't even want big names, they like people they can control and brainwash.
Noel's roommate isn't a big name, of course retard

>>15021074
>>15021099

If she uses bots, she would beat Pekora's CCV. Can't be bots then.

>>15021091
22nd of February iirc

>>15021024
most likely explanation is sc splitting

>>15020813
Did people already forgot about Ame's gosling? Her chat had 100+ unique names even through it showed that only 20 people watched

>>15021101
Hate not have*

>>15021065
Gura has more arts too
You know Pekora use a lot of bots

>>15021169
she sure does eslchama

>>15021091
Kizuna Ai could have easily inclined if she ditched China and leeched off of Lamy instead. The two of them are clearly close from what we have seen so I don't know why this never occurred to her.

>>15021135
They still have the poorfag mentality. Once they get their first paychecks, I expect the SC hustling to stop for most of them.

>using bots remark
This is usually nijifagsshitposters favorite phrase

>>15021065
An actual serious answer that isn't 'bots'.
Understanding meme culture isn't something that comes naturally to everyone. Fubuki has the knack for it. Pekora's strong points are being a great entertainer and streamer, but her meme game isn't her strong point.
Like on this point, Gura's had y e a r s to hone her meme game and just seems to have that knack for it too. Its one of those intangibles that is hard to put into numbers, but the results are pretty easy to see.

Regarding the Top 5 Most watched Female Streamer race.

Fubuki's hours watched for Q4 so fa:r
>529,335 (Oktober) + 1,354,736 (November) + 3,111,720 (Current Desember) = 4,955,791

Miko's hours watched for Q4 so far:
>1,567,656 (Oktober) + 2,012,217 (November) + 649,902 (Current Desember) = 4,229,775

Pekora's hours watched Q4 so far:
>2,421,054 (Oktober) + 3,200,025 (November) + 1,613,883 (Current Desember) = 7,225,962

Pekora is pretty much guaranteed for 2nd place. Fubuki and Kkatamina are battling for 3rd, whoever lose is most likely going to take 4th place. Miko will have to pray for Poki, Saddummy and Valkyrae to have bad number this month if she want to defend her 5th place, currently she is having a very bad pace.

>>15021000
Ah yes. Stuck at 2.98 for ages, announce 'graduation' and hit 3m soon after. Not the greatest way to hit the milestone.

>>15021142
That was bizarre to see. Her chat was a buzz saw relative to the stated ccv. You could easily see more names scroll than yt said was watching.

>>15021065
It's easier to clip Gura because you don't need an N5 in Japanese + a good video editing tool to hard encode subs.

Also bots, lots and lots of bots

>>15021266
miko what the fuck happened

>>15021297
Already touched on, but moving + wanting to spend time with mom + not wanting to burn out since she wasn't feeling the greatest, especially after what happened last year.

>>15021296
Stop samefagging nousagi, this bots cope is embarrassing

>>15021169
This
Artists are 100% real people
Arts is the best way to measure popularity

First time I've seen Lui drop down to 1k.

>>15021065
I suspect clips and memes are a minor aspect of it. Guras music clips are an entire ecosystem unto itself. She has dozens upon dozens of compilations and karaoke clips including many near or over 1M floating around.

>>15021102
>Sure, kurone was fired and then suddenly she got selected by hololive because nobody else applied for hololive
She wasn't the only one fleeing that dump. She fled in January too. Every other HoloX stopped activities in June-August. La+ was sitting on her ass eating patreon bucks for at least 6 months.
>Noel's roommate isn't a big name, of course retard
Noel is sorta brainwashed and her roommate accounts are just getting bigger by sticking around.
> If they only cared about freedom, they would stay as indies forever
There is a balance. A little bit of exposure is needed, indie hell is a tarpit.
>New vtubers would choose hololive over nijisanji if they passed the audition.
Of course they would, they applied to hololive so they're gonna say yes.
>Luna lmao
No shit, Luna was long gone before gen 4 came out.

