/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>18320628
idk, fap to her lewd arts?

>>18320628
>What do I do, how do I cope?
Watch males or babiniku. When you're rehabilitated you can go back to watching normal chuubas and be fine even if they have a bf.

>>18320628
maybe kys

I would just like to remind you that japan does have public marriage records. It's called koseki

Go find a better hobby and stop trying to find confirm in lying whores trying to siphon lonely/broken men's money under the guise of being a pure anime idol.

>>18320628
stop being a larper and get a real GF

>>18320628
It was so fucking stupid how it happened. How things like that happened several times in the past too and how they never took more precautions. Think of it like whoever Alec Baldwin killed. We were supposed to learn something from Brandon Lee's death but surprise we didn't. Humanity is doomed to make the same mistakes over and over again.

>>18320628
I just lost any hope and trust I had. There was a foolish part of me that thought some of these girls were just different but Rushia woke me up to the truth again.

>>18320872
So the only answer is to stop believing there will ever be a woman decent enough to be honest and keep her words? Is that it? I just want to believe, anon... that's all I want...

>>18320628
How about you learn japanese and actually listen to what happened?
Even the biggest shitspouter kore backtracked and said they're not like that.
>b-but what about my eop yabs
Learn japanese.

Try to treat this as a learning experience so that it doesn't happen again. Seeking therapy is the best solution but I understand if you ultimately don't do that since you're asking the unfiltered opinion of random people that can go literally in any direction. If you have any support systems like family or friends, maybe try to arrange a hangout. It's risky to indulge in any other forms of escapism since it'll be hard to get back on track again. The best thing for you though is to move on from this whole thing

>>18321102
welcome to the Desert of the Real, anonchama

female vtubers are no different from the titty streamers on twitch they play it up to the losers of society because they have no girlfriend to spend money on how do people not see this

>>18321641
Shut up Hana.

Search for her images on a booru
Fap
Feel dirty
You'll be over it in the morning.

>>18321688
Who is Hana?

>>18320628
if retarded schizos believing things that got made up by voices in their heads is enough to break you, you need to check yourself into a mental hospital permanently.

>>18321641
Hana was right
Hana did nothing wrong

>>18320628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yACqHTGHR0

>>18320628
>>Now, the same thing causes me to explode in absolute autistic rage and I'm not even sure what makes me so mad
Presumably being a retarded chimp.
>how do I cope?
Try educating yourself on the actual claims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBxbkZ8A4D8

>>18321865
ah yes, the dude who was laughing at a mafu fan, saying he knew all along, and asking her how does it feel knowing that mafu cummed inside Rushia, just to do a mysterious 180 turn the very next day

>>18321753
She was right

>>18322026
His first stream had him saying he thought they were all along and that it was "just his speculation" that they were together.
His second stream is saying he talked with them and got a bit straightened out about the facts of the matter.

>>18322026
>ah yes, the dude who was laughing at a mafu fan
Those are not even the same people.

>>18321461
obviously they exist, but you won't find them in egirls who stream minecraft and apex, or on the internet at all

>>18322026
Either its the truth or Cover had his balls in a vise while he made that video.

>>18320628
Go back and watch Azumanga Daioh

>>18320628
You need to change your thinking.

Just start from square one and think about how hilarious and farcical this entire thing is.

Think about the absurdity for just moment and let out your emotions constructively.

Feel whatever it is you need to feel, but realize that the you who grew that kind of attachment was living in a prison of their own creation.

You wanted so badly to believe it that you let yourself believe. Accept the absurdity of that with a smile.

They're performers. Assuming sincerity is madness.

Scream into a pillow, laugh at how silly you've been to make it here, and and then have giggle about how trite is all is.

Life's too short to be miserable about.

Life's too short to take all of this too seriously. Celebrate if she can pull herself back together. Laugh if she can't, and drowns in self destruction.

>>18322295
if someone were to meddle up on that, it would be mafu's side most likely, not cover, for various reasons.

>>18321469
Yeah bro let me learn Japanese so a different person can tell me not to believe my lying eyes but them, the person with something to gain by lying.

>>18322295
Doubt Cover had any involvement, the guy trashes Rushia in that video.

>>18322425
>my lying eyes
t. someone who didn't watch the stream considering it's in fucking japanese and so is the message.
Fuck off touristnigger.

>>18322357
We truly are living in peak clown world

>>18320628
Go back to anime.

>>18321469
yes, let's just believe their common friend
lol

>>18322853
More like Mafu's friend.
Rushia just think he 'seems like a good guy' and has collabed a bit with him after she got to out mahoto on his channel way back when.

>>18320628
She never loved you.
She will never be yours.
You fell in love with an avatar
You are a loser that got cucked.
Deal with it, you dumb paypiggy.

>>18322853
Considering literally 99% of the shit people post on here comes from out of his mouth I guess you should.
Literally the only thing you have otherwise is Mafu sending a discord message about going home and Mafu claiming on twitter it was so they could play Apex.

>>18320628
They're not even dating

>>18321025
Mean like ame and that translator people thought was her boyfriend

>>18323019
there's info of this shit going on since at least 2012

>>18323059
>ameggedon
lole

>>18321461
Sorry to tell you this, but there's been a few million years of evolution selecting for dishonesty in women.

>>18322357
Really wise words

>>18323134
No there isn't. There's some shit from 2018 that got killed by the nips once they actually took a closer look. (tldr: oh no she owns a cup of the same brand and a song CD of his)
No one claiming shit from 10+ years ago ever posts any proof of it and the nips don't pretend it's the case either.

>>18323134
from what I've found it's 2018. Research is there if you dig but it's predominantly in Japanese

>>18320628
Maybe go back to the nijiEN thread and stop posting bait

>>18320628
Because nobody wants to be treated like an idiot and lied to. It's off-putting as hell even if you're not the intended victim, because you know if a chuuba is vile enough to exploit schizos then she's certainly vile enough to exploit you - the only difference is she hasn't found a way how yet.

>>18323134
They've been friends since 2011, the rumors of them living together are from 2018.

>>18323681
I remember seeing this with twitter screencaps and a post that was like "4? try 10 years". Would be hard to search the archives for though

>>18323780
https://twitter.com/uni_mafumafu/status/136028416712515584

>>18320628
>and I'm not even sure what makes me so mad
Probably spending too much time reading people talking about the drama.

>>18321102
>There was a foolish part of me that thought some of these girls were just different.

All women are equal under the same variance with which all men are equal. It is part of our human nature. Women are liars, manipulators, and do not sincerely love anyone but their children.

>>18323968
>>18323968
>2011
Wait a sec, isn't Mafu younger than Rushia? Like, still in his 20's?
So she's been grooming him since he was a teenager... No wonder their content is so similar.

Rushia's life is literally an /ss/ fanfic, complete with a loyal sissyboy

>>18322357
true

>>18320628
Just go do exercise or fap, retard.

>>18322963
>You are a loser that got cucked.

You judge under an ideological bias that is too Western. The majority reaction of the fandead was one of genuine suffering, without hate (most of them) and even suddenly joking as a way of coping. Rushia herself must feel that she betrayed them as well. Better go back to Twitter, there perhaps they value more the dehumanization of male suffering of which you are a part.

>>18321461
Holy fuck dude go outside and meet actual real normal girls. I'm not talking about some roastie either whos clearly disgusted by your presence, but like actual normal women. So many fucking women wouldn't cheat. The problem isn't all the whores who are unfaithful, the problem is you being a cuck loser faggot who is too subhuman to go outside and meet the women who are faithful.

>>18324305
>Wait a sec, isn't Mafu younger than Rushia? Like, still in his 20's?
looool no.
He's like 30.

>>18321641
Vtubers are worse, in fact, since they are the typical introverted women with low self-esteem (not necessarily ugly) who like to manipulate beta men, since the alphas do not usually choose them as an indefinite partner.

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1384206520280256518
she actually did it. holy fucking shit. it's over. she actually fucking killed herself

When you think about it, this whole thing sort of makes sense. Of course someone as menhera and extremely GFE like rushia would actually be like this all along.
It doesn't mean every vtuber is.

>>18324479
>All of that whining and cope
You are a cuck and a beta

>>18324479
We need more people like you. Articulate, rational, and intelligent.
Imagine if the world was full of idiots like that guy who can't see anything other than their own ego

unretard for a sec, does anyone here expect they don't all just have bfs ffs do you expect them to date viewers i dont understand this i just watch them because funny cute animu gurl

>>18325064
It depends on what sort of content they put out.
Play girlfriend games, win girlfriend prizes.

>>18321839
Even if what she said was correct, Hana is a fucking whore

>>18324617
Typical normie who generalizes based on personal experience. The problem is that it is in the nature of most women to be like this, and those who do not, it is because they cannot directly, or rationally understand that it is not convenient for them as a long-term strategy (since they get older and after the 30 can no longer be manipulative whores with the same results).

I'm so scared of being cucked by my oshi who does GFE that it gave me the courage to ask a girl out. Now I have an upcoming date for the 1st time in my life and have no idea what to do with myself.

>>18320628
A guy discord messaged her to here Holo persona, if they would be IRL couple they would message by line. Stop feeding your insecurities like that.

>>18325268
please be real

>>18321489
In situations like this, what the fuck do you even say to a therapist or your family that won't make you look like a complete freak? Think a little, man. Come on.

