/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>1508404
I want to know more about the generic anime dad guy and why he is beating female streamers. How does he exist and what is his selling point? Please link me his channel and I will put at least 3 views in the Nijisanji pool.

Blue oni bad

>>1508404
They sell merch.

>>1508404
Soulless character designs.

>>1508718
i would like to know where this statements come from. I belive it for top nijis but dont i dont think it hold true for mid and low nijis.

>>1508404
their views are fine for most. Kuzahu had big incline on those alst month and seems to be going back to regular numbers again.

>>1508404
>No Rin
Did she just give up? Is Kenmochi irrelevant as well?

P.S. I don't watch Niji

Almost every vtuber group is comfortable and have their own dedicated fanbases, otherwise they wouldn't continue vtubing. No one needs holo-lol mainstream EoPs padding their fanbase

>>1508404
Because everyone in Hololive is too rich and talented. They mog everyone in superchat and merch numbers. There's no space anywhere left for any other vtubers. Everyone else can only dream of being as rich and talented as Hololive.

>>1508404
cuantity over quality

>>1508934
gibara didnt.
I think is interesting the diferent work enviroments of both.
Most mid tier holos start at part timers but end up comitting full time, or daily streams. UNless sickness.
Most nijis doesnt feel like they take it that seriously, not sure if its becasue of the amount of them or just niji doesnt push them enoug.

Overated Half-american half-indonesian who likes to bully her viewers despite having no talent compared to her 2 other friends

The clown who has a certain rabbit bgm who cannot even play a game

The sharp chin lolicon whos oshi is his shota senior

The vampire who wants to marry an oil king and play games all day

Anyone else?

Why are you like this?

>>1509177
>play games all day
>games
>s
only one game

>>1508575
fujoshi viewers anon. he pulls in the japanese roasties who are too old to find a good man to put a child in them.

>>1508404
Woah. Kuzuha mogs Mito now. Following Abe-samas dream really worked out for him. Hope Mito realizes that relationships are Japans future

>>1508404
FUCK YOU anon, some of them are better than holos

>>1508404
KUZUHAAAAAAAA!!!~

Kuzu play games other than FPS with his virtual boyfriend though

I mean I love Nijisanji more than Hololive but there are certain livers that I dislike. I barely watch Hololive now except few people because EN fanbase are disgusting as hell

Who else?

A hacker that too lazy he didn't even write description and rarely open superchat (well he got haters becausr of this)

Idiot careless normie blond

Magical girl is cute so I didn't write anything bad

Big face bully

Big face bullied introvert

Her idiot knight

Panda bully that is incredible un lucky

A criminal perverted pre-school teacher

>>1509586
>ESL
>Reddit spacing
>Namefag
Why are you even here? On the bright side this might discourage anyone else from posting in this thread.

>>1508575
Office man? He plays rhythm games and some "retro" games as well as fotm. He played Ace Combat Zero recently which was cool.

A shota whos trap version of him sings better than most females

A Diva that likes to meme repeated jokes

Useless Otaku father and his dragon wife who only likes tea

Their 2 dumb children

One of said children probably eat too much and become fat. She make good videos and anime though

And their overseas branch that rarely given attention

>>1509747
Just as planned ;)

>>1508901
Mito>Kaede>Rin
>>1509239
Kuzuha plays more than APEX, like Tarkov.

>>1509172
Gibara wanted to try another field.

>>1508404
OP, those are big numbers. Other vtuber agencies smaller than Hololive and Nijisanji would love to have so many vtubers like them.

>>1510193
>implying numberfags even understand numbers

>>1508404
>Why are they such failures?
they arent
>Why are their numbers so bad?
they arent
Why they don't have any real talent?
gtfo

>>1510889
What do you mean by that anon

Why is OP such a failure? Why is he wasting his time fishing for (you)s in an anonymous Korean basket weaving forum? Why is he such a faggot?

The cunny unity....

>>1511046
i have no idea what these numbers mean

>>1511075
pic related

>>1508404
I see trying to bait /hlgg/ with numbers is faltering so now you're trying to bait the nijifags

>>1511081
But OP doesn't have a name to filter, otherwise I would.

>>1508688
More like blue oni dead.
The dislike ratio in her last stream is a nightmare scenario for her.

>>1510889
Just checking, but NND doesn't include the number of live viewers right? This is just the number of people who viewed the timeshift?

>>1511431
I'm not sure why you're pushing this dumb shit. Like/Dislike ratio is one of the most minor things affecting video discovery, and it means next to nothing when it's only on a single video.

WAIT, WHAT DID NIJI DO TO ALIEN THE CHINESE MARKET? THEY SHOULD BE SOARING INTO THE BILLIONS OF SUBS

Ars was my first Oshi, but she actually does is play Apex and Minecraft so I moved on.

>>1511558
Yeah, it's a good measure of how many people watched something. Nijisanji's numbers crush Bloom.

>>1510128
i doubt any stopped from doing that and stay as a vtuber

>>1512085
wasnt one paid tough? also in spawn and trending on twitter worlwwide?

>>1512328
All the concerts in there are paid.

>>1512141
whata about worldwide

>>1512354
still not couting spawn tough.

>>1511912
>WHAT DID NIJI DO TO ALIEN THE CHINESE MARKET?
nothing, the chinese market is always a joke

>muh views

I prefer Niji exactly because they aren't as popular as hololive. Seethe. Enjoy your fanbase full of retards.

>>1511912
The Chinese market got a lot more of Cover/Ichikara-like companies and now the attention seems to be going into their own country, also indies like Tia.

It's still a terrible, heavily regulated and flat out bullshitty market which gets poked with a spear every once a month by the CCP, even if the money is a big incentive, it still could backfire hard at any second and one cannot do shit against it.

>>1512107
It's her case considering she doesn't want to go to hololive either.

>>1512946
man bloom was a lot better than i tough, the girls pushing themselves as singers really set them above the rest.
>>1512797
you can barley take the moeny out, and you need to reinvest into the chinese market most of the time. is a scam unles youare manufacturing.

>>1512946
I'm a holofag but I have to kneel to Nijisanji 3D and technology. Cover is shit and this fanbase in reddit and discords act like it's good.

>>1508404
who are these guys? some kind of hololive rip off?

>>1512328
iirc VACHSS stage did get into twitter worldwide trend

>>1514088
im asking becasue both sides seems to throw numbers at random, but cant get a good comparition. The nearest would be NDD numebrs and is missing spawn.
Also asked>>1508896
on the source of the merch statement but no one is able to give me an answer.

I know since i saw on had it that bloom was trending with 300-400k tweets so not sure what were nijifest numbers.

>>1508769
ENTER

>>1514899
That's what happen when you contract indog designers. Only ones with it and they are bad. Well, at least the mid one, the other two look fine to good.

>>1511731
Actually no, what you said is true for videos that get like 15% dislikes, but once it goes past a certain ratio, I think it's 40% but I'm not entirely sure, though algorithm flags it as controversial and stops recommending it to anyone who doesn't actively search for it.

>>1511912
The Chinese Market is a meme that the CCP deliberately dangles to lure in foreign businesses that all too many people sadly fall for.

>>1514795
Nijifest had 301k tweets total over three days.
For comparison bloom had 600k over two hours.

>>1515039
>the other two look fine to good
Are you kidding me? Look at the fucking face ratio

>>1508769
There are a lot of good Niji character designs but they look tend to look soulless in their sea of talents.

>>1515183
i suposed, trouly the worwide market is the way to go for the companies to keep growing as kizuna AI showed initally.
i think nijis 3d can give them the edge over cover but they will need to showcase it earlier with their new talents. Things like NijiEN debuting already with 3ds or something like that.

I like Ange, what about you?

>>1515479
ange is cool, but fuck ARK

>>1509122
Nice try ESL

>>1515394
>NijiEN debuting already with 3ds
Are we going back to the initial rush after Ai proved to be a success? That might piss off fans who are still waiting for their favorite to get 3D

>>1515183
It's as if Hololive is more popular in the west so of course they'll have more people..

>>1515394
He's leaving out that Chinese bots were trying to flood the tag to prevent people from using it. Christ, how delusional do you people have to be to think that not only did they get 550k on day 1, but that they got 850k on day 2. For reference, Nintendo Directs get around 200k tweets across 2 hours. NBA games can grab around 100k across a day. Kpop gets 1m-2m in a few hours, and both vtuber/kpop encourages a lot of fans tweeting multiple times. Do you guys think Hololive is larger than Nintendo, or half as large as Kpop worldwide?