>>15021065
Simple. Clipping Gura is easier, don't need to know nip. If you are and ESL clipper, translate it to what ever language is your primary, to double dip. She also has a larger sub base, making it more likely subs who can't be asked to watch a stream/vod to watch your clips. It's all about clipper income she brings anon.

>>15021065
>Pekora has a lot more viewers
Remember every time Gura and Pekora do something similar like the Nintendo watchalong, micra fes, or Mario kart tournament... Gura's VOD straight up beating Peko?

>>15020984
Her debut just happened at the perfect time and perfect place
Then she just ride the explosive debut and fly higher than everyone else

They should be at 20k if they only have 1 POV AAAAARRRGH fucking retards

>>15021375
Nah that’s a common idea but the difference between Gura and everyone else isn’t debut but the months after. Everyone has their debut buff wear off and they settle down into a typical curve. Gura actually accelerated a bit and kep gaining subs at a ridiculous rate long after everyone else’s debuff wore off

>>15021065
she have lots of clips through. Her clips are mostly scenes or moments. Memes on the other hand or also can be considered "vines" like the less than 30 seconds types not much.

>>15019503
Stop falseflagging already, retard

And Sana just beat Selen's median, the gap widens.

>>15021369
Gura has nearly 40 VODs above 1M views
Pekora literally can't compare to Gura

>>15021266
valkyrae is streaming so much because of her contract. she has about 10k ccv but streams so much hours like Amouranth. She might place 3rd

>>15021065
Pekora has a lot more live viewers. Gura has a bigger fanbase. Why is this so hard to accept? Most of the world knows Gura, japs love and are loyal to pekora

>>15021429(me)
*though

>>15021454
I remember she had 90k views when playing among us
What happened to her?
Why she declined so hard?

>>15021436
Oh no no no nijikeks

>>15021442
Except for all the other things in which she not only compares, but beats Gura. VOD cope is all you people have. It's embarrassing.

>>15021507
No game to fallback to basically. Early 2021 GTA and Rust carry her.

>>15021507
Amongus died
Then CCV cull hit right after, alongside EN (NA in particular) opening up
Finally she got mired in drama for peddling some bullshit blue light skin cream.

So nijiEN isn't gonna do any christmas related all members collab or something? They didn't do anything for Halloween other than drunk phasmo.

>>15021460
Because apparently people can't comprehend the concept that there is no absolute top 1
Literally every Holo have a flaw in their numbers. The only correct way to numberfag is looking at it like RPG stats

>>15021442
Gura actually has 41 videos over 1M with 4 more over 975k. And only two of those are songs. She’s a monster among monsters

>>15021541
>>15021442
You fucker stop replying to yourself

>>15021065
>Pekora has a lot more viewers
She did not have a lot more viewers, she has more viewers that can stick to her at the same time

>>15021357
Nice goalpost moving and projection
Vtubers want 2 things: money and/or attention (exposure). Hololive provides 10-20x more of that than the direct competition
People nowadays use being a finalist in a holo audition for their resume to anykara, but nobody uses being a finalist in a niji audition to join hololive.
People apply for both and only accept nijisanji if they don't get selected by hololive

Seeing how well Gura's KING did well after the KING fad was dead just once I'd like to see Gura cover a FOTM song at its height to see what kind of numbers we get out of it.

>>15021596
>have to rely on extra stats to tell you who has more fans
By god its almost like she had twice the subs so obviously twice the fanbase. This is impossible my brain cannot count people as viewers unless they're all watching a live and contributing to a peak

>>15021596
If you need to compare...
Pekora is a better streamer. She's more consistently entertaining and can hold her audience better for longer.
Gura is more 'flash of the pan' where there are really good 'moments', but outside of those her base level of entertaining is weaker and thus more people tab-out/leave the stream.
There's also the fact that Gura's unarchived Karaokes bring in a good chunk of people that wouldn't otherwise show up.