>>18325268
Based if true, prepare at least 5 topics so you have something to talk about and there is no dead air, actually listen to her when she's talking and ask questions about what she's talking about on stuff that interests you.

>Shit on a non-GFE vtuber who always had boundaries and advised viewers to "not make it weird"
>gets massive amount of Karma
Well, you have nothing to blame but yourselves.

>>18325268
Arrive at date. Call her a lying whore. Do a backflip. Walk out.

>>18320628
Rushia made me realize I feel uncomfortable around girls with boyfriends and I don't even know why.
I didn't think I was like this.

>>18325401
Mori did gfe for awhile then stopped when everyone realized she was autistic

>>18325508
Most of them were joke dates. Hell, even members were advised to not "make it weird" after they sent in househusband applications.

Mori has always been transparent over limits.

>>18325268
That's a fucking hilarious motivation. But now just get your state of mind changed to try and hit it off with her for real reasons. See if she's genuinely cute and likable.

>>18325593
Mori has never done a genuine thing in her life.

>>18321461
lmao good luck out there retard

>>18325593
>>18325508
>>18325401
The important thing is that Mori knows first-hand, the pain of being with your oshi, and being ignored.

Hamhat will always be a sissy.

>>18324770
Ugly people and losers scientifically have worse personalities because they’re treated worse by the world. It’s why /vt/ is full of assholes too. Majority of women pathetic enough to become a vtuber because they aren’t pretty enough for real streaming are bitches.

>>18325675
Anon, if she wasn't genuine in her goals, she wouldn't be in Japan.

>>18324961
>Imagine if the world was full of idiots like that guy who can't see anything other than their own ego.

Thanks UwU. Western social networks are actually like this. I literally have to come to 4chan to talk about how this event is psychologically and emotionally damaging to a lot of men, without being called misoginistic for criticizing a whore like Rushia.

>>18320628
It's ok if nobody loves you anon. Now take your MEDS!

>>18325739
I know her type
>goes to Japan
>Only hangs out with other gaijin

>>18325268
Shower beforehand.

Fap during shower to get horny out of the way.

Say something nice about something she put effort into.

Broach the topic of something you're passionate about but be ready for that crash and burn - if that happens be prepared to talk about nothing until the date is over, - if she likes thing you like, you might make it to the second date.

>>18324617
>Holy fuck dude go outside and meet actual real normal girls
>So many fucking women wouldn't cheat
Where the fuck do you live? Let me live in this imaginary place. They're a really small minority if anything and good luck trying to find them. Not even the ones who do volunteer work are safe picks.

>>18325797
How new, anon?

>>18325752
>whore like Rushia
You got duped, dude. You have no one to blame but yourself. Get your own gf. Hire a prostitute if you need to.

>>18325797
I don't know man, Hamhat, Rapbit and ill.Bell sure don't look like Gaijins to me.

>>18325291
>>18325399
It is, though I was messaging her beforehand. It was through online dating so I'm wholly expecting her to show up noticeably heavier than in her pictures

>>18325999
Ganbare anon.

Personally I just find it funny that Western twitter in their attempt to help the situation made sure to point out to the world that she has a bf and how people know and made the scandal probably impossible to bury and move on from.

At least Rushia will have her new fanbase that will watch a single stream to pat themselves on the back before abandoning her.

>>18325335
You mean the paid professional whose job is to help you with cases like these? If Family isn't close enough, you wouldn't go to them in the first place. I guess you 'could' seek therapy vicariously through experts like HealthyGamer but even that guy recommends a therapist.

>>18325752
you're a delusional loser hoping to keep that bubble from popping for other delusional losers
get a grip

>>18326094
Legitimate question: do you think attacking Rushia fans and reminding them she has a bf will in anyway actually be good for Rushia?

>>18325195
>>18325836
Stop believing the shit spouted in /r9k/.

>>18325999
if anything man it'll give you valuable experience for if you need to do it again, the first is always the worst. How old are you and how old is she?

>>18320628
I watch vtubers because they are entertaining not because I'm filling empty life with pretend girlfriends. She was milking people with mental issues it's a good thing she finally got burned. Maybe retarded unicorns learned something from this but who am I kidding.

>>18326199
I'm 25, she's 29.

>>18326053
I have no problem with what Rushia was doing: the real problem was her slipping up.

Now, I'll be transparent and admit I'm a deadbeat. I just want to drive home the point that it's the sinner that's bigger than the specific sin.

If this was someone who didn't favor GFE and was just a variety streamer/vtuber, it'll not be as big of a deal.

>>18325335
why would they care whether you're a freak or not? why do you care if they think you're a freak? isn't the whole point of therapy to let them know you're a freak and then try to figure out why?

>>18326057
>You mean the paid professional whose job is to help you with cases like these?
It doesn't matter if the person is paid to listen to me or not. This is something I'd be afraid to admit even to God.

>>18325195
You talk like you know so much about all these women, yet you're so unable to actually talk to any of them that you obsess over Vtubers stealing your money. Pathetic lol. Also, not that it matters, but I was made fun of and looked at as a school shooter through most of middle and highschool. Turns out when you stop being an autistic weirdo and try to be normal people accept you. Wild concept, huh?

>>18325999
>spoiler
If she is, still go through with the date if you can stand looking at her. You can think of the date as practice and try different things without worrying about making her lose interest since you don't care. I went on my first date a couple weeks ago too because I didn't want to be cucked by a vtuber and thought I might as well get sex if I get cucked.

>>18326250
sweet, it'll be a lot easier to be calm and down to earth than with a younger chick. this doesn't sound like tinder though, where'd you meet her?

>>18320628
>and I'm not even sure what makes me so mad
Before is something you assumed to be a lie but you never got deeper into the details and everything else that lied implied. Now you become aware of how much stuff that kind of lie entails, and how much that lie can hurt other people.

>>18326250
Well, good luck man. It might not mean much, but we're rooting for you. I'm rooting for you, anyways.

>>18325335
Thats the problem man, as soon as you get burned you double down on this shit instead of actively trying to move past it. Yeah, a therapist would prob find this a little 'interesting'. Who the fuck cares what that npc thinks? What matters is that talking to a professional will help you move past this. You might get laughed at after the session ends. But if you keep trying to better yourself, you can make progress and escape your current situation and mindset. Hiding from that shit just makes it worse

>>18320628
you thought vtubers were somehow different from real women and the rushia yab showed that they weren't. Now the magic is gone and vtubers aren't the same. This is what happened to me.

have you tried dmt?

>>18321461
Look for women past their mid 20s. This is usually the time when women want to settle down, and find men that are financially/mentally stable which you wont find in /vt/.

>>18325834
>Fap during shower to get horny out of the way.
This dude has no idea of what he's taking about.

>>18320718
Just stick to male and babi. They're usually funny or absolute bros, some even want to see -you- improve.

>>18326333
Yeah forreal, don't worry about whether or not this girl is the one, worry about being practiced and comfortable enough about talking to women and dating them so that when you do find 'the one', you wont lose her. If this girl you go to see turns out to be special, great. If not, she's perfect experience for when you do someone special.

>>18326350
Hinge, or "Tinder for people who think they're too good for Tinder"
>>18326447
Thanks anon.

>>18322295
Watching his video it feels more like he's giving excuses for mafumafu while throwing Rushia in the trash, which isn't too surprising as mafumafu is far more popular

I don't believe him in any case

>>18320883
Do you know what the point of /vt/ is or vt in general?

>>18326318
If that's the case you're limiting your options to just helping yourself. Which could be a slow process or an impossible one that you might not even realize if you're actually fine.

>>18326746
Nice, well godspeed bro. Just don't take it overly seriously, learn what you can, and if you vibe with her great, if not there's always the next one.

>>18325401
>>gets massive amount of Karma
Good morning sir, please do the needful and subscribe to calliope mori

>>18322357
>Feel whatever it is you need to feel, but realize that the you who grew that kind of attachment was living in a prison of their own creation.
No anon, those are people abandoned by society and/or mentally ill who are being taken advantage of by people fully aware of that knowledge.

>>18326923
why would anyone need to shill her? she's the 2nd most-subscribed holo, and is inching towards 2M?

>>18320628
You need to stop thinking that Vtubers, or any other content creator for that matter, cares about you. They don't. You are currency, and the moment that you no longer give them money, or the opportunity to earn more money, you are just annoying. They actually despise their audience.

>>18324617
Fucking newfag tourist fuck you

>>18326867
Do you know that you're projecting your situation on to others?

>>18327400
Watch 2views. They at least genuinely care up until they reach a certain milestone.

>create hobby that appeals primarily to robots
>hobby becomes very popular because robots feel free to express themselves through enthusiasm/creativity
>normalfags/women flood into hobby because it is popular
>something happens like Rushia
>many robots get mad
>normalfags/women get angry at the robots for being mad
>robots are driven out
>normalfags/women use that to consolidate their control over the hobby
>"Oh, you didn't like this? You must be one of those incels." "You wouldn't think that if you weren't one of those creepy incels who sent death threats to Rushia."
>rest of the robots (even the ones who didn't sperg out) feel unwanted, no longer are having fun, and leave
>hobby is hollowed out by sociopathic grifters who exploit dumb normalfags for their money and women for sex
>hobby implodes or becomes soulless
>robots find new hobby that appeals to them
>normalfags/women discover it
>process repeats

>>18325752
If you really want to talk with people in your bubble, you can hang out with the teenage kpop fangirls who go insane when their idol starts dating someone. You’re the exact same type as them, except without the excuse of youthful ignorance.