>>1515548
that could be true, but i dont think the upset will be enough to hurth the branch.

>>1514795

>>680472
>"The Nijisanji BD of their concert 18700 yen sold 8,276 units that is around 150 million yen. Their last album they released sold around 30k copies at 3850 yen for around another 120 million yen and those were both released in the same month without even thinking about normal merchandise releases which there are tons of most months."

>>1515394
Ichikara has 6 times more capital than Cover and makes more money than them, that's what >>1511046 means.

"worldwide market" means shit when more than half of the viewers don't bring any profit or the sponsors want you to be popular in your home country.

>>1515756
yes
holofes1 had 400k. holofes2/bloom is post holoEN debut.

>>1508404
sister claire, the same one who keeps doing typing asmr streams every single week, is their top 24? Im kind of surprised

>>1515756
>He's leaving out that Chinese bots were trying to flood the tag to prevent people from using it
the chinese have at max 15k accounts, if going by nga and the taiwanese board that constatly doxxes them. And Nintendo directs don´t trend themselves but the individual anoucnements does. See splatoon,and smash hashtags
>>1515855
where is the source of that
>>1515921
capital is one thing, but overall profits or net income are mistery for these private companies. Sony has more capital than nitnendo but nintendo generates more profit in realtionship to its own capital and assets.
I want to know if there is actually basis for any of both sides to actually say one is making more money than the other or they are just throwing numebrs at each other. becasue Hololive still gets promotions and merch around but nobody knows the real numbers and effect of those, same for niji.

>>1512304
Kek

I don't care about numbers, I watch Nijisanji because they have fun and can be edgy. Still worse than indies because not many members (besides Mayuzumi) check out smaller or just different games, and they're limited by permissions like Hololive. But otherwise, Nijisanji caters to so many different niches, on top of providing entertainment that I can't find anywhere else

>>1512085
Can you source that?

>>1516516
both companies are doing good, i think the surprise is hololive cathcing up and surprsaing niji in some reagrds.
But the talents should be doing good for both. Even with all the permission of thr world they will all still play apex and minecraft only.

>>1516714
Are you retarded?

I love how retards say that popularity isn't quality for games like COD but with vtubers popularity seems like everything.

>>1513588
Anon, my kanji game is shit. What am I looking at here aside from it having to do with cover and ichikara? Profits? expenses?

>>1516923
holocels only care about big internet number for their waifu

You guys should watch Yashiro Kizuku, he plays kino games like Metroid Prime, Megaman X, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, and Ace Combat Zero

>>1516050
とまらないホロライブ and 花咲くホロライブ were used over the course of a month+. Anyone can check the stage1 and stage 2 tweets themselves. You can trawl through by latest on day of and see how many bots there are.

>>1516153
You act like each account can only post once. The Nintendo direct themselves do trend. I was looking at the 2/17 Nintendo direct. The direct itself had 200k tweets, both smash and splatoon 3 had 80k/90k tweets.

Also neither net income nor profit is a mystery. Companies do a press releases for their revenue every year.
https://twitter.com/hamanaka334/status/1366013506877673476
https://signal.diamond.jp/articles/-/527

Cover did $7.5m revenue from 3/2019-3/2020. In a recent interview, Yagoo said they were doing >$10m revenue. Ichikara did $36m in revenue from 4/2019-4/2020. Both grew dramatically in 2020, Cover probably growing more, but they would have needed to grow 5x faster than Ichikara to match revenue.

>>1516714
???????? >>1510889

>>1508688
What the fuck, the like/dislike ratio is extremely bad. Reddit dragon did not even reach these levels

>>1516842
Give the hololive numbers nigger, or btfo.

>>1517319
She poked the hornet's nest when sound leaking into her stream confirmed the longstanding rumor that she's living with Kuzuha

>>1517345
>>1510889

>>1517306
So you dont have spwn?

>>1517434
>>1517460

>>1517306
>revenue
thats the problem my friend
i want net income my dude, thats where the focus is most of the time.
>but they would have needed to grow 5x faster than Ichikara to match revenue.
3 times only, whcih is not impolssible give the absurd growth that cover got after march last year.

>>1517306
>You can trawl through by latest on day of and see how many bots there are
you have at max 20k tweets in the course of 1 week. Not sure why you insist in the bugs making that much difference.

reminder that nijisanji mogs and will forever mog holos in apex tournaments

>>1508575
He's one of the top-ranked rhythm gamers in the world in like two different games and also is pretty smart. I think he's an engineer or a programmer of some sort, and he has some otaku hobbies which he discusses on his streams.

>>1517460
Top is Stage 2, Bottom is Stage 1. Either way, Bloom is the most recent number to compare, if you want to look at an overall picture including SiTR and VtL, it just makes Niji look better.

>>1517567
Gross revenue is by far the more important for a growing company especially if the company is reinvesting into itself. Having to take in profits early is a sign that they've pretty much peaked and are stopping growth to farm profit.

$7.5m vs $36m, where are you getting 3x? The >$10m number is Cover's 2020 revenue. Absurd growth is one way to put it, but you're taking the actual numbers lightly. If Ichikara had grown even 2x since last year, which they've grown a lot more than too, Cover would need 10x growth to match.

>You can have at max 20k tweets in the course of 1 week.
15k accounts, according to you. If each merely spammed 10 tweets, that would be 150k tweets. 20, and it's 300k tweets. I'm telling you they're making the difference, because you're literally claiming that Hololive is punching over 5x their numbers according to other metrics.

>>1508404
I would not call them a failure, they are doing better than most indies so there is that

>>1518299
i think the point is that spawn views are not being counted. With those counted the cover ends up in far better shape given the prices.

>>1518299
>revenue is by far the more important for a growing company especially if the company is reinvesting into itself
wrong, because revenue is before taxes, and prodcution costs.
>the 10M is cover 2020 revenue
how is that true if 2020 fical year finish until april.
>If each merely spammed 10 tweets
then they get restricted if they do it too much 1hr the daily activity for cocos tags is 1k-2k even with bots a day , they are 150 people at most by the users of nga and the 15k are back up accounts hence why they constantly post if they are shadowbanned or not to not burn them all, They are not making a difference on the trends. The twitter numebrs when the events occurs are legit.
If they could go and do 100k tweets a day they would have already done it on cocos tags.

>>1517430
Pekora and Roberu are living together since they are siblings

>>1508575
Yashiro is the relatable streamer, like his Captain Tsubasa talk is resonating toward people who grown up with it and same to his general Anima and Manga stuff.
He is generally good at games, especially Rhythm games like Beatmania IIDX and Project Sekai. So good that people actually pin point his Roommates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf11ctcEk20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVEMyI6rWQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5aWwPxR7lc (No ENG sub, but it shows his skill at game)

>>1518299
>>1517306
>Cover did $7.5m revenue from 3/2019-3/2020
that is just the last quarter of 2019-2020 not the full year
We havent gotten that quarter info since a while

>>1508404
>Why are their numbers so bad?
They're in the hundreds of thousands each. That's actually pretty good. Their subscriber counts are close to where Hololive was last year.

>>1518789
>i think the point is that spawn views are not being counted. With those counted the cover ends up in far better shape given the prices.
The price of stage 1+2 ticket is 11k yen. The price of full admission for all the Niji concerts is 30k yen. I'm not sure what you mean by "far better shape". The question is, why count spwn views when you aren't counting other Niji concerts either like Inui, Deron, Petit, etc. that happened during the same time.

>wrong, because revenue is before taxes, and prodcution costs.
Before taxes doesn't matter since unless the companies are dodging, they'll be hit the same. Prior to production costs is irrelevant especially when compared to losing out on reinvestment with net, because we're substituting revenue for influence, not profit. If Amazon has negative profit but does $1b in revenue, you're looking at how it's possible for them to do $1b in the first place and how much more they can expand.

