/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Based tsoog thread

So...
Did the Rushia drama affect Holos at all?
Apparently shes still gaining subs so surely the damage isnt that bad

>>18237003
honestly if the Russia connection hits the youtube algorithm they'll probably experience a decent incline

>>18237003
Doesn't seem so.
And Rushia herself gained a bump in merch sales.

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Numbers are gay
and so are (you)

>>18237057
>>18237046
>>18237003
>Numbers are going up
Can Rushia be saved, then?

>>18237003
Biggest victim for the whole ordeal are the gachis anon. wait for a couple of weeks to see if they are still leaving SC for the girls at similar pace before the shitstorm

Guess I'll post this in the new thread since the old one is about to die.

Something that always struck me is wondering about the amount of casual viewers of HoloEN Myth that just didn't move over to Council/IRyS at all. I mention this because lets look at somebody like Kiara vs. IRyS and Bae. Both IRyS and Bae generally do considerably better than Kiara as far as daily stream viewership goes and have higher CCVs. However Kiara's music still gets millions of views while Bae and IRyS struggle to get traction on their songs.

>>18237107
Only if she doesn't neck herself.

>>18237003
Pretty normal

>>18237120
I wouldn't look that deeply into CCV for Kiara. Part of the reason she is so low is because she is the only one in Europe and streams at awful times for everybody. If she regularly streamed during NA prime time her viewership would likely be better than IRyS and Bae.

>>18237003
I think this is a good wake up call for a lot of gachikois, so the ones staying are the ones that don't really give a shit or are just lost completely

>>18237003
>Apparently shes still gaining subs so surely the damage isnt that bad
No big discernible changes so far, but i wouldn't be surprised if she does get a buff.

>>18237003
Of course the damage isn't that bad. The vast majority of people don't really care, yes, even the nips. Its just that the people that do care are extremely loud and obnoxious.

She might take a hit in superchats, especially if she tones down the GFE, but she will be fine.

Lamy hitting 15k with a midnight guerrilla ARK
still a buff game I guess?

>>18237120
I personally just don't like Council, at all. They are very different from Myth and just because they are HoloEN doesn't mean I have to watch them.
Also Council didn't impact the vtubing scene in the same way Myth did, so the truly casual viewers don't even check them.

>>18237107
Cover did everything right this time,
Its up to her now.

>>18237440
Refugees seeking a new home.

>>18237276
20k gain for:

shark who didn't stream
idol in the middle of her comeback arc

>>18237454
What did they do? Did they release a statement?

>>18237515
They completely ignored the antis and dramafags, who moved on when they couldn't force a reaction.

>>18237607
which is the best way to deal with any drama, along with banning both users and keywords

>>18237607
Any PR statement can and will be used against them. By waiting it out, it has pretty much died down, not counting the #WeLoveRussia crap created by the fans on accident.

>>18237515
ignored the outrage crowd and got rushia some lawyers

>>18237515
whether they had a hand in it or not, Korekore defused the core of the situation, so the dramafags should disappear slowly. Still worried about mafumafu antis long term.

Rest will be up to Rushia, she'll need to make a statement to fandead, hopefully a genuine one.

>>18237514
cool, shark is strong

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

Here it goes
>12,112: Baelz (Hololive)
>10,425: Mumei (Hololive)
>9,095: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>6,723: Ike (Nijisanji)
>5,407: Amelia (Hololive)

>>18237650
Yep, i think between Coco and Aloe they finally learned that giving a reaction just whips the scum into a feeding frenzy that demands even more.

>>18237724
kys

>>18237003
She will get some good numbers in her return stream maybe even beat the king, the problem is "will EOP saviors actually stay and become gachis?" Always remember most of these people defending her are clipfags or never watched her

>>18237724
EN Gold so far for February

1. Gura (Hololive) - 14,594
2. Amelia (Hololive) - 16,124
3. Baelz (Hololive) - 13,090
4. Gura (Hololive) - 15,901
5. Gura (Hololive) - 21,737
6. Gura (Hololive) - 15,900
7. Baelz (Hololive) - 9,914
8. Mumei (Hololive) - 15,409
9. Vox (Nijisanji) - 14,841
10. Calli (Hololive) - 21,458
11. Kronii (Hololive) - 11,342
12. Baelz (Hololive) - 12,112

Hololive - 11
Nijisanji - 1
Others - 0

>>18237724
Is there horny post for EN Gold? Not for males though, the same rules apply.

/#/ is declining.

>>18237724
>>18237766
kys

>>18237672
>speaking of #WeLoveRussia
Since it's trending on twitter under /pol/ the whole day, any chance some news network pick it up and featured it? I mean it's kinda funny and news worthy

>>18237741
Im hopefull her enventual statement will defuse gachis from leaving

>>18237790
hey man

>>18237777

>>18237731
Don't forget the Miko/Marine BL doujin shit and Cover forcing both of them to apologize due to drama that died in under 12 hours.

>>18237698
"i'm sorry you guys misunderstood the situation due to me forgetting to turn on streamer mode. sorry. please send me money"

>>18237741
you still overestimate the importance of gachis. As the ENs show, they can get rich with just good viewership alone. Scs are a vanity thing in the end

>>18237698
Some of Mafu's gachis actually posted messages in support of Rushia because they found the attacks on her so disgusting. I wouldnt be surprised at all if she actually gained some gachis from the other fanbase.
https://twitter.com/haru_0426_0225/status/1492317888786538498

>>18237766
Three golds this month for Bae!! Inclining RAT!!

Lamy 15k, incline?

>>18237905
KEK, also ruskies are getting "emboldened" to "come out of the closet" and assume themselves in front of the community.

First crop of ruskies were too loud and nationalitic (back when Botan debuted) so they started keeping it on the down low. May result in a resurgence in the ruskie market.

This reeks of Watamage interference

>>18237905
>Mafu defused most of the situation
>Every single dramatuber getting in on this story is on Rushias side
>Most of her gachikois are just waiting for her statement to come back
>Numbers are actually going up in terms of subs and merch
>Even the yumejos are on rushias side
Holy shit, I think she used up all her bad luck on that GTA stream, literally all the stars are aligning

>>18237250
For the chuubas too.

They're not 2 views and this isn't 2018 anymore, the gachis make up a very small fraction of their business.

I see them still talk about wanting gachis, because it definitely feels good to be so loved and supported, but are they willing to risk the downsides by going this deep anymore?

>>18237878
>free money is not important
retard

>>18238027
She was streaming with Miko who is both the most cursed member of Hololive and also the most blessed member at the same time, lol.

>>18238027
It helps that the dramafags and antis were hilariously overboard on top of that. Like, they couldn't read the room and all they ended up doing was galvanizing support for her.
Now it's up to her to put an end to this rather dramatic chapter though hopefully she doesn't so anything stupid like selfharm or graduate.

>>18238008
Rushia fans moving on Lamy?

>>18238008
15k is actually not that rare of a number for lamy, and she's had a couple of those with ark already

>>18238084
Its important but if Rushia took a hit in superchats it wouldn't affect her at all since they have so many other avenues of revenue.

>>18238027
>Nijis pay for twitter topics that do nothing
>Holos get hilarious twitter hashtag mistakes that help them incline
It keeps happening...