>>15021065
To answer your question, the main reason lie in her content
Her let's play content is pretty tame, she just talking very normally, there's no memeable moment or yabai moment for people to clips. Just compare the content of Pekora clips to other Holo clips, it is much much more tame and will likely not attract tourist's attention which is the main source of views for clips
t.streamwatcher

>>15017996
>VOD views do not matter on the site that was primarily made for VODS (YouTube)
DYRBI

>>15021653
She’s too lazy and covers don’t really make much money. It’s not like she needs exposure. I’m guessing Mori did 90% of the work for their cover

This thread is complete trash at this point so might as well reply
>>15021596
The only thing this chart tells me is that EN chat much more than JP

>thread dissolved into gura/holoen vs peko/holojp for the 100th time
i want out of this time loop

>>15021454
Just checked her playboard, yeah she probably has the biggest chance for 3rd place.

But this also means the Top 5 for Q4 is guaranteed to be these people (Amouranth, Pekora, Valkyrae, Kkatamina and Fubuki)

>>15021732
It's Reimu at it again

>>15021725
That’s the only thing you draw from that graph? Gura being in space in the upper right doesn’t tell you anything? Really?

>>15021690
Let's try to not bring "entertainment" into a number discussion. Entertainment is subjective, some people might find a Holo funny but others don't
It's not a good metric to compare

>>15021691
What is this fucking cope? Pekora is one of the most clipped holos ever, with many many popular moment and clips
Gura is just a clip factory. The difference isnt pekora being weak here, its Gura being abnormally strong

>>15021649
Lain got tons of attention and people tuning in to check her out. She just happened to suck. If she was any god she'd have just as much as a typical hololive member.

>>15021778
I haven't seen that many Gura clips. She tends to be pretty boring. Did you see her meme review? Complete snorefest

>>15021792
>she just happened to suck
And that's why she didn't make it to hololive, bro

>>15021690
And yet they are still viewers. I am just trying to justify who has more viewers so what you said is irrelevant

>>15021855
We don't know if she applied or how many applications hololive gets.

>>15021831
I personally think clippable =/= funny

Toya gold
>Toya gold
Toya gold
>Toya gold

>>15021883
That's nice dear. Quiet down a bit please we're discussing Pekora vs Gura.

>>15021831
Can you not bring this shit into a NUMBER THREAD?

Actually while we are at it. Why does this thread seem to worship Pekora and use her as mascot instead of Gura? I want to know the lore

Why is Reimu so angry right now? At least make a member stream to vent so we can have juicy rrats.

I wonder, has any big vtuber died during the heights of their popularity?

>>15021971
Pekora gets the most golds, simple

>>15021968
Gura numbers are shit considering her sub count. Better?

>>15021971
Because she has the highest live viewer numbers. Watching the daily fight for the highest ccv is the most fun spectator sport for numberfags.

>>15021971
CCV Queen and the bulk of numberfags are from /hlg/, where nousagis were notorious for the exact same thing vs other JP holos

>>15021765
Can you only see Gura or something? Council(except Sana who was on break) and IRyS tower over almost every JP, same with other ENs. Gura being that high is natural considering her popularity and looking at other ENs, did you want me to scream "OMG GURA IS SO HIGH HER NUMBERS ARE AMAZING" or something?

Funny how NijiEN makes every 50k sub intervals a celebration. Peasants.

HoloEN didn't even realize they hit the next x00k if their viewers doesn't mention it

>>15021971
Not only does Pekora get good numbers she's a numberfag herself and actively tries to optimize for the best numbers. She's one of us and probably the best streamer in Hololive because she takes it seriously. Lazy meme shark got lucky then cruised and is on a long slow recline because of it. Hence we like Pekora better.

>>15021874
The company that only releases 1 gen a year where all of its members get top subscribers, viewership and money will get way more applications and harder to get in than one that releases 1 gen every couple of months and gets only 10% of the subs, money and viewership.

Let me derail this thread for a bit. Graph anon can we know how many 10k+ stream does holoX compared to Council?