/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://youtubeliveen.soraweb.net/ex/バーチャルYouTuber
>https://mix.live-ranking.com/?keyword=バーチャルYouTuber

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/jwfivCFB

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>78,858: Polka (Hololive)
>61,408: Lui (Hololive)
>37,503: Aqua (Hololive)
>32,896: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>26,019: Marine (Hololive)
>25,547: Choco (Hololive)
>22,119: Lize (Nijisanji)
>21,066: Subaru (Hololive)
>20,789: Hal (merise)
>20,026: Pekora (Hololive)
>19,785: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>17,832: Fubuki (Hololive)
>17,140: Korone (Hololive)
>16,748: Finana (Nijisanji)
>16,486: Fubuki (Hololive)
>15,887: Elira (Nijisanji)
>15,557: Miko (Hololive)
>14,815: Pomu (Nijisanji)
>13,943: Gura (Hololive)
>13,677: Koyori (Hololive)
>13,169: Calli (Hololive)
>12,878: Nene (Hololive)
>12,513: Mito (Nijisanji)
>11,778: Ange (Nijisanji)
>11,737: Inui Toko (Nijisanji)
>11,311: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>11,045: Elu (Nijisanji)
>10,972: Iroha (Hololive)
>10,650: Noa (VSPO)
>10,237: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,173: Chloe (Hololive)

>>17421560
>DONT RESPONDS TO BAITS
>SHUT THE FUCK'D UP THE SCHIZOS
those two things don't fit together

kek

>>17422024
its pretty low saying its his smash tourney

>>17422024
>can't even beat sweaty Apex onion
You should graduate him Susan

Long time reader, first time poster here. Hey anons
>if the cull is real how come my oshi is inclining?
CULLBRAINS BTFO!
[bait #436, replace before posting]

>>17422234
>implying bait response
(Insert seething here)

>>17422117
>>17422206
I'm talking about the poll numbers and the engagement rate

>>17422395
i know, i saw his ccv when i checked for myself and thought they were a bit low for a smash tourney that he's hosting

10 hours left before sales end for these two.

The peko bowl brings in numbers.

Holy shit it took Ina 10 mins to recover her 3.8k waiting room.
It's getting worse and worse.

>>17422634 (me)
Forgot this one ends soon as well.

>>17422495
Reclining maybe?

>>17421691
>HoloJP: 16
>NijiEP: 8

>HoloEN: 2
>NijiEN: 3

ENkeks???

>>17422773
The collab hashtag was full of people buying the bowl

>>17422773
I imagine the sponsor is happy with their sales.

>>17423128
Shut the fuck up~

>>17422853
Which collab was this one? The steak one?

>>17422634
Where do you see these stats?

>>17421691
FINANA GOLD!

>>17422634
>heimin
A fanbase with small pockets and small hearts. I guess this is Kanta's true power without any blood to suck.

>>17421691
Olympics gold medal: Polka (Hololive)
Special Olympics gold medal: Finana (Nijisanji)

>>17423785
Yeah it's the steak one with that one restaurant.

>17424282
>17423128
Lol Nijidiots are so desperate for attention

>>17421691
As usual, Hololive wins the day.
No wonder nijilosers are so persistent with the shitposting and cherrypicking

>>17423332
90 bucks for a bowl of literal carrots. The power of the rabbit. I know it’s a nice understated bowl but still

>>17424284
The restraint came out like bandits right? They sold out soon after lunch IIRC.

>>17424748
The bowls were autographed AFAIK

>>17424831
They had a line going out into the streets for the restaurant collab, had to end service early.
Some anon said it in a previous thread, sponsors are finding out that collabing with Hololive prints money.

>>17424866
You get a nice bowl autographed by Pekora. 4000 yen is cheap.

#大神ネルセウス is currently #2 trending in Japan, Fubuki and Asacoco before her did a hell of a job to make sure that Hololive members can incline from oversleeping of all things

>>17421691
I was sure Gura had reached 14k

>>17425488
>ku100
oh shit, i might watch green lamy now

>>17425488
>17k watching NijiEN
>only 7k watching Inners
Rumao, Yagoo must be shaking in his boots at the absolute mogging

I wonder how long until the seaschizo starts replying to his own lazy baits

>>17425456
Miko got #1 worldwide a month and a half ago for being 4 hours late.

>>17425488
Holobros...
I dont feel so good

>be an """ASMRtist"""
>be bad at it
>barely 7k views for your new mic stream
>only 143,545円 in SCs
Fauna was such a mistake.

>>17426826
Fauna made a one crucial mistake and that made her not blow up

>>17426924
She'd be a fucking failure either way. Her lack of talent is what damns her, not [REDACTED]

>>17427009
She could literally be EN Lamy though and have her crazy gachikoi audience to make her rich

>>17427009
Bit of column a, bit of column b, it's certainly no coincidence that her and Mumei have the least superchats in EN

>>17426676
>Two mid tier EN members dominating #1 and #2 spot currently
>Not feeling so good
Why anon? Do you want Gura to stream publicly too so HoloEN will both dominate 3 current top spots and get more viewers than a massive full branch collab?
Don’t be mean, our nijifriends are people too…

>>17426826
>>>>>>>>>>>>barely 7k views

>>17427130
>all Lamy does is be pretty and do ASMR
No. Just no. Fauna doesn't have the skill to bounce off a crowd, stream all hours of the day almost every day, and wouldn't foster a parasocial relationship. It's not fucking easy to be Lamy.

>Gura just has random almost finished cover recordings lying around and never released
Imagine if we could fuse youtube algorithm's love for this woman with Pekora's drive to grind game streams and Suisei's song release autism.

>>17427514
NijiEN posters are the only ones schizo enough to try and go total branch views vs total branch views because they know with how many waves Niji releases they'll win eventually

>>17427554
>It's not fucking easy to be Lamy.
Then why a lot of anon want to be lamy?

>>17427706
It's not schizo, it just flies in the face that the branch isn't growing in regards of viewer base. You don't like it brought up because it flies in the face of typical assertions that Niji EN is on the decline.

>>17427706
i meaan there's like 400 nijiJPs and they still get blown up by the total holo number most nights

>>17427554
I think the reason why none of those things are happening is because of THAT, but sure. Being as hardcore as Lamy is hard.

Not the Councilschizo and I also don't think that they're the failure that so many retards keep trying to bait everyone with here, but they definitely underperformed. That leads me to believe that, even accounting for Sana's Nepotism hire, either one of three things happened.
>HoloEn used a different scouting team than the one that recruited myth
>HoloEn kept the same scouting team but they became overconfident with Myth's success.
>HoloEn, regardless of whether it was the same scouting team or not, couldn't find people who are talented enough while not being absolute menheras or yab machines.
Keep in mind that the scouting team is probably seperate from the actual people who calls the shots for HoloEn. And to the dumbasses who think that NijiEN would've made it, don't fool yourself. The fact that they're getting overshadowed by Luxiem almost at the outset is the only evidence you need to know that they're scouts aren't the greatest. Also, Ethyria is a thing. Personally, I hope it's the first one that caused the problem instead of the other 2 because the implications of it being anything but option 1 would be damning either for HoloEN managemnt (#2) or the EN Vtubing scene as a whole (#3)

damn, the schizo seems really lonely today lol

>>17427832
>NijiEN has 20,001 livers each getting 1 viewer on their stream
>Gura is streaming Project Diva to 20,000 viewers
>OMG NIJI HAS MORE VIEWERS!!!! INCLINE!!!!!
This is how retarded you sound right now.

>>17427832
I could not care less about your incline or decline, but when you assert you're somehow dominating or on the rise because the sum total of every single vtuber in your branch is barely beating 2 EN holos, you sound retarded.

>>17427706
They win for abot 3-6 hours per day. That when either no holos are streaming or when only a couple of small holos streaming. Otherwise holo gets the dead hours and primetime. Maybe except for niji events kek.

>>17427921
Naw, people aren't magically different because of THAT. It takes skill and certain degree of disposition to be a gachikoi monster. I don't feel that with Fauna. Also Fauna feels so fake, I've never seen her show a real emotion. Lamy shows those often.

nijisea?