>>18238121
doubtful, but people would be looking for something to fill the time until she gets back

>>18237347
Rather generous of you to think the loud obnoxious people actually care rather than them just being dramafaggots.

>>18238177
It won't be hilarious if Russia actually invades so Yagoo's luck better stop WW3 for real.

>>18238027
The Korekore stream was the turningpoint, It exposed that the entire narrative of "THEY ARE DATING/LIVING TOGETHER" was just schizo rambling of dramaniggers adding hidden meaning that was not there to the discord message.

>>18238235
It helped KoreKore too, separated him from the run of the mill dramaniggers and exposed him to a whole new audience.

I listened to his whole broadcast that day, reminded me of shock jocks of old
>polemic but entertaining and usually balanced

>>18237724
>No ID golds
Nobody cares about ID...

>>18238332
Has ID ever gotten gold?

>>18238027
Damn, Cover is really good at crisis management. They could turn any potential career-ending disasters into free publicity.

>>18238347
Don't know about gold but Moona mogged the King once

>>18238332
Nothing is stopping you from doing it.

>>18238347
Tin is the best they can do in Jakarta

>>18238348
Cover whole role in this "crisis" was doing what they do best
>ACTIVELY *NOT* ACTING ON IT
Whenever they make a move they make things worse. Waiting it out and smothering any nonsense in the channels of communication they control was the best course of action and, here is the funny thing
>you can't even know if that was deliberate or an accident caused by their indecisiveness about what should be their next step

Fucking Watamage, I tell you

>>18238348
Realistically, what could cover have done on there? Maybe paid off Korekore, but he seemed more intent on saving mafus ass

>>18238347
Ollie

Why do you guys still numberfag?
If Russia starts WW3 next few days
we will all die.
Numbers will become meaningless after all

>>18238347
I think their (ID2) outfits and debuts may have gotten gold.

Hiromoot is reclining

>>18238507
We can count the number of days we have left in this world. Day 1.

>>18238514
Did Ollie's outfits reveal win a gold?(50k)

>>18238507
>he fell for the usual US fearmongering propaganda before the elections
Fucking retarded burgers

That's a lot of Lamy numbers when chloe is doing suffer kino. I think I know what's responsible for these numbers.

Luna no man's sky
7K
She has been inclining hard.

>>18238656
People checking out their new home.

>>18238507
Go ask your parents how many times in their life they were told ww3 was about to start.

>>18238490
They wouldn't need to, he is personal friends with Rushia for 10+ years and with Mafu for like 5+.
Unless he wanted to burn those friendships in a pyre he had to step in, because him not talking about it would be far more damning and might have indicated there was actually something there.

>>18238507
>he thinks wars in 2022 are apocalyptic events
kek

>>18238040
But that’s the thing that casuals and normies jumping in don’t get: Rushia level gfe was a couple steps beyond anything else any Holo was doing. Involving her rm social media, twitter stalking her fans, etc. Kiara for example makes it very clear she’s kfp’s employer who shows affection occasionally not their gf but she has a nice little cult fanbase that superchats on a level far beyond what her ccv suggests. Lamy Ayame etc same thing. They aren’t gilt tripping their gachis for changing their oshi mark on twitter or releasing engagement ring merch

>>18238507
i've played fallout. some will survive, don't worry about it

>>18238662
Probably because of her weird timeslot. Typically she do not stream in JP primetime, so she got to entertain a different set of people, and thus her own fanbase outside the box. Honestly, Gen 4 be having their own niche fanbase which does not overlap others' by a lot is good.

>>18238662
Vampire baby works well for her when she gets on a run.

>>18238662
Luna is DE (Daughter experience)

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>48,836: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>23,435: Miko (Hololive)
>22,971: Subaru (Hololive)
>19,497: Suisei (Hololive)
>17,936: Shion (Hololive)
>16,760: Lamy (Hololive)
>16,494: Lize (Nijisanji)
>15,076: Chloe (Hololive)
>13,067: Fubuki (Hololive)
>12,760: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>12,325: Gatchman (Indie)
>12,134: Baelz (Hololive)
>11,985: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,741: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>11,730: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>11,297: Mito (Nijisanji)
>11,183: Kanata (Hololive)
>10,423: Mumei (Hololive)
>10,232: Hayato (Nijisanji)
>10,195: Nose (VSPO)

>>18238040
>the gachis make up a very small fraction of their business
Nigga come on, not only do the whales make up most of their superchats but who do you think is buying all that merch? Especially for ones like the engagement rings

>>18238781
Lamy has released engagement ring merch though?

>>18238027
things have turned out better than they could have, but its not like she's unhurt. She will never be able to use the Yandere GF shtick again and have it still be effective. There's changes a coming.

>>18238858
11 holos
7 nijis
1 indie, 1 vspo
top 10 7-3 for holos, niji gold
pretty weak day for holos honestly, they recovered a bit by the end

Nose...

>>18238896
Orca san - rushia's biggest gachi is waiting for her to return.

>>18238450
Cover understands that sometimes the policy of inaction may be the best course of action to take cause sometimes the cost of acting on something may exceed potential benefits.
The best counter example of this would be on how Anycolor dealt with Lulu's issues. In hopes to gain brownie points in the eyes of the public, Nijisanji "proactively" helped Lulu with her stalkers issue, which resulted to her leaving the company because of the former's incompetence.

>>18238781
>or releasing engagement ring merch
That's an often mentioned point but that's a silly gimmick.
Even the gachiest and retardest of the gachis can't possibly assume they're entering an exclusive relationship with Rushia just because she sold him a mass produced ring that sells by the thousands

>>18238858
>23,435: Miko (Hololive)
>22,997: Reddit Duck (Hololive)
What say you Reddit Duck fanboys?

>>18238662
Even “weak” Holos have the advantage of having a massive latent fanbase that knows they exist and would be willing to watch them if they put in the work for 4-6 months. Sounds like a long time but most channels spend years grinding to build an audience and find their niche. Random channels that had celebrations at 20k subs since it meant they could quit their day job reacting to Myths early numbers is one of my favorite things to watch.

>>18238858
Nose...

>>18238945
Still way better than Coco and Fubuki situation,hope she is OK.

Lamy got 17K with Ark?

>>18238945
She'll change her act to be the opposite
>Minna.... Im so glad you all trusted me during those scary times...... Ill never doubt you again!! *kissing noises*

>>18237724
>>18237766
So where the fuck is my rrat horny posts?

>>18239035
Obviously but it sends a certain message about what type of streamer/fanbase relationship they want. Could you see Fubuki or Ina releasing something like that?

>>18239138

>>18239035
Not on its own but when everything is added up it's easy to see how they can delude themselves into it

>>18239035
anon, all you're saying is you never watched rushia streams. The merch was a commitment, and most definitely not treated by her as a pure gimmick.

>>18237905
>>18238016
>>18238027
WATAMAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE *Shake fist*

>>18238781
>>18239035
you never saw Chocos old merch?

>>18239138
>EN """gold"""
Give me Sanya lewds or give me death

Looks like Gura's clip compilation reached 300k. I expect this is the sort of video that will keep growing on the channel, nothing viral though. Like the duolingo VOD.