>>18327552
Who the fuck identifies as a robot and who the fuck is getting pushed out of the hobby? Stop being a drama queen.

>>18327632
so fucking new, you're literally factory fresh

>>18322357
>realize that the you who grew that kind of attachment was living in a prison of their own creation.
I agree with the sentiment but it strikes me as being the same as a gambling addiction.
I don't think casino's should be illegal but I don't pretend they're not greedy hellholes taking advantage of people who can't help themselves for whatever reason.

I'll never understand how someone thinks they'll win it big or a vtuber isn't about as pure as some rando twitch e-girl, but don't pretend they they don't know exactly what they're doing.

>>18324941
>Brainlet anon can't come up with a retort
Always funny to see

>>18325834
>Fap during shower to get horny out of the way.
don't listen to this retard. abstain from masturbating as much as possible. nofap legitimately makes you more suave and outgoing with women, thats my experience anyways.

>>18327757
>Y-you're a newfag
Fuck off, faggot. If you're gonna deflect and ignore my questions, at least make it less obvious.

>>18327567
Did you ignore most of the points made? You just reaffirmed the claims that male suffering is hugely ignored. Yeah sure, let's defend this fragile girl who did nothing wrong and insult all those filthy degenerates that are just walking wallets.

>>18328012
>>18327632
Tourist or newfag, kek. Fuck off back to your hole.

>>18328113
>Still no answer
>Still trying to larp as an oldfag
>Seething about it all the way
Wow, you sure showed me anon!

>>18321461
You missed your chance anon
You had it back in highschool and maybe even college but now all you'll get are bitch whores who've rode the cock carousel and hit the wall

>>18327763
You make a good point.

I think a better explanation for my part might be that OP needs to interrogate how they understand the interactions they have with chubas.

Calling it "a prison of your own making" might be a bit overdramatic and might implicitly absolve streamers taking GFE behavior too far, but that wasn't my intention.

My intention was for OP to re-evaluate how they watch/consume Vtuber content so they can better understand the performative aspects of it. So they understand the relationship between chuba and viewer more clearly.

>>18328274
Literally got my first gf after college, and she had only been with 1 other guy. This isnt rare either, shes not some fucking unicorn. Tons of women are like this. You can find them if you stop being a retarded faggot online and talk to women irl

>>18328274
What are the standards held by single MILFs in their late 30s? I'd settle for gently used goods like that if they aged well. Polite sage for off-topic post.

>>18323059
Loserbait was nothing compared to this

>>18324617
Women worth chasing are all snapped up by their early 20s
If she's single past about 23 for any reason other than being a widow she's probably a massive whore that will happily stab you in the back

>>18328573
She's lying to you anon
I've been good friends with many women, and lots of them have told me things they would never tell anyone else, and every last one of them are bitchy whores who've fucked multiple men and admitted to me they've lied to other guys about it because they know having a roast beef pussy isn't desirable
And these weren't your bottom of the barrel whores either, they where fellow classmates and coworkers, just normal everday people.
You act like you're the arbiter of women but you're just a delusional normalfaggot

>>18328274
if you ever went outside maybe the femcels and the incels could coalesce

>>18328573
>and she had only been with 1 other guy.
lol, the classic

>>18320628
>Vtuber talking about how she is single and has no bf
Most of them them just stay silent to claim they didn't lie afterwards lol

>>18328724
Femcels don't go outside you fucking retard
They feel entitled to so many things, and their views on men are the exact same as incels but replace woman with man

>>18328573
>I've only been with one other guys
Mate a girl I went to school with said this in front of me at a part the other day to a man she's after
I know she's been passed around like a joint at a party. From what I know of (and we're not close my any means) she's had 4 long term bfs and at least a half dozen fuck buddies (including another one of my friends while still in her previous relationship)
But I'm sure your girl is different

>>18324617
>real normal girls
Idk about your experience anon, but normal girls I found here are more liars and selfish than the ones I found in internet.

>>18328723
Wow Anon, youre a shitty person and you attracted shitty women as friends, color me surprised. Maybe one day you can find someone who is able to change your mind on this kind of thing.

>>18328681
>Women worth chasing are all snapped up by their early 20s
this, all the women that a man would actually want to keep around are taken by the big achievers and hot studs before they leave college. it's a big part of the reason that average dudes and lower have such a hard time finding someone past that point, the only thing left are women who are eternally bitter they didn't lock down a chad who will boil with hidden resentment towards whoever they settle for until they step in the grave.

>>18328724
Femcels are worse than incels desu, they unironically expect prince charming to kick in their front door and whisk them away to their perfect disney princess ending, wheras incels are well aware women have no interest in them (and are angry about that fact)

Love from Kazakshtan

>>18328939
I hope so, as for shitty? Maybe
However the reason I became good friends with them in the first place is because of my high tolerance and patience. I know a lot of people and feel generally comfortable around strangers and I've been told I'm "easy to talk to". I like people but I can't deny from an objective standpoint a lot of them aren't as good as they think they are

>>18328939
>noooo she's different
It's sad to see so many people fall into the trap. Either you're a fool of you're a woman doing damage control

this song goes very hard

>>18327763
NTA but the thing is, blaming the other party isn’t wrong because obviously casino owners, drug dealers etc are guilty, but blaming them won’t HELP you either. There’s a reason why rehab programs focus on trying to turn you into a person who can live without drugs/gambling/whatever, not on how shitty of a person your dealer is for selling you the drugs that ruined your life.
Someone was fine with ruining your life to make a profit - happens all the time because there are a lot of people out there who are willing to do that. If it was possible to eradicate them we‘d have done it ages ago. Blame them all you want, they’re not going to go away, your only option is to make the decision that you don’t want to become their victim again.

>>18326707
You can also jerk off to babis without feeling gay

>>18320628
take a bath with the roboco toaster

>>18320628
Why can't women be entertaining?

>>18329109
no need to be entertaining. men have evolved a dozen different ways of getting a mate, be it by being handsome, smart, witty, funny, strong, wealthy or any combination of those.
Women on the otherhand have evolved to be completely passive. So long as they aren't barren or hideously disfigured men will still compete for their attention no matter what they do

>>18323396
this
>>18324617
>So many fucking women wouldn't cheat.
>The problem isn't all the whores who are unfaithful
>the problem is you being a cuck loser
You nigger stop lying to them. Also if they are cucks is because the girls cheated you retard
>>18326329
What made me distrust women forever is that I get solicited by girls who are MARRIED to dudes like you. But continue telling us about how faithful yours is.
>>18326661
>honesty
>women past their prime
Lol
>>18328274
>honsty
>women at their prime
Lol
>>18328573
>she had only been with 1 other guy
>after college
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dude, I have a friend who pulled this shit to get a ring. She was a fucking escort in college.
>>18328939
I hope you can remember this moment in the future and know people warned you, anon.
>>18328663
The most attractive guy with future they can hold on to with their decaying looks. That's it. If they have children they'll do the whole GFE thing from the first week as well with amazing sex, while claiming they don't need a parent for their children. It's how they get you.
>>18328995
Worse, they expect their prince charmings to fuck other men in front of them. Fuuuuuck femanons, I actively look for signs to avoid them

>>18329242
A friend of my sisters is a late 20 something fujo cunt, short, fat, not ugly but has an ugly personality if you get my meaning. Has a shota phone case and keeps trying to take to me about extremely surface level anime like sword art online and it's honestly turned me compeltely off the idea of a gf that knows anything about anime
I want a gf that's into gardening or something that I have no interest or care about so we can do our own things. Ever since high school I've always hated "car girls" cause they're invariably massive whores with extremely shallow interests in the scene (or are genuinely autistic and have no interest in men) and they ruin every event they get involved in.
Turns out the same applies to anime, except worse cause at least I can avoid car thots for 90% of my life except when at shows, fujos invade everywhere I wanna talk about animu or chuubas

I don't want it to be like this
I just want a 3dpd gf that isn't a lying whore who I can spend time with and enjoy my days
I don't want to give up hope but as I get older it's harder to hold onto it

>>18329242
what are we supposed to do with this information? do we just not go after women if all we want is a close, honest, fun relationship with another person? I don't hate women but I don't have much experience with them beyond the professional setting, and a lot of shit I read on here about them is pretty consistent even across different types of guys. Guys who are considered more normal just accept it as is, even like it/find it fun/quirky in some cases and play the game anyway, while the type of guy you would expect to be here just hates them outright. Sometimes it's switched, but the overall perspectives are still pretty similar

>>18329494
I turned 28 recently, I was at a girls 30th party yesterday and it was a solid mix of 50% happy(ish) couples that have been together for years and very desperate late 20s/early 30s singles (such as myself) who are desperately trying to hold onto their rapidly retreating youth

>>18329494
Wait for sexbots or create tulpa

>>18329564
If you want a close, honest and fun relationship with another person get yourself a good male friend you can do hobbies with. Take up golf, or go to a gym and make gymbros. Restore a car and take it to shows (you meet a LOT of cool blokes in the car scene, and a lot of knobs but you can tell them within seconds).
Women are for warming your bed and birthing your son.

