/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>1782142
nijiwho?

Nijisanji may not have a reach in west but it has a large english-speaking fanbase in SEA and China.

>>1782142
WTF. What Niji did to have almost 200k??

One of their strengths is also one of their greatest weaknesses. They have so many members that a few are bound to stick and be popular. The top ones help out the ones that are lagging behind at the bottom. Even with how many have retired or been suspended, I think they still have 150 active members. That being said, I'd have to regularly check if a certain vtuber is Nijisanji if they don't have the visible rainbow or link to it in about page. I can barely name 20 Nijisanji members but I can name most if not all Hololive even if I don't watch them personally.

let's see after NijiEN released

Niji has a more loyal jp fanbase while hololive is just a meme

>>1782344
what i dont like about nijisanji channel is they don't feature their fellow vtuber in their channel, thats make it hard to find other nijisanji vtuber

even their official nijisanji channel only feature their other channel branch, not their talents unlike hololive

>>1782142
the only reason hololive can even compete with niji is the western audience (originally it was the Chinese audience, but they obviously got dropped)
niji has a much larger chunk of the japanese audience and that's the core audience, for obvious reasons.

>>1782142
I don't know any nijisanji even though i can understand Japanese

>>1782473
No you cant

>>1782456
Do people actually watch the Hololive and Nijisanji channels?

>>1782142
They have good streamers. I'm prepared for people who never watched them quoting this with smug sarcastic reaction images though.

>>1782344
They have 103 in JP anon. And there's many who don't have as many subscibers as the top but have a lot of live viewers.

>>1782344
Seriously? I can't name all the jp vtubers but I recognize at least them per character model compared to a few months ago when I only knew the most popular.

I think all of this just come with interest anyway as I watch both agencies and try to learn about them.

>>1782510
hololive has a bunch of skits and recently they added english subs to them, people usually sub for that.

>>1782330
Power Pro tournament. yeah, that baseball game from konami. they had a good number of vtubers from niji jp in the tournament, at least 50 iirc and I think all were on maimoto's channel

>>1782142
Chinks and seaniggers. Keep in mind that those bug and seanig views are mostly worthless for youtube ad revenue and superchat revenue which is why nijisanji also decided to start focusing on westerners recently.

>>1782510
Niji's channel posts weekly programs like levergacha and B-grade variety, clips, podcasts, and promotional ads

>>1782677
This doesn't make any sense when Ichikara makes most of their money from merchandise in JP instead of youtube.

>>1782720
jp is not the same is Chinese and sea.
jp have money, their views have worth to the algorithm and to advertisers, so having a japanese audience is good.
you get money from their views and you can sell them merchandise.
sea are usually poor, you get much less revenue off them.
Chinese are the worst, they can't even legally watch youtube so their views are almost worthless, they can't even legally watch youtube, don't have monetization enabled and all use vpn's.

>>1782510
The Nijisanji channel hosts a bunch of variety shows, radios, and animated clips. It honestly seems more shocking to me that lots of people watching Nijisanji don't watch the official channel more. Levergacha has high budget, Nijibara has some irl stuff, NijiQuiz lets you see which members are high iq and which are actually dumb, and Tsukiichi is JK Gumi and some news. The official radio also frequently brings on other members which you can just toss in the background. It's baffling they still choose to host Lize and Lulu's radio show on the official channel instead of either member's channel too since it'd probably get like 10x the views there. There's people still asking what happened to Lulu even though she talks about it on the radio show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc_r8BhGM9E&list=PLout9ZF2aCT_poXC0mdy02F2E1cS5fBpC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfS01BpGFIc&list=PLout9ZF2aCT_XY8jFTHnBmnqXdRpQG0Lx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uKI7-E3hXc&list=PLout9ZF2aCT8fkNpVy_lDhCG8zdlVhdCL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO7egHj103U&list=PLout9ZF2aCT_igH65clfO3NIIGHK6t0oR

>>1782142
>Can someone explain to a newfag?
fixed.
Nijisanji is the number vtuber agency in Japan and was in number one in the world for a very long time. 'Was' is even arguable because they just dont dominate the English speaking market

>>1782330
>>1782602
It was an CPU tournament kinda like Holofightz, there are 6 teams lead by a manager (Maimoto, Shiina, Kenmochi, Yashiro, Lize, Deron) who built their team in the Koshien mode of the game and after spending 3 years in that game mode then face each other in a tournament bracket.
They also did a baseball draft stream to divide the 100 niji jp members into those 6 teams.

>>1782677
Why would SEA be watching Nijisanji when they mainly use English to interact? Hololive probably has nearly as huge an advantage with SEA viewers as they do EN. Even with Google Trends, Nijisanji is twice as searched in SEA vs America, but it's still 5x less than Hololive.

kancolle vs azurlane argument but for vtubers

Set your twitter trending topics region to Japan and you'll see why. There are nijisanji related topics trending almost every day.