>>17428363
timezones reps

>>17428363
Chink vpn

>>17428010
I didn't say anything about more viewers than Hololive, but contrary to what is being spewed that Niji EN isn't growing.

>>17428363
It's lazulight. We're talking about luxiem. How new????

>>17428363
wrong gen, nijisea is luxiem

>>17428159
It can make them act differently though, it's probably for that reason that Fauna has always shied away from leaning into the GFE to go for her weird mommy schtick which puts off anyone without mommy issues and she isn't mature enough to pull it off anyway. Also fun fact: every single gachikoi in existence is a hardcore doxfag, I've never known one that wasn't. Anyone who started to fall for her would've checked those sites or read on here about [REDACTED] and jumped ship.

>>17427968
If you kept up with envtuber startups you would know its not (#3)

>>17427968
They didn't underperform, Myth just raised the bar to high. Council are still leagues ahead of most of the EN market

>>17427968
They took too long to release the next generation and took the wind from underneath their sails by delaying their debut, debuting Irys before them, and doing it well over half a year from Myth.

8k is only for grownups

Gura said in her mem stream that she's going to do bully and gta on the same day again but instead of 2 streams, it's all going to be on one single stream.

Probably wants to retain the audience in full this time

>>17428923
there's a reason why they're in a startup and not in NijiEN or HoloEN (or even VShoujo). If they were actually good enough they'd have applied and got hired the same way that Laplus did. Hell, did we forget Rosemi already? Some anons might not like it, but Rosemi ditching Tsunderia for NijiEN was a wise business decision and this is coming from someone who's indifferent to both orgs.

>>17429413
Her prospective schedule
>Mordhau monday
>Serious Sam tuesday
2 day break
>Enter the Gungeon friday
>Rockstar Saturday
>not decided yet further on

>>17429118
>They took too long to release the next generation
Why do you think that keeps getting underestimated?

>>17429413
Gura said in her mem stream that she's going to do bully and gta on the same day again of 2 streams
Probably wants to overlap with nijien or her own branch mate

>>17429572
Yes absolutely, the first thing Gura thinks when she does her schedule is NijiEN, you fucking tard

>>17429342
That's not how you use it anon

>>17429507
>If they were actually good enough they'd have applied and got hired the same way that Laplus did.
This is assuming that EN management are as good of recruiters as JP management. Which is what anon >>17427968 is questioning in the first place

>>17429570
HoloX kind of disapproves that notion though. If anything, debuting IRyS to suck up the EN buff by herself did more damage to them. Their not so great streaming schedules after the first two weeks also didn't do them any favors (except for Bae who is a legit workhorse).

>>17427968
Remember when Kiara said at the time of EN2 auditions that applicants shouldn't get discouraged if they don't get in this round, because the team was looking for some specific traits? I think Council was hired with some weird ideas in mind, some of which you can see through trying match hard to the lore/character, some of which you can see through their specific talents that were missing in Myth. That means probably your first hypothesis, a different scouting team/method.

Though I think there are other contributing factors and honestly Council is doing fine on their own merits.

>>17429866
>Their not so great streaming schedules after the first two weeks
Even irys first week also meh, mother simulator kek, apex ( she's bad at it), and that shooter she never plays again
But her karaoke is amazing tho

>>17430070
It's a theory thats been thrown around here a bit but that Council were recruited to supplement Myth.

>>17428681
If you recall her debut she was actually going down that route. I don't think she could have done it at all though.
>>17429866
HoloX's merits are what drives their popularity. The talented and lucky will rise, the untalented and lucky will coast.

>>17429866
This, they should have delayed Irys and done her debut with council. She sucked up all the anticipation for a new EN member.
EN recruitment is probably still in the experimenting phase to see what works sort of like how the first few gens of JP where all obviously very different recruiting methods.
It took till gamers/Gen3 before JP branch figured out exactly what worked best.

>>17429866
Releasing Council earlier would make it so Myth wouldn't need to feel like they'd need to carry Holo EN by themselves, which they were since it was only those five. It also allows you to search for other candidates if your second wave is a dud with plenty of time between Council and wave three. They could be releasing another wave to pick up slack for dead hours, those that have to take time off, and those that are slacking giving less reason for people to wander away from Holo EN with having a more robust schedule. Six months should be plenty of time for them to establish themselves, especially when you go from five members to ten with Council. Another Six months they could release the third wave and see how things are from there with slowing it down to once a year or need another wave to patch things up due to certain people they onboard.

>>17429531
Damn, by the time the Ark arc starts for EN, JPs would be done with the game.
Maybe it just wasn't meant to be since it seems like more ENs are interested in a Terraria arc than Ark.

>>17430348
You're not thinking of the macro buff to JP ARK if a lot of ENs show up, like the server merge buff for minecra.
It's better that EN revives it later rather than join in on the winding down hype atm

>>17427968
I'm zigging here, I don't think Myth is all that talented or amazing hires. Gura yes and Mori, like it or not, yes. The other three aren't really. They all just came at the right place at the right time. I find this lionization of Myth odd.

>>17427968
Im not saying they are failure, they just doesnt add anything new to the branch. Which isnt their fault, Its the scoutng team fault.

>>17430279
>wave

>>17430279
I agree that having a gen debut every 6 months up to maybe HoloEN 3 after which they slow down to 1 gen every 10-12 months would've been ideal. I honestly think that they were planning to debut them during the summer but Coco graduating pretty much postponed everything. I really want Cover to just do 3 debuts per year at this point.
>HoloID/potential Non-EN international branches on Feb-March
>HoloEN in June
>HoloJP in November so they can ride the hype of sportsfes and still be on time to collab with their Senpais prior to the holidays.

>>17430437
Ame used to be a workhorse and is still la creadividad. Ina is literally the most popular art vtuber. Kiara's also a workhorse and the bridge between them and JP. All of Myth just FITS whereas you'd struggle to seriously argue each Council member has a strong niche.

And if Myth aren't all amazing or talented, then lby that logic the most sacred gen in hololive (gen3) is similarly just carried by PekoMarine, like Myth is carried by Gura/Mori.

>>17430279
Maybe they intended to release sooner but I don't think a full gen would have been well received in June/July due to Coco graduation. Debuts back in April/May means auditions and expanding management much sooner than Feb. But no company moves that quickly and Cover least of all.

>>17430647
>workhorse

>>17430437
I'll add Ina to the talented portion of Myth. I understand why they hired Kiara since on paper her skillset looked good enough. Ame is a mixed bag. When she's on her A game I'd say she's more entertaining than anyone in HoloEN sans Gura, but she hasn't been on her A game for awhile now.

>>17430227
>HoloX's merits are what drives their popularity. The talented and lucky will rise, the untalented and lucky will coast.
Meanwhile HoloX have already stalled in growth and are sitting at 1k subs a day 2 months into their debut.

Yes council have rested on their laurels some moment, no one is going to disagree with that. But they're settling into a good pattern now that holidays are over and projects are actually pushing out now. Apart from Sana, they've all been streaming at least 5 times a week and have been doing guerillas on top of it. What the problem is is that people like you have not been paying attention to their streams whatsoever. Kronii has flat out said that she's always wanted to be a lets play'er, and her schedule from the very beginning has been indicative of that. It's YOUR fault for placing these unreasonable expectations when she's insisted on wanting to do something specific from the get-go.

They're all getting into a good groove now and have made friendships in hololive. Or would you also like to forget that HoloJP has 30+ fucking people box pushing HoloX and have regularly off collabed with them already. Like dude, Laplus fucking had a sponsored screening of the Spider Man movie 1 week into her debut where she met Fubuki and Miko. Of course it's going to be much easier finding rhythm when there's stronger groundwork to start off with.

>>17430505
JP team did myth. JP team did X. JP did HoloFive*
I am finding it hard to believe people that were 14/15 could go 0/5.

*great picks but this is probably the worst possible timeline for them. Yeah, the wheels of the Aloe bus was probably going to come off anyways but this can't have been the best version of it happening.