>>18329494
You simply need to accept it anon
Get a Gyrau fetish, don't catch feelings and fuck whores
It's unironically the mentality of most zoomers and millennials
We're in the decline stage, after a few more generations everything will collapse

>>18329759
>pic
Damn, who would've thought wojak would evolve into that after all these years.

>>18329066
And you'll never get trapped into the GFE because you know it's a dude but you can still love the model like you would a normal 2d waifu. It's fucking perfect. Babibros rise up. Buy babi stock today.

>>18320628
Because out there there are autismos who believe her and give her money and simp autismos who don't believe her but give her money anyway. She's getting money because she's a woman.

>>18330017
I'm still waiting for Itou Life to draw a soft femdom erodoujin of his vtuber model.

>>18329437
It's not all that hard to deal with them, just imagine they are guys and treat them about the same. If here's something that make women recoil in horror is being actually treated like males.
>>18329564
>what are we supposed to do with this information?
>do we just not go after women if all we want is a close, honest, fun relationship with another person
You realize that media in general lied to you about how the world works, and that it is part of these social things you're supposed to just "get" naturally(and which autists have a lot of trouble with). Then you reacess about what you actually want and if it is even possible to have it.
>Guys who are considered more normal just accept it as is
This is pretty much the healthy thing to do. There's no such a thing as a "100% honest" relationship with no games and stuff. The game exists, you HAVE to play it to keep the partner interested(even if you don't realize you're playing a game, women are better at doing this instinctively)... but the good news is that you can still have a close relationship and have fun with it regardless.

Just don't expect it to last "forever". That's complete bs.

>>18320628
the thing that makes this worse than other girls IMO is that she built her career and fanbase on pretending to be social cripple.
OFC some guys wanted to fuck her because of GFE, but more importantly, people gave her money and sympathy because they thought she was broken like them.

This is basically equivalent to having a wheelchair in her model and going on about how she can't do things on her own, and then after 2 years her coach dm's her about coming to a track meeting later.

Doesn't matter that it was just a character she was playing, she exploited and made a mockery of every one of her fans who is actually lonely and suffering.

>>18321461
lmao how old are you anon? jfc

>>18329597
Are you a woman? If not, focus on money/status and watch as you become more desirable as these go up in contrast with women getting more and more desperate as their looks go down. 29 here, and watching this shit happen to people older than me has been hilarious.

>>18329694
Yeah this is what I've been told too. I had that shit in high school but lost it because we all went to different colleges away from each other. Now I just want a group of geeky male friends again, but it's tough since I spent pretty much all my time/energy in college trying to establish experience for my career, and I've been out for a while. I still have one more good shot if I get into medical school in the next few months, but if that doesn't pan out I guess I gotta do shit like meetup lol.

>>18329564
>f all we want is a close, honest, fun relationship with another person?
sorry to say but the vast majority of people will never experience this in their lives. the same thing that causes people to pursue an endless chain of ever more expensive material goods also applies to everything else in life. enough is never enough, no matter what they will find problems with their current partner that eat away at them over time and open them up to the idea of going for the greener grass on the other side of the fence. that's why older married couples frequently can't stand each other, the only thing keeping them together is money or children.

Generally the only people who are capable of being content with a reasonable lifestyle/partner are those that were starved of those things for most of their life.

>>18321461
> What we do know from the excavation of Viking burial mounds is that personal grooming tools are some of the most common items found. Items such as razors, tweezers and ear spoons have been found. In fact combs seem to be the most common artifact found from the Viking Age. We also know that the Vikings made a very strong soap which was used not only for bathing, but also for bleaching their hair. Vikings bleached their hair as it seems blond hair was highly valued in the Viking World.

>Accounts of Anglo-Saxons describing the Vikings who attacked and ultimately settled in England suggest the Vikings might be considered to be ‘clean-freaks’, because they would bathe once a week. This was at a time when an Anglo-Saxon might only bath once or twice a year. In fact the original meaning of Scandinavian words for Saturday (laurdag / lørdag / lördag) was ‘Washing Day’.

>A later writing often credited to the Abbot of St. Albans reports that "thanks to their habit of combing their hair every day, of bathing every Saturday and regularly changing their clothes, were able to undermine the virtue of married women and even seduce the daughters of nobles to be their mistresses."

Even your greatx30 grandpa got cucked by big Norwegian cocks because his wife was a whore. The real problem is not that women are bitchesnwhores, but because we live in an age where everyone is trying to simultaneously cockblock you while shaming you for not having sex while also creating laws so women can fuck you over if you get involved with a particularly crazy one.

Of course this just incentivizes hookers, checking out of society or having sex and always giving a fake name when you do.

Women try to control men, then society falls apart.

>>18330221
The girl who's birthday it was has made several heavy hints in my direction lately, she's cute but older than me, barren womb so cannot be a mother to my kids and her bodycount well into the 30s really puts me off it.

>>18321461
>a woman decent enough to be honest and keep her words
You're talking about women who literally make a business out of LARPing behind 2d anime avatars in front of an audience. How is it that you don't understand that these people are playing a character?

>>18324108
>and do not sincerely love anyone but their children.

You're wrong, they don't really love their kids either. Kids are just convenient for them, until they become inconvenient. A woman has no attachments as long as someone is willing to simp for her. Then when she has alienated everyone by being a cunt, suddenly she's done hard by society.

>>18326661
>she's had 500 dicks and now it's your job to get a stable two jobs to provide for her ex-boyfriends kids
Wow what a steal!

>>18330478
holy shit! you complain so much

>>18329242
I, too, have been solicited by women in relationships. All these dudes think their gf is faithful and then she's trying to trade up when he's not in the room.

>>18330552
If your product has had cock in it, it is a bad product

>>18330115
Pretty much this, it's basically actual fraud, might as well have pretended to have some crippling disease while she's at it for extra sympathy money. There is a special circle of hell for people like this.

>>18328724
Actual incels and femcels aren't alone because they can't settle, but because they won't. It's a person who is 5/10 who believes they are entitled to 10/10 and won't accept anything else.

>>18330643
>If your product has had cock in it, it is a bad product
anon, I don't think you are a catch

>>18330478
What if she promises you a kid of your own.

>>18330552
Roastie

>>18330694
good, only cucks settle. NEVER compromise on your desires/wants, rather die alone then to settle for less like a cuck

>>18330643
>>18330739
why you single?

>>18320628
Rushia has a BF?
Anyways this is why traditional idols are frowned upon for speaking of such things. Forever alones are their core audience and paypiggies. This is why people get upset about calli despite her being a stinky westerner

>>18329048
They're definitely a woman.

>>18330644
Romance scams are an actual form of fraud, and while I don't think it meets every single criteria since you would have to be mentally ill to think you had a chance with Rushia, smaller indies and onlyfans thots are really pushing the line sometimes.

>>18330112
Man that sucks that you just have to accept that that's the way it is, but I guess as long as you don't get invested too deeply as a man it's not a big deal. One of the pieces of advice I heard here was something like, "never love or care for a woman as much as she cares about you" I guess that applies here
>>18330242
yeah I've seen this too, a lot of people can't truly be grateful for what they have or see the positives in what they have, instead they hyperfocus on the negative or what could be better. you see this a lot on normal social media with people claiming to be sad and depressed despite coming from good households with tightly knit families, a decent career or career aspiration, and good groups of friends to boot.

>>18330694
Incels are willing, femcels won't

>unironically wanting 3DPD
>3DPD masquerading as based 2D
You deserve to suffer and more. Reject vtubers, return to anime

>>18330694
Anon if they can't get me hard what's the point?
In my case I've had ample opportunity amongst negrisses, but only white women get me hard and they want no part of me (because they also want a 10/10 and dating app culture gives everyone this mentality)

Gotta thank Rushia for all this show

Kek
Reading through the normalfag cope makes me understand why men used to beat their wives

>>18330948
This shitshow is rather entertaining in some capacity

>>18330694
>settling
>ever
I'd rather live and die alone than settle, if you can't fulfill my criteria then fuck off, you're not wanted

>>18322598
Artia was dating from may to september while she was giving her "tubers don't give a fuck about you" speech, she is also a hypocrite. Also the guy she dated probably fucked Doris.
>>18322357
Based

>>18330887
If your "romance" involves you paying money up front, and only takes place on the internet, then you're 100% being taken for a ride. You have to be a special level of retarded to think being someone's paypiggy on onlyfans translates into an actual relationship lmao

>>18324941
Kill yourself.