>>18239138
>>18239171

>>18239017
>In hopes to gain brownie points in the eyes of the public, Nijisanji "proactively" helped Lulu with her stalkers issue
Nah, that's the thing with Japan legal system: there is no "anti stalking laws" like there is in the US (for instance), and it only exists in the US because they were EXACTLY like Japan until some actress got stalked and killed.
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/a27116831/rebecca-schaeffer-murder/

In Japan the MO to this day is, when stalking is reported to the police, the reaction is
>it sucks but no laws were broken
>come back when you can prove you are actually being hurt in any way
With hurt meaning either physically hurt or financially damaged.

Forcing Lulu to stop streaming is a requirement to prove stalking led to harm. They could always not do that and roll the dice but if the harm was physical things would go sideways very fast for Anykara

>>18238450
>>18239017
Pic related when it comes to dealing with things like this

>>18238896
We went over the numbers a few threads ago, Ruhia's top 6, the over 20k$s are ~140k$, but that's 4.3% of her SCs.
The top 40-50 only make up 10% of her SC and much, much less of her membership and even merch sales.
And this is Rushia we're talking about. By far the most gachi heavy.

Face it, Hololive has expanded their earnings and audience wide enough that gachis don't matter as much anymore for business.

>>18239215
Probably. Also her GTA VOD that got shut down with 306k live views got another 100k.

>>18239084
17.5k now, yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV7IJnWjSkY

>>18238858
I'd give Holo a pass , considering what they're probably dealing with behind the scene

>>18239378
Even then they still dominated the top 10 on an "off" day for them. Hololive is powerful as fuck.

>>18239314
Anon.... Rushia has a LOT more than 50 gachikois. Her RM Twitcasts get at least 6k viewers

>>18239354
All her very low at the time VODs have inclined almost 100k+ except necrodancer. This is also what happened last time Gura took a break, her recent VODs got bigger.

Her and Marine haven't even fucking streamed in the last few days and somehow they're nipping at Pekora's spot in the view ranking for the past 7 days.

>>18239439
>>18239314
Again, this talk doesnt matter when most of these guys are patiently waiting for her statement to welcome her back.

>FEBRUARY 2022 GOLD
1) Aqua (Hololive) - 33,951 - Apex Solo Masters climb
2) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 36,581 - Apex VCC w/ Daruma
3) Marine (Hololive) - 56,541 - Gartic Collab
4) Aqua (Hololive) - 51,799 - Apex Solo Masters climb (Ascended Arc)
5) Subaru (Hololive) - 22,620 - Free talk
6) Hoshikawa (Nijisanji) - 35,769 - Apex Gacha
7) Flare (Hololive) - 32,609 - Mario party collab
8) Aqua (Hololive) - 62,187 - Apex Gacha
9) Ayame (Hololive) - 29,857 - Return Karaoke
10) Toya (Nijisanji) - 41,275 - Return Zatsu
11) Aqua (Hololive) - 47,997 - Clubhouse 51 Totsu
12) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 48,836 - Valorant CR Cup

>>18239144
>Obviously but it sends a certain message about what type of streamer/fanbase relationship they want
>>18239172
>but when everything is added up it's easy to see how they can delude themselves into it
>>18239198
>The merch was a commitment, and most definitely not treated by her as a pure gimmick.
I did watch her streams (not as much as my own oshi tho), I know the context, I know about the RM activities too.

My only objection is in the characterization that any of the parties involved were unaware of what was going on.
Rushia sold the illusion of a GFE so well and made it so realistic for the people buying it that she became the most well paid GFE performer in the world.

But in no moment there was ever the expectation that it was anything other than that, a very realistic substitute for companionship, with zero exclusivity expectation, specially considering she performed for dozens of paying customers at a time.

Internet is not real life. The disembodied voices that talk to you online (including the one you guys assign to me right now) are not real, they are as imaginary as a 2D animated anime catgirl.

>>18239203
Kek watch Watamage pull Rushia monthly gold and SC gold for February out of the hat next

>>18239481 (me)
Forgot the damn screenshot

It's terrifying how smart Orca really is. She establish herself as stinky and live together with Lui to completely kill all rrats.

>>18239283
Isn't there a case where a female wrestler was killed by a stalker?
How the hell did Japan NOT change their law because of that?

>>18239507
aqua has half the golds for holo so far and kuzuha half for nijis
what year is this

>>18239171
>>18239246
Who would have thought Rat would be by far the sexiest Council?

>>18238858
As is tradition, have some Vampire.

Any updates on this?

>>18239415
I'm talking about no gold, anon
I figure a lot of Holo fans are choosing to touch grass atm because of the situation

Why Pekora never get verified on Twitter?? Miko and Fubuki already got them already

To keep this Rushia drama story on topic
>Comeback stream
>Most viewed stream of the entire month
How would you feel?

>>18239569
An idol almost got stabbed to death.
Japan is very very slow to change anything.

>>18239518
Looks like Watame is doing well with shorts too.

>>18239558
Every gen needs a hag

>>18239507
Is Kuzuha the first person to win gold in a month for Apex AND Valorant?

I may be missing some days, but he'd usually get for Apex and tank for Valo.
OR get it for a Valo tournament, but Apex was dead that month.

Lost ark at 1 mil players. This might be bigger that Elden Ring lmao

>>18239569
>How the hell did Japan NOT change their law because of that?
Despite being a very orderly country, Japan is *not* government by "the rule of law", but by
>the traditions and customs of the people

That is very good because they're really civilized and orderly as a nation but it makes very hard to change anything by the stroke of a pen.
They do now what they did a hundred years ago, a thousand years ago and if the solution for stalking was the father of the girl impaling the stalker with a sword and alleging "self defense" in front of the court back on the Edo era, it's good enough for now (according to them)

>>18239646
I figure she would learn that from Marine
It was a very successful idea, and don't require a lot of work (The animation can be done by someone else, the ideas came from her fans, if I remember correctly. Watame only needs to do VA)

>>18239631
She could just not care, if you get denied you have to redo it and some just see it as a bother and don't try again.

>>18239646
Eh?
Wasn't the Watacanon over 900k a few hours ago? Did it get Susan Checked? For having too many "off-side viewers".

Maisaki Berry 1k get - 4 songs left of her 115 singing endurance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4nHOeY9Up0

>>18239606

>>18239518
Oh..and also Gura reached 3.8 mil. Mori remains the only Holo to have escaped her "less than half" subs orbit.

>>18237003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGBZ3ZiuoOY&t=1235s

>>18239855
Am I reading this chart right? 31 people were such unity chads they wanted all the holos?

>>18239138

>>18239995
yeah

>>18239980
That's western culture.
It used to be in Japan, that 1 big Yab would lose you a big chunk of fanbase.
Even if it was fake, the scandal would cause people to leave.

Hololive since mid 2020 has been different.

>>18239855
Thanks, 9 new people bought the all the voice packs. Aqua and Marine continues to become the popular ones, Lamy is kinda surprising.

>>18240109
Lamy doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

>>18239855
>Marin, Wamy and onion are almost at 1K
Sounds pretty good

>>18237741
>maybe even beat the king
>maybe
80k+ stream easily.
40k+ SC

Her return numbers are going to go through the roof. She will return to her normal numbers after Holofes

>>18240014
Kind of amazing how this rat has the most erotic design in all of Hololive. It just oozes sex.

>>18240109
>Lamy is kinda surprising.
Not really, it's the power of GFE, i'm surprised Rushia didn't do this. Well, considering what happened it was probably for the best.