>>1782677
Meds

>>1783090
I can't read japanese so I don't know

>>1782861
so it's true that hololive only was able to compete in JP when they tried and were able to get overseas public to boost their views and subs?

>>1783230
Replace Overseas with West Taiwan, and you're on the nose there.

The Azur Lane collab was one of the driving factors that led to Hololive being bigger in the West than Niji.

And Memes. Although tbf, it's hard to keep track of how and when the memes started getting traction

>>1782456
That’s what the member page on the website is for

>>1782456
They do link to every vtuber that's featured in the videos on the main channel, and that's what really brings the attention. Someone watching a puchisanji (short animated video about some situation that happened on stream) then going to check the featured vtuber's channel is a lot more likely than someone sifting through a members list.

>>1782344
We nijifans are't idolfan, not corporate bootlicker , we only suport individual chuber

>>1782142
Because Nijisanji is more popular than hololive in JP.
The overfloated numbers from oversea viewers are just misleading.

I'm not going to make it, I can only watch so many Ars apex streams.

>>1783972
I automatically filter any Apex stream that isn't CR cup.

>>1782677
>Chinks and seaniggers
Chinks and seaniggers are your kind though. The only audience nijisanji has is Japanese and only Japanese

>>1783085
Nobody remembers DQ and FF comparison

>>1783085
niji is kancolle and holo is azurlane?

>>1784169
Hey, that's actually a perfect example. That said, FF nearly doubles the sales of DQ even if DQ sells more in Japan, so Holo probably needs a bit more steam to reach that. Assuming NijiEN just bombs and dies at sub 100k.

>>1782142
Nijisanji is more popular than Hololive in Japan. Simple as that.
Of course, this does not mean Hololive is not popular in Japan. They are in a much better position than other agencies (check out Re:act numbers, for example).

some faggots get mad so easily that is funny

>>1782142
Collabs and events are alwasy company events for many both holos and nijis. People from all places com to see that collab,3d event, birthday,etc.
Niji likes to host collabs on disitnct channels so they all have this big viewed videos. Unfortunately because they are so common also, they dont help the channels grow anymore hence they go back to low numebrs and barely any suscribers boost after.
>>1782344
>The top ones help out the ones that are lagging behind at the bottom.
i would actually says thats not true, the top ones overshadow the small ones, but you are right on the reason, there is just too many talents so collabs dont feel natural between talents that have not interated before. Niji cant have any sense of union across all is talents because the siez, as such small groups begin froming with little interactin between each. Hololive also suffers from that specially with its first gens, but the number isnt still that great so is dimished.

>>1783789

>>1784512
Please don't use Ui to respond to low tier bait.

>>1782344
> I'd have to regularly check if a certain vtuber is Nijisanji
Same, I can list every single Hololive member from all gens and branches
But I have no idea if others are Nijisanji or indies or some other group.
I guess it might be due to all of Hololive collabing with eachother while Niji is too big for that

Tbh I can probably recongnize more indies and smaller groups in total than I can of Niji vtubers

>>1782472
True
Nijisanji is 100% more popular in JP compared to Holo
But at the same time Holo probably has more independant translators/clippers only growing their EOP audience more and more
Quite rare for me personally to find Niji TL clips that aren't months old

>>1782142
>Look at those numbers
opinion discarded

>>1784644
Probably because you watch hololive much more than Nijisanji. I was the same as you until I began to watch clips, streams and try to learn bout them

>>1784693
recommend this channel

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFpzlwK5Lgm8lUVp_NXU2PsqBkiPmpHsX

>>1784644
i think a lot of that comes from the idols/family image cover, scratch that, the talents themselves have built.
You know they know each other you know they can name all of their coworkers even across branches. Even the management. nijis not so sure because of the size. Also Niji gave itself this image of being less serious and less restrictive with its activities than hololive, which is great but also has made many of the talents less consistent in their streaming.
On comparison hololive is more restrictive in the activities they can do, but the girls like to stream reagardless and as result is far easier to find almost all them streaming a day of the week.
>>1784693
i don't think anyone denies that Holo has more overseas viewers. thats obvious.

>>1782142
Niji has a big dedicated JP fanbase meanwhile holo has a moderate-sized JP fanbase. Their Numbers inflating because of a temporary fanbase, the EOPs. Those EOPs are passing fad hence the reclining views you currently seeing and the reason the holos are doing more English streams like Duolingo and shit just to keep them interested because they know they are losing EOP fans.

>>1782142
>How the fuck Nijisanji JP is able to compete with Hololive??
Why is this even a question? Was anyone in denial that Nijisanji is extremely popular just because it’s not big in the west lmao?