>then they get restricted if they do it too much 1hr the daily activity for cocos tags is 1k-2k even with bots a day , they are 150 people at most by the users of nga and the 15k are back up accounts hence why they constantly post if they are shadowbanned or not to not burn them all, They are not making a difference on the trends. The twitter numebrs when the events occurs are legit.
If they could go and do 100k tweets a day they would have already done it on cocos tags.
The number of people obsessed enough to post on cocos tags everyday isn't the same as the number of people willing to ruin a huge event. If they did 100k in a day for a pointless tag, they would probably be banned, which is why you save them to use during an event. Either way, the point is that the number of tweets don't match up to the amount of reach Hololive has, not even to their previous/other tags. とまらない was prior to HoloEN, but it lasted over a few months. 花咲く was after and lasted over a month, yet could only muster 620k tweets. 3d barely gets 60k tweets, the number who watched the concert isn't even close to the number who watch Nintendo directs, nba games, etc. yet has nearly 4x more tweets than the former, and 10x the latter. Whether you want to think it's bots or legit users posting 50 tweets each, that's up to you.

>>1518789
>With those counted the cover ends up in far better shape given the prices
That sounds like some extreme coping.

>imagine have 10x the fanbase because of EOP population and still making less money than japan market
Embarrassing

>>1519161
第4期 is not referring to any quarters of the fiscal year. That specifically would use 四半期, it's referring to the yearly period after the company is established. That report was Cover's 4th year after being established, and they report in July, from March-March. Ichikara reports in March, from April-April, and that was their 3rd year after being established.

>>1508404
>failures
they don't have less EOPs, so idk what you're talking about OP.

>>1508404
The are relevant where it matters.

>>1508769
I get the vibe that the idea that is supposed to be conveyed behind most of the designs is that they are a bunch of successful and cool 20-somethings who hang out with each other and talk. I think this idea inherently appeals more to status-seeking women than the average male vtuber fan.

>>1519273
then count them motherfucker im not telling you to not but the numbers is need to pain a complete picture.
>The number of people obsessed enough to post on cocos tags everyday isn't the same as the number of people willing to ruin a huge event.
dude is the same people, is the same faggots at the same thread
>he point is that the number of tweets don't match up to the amount of reach Hololive has
the hastags were trenign on japan and america they match their reach. it stopped trending after the 2 dasy even if it was used by some people still. That you dont follow them is not my issue. Hololive is kinda known in the west thats all there is to it.

>>1519273
>>1519655
>Before taxes doesn't matter since unless the companies are dodging, they'll be hit the same. Prior to production costs is irrelevant especially when compared to losing out on reinvestment with net, because we're substituting revenue for influence, not profit
nigga what the hell do you mean influence when was the last time you see influence on a financila report.
> If Amazon has negative profit
it means they are overspending and doing shit wrong hence the change they do on 2014 and 2015 that lead them to shatter record evey fucking year since them. And no amazon didnt become reach becasue of his sells and amzon shipping.

Hololive is managed by monkeys huh? shouldn't they be making more, or is the western fanbase this irrelevant?

they're doing pretty well in her own region, if u looked at their h-manga more better than hololive, (except marine)

>>1519880
Just look at FGO's revenue, the japan market beats all of EOP markets combined, 3rd world monkey like SEA, spic, hue's numbers mean jeckshit

Does anyone have the chart that showed the total streaming hours for games for niji?

Mikoto took down her Ao Oni video, how many dislikes did it have?
>>1521067
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAHorICt-TU

>>1521642
I mean total hours by game, not members. There's an image that I've seen a couple times but I can't find it in the archives.

>>1521067
Honestly I think one of the great things about Niji is that even when people are concentrated around a few games there are almost always alternatives to watch if you aren't interested because of how many members there are. Most of the time when you see people complain about it all being Apex or whatever there are a lot of those streams going on but then there are also plenty of members that just do their own thing.

>>1521718
I'm not making any judgements about it or anything, I just figured this seemed like a niji numberfagging thread and I've been looking for that chart for a few days so maybe someone in here would have it

>>1512444
>Worldwide
Hololive can have all the third world retards for all I care.

>>1517306
Isn't Cover's ち当期純利益 "net profit" bigger than Ichikara's?
it's 168000 for Cover and 32435 for Ichikara, unless I'm reading something wrong.

Do you think Nijisanji can blow up in the western vtuber sphere like hololive, or have they missed their chance?

I watch both Niji and Holo but they don't need to pander to EOPs to just get views and meaningless subscribers.

One thing I hate with niji is many of they are a bit too much into Apex garbage.

>>1519880
>is the western fanbase this irrelevant
It always has been.

>>1509586
Kys tripfag

>>1522454
Yeah it is but to be honest these figures are kind of meaningless regardless of what "side" you are looking at it from. When you actually think about it these companies can more or less arbitrarily set that figure when deciding how and what to spend their revenue on. So if you decide to invest a lot of your revenue back into your business to improve the product and grow rapidly you can easily end up with profit figures that don't look particularly impressive while infact being extremely healthy.

>>1522475
Its hard to say, but at current trajectory they won't. They are going to need to make a huge splash, but I don't think the groundwork is there.

The main reason HoloEN made a huge splash is because the thriving clipper AND interested EN communities already exited, and the debut just extended that somewhat.

Niji ground is nowhere near as fertile in the West yet.

Then you have the general dislike from Niji fans for English speaking peoples entering the chats. Of course you see that for both on /jp/ and to an extent on /vt/ but it extends to the regular streams for Niji too, which will be a huge filter for getting an EN fanbase, when the existing fanbase is hostile.

>>1522475
Its hard to say, but at current trajectory they won't. They would need to make a huge splash, but I don't think the groundwork is there.

The main reason HoloEN made a huge splash is because of the thriving clipper AND interested EN communities that already existed, and the debut just extended that somewhat. Niji ground is nowhere near as fertile in the West yet, despite the efforts, and the timing is sort of bad with people getting back to work and the vaccine being distributed. Then you have the general dislike from Niji fans for English speaking peoples entering the chats. Of course you see that for both on /jp/ and to an extent on /vt/ but it extends to the regular streams for Niji too, which will be a huge filter for getting an EN fanbase, when the existing fanbase is hostile. Of course this will be framed by fans as not mattering, as Japan is everything, but Hololive has been expanding in the Niji dominated Japanese market as well, so it just sounds like cope.

>>1511431
Why does only she has to suffer?

>>1523020
I don't really think that whole narrative about general dislike from Niji fans for English speaking in chat is true. Actually watching them and seeing the ones that get a significant amount of it most of the reaction I see from Japanese that touch on the subject in chat is positivity, helpfulness and people generally happy that people overseas are enjoying the same thing as them. Of course if you go to some place filled with tribal shitposting like 5ch which is already filled with right wing types to begin with you will see people disliking foreigners when doing so gives them something to discount the success of the other side.

>>1522454
Yes you are. Ichikara's data is from 2019 while Cover's is from 2020. Only retards who can't understand numbers fell for this comparison.

>>1523690
The way I am reading it the one in the tweet linked for Ichikara and the first image in the previous tweet in the thread for Cover are from the same financial year. Then the second image in the previous tweet in the thread is an old year for Ichikara people tried to compare with before?

Westerners only pay in exposure. This will and always will be a japanese only fad

>>1508404
This is why i hate coverniggers

>>1512141
>related queries
>ホロライブ 炎上

>>1525316
anti thread is the 5th one for nijisanji

>comparing subscribers
not surprised that EOPs are unaware niji's china branch has 2 livers well above gura
https://space.bilibili.com/282994
https://space.bilibili.com/11073

>>1519743
Influence was probably a bad word, market cap might be more concrete, not that there is one for a private company. But basically how much can the company be reasonably expected to grow, and how large of an audience they can reach if they try to turn a profit.

Amazon only started posting huge profits in 2017. Also “huge” relative to their revenue. You can find any number of articles listing why Amazon’s net profit is low on purpose. Thinking “they’re just overspending and doing shit wrong” is dumb. Imagine thinking that offering free shipping didn’t help Amazon at all.

>>1523915
You’re correct. The ones from a prior year are in the first image, but the ones in the tweet have the same year numbers, just off by a month. Cover’s profit that year was $1.68m, and Ichikara’s was $324k. Nearly 20% of revenue that they just sat on.

>>1510128
Gibara will return as a holo

>>1508404
You're comparing it to Hololive which had the benefit of free international advertising from clippers.

>>1512783
disliking a product for its fanbase is one the most retarded things I have seen

>>1525452
Bilibili won't work for me.
Who are they and how much subs

>>1526383
280 million subs and 261 million subs, both from Nijisanji chinese branch.