>>18239704
2019

>>18239855
What's surprising is how poorly Aki-Choco-Mel are doing.
They're not that popular, but their Vpacks used to sell like hot cakes.

Then again, maybe their audience preferer stuff that's a bit more mature than just Valentines day.

>>18237003
nah, this has only hit a subset of JP internet that is very VERY vocal, but is small as shit.
Salarymen who are generally Rushia's preferred audience tend to just watch streams, they often won't even have time to scroll through twitter (this is the main reason why every single merch is also shilled on stream in addition to being on twitter).
They're probably a little concerned by the lack of streams and tweets, but if she comes back in the next couple of days, everything is still salvageable.

>>18239995
It's very pricey, but some hako-oshi will go certain miles to boost the box.

>>18237731
and even that was only because the fucking author couldn't stop sperging on twitter.

>>18239569
>Isn't there a case where a female wrestler was killed by a stalker?
No? You might be getting mixed up with Hana Kimura who killed herself after getting flamed on the internet. There's been a small handful of attacks on 3D idols including one who nearly died and they did change the law after that.

>>18240109
Anon where have you been at? The 2nd most on demand Holo for GFE after Rushia is Lamy. I'm not sure who is after Lamy though. Chloe? Flare is also up there I think

>>18239995
All me

I bought all the Hololive girls and now all of them are my wives.

>>18237871
and even that was only because the fucking author couldn't stop sperging on twitter.

>>18238450
The only way to win

>>18240391
Chloe and Nene

>>18240391
I'm honestly still not sure I'd classify Chloe as GFE, she does little things here and there but she's closer to Ayame where people just throw money at her because she's so fucking cute

>>18240276
>Mel
People have better ways to patronize her

>>18238219
> believing in geopolitics rrats
c'mon anon, you post on /#/, you should know how to identify them by now

>>18240476
I was thinking of who could be a winner of Rushia's former gachikoi and it sounds nuts but I do think Nene could grab a lot of them who feel burned out by Rushia's intense menhera GFE and just want a cute retard to call them her husband

>>18240186
The only problem is whether Cover even let her continue streaming right after her frame to explain stuff. I won't be surprised if they put her on a leash until HoloFes3 is finished, they still need to deal with some legal.

>>18238016
Nobody cares about your Russians. Back to /pol/, cockhole.

Will EN3 have a unicorn herder(s)?

>>18240573
This is true. The barrier to entry for Nene is much lower than Rushia or Lamy since those 2 stalk their fans on twitter.

>>18240485
Yeah, if someone thinks acting like a retard is GFE, then I am concerned lol

>>18237741
Most of the JP Fandead defend her, including most of her biggest gachikois.
It was mostly dramafags and antis that where attacking them or making a big deal about it, i only saw a handful of minor gachis freaking out about it.
The vast majority of her actual gachis and fans where just worried for Rushia's mental state even immediately after the incident, let alone now after Korekore squished the relationship rrats.

Update on all ongoing sales.

>Bae

Stop with the stupid rat and the moronic EN gold posting and post Sanya lewds NOW!

>>18240573
Agree with this one. Those people who fell for GFE antics are probably hurt now but they might still long for it, they're just that weird. Nene provides GFE but in a much casual and lighter atmosphere.

>>18240606
Yes,Its not only about Cover,
Rushia's"friend" is still in trouble.

>>18237672
it's actually hilarious that if not for the fans this might be over already, but now there's potential for it to have legs

>>18240822
roboco...

>>18240653
Looks like EN is moving more and more away from unicorns. EN1 (sans Mori) are actually pretty JP in their approach to m*les. EN2, even without the roommate shit, has Holostar on their very often. Hell Bae literally streamed herself staring at Arurandis' abs yesterday.
By EN4 we'll have veibae talking about her BF on stream all day tier whores.

>>18240854

>>18237120
I only watch Council when they collab with Myth, simple as.

>>18240822
Sorry to ask merch anon but is it possible to also include the increase in sales compared to the previous day the next time you make the spreadsheet? It's okay though if it's not.

>>18238507
> he believes rrat-peddling journos

>>18240880
Fem fans are crazy as fuck,
just look at Luca chink fans.

>>18240854
Can't help it.
Sexy Sanya art is scarce. There's really only 1 consistent artist and they're not very good.

>>18238858
> Nose 10k
dayum, VSPO inclining?

>>18240898
And if the trend continues, EN4 will struggle to get Pomu's numbers.

>>18240391
Chloe isn't GFE though lol. Just because people are throwing money at her?

>>18237514
Even when we look away from sub growth, Gura's twitter followers is still growing strong even without "much" activity and even incline the speed in the past 3 days, even more from yesterday.

>>18240653
EN3 will be the biggest test of all time for the EN branch scouting department.
1. Did they learn from their past mistakes?
2. Are they doing proper background checks?
3. Will they hire streamers that like streaming?
4. Will they hire full-time streamers?

I'm very curious to see if they can improve on their past mistake with EN3

>>18238945
all she needs to do is "we're just friends"
add in a "mafumafu-san is like a girl, so I'm not afraid" maybe for effect (might backfire though)

and then ask her audience "you believe me don't you?" with her puppy-dog voice.

And everything will be back to normal.

>>18240898
>Veibae
Better than Matsuri

>>18241251
I doubt they can capture a group like Myth again.
>>18241228
You and that anon have to understand that GFE is different based on the person watching. Most anons are consuming GFE but don't think they are.

Is Sanya the name for genderbent Kuzuha?

>>18241188
Valo tourney with not only Kuzuha, but also Daruma in her team. Views were going to be good. For those who don't know, Daruma's a streamer for Crazy Raccoon. One of that popular esport group's most popular streamer if not the most.

>>18241305
Its her roommate shit,she can not mention it.

>>18240653
>>18240898
>>18241192
> Complained about "chemistry".
> EN2 is filled with chemistry hires.
> Complains about numbers.
> EN3 will be filled with number getters.

In Hololive, you need to capitalize the box if you want bigger numbers,
this includes pandering to the hard-core ones
or at least don't filter them away.

>>18239172
I wonder if there was ever a cycle of sorts, in the idol industry
like, the earlier ones might have been like
> act like idols in public, but have boyfriends behind their audiences' back
and then some get flamed over it, so some new generation folks go
> I'll never actually have a relationship during my career so there's not even a chance of a fuckup
but then they have to interact with males for recording or song creation or business and all sorts of shit, which all get spun up into rrats of her dating all of these guys...
and then the next gen sees this and goes
> fuck it, if I'm gonna get flamed for whatever I do, I'm just gonna get a boyfriend/do what I want and just try to hide it better

>>18241345
S-SHE CUTE!

>>18241305
"MafuMafu is actually gay with Fuwa, no kidding." Then, another drama sprung up.

>>18240573
Nene's GFE is a lot different from Rushia's tho.

>>18239516
most people know this, and are just waiting for her to stream again so that the fires die down
only a minority are internet addled druggies who can't distinguish reality from fiction

>>18241251
You're going to be disappointed, anon.

1. No. They'll consider it an accident.

2. No. Cover is a Japanese company, with little manpower or know-how to do human resources in the rest of the world. Applicants will just hide shit, and not very well, either, but will get their shit past the radar. And it will surface immediately once they debut.

3. No. It won't be a requirement, but perhaps there will be a clause stipulating at least X streams per week. Really doubt it, though.