>>1782473
Branch out. I like watching Kanae and Kuzuha

even bloom can't save em. westerners audience peaked

>>1784980
But I'm not a homo though. I really don't get the appeal of male adults larping as anime fagboys.

>>1784980
>Kanae and Kuzuha
What are you gay?

>Ars Almal outdrawing Gura
shark shitter never drew a dime in her life

>>1785054
>doing like %1000 better than the competition
i dont think there much to worry about, seems they are stabilizing to summer numbers. They will be back to pre taiwan numbers and then increase again on holiday, asumming nothing bad happens

>>1785068
You’ll get it when you watch their videos. They don’t feel like they’re playing characters as much as the Hololive people do.
>>1785110
No My sexuality just isn’t fragile like yours.

>>1784932
This. Not to mention them opening auditions for the second gen of Hololive_en. Probably hoping for that boost the first gen gave them

>>1784933
4chan, reddit and overall hololive fans believe in that and act like nijisanji is a failure.

>>1784933
4chan, reddit and overall hololive fans believe in that and act like nijisanji is a failure.

>>1784932
Is this some kind of theory of yours or is there a basis to that?

>>1785054
kek nijisanji seriously doesnt exist for the rest of the world

>>1782510
At least i am subbed to hololive bc of Holograffiti, and the ocassional collab

>>1784932
They just got duolingo permissions and like everytime they get something new most of the holos jump to stream it. Geez, at least watch the streams

>>1785851
It's as if they are japanese streamers. This obsession to be known all over the world is a bit dumb.

>>1782860
>It's baffling they still choose to host Lize and Lulu's radio show on the official channel instead of either member's channel too since it'd probably get like 10x the views there.
Because that was an archive, 7/11 Nijiradio and LizeLulu was official show that aired on other platform first then add week later to YT for achieve purpose

>>1782142
I Mean you also have to take into consideration that even though Nijisanji has a majority of japanese speakers as their audience its not like they don't have any English speakers at all, Niji is clearly trying to push into the market for quite a while now and i hope they succeed

>>1786037
tell that to Ichikara and how they are pandering to EOPs right now, with the reddit shit or buying ads. Also Cover getting a new gen for EN. Admit it, japanese companies want the EOPs dick

>>1786126
i think it speaks more about the limits of the japanese market. There is a reason they try with the chinese,india,korea and indonesian market. What better way to growth if not worldwide specially since youtube is your main tool of advertising.

To be honest the first one that manage to get cheap merchandise in the west will be the real winner. EOPs give nice boost and exposure and lots of superchat but merchandise still not there for them because shipping costs. If they manage to get a western online store to distribute merchandise (whcih they need thos suscribers and view counts as evidence) then they will hit jackpot.

>>1782920
Kuzuha is actually popular on SEA's vtubing community for some whatever reason.
More popular than Niji ID branch I would say.
Is just recently that Hololive is catching up in special with EN, Moona and ID gen 2.

>>1786206
There is merch, is just not official merch. There are people taking advantage of the vtuber boom and selling lots of goods. And most of EOPs are buying this shits, even if Cover or Ichikara or any other vtuber company can afford to sell cheap merch it will never be cheaper than the cup of Pekora you can buy from your average anime convention.

>>1783304
The memes pretty much started with Miko's GTA V's nigga and Fubuki's Scatman, then exploited by Coco's Asacoco (rip) and peaked with Korone's ekan bukan.
But being honest, Nijisanji trended before than Hololive on the west with Country Roads' cover but it was back when Vtubing in the west was thought to be only for Kizuna AI.

>>1784873
I mean, still wouldn't work because In collabs Holos try to promote all their talents but with Nijis only the popular ones or the ones that are familiar with.
I remember on the plebbit fan site, before it became official, the main advise was to not follow all the nijis because you can't; Just choose your favorites and that's it.
Even on their nyansanji video for the jp branch, even tho it was only the girls not all of them were there drspite some of them appeared on 2D and the rest on 3D.

>>1784932
Anon hired by Ichikara, Aqua's 2 recent 11 hours Apex streams' VODs crossed 1 million views each one despite being full in japanese.
Not even Tokyo Ghoul managed to do that yet.
>>1785780
Just a shiller hired by ichikara
Hololive's main branch already has 3 big names: Pekora, Marine and Aqua.
Those 3 are the ones facing the top nijis over there.

>>1784980
Ichikara, you are in 4chan.
Shill your girls here.
Ange, Mito, Gundou, Lulu, Himawari.
And those are just the popular ones.

>>1786600
No one started off following every Holo either. Follow the ones you like and slowly branch out from there. There are enough collabs that you are bound to be interested in others. NIJI actually holds more tournaments/group events/festivals than Holo so you're going to be exposed to new livers whether you like it or not.