>>1526383
VR Star just adds existing already popular people into VR.

Yousa at 2.88m subs.
Hanser at 2.62m subs.

>>1518798
Got any evidence for this rrat?

>>1520413
Gacha is a completely different case. And are you really happy that nips are utter retards throwing hundreds of $ on a picture in a phone game? No other country is this autistic when it comes to gacha.

Besides Cover has just one EN generation. Only 5 people and they are already making a very significant revenue. Kiara, Gura and Mori are usually in top10 monthly revenue.

>>1512141
Niji has way more members. Other than Tokyo Ghoul no other Niji is comparable to top Holos.

>>1526709
People everywhere are burning money in "gacha" be it Fifa or shit like overwatch

>>1524843
Holo EN proves you completely wrong. Not only are they close to japanee Holos in superchats they also have way more memberships than average japanese Holo.

>>1525452
Bilibili numbers are not reliable.

How many Nijisanji members are there?
How many are actually relevant?

>>1526783
Lootboxes are not the same as .jpg in a crappy phone game. FGO is so popular only in Japan. At least other countries waste money on decent games like Arknights or Genshin not a complete joke like FGO.

>>1526806
i could say the same for eop padding

>>1526877
After Taiwan shitstorm bilibili Vtuber numbers are unreliable as fuck. They get inflated to show that evil Cover fucking off from glorious China was a good thing and awesome nationalistic Vtubers are doing way better then ever before.

>>1526844
About 150.

About 5.

Only Kuzuha is really relevant.

>>1526936
again, i could say the same for eop padding. also the views and clips don't lie. you're over imagining the inflation.

>>1526956
And yet plenty of those irrelevant members get to be a part of events seen by hundreds of thousands of people, participate in live events, have their character on products in stores nationwide, get on the television, have their own radio shows, release albums.

chink bugs are trying so hard to be relevant when nobody gives a fuck about it. sooner or later, niji will also be fucked up by chink insects.

>>1527105
I've been watching Nijisanji for almost 2 years and half and I think the same, the pullout from China is going to hurt Ichikara a lot and there is going to be a pullout, China is more retarded each day and their demands are crazier and crazier
>>1526956
Retard just look the live numbers, there are like 5 of them that score over 10k, but 5/8k is huge for any streamer

Is Kuzuha really shacking up with the blue oni girl?
If so, damn, good for him

>>1508404
>Why they don't have any real talent?
Do you even fucking watch them beyond just ~5 clips? They are full of real, good talent. Does creating a 3D piano model from scratch on stream and then playing a real piano while the 3D piano is animated on stream with every single keystroke shows not count as talent? Why do you spread all these lies about Nijisanji? Because they're not the company you swore loyalty to? Fuck you.

>>1509122
>cuantity over quality
And fuck you too. This kind of opinion is only made by faggots who take a look at Nijisanji's high roster of streamers and then jumps to conclusions that "lots of people = low quality" without actually giving them a chance.

>>1516153
Idk about the BD, but source for the album would be Oricon (https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/m/2020-10/p/2/ + https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/m/2020-11/p/5/ ≈ 32k). Furthermore, Oricon doesn't include the sales from Nijisanji's own site, where a considerable amount of people bought it on since it came with a limited bonus CD.

>>1511083
I miss it already... then again, I didn't expect much from a thread where the OP is just bait for numberfags, I'm just waiting for more cunny threads

>>1528225
https://web.archive.org/web/20201105031904/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/bd/w/2020-11-09/

>>1528190
>lots of people = low quality
Yeah, people don't really use the Quantity vs Quality phrase properly. The whole "quantity vs quality" makes sense if you are choosing between getting to eat 5 cookies vs 1 cake. Where in the "quantity" scenario you get the entire quantity, but here, at the end of the day you are most likely looking for ONE person to watch, it's not about watching all Nijis vs all Holos. You just watch the one person who you feel has the best quality (whether that be from Niji or Holo)

>>1526736
t. someone who only watches holo

>>1508404
Nothing to do with their talent, the lack of translated content spelled their demise.

>there are nijiniggers with less then 10k subs

LMAOing at your company senpai

My oshi is still Claire and idk what the fuck you say about her numbers.

>>1526782
that didn't prove anything you ignoramus. This is like saying NFL is better than hololive because it has better ratings and more viewers

STOP BULLYING NIJISANJI!!!

>>1529997
TSUKINO MITO IS 100000% BETTER THAN HOLOSLUTS!!!

>>1525881
>Cover’s profit that year was $1.68m, and Ichikara’s was $324k. Nearly 20% of revenue that they just sat on.
So that's why niji's 3D becomes better than holo huh

Revenue releases
https://twitter.com/hamanaka334/status/1366013506877673476

Yagoo
https://signal.diamond.jp/articles/-/527

Capital Stock
https://p2y.jp/nijisanji-ichikara-the-capital-has-exceeded-2-6-billion-yen/

Superchat to profit
http://blog.livedoor.jp/eientei/archives/51892518.html

Cover's profit
https://gamebiz.jp/?p=271720

Ichikara's profit
https://gamebiz.jp/?p=289969

Holoshill fired for writing slanted articles
https://p2y.jp/notice-of-contract-cancellation-with-some-writers/

>>1530620
Rather than slanted articles, he was fired for spamming sub celebrations of Hololive members while making comparisons to other vtubers, specifically Akari and Luna rather than any Nijisanji member.

>>1518803
That first vid just reminds me that Matsuri is such a blessing.

>>1527207
Well yes, they are trying to remove all foreign entertainment, and they will do the same to ichikara, 1 way or another. Either by coopting virtuareal away from ichikara, or throwing them out wholesale.

>>1530021
meds

>>1527207
>>1531923

Imagine thinking that this will happen when VR is it's own thing despite being a joint project.

>>1526285
How is that not what numberfags are doing ?

>>1526736
There's a lot of Niji with less subs that have more views than top holos like Matsuri, Noel, Kiara, Calli and many others.

>>1515479
>>1515539
Yes Ange good
Ark bad

>>1512304
now this is funny, saved

>>1527044
>again, i could say the same for eop padding. also the views and clips don't lie. you're over imagining the inflation.
EOP "padding"? The fuck are you going on about?

>>1525881
>You can find any number of articles listing why Amazon’s net profit is low on purpose.
it really didnt. They stopped investing hard on amazon shipping and focuses on the real money maker wich was cloud services with AWS after 2015.
If you are spending or investing without having profits then your influence dimish and your investos leave hence the stock drop on 2014,2015.
Net profit in realationship to your invest and caoital is what makes investors spend on you.
Hololive got tat growth rivaling ichikaara while having half the talents and size.
AN dif yago is telling the true about doubledigits 1B revenue for thisyear then they are doing a lot better than ichikara, asumming ichikara hasnt imporved her net profit ratio.
The again i dont fucking know wy this threadis comparing money when is obvious the talent dont benefit from thta part to grow.
>>1527207
just like ichi is copying holo know they should copy them on getting out of the market.

>>1540455
The number of EOPs that subscribe to hololive but only ever watch clips. You can verify that from the low subscriber to view ratio.

>>1541671
Roboco has nearly as many subs as Mito but averages viewers lower than a 150K subs Niji member(Hisui)

>>1541671
>You can verify that from the low subscriber to view ratio.
that is the neautral process of any big youtuber, watches dont increase with subs directly is diminishing for most regular contnet HOWEVER it guarantess apeparing in more people subboxes and for short videos it shows as even matsuri can get like 800k views a day by dropping a pair of those in 2 days.

>>1541753
RBC gets weekly 670k views a week
Hisui gets 400k a week
Unless we talk about live views but that doesnt paint a full picture.

>>1510128
I Dunno man, i can understand that but i have also heard that same thing for Youtubers that retired from content creating to try some other stuff but end up returning as Vtubers, like Valkyrie Aurora

>>1511431
What did she do to get those ratios?

Is this just another numbersfag thread?

>>1542635
the biger fanabse bullies the smalles one.

>>1508404
They don't have the same community of clippers as Hololive does, and they don't have an English branch, so EOPs don't have any exposure to them. I've heard it's run more like a traditional idol agency and doesn't give their talent as much freedom to be funny meme machines like Hololive does, so that might have something to do with it.