4. Absolutely not. They will get - and hire - streamers that want a golden ticket to live on easy mode with minimal effort.

It's going to be Council again in EN3.

man...

>>18241455
MafuMafu's "pairing" is with Soraru. Hence SoraMafu.
>>18241305
Her gachis aren't as big an issue as MafuMafu's since she's not as big a thing as him.

>>18239995
guilty
I've sworn off 3D so I have a lot of money and nothing much to spend it on (until it's enough for getting a house).

>>18241524
This is why CCV and dead subs are meme numbers. Subs= interest in your content. It doesn't mean interest in every single shit you put out, it means overall cap.
Vtubers and youtubers know what they're doing when they insist you sub.

>>18241411
"Muh chemistry" was always a cop-out excuse to shit on Hololive's strongest generation that has at least 2 monsters in Gura and Mori.

By contrast, Council is actually garbage hires. Because Cover thought lightning would strike twice if they got a set of talented (non-)streamers.

>>18241524
Did anybody expect Kronii's song to get Q numbers? This seems like a silly comparison.

Daydream is doing fine though and will get to 1 million in about 2 weeks or so. Which is still good considering Kronii was a retard and the song has already been available for weeks on Spotify.

>>18241305
Sadly even though Kore cleared them of the boyfriend/girlfriend and living together scandal, he also made light that her roommate is a real literal fucking menhera. Wanting dirt on a guy she liked years ago so she could be his girlfriend while cucking her current boyfriend, then last year asking bunch of personal information related to that guy again because she was delusional thinking the guy was making moves on her.
Unless her audience could somehow change themselves to liking literal menhera contents those kind of GFE bait won't go through anymore.

>>18241403
This. Her being Mafumafu's girl isn't anything knew for people who looked up her roommate (which should be most gachikois). Her getting caught as Rushia fucks thing up because its the character that is now linked instead of simply the actor.

>>18239855
>>18240276
It is surprising especially given their ASMR specialty, at the very least they should be pulling in 200-250 sales so the fact they aren't getting half of that is very telling.

Hell, they are behind AZKi who is pretty much the weakest Hololive member of them all and even Matsuri who radiates radioactive still brings in enough fans to get 2x as much as Mel and Choco.

I'm not surprised that Botan brings up the rear given she is one of the ones who discourages the most gachikoi behavior and yet even she is bringing in 2.5x as much.

>>18241324
>I doubt they can capture a group like Myth again
And they don't need to. All they need is to keep people inside the Holobox like JP. 11 ENs is still a tons of dead hours and what do people do at dead hours? They watch those outside the box. All they need is just to have those who's willing to stream and fill in those time. We've seen what happend when bea decide to be consistent: Inclide (to a certain extend).

>>18239933
Mori is actually making the gap smaller, it's impressive in itself
some of it rides on scandal, but there's a lot of hit music drops and relatively stable streaming schedule to go with it

>>18241563
literally me but i already bought a house. albeit very small and i kinda regret it

>>18241411
What are "chemistry hires"? Because I actually don't think most of Council has chemistry with each other. Their full and only-Council collabs have been shite.

>>18241626
>Did anybody expect Kronii's song to get Q numbers?
nah, but... 1/10th?

>>18241403
hmm I guess mi-chan might come under that huh...
although, if that's the case then there's nothing that she can really say right?
will she just stream normally without acknowledging anything?
would that be enough for her fans?

>>18241626
Compare to Q is bait
But A New Star is definitely more appropriate

>>18241626
https://youtu.be/AaMM_1lmFVE
It was on youtube since January too. For some reason she didn't even get a personal topic channel.

>>18241324
>I doubt they can capture a group like Myth again.
that would be an improvement

>>18241483
That's the point though
t. got cheated on in a very intense relationship with my batshit insane ex and got together with a very sweet ditz afterwards which was the best relationship I ever had

>>18240476
Nenechi recently going full GFE and she like it for what she say and post

>>18241548
I mean... for her own stream, I'd think her own gachis would be the ones to settle.
Mafu's gachis seem to have pivoted after his statement anyway.

>>18241711
Well she's 1/10 of both of them combine in subs

>>18241738
Daydream gonna hit 1M slower than Mori MVs that had topic/Spotify versions available for months before their release
feels like cope

>>18241638
>last year
to be exact it was dec 2020 according to korekore's claim
also I heard Rushia really started getting really parasocial towards her audience on early 2021. can any fandead/oldfag confirm?

>>18241642
I doubt most Holofans who came in during 2020 boom know that they are ASMR Holos. Also, what do you mean Botan brings u the rear?

>>18241638
>he also made light that her roommate is a real literal fucking menhera.
so... affirmed that her character is real in some way? is this supposed to look bad to her fans?

>>18241801
Nah, that shit ain't new.

I am surprissed by how badly Council & Irys are doing in music related content.

Outside of maybe Mumei's original song we have:
>Bae, who is a good singer, releasing 2 covers with mediocre numbers and no original song in sight.
>Kronii's original song seems to be doing worse than Mumei's. She doesn't seem to be interesting in doing covers(?).
>Fauna and Sana are just terrible singers and I don't expect anything music-related from them outside of maybe an original song (I mean even Choco/Noel/Coco got one) which will probably do mediocre numbers.
>& Irys, even if she is a great singer she has been missmanaged to death with mediocre numbers (and songs).

>>18241642
Their fans know their roommate's sets are both better/spicier and also that more of the money goes directly to the girl because Cover isnt taking a cut so its not surprising at all that their holo voice sets dont do super well.

>>18241688
Well yeah, according to that theory, they were hired for chemistry with Myth, rather than each other. They do work in that sense, although I still think it's more a function of having more people = more chances for no one to be left lonely.

Therefore, since "chemistry" is a cope, Council is simply an abject failure.

>>18241838
Its not. Its to protect Mafumafu. He doesn't care about Rushia.

>>18241678
oh shit you committed huh...
I don't expect to get enough for at least 10 years so I'm living mostly frugally. Holos are my only major expense and it's more for keeping myself sane.

>>18241846
doesn't seem to be interested*

>>18241790
Do you consider Mori the standard? Because that's a VERY high standard that the vast majority on holos will fail to meet.

>>18241790
>1m+ subs vs however much Kronii has
>Music-focused Holo vs Menhera-depressed doesnt' stream Holo
Come on now, it's not even a contest.

>>18241638
Anon what? You think her gachi didn't know about and like her menhera?

>>18241846
>Bae
>who is a good singer
I don't know about that bro

If Fauna and Sana make being bad at singing part of their characters or a meme like the JP Holos you mentioned, then mayb they can get a song.

>>18241838
he make look miichan like a creepy stalker

>>18241846
Irys doesn't promote her stuff at all and most of her songs are TOPIC'd for a long time before they are actually on her channel which absolutely kills views.

https://youtu.be/IVOMj4x2VVg
Why do they do this anyway? Seems like a dumb idea to not release songs on their main channels first.

>>18241804
Huh I should have proofread, that was supposed to say 'Botan brings up the rear of the main pack' once you got above a 200 threshold.

>>18241951
Youtube does it automatically doesn't it? Aren't all these topic channels youtube-made?

>>18241951
maybe planned MVs in the future? and topic channels are mostly for using the DMCA hammer, so I think the intention is to get you to buy albums.