>>1786600
That really isn't true though. That big 190k stream there involved literally every member. The most popular show they released recently on their main channel the B grade variety one is hosted by one of the newer members and someone with 150k subs with rotating guests of varying popularity. The quiz show rotates guests with varying popularity too. Their Mahjong tournament and Mario Kart tournaments that did big numbers were both won by sub 1k live viewer streamers. One of the reasons Bora from KR got as big as she did is getting collabs with more popular members like Kuzuha. Their radio show rotates guests and hosts and often has smaller members on it.

>>1782426
This basically. Cover trying to focus on overseas is a mistake. I can't imagine most of you are still watching holos 3 years from now, while the Japanese will always be loyal because this anime things are ingrained in their cells. Most of overseas fans will get bored soon.

>>1786727
I saw them anon and most of them are by Nijis I already know.
I only follow some nijis and even only a bunch of Holos despite that i like Hololive more.
But Holos collab even with the ones who are on the bottom barrel of subs.
Then for Nijis, I mostly find new ones through youtube recommendations.

>>1786773
maybe nijiEN is also a mistake

>>1782677
this screams autist armchair analyst. t. seanig and hololive is king here, no one is watching nijisanji.

>>1786676

>>1786773
>this anime things are ingrained in their cells.

For fuck sake Ichikara hire better shillers and not some random gaijins.
Anime means animation in Japan, so anything that is animated is anime over there.
I would say the idol industry with real people is more integrated with the japanese general public than anime.

>>1786773
that doesn't count as a mistake because cover and hololive can't beat nijisanji in japan. getting foreigners to boost the numbers and give them "global prestige" lets hololive grow and get their 1 million subs the girls dreamed of.

long term it depends on how well they engage with their base and create different narrative so people come back. they have sea monkey hooked and even pander well with hololive id. they got reddit "ironic weebs" 14 year old too.

it really depends on how well nijisanji does with nijisanji english branch. nijisanji has japan and china so if they can do like 1/2 of what hololive is doing with english then no matter sea monkey nijisanji won in the long term.

>>1786848
Pretty much show Aqua is already on the leagues of Kuzuha retard.
Nijiniggers have been acting more violent lately, are they afraid the upcoming EN branch will be a failure lol.

>>1786922
You said something explicitly wrong that you could have easily checked yourself and someone proved it to you?

>>1786948
he's a mentally ill person calling people shill of course he'll lie get btfo and then pretend it didn't happen. all these mentally ill people do the same smearing shit on the wall act.

>>1786848
1 million views in a month is less impressive than 1 million views in a day.

>>1786948
>>1786985
>Believing and anon will actually acknowledge his mistake
>On 4chan
>From all the places

The way the two of you talk...first time on 4chan?
Just lurk more before doing anything.

>>1786909
>hololive can't beat nijisanji in japan
you never know anon, things can always change

>>1786991
holocope

From google trends it seems hololive is pretty much unknown in Japan, they only know nijisanji

>>1787065

Sounds like cope on your part actually, if you have to reach back a month to get the number of views Aqua has gotten in less than 24 hours on her Apex.

But by all means, reach back however far you want.

>>1786909
>long term it depends on how well they engage with their base and create different narrative so people come back

So pretty much Sora, Aqua, Haato, Shion, Ayame, Subaru, Miko and Fubuki will be the last ones standing on Hololive.
Pretty much like the amount of Nijis that are on top, if Pekora and Marine don't fad later on.
Haato, Miko and Subaru already had a settled amount of viewers.
Aqua, despite her main public was shut down by Cover, is on her best moment
Ayame and Shion pull good numbers despite barely streaming.
Fubuki and Sora are unironically icons of hololive.

>>1787040
>i'm a schizo here to spam and get btfo i'm like sooo 4chan
no you are some low iq sea moneky from reddit.

>>1787083

Hololive is definitely not unknown in Japan, else you wouldn't be seeing the sort of sponsorships it gets, but Niji is a more common name in general, though Hololive has made up amazing ground last year, and niji could very well be threatened on that count this year.Though it looks like their endgames are somewhat different, so they don't necessarily need to be in competition. Cover looks to be trying to make Hololive into a franchise of sorts, like the fate or idolmaster franchise for example, while Niji is going for variety entertainment with vtubers.If both succeed in their end goals, then they aren't necessarily in competition.

>>1786126
That's just capitalism my man. Nijisanji and Hololive are growing out of JP because they are a business but the jp is their main one and their biggest one.

>>1787111
>taking for the bait

Ichikara, hire better shillers next time
They are embarrasing

>>1787161
If you are talking about the holoalt thing then a lot of what people expect from that is stuff Nijisanji kind of already did? They have published an official game using Nijisanji characters, they have published multiple official manga series using Nijisanji characters, they have done official fantasy/sci-fi setting voice dramas using Nijisanji characters. They have even done animated TV shows using Nijisanji characters although not based in some fantasy setting. They even have a VR service up and running although that isn't part of Nijisanji project.