>>18330694
>settling
no one with any modicum of self respect ever wants to be the one that was settled for

>>18330242
He didn't say it had to last forever, anon. Remove honest from the equation, or bend it a bit, and you can have a decent amount of fun picking well your partners. It requires you to become attractive enough to pick them though. Ending up with only bad options/trash discarded by other dudes is hell.
>>18330382
>barren womb
Fuck her, have your fun if you find her attractive at all, but don't enter a relationship. Be careful because sex is a bonding experience, and while she won't be able to bond to pretty much anyone after 30+ dudes, you can still get attached. Otherwise just stick around and keep looking for better(younger) pastures.
>>18330416
Some actually do love their children, when that happens it's often the only men they'll love for decades on end. But even that is not guaranted. Also, depedning on their relationship with both their own father and the kid's own, she can flip and fuck the kid's life too. I'm sorry if that happened to you anon.
>>18330590
I wish it was just trading. They outright cheat for the most stupid reasons, not only when they want to switch partners.
>>18330694
Women can't really be incels because there are always men willing to fuck them. They just can't find someone attractive enough to do so/date them, so they end up alone. Men can actually be incels in that they can't find a 1/10 willing to fuck them.
>>18330789
You'll never be a woman
>>18330888
Reality ensues. It's like the moment you realized you wouldn't grow up to become a top-tier anything, either physically, mentally or career-wise. Or that superpowers won't ever be real. Or that we will all be dead way before full immersion VR becomes a thing, etc. You just sigh and move on to see what else IS there for you.
>"never love or care for a woman as much as she cares about you"
Good advice. No relationship ever has an equal balance of power, and that's mostly based on two things: how attached you are to the other person, and their prospects of getting someone better than the current partner. Make sure it's mostly in your favor(heavy imbalances also ruin shit) and you should be fine... still expect to be cucked though. Everyone is, eventually. Just don't stick around once you see the signs and move on with your life.

>>18325880
>>18326094
>>18327567
Women who dupe others are to blame, I'm sorry you 2views whores are seething about it.

>>18320628
touch grass, drink water, aerate your room.

>>18330694
There's nothing wrong with that though, its human nature to want the best in everything

You don't. In the end, this is just a playful game between the fans and the vtuber. They're acting in front of us. Some use more personal details than others, some use tactics that others don't. It's a job at the end of the day, and it's their choice on how they want to entertain us and if we like that entertainment.
That being said, even with an Oshi, it's essentially a don't ask don't tell situation. As long as my Oshi doesn't say or do anything that outright shows she's CURRENTLY dating, why should I believe otherwise? When we both turn off the screen, we have our own lives to go back to and I get that. The only positive for my Oshi is that she is an insane oversharer on stream because she's afraid of running out of topics. If she every starts talking less about her daily routines or little nothing events in her life that she frequently likes to blab on about, there's a possibility of her hiding something. If it ever comes out she had a boyfriend, I'd reassess the way I look at and treat her streams and decide then if it's effect is too negative from what I want from her.

>>18326166
These people -literally- only value sex or the perception a woman is getting some. If a woman becomes a broken down 40 year old hooker none of these loser whores will be there for her, because women area always of the kind to think Sex and the City is a lifestyle guide when they're 20, a great life but they want to settle down now when they're 30 and when they're 40 and over a mountain of regrets followed by childlessness and a sad death.

My great-grandmother married when she was 18 and was married into her 60s when my great-grandfather passed away, but she still had her 30+ grandkids to thank him for and many great-grandkids and great-great-grandkids* and lived to be nearly 100. Meanwhile these roasties are too dumb to think even 5 years ahead.

*Maybe

>>18331189
>You'll never be a woman
okay? and you will never be a real man.

>wanting kids
>wanting a relationship
>ever
Lmfao just embrace the stigma grindset

>>18330913
>>18330767
>>18331277
>>18331039
>>18331174
The people they pine after are literally instagram models using photoshop to brush up their looks. The 10/10 doesn't exist. You're saying people shouldn't settle, because what they want doesn't exist. This is as delusional as being in love with a cartoon loli voiced by a hag. Life is about living, not shrieking you're entitled to the impossible.

>>18327225
I'm calling you a hindu for using the term karma

>>18330789
Single doesn't mean he can't get laid, it just means he isn't willing to pay for the next 20 years of your pathetic life in exchange for occasionally getting laid with (You), you seething whore.

>>18331522
Cope roastie, only cucks and retards with low self esteem settle. A real man NEVER settles/compromises on his dreams, it's better to die/live/fail trying to achieve whatever you're aiming for than settling for less.

My bro always told me one thing: no matter what happens, even if it means my death is to never compromise on your dreams.

>>18331438
I have seen what your kind calls a "real man". I'm fine as I am, thank you.
>>18331522
>hurr duur unrealistic
The problem is that these people exist. Maybe not the insta models you mentioned, but absurdly attractive women(and men) do exist in real life, they are just incredibly rare. And therefore not everyone can get them - certainly not the kind of person who keeps whining on the internet.

>>18324961
>Articulate, rational, and intelligent.
Yeah, very intelligent and rational to get duped by e-thots making money hand over fist by playing a 2d character online. There's nothing rational about living under the delusion that vtubers aren't playing characters, or that they're in it for anything other than money. You want to believe so badly, you continue to cope even when evidence to the contrary is presented right in front of you.

>>18324624
He is 30 but Rushia is still older than him

>>18330727
All these hypotheticals only work if I've had a thousand pussies. Women continue to fail to understand no man wants a hole that's more experience than their own. Then the 37 year old man is married to a 29 year old woman, because why settle for a woman the same age when you can just marry younger?

All this type of woman ever does is scream and then destroy themselves and die alone. That's what they do.

>>18331311
KFP?

>>18324305
Rushia is around 3 years older

>>18321641
>female vtubers are no different from the titty streamers on twitch
You haven't watched *actual* vtubers.

>>18330901
The circle is complete.

At this point I think I'd rather just fuck dudes and be gay.

Women are disgusting and not capable of genuine love or anything. I can't believe this board, /r9k/, the ancient Roman's and /v/ were right all along

>>18322357
Based anon

>tfw work with kids
>tfw want my own kids to take care of
>tfw would have to go through getting a woman to get them
>tfw would have to have a woman constant in their lives because kids need both good father and mother figures for ideal social development
>tfw would need to search the needle in the haystack for a great one because I was the only child in a horrible marriage and know firsthand what that does to the kids

>>18331148
yeah it can seem obvious from the outside when your judgment isn't clouded by hormones, but trust me people get put away for years for less than certain GFE girls get away with.

>>18331797
yes

>>18331680
>>18331673
They don't exist, it's literally photoshop. You're in love with a 6/10 that photoshopped herself up.

>>18331977
Did you do roomate reps? There's some pretty serious rrats out there

>>18332039
>roastie still coping
Ya love to see it

>>18323484
>(tldr: oh no she owns a cup of the same brand and a song CD of his)
We saw the pictures you faggot.

>>18331893
>char cosplayer chilling behind the glasses dude

>>18332082
Why are you denying obvious shit like instagram models using photoshop? Those are the 'roasties' trying to fuck you over, you stupid faggot.

>>18324961
>>18324479
based

>>18332039
Holy cope batman. My sister could've been a top 2% onlyfans model. I have dated a girl who had boobs better than most women I find on the itnernet(photoshop included) to the point it ruined me a bit, regardless of being a boob man.

Unfairly attractive people looking like pic related do exist. I'm sorry you didn't win the genetic lottery, but hey, you can always spend 1 hour prettying yourself up to raise yourself 1-2 points!
>>18332285
Nobody is denying that there are uglier women using PS to look better, you're the one denying actually beautiful people exist lol

>>18331522
I've been around attractive women who I would wanna settle down with, not everyone is a neet who just sees the world through Instagram.

>>18330901
Sir the based department is going to send you a check for the excellent work

>>18332039
>they don't exist
Keep coping, I will never settle nor will any of the men here will either

>>18332358
Cringe cuck

>>18331407
you okay anon?

>>18332138
Yeah and you didn't go over them like the jps did. Plates are also the same except mafu uses them to feed his fucking cats. Different cats from what Rushia has at that.
The rest are different or so generic as to be meaningless. JPs just laughed about the cat scratchers because they are like the one brand people buy in Japan, the plushies were not only different colors but are also available all over Japan in don quixotes and tourist shops.
Nevermind that both pics are older than vtubing.

>>18320628
cum to her picture and post it on her art tag.

>>18320628
Therapy is always the recommended solution.

>>18331728
You're clearly not rational or intelligent when you have no idea what was being complimented. Seems like empathizing with suffering people abandoned by society is beyond you

go back misogynist incels
>>>/r9k/

>>18332285
regardless of that posters shit talk there is truth in what he is saying.

the simple fact is that no one wants an ugly romantic partner, and yet average/ugly people are the majority of the population, especially from a female perspective since statistically women view even average men as straight unattractive.

The average response to people who are frustrated by the fact that they have no hope of any partner they are attracted to is to lower their standards or settle, i.e. they should just take a person they genuinely are not attracted to, despite the fact that those same people who demand people lower standards or settle would never do those things themselves. the typical 7/10+ woman has probably never had a man less than an 8 in her life, and would be disgusted by the thought of a 5/10 man let alone even lower.

It's a pretty fundamental problem, being unattractive yourself doesn't suddenly make you attracted to other ugly people, the demand for attractive people simply massively outstrips the supply.

>>18332338
>using lol

>>18332796
There is nothing wrong with being misogynist and rightfully shitting on women

>>18325335
Therapists are professionals. You can act like a freak in front of them. Don't talk to family about this though you'll look like a sperg and they'll remember it

>>18332796
>go back misogynist incels
dude, is obvious this is bait

>>18332656
https://youtu.be/49tO5gMzoI4?t=143
I'd call this a slipup on his part.

