/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

money

They pay in exposure

>>17819775
this but unironically
they're all making like 10x what they would've been without being in hololive, even after the susan and cover cuts
like man, I fucking hate cover as a company, but the brand is a powerful one

>>17819663
They collect a cut, duh.

>>17819663
3D concerts, 3D models, connection to 2D artists/riggers
+ A FUCKING CATAPULT TO FAME

Take their cut. Nothing personnel.

>>17819663
Real life sponsorships, concerts, studio time, hologra, lessons, scheduling.

Wait until you grow up and find out that it's not uncommon for working adults to buy things themselves in order to do their work.

>>17819663
It's like high fashion. Not high quality or even as nice looking as the more basic stuff but in it for the brand

Free 100,000 subscribers, the ability to collab with Hololive members, and connections to get merchandise and sponsorships.

do commies really?

An audience day one, then the bucktooth gook gets a cut till they graduate

>>17819663
yagoo is using the superchat money to fund research on something nefarious

assign management

They show up on cliquey japanese tv what the fuck do you think

>>17819663
Make a really shitty horror game that the chubas are contractually obligated to pretend is scary.

>>17819663
rip money

>>17819663
They...cover for other stuff.

>>17820132
hololive error is such a strange thing to spend money and resources on, and the upcoming open world game is definitely going to go the same way, a big fucking waste of money. I always thought that Cover could always do a big overhaul and give all their vtuber talents brand new models that actually look good and are well rigged because I hold an autistic grudge over Cover claiming to be a "cutting edge 2D entertainment company" providing "the most advanced virtual entertainment experience from Japan" because a 2view indie vtuber model makes a good number of hololive's vtuber models look extremely outdated. The sad thing is, because hololive's talents generate lots of money anyway, they feel there's no need to make their product look good, because people are giving money regardless, and instead of using all this money to improve their product, they just waste it on stupid projects like a hololive themed horror game

>>17820518
>muh models
t. uncanny valley fag

>>17819663
Get than 100k subs and 1k-5k ccv in less than 24 hours after debut.
They get success and exposure so fast, that twitter and youtube thinks they're some kind of Chinese super bot.

>>17819775
thats clipers

>>17819775
>>17819830
Yeah. There's very few chuubas which I think didn't really get much of an upgrade in life from Hololive.
I imagine Reine was doing just as good before as she has after.
I don't really know much Hololivers past lives or roommates. But it sounds like most of them has been living a pretty modest lifestyle.

have a brand

>>17820060
Yeah more covid variants to rake in that isolation money

>>17819663
Cover gives you their stamp of approval plus you are mandatory voluntold to show up for the big company events. Plus your given access to collab with other holos. Everything else you have to pay for out of pocket.

>>17820592
Its one thing to have a hyper realistic model, its another to stick your best performing vtuber with a shitty rigger because of nepotism

>>17821560
So basically Cover is like machinima?

>>17819663
Free avatars, free advertising, you get to participate in concerts, free studio, monthly salary, better sponsorship, paid events. There's a reason Mel hasn't graduated yet.

>>17819663
https://youtube.com/watch?v=V722bYH07P4

>>17819663
Helping with their tax reports

>>17819663
Free 500000 subs within 1 week

>>17820518
>they feel there's no need to make their product look good, because people are giving money regardless
This is one of my biggest criticisms of cover. I think the open world game could be good if done right, if they combine it with streaming somehow.

>>17819926
When a company actually wants you they comp a ton of your expenses lol of course not every company actually wants every employee

>>17819663
Cover curates vtubers so (you) don't have to. It's really too bad though because 3/5 council should not have passed the audition, but when you have many thousands of people auditioning and there are 10-20 at the top with a similar level of quality, at that point it comes down to individual preference, and the need to fit the person to the avatar. Evidently yagoo's preferences are not my own.

>>17820728
As far as I know only Reine and Haachama would be the ones who never needed it, since both are rich as fuck.

>>17821527
This. Covid was created to promote vtubers

They fuck them. Just to make sure they are virgin and qualify for idol.

>>17821662
Yo I know cover can be shit sometimes, but comparing them with the biggest scam in Youtube content creation's history ain't it, chief.