>>1782142
I understand nothing from your picture.
But, Hololive is doing everything right.
Japanese market is limited.
Now, time has come when many Japanese companies try to attract overseas viewers, and Hololive has succeed first.
Small numbers of popular streamers again is better than a huge pool of less known.
I would not be surprised if they overtake Nijisanji in Japan as well soon.

>>1786708
Sasaki? Toko? Lize? Rion? Nui? There's more options out there who make big numbers son.

>>1787083
Hololive isn't unkonwn in Japan but let's say that if hololive is big in there, Nijisanji is huge. Think like DQ in comparison to FF in the country. Two giants that are bigger than other companies and dominate the market.

>>1787355
Japanese market isn't limited at all. Kuzuha will reach 1 million in 2021 with most jp viewers and the others will reach those numbers in 2021 and 2022. There's many youtubers in JP with much more than 2 million and they have 0 reach of overseas viewers.

>>1787598
Come on now anon, even if they haven't reached the limit of the japanese market its kind of hard to argue that a market of 130 million people isn't limited compared to a market of billions of people.

all this shit is literally console wars but vtubers

>>1787091
>But by all means, reach back however far you want.

Sure:
>Kuzuha
201,753,309 total views

>Aqua
107,266,642 total views

Nearly double the amount despite having less subs. Cope, seethe and dilate.

>>1787845
Her channel has two years worth of privated videos.

>>1787749
What do you expect from /v/t

>>1787645
My point is that other youtubers in there have 3, 4, 5 million, so jp public can reach that over time. And for sure Nijisanji will reach it with or without overseas public, in the same way hololive would if they never reached overseas... just much slower.

>>1782142
>>1784693
There's over 3000+ translated clips with more pumped out everyday. Search Nijisanji on youtube to find them, they get low views but they're there.

>>1787874
It's the same for other holo members. Not a single one of them beats Kuzuha in total views. I think Pekora is the one with the most and she has only 145,016,325 views.

>>1786848
>getting matched by an autist girl without even a team for a collab. man tokyo ghoul needs to come with something new if he doesn't want to make this poster look bad.

>>1788033
That's just because Hololive is all about female streamers.

>>1787091
the rise of aqua as a Apex streamer has been impressive 2 back to back 1M views videos without any collab or tournament.
is more impressive taking into consideration it came out of nowehere comparing her odler apex streams. But i think it shows the importance of suscribers. She is reaching a lot more people faster tha Kuzuha would hope.
people like to call dead subs many times but is high subs that makes the streams reach the subscription boxes of many more.
Matsuri has a similar effect when you compare her mini videos to those of nijisanji.
i dont she will 100% follow apex after season ends, but has been an interesting piece of data.

Nijisanji will never dominate superchat rankings since half of the biggest streamers don't even turn it on.

>>1788133
...Ok? Doesn't stop them from getting btfo though.

>>1788149
Because niji sells merch and doesn't need to e-beg.

>>1788240
That only proves that niji is too conservative and keep relying on old practices.

>>1788390
Seems kind of smart to me? You don't automatically lose 30% of everything to the platform selling goods on your own store. You instead get to charge high mark ups for cheap to manufacture items.

>>1782142
China

>>1788466
is stilll a huge flow of cash, there is a reason they have membership and events like birthdays,3ds and other streams have them available.
There is no reason to not focus on both specially when one comes on its own and littlw work on infrastructure.

>>1788496
yeah sure but if you have both options available and in place, surely you would want to direct the money towards the one where you aren't losing a large percentage of the revenue so immediately?

>>1783789

>>1788601
thing is you dont need to direct any moeny to youtube to stream. is free money if you have already an audience. Not like hololive or nijisanji pays extra for the internet the girls use just because they are streamers there isnt any deal or orders to be done. it is a bad comparison.
both companies pretty much squeeze as muchs as they want.

>>1788656
>holonigger calling a nijiCHAD esl
absolute state. seanigs are the vast majority of holo watchers

>>1788671
Think about it like this, for any given particular fixed point there is some finite size for your fanbase and as such at that time there is some limit to the amount of money you can get out of your fanbase. If you want to maximise profit then you are going to want to direct as much of that limited pool of money as possible towards the things you make the most out of. I don't know about you but selling pieces of acrylic or rubber with characters printed on them for $40 a piece seems like its quite a high mark up to me.

>>1788240
>>1788390
It's not just merch, they also selling voice pack more regularly.
This is how the less popular member got their money.