>no more than 2k CCV during stream
>5.6K viewers immediately after
What does Susan mean by this

>>17430505
>Didn't add anything new to branch
>Literally has a member that's outperformed all of gen 4's originals that were driven off giant 3D events
>Said member literally gets 15k+ joining their guerilla karaoke's
>Said member literally got 16k in the middle of a stacked midnight of multiple JPs streaming

Maybe, you know, they actually did get something the fans have wanted. Or you could continue shitposting too I guess

>>17430775
>they've all been streaming at least 5 times a week

>>17430948
the most dedicated viewers are also the most culled

>>17430948
Membership CCV through that phone bug has always been unreliable.

>>17430774
I didn't say the other three were bad picks, I just think they got 2 A listers and 3 that didn't shit the bed. Council was 2.5 that didn't shit the bed and 2.5 that did. All you need for a good gen is 1 star and 4 okay people. Council doesn't have the one person.

>>17430800
I disagree. If Aloe had at least a month or two to build up connections with the fanbase and her other JP Senpai's, she could've weathered the shitstorm that happened if it was after those 2 months. And yes I know that KusoDad was a thing, but by then she'd have been fully integrated and might've just move into the HoloHouse or some shit.

>>17430505
Seeing how the super majority of their content is streaming I think they should have gone for people that are more geared towards that. Especially so since travel restrictions won't allow non-JP branches to get 3D performances for concerts anyway.

>>17430965
https://twitter.com/ourokronii/status/1485776058959810564?s=20&t=3wC_zuu8yaXSsr0pBjbFUw
https://twitter.com/ourokronii/status/1483745494647992320?s=20&t=3wC_zuu8yaXSsr0pBjbFUw

2 weeks of streams after holidays are done that have 5+ streams each, which is exactly what's said.

>>17430958
So gen 4 is in the same branch as Council now? we are gonna keep lauging at you mumeifag if you keep this up

>>17430958
You are literally arguing for singing and numbers on a branch that has Gura and Calli.
Actually proving his point lmao are you that retarded?

>>17431041
>1 star
Was it supposed to be balz? Can pekora make balz avatar work? What if IRyS got that model instead of balz, hell maybe IRyS got fauna model

>>17431167
losershit ruined any chance of that by forcing his nonsense onto her.

>>17430437
ina is the most popular art streamer in the world anon

>>17430647
>Ignoring Rushia for no reason
Dumb

>>17429572
>Undisputed queen of HoloEN
>The one and only can standing on the same stage with HoloJP's monsters
I-I have to kneel...

>>17431167
IRyS with Fauna's model (or just a fucking decent one! FUCK YOU REDJUICE!) legit would be good enough to be number 2 or 3 for HoloEN.

>>17430774
>I understand why they hired Kiara since on paper her skillset looked good enough
Lmao they obviously expected her to be the mot popular. She got the most recognizable artist, top notch rigging, she was in japan, she could speak japanese fluently. From a management perspective this girl could literally be salvaged as a JP if the rest of the branch didn't work out.

>>17431198
>losershit ruined any chance of that by forcing his nonsense onto her
Would Bae be forced to graduate if she chose not to act like a 'chaos' rat?

>>17431289
>obviously expected her to be the mot popular.
The fuck you smoking?
Gura had more than 1 mil subs on her roommate and Mori's PL already had a couple 100k MVs before Hololive.

>>17431289
That was my thought to. Especially since Gura didn't even sing in her auditions (she mentioned this on a member's stream I think?) so there was no way they could have anticipated her explosion in popularity.

>>17431166
>Who is Tokoyami Towa
Is the 2nd most popular singer in HoloJP who consistently hits millions of views on her covers not enough for you? What, do you want to compare Mumei to fucking Suisei you retard?

Sorry sorry, I guess I need to wait for HoloEN's kingpin Fauna to release an original to really make a fair comparison I GUESS

https://twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1487775386469601282

>>17431397
She'd probably never touch a corpo again if so.

>>17431280
IRyS with Aloe model. Imagine.

>>17431459
man aloe's model is awesome

>>17430505
Agreed. At the end of the day, they are not that different from Myth that you basically just end up with 5 more women playing Pokemon, except EN viewers that have been here from day 1 aren't as attached to them. They could have gotten

- a GFE tuber, which is what Green Lamy should have been but wont commit to it either because she doesnt want to be unfaithful or considers it degrading
- a tuber with good game taste and plays them good, like Botan. all 5 are terrible at games
- a tuber that embraces their character and can pull it off in a way people enjoy like Pekora. Bae could have been that but shes not cut out for it

>>17431423
You fucking retard, dont post anything if you can't even understand the definition of "branch".

Today's superchats

>>17431459
The IRyS general would probably out SSSEEXXXX /infinity/ itself.

>>17427968
Council is only a "failure" if you compare them to Myth. People hate on Kiara but she does well as a translator between JP/EN and she along with Watson seem to be the ones who organise shit. Watson also has the whole VRchat thing. Ina's a great artist. Some people don't like Mori's songs but they get the numbers and Gura is Gura. Compared to that, Council does not have much. I personally like Kronii and Mumei but the others are kinda average/whatever.

>>17431597
Wait what? Where is the rest of the lazulight, why only Finana? Where is the rest of the Lazulite, why only Finana? Pomu (5,225$) and Elira(4,014$) should be in 2nd and 4th place

>>17430775
Maybe I should ease up on Council because it is true, I don't really watch EN much to begin with, so I'm not being fair. I blame lots of things on losertrash trying to smother them in the crib. I mean if they had lore as deep as a vampire that doesn't like blood or a chill house cat hopping onto her owner's computer I think they would have done much better.

That being said I think they should have helped their cause in September, not January and who knows if this recent effort will be sustained.

>>17431955
>Kiara but she does well as a translator between JP/EN
Insight is 20/20, IRyS or Bae in her place would be major improvement in myth, you only see her with a role as "translator of myth" because she was the first one

>>17431955
Sana was suppose to be Council's Ina but even accounting for her model debuff, the fact that she doesn't want to do draw streams baffles me. She doesn't even have to do speed drawings like Ina. A series of streams about 1 drawing would do.

>>17431597
I guess that it for niji en males huh? After debut month is over will they appear again in daily/monthly superchat? This is when the reclining comes in.

>>17431423
What, Mumei's original beat Towa's 2nd original to 1 mil faster?
I thought they're both 12 days or something.
I also thought you were pretty fixated comparing Finana's 1st original to Irys's 1st original for a "fair comparison".

>>17432044
They were on yesterday's chart, cutoff point for Playboard is midnight GMT which is when Finana's stream started

Why are we on this council timeloop again?
>NUMBERS DOKO?????

>>17432072
>I don't really watch EN much to begin with, so I'm not being fair.
So basically, you're admitting you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?
We're not even talking about numbers, you're playing armchair manager when you don't know shit.

>>17432082
Why haven't IRyS or Bae done more with the JPs or start their own show involving the JPs then? Why haven't they leveraged their language skills more? Bae can even do shit with the Holostars.

>>17432143
Council schizo is on his meds so while he still hates them he is sounding rational and well reasoned.

>>17431582
You made a fucking braindead point so the response was absolutely just.

>"Mori and Gura are in EN, therefore everyone else will find musical success!"
What bullshit logic is this? Okay, lets do this again:
>"HoloJP has numerous icons like Pekora, Marine, Fubuki, Miko and Korone, therefore everyone else will be as successful and noteworthy because of them!"
See how stupid that sounds? This is what you want to argue rather than just accepting that council members can achieve things too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1204Knoxgfg
Almost 200k in 2 days. The incline is real.

>>17432082
IRyS in myth with say Aloe's live2d would legit be Hololive's best gen, eclipsing even Gen 3. She has incredible chemistry with everyone in Myth and Hololive overall. Good streaming and singing voice, and is a stream monster herself who likes streaming.

>>17432104
Expect their honeymoon period to be closer to that of HoloMyth. At some point the fujos will grow disillusioned that no matter how much money they give, they will not receive e-sex

>>17432167
They are too busy fucking.