They certainly had some type of relationship before vtubing. It's not any single piece of evidence but all of it paints a picture (Cups come as a set, those plushies might as well, all those twitter feeds, and now this video who actually has insider information)

>>18331904
Pay a surrogate. Single fathers aren't the best option, but far from the worst. You also make yourself look more attractive to women.

>>18332046
I've seen it all. The past is the past, although my personal caveat on the sentiment is there's a huge difference between having a trains run on you/having a kid with someone else and having a few relationships in the past. It doesn't matter if you've dated, or fucked with a few people in your past because without those two other parts, it's obvious you're not a pure pleasure-seeker. People don't change their ways much, so someone in vtubing who used to fuck often probably still does now, someone who had a relationship in the past might now, but like I said, it's don't ask don't tell.
As for Kiwawa herself, the sexworker rrat came from a scorned fan and a shit manager a lonnngggg time ago. It's why it looks pretty real. Old clips of her from NicoNico uploaded onto a Jap site many, many years prior to Hololive, all in Japanese, is gonna be a bit hard to disprove, but given the history she had because of those two guys, it's bullshit.
As for her current mentality, she's got some severe mental problems on the male side of things. Her chickens are easy for her to talk to because we're a screen apart and she knows we love and support her all the time. It feeds into her damaged ego and psyche, and gives her an outlet to playfully flirt and have sexy/cute fun with what in her mind is a guy. In the real world, she had some kind of traumatic event in the past with men and alcohol because she said 'I don't like when people drink alcohol because it makes them aggressive'. The only time I've every heard that generalizing statement is when it's a woman talking about men, and it leads me to think there was some real negative shit in her past. I'm glad the chicken can be an outlet for her to have fun with men and I hope there's a future where she takes that mental hangup seriously and goes to talk to someone about it, because I think she'd be a bit happier in life if she did.

anon rushia's needs to cope too

>>18332790
You create your own suffering by venturing deeper down the rabbit hole of delusion and fantasy, setting yourself up for disappointment when you are inevitably forced to face reality. You could take this incident as a learning experience, or continue to avoid reality and wonder why happiness doesn’t magically manifest itself to you. I see many people in this thread have chosen the latter.

>>18332919
maybe stop shitting the board if you want to rant about women just go there

>>18332796
>buzzwords
I accept your concession.

>>18320628
You aren't upset that she has a boyfriend, you're upset because of how dishonest and manipulative she is.
If you're going to dedicate your streaming career to GFE, that's fine. But when you date someone IRL despite that, it becomes dishonest and manipulative.

She broke the trust of her viewers, which is why they're upset.
Choose one or the other, not both. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

>>18328573
If she was so great why did you break up?

>>18333267
it's just an act bro, do you think the girls flirting with each other means they're lesbians?

>>18332796
This isn't reddit you subhuman

>>18333265
I shouldn't laugh, but this got me good. Entertaining work anon.

>>18330694
Neither men nor women seem to understand their own value as a person anymore.
Everyone's ego is massively inflated to the point that they think they're better than everyone else.

It's not "settling" to go for an "ugly" girl or a fat chick or someone who's fucked in the head. That's a normal person. That's average.

>>18332862
Pic related
>>18332803
This man speaks the truth. Just to add to it though, it's even worse because we(men) fuck girls below us all the time. So a good part of why that 5/10 isn't dating 5/10 men is because there's a 8/10 fucking her.

But that's the thing. Only fucking. As they get older it becomes harder and harder to keep a relationship, and later on marry at all with these guys. It's when they settle, often with some poor socially retarded dude who had 0-3 partners his whole life but a decent career, then proceed to resent him forever.
>>18333181
>the past is the past
Ah. I can't think like that, at all. Leaning the kind of person behind the facade of the avatar can make or break the excitement for me.
The prostitution thing is very beliveable for me because I have seen the backroom side of both cosplay and modeling. Considering her story, career failure and overall mental state described when she brings up her past I wouldn't be shocked if it is true. But just as with Rushia's situation, there's more than enough leeway for people to believe what they want to.
All that said I get you, I really do. I want __Kronii to be happy regardless of what I learned doing roomate reps and the rrats.

>>18330412
Now, i disagree that every Vtuber out there is larping as hard as Rushia.

>>18333181
>I don't like when people drink alcohol because it makes them aggressive
I'm pretty much the same but hate dealing with people who drink in general due to my other
>the rest of the spoiler
I hate how I have so much in common with her in regards to mental issues and damaged psyche/ego part and I dont even watch the EN girls

>>18333403
Yes. They would absolutely do it.

>>18333403
Considering at least one of them actually sexual assaulted others multiple times(stuff that'd sent a male to a prison), SOME are. Or lean heaily that way.That said, most are lying, yes.

>>18333198
Not everyone is born equal and many end up in terrible situations. You can antagonize them for their wretched existence for being unlucky but I'll let you know you're a piece of shit

>>18333844
Grabbing asses shouldn't be illegal anyways. Cavemen had it right.

>>18333189
I need some elaboration

>>18333545
Again, the one pic that came from a long gone website that shows 'the evidence' was a screencap taken from a NicoNico stream. I know where you're coming from with the other thing you talked about, but that was more of a way for her to extend her old past and try to continue to live what she'd dreamed about for forever. I could totally see her having led some guys on in the past which may have easily lead into an episode that would give her the mentality of 'All drunk people are agressive', but the most history I've seen from her is one crush, one serious bf, and MAYYBBEEE on fling.

>>18327517
Convenient and overused handwave. The same reason you started watching vtubers is also the reason you need to stop. Posture all you want, you know.

>>18333862
>wahh, woe is me, I was born this way
nah, you choose to be a pathetic simp who doesn't learn from his past mistakes and that's why you're suffering

>>18333908
Rushia is suicidal and hasn't been eating or even gotten out of bed.
She's mentally weak.

Haachama said she'd take care of her.

>>18333993
Over this or in general?

>>18333566
You're just plain delusional if you believe any roastie who not only says she's lonely and can't find a bf, but makes money selling this idea to simps.

>>18333993
I'm not sure if her poisonous cooking, then releasing a sick song, counts as helping or not

>>18334039
Mentally weak in general, suicidal over this.

>>18333959
Read a book

>>18334247
go outside

>>18332202
I think that's Gintama live action movie.

>>18333915
Setting aside the more serious rrats for a moment, I can totally see Calli confirming to her the 'All drunk people are agressive' belief. She has some very big problems with alcohol that she inherited from her parents.
Btw anon, search your heart. You know that bodycount just /can't/ be true when she's this attractive both in appearance and personality.

>>18333545
>It's when they settle, often with some poor socially retarded dude who had 0-3 partners his whole life but a decent career, then proceed to resent him forever.
>tfw that dude is me
>tfw too much pride to accept that as my fate
there's no winning is there

>>18334560
>there's no winning is there
nope

sad truth is that unless you had some luck genetically and started doing all the right things when you were literally like 14 years old you will be eternally behind the curve and unsatisfied with your romantic prospects.

>>18334560
try your best in spite of the social retardation. if some anons can crawl their way out of /r9k/, you can too.

>>18334560
Yes, there is. Refuse to date women 26+, acquire money and status, fuck the ones you can in the meantime(again do NOT date women past that age, they'll go full great sex+GFE but it is a trap that won't last more than 3 years, maximum), then start gunning for the ones in the 20-24 range. The clock is in your favor from 32 onwards as long as you didn't fuck yourself career-wise or have serious genetic defects.
>>18334679
Men and women's curves are different. Very few men can "keep up" with their own generation

>>18334060
I mean, not everyone went with "I dont talk about male, because i'm not good with male" but at the same time have rather intimate contact with other male.

I'm already considering the larger effect of this overall
What if this scandal happened just before a merchandise release or a concert?

The sponsors would not be happy, and maybe start to consider that these Virtual Idols fans are just as fickle as fans of "Traditional Idols" and just as risky

>>18334437
Heart has been searched. Cosplayers are notorious for photoshopping the everliving hell out of themselves. Real Kiara is a bit plain-Jane. She's still cute, but given her past, the events that have happened to her, and the rrats that were spawned by people from other sites and then dismissed by people from those same sites, I think you're being a little ridiculous on the 'body count' thing.
In the end, you can believe whatever you'd like, but given all the info I have, both from Kiara and from digging for many, many months, she's had a very modest past.

>>18328681
I'm 27 and still haven't gotten laid or really liked a guy romantically.
But I also watch find most of vshojo entertaining so I'm probably just an extremely undesirable sysadmin who just happens to be a virgin.
I'm not really looking for a relationship anyone people are tiring.

>>18334852
Okay anon, just please don't make a dent on your savings for her. I don't want to meet you here in a thread like this dedicated to your oshi in the future.
>>18334874
broken, ugly or both

>>18320628
Don't worry anon, I just got accepted this weekend for a credit card, i'll be using the 0% interest for half a year to give my oshi $1000.

>>18320628
also feel the same i started this from 2019, it wasn't my oshi but this breaks my confidence, i really thought japanese women were different, this is the world of lies we decided to create but even in the falsehood the truth came out , it is better to look for something that is worth it

>>18335006
I enjoy my fun with Kiara, but I'm not one of the big paypigs. I'm glad they're there to make her financially comfortable because I think it leads to better stories and a healthier mentality from her which makes her that much more cute, but my contributions will always be small to non-existent. The only thing I'm ever afraid of is if she looses a lot of big superchatters, I'm gonna feel pretty bad for her and I might think about donating more than a few bucks a month on average. I think she'll move on at that point anyways and then I can decide if I want to follow her or if it'll just be a fun thing that I had for however many years.