>>1788782
is a stupid comparision becasue with merchandise you need to pay and do the order first, then there is time constraint of it being manufactured, and then shipped which you need to pay first..
Youtube does the whole pay for the service at the end of the service ratehr than the start. Like i say there is no investment done on youutbe, it is already set in stone. You dont need to focus on it, just make it available. And you get money from both venues.
>>1788940
everybody has voicepacks

>>1788989
There really isn't much of a comparison when it comes to voicepacks between Nijisanji and Hololive though. There are usually at least 2 new sets a month and they can have upwards of 50+ members participating in each one. Hololive does them what when someone has a birthday or anniversary then maybe at a handful of special events each year?

>>1789040
hololive does them when the talent wants.
Kaira did one for hinotori for example and was requested by her.

>>1789040
There are Hololive voicepacks that are not limited by timeframe so you can buy one at any moment. As many times as you want.

>>1789079
That's not the same as having fresh new content multiple times a month though is it? Lots of people are going to buy a new voicepack everytime it comes out, but nearly nobody is going to be buying the same one repeatedly.

>>1789137
If fans were actually trying to give the members money rather than just trying to have their comment read, they would just use the voice packs as a substitute. The problem is only that Hololive hasn’t encouraged buying voice packs over superchat, aren’t sure if their fanbase wants that considering how much more they make during superchat readings, and already make nearly 3:1 on merch vs superchat anyways.

>>1787749
It was always like this
But with EN attracting newfags to this site and the creation of this board it became worse.

>>1788775
I accept your concession

>>1782142
pic related

>>1795639
quick holoen numbers are dropping lets invent a new method of measuring that uses different numbers

>>1795882
nijicoping 101

>>1795930
thats an accurate summary of that image though? some guy observed a drop in holoen numbers so now he is arguing that a different method he invented is a better way to measure

>>1795882
is Mito holoen now?

>>1795639
Doesn't this just indicate the high turnover rate? A view is counted even if someone just opened the stream for a minute. That way you'll be getting high view numbers with low viewcount.

>>1787214
huh, never heard of any of those aside from voice dramas, let alone any manga or anime of them, then nevermind, Guess both are doomed to stay forever competitor, and Hololive is going to be their rival for the foreseeable future.

>>1796099
I think he talking about Nijibara, Levergacha, the homestay one(that aired on Abema TV), and recently announced new one.

>>1795882

There's definitely some live viewer fuckery going on. Consider that Miko's first almost guerilla stream of minecraft on twitch hit ~15k viewers.

Then consider her 2nd stream, which again wasn't planned for twitch, hit 18k viewers. In both cases, those viewers remained pretty stable. around 15-16k, not much dropping, it seems likely that is her true core number of viewers. The people who keep up on her tweets, go beyond notifications, and will follow her cross platforms.

Compare that to her average 'core' viewer number of 10k or so on Youtube, and her live viewer count is being cut by at least 1/3rd.for some reason, unless you believe 7k random twitch viewers decided to tune in to the new anime girl playing minecraft.

>>1796070
That's what dividing them by stream time is for. Stream time is one of the most important factors in vod views, and I pointed in the same thread what OP should have taken out in addition, but he still took most of the important ones out. Just ignore the outliers and look at how many views they get during the timeslots they most often stream, or if they're actually even then the average. Also this chart is making no claims about average watch time, revenue, or cross contamination between channels, simply number of unique views.

If you take out the outliers, it's more accurate for unique viewer comparisons than taking max live concurrent or vod views when max. live is just a floor.

>>1796070
>>1796552
Ah whoops I missed that it wasn't suppose to be an actual question. Yes, high views and low max. view count especially when their hours aren't long is an indicator of high turnover. Even if someone opens the stream for a minute, you've still had them watch for a minute though. You might fall in the watch time/impression category which is important too, but it's harder to calculate that when it's impossible to know how long someone watches a vod.

>>1796330
The prevailing rrat about the “YouTube bug” is them not counting Adblock users for live counts for whatever reason.
Japan being one of the lowest Adblock using countries and the US being one of the highest.

>>1796615
Well yt does have that statistic, but it's private to each channel owner. The only time I saw something like that get exposed is when they showed the streamers with most total hours watched. Iirc kuzuha and pekora were on the top 5 of their gender categories (data of full 2020)

Also the other thread died so I didn't bother but since we're on this topic again. These 4 are the ones who streamed at the time Youtube implemented their "bug". Which I think is around 10 mins before midnight PST on that day?

https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/Ecqjf5LSFZw
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/ijjpLELlc5o
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/-FppOS_KKzw
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/QQRrttvZ8Ms

You can make an argument for Polka having a large US audience, but Lamy? Even if you pretend Lamy has a large international audience, Marin? Kuzuha most certainly seems to have dropped a bit too, although his rise in Apex overtakes that. He dropped a few thousand right after starting a game.