>>17432197
Funny ep. Well deserve.

>>17432143
He was close

>>17432143
Numbers don't even matter about Council at this point, they just need better content. Let em do a full Council collab on Jackbox or something because I'm still waiting for a good full Council collab.

I was thinking but it's the number of collabs between council and jp holos way to low? Are they not asking for collabs?

>>17432229
Thats another thing, why bother with the BaeRys thing when everyone already knows Bae likes Roberu? Just do another pairing, Bae isn't even the flirt with everyone character.

>>17432104
He was close.

>>17432197
The only 4 more viewed videos on that channel are all songs, and not by that much considering. So yes, it looks to be a big boost to the HoloStars brand.
Though I will reserve judgment until StarsColle has more episodes that don't have the novelty buff the first one gets.

>>17432289
Maybe they just don't want collabs anon. Natural is better than forced.

>>17431597
Oh right, how was Kano's 3D?

>>17432187
Sigh, you dont even know what people arguing about. I am not gonna reply to you anymore.

>>17432354
Her pc exploded or something.

>>17432197
>Subs
>Comments are filled by EOPs
Does this audience convert to viewers?

>>17432488
Wait till you look at the comments and subtitles for Hologra

>>17427635
>Gura just has random almost finished cover recordings lying around and never released
btw you described Pekora because she has random almost finished cover recordings lying around and never released from 7 months ago

>>17432187
At least every gen other gen will have soft spots but they usually have someone or something. Council? No one fits that bill.

>>17432526
I mean they were already quite popular with the EOPs, but it didn't bring them any success.

>>17432488
Dude, hologra also filled with eop too you know.

>>17432293
She wants to keep her gachis.
Kiara asked Bae if Roberu was her oshi and she kept denying it when it's pretty obvious that he is.

>>17431955
>Council is only a "failure" if you compare them to Myth
Council also a failure if you compare them to HoloX

>>17432582
Redditors don't watch streams. They barely fucking watch clips.
The same people talking about "the boys are underrated" are the ones who will never watch their streams if a Holo isn't involved.

>>17432488
We have the statistics from the Hololive official channel, it's 50% nip 50% eops

>>17432187
You don't understand, if you want to compare JP to EN, it's always to Myth and Gura, no one else

>>17432577
I still believe Mumei has what it takes to be that star. Bae, as much as I love her workethic and knowing the BS she had to go through with MyHolo, just isn't charismatic enough. Sana is Sana. Fauna is hard capped as an ASMRtist that doesn't want to do GFE. And Kronii will probably continue to be depressed.

>>17432159
I look at daily rankings, SC rankings, monthly rankings and what do I see? Not council. There must be something to that it's either on the manager or the talent, or both.

>>17430647
>carried by PekoMarine
don't compare myth to gen3, it's not even close.

>>17432773
>has what it takes to be that star
Yes I also believe in Lui to be the star as well, good number btw

>>17431423
wtf are you on about. I'm a bloody kenzoku and calling Towa the 2nd most popular holojp singer is total bullshit.

>>17432636
I was willing to let Council slide and just assume hololive was just never get anything but low tier livers as the market was tapped and cool off for a few years. The HoloX happened and I realized that Council was brand poison.

Council schizo right now:

Source: I'm hearing voice

>>17430647
ui is

Mion 11k getto.

>>17432833
It's both. The worst thing to happen to HoloEn was being an immediate success. They never had to claw their way to the top the same way that Sora or FBK did so their mentality is skewed. If they actually had to go through the hardships that they expected when they joined Myth (all of them had a 100k sub goal within a year) then their mindset would be different. Gura wouldn't be so allergic to celebrating milestones, Kiara would be slightly less of a menhera compared to what she was back then, and Ame might've not lost motivation so soon if she had a concrete goal (reach so and so subs) to aim for. And im also sure that they wouldn't have given Council such bad advice too if they knew how important grinding was.

Councilkeks rn

>>17431597
January superchats so far
>Rushia - $140,924
>Chloe - $110,792
>Koyori - $99,548
>Iroha - $84,459
>Pekora - $80,300
>Vox - $74,834
>Ike - $74,671
>Matsuri - $62,978
>kson - $60,921
>Mori - $60,282
>Nene - $59,785
>Lamy - $57,623
>Subaru - $54,370
>Kanata - $53,091
>Towa - $52,340
>Fuwa - $51,399
>Kiara - $50,295
>Miko - $48,268
>Luca - $46,783
>Mysta - $44,791
>Watame - $43,997
>Lui - $40,103
>Chihiro - $38,734
>Luna - $36,949
>Noel - $36,676
>Laplus - $34,892
>Gura - $33,728
>Shu - $33,102
>Okayu - $33,068
>Korone - $32,448
>Aqua - $31,562
>Amelia - $30,473

>>17432757
I mean it's not like people here discuss all the chaff in JP either, it's always the upper mid tier to high tier ones, whereas every single EN gets nitpicked. There's always someone shitting on Sana or Fauna, no one cares enough about Choco or Robocco or Mel or Aki except when they suddenly get one big number for a day.

Not even accounting for dumb youtube ccv fuckery, JPs just have access to more dedicated audiences, a culture more open to haha funny anime woman, a management that at least knows the japanese streaming landscape and how to navigate JP permissions (EN management is still a bunch of japs, they just know englihs) and the two biggest factors: the ability to easily offcollab with many many possible combinations and 3D.

>>17432773
Bae was supposed to be Council's leader... without leader charisma and with aussie timezone... Omegatranny do you even care

Any site have this kind of graph but for Youtube?

>>17432661
>The same people talking about "the boys are underrated" are the ones who will never watch their streams if a Holo isn't involved.
It is funny.
If only just 1% of the people on that reddit actually watched them they would be regular 5k streamers.

>>17433145
Yo randy and them hearing the same voice in their heads lol.

>>17432881
Yeah, for gen 3.

Is Nyanner the new-EN king

>>17433254
The worst thing to happen to HoloEN was the creation of their god forsaken branch.

Imagine a world where HoloEN was never made - we would have had more gacha game collabs and Aqua would have gotten her League of Legends concert.

Fuck EN, and fuck Cover for pandering to the West

>>17433434

>>17433382
Council Doko?

>>17433474
???
What level of bad history is this? Do you come form the alternative timeline where Gura caused the Taiwan incident?

>>17433474
That post is so chinky I refuse to believe it's an actual bug.

>>17433474
Chink,eat your bat soup.

>Council Schizo rn

>>17433382
>all of Gen4 is in
Failure gen btw.

>council
>no 10k again

Lamy need 200 more for 10k. Come on number fucks help her.

>>17433407
Basically.
It's funny that the thread spends half the time talking about EN being culled, yet constantly compares CCV between JPs and ENs anyways.
Even if EN isn't being culled, there's way more people watching vtubers in Japan than any timeslot in the rest of the world.

None of this is news anyways, people are just bored because there's no numbers to discuss right now so they're trying to anonymously push theories that would get them laughed at if they posted anywhere else.

>>17433568
>caring about sc
Call me when your oshi get more than 15k on unarchived karaoke.

>>17433805
10k get.

>>17433474
t.falseflagging as a chink or an actual chink

>>17433382
>Koyori - $99,548
She's streaming tonight so should almost certainly get that last $452, I'm so proud of her

>>17433407
>Choco
Just got 20k+ and was a pillar for 2018 hololive. No one in the entire EN branch is as important as she was.
>Mel
Kuzuha killer has more golds than all of Council combined since Council debuted. Also her NND roots are deep.
>Aki
Come on now, impossible to hate.

>>17433826
This is such a petty thing to be proud of kek
Starting to sound like NijiEN girls

>>17433826
Holy shit post sana and fauna 15k unarchived now! That will show them councilschizo

>>17433382
Didn't Council have a costume reveal this month?

>>17433824
>Japan has more viewers
>Lamy mogging Mumei on her timeslot
Cope more

>>17433254
Yup. HoloX knew the grind and no one in HoloJP would let them think it's easy and they can chill. I mean pink coyote makes everyone look lazy.