Bro fuck Rushia this shit is fucking dumb stop making threads and wasting space with this schizo bullshit

>>18333265
>Blank Dakimakura with nobody in it

>>18334784
>acquire money and status
>as you didn't fuck yourself career-wise
you really can't just decide to do these things at the drop of a hat. people who are romantically unsuccessful into their mid-20s generally do not have impressive work credentials either, having a career that will genuinely impress a woman requires you to start working at it in high school.
a lonely 20s-30s dude without extensive papers is capable of getting a median salary job but that's really not going to be desirable at all to women let alone women 10 years younger, who would be interested in dating older men mostly for their money.

>>18335006
If by broken you mean unreasonably introverted sure.
Usually the only time I speak with people is with when I'm getting groceries or there's an outage at work with a conference call.

>>18335144
>japanese women are different
>same culture that produced NTR

>>18335235
It doesn't really matter if the role itself is impressive, chances are they wouldn't know what the job entails to begin with.
I'm not the most successful person in the world but you don't get women by being impressive, you get them by chasing for months.

>>18331904
adopt?

>>18334774
I'm currently in a job where good social skills is imperative (teach college students) and I do community service and mentoring on the reg. I've been called pretty sociable, kind, a great listener, etc. before, it's just that because I mostly hung out with guys in HS and college because I got on with them more, I'm now 24 and have pretty much no experience with women. I guess being 5'6" to 5'7", SEA in a US major city, pretty nerdy looking, and underweight doesn't bode well either, at least based on stats.
>>18334784
Eh I think for me in particular that's way, way, way easier said than done. I think I would be in the position where beggars can't be choosers. My current play is hopefully getting into medical school in 2-3 months, then getting back into things I'm genuinely passionate about besides teaching and volunteering, then going out and trying to make steady friends, male or female. Perhaps get into fitness and fashion as well so I could blend in better with my future cohort, a lot of whom would be super achieving turbonormalfags/chads/stacies.

>>18331088
>Artia was dating from may to september while she was giving her "tubers don't give a fuck about you" speech, she is also a hypocrite
How is that hypocrisy?

>>18335373
I wasn't even referring to prestigious jobs by 'impressive', I only meant the pay.

A 32 year old guy with a 50-60k job cannot by any stretch of the imagination be in a favorable position romantically.

>>18335384
Your first point is the real issue a lot of people on places like /r9k/ have. The lack of trying shit in high school/college and failing over and over, for whatever mental reason you didn't at the time, really makes it hard to walk into a date. Experience is important with everything in life, and this is no different.

>>18335525
I don't know what you're talking about, you could earn that amount while being a coke addict while someone earning a fraction that amount is saving and investing.
Wealth is different from money to begin with and flashing money for a one night stand is different from providing security needed in a relationship.

I know you all complain about the roasties getting money to keep you in a cuck shed but imagine all the male streamers's sex lives being subsidized by their fans.
it's literally betas crowdfunding another beta rich enough to be able to get laid while they all live in the cuck shed. How many women do you think a freak like XQC would be able to get if he wasn't rich or a manlet like Cr1tical?
Reject all streamers. Return to touching grass.

Holy shit i thought i open /r9k/ for a moment, this place is full of losers lol.
No wonder /vt/ is on fire with the new yab

>>18334784
Silver fox route is much more achievable as male, yes. The fun part tho, your libido starts calming down in your late 30-s and from what i've seen people after their 40-50-s just don't fucking care and appearance is only ego/health thing.

>>18335525
Well fuck... I guess I'll just die then

>>18333265
>blank daki
>friends forever mug
Lost.

>>18335669
>flashing money for a one night stand is different from providing security needed in a relationship.
'security' in this sense exactly does require a high income. attracting women via money necessitates that you can provide a lifestyle significantly more luxurious than average, that's something you can't provide on a median salary no matter how much you saved in the ~5-10 years of work a man that age would have under his belt. compounding that problem is the fact that any woman who would be willing to enter a relationship purely for financial gain probably is not going to have the greatest tolerance for any compromise in lifestyle lmao, so the second some big unforeseen expense comes up you might as well start looking for a divorce lawyer.

>>18335582
Yeah I guess it didn't help that I had a mom who was pretty toxic to my dad which made me cynical of the whole thing, and none of the girls I talked to I had a desire to even get to know them further beyond classmates, much less ask them out. I was pretty much focused on school and clubs, and though it has paid dividends in a lot of ways, my development was fairly unidimensional.

>>18335698
based and true. overall, this culture of lonely people paying money to participate in parasocial relationships is just sad. if these people had even a small circle of online friends to fall back on, then they probably wouldn't feel the need to fill the void with illusory relationships with e-celebs.

>>18324617
Three of the girls I tried to become more than friends with either admitted to being a lesbian, was actually into a friend of mine and rejected me to become religious. Liking vtubers is all I have man, And they have significantly made me happier in the past few years.

>>18335235
>you really can't just decide to do these things at the drop of a hat
Of course not. Careers are planned years n advance. Takes a lot of time for them to pay off. It's a good part of why males sexual market value skyrocket in their thirties.
>people who are romantically unsuccessful into their mid-20s generally do not have impressive work credentials either
Wrong, many of them more or less require you to lose your free time in your 20's and do'nt pay off until way later.
>having a career that will genuinely impress a woman requires you to start working at it in high school.
It's about time invested, luck and connections, no two ways about it. If you satrt late you can still do it, but you'll have to push the age line further down.
>let alone women 10 years younger
You'd be surprised.
>>18335293
Do men approach you at all?
>>18335384
Oof yeah these stats are massive debuffs. I fully expect some nurse to jump you in the future though; once you start working and things start going your way, do not fall into the trap of falling for/marrying the first ten that fall on your dick and declare undying love.
>>18335726
>confess to browing /r9k/
>calling people losers
>in a chinese cartoon website
>>18335768
I noticed a clear difference after 20, then again after 24. My most recent problem was hormones trying to push me into building a family after 27, but I have learned to identify it and control myself after soem self-reflection
>>18335845
>>18335977
Just having money doesn't make women attack your dick. They don't have bank-account senses; you can trick a lot of them with appearances. Or just go for budget and still seem like a better catch than you woud otherwise.
>>18335977
>any woman who would be willing to enter a relationship purely for financial gain probably is not going to have the greatest tolerance for any compromise in lifestyle lmao
Don't fish one and be desperate to keep her, your relationships doing this will be superficial by nature, so take advantage of this fact. Take the good with the bad.
>>18336079
>Towa
You're asking for it, really. Might as well go vshoujo lol

>>18334874
Dis? No pressure to get to know each other, just see if we're interested in each other

>>18336037
chans and social media is not much better than parasocial relationships, same thing basically, but instead simping we are flinging shit at each other, with some fragments of rationality here and there.
Get yourself a land, raise your crops, feel the nature, read good books, fuck everything else.

>>18336014
Don't worry, if it makes you feel any better, mordern dating is a fucking nightmare anyways. Constant texting back and forth to even have an iota to get a date, praying you're funny/interesting/entertaining enough to keep the woman you got a date with off of her phone for dopamine hits, trying to actually make something work after that and run it back when she's 100% getting more people hitting her up on the app, etc. It's a lot of work and I give props to people who can actually manage that shit consistently. I personally burn out after churning through a few dates with someone.

>>18335977
>attracting women via money
that wasn't the argument, it's attracting women full stop. that's just creating nonsense out of your head like
>woman who would be willing to enter a relationship purely for financial gain
when no one mentioned that until you did.
Security does not require a high income, you're already open about having no financial experience so you should be open to learn that you're completely wrong.
If you're capable of saving and looking after your money, that is visibly apparent even if you are some apprentice mechanic. You can then save while being in a relationship and build your financial situation together.
I don't even understand what you want, you're literally acting like you just want sex, not a serious commitment with a woman.

>>18336079
don't try to be their friend first. Make it clear your intentions because most women will categorize you based on how you initially interact with them.

>>18336037
>if these people had even a small circle of online friends to fall back on, then they probably wouldn't feel the need to fill the void with illusory relationships with e-celebs
Male friends do not fill the void like a woman does, even if she's just an online friend. Personal experience, at least.

There is no point in pursuing women. If you're not hot enough for them to come to you, just give up. You're fighting a losing battle.

>>18335006
Adding one more thing. If Kiara really is using the chicken as a way to have fun with guys without any of the pressure because of past issues, am I not the same in going to her to give me that psudo-GFE while having a relatively normal/decent life outside of my romantic life?

>>18333265
>Free membership on Mori Channel
Kek

>>18336079
I'm not a professional in this but even at the beginning when you're just friends, you should be talking about fucking her on a daily basis, or at least implying you would fuck her if she isn't careful

>>18333265
>Free Mori membership
Low blow

>>18336266
>that wasn't the argument, it's attracting women full stop
yeah attracting women, with money. What else could you possibly mean by
>>18334784
>acquire money and status

>when no one mentioned that until you did.
So what exactly did you mean by 'acquire money'?
>Security does not require a high income, you're already open about having no financial experience so you should be open to learn that you're completely wrong.
lol, I have almost 400k usd sitting in the bank from saving and investing in index funds, I still don't have any delusions that it would help me keep a woman on the hook long term.