>>18241669
Reducing dead hours should be their biggest priority?

>>18241801
No it was November 2021

>>18241889
>>18241894
I guess I hang around global too much

>>18241846
Iyrs's new stuff is good, didn't Bae have a ori song coming on her birthday or did I imagine that?

>>18241846
>Bae
Her orison is coming at the end of Feb, so
>2 more weeks

>good singers
Kronii can't sing for shit, neither can Sana, Fauna or Mumei. Bae actually can, but that talent really sprung up out of nowhere, so she'll find it hard to gain traction with it. Agree on Irys. Shame.

>>18241944
That fits Rushia's character to be honest.

>>18241944
Yes and what? That's rushia's MO

>>18242027
To clarify that's when the stuff with mafu2 happened, she was always parasocial but you're right that it ramped up over the course of 2021

>>18242010
Even if all holo EN streamed every day I'd still have no one to watch between 8 pm and 4 am GMT+2.

>>18242027
Isn't that around the time her cat died?

>>18241944
Anon. Thats exactly what both the Rushia and Miichan characters are meant to do and why she is so popular, she is the Yandere stalker GFE.
She literally stalks her gachis twitters as Rushia to see if they interact with other girls and playfully calls them out on stream.

>>18241951
Topic channel = youtube music

>>18241585
speaking of subs, wonder if gura might see another uptick with being name-dropped in ludwigs vid

>>18242027
>https://youtu.be/dBlDJTC09SU?t=2630
Its pretty clear in the screenshot it was 2020 Dec, whats your source that it was 2021 Nov?

>>18241846
Noel's orisong is really high quality, but it had to be since Noe's singing can't carry it.

>>18241838
Oh no, not at all, I didn't say that it will make her look bad. It's just that since this shitshow is blurring the line between Uruha Rushia and miichan, which a lot of her gachikois already did if they also follow her roommate account, it might spook some of the lighter audience who's only attracted to the Uruha Rushia persona. Like, having bunch of fetishes for 2D stuff isn't really uncommon, but once it gets to real life, sometimes it's fucking weird. People go spam くしゃみ助かる everytime the girls sneeze but imagine an actual girl sneezing as loud as the girls are right in front of you, rather than cute you might probably be disgusted first.

>>18241846
IRyS isn't doing as badly as people make it seem. Her music content has been mostly all original songs released on streaming services. She already has multiple songs with over 1 million plays on Spotify for example.

I would like to see her release a FOTM cover song to get some eyes on her youtube music as well even if she is doing pretty well on Spotify.

Speaking to Mori's songs...
Q(Spotify ver.) : 548,057
Another 1M collection

>>18242158
they really did make the perfect song that Noel can sing while still being surprisingly good.

>>18242178
I get the feeling that IRyS is not very involved in her music outside of recording for it.

>>18242178
Yeah a few fotm covers would really help her algo power.

>>18242162
>it might spook some of the lighter audience
...who won't really be diving into a fucking drama channel to get this information... what do you think "light audience" means? They might watch some streams and maybe follow her twitter, but they sure as hell aren't scrolling through hashtags 24x7... that's no longer "light"

And anyway, she's disciplined enough to keep the most egregious menhera stuff to mengen or the roommate, so I don't think it will have much of an effect desu.

>>18241670
Ever since the release of her EP on her roommate there has been a good amount of growth on both. I wouldn't be surprised if there were people who were subbed to her roommate that just thought she totally vanished off the internet (not uncommon for YT musicians) and learned of where she has been and subbed for her music.

>>18242050
>or Mumei
B-but hoomans say she's as good as Gura.

>>18242182
Umisea...

4milli for Q
lets goooooooooo

>>18242178

>>18242108
English is an international language. It's always dead hours for someone, somewhere, because of that, dead hours should be a top priority for the EN department.

Also, sorry to hear that anon. Hopefully, the scouts pick up talents that are more compatible with your hours

>>18242385
Hoomans are the most deranged right after chumbies, so.
And they shill by far the hardest of any EN's fanbase.

>>18242351
I would say it's more because of YT algorithm has been recommending her roommate stuff to anyone watching her holo content.

>>18242423
Good to see. It's a fucking awful song.

>>18241856
Actually just noticed something that might explain things a tiny bit as well, neither Mel nor Choco advertised or retweeted the Valentines voice pack sale. They have both more focused on bringing attention to their part in the FamilyMart collab that is also ongoing.

Compare that to Marine and Lamy who both advertised the Valentine voice pack sale. Obviously they got dedicated fans so they were bound to sell high but the lack of mention might explain in part why Mel and Choco are selling so poorly. Might be interesting to go back and compare current sales to who has actually mentioned the voice pack sale.

>>18242157
>>18242081
>To clarify that's when the stuff with mafu2 happened,
for some reason, i was pretty sure korekore said the whole thing where he got contacted by Rushia (which we know on his YT stream it was about asking for his info after she thought he liked her) was about 2 years ago on his tiktok live. i have no source though because >tiktok

>>18242010
Well... yeah! And the one they pick shouldn't be someone like Sana who sleep on stream for 12h. They've got 2 gen that are able to explode and attract tourists, now they need a gen that's stable and keep those tourists.

>>18242385
I think it’s odd to say Mumei “can’t sing for shit” really. Even if you think she’s not good she’s mediocre enough or has a certain style to her singing that’s attracted a decent audience>>18242385

>>18242385
Mumei is a good singer
Gura is a literal siren
I swear to god she has some magic bullshit in her vocal cords

>>18242617
Yeah, Mumei is a decent enough singer with a unique voice. Don't know why somebody would insist she can't "sing for shit". Somebody who can't "sing for shit" doesn't draw 15k for unannounced guerilla karaoke streams at 2am EST. That is power.

>>18242488
>Also, sorry to hear that anon
Well, I get to watch JPs during the day but they stream during work hours and I can't into moon. Kill me, I guess.

>>18242651
Mumei is decidedly mediocre.

Luna is doing pretty good.

>>18242672
>who is noel
however I agree, Mumei is decent enough at singing. and unique voice are a better buff for numbers than decent techniques after all

>>18242617
>Even if you think she’s not good she’s mediocre enough or has a certain style to her singing that’s attracted a decent audience
And the same can be said of Mori. Her rap is atrocious nevertheless and she would be slaughtered in any serious music scene - which she was, until Hololive. Mumei, like Mori, is very much carried by the brand, and would never stand out or be considered quality outside of the Holo box. Popular ≠ good.

>>18242651
Concerning Gura's voice. Look at a large number of EN vtubers and what is the most prominent thing? The fake high pitched anime dub sounding loli voice. Gura pulls off the best loli voice in the business without any of that fake shit. She actually sounds like a child. Add in the slight southern country girl twang she has on her voice and its a massive draw. Super unique and natural. That is the appeal to her voice.

what happened

>>18242509
More like Holo music >>> roommate music > other Holo contents

>>18242829
Never thought about it except the natural child voice, but you're right. It's organic.

>>18242617
In a world with thousands of professional singers, what you need is a voice that stand out, technique can be trained but ain't nobody can change your voice. This is why Gura, Okayu and Towa stand out when talking about top Holo singers and so will Mumei when she move to a new place.