>>1526431
man != million you dumbass chink

>>1542608
It's possible she'll come back to vtubing, but considering she indicated it's not what she wants for herself, it'd mean she failed at her dream career. I don't want to see her return any time soon, I'd much rather find out she successfully pulled a Chitose.

>>1542772
>I've heard it's run more like a traditional idol agency and doesn't give their talent as much freedom to be funny meme machines like Hololive does
You've heard wrong, it's entirely the opposite. Nijisanji gives their talent much more freedom in content and scheduling than Hololive does, to the point where you have nijis who treat it as a part-time job or even just a hobby, and stream only once a week, or even less in some cases. Vtubers at Nijisanji bear more responsibility for themselves, as the management isn't pushing them to stream that regularly or play any particular role, but if they find a good niche for themselves and have the drive, the management will help them make it good. Nijis tend to specialize more when compared to Hololive -- their singers sing more, gamers game more, performers frequent 3D collabs and so on. Dedicated idols are rare, especially considering Nijisanji employs male talent and doesn't segregate them from the girls. That'd never fly in a traditional idol setting.

>>1543315
>only once a week, or even less in some cases.
ayame
>Nijis tend to specialize more when compared to Hololive -- their singers sing more, gamers game more, performers frequent 3D collabs and so on.
seems the same as any other comany since they all make their own niches and styles. Is an entirely subjective statement you are saying there. niji is just as corporate as any other company.

>>1541448
I'm not even sure if I should bother responding to a most this moronic at this point. Why are you making up information easily googleable?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/266288/annual-et-income-of-amazoncom/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20online%20retail%20platform,than%20386%20billion%20U.S.%20dollars.

They started putting up huge numbers in 2018, mb not 2017. 2016 and 2017 are barely 20% of that, 2015 even less. Amazon's move to focus on AWS to turn a profit and increase share price has no relevance on whether or not they have an increased ability to gain potential profits. You CAN both get high profits while continuing to increase revenue, the comparison has anyways been whether or not you could have increased revenue even more through reinvesting those profits.

https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/8/21/20826405/amazons-profits-revenue-free-cash-flow-explained-charts
https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2014/9/4/why-amazon-has-no-profits-and-why-it-works
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/technology/amazon-earnings.html

Literally the only thing you said here that was correct is that Amazon makes its profit off of AWS.

>AN dif yago is telling the true about doubledigits 1B revenue for thisyear then they are doing a lot better than ichikara, asumming ichikara hasnt imporved her net profit ratio.
Tell me how I know you didn't even read my previous posts. You're conflating revenue and net profit again for no discernable reason, and you're ignoring where people have pointed out that double digits 1b revenue is a mistranslation from google. He said they're doing double digits millions in usd, so from $10m-$99m, and you don't usually use 2桁 if you're on the latter end of that range. I literally stated that Yagoo said they were doing >$10m, and Ichikara was doing $36m. Unless you think Ichikara hasn't grown their revenue at all, and Yagoo is being real generous with his double digit phrasing "doing a lot better" than Ichikara is beyond hyperbole.

>The again i dont fucking know wy this threadis comparing money when is obvious the talent dont benefit from thta part to grow.
Why are you handwaving the relationship between the company and the members? Unless the member has a revenue share of merch, they don't directly benefit from it monetarily, but growing your audience absolutely benefits your growth. If you get a 3d, costumes, live performances, etc. people are encouraged to watch. If you have your character plastered on merch, you get more name recognition.

>>1543560
Well Nijisanji seems to be laissez-faire to the point that Kataribe, despite only has 3 streams in her entire life time (3 years), yet is not graduated/kicked and still has merch related to her released in the recent Nijifes. Of course Ichikara is corporate, but they operate differently from Cover is all

>>1543560
Ayame streamed 4 times last week, once the week before that, twice 2 weeks before, and 7 times the month before that.

What that guy is talking about is more like
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUzJ90o1EjqUbk2pBAy0_aw/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRWOdwLRsenx2jLaiCAIU4A/videos

>>1543560
>ayame
The exception that proves the rule. Ayame has chronic health issues and is sometimes unable to stream. When she can stream, she puts in plenty of hours in one go, see her recent back-to-back Apex marathons. They're all still contractually obligated to stream a certain amount of hours a week. Meanwhile, Nijisanji has Gilzaren, who manages a stream every three months because he's busy watching the others (and apparently providing tech support for them). Or Kataribe, the ghost who hasn't streamed in three years, but is still employed and for all anyone knows could just suddenly start streaming again any minute now. Or Roa, who's been on a hiatus for months, but is known to have kept busy behind the scenes, helping organize Nijisanji's live events.

>seems the same as any other comany since they all make their own niches and styles. Is an entirely subjective statement you are saying there. niji is just as corporate as any other company.
I don't think you really understood what I meant. Yes, everyone has their own niches and styles, but holos go for personalized takes on a very similar range of content they all share: games, karaoke, zatsudan. Few of them are that impressive at any one thing. They have some good singers, and Aqua is pretty good at Apex, but that's about it.

Nijisanji's gamers may not do karaoke at all and roll zatsudan into their gaming sessions; their singers may not play much outside of Minecraft and just do tons of karaoke streams instead; their performers host 3D collabs much more frequently, and certain talent tend to show up almost invariably in them (Sasaki Saku in their regular 3D sitcoms). Whether or not they're corporate has no influence here, except when it comes to limitations on the games they can play.

>>1542772
You're being dumb, you had Matsuri and Towa complaining they have troubles getting the okay to play the Apex tourneys because they have to mingle with boys, they kicked Huke from the MC server because idolfags didn't like a boy there, Coco mentioning they keep toning down her content, Haato's series being discontinued, they literally pretend the males in their group don't exist. They really push the idol crap, and all the the Hololives essentially produce the same content and fill the same niche; anime idolgirl doing cute things with some small variation; Nijisanji does have various niches in comparison, there is no reason to expect some guy that started watching Nijisanji because of say Kuzuha will like their cute anime girls like Alice or Hayama, or Utako talking about porn, or Tomoe giving serious relationship advice, or the various people whose main focus is on music, or Joe's rakugo, Hayato or Yashiro playing Yugioh or Magic, Kanda being a Kamen Rider or mecha nerd, Luis or Mirei focusing on Mahjong(RIP Sio), Mito's real life experiences, Fumino Tamaki being her;
Hololive really is just soulless and sterile.

>>1544266
>believing Ayame has chronic health issues

>>1545096
I'm just being a good, courteous little nijinigger here. Hololive's fanbase is very mainstream, and mainstream audiences tend to go for the Reddit approach of beating the ever living fuck out of a long-stale meme. I'm fully aware of the boyfriend/whore rrats, I just don't think they're worth repeating for months on end. Used to be a dead horse on that patch of barren ground you're beating.

>>1544544
>there is no reason to expect some guy that started watching Nijisanji because of say Kuzuha will like their cute anime girls like Alice or Hayama...
I agree with the rest of your post but what does this mean?

>>1544085
>>1544116
>>1544544
that just tell me the girls prefer dong hololive than whatever else they could do.
im not sure how "he hasnt streamed in 3 eyars but still in contract" is painted in a good or bad light. Cover has never punished anyone for not streaming.
>>1544266
>but that's about it
thats sucha hard generalization that invalidates whatever makes them unique as entertainers and persons. Like this guy>>1544544
All of those exmaples exist for hololive memebers. They all have pushed the boundaries of their corporate freedom to let themselves known and let people know what they are good at.
Such a bad take.

>wah my vtuber company is better than your vtuber company
I love both hololive and Nijisanji. Fite me faggots.

>>1512304
nice baitpost, will maybe remove some of the weak newfags to nijisanji, the kind that never heard about prerecorded and pre-rendered concerts vs. actual dance lessons

>>1546433
The left is dance lessons and the right is pre-recorded? Why would anyone taking dance lessons dance like the right? They should fire whoever their dance coach was if he taught them to dance like that.