>>17821778
Yeah this is close to my take on cover. They clearly bring a lot of value to new talent with salary and exposure and a starter kit.
But damn it feels like everyone in management/development positions do less than nothing

>>17822170
Lamy also. Haachama has rich parents since she's being sent to international schools. But she's at the point of being disowned by her parents.

>>17822170
Like her parents just randomly sent her to Australia for a month just because?
Like that's some fuck you money right there.

>>17822338
As far as we know, Hololive was A-chan's and Sora's idea which was presented to Yagoo, the guy wanted to make a VR gaming company or some shit, so when the money started rolling in by some kungflu miracle, he started working on his dreams of vr again, sadly they are way behind on everything and his team proved to be mediocre at best. I really want to beleive he's using money from his own pocket to fund those instead of the girls's.

>>17819916
and pay salary, and....
they should do more for the talents, but they're not just sitting their looking derpy, either.

>>17819663
Work visas. Similar reason why random non gamer streamers join esports orgs.

>>17820635
You need exposure first to get clippers.
There are tens of thousands of 2view vtubers that will never get clipped because they don't have exposure.

>>17823424
Holos get salaries? I thought the contract was full share of membership and they get the cut of donos

>>17827937
They get a very very small salary. If you've ever seen that meme Kanata shirt, they only made that so she'd have enough to live on before she got monetized.
And I'd be very surprised if Cover wasn't taking a cut of the memberships as well

>>17819830
>10x
Holy lowball

>>17828167
A few of them were popular enough that that's probably right. Most of them are much higher though, yes.

>>17819926
my company gives me clothing allowance, food allowance, chalk allowance, supply allowance, transportation allowance, & many more.
I'm a teacher

>>17828390
In my place, that's because the base salary for teacher is kinda low (if compared with other field job)

>>17828610
$2.5k a month is pretty low but prices here are cheaper than the US and all my expenses are pretty much paid. I can also save up my monthly allowance since I ride a bike and cheap out on the expenses. But if I would have a family that would mean I'll be in a deficit.

>>17829365
forgot to add tax fucks with me every time with my salary

>>17821608
>its another to stick your best performing vtuber with a shitty rigger because of nepotism
Gura is 4th overall in superchats, is dog shit at sponsorships as well, she's not the best performing anything outside of taking Kizuna's dead subs crown.

EN's biggest moneymaker is still Mori.

>>17822360
Haachama sounds like someone who might become a suicide statistic if someone doesn't step in to help her.

>>17819663
Instant success and wealth

>>17829646
>EN's biggest moneymaker is Mori
EN truly was a mistake...

>>17829691
She is not trans though

So judging from this thread, was that faggot C*nn*r right when he said you'd need talent to be in Hololive and be successful?

>>17829874
you don't* fuck me

>>17829874
Yes. You still need talent to get in at all (to some extent), but once you're in your set no matter what you do.

>>17829783
Not trans can suicide anon....
In Haachama's case, survivor guilt was crawling on her back for fucking year and she show sign about suicide in her stream subtley way like beheaded herself.

We haatons are eternally indebt to Coco and Kanata

>>17819926
My company bought me a monitor and chair and pays over half of my internet and phone bill every month.
Find better work.

>>17830205
>Sana
> Anya
> Choco
> Robocco
> Ayame

No

>>17820635
That really worked for nijisanji

>>17830497
>> Choco
Carried the company on her back, boosted her roommate's profile, and has friends. Her merch run with Mel last month made $100k. Remember, they get the lion's share of merch they fund themselves, cover doesn't invest on non-anniversary/birthday merch.

>>17819867
They paid for their 3D and solo concert themself.

>connection and exposure
So black company doing scam huh?

>>17830470
My company borrow my money from me and not pay my salary

>>17830470
Your company doesn't split the revenue you generate with you, dumbass

>>17830650
wtf where are you working???

>>17830497
You're really including Ayame on that list?
Ayame, who has 1 million subs for nothing? Who makes thousands instantly the rare occasion she DOES stream? Not to mention any monthly income from members?
That Ayame?
She proves the point very well.
Even Sana, for as much as this board shits on her, is more popular than almost any non-Holo vtuber out there, just because she has the brand attached. Not even shitting on her content, I don't watch her, because it literally does not matter what she does. She was destined to get more than most other streamers EVER will the second Cover signed her on.

>>17830724
Newfag got, Ayame was an old gen that carried hololive when they were 2views

>>17830724
Sana is in the top 100 vtubers in viewership out of more than 20k. Like it or not she is in the 99.9th percentile.