>>18242321
Of course I agree with you that those light audience are most likely not diving into the drama channel, Twitter though is a lot more difficult. Japanese people use Twitter a lot, that's their Instagram and Facebook equivalent. The problem is that the tag 潤羽るしあ, まふまふ, ホロライブ, るしあとまふまふ, and るしあ大好きだよ have been popping out nonstop in 'Recommended for You' trends if you're in Japan and at least followed some Vtuber related contents. It won't take scrolling and observing hashtags 24/7 to notice that something is happening to Rushia. Whether they pursue further or not are of course depending on themselves though.

Today is the first day that Bae's cover wasn't on my YT home page (in the first 200 entries). I watch it 2-3 times a day since it released, so it not being there basically means that relatively nobody else is watching it anymore. Disappointing. It's easily the most impressive cover in terms of singing ability that HoloEN has released. Couldn't even get 400k before dropping off.

>>18242829
>slight southern country girl twang
This is what does it for me. Whenever it slips out I get rock hard. Just picturing Gura as a shy farm girl slinging bails of hay.

>>18242814
for the scene she picked, Mori's music was doing alright, even better than some Holo music
the fact folks keep replaying her Holo music but not someone's like Pekora or Migo (who beat her in overall popularity by a massive margin) shows that there is a draw outside of brand alone

>>18242928
It's a waste. But hopefully Bae keeps doing singing. She's undoubtedly the best in Council.

>>18240898
Time to go hard on comedy

>>18242814
Which vtuber do you think is genuinely good at singing?

>>18242829
This. Gura being how a western loli voice should be has been brought since early on. It doesn't feel as "dubby" as other vtubers. She should actually be hired to voice lolis in games/anime imo.
>>18242879
It doesn't really sound like a real child but it sounds like a real anime child if that makes sense.

>>18243063
Kaf. Thought honestly, this will depend on what you think good singing is. Does it sound good? Is it technically good singing where the person can hit the notes perfectly/etc. And so on.

>>18242651
I would kill for a city pop cover album of gura. She has the voice for that.

>>18242928
Alas, it's just TOO LONG, and her recent videos have started popping up in my recs instead.

>>18242918
Probably are the fujos, some of them say that going to make pay for this problem, doxxing pics, making fun of everything of her etc etc...but kinda going down so may in few days stop(I hope so)

>>18242990
>for the scene she picked
>alright
No, it wasn't. She wouldn't have been doing "scythe-swinging lessons" to get by if it was.
>the fact folks keep replaying her Holo music but not someone's like Pekora or Migo (who beat her in overall popularity by a massive margin) shows that there is a draw outside of brand alone
Or it shows that:
Her audience are EOPs;
There's not much overlap between cuckbeats and others' fans;
Mori is a music-oriented persona, unlike some other Holos, including Pekora and I'm pretty damn sure Miko too.
On the other hand, she's the second most subbed Holo, so she should be killing it compared to other seriously music-focused Holos.

Gura is overrated. Bae is underrated.

>>18243211
I don't know about Gura but Bae is definitely an underrated singer.

>>18243211
Gura overrated, sure because she has so many fucking people praising her too much. Still great, just overrated. Bae underrated? Nah bro, I'd even put her in the bottom half of Council.

>>18243063
In HoloEN? Bae. She was clearly trained to sing as part of her performer training early on, and it shows. Irys as well. I would call Gura a natural talent, if unpolished (and her voice doesn't really lend itself to singing) - you can hear what I'm talking about if you listen to her 2 Beggin' covers.

>>18243182
>On the other hand, she's the second most subbed Holo, so she should be killing it compared to other seriously music-focused Holos.
And she is. The only one who can compete with her is Suisei. She crushes the other music focused Holos like Towa, Kanata, Okayu, Polka, and Watame

>>18242828
Go back a couple threads. She just removed some real old apex vods.

>>18242990
Well, she's the only Holo who do Rap and release song in English (half of it) for a whole year. She's only lose to them in popularity in Japan and East Asia, the Western side is much more even.

>>18243252
If the anon only means singing then I'd still say nah to Bae being underrated but she is a better singer than other Council girls.

>>18243211
Yes on both accounts. Gura's still the best at her job out of all of HoloEN.

>>18243182
>No, it wasn't.
we're discussing numbers and not impressions here and her views were trending upwards even before HoloMyth started
>She wouldn't have been doing "scythe-swinging lessons" to get by if it was.
...visa?

>>18242493
This is true; now imagine niggers who are both hoomans and chums.
They are the absolute worst garbage and I hate every single one of them.

>>18242509
Her clip channel was recommended to me while watching Q.

>>18243284
>music focused
>Towa
>Polka
What? Also, Kanata's ear got fucked early on so she's definitely not as good.

>>18243357
Deadbeats are the worst

>>18243382
Polka releases a new cover song like every week. She absolutely has a music focus.

>>18243252
Gura doesn't have range. Dunno why you guys never get tired of her high-pitched singing.
>Bae
>bottom half of council
lol
lmao

>>18242982
I miss Scout lewds...

>>18243357
Jesas, I thought I was the only one getting double Ds recommendations. Must be a Namibia thing again.

>>18243382
>>Polka
>not music focused
did you ever look at the pace she cranked out covers, her contacts within the utaite/vsinger scene and the high production values of her orisongs?
she's one of the more musically active Holos, oddly enough even outpacing Nene in Gen 5

>>18243284
That's right. Now compare her performance before and after Hololive, and you'll see the point. The brand has catapulted her, not the quality of her music. We had threads about it last month, you can find discussions on it in the archive. Only the condomest of deadbeats claim that she's good, only that they like her sincerely-cringe theater-kid electro-swing wigger rap, or it reminds them of the kind of ironic weeb rap you'd find in the early 00's. It has a bit of soul and a lot of cringe, but production and instrumentals carry her music hard, whereas her lyricism is weak.

>>18242729
Multiplayer NMS would be so much better than fucking ARK. Hope Luna can get some people involved.

>>18243382
Just because Towa plays Apex a lot doesn't mean she can't be also music focused.

>>18243431
>>18243293
Read

>>18243431
I'd love if she did more lower range stuff and got some goddam training.
There's a reason her Bad Guy 'cover' has almost 2m views.
Bae is also definitely not in the bottom half of singing for Council, that's delusional, so I don't know what that other bloke is thinking.

>>18243345
>trending upwards
So is Daydream. Lol. Lmao.

>>18243258
Bae undoubtedly, dunno why her recent cover isn't more popular.

>>18243431
this

>>18243467
This. Look at Kson pre-Coco and current Kson.

>>18243284
I wouldn't call any of them except Watame and maybe Kanata music focus Holos anon. You are mistake them with good Holo singers.

>>18243467
you know you're defeating your own argument, if the brand only catapulted her and not her music quality, if her music was shit people would listen to it in the novelty period and then stop
that (provably) doesn't appear to be the case, she has some of the longest sticking around songs on the weekly summaries
funnily enough what does medicore is her covers which are the least reliant on her lyrics or choice of tracks

>>18243562
If there's one thing I learned is that being technically good at singing doesn't mean more people will like your songs/singing.
>>18243514
>>18243502

>>18243562
>6.5 MINUTES
Please don't underestimate just how bloooooooody LONG that is for a song. It doesn't help that the original isn't really well known either.

>>18243600
She has really only done three cover songs and one of them is one of the best performing cover songs in Hololive history. Roki is almost at 10 million views.