>>1512304
ah, that time when they hired dancers, why nijisanji is so soulless

>>1546120
>that just tell me the girls prefer dong hololive than whatever else they could do
Sure. Frankly, many of them are introverts and troubled in ways that there's little else they could do that could bring them such success. Same goes for the Nijisanji, with the exception of some, like Chitose and Gibara, who choose to try and find success in other fields using what they've learned as vtubers.
>im not sure how "he hasnt streamed in 3 eyars but still in contract" is painted in a good or bad light
It's neither, just how things are handled at Nijisanji. Keeping an idle talent on the roll costs them virtually nothing, and they're free to make all the merch of her they want, so why not. Kataribe's ghost status is a meme that's actually slowly earning her subs and notoriety.
>Cover has never punished anyone for not streaming
We can't know for sure if they wouldn't consider docking pay if a talent went dark on them for no good reason, because from what we can tell, that hasn't happened yet. All we know is they have punished trivial mishaps with suspensions, like in Towa's case. We don't know how suspensions and extended breaks like Shion's, Miko's or Mio's, affect their earnings, but likely not for the better. Hololive relies pretty heavily on superchats for their revenue, so they have an incentive to keep their employees active as much as possible, and their contracts have stipulations to such extents.
>All of those exmaples exist for hololive memebers
And you present none, unlike the posts you're replying to. We already agree that a variety of niches and styles exist among all vtubers and companies, but the original point was that many Nijisanji livers lean more into their niches than Holos, whose content and skill sets are more generalist. All talented vtubers push boundaries where there are any to be pushed, but Nijisanji offers more of that corporate freedom right out of the gate. That can be either a boon or a bane for an aspiring vtuber, depending on their creativity and drive.

This wasn't supposed to be a slapfight over whose company is better, just a correction to one anon's misunderstanding and an observation that these companies do things differently, and hire talent accordingly.

Blue oni love. I love her singing streams! She cried a lot during automata! Very cute black dress! MIKOTO LOVE

>>1508404
Numbers have polluted your concept of "success". Obviously more people that watch/sub = more money, But Gura and Ai chan are by far the most popular vtubers, but nowhere near the highest quality in terms of content creation

>>1546349
They're both great

>>1542772
What the fuck are you smoking? Nijisanji isn't anything like idol.

>>1542666
Indeed it is. Can we just get a /ng/ already?

>>1547013
>We can't know for sure if they wouldn't consider docking pay if a talent went dark on them for no good reason
ayame exist, mel exist,hato exist.
>Hololive relies pretty heavily on superchats for their revenue, so they have an incentive to keep their employees active as much as possible, and their contracts have stipulations to such extents.
there is no basis for this, acording to yago their revenue for 2020 was in january already on the doubledhigits of Billions of yens. How much is from merch and superchat there is no way to know without looking at an acutal financial report that shows the source of revenues. And the only sattement we ever knew was that they needed to stream 3 times a week, not even 3 days just 3 times regardless of lenght and such.
>And you present none
Do you want me to spoonfeed you hololive?
becasue you can search for clips is not that hard. Specially having them drool about seires, likes and games. And they telling advices and personal stories is really common many build parasocial relationships with their chat. Hell even koronoe almost cry becasue she had to do memeber only chat for the among us collab and felt sorry about her noe memebrs fans.

But if poeple want to know what is al difference between holo and niji. Is that holos wihtout the management interference since, management are ficling fumb sometimes, marketed themselves as a family on the long run. This a result of dramas cover themselve caused BUT that didn't restrict the girls in showing support for each other.
And the wester love family brands, thats part of the reason their success with eops is so great, they got to witness thos harships togheter with the girls and see their support go trough them or suffer with them.
The image of both companies forge the perception of rats also for hololive are manamegment realted (sabotaging their talent, restrictions, yabais for incompetence) and rats for Niji are talent related (bullyng, sex between talents, interanl rivalry).
You can see a difference in response specially recently with kuzahu who wont say anything about the oni "becasue i work for a company" even tough is confirmed they live together to smilar statement was done by marine when asked about pekora crying and taking a break. or fubuki saying she will go eat takoyaki to cocos house when she was suspended. or kaira and coco talking about reaching hato on recent streams.
They dont address the drama directly but holo girls show support each other publicly and give the idea that they are a family still behind curtains. Regardless that if it is true or not is not important, is the image the hololive talent forged themselves and the west loves that shit.

>>1542772
bruh Hololive is literally an idol agency

>want to give Niji outside of Ars a chance
>ARK ARK ARK APEX
it's all so tiresome

>>1547886
yeah being astreamer in geenral in japan is that

>>1508404
nijikeks... not like this...

Someone said it best in a post in a thread I read before

Nijisanji livers are just livestreamers with anime avatars

Hololivers are more realized anime characters with the idol dream sprinkled in

>>1547886
Tbf, it's ark season now. Come in a month and everything will be normal.

>>1525452
VR Star isn't the same as NijiCN, they're more like "already existing and popular content creators that can use VirtuaReal whenever they stream as a vtuber" it's like if mafumafu's vtuber version of himself was labeled as a niji or holo. It's not a real comparison since they earned those numbers on their own and aren't actually seen as nijis.

>>1548050
You fell for the "Nijis don't do keyfabe" meme huh? Watching any other zatsudan will prove you wrong about that.

>>1547577
You only have 3 examples? and you didn't even point out their niches, Haato even got censored too.

>>1544544
>they kicked Huke from the MC server because idolfags didn't like a boy there
false, he designed for EN and played on the EN server, and then he made impossible items using admin commands & gave it to the streamer
>Coco mentioning they keep toning down her content
because suicide jokes are funny ecks deee
grow up you fucking underage
>Haato's series being discontinued
because making fun of mental illness are funny ECKS DEEEEE

jesus fucking christ

>>1548594
>false, he designed for EN and played on the EN server, and then he made impossible items using admin commands & gave it to the streamer
Kiara said in a zatsudan that this wasn't the reason and it was because he was male. Archive reps.
>because suicide jokes are funny ecks deee
This but unironically.
>because making fun of mental illness are funny ECKS DEEEEE
This but unironically, Twitter tranny. Go cry about it.

>>1548532
>marketed themselves as a family
only like 2 people congratulated Coco 1million subs, most members avoid her, she doesn't even collaborate with the English branch, when Towa had her drama for talking with a boy she didn't collaborate with any Hololive for 2 weeks, but most of all:

Hololive avoids the male members as much as they can, Nijisanji doesn't, how is Hololive giving a more friendlier image among its members? the whole "muh family" argument is the most retarded shit Hololive fans say, they treat several members like shit.

>>1548613
wrong, no one gave a shit about him until people saw the crossbow with impossible enchantment
you better kill yourself now because the world would be a much better place without you

>>1548594
The point is that if Haato wants to do that, and her public enjoys it, what's the fucking problem? Hololive does control their members content much more than Nijisanji, while people argue they're free to do what they want.

>>1548628
>most members avoid her
How can you that after the mungus collab?

>>1548594
making fun of taboo will forever be objectively funny retard

>>1548628
Mean to quote
>>1547577

>>1548645
Just admit you're a newfag and go back. Kiara specified the exact reason during a member's stream. At the very least search on the /jp/ archive before making retarded claims that're easily shown to be wrong.

>>1548651
>>1548658
you are the equivalent of toddlers watching logan paul

>>1517306
>Anyone can check the stage1 and stage 2 tweets themselves. You can trawl through by latest on day of and see how many bots there are.
There were at best 15k bot tweets on those hashtags and that's being super generous. If it was that easy to make a tag start trending that 80 people can do it from their basements then every marketing firm in the world would be doing it.

>>1547577
There are examples of that exact same kind of thing in Nijisanji though. Lots of members who were known to be Roa's friends for example have publicly been supportive of her, still retweet fan art with her, said they are waiting for her return, or said they were working with her behind the scenes still.

Are Holopigs really so sensitive this offends them?

>>1548651
>The point is that if Haato wants to do that, and her public enjoys it, what's the fucking problem?
The problem is that google decided that cartoon suicide is no longer advertiser-friendly and that Hololive had a shadowbanned chuuba and a demonetized one at the moment

>>1516153
>the chinese have at max 15k accounts
You're off by like an order of magnitude, possibly two. At best they have maybe 2k accounts total, and given how many of them get restricted or banned every month the number of active accounts is probably more like a few hundred each month, at best.

>>1548734
>google decided that cartoon suicide is no longer advertiser-friendly
Source? Nijisanji still does it.

>>1548716
No? everyone with a brain knows it's because of youtube's new advertisement guidelines cracking down on cartoon violence and Cover playing it overly-safe as usual

>>1548670
>membering the mentally ill, actual whore
Damn I know holoturds have no standard but this is a new low.
I doubt you know anything about "idol culture" since you're a redditor.
neck yourself

>>1548683
with how much you whine about suicide at 4chan, you sound like an equivalent of logan paul himself.