>>17830609
And died by chink's hands.
After her Tibet yab, Choco never be popular and stream at Bilibili ever again.

>>17830691
China

>>17819663
Give them an automatic 300k+ subs on debut, guarantees $10k+ a month after everyone gets their cut, many times more if you're popular. Nothing much.

>>17830895
She died because youtube cracked down on ASMR stream and all the ASMR holos took a big hit. Stop talking about things you don't know, retard

>>17830952
>an automatic 300k+ subs on debut,
Sana...

>>17830940
Many such case

>>17831013
Her dog died

Niggas ITT dont know brand equity

>>17831161
Most people in this board are either underage, neets or wagecuck commies stuck in shitty jobs

>>17829783
>Only trannies kill themselves
you're trying too hard to fit in

>>17830821
Ok, but she doesn't do anything NOW, yet the brand stops her from falling into obscurity. Also doesn't explain all the new members who never stream but remain successful.
>>17830832
Yeah, I know. That's my point, being in Hololive guarantees you a spot at the top, no matter what you do or don't do

>>17830940
Sucks to live there, you have my prayers.

>>17831161
apple

>>17830895
No, she was the lead when they were erolive and her ASMR was king but Susan cracked down on her. Bilibili meant so little to her she just fucked off rather than deal with them. She never made much of anything from bilibili.

There's the "tipping jar" for the bottom earners
And I'm pretty sure they negotiate sponsorships for them
Alao I'm 100% convinced 5% senpai tax is not a meme and it goes to Sora.

>>17831291
>Ok, but she doesn't do anything NOW
How is that even relevant to the discussion? She was part of the gens that built the brand, she gained her fans and now she can afford to stream a couple of times after her collabs, hologra recordings and other events and still keep her viewership high. Other holos don't get the same numbers which means it depends on each one
Stop using old gen JP holos if you don't know the context, only gen 5-6 can be used as comparison for EN1 and EN2 because of how they rode the brand success by debuting with 100k subs

>>17831013
reached 300k several time but got culled by yt.

>>17819663
mod haters

>>17831291
Ayame is way more popular than
>Sora
>Roboco
>Azki
>Mel
>Matsuri
>Aki
>Haachama
>Choco
I gotta give it to you that Connor was right about hololive (EN)

>>17819663
Cover google translates Japanese sentences to English so the chuubas can sing them awkwardly.

>Gen 0 to 2
Pretty much nothing besides a basic $200 a month salary. You get a model and maybe 3D. Most holos were streaming to 3 digits viewers, with some exception like Aqua or Choco pre-ASMR shadow ban.
>Gamers to Gen 4
More prolific after their Azur Lane collab. Still wasn't as big with most debuts cap out to low 20k viewers. Bigger networks to collab within Hololive. Concept of "gen unity" started to take place among gen 3 and 4. Around this time Cover starts to improve on their 3D tech so you have a lot of interesting 3D streams. This mostly stopped once the lock down started in Japan.
>Gen 5/EN onwards
Six digits CCV debuts are the norm. Welcome aboard package includes a free 200k subs, 5 figures SC in the first month, sponsorship, etc...

>>17819663
they take take most of the revenue from the streamers

>>17835740
>Most holos were streaming to 3 digits viewers, with some exception like Aqua or Choco pre-ASMR shadow ban

Mmm, they weren't quite THAT low since 2018. It was certainly on the low end but for 2019, most of them were breaking 1000 consistently and the median was more around 2500.

>>17819830
It’s powerful because people like the talents, not because cover is some amazing company. In fact, their tech is incredibly outdated and they’re spending their money on stupid side projects instead of improving existing tech.

>>17820518
Their streaming app is getting mogged by vtube studio. Until they address that, nothing else matters.

They don't have to lead the pack but they can't fall behind

Cover's not really an amazing company but it's the talents that carry the company. They don't invest in anything that would make their chuuba's streaming better for all parties and make better rigging instead they'd rather develop shitty games and unneccesary apps that nobody wants. Not only that, if we get HomostarsEN this year, it'll only prove that Yagoo is copying Riku's success.

it actual seems stupid on covers part to make pay for the songs since they than would be able to make money from it.

>>17819663
cover even pays for a % of their original songs anonchama, watch streams