>>18243657
...so the one she made original lyrics for?

>>18243467
Funny enough, the only song i find to be "real good" from her is the song she almost scraped.

>>18243627
Correct, but if you have the natural talent AND people LIKE your voice, it doesn't hurt to make it even better. Also to learn the proper techniques so you can sing for longer etc.

>>18243600
Bro, then why wasn't DD popping off like other youtubers back then? Cream rises to the top.

>>18243514
>Bad Guy
Yeah that's one cover of her that I really like.

>>18243562
I'd say it actually has nice popularity. Its on pace to get more views than her first cover in a fraction of the time. If the original song she is dropping at the end of the month ends up being good I can see that doing very very well. Her recent cover showed a ton of people just how damn good she is at singing and she has been shilling this original song for an entire month. I can see it doing great.

>>18243484
Towa released a grand total of 6 songs this year (not including her EP) in which only 2 of them are originals
Her output is not comparable to Mori and Suisei
It's like calling a Holo music focused because they consistently get good numbers for their music, they're not on the same level

>>18243182
Mori said that she got more income from her music than her swinging lessons before she entered hololive: https://youtu.be/wJFNZwTz9D4?t=1388

>>18243761
>this year
Last year*

>>18243431
>>18243514
If Gura releases her Haiiro to Ao cover I will kneel so hard.

>>18237108
I mean, Mori akasupas received a boost for a while.
And I said for a while because, if it wasn't for Luxiem, she would had been the top EN earner after her drama.

>>18243600
>if her music was shit people would listen to it in the novelty period and then stop
If her music was popular primarily because of Hololive, they would listen to it as long as it was in Hololive. Which they do, because it is.
>funnily enough what does medicore is her covers which are the least reliant on her lyrics or choice of tracks
I'll take "what is King?" for 500.

Just 10k more and Q will be at 4 million

>>18243764
And we're just supposed to believe that? Can't someone crazy go dig up venues in JP and look shit sup for us.

>>18243764
Exactly, she had a job because she was on a work visa. No job, no staying in Japan.

>>18243705
because barely anything was put on the YT channel?
outside of covers, like 4 MVs and EP shills, almost the entire backend was in Spotify and Bandcamp

>>18243851
KING isn't a great example since that has the Gura boost and Gura is arguably more powerful than both Mori and Suisei. She just doesn't release anything, lol.

>>18243764
>doing music full time
>doing englush tutoring for schoolkids on the side (whise parents couldnt afford cram school)
If the latter got her more money, I wouldn't know what to say. You didn't put the bar on the ground, you fucking buried it.

>>18243722
That's a big if though. But hey, at lease i don't see her pulling a Gura and choose to nerf her voice with a different style.

>>18243966
nigga, you don't even know what JET program entails, please stop talking

>>18243947
We can compare with Q which is identical in all respects except for cover vs orison.

>>18243814
Did she preview it in a members stream? Faaaak, it must've been one of the ones that was unarchived, wasn't it.

>>18243063
Azki is simple brilliant. Its a crime how she has one of the worst performing channels despite being easily top 3 arguably the best singer in the entire brand.

>>18244005
>appealing to authority
So you have numbers, then? Show them or fuck off, cuckbeat.

>>18244005
Doesn't JET pay like absolute shit? That's what I've heard.

>>18243947
It also has a rap segment that Mori inserts which is another reason for its lingering success.
GETCHA is probably the least Mori-like cover, and that one is basically carried by Suisei's powerful vocals and Japanese fans who think Mori is kakoii.

>>18244012
I forgot that it's also animated, unlike King.

>>18244068
Well strike that, Wah wah World was the least Mori-like cover, but hell, I completely forgot that existed before doing a quick runthrough of her covers.

>>18244016
It's still up actually, she sang it 3 times. Live + Uke, Live + Instrumetal and pre recorded.

https://youtu.be/iywPbViIFaM

>>18243562
Bea is choosing bad songs to cover. For some reason she choses songs that are long, slow and calm. Songs that usually perform well are exact opposite of what she choses.

>>18244015
we could only hope that she starts to incline after transferring to Hololive branch

>>18244154
Oh! I missed this one too....
....I should be doing my reps.

>>18244215
This is the /#/ thread, where the numbers are made up and nothing matters.

>>18243761
I guess that by your logic we should count Mori as gaming focused channel because she played shitload of Jump King.

>>18244180
Well she said it was either that song or Fukurou. I do wonder what songs fit her voice though that would actually be a hit.

>>18244062
>>18244057
it's quite literally a full-time job, it was music she was doing on the side simply due to time constraints
it's not super well paid because requirements are floor level but it's also not close to the minimum wage, as far as nipland is concerned
literally all of the info is publicly available
https://jetprogramusa.org/

>>18241738
she'll get a personal topic channel after her second original. rushia's iris was also on various artists topic until her second one released

>>18244290
If we compare the length of music VOds to the length of gaming VODs, not a single Holo (or Niji) is music focused. Different standards have to be used for music vs gaming vs _.

>>18244290
You can spam gaming streams but not music as easily. They're weighted differently.

>>18244372
AZKi : ...

>>18244016
I love her songs, she truly deserves some more love. People keep praising about Suisex's songs, but I'm certain more than half of them have never heard a single one of AZKi's orisongs/cover.

https://youtu.be/6rPdZ7EW98I
https://youtu.be/-VQx0MtsvSQ
https://youtu.be/lxJ7SXMEPto

What are the chances that Chloe went all the way to stream Jump king as a long endurance and get a hefty payday by Valentine's?

>>18244341
>literally all of the info is publically available
>except the money
>which we're discussing
What the fuck.

>>18244180
Yeah this is a big factor. If you want views you gotta go hard and receive love from Kazakhstan.

>>18244432
You are a joke to me. (I forgot.)

>>18244537
this song goes hard

>>18244493
...anon, take a page out of Mori's book and stop hitting the lean

>>18244192
Hopefully. She already has the talent the albums, the experience, she only more exposure of the holobox.

Speaking of which, do you think the reason Gura barely release any cover because she somewhat considers thousands of her karaoke clips covers? Idk how to put it but like instead of covering the song she like in an official cover, she chose to cover it in karaoke, with less time being consumed and more iteration in the future if she wants.

>>18244457(me)
Meant to reply to >>18244015

>>18244598
post the numbers, dumbass

>>18244460
She's going to the EN server in 9 hours

>>18244641
You thrice-damned mongrel, why must you ask to be spoonfed?!

>>18244629
Its just laziness bro.

>>18244737
>Year 1 (2022): Approx. ¥3,360,000
>Year 2: ¥3,600,000
>Year 3: ¥3,900,000
>>Year 4/5: ¥3,960,000
>In Japan, joining the national social (health) insurance, contributing to the pension fund program and paying employment insurance are mandatory. A part of these costs are borne by the participant and deducted from the monthly post-tax remuneration each month on payday.
No, he's asking you to make your own fucking argument, cuckbeat.

>>18244737
Because you said you had the numbers. Not that anon but I'm waiting too. If you don't have them then just say you don't have them. Its just a dumb online argument with an anon that could even not be a real person even.

>>18244629
Gura doesn't have the drive/motivation.

>>18244015
Anon she's barely in the box unlike some like Suisei. Without the box, she's a singer instead of a HoloSinger and the former is much much harder to stand out.