>>17433917
Send her that yourself anon.

>>17433981
Yup.

It's pretty shameful.

>>17434038
How new are you? Marine can get 25k people to watch her at 9am randomly.
It's not news that there are more people that watch vtubers in Japan at any timeslot than there are in other parts of the world.
Also
>directly comparing JP and EN CCV despite knowing EN is being culled.

>>17434108
>no one in HoloJP would let them think it's easy and they can chill.
I hate Kronii and Sana even more.

>>17433254
Going by that logic ID3 should be a smashing success

>>17434108
Honestly what level of unhinged do you have to be to not see HoloX is the most hand me down gen so far? They didn't let it go to waste, but to go basically
>y-yeah not like our HoloX girls
When they'd still be massively popular even without doing shit is hilarious

>>17433826
I thought CCV is a pointless metric?
Also, being unarchived, there wouldn't be a VOD for it roru much less literal money

>>17434243
>ID3 should be a smashing success
ID is debuff

>>17434186
I will if she hasn't made it when the stream is about to end

>>17434217
What people forget is that JP holos have a dedicated JP audience plus a fuckton of EOPs.
EN holos have a dedicated EOP audience (who's smaller) and...maybe a few JPs.
Its no coincidence that the highest CCV EN vtuber also happens to be super popular with the japanese, who account for 12% of her views, right after 30% NA.

>>17434293
but the grind...

>ID3 will smash council

Oh yeah, vox and Ironmouse had a Collab before. What's the numbers in Twitch?

WTF is going on????? Did niji lose or something? Holly shit this thread!

>>17431597
A few unexpected people here, had to look it up.
4. Kano - 3D debut
6. Runa, Qpi and Noah - made it to Apex Masters as a group, the other 2 got 2.5k and 1.6k$
8. Rumi - chibi new model unveiling
9. Rita - 2nd anniversary and 3D at home debut - crazy numbers for only 66 donations and 84 peak viewers
A few more smaller channels that did well
$2,030 松下channel / matsushita channel - birthday countdown
$1,608 Miyako Seto - 3rd anniversary
$1,449 Vtuber.Coro&Chocolat - 1 year anniversary

Mysta and Vox both got around 2$k as well, but too many people did well today.

>>17434217
>There are more people in Japan than the rest of the world
Keep huffing the copium

>>17434270
>When they'd still be massively popular even without doing shit
This isn't the gypsy fortunetelling thread anon, Sana and Kronii especially were lazy as shit and massively lost momentum because of it, there's no evidence to suggest holoX would've been any different

>>17434270
JPs are fickle. All of them would have been dropped if they didn't work. They'd be doing worse than Council if they worked as hard as Council.

>>17433382
Does Mysta have no paypigs or something. How is he 4th in Luxiem during his birthday month?

>>17434270
The thing is that unlike Council, who were sabotaged by both being given frankly TERRIBLE advice for a new gen, holoX had both better advice and a stronger surrounding support structure. As such, they were able to hit the ground running and WORK at maintaining that momentum, whereas Council was told to 'take it easy' and saddled with overwrought lore on top of it.
I'm glad the girls are all putting in consistent work now(except Sana), but they really should have gone in harder in the first month and a bit.

>>17434479
Yes of course. It's not like the absolute worst example of successful lazy bitch in all of Vtubing comes from Japan. No sir, Ayame is part of Council.

>>17434411
Learn to read, retard.

>>17434357
I think even if we discount EOPs, there's just more vtuber watchers in JP/SEA/TW+CN at all times.
Kuzuha can stream all night (1am to 11 am) and still hold 10k+ viewers and he barely has any EOP viewers.

>>17433873
When did lamy became a freaking monster gamer? She getting 10k a lot and her gaming stream now is pretty fun to watch.

>>17434584
To be fair, Ayame is coasting from her own success unlike Council who is coasting from Myth

>>17434584
Gen2 worked hard at first, well maybe not Shion, but Ayame put in the hours. 2020 and 2021 and 2022 are just partial retirement she earned.

>>17434584
Ayame built up her brand early on and is coasting. Hologra keeps her very relevant and she shows up for birthday concerts.

>>17434380
More than the Ironmouse and Calli collab

>>17434491
He had a pretty meaty monetization stream ($6k) in Dec, but his daily SC numbers are in the same range as Luca and Shu and most of his recent streams are collabs which don't get SC.
Vox and Ike just milk SC like crazy with free talks.

>>17434651
>>17434700
See, this shit should've been Council's mentality from the outset. Go hard in their first year than pull an Ayame once HoloEn 3 debuts to pick up the slack.

>>17434380
https://twitchtracker.com/ironmouse/streams/44510719980
15k peak but obviously raided (by Nyanners).

>>17434602

She is inclining a lot. If you look at vrabi, none of her streams after January 10 went lower than 7k (Mostly of those her Zelda streams and one Zatsu), everything else she has been getting 10k+ or at least being really close to it.

>>17434474
The difference between council and holox is that one does not have 30+ members giving them multiple collabs, offcollabs, group collabs, event collabs and giant amounts of promotion.

It’s true that you’d never know what would happen if things were reversed, but things become much easier when you’re given the world to work with and have people directly meeting you to make things way more comfortable for you.

The only legitimate issue that happened with council was Kronii putting a stop to Minecraft, because she had a DIRECT path to joining Shiraken with how much Polka talked about her and flat out loves her. That was one of the biggest opportunities that she absolute squandered. But even with that, remember this was when the IP was leaked and schizos all over /vt/ were stalking her and being like HURR KRONII STREAM MINECRAFT

>>17434491
Mysta is an absolute autistic retard, women find him funny but they don't want to fuck him like they want to fuck Vox or Ike, so he doesn't have a ton of gachikoi

>>17434832
Yeah, she's turned into a high mid-tier Holo without most people realizing it. Her zatsu and game commentary has also improved quite a bit. She might actually have a claim as Gen 5s ace now though I think Botan is still that.

>>17434602
Gen 5 now winning in ccv as well. Nene, botan, lamy have been getting 10k+ a lot and last night polka masterpiece 3d live. Gen 5 aka council schizo is on death mode.

>>17434380
Had a massive spike and peak "early on" at 15.5k, might have been a raid, don't know. Numbers held pretty well after though.
https://twitchtracker.com/ironmouse/streams/44510719980

Also, Jeesus Christ, 4 hour interview?
Who does that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYL_a_HZzLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYL_a_HZzLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYL_a_HZzLY

Millie and Enna released a duet for the hot new Kanaria song Identity.

>>17434851
Well Myth (Ame particularly) pretty much carried Council since their 'leader' Bae is useless for planning any special events. Also the JP having more branchmates to bounce off of is a double edged sword since those are also members you are basically competing against for views due to overlaps.

>>17434741
The Ironmouse/Mori collab got over 16k while Vox only got to 15k with a raid.

>>17434994
>Also, Jeesus Christ, 4 hour interview?
>Who does that?
Streamers that like streaming

>>17435071
Nvm, forgot that song kind of sucks.
Numbers might not be great over time.

>>17434994
It was a raid. Nyanners finished and raided, which is why the retention is 'unusually high' for a raid.

>>17434826
>https://twitchtracker.com/ironmouse/streams/44510719980
god twitchtracker is so much better than playboard

>>17435101
I unironically think Myth tried to sabotage Council.

>>17435192
Begone Skitzo!

Council was great for Myth since the start - except for Ame who was going through a high speed burnout when they debut.

>>17435117
>Streamers that like streaming
Unlike Council

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jDkn2TzxJk
1 million views for Lui's cover, not bad at all for the runt of the gen

>>17434741
24.7k for first collab

>>17434851
Maybe Myth who are absolutely enormous streamers should've given them more collabs and promotion then, yes offcollabs are largely impossible for EN but holoX have only done a handful of them, it's hardly been crucial to their growth.

Mumei 8k get. I thought susan going to capped her at 7k.