>>1548774
It's childish to resort to name calling when you're proven wrong, you know. Go back.

>>1548774
just admit you're wrong retard, you're making yourself look more pathetic.

>>1548753
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6162278?hl=en#zippy=%2Cguide-to-self-certification

>You can turn on ads but only brands who opt in will run ads:
>Real-life or dramatized violence that results in serious injury where the aftermath or impact is visible and present such as blood or gore scenes, bones visibly broken.
>A dramatized long-form video content with a short, ultra-graphic violent scene (e.g. a mass killing) or a video compilation of such graphic scenes.
>Definitions:
>“Dramatized” refers to scripted content such as movies or fictional settings including animated content

Somebody tell me why Higuchi Kaede is called Deron?

>>1547577
>ayame exist, mel exist,hato exist.
Yes, they haven't disappeared on us. We know their whereabouts and that they will continue streaming in whatever capacity they can. Still, do you suppose Mel got paid for all the months she was gone? I don't.
>acording to yago their revenue for 2020 was in january already on the doubledhigits of Billions of yens
Fiscal data from march 2020 shows they hadn't hit even a full billion yen yet, the double digit billions is a much later figure from 2021. Some 25% of their revenue at this point was superchat.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/eientei/archives/51892518.html
https://gamebiz.jp/?p=271720
>Do you want me to spoonfeed you hololive?
I'm simply curious, because the original post chain only discussed the differences in the companies' internal functions and their hires. What holos gush about, what makes them cry, what the west loves just don't factor in. Your posts lack basis.
>rats also for hololive
>rats for Niji (bullyng, sex between talents, interanl rivalry)
You believe rrats cooked up on a board consisting primarily of Hololive fans and schizo shitposters. Rrats aren't a Nijisanji thing, they don't have them for Hololive. And naturally, for maximum tribalism, you'd want to portray the competition as inferior across the board, not just on a corporate level, therefore attacking primarily their talent.
>kuzahu who wont say anything about the oni "becasue i work for a company"
Kuzuha's a bit dumb for saying anything at all in the first place, instead of letting the furor die down naturally. This isn't really a big enough yab to bother. However, the full quote gives the idea that he's staying quiet out of respect for his coworkers, not because he feels suppressed.
>even tough is confirmed they live together
Nah, there's no confirmation of any sort from anyone. For all we know they were both streaming at the office, and Kuzuha's voice carried through the wall.
>They dont address the drama directly but holo girls show support each other publicly
Fubuki's display of support for Coco cost her her entire chinese fanbase, as subtle as it was. Still, I'm in complete agreement that what she did was good and proper, and I admire her subtlety. It's just not a trait you can expect everyone to possess, least of all some scatterbrain like Kuzuha. Even then, nijis do show similar solidarity towards each other, such as the VtL fiasco with Chigusa, and how multiple nijis came together to mock the antis attacking her for singing it.

>>1548826
でろ-ん is some sleeping onomatopoeia, she slept a lot in class and got that nickname.
She explains her in some old clip.

Anyone else notice how Nijisanji chuubas have way more (good) games to play than Hololive?

>>1548841
Like?

>>1548841
I've always though that if you think about it the explanation for that seems fairly simple. There are way more of them and they had a much bigger staff until fairly recently. Combine that, you have more members so they are going to have a greater variety of interests and styles, and you have more staff to actually work on getting the shit sorted that they want.

>>1547886
Mito, Shizuka Rin,
Fumino Tamaki. None of them stream ark or apex, or at least not often.

>>1508688
Is it Kazuha fujos or her own fans? It would seem weird that her own base would turn on her considering the shit she openly talks about.

>>1548990
It's mostly just opportunistic anti vtuber fans. There is a significant community of nips on the jap Internet who hate vtubers on principle so whenever blazing report or Narukami or virtual Buddha or whichever nip dramatuber does a story like this they just take the talking points offered to them and use that to harass the vtuber.

>>1548628
>most members avoid her
literally had a collab with 8 persons today
>>1548703
yeah after the debacle not while on it. that the thing. Niji cant shake that more individual image they have than group one.
>>1548750
im based on the NGA posts they do, of course they could brag about lying.
>>1548837
>hey hadn't hit even a full billion yen yet
thats yagos own words on the january interview, referring to 2020 fiscal year and channel reaching 10M subscribers between all.
>You believe rrats
there is a reason i call them ratts, they originate from the perception of the viewers im not saying they are true.
>his isn't really a big enough yab to bother
is not about affecting them kuzahu will come out unscrathce, who knows the other one, is about the image they build with what they say, he mentioning being part of company just kills whatever intend he had with the commentary reagrdless of it is true or not or gives a wrong image. The again you are losing focus, as i said it doesnt matter if there is or not unity on both holoive or niji. Niji simply doest have that image, hololive does. Maybe out of luck or divine intervention but their struggles where up to the view of thousands and thousands were with them during it. And their support for them was showed multiple times as result
It is ironicall the yabs what made hololive being so relatable as a family for the viewers and as a result when one of them incline the rest does with them hence they constantly talk between branches and see each other debuts and all of that.
People saying it was just eops really missed all the things hololive went trough that made for good soap opera. taiwan, demoentization arc, permissions problems, miko sickness, aloe graduation. Yagoo is too lucky.

>>1549071
If people have an image of them as "individual" then its more down to ignorance than anything else. The amount of collaboration they do is nuts.

>>1549071
What image? People say にじさんじあったけぇ all the time

>>1549134
>>1549152
>more down to ignorance than anything else
is marketing, and the hololvie girls did a good one unintentionally probably.
is not about the collabs, or streaming together
is about showing that ALL of them are united when problems happen and doing it on public.

>>1549274
>ALL of them are united when problems happen and doing it on public.
But that happens within Nijisanji too

>>1548628
>most members avoid her
>has had half the members as guests in her meme reviews including the fucking Daisenpai
>had a collab with all the ARK addicts
>several members went visit her during her last break
>she just had a big among us collab today
Why do you lie?

>>1549288
i doubt anything has even reached the level of fuck ups cover casues.

>>1508404
They haven't debut NijiEN yet.

>>1549313
how new

>>1549274
That just you didn't know where to look or even look about it.
Pretty much most people talking about things like Roa or Gwelu firstborn

>>1549313
How does Cover being incompetent to the point the girls have to defend each other invalidate the Nijisanji members backing each other up?

>>1508404
They simply don't have personalities and charisma which can transcend language boundaries

>>1549274
I think it is more just ignorance. The few translators that actually do Nijisanji aren't going around translating the drama and the supportive responses to it for the most part.

>>1549348
>roa
to be honest i dont want to point roa because that was a fuck up that divided 2 userbase and gave niji talents a bad image. That´s why it is one of the yabs that are actually harmful to the perception of the company
>>1549351
the girls did it while beign on the spotlight and was a full year of fucks ups almost every 2 months.

>>1549381
it might sound bad, but i think they should. It is good for them to show talents on their weakest but get trought it. Not so good if its the talents themselves fucking up.
Mikos letters trough months while being in the hospital for exmaple were a buildup for her return stream and same for coco's 800k stream.

>>1548594
hopefully they kick ame from the server for spawning rails and gura for cheating the coral biome coordinates.

>>1549381
>>1549423
I wouldn't said ignorance, it just it got buried.
There's some who translating the drama and it's responses but got buried in sea of fun clip and Holoclip.
>That´s why it is one of the yabs that are actually harmful to the perception of the company
It's harmful because it became repeated Meme in western.

>>1512304
AIEEEEEEE PEKORA-SAN ITS TOO MUCH SOUL I KNEEL

>>1549451
yeah because it put part of the blame on the talent not the management.
That´s actually the kid of yabs people should avoid. i

>>1509177
>likes to bully her viewers
based

>>1549423
>the girls did it while beign on the spotlight and was a full year of fucks ups almost every 2 months.
Do your research anon, Nijisanji was pretty much a black company until Nijisanji Resistance formed. Hololive girls had a similar situation (worse in your opinion) and also fought for change, doesn't mean you should invalidate the effort of Nijisanji's livers.

>>1549575
im not invalidated, this is what you people need to udnerstand. IM not saying there arent real friendship on either hololive or niji.
You say do a research, but thats not the problem the problem is the nitial image they give that would need a viewer to do a research to see it as being a wrong perception.
The perception of a csual viewer of either dramas paint a different view of how united the talents are for both companies. A lot of it is result of trying to bury the drama.