Also for people talking about Youtube saying there was an actual bug, they were talking about this bug which has long since been fixed.

https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/RRHucdudI1c

>>1796788
I remember those top 5s had streamers of both youtube and twitch. Either there is a way to get that data, or, more likely, some1 big asked/paid them both and got it

there's no youtube bug.

>>1796891
ok susan

>>1796934
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

>>1796858
That other one that gets posted showing the most watched streams in japan is literally just multiplying average viewers by time streamed

>>1796858
Those Top 5s were from Stream Hatchet, and they were ranked by views, not watch time. I guess normal people wouldn't really differentiate between most watched and most viewed.

seriously what sort of 'bug' is it that only affects a single company in particular? obviously there's some sort of viewer manipulation is going on and AI caught on it

>>1786773

EN is about 20% of Cover's revenue with just one generation. Not to mention how much of an advertisement this whole thing was. Gura is going to surpass Kizuna soon.

>>1797036
obviously the chinese and nijisanji fans ganged up on youtube to force them to bias the system against hololive

>>1796967
>>1796975
Nope it says hours. The top 5 is not from japan. its from the world. But source was indeed stream hatched
https://twitter.com/dexerto/status/1349032494759174145

>>1797036
It's because of ip's coming from many different countries while Niji is mostly JP.

>>1797129
here's the top5 male streamers

>>1796967
Oh this one. Are you sure that's what they did? because that's highly questionable for them to do something as stupid as counting average CCUxHours streamed to get total watch time.

Either way, if they wanted that they should have done Views^2/Average CCU. Or if they wanted to link hours broadcast beyond how it's incorporated into views, they should have done >>1795639 chart first.

>>1797036
it affects Mito (nijisanji) as well>>1796041

>>1796552
It's not really different from what just number of views will tell us then? Longer streams have more views is a given and is taken into account by default when it comes to the number of views, especially if it's views by the end of the stream. The same way special events are looked at differently from regular streams.

>>1797129
Ah, it's just ANN screwing around and putting views instead of reading properly too. I should've known better than to rely on them just for being at the top of searches. I'm curious how they got these numbers too then.

>>1797217
You can do it yourself, take the minutes watch, divide it by 60, divide it by the hours broadcast and you get more or less the average CCU allowing for some rounding being in there in the various numbers

>>1797281
It gives a better sense of number of unique viewers compared to just number of views.

Dividing by stream time solves the problem of having the same person check back in and out multiple times during a stream. The only problem it causes is that people who watch 1 min are counted once, 2 mins counted as half of a min, etc. Basically it weights 100k views in 1 hour as much as 200k views in 2 hours, but doesn't take into account the number of people that watch over 1 hour, ie. how it's naturally harder to gain more unique viewers as time goes on, but this isn't a problem in a comparison because all of them are affected around equally, at least when you do it by minutes. At worst, this just indicates that some people in the chart might have a much higher avg watch time causing them to lower a bit.

Also giving me an idea about how there seems to have to be some way of getting unique viewers through this + logging their CCU per minute, and assuming vod viewers behave the same as live viewers, but I can't be assed for that.

Can someone explain what is exactly CCU? Does it come from views, from live viewers, or neither?

>>1797635
It's just Concurrent Users.

HOLOIVE DOMINATION

>>1797731
I kneel

>>1797731
read the posts above you

>>1797861
>>1797269

even with the "bug" it does seem like there is some degree of genuine drop off in foreign interest in hololive, you look at the google trends interest over time and its a slow downward trend since holoen debuts, you look at comments/posts a day on the reddit and its the same story slow downward trend since holoen debut

>>1797269
>Now the "bug" also affect Nijisanji

>>1797290
>ANN
>When the numbers were taken by Streamhatch

Anon...your investigation reps...

>>1797968
thats how it works anon, they get peaks and downs, then some stabilization, then peaks and downs again.

Expect more a peak after Vsinger debut and another down one month after it, then stabilization and then another peak when Holo EN gen 2 debuts

>>1798052
I'm talking about this article where they just used views instead of hours watched.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-01-13/hololive-usada-pekora-cracks-top-5-most-viewed-female-streamers-of-2020/.168331

>>1798078
kek, ANN can't even read a graph right

>>1798064
it kind of isn't how it worked though, before holoen debuts it was more or less just up and up continuously from early 2020 through to september

>>1797968
Is deam obvious the honeymoon phase is already over and the girls' numbers are now settle which are still higher even for regular streamers standards, in special when most of them were literal who? before hololive.

>>1797290
An integral of t / live viewers? It's not like there's any other way.