>>17434832
Council would have consistent 10k+ streams too if they weren't being hamstrung by CCVID

>>17435613
>Council would have consistent 10k+ streams too if they weren't being hamstrung by CCVID
Are you retard

>>17435613
Possibly. There's definitely some fuckery going on with CCVID, but we'll never know the true numbers, just like we don't for the vast majority of streams from Dec 27-Early January, except for those few gifts Towa and Botan have given us.

>>17435675
>he thinks any Council not Sana isn't actually getting 10k consistently irl with their culled 7k-8k streams
You're the retard

>>17435192
Pretty sure myth loves council. Gura is practically an honorary council member at this point with how much she plays with them.

Even in her member stream today she was gushing about Kronii and saying how she meshes so well with her. Also that after stream they just sat and talked on discord for hours. Discord sex is REAL

>>17435558
Omega can’t run the branch for shit, just sack him.

>>17434851
>The only legitimate issue that happened with council was Kronii putting a stop to Minecraft
I'm not a "Council is a failure" poster, but there's a few more issues with Council than that.
You're right that Kronii not embracing her Minecraft autism was very bad self-sabotage. She has way more off-stream hours in Minecraft than on-stream and those would've been easy 15k+ streams. It was probably a mental thing for her since she clearly knew that's what people wanted, but intentionally blue balled her audience.

Sana probably had the worst debut week in recent memory (next to Laplus, but Laplus is actually enough of a star to make Shadowverse as a first game stream work). Everything about Sana is self-sabotage, to the point where even if she had the best model in the world, she would destined to be the worst in HoloEN numberwise.

Bae was essentially screwed the moment she revealed her timeslots were Australian and personally, I think her overly hyper streaming style is a filter. Not a huge issue tho and I think she's inclining recently by having clippable moments and associating with more popular Myth members.

Mumei was crippled by school, inconsistent scheduling, and taking forever to finish games (she's still playing BoTW after 4 months). I don't know how people can argue she's underperforming tho, her numbers are solid and there's not many Holomems that can pull 14k+ on guerilla karaokes.

Fauna just has collab autism and seems afraid to collab with anyone outside of Council except for Gura. She also has the Ame issue of disappearing in big collabs, but from the start, Fauna was destined to be niche since ASMR/the mommy thing filters a lot of people.

Keep in mind that this is why the Council Schizo is going crazy right now. The Council Schizo is one of those Chinese agitators that the note blog talked about that is here to shill NijiEN while trashing HoloEN. I would recommend just not engaging with him.

Kiara just leaked HoloEU
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1487955830846758914

>>17435675
If you look at Kronii or Mumei's VODs and look at Iroha and Koyori's, they're really not that far apart.
Bae and Sana are def not 10k+ tho.

>>17435762
This. Instead of sealing their night and taking the post debut thunder he should have done his best for someone but himself.

Chad cast getting 12k last night cements the theory that their location affects their CCV for other ENs

>>17435675
Are you? We already know culls take at least 30-45% of ENs CCV from 2020, even if they got the minimum 30% cull all their 8k streams would be over 10k and at least 3 members consistently can get 8k at minimum
This isn't even considering CCVID fuckery.

>>17435931
Bae has shown she can get 10k easily when doing buff content (karaoke, her horror stream the other day). Sana will probably never get 10k ever.

>>17435759
Well after spending a year getting at best occasional attention from her genmates she's happy to find people who want to just play games and chat with her.

>>17435762
I don't disagree with that at all, but from what we know JP management is largely useless too, just look at yesterday when Polka organized a better concert than virtually anything we've seen before, even the paid ones. Most of the kino streams we see are all from the talent themselves and except for the rare occassions that Ame can get out of her rut long enough for some creatividad those are very sparse for EN.

>>17435613
okay let's just check lamy's and mumei's graphs
>both recover waiting room in 5 minutes
>both graphs rising consistently unlike the hard caps we saw during CCVID
>both level off at about an hour in
but only EN is getting culled, am I right?

>>17435777
That’s not totally true with Fauna. Every week is essentially a collab with Bae with Resident evil and she just joined Bae for Outlast too. It’s true that she hasn’t completely branched herself out yet though. For what reason I’m not sure, but she was supposedly a full blown bonebro before joining Hololive and she always talks about watching Gura streams and such that I feel like she probably has that fan mentality still. Like, as in it’s hard to believe they’re actually a part of Hololive.

Could also be that she streams in a closet too and doesn’t want to be a disturbance. Who knows honestly

>>17433382
Kiara's SC Number seems off.
Maybe you forgot her New Year Karaoke stream which got $4447 according to playboard.

Idiotic playboard messed up the order and had it placed down below her New Year Sims game (which is counted for December)

https://twitter.com/ookamimio/status/1487973886251585536
Raft arc soon?

>>17436172
>bonebro
Who?

>>17436126
Dec 2020 cull you retard, come back when Lamy has a poll with 100% engagement in 5 minutes

>>17436216
Nah, seeing arceus as a complete flop, february's arc is elden ring. I just hope it isn't a complete flop too with a lot of bugs.

>>17436240
Fauna. She’s a diehard Mori and Gura fan

>>17435613
>>17435675
>>17435730
Kronii and Mumei would get 10k consistently while Bae and Fauna would need more attractive streams to get it often.

Sana however is fucked and should just graduate. Lazy fucker now gets low SC, low CCV and even former laziest councils Kronii and Mumei stream more than her now.

>>17436277
They are getting elden ring perms?

>>17436063
This

If you aren't a schizo you can tell how fantastic an addition Council has been to HoloEN. Council being so sociable (yes, even Kronii despite her autism) have been a god send and they even managed to break Gura out of her shell. If Council weren't so damn personable than IRyS would truly be alone as every member of Myth would be too socially autistic and awkward to do anything with her. Myth are the main characters while Council are the supporting cast. None of them are as individually strong as any Myth member but together they make the entire experience a million times better for enjoyers of HoloEN.

With that said since they got their supporting cast and did a fantastic job doing it.........EN Gen 3 needs to be another group of main characters who are individually strong.

>>17436277
Elden ring? Is Fromsoft really gonna give perms?

>>17436126
>1 hour vs 3 hours
>8k CCV vs 10k CCV
>7k likes vs 6.9k likes
but JP is getting culled too am I right?

Reimu has passed her second Holostar, say something nice about her.

>>17436277

>Fromsoft
>Hololive perms

copium

>>17436042
If she is culled on the heavy side(45%) her Arceus could have been a 10k, it had 5.5k peak. She got 7.9k on the pokemon tourney, even the lightest EN culling(30%) would have seen that above 10k.

>>17436380
>>17436341
>>17436322
Pretty sure they could negotiate terms for the game or outright pay fromsoft to play it. They can't ask for blanket perms.

>>17433703
Towa and Luna saved by their anniversary.

>>17436175
Double checked it and it's fine, that stream counted for December

>>17436378
>but JP is getting culled too am I right?
Yes

>>17436377
graduate this failure already

>>17436515
Fuck off council schizo

>>17436378
yeah, of course they are. We know that there are viewers that NEVER get counted
everyone is getting culled retard

>>17436380
>>17436456
I'm not up to date, what's the reason Hololive don't have Fromsoft permissions? Nijisanji has them don't they?

>>17436330
For people who actually watch streams, which are probably not a lot of people in this thread honestly, Council has been a fantastic addition to HoloEN. Nobody who actually watches streams will say that what they have brought to the table has been bad. Just their ability to socialize and get Myth to actually collab is amazing.

>>17436330
Is Council an utter failure?
>only EN Antis believe so and Nijifags are joining in on the fun of shitposting

>are they the best?
NO! Sana is a lazy fucker now and Kronii needs to stream more. Kronii could've been like EN Chloe if she only tried. Mumei atleast is now streaming more while Fauna and Bae are just mediocre.

Btw IRyS is so unlucky, she was on the incline until they made her focus on her medicore songs and fucked her voice. Making HoloEN lose a good streamer for months.