>>1549423
Speaking of sickness, one of the more emotionally touching moments of the entire Nijifes was when Raindrops performed without Warabeda and they shouted her out during one of the songs before they changed the lyrics of the next line of the song to "君の歌声をずっと待っている" and the scrolling comments on screen filled up with support for her while she was tweeting about it all.

Hololive is still a black company by the way.

>>1549820
Who?

>>1549820
Funny how none of the other 50+ artists working with Cover never seemed to have had any trouble with them

>>1549820
No, they're not going to pay you more faggot Mizuryu.

>>1549820
it oculd have been bad for cover BUT he had to let a stream on fucking billi out o f all places and that changed the whole situation agaisnt him.
As i said cover is so fucking lucky sometimes.

>>1549985
I thought that was just a translator and not actually him, was there an actual stream later? I didn't follow any of the later news.

>>1549820
>ask for preferential treatment
>get told to fuck off
>have a hissy twitter meltdown that you end up having to backpedal from because other artists are calling you an unprofessional douche

>>1550027
he let the translator speak for him

>>1549820
>be japanese porn artist
>get obsessed with a 28 year old woman pretending to be an anime pirate on youtube
>spend several hundreds trying to get her attention
>one day Cover approaches you asking if you want to draw an official web manga of your her as part of a multimedia project
>sign up immediately
>the initial reception to the project teaser is overwhelmingly positive
>realize there is a lot of money to be made from this
>despite already singing a contract start demanding a higher pay rate and royalties for the entire project
>get told to fuck off
>throw a massive bitchfit on twitter
>immediately start backpedaling when people start calling you an unprofessional manchild
>your chinese translator suddenly makes a guerrilla stream on your bilibili channel saying how Cover wronged you
>all the chinese spammers rally behind you and you now become the public face of Cover hate
>meanwhile on the other side of the world people are digging through your old stuff and find out you are a Nanking Massacre denier and immediately post that shit everywhere
>end up having to make an apology stream on bili saying how it's all a misunderstanding
>you have now burned all the bridges, ended up in every company's blacklist and everyone hates you

>>1550079
Why can't you guys post like normal, non retarded people?

>>1550091
it's fun

>>1550027
The guy on stream was the manager of his bilibili channel and was relaying stuff from Mizuryu

>>1550027
Yeah, it was his chinese translator's programming getting activated and going full zhang trying to shit on Cover.

Mizuryuu himself later had to do a stream to explain that him implying that the Nanking Massacre never happened and his tweets denying the existence of comfort women were just "misunderstandings"

It was just hilarious to watch the entire situation unfold

>>1550099
It's funny because it's exactly what I thought after about 3 linea of trying to read that

You guys are lying now, the chinese that handles his account didn't confirm anything, only speculated on reasons why Mizuryuu made those Twits.
Also Mizuryuu said that Cover was being shit for half a year now, whatever happened was only the straw that broke the camel's back

>>1550145
People don't care they just believe whatever rrats that make Cover look innocent. See HoloCN as well.

The stream's title was "【看板代播】聊下这次园长和HOLO的事" which translates to "[(Mizuryu Kei's Bilibili) Representative Stream] Discussing this time's matter between Mizuryu Kei and Hololive"
He theorized that the drama was because the contract was set in a way that Cover basically "got it for free" and they were screwing Kei over.

>>1550161

>>1550079
>a Nanking Massacre denier
Pretty based. If he is ready to tell the truth about events like Nanjing, he is probably also telling the truth about Cover.

>>1508575
Yashiro? Massive otaku which means he can cater to other otakus because they can relate. Really good at certain games like beatmania, decent on blind playthroughs of most games.
Co-hosts a successful program called lever gacha daipan along with the bully panda, the older episodes were even translated in english
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO7egHj103U
Had some creative interactive ideas like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66A4FHccg6Y
Also clearly a villain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFEcS8Joso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCcn3KMAGOs
the last video also has an hilarous fanmade animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGVvg_JH1fA

>>1549820
Yagoo led mizuryu to believe if he made a hololive manga he would be allowed to sniff marines asshole, mizuryu then discovered marine was in fact yagoo

>>1550267
Sorry anon, he backtracked on that pretty quick, simultaneously pissing off both his jp and cn audiences, saying that he was misinterpreted and he was going to fix it

>>1550145
From what I'm hearing, this guy isn't even Mizuryu Kei, just a guy talking on his channel? He keeps talking about 园长 (How he's referring to Mizuryu Kei) and how Hololive leeched on his fame, not the other way around. He brought up an example of one of Marine's vods got a crap ton of views compared to normal because of Mizuryu Kei's SC.
He keeps talking about how his chatters shouldn't talk about NGA and wheelbarrow, and to bring it to the "proper" place.

>>1550145
>Also Mizuryuu said that Cover was being shit for half a year now, whatever happened was only the straw that broke the camel's back
See
>>1549975

>>1550376
>He brought up an example of one of Marine's vods got a crap ton of views compared to normal because of Mizuryu Kei's SC.
>He keeps talking about how his chatters shouldn't talk about NGA and wheelbarrow, and to bring it to the "proper" place.
ohnononononono

>>1548716
wtf

>>1550327
Putting the truth out there and then lying when the chinks wnat to skin you alive is still pretty based though. Not as based as ignoring the backlash but based nonetheless.

>>1550462
Backtracking is never based, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>1547886
There's an ARK sengoku, comeback when it's over

>>1550420
Think that's from a live event where they were doing sayonara zetsubou sensei covers maybe

>>1550079
>Nanking Massacre denier
that's just called being japanese, same with pleasure woman denier.

>>1550507
Of course it is. How is lying to the chinks about your racist opinion not based? His antis are absolutely SEETHING right now.

>>1508404
Why are people replying to this weak bait?

>>1550666
problem is when you also piss off your own fanbase at the same time

>>1550742
Being based isn't easy.

>>1549274
>is about showing that ALL of them are united when problems happen and doing it on public.
That is basically idol culture, all of the family and shits

>>1549274
>ALL of them are united when problems happen

If you want to talk about black companies, nothing beats Cover and the cope some people show is hilarious
There's the Mel case, someone involved with Cover stalked and sexually harassed Mel.
She complained to Cover and they didn't take her seriously.
Went to the police, they advised her to stay away from the Cover studio for her birthday event and her 3D debut.
Took a break for a few months, got a lawyer paid by her own pocket.
Only after Narukami exposed all this Cover accepted they fucked up, paid a settlement+legal fees.
Unclear if they removed the offender from the company.
Narukami claimed he's still on staff.

Cover is basically proven to be black, not even 774 managed to do this.

If you ignore all the dudes being treated like 3rd class citizens, Hololive is one big family.

>>1550890
>If you ignore all the dudes being treated like 3rd class citizens
yike

self-explanatory

>>1550973
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifiGfheJ0Bo

>>1511046
>nijisanji has 4x more investment than cover but failed miserably?

>>1551324
you get that image gives a much larger valuation to ichikara as a company as well right?

>>1551324
oh wait did you think the 94.6 number was investment? That's what whoever did this report vaue the company at. The amount of investment is the 26.4 figure that's only 3 times greater than cover.

I don't get this tribal bullshit. I like most Holos and some Nijis. Augusta or Ririmu are great.

>>1551324
Ichikara was a massive company. Cover was a bunch of nobodies when they started.

Nijis are basically just a bunch of streamers with anime avatars. I like some of them and don't give a fuck about most.

>>1512304
left
>soulless
>too much going on
>strains the eyes
>may induce a seizure
right
>soul
>comfy viewing experience
>cute dance
>easy to follow and dance along

>>1555296
>easy to follow and dance along
holofag

>>1555112
>Ichikara was a massive company. Cover was a bunch of nobodies when they started.
I'm not sure where this comes from, but both were startups. Yagoo started with whatever savings he had as a salaryman programmer, and whatever connections he had in the tech industry. Riku was an intern at GaiaX, and dropped out of college to start up Ichikara until they did an angel round funded by http://www.skyland.vc/fund, who usually gives around $500k to $1.5m as startup money.

>>1555112
>Ichikara was a massive company
Ichikara was literally indie startup by bunch of university students while Cover was already backed by corporation