>>1798185
Of live viewers over time or how do you write it.
fix

>>1798153
don't know if they settled just yet? the entirety of holoen is down of subs and views over the last 30 days besides mori according to socialblade

>>1798185
Oof, I'm mixing things up. For some reason I thought they were including VOD view times and that the highest just naturally included streamers because they have the highest video lengths, but looking at it again it's obvious they only did streamers because they did just what you said + music channels would have an insane amount of hours watched.

I thought they might have had some special insight into average watch time, or had collected past data about tendancy of vod viewers on similar channels to estimate something up instead of literally just having a bot track live viewers and adding their time up.

>>1798384
question now is if VSingers and HoloEN2 are gonna boost or fuck EN1 over

>>1798384
Anon, check the other vtubers stats as well.
Many vtubers are on a downard trend, even from Nijisanji as well.
The thing is with Holo EN is that their numbers are settle.
Kiara gets an avg. of 4k, Amelia 7 to 10k, same with Mori and Ina while Gura breaks 10k.
Same with the akasupas they get.
Even Vshojo is already settle and their numbers are not bad...at least from N*anners and Melody.
Same with Pikamee.
While the rest are just going lower and lower unless you were on top before.
Example, MyholoTV gen 2.

>>1798501
They could supass gen1 if they play their cards right. Just look at Holo ID gen 2.

>>1797269
The other day too I noticed there were like 28k people or something around that number in the waiting room for the DoKuzuHonSha collab which dropped down by thousands once the stream started.

>>1787091
Those streams hit 1m in the days they were uploaded.

>>1799018
It usual takes time for youtube to process, just like right at the end of stream, the view number even drops lower than the concurrent view

ok so added to my pic some rough calcs based on the new links and graphs you anons gave (see the right side)

ok so added to my pic some rough calcs based on the new links and graphs you anons posted (see the right side)

>>1798123
most of the world were in a lockdown of course it will go just up and up.

>>1799384
What about people only checks the stream for five minutes and left for a hour and then checks again? Is it still count two views?
How about>>1799225

>>1782142
I love fantasizing about raping Sara

>>1800058
not that anon but I think cookies prevent that shit, even if you watch a video 10 times you only count as one view

>>1800258
You can't rape the willing

>What about people only checks the stream for five minutes and left for a hour and then checks again
"If you skip through a video but the total time you spend watching is more than 30 seconds, the view will count too. ... Repeated views (30 seconds rule) count up to a certain point (say, for instance, someone watches a video multiple times a day), but they stop counting at a certain number that YouTube has not specified.”
If they check a video up for longer than 30 seconds to later quit, yes it probably counts, but usually you'd close quicker if you simply dont like the game or the collab person; not to mention that can happen to any channel pretty equally I guess. These very short view times would also hurt the vid for the algorithm, so it evens out.
>How about>>1799225
not sure what you meant with this second quote, but for the chart I used the vod views (what you see directly on their youtube channels)

>>1799384
>Mito had a deeper fall than Kuzuha

Bo wonder people don't shill her as much as before. Kuzuha is the current top dog of Nijisanji.
Still Gura is now stable on 10k and if ID gen 2 had shown something is that EN gen 2 can surpass their senpais if they are lucky enough.

>>1799384
just a note, you inverted the avg watch time expression when you wrote it in the picture. But, since your result numbers match mine with it not-inverted, I see you just made the mistake when writing it.

>>1800715
>Repeated views (30 seconds rule) count up to a certain point (say, for instance, someone watches a video multiple times a day), but they stop counting at a certain number that YouTube has not specified.”
with audience of 10k people, that is a lots even they only on and off few times
>If they check a video up for longer than 30 seconds to later quit, yes it probably counts, but usually you'd close quicker if you simply dont like the game or the collab person; not to mention that can happen to any channel pretty equally I guess.
That's your assumption, people usual stays at least few minutes, also you didn't count the people who maybe dislikes that part of stream but can comeback later for other part, or they switch between multiple streams for different POV when large collab happens or when multiple vtubers play in the same server like ARK or minecraft

Also when you look at the concurrent numbers and numbers after stream end >>1799384
Nijisanji's streamers have more concurrent views but lower views at the end of stream can also mean their viewers most likely will stay with the stream until the end while hololive's viewers will on and off a lot

>>1804201
Something tells me Nijisanji members tend to have proportionately more “dedicated” viewers who are more likely to watch a stream for long periods of time or watch the vod later if they missed a steam in real time than Hololive members do

Niji can't compete with Hololive. Instead, they compete with Holostars.
Also, 103.50

>>1805347
At this point, I just assume that whoever uses the meme number to shit on Niji is just shitposting.
It's a little bit of kindness on my part, because if they're not shitposting, they can only be retarded.

>>1804201
>That's your assumption
>now let me tell you what my assumption is
>while ignoring all the data explained on that picture
oogey

>>1788775
>seanigs are the vast majority of holo watchers
How delusional