>>17436378
>likes
lol lol lmao

>>17436554
>meanwhile only EN and ID are exhibiting the poll engagement syndrome while it never happens for JPs
Okay retard

>>17436216
Subaru is not really doing any debuff stream anymore huh.

>>17436172
Yeah I specifically mentioned outside of Council. She also has a bit of a thing with Reine too tbf.
I'm just thinking of her JP interactions in and outside of Minecraft being basically non-existent.
Almost everyone else in HoloEN has at least interacted with the entry-barrier HoloJP (Polka) by now. Actually, I don't think she played Minecraft at all during the server merge arc...
Fauna's road to incline is going to be hard compared to her genmates, because she is inherently niche content, she doesn't speak JP, and she won't have songs/covers.

>>17436655
Reddit Duck is a debuff all unto herself.

>>17436560
Fromsoft either being a bitch or they have someone there who's in kahoots with niji

>>17436667
Fauna has found her niche and is doing amazingly consistent with it. The reason she isn't talked about much in this thread is because she is so dependable. She is going to get her 7-8k no matter what she does and her ASMR is going to get 300k VOD views every time. Her consistency is actually kind of insane.

Count the timeloops today, numberbros

>>17436126
To humor you.
Mumei basically did this guerilla, no schedule at the moment and she tweeted 45 minutes before the stream starts. We know the 'waiting room dips' are not the ONLY indication that CCVID is in place, if we compare some of the streams that happened late dec/early jan.
VS
Lamy, who has a schedule set up.
To wit, it's definitely possible Lamy is being culled as well, but the truth is we don't even need to go into another JP vs EN timeloop, we KNOW THE UNDERLYING CAUSES OF THE CULL ARE STILL IN PLAY, AND THAT IT WAS NEVER CONSISTENT. Some holomem were eating big fat Ls and losing 60-70% culls, while others were suffering from 30-40%.
tl;dr YOUTUBE IS SHIT, UNFUCK CCV YOU FUCKERS.

>>17436560
Miyazaki is a nijinigger

>wE kNOw OnlY En GEtTiNG cULled

>>17436822
Too many...too many......

Be Council, second best group in the EN scene in both numbers and ability. Entire dumpster fire thread dedicated to saying how much they failed. Has anyone here even watched them outside their debut weeks or is this a raid?

>>17436506
anon, if we removed special events half the list would disappear.

>>17436810
>She is going to get her 7-8k no matter what she does
Well not when there's overlap, she kinda gets wrecked by that.
I do get annoyed when people talk about Fauna and Bae as if they're similar, when one look at their VODs shows Fauna is on a different tier.
Her VOD growth and clip count is also quite good even for HoloEN standards.

I was talking about her incline, because Fauna's potential audience is already limited by her niche.
It's easy to recommend Mumei or Kronii to someone if they want to watch a cute girl/sex voice girl, but Fauna's mommy thing will be a limiter.

>>17436330
Numbers doko? It's fine if you like Council but this isn't Global and we're not debating about quality, if they're not getting good numbers themselves and not making Myth incline in the way a collab specialist like Mio or Lui does to other members then for the purposes of this thread they're a failure, I don't care enough about them to get schizo about it but it's really hard to say they weren't a flop

>>17436940
It's just Nijidiots desperate for attention.

>>17436940
ignore the schizos. they had legit argument when council wasn't streaming early Jan but their schedule seems to stabilize now

>>17436506
Towa would still be in even if you remove her anniversary

>>17437058
Thiis. Numbers thread is for hard numbers. No copes. VOD guys can say that their oshis can get better VODs and that's okay because they have hard proof. Just don't use that to guestimate CCVs because that's not authentic.

>>17436560
Better to partner with Microsoft or Sony in getting Elden Ring perms from Fromsoft, like how they did with NND and PLA since I’d see them probably budging

>>17434978
>Gen 5 aka council schizo is on death mode
nah not the same person, gen5 schizo is just salty ars amal fan

>>17436940
https://note.com/anrimayura/n/nc313a6f5e28d

Its the Chinese agitators that this blog talks about. They even all use the same talking points mentioned in this blog. Its unironically an astroturfing campaign by zhangs to shill NijiEN on places like 4chan and Reddit while trashing HoloEN. Notice that r/Hololive on Reddit has also had random NijiEN stealth marketing too.

>>17437058
The problem is people here act like Council and Gen 5 are the worst gen when NijiEN Girls exists. and NijiJP has been getting smoked for days.

To them Council is 5 Sana and NijiEN Girls is 11 Selen and NijiEN Males is 5 Mysta/Vox, NijiJP is all Kuzuha/Lize. Hal is Niji as well.

What's next? Pekora and Chloe are Niji as well because they live in Japan?
>Well there had been shitposting and jokes about it but i swear there will come a time nijifags will think this is legit

>>17435508
how? why baelz cover not doing as well as her? baelz has the EN buff ffs

>>17437204
Yep. Unless we get ANOTHER gift like what Gura gave us in another game stream (event CCV to VODs grows differently), then any numbers work on it is guesstimates and approximations.
I hate the numbers fuckery YT does so much. Why, why can't you just stop fucking around with the numbers YouTube?

>>17436899
No chuba below 4k. I never realized hololive was so strong back then. I knew some members that I follow. Watame had the potential to be a high mid tier holo but soon reclined to to minecraft spamming and the general atmosphere of her streams, a full parasocial borefest zatsudan.

>>17437290
I noticed that too. Those random Kiara Pomu memes are not even funny

>>17437124
They're probably including her post live freetalk which got another 10k.

>>17428363
how do you check this?

>>17436330
hmmm.. is this the very same chemistry cope that nijienfags usually use? anon...
and... no number backing all this nonsense as well

https://twitter.com/minatoaqua/status/1487953719240974347/photo/1

So... Aqua will be doing APEX today again. There is something big for Niji on schedule yet?

>>17437644
The chemistry thing only became a cope once Council debuted. When it was only Myth it was unironically true. Listen, I love Myth but they are a bunch of socially awkward autists. The NijiEN chemistry argument became invalid though once Council came around and livened up HoloEN with their social skills.

>>17437344
baelz cover has been beaten by finana's original ffs. The runt of lazulight beating a HoloEN in music

>>17437314
>Council
>worst gen
They are, only good thing is mumei 1M ori song view soon maybe Kronii as well but thats it, SC, CCV, subs being smashed by new debuted gen is shameful

>>17437803
Finana's song will hit a ceiling since the NijiEN audience is a lot smaller and Bae's cover will pass it. Bae's first cover, which wasn't even that good, got over 400k and I can't see Finana's song reaching that number. This current Bae cover is absolutely amazing and will outperform her first cover.

>>17436560
They don't
Fromsoft doesn't give permissions to anyone
And they actually directly forbid any use of a 3rd party item on any stream of their game (a vtuber for example)

Niji just play them without permission, same for other companies

>>17437314
>smoked for days
Try months anon.

>>17437944
>Niji just play them without permission, same for other companies

If its true,Holo should fucking stream it.

Post CULLED GOD ULTIMATE DRAGON

>>17437886
Kronii's original is dogshit. I doubt it will reach 1M

>>17438044
>Hololive doing something without explicit permissions
>In the year 2022
>After the Holocaust Copystrike arc
How delusional are you, anon?

>>17438044
They can't since antis would bash them to death
For whatever reason the crazy people who are ready to shitstorm super hard even contacting companies so they strike holo for copyright infringement don't do shit to nijisanji

>>17437803
I didn't even know it was out. Cover needs to find a way to promote every song the girls make. Hell just give me a twitter that announces when a new song/cover comes out.

>>17437644
Used totally differently. Chemistry is used by nijiniggers as for why nijien is better than holoen. Chemistry is used by councilfags as to why council is worth being a part of hololive.

>>17437314
And Niji EN girls shit all over the likes of Tsunderia and Prism, obviously Nijisanji is weaker than Hololive right now and there's no point in talking shit about just them. I'm tired of the timeloops too but people need to be put in their place when they try and twist Council into being somehow a success without any hard evidence when they should be compared foremost to their colleagues, not other companies.

>>17438174
They do but it seems to be for original stuff only.
https://twitter.com/hololive_music

>>17438174
Cover songs are vanity projects so they need to be shilled by the girls themselves. I adore Gura but this is one of her biggest weaknesses. She needs to leverage her massive audience to help the other girls out. A simple retweet of Bae's song announcement would probably increase viewership by a significant degree but Gura never does anything like this.

>>17438172
God I hate the fact that Nijisanji literally came out of that unscathed, and they just went full schizo on Holo. I could’ve been waking up to Koro-san still playing a random old ass game she just bought at the retro game store

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1487989774879453188
The fuck is this

>>17438174
can her genmate or branchmate did it for her? hell omega can tweet about it

>>17438618
Never forget what they took from you. I will never forgive Nijiniggers and that is why my hate persists to this day.

>>17438543
You overestimate Gura's twitter engagement.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2737059?hl=en

>>17438125
At some point Holo is going to have to upgrade their fax machines because playing the same 3 nintendo franchises ad nauseum is going to kill them worse than the chance of a copyright strike.

>>17438701
>>17438882
an official HoloDex?

>>17438701
They are changing how the channels are managed to an MCN style network.
This could mean they could more easily recruit talent into hololive that maintain their avatar/persona.

>>17438915
>chance of a copyright strike.
... mio has two strike already newfag kun

>>17438882
apparently its a scam
>https://www.reddit.com/r/NewTubers/comments/haffgp/why_you_should_never_join_a_youtube_mcn_bbtv/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubers/comments/erd5na/question_youtube_mcns_in_2020_still_worth_it/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubegaming/comments/ikt7tm/are_multichannelnetworks_mcns_still_worth_it_in/

>>17438832
She has 1.3 million followers anon. The reason why her engagement isn't super high is because she literally only tweets out stream announcements. If she used it more often for other things like shilling her genmates her followers would be there. Hell, just look at the massive amounts of engagement any art she retweets gets.

>>17438618
https://twitter.com/ryujin_kiyoshi/status/1487631557615841282
Look at this. If this was Hololive, you bet it'll trending on Twitter and has a lot of matome articles.

>>17438543
>>17438719
Considering how much money and time the girls put into the songs, Cover should be broadcasting song releases across their entire network. The whole point of the songs is to get fresh eyes on their channel.

How much of a factor do you think Mori and Kiara's SC earnings have to do with them being active on their roommate? I think gachis love the feeling of being closer with them by stalking them there and neither holomem appears to have a significant other in their life (that they talk about publicly at least - insert Connor joke here).

>>17438915
>At some point Holo is going to have to upgrade their fax machines because playing the same 3 nintendo franchises ad nauseum is going to kill them worse than the chance of a copyright strike.
Thats my point.They should stream any none Chink games now.

>>17439053
it's a scam IF you are joining to a random group, not a managed group
basically, this allows for better management of already established networks of channels

>>17439053
At least read what you post.
They where already basically operating as an MCN as all revenue already goes straight to cover to be split later, becoming an actual MCN just simplifies the process as they no longer need a different adsense account for each channel.

>>17438701
...the fuck? Cover wasn't already an MCN? Although having said that, are there any actual logistical benefits to being an MCN versus just having people sign contracts the old-fashioned way? Does YouTube actually decide to get an intern to handle your requests instead of needing to pray to algorithm-jesus?

>>17439024
Those should go away after 6 months.

>>17439202
>>17439216
It might insulate them from the issue where if 1 channel gets 3 strikes the whole network goes down. Or make them more vulnerable? No idea.

>>17439024
You know there are plenty of Western companies that are way more liberal than Capcom right

>>17439053
Reading through quickly, Hololive is basically a de-facto MCN and has been since basically forever. This move just formalizes it in Youtube's system, probably making it easier to manage things. Hence, the need to temporarily pause memberships while channels are moved from 'individual' to 'MCN networked'.

>>17439216
yes. an MCN has all adsense go through a single account for all channels in the MCN, so it makes the money logistics a shitload easier when you dont have to juggle 50+ different adsense accounts.
It also allows channels to easily join or leave the MCN if they want to recruit a pre-existing channel, or let someone actually leave and keep their channel.

>>17439121
then they should copy Suisei blatant shilling, shill during your collab, shill it on their outfit reveal, put it on your zatsu screen layout, etc

>>17438741
I actually don't hate Nijisanji, on the contrary I like Ange, Amam-
>Korone's Pepsiman, Siren, and Dragon Lair streams all gone.
WTF? I hate Nijisanji now

>>17438701
So is that what happened to nijiEN a couple weeks ago? i recalled some anon said that nijiEN can't access memberships for a couple days.

What things can holoen learn from Kenmochi

>>17438701
does this mean if one channel gets a strike all the others don't have to worry since the channel is owned by the member and not hololive?
if so, could this mean permissions might not be as much of an issue moving forward

>>17438701
can this repel the CCVID?

>>17438701
Does this mean there's no more CCVID since Susan is taking some of the ad money from Hololive?

Mythia already passed Bae and Fauna despite still being inactive.

>>17439299
>It also allows channels to easily join or leave the MCN if they want to recruit a pre-existing channel, or let someone actually leave and keep their channel.
Thing is, this isn't a feature that exists for Cover because of Vtuber conventions. I concede that it makes monetization paperwork easier, but beyond that does it actually change/improve their ability to use YouTube?

Does this, for example, help their YouTube contacts sort out data when Cover says something's broken? Does it potentially partially cure CCVID by having the MCN act as an un-flag condition for patterns that might otherwise overlap with botted/manipulated users? The copyright thing is moot because strikes are still on an account-by-account basis, and the lack of MCN didn't stop the apocalypse.

>>17440064
Is not. It's just that they'll deal with copyright issues more easily

>>17438701
>>17439216
>>17439607
Has Nijisanji already registered themselves as a Multi-channel Network on YouTube, or have they still not, like Hololive had before now?

>>17440160
maybe it will allow youtube to look at holo more closely and see that there is something weird going on with the realtime views

>>17440253
They did

>>17440253
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multi-channel_networks

They're not listed here.

>>17439101
What the hell? Why didn't I see a bait thread about this?

>>17440414
is that list even being maintained regularly?

>>17440160
There have been a lot of groups before that let the VTubers keep their character even after leaving, like upd8. It all just depends on the individual companies whether or not they'd let their talents do that.

>>17440366
When? Was it all the way back from the start, or did they only do it recently?

>>17439101
He seems pretty nice about it tho.

>>17440456
Don't ask the question if you already know the answer, also Mori did something stupid (again) so schizo are gonna be busy making alot of thread about that.

>>17440160
It can also apply for copyright for the entire MCN network instead of individual channels, so it could remove a HUGE amount of extra work getting approvals for some copyright stuff.
Example: original songs, right now cover has to micromanage every single channel to give it a whitelist so the bot doesn't blast other members that sing them. As an MCN they can just whitelist the MCN to sing the original songs and not have to micromanage every channel.

They where already acting as an MCN, they now have actual official tools to do so.

>>17439101
Don't shitpost using Ngo you turbonigger

>>17440696
Kek, thanks Mori, throw a bone at the Council schizo as well so that I can at least have a tame discussion in this thread for a day

>>17440908
I recall at one point the remix songs that A-Chan put out kept going after Holos monetization.

>>17440414
Because they aren't one yet retard.

>>17440366
>>17440414
Looks like they started in august 2019 and stopped in may 2019
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000063.000030865.html
https://network.nijisanji.app/official_site/
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%E3%81%98%E3%83%8D%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AF

>>17441054
I meant they started in may 2019 and stopped in december 2019
This is why you should always reread what you write

>>17441054
Use https://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/dencoder/ next time.
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/にじさんじネットワーク

This will be fun to watch

AHHHHHHHHHHH LUI NOOOOOOOOOO

No more phony covers please, just cover an anime song. Fuck. There's tons of animes that fits your leader role like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GuMZkJmad8

I really want Lui to become an FPS singer chuuba like Towa, I don't what she intends to do