>If you're capable of saving and looking after your money, that is visibly apparent even if you are some apprentice mechanic. You can then save while being in a relationship and build your financial situation together.
It really isn't. Women don't chase money because they are thinking about retirement, they chase money because they want a cushy lifestyle, ESPECIALLY young women like the under 26 year olds you recommended lol. I don't know what level of delusion you are on to think otherwise.

>>18336139
>do not fall into the trap of falling for/marrying the first ten that fall on your dick and declare undying love.
Yeah I think I can manage that considering all the stuff I've read here about what women say vs. what they actually feel, especially for men in not great positions like myself. I do want kids though, so that is an issue.
>>18336220
Yeah that shit sounds really tiring, I've heard the stories both RL and here. It's made me really think about whether I should pursue it at all. I'm already not in a great position due to stuff I've inherited, so it would likely take me years of constant effort and energy to achieve even below average success, and I don't think I have the same passion or drive to pursue it that has kept me pursuing other similarly competitive aspirations (e.g. med school.) I guess I'm worried about weirding out my family or not being treated as an equal or someone worthy of respect just because I haven't achieved what is a really common and expected milestone for most other men.

>>18336079
i don't pay money to use 4chan and i'm not delusional about what i'm getting out of it
>>18336212
anon was talking about male streamers. but even granting that male friendships don't fill the void, deluding yourself that you have an actual friendship with e-thot streamers is just kicking the can down the road. if someone is actually your friend, then you don't have to pay them money to get them to spend time with you. i don't see how it could fill the void when deep down you know that you're more like a client than a friend to them

>>18336644
Quite obviously trying to get you to stop being a fucking Peter Pan and do something with your life, even if you are too much of a pussy to fuck a whore?
And after your first sentence you've just started on a trail of lies, get that sorted out as well men shouldn't fucking lie.

>>18336079
Not that anon, but sometimes going from friend to lover is actually much more harder maintain.

>>18336758
meant to reply to >>18336300

>>18336567
if you are not in her pants by your 4th meeting in relaxed and informal setting, just MOVE ON, keep the contact if you are vibing as friends, but consider this pussy shut down for at least 6-12 months for you, unless she in desperate need of rebound.

>>18336157
Discord I assume? Don't have one, I don't privately chat with people outside of IRC where I change my handles every few months outside of a few channels I've been in for over a decade.
I actually don't have any fixed personal accounts beyond a LinkedIn for work reasons which I obviously won't share.

Might as well put on a trip here if you have something to say, like I often do. Not really sure what you want to reach out about.

>>18336790
>you've just started on a trail of lies
lol

try to lecture someone on saving money and then accuse them of lying when they have more money saved than you.

skilled trades pay well, that's my advice to you friend.

>>18336885
You're talking out your ass mate, if you had money you would blag wealth, not the money itself.

>>18336918
whatever mental gymnastics you need friend

>>18336998
Everyone can read what you're saying. You're doing acrobatics with lies as a means to justify being a grown child.

>>18336855
Oh I just meant we could swap pics and see if there's any attraction at all. I assume when you said you're "not looking" you just meant you're done trying to actively do anything on your part to find someone.

>tfw no gf or anything of the sort
>meanwhile I just get attacked, molested, etc. by ghost spirit witches since childhood with them telling me I belong to them forever, even in death
It beats dealing with the hell you guys go through but it's a special kind of hell that I like admittedly since they're pretty much the only ones who won't leave me

>>18336567
>>18336853 (me)
>talking about fucking her on a daily basis, or at least implying you would fuck her if she isn't careful
also fucking dumb advice, if a smile and a hug is not enough, nothing will ever be. And sleazy motherfuckers are kinda niche thing, unless you are gunning for the type try to have some class.

>>18336157
>just said she never really liked anyone romantically
>asking for discord in such a public way
Might as well post a link to an empty server here and watch as 50+ people flood in
>>18336289
Listen to this guy, he knows his stuff
>>18336300
It's about the idea of a woman more than women themselves. That, and the reproduction imperative.
>>18336430
You can become more attractive. Very few women actually approach dudes, often only when they are WAY below them. So improving and approaching yourself is still the best option people have.

Of couse, then you have to deal with the fact women hate when someone unnatractive approach them and are "forced" to reject them. I remember being 19, drinking a lot and going around a nightclub and outright asking women to reject me, purely out of spite. A lot of them were bewildered, some did it expecting it to be some sort of pickup line, and one that was 32 outright picked me by the arm and kissed me. Good times.
>>18336447
That's not why she's doing this, anon. She's doing a job, just as she always wanted tom as an idol. But yes, she's having a lot of fun with the KFP and no, I do not believe her trauma with men is THAT serious that she can't interact with them irl. It's just an easy truth to put out there and people grabbed it to put their minds at ease on this issue. Just like Rushia was "too menhera to actually talk to males", it's not too big a lie lie, rather an 'exaggerated truth' that's very convenient/useful.

To actually answer your question though, I don't think that enjoying content from your favorite streamer is wrong. But forming emotional attachment, especially one that can be broken by such a thing as a relationship, is doomed to end badly. In your place I'd rather go the fubuki way of being wholeheartedly her friend rather than enjoying her GFE content ironically/in a halfheartedly way/protecting my own feelings with some sort of excuse. But that's me.
Godspeed bro.
>>18336644
I am not the dude you're talking about security/savings with.

>>18337164
I wouldn't be hugging, thats bad advice.
It's not sleazy at all, it will be seen as one part of who you are.

>>18337058
you dismissing anything you don't want to believe as a lie out of hand doesn't make it so.

I have been working as a skilled tradesman since I graduated highschool ~10 years ago and saving in index funds for most of that time. I also don't dump thousands of dollars on random e-whores for no gain like most people on this board probably do. I'm well aware of what it means to save for the future, I just also know that women who are attracted to practical retirement saving are a fantasy.

>>18337284
I'm not Germany, repeating your bullshit won't make me believe it.
Grow up and stop lying, at least act like you had both parents in your life.

>>18336139
>Waaa if you go on robot you're the same
Lmao
I go there sometime to laugh at people like you and feel better about myself.
Don't be sad, at least bottom of society like you still have some uses

>>18337091
Wouldn't want to exchange pics, don't really care how someone looks (up to a health extent) as far as affinity goes. Never loved someone, and looks just seems more like lust/libido fuel.
>you're done trying to actively do anything on your part to find someone.
More like I have never once tried out of disinterest.
I find the idea of living with someone in the same apartment/room a huge burden rather than something to be desired.

>>18337210
I am totally broken by women.
I'm a fatass. I know this makes me completely unfuckable. At the same time, I can, (and have, in the past) put a lot of work into working out and losing weight, and you know what? I still didn't get shit. Like I must just be incredibly ugly. And even if I ended up being hot after a ton of weight loss, I would still say that I don't really have any desire to pursue women. Knowing that everything is just so shallow, that at the end of the day all that matters is looks, blackpills me on such a level that I'm starting to not see other people as fully human. Well it's not entirely women that did that, it's also just recent events, but I really wonder if there's any purpose to life anymore other than amorally just taking as much power as you can and hurting others maximally to extract what you want? I don't want to pursue a woman because the mere fact of doing so puts me at a disadvantage, and I'm sick and fucking tired of being the kid everyone gets to kick to feel better about themselves.

>>18337246
not hello how it's been hug, those are poison. we've broken ice and feeling good together kind of hug.

>>18337481
Just out of curiosity, were you willing to go for a fat slampig yourself?

>>18337481
>I really wonder if there's any purpose to life anymore other than amorally just taking as much power as you can and hurting others maximally to extract what you want?
Hobbies?
I like hiking and jogging personally.

>>18337481
if being attractive is really the only way you would feel confident, it seems clear to me that different cultures with different ancestors react to other phenotypes more positively.
When I was still going through puberty and on holiday in Spain, the women kept giving me eyes despite in my head that I was looking fucked up.
>>18337639
That sounds a million times creepier than even the most perverse line I could come up with.

>>18337481
Looks are the start Anon. It's always about the front of the book because if there's no sexual attraction, shit just isn't going to work out anyways.

>>18337667
IDK, sometimes yeah. Other times no. A little chubby I'm okay with. Yeah I understand that makes me hypocritical and shallow but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like I'm not extremely mentally ill and probably even a bad person. I have tried to make it in life normally but everything I seem to do fails and no one has ever given me a chance. Fuck I mean even in college I worked out and got skinny and it still wasn't enough. I just can't compete with other guys. And the idea of me finally settling and going for some slampig makes me feel like "yep, I lost, time to accept my concession prize."
All I'll say is a lot of the reason I got fat was me trying to kill myself in slow motion.

>>18337383
>I go there sometime to laugh at people like you and feel better about myself.
You know, the difference between confident people and insecure faggots is that the former don't have to keep searching people below them to reaffirm themselves. People like you punch down because you fold like a chair the moment they deal with anyone who can notice your stupid bravado and laugh.

lol.
>>18337423
Broken it is. Oh well, just live your life. I still suggest you try sex with someone you have SOME connection with, it's quite nice.
>>18337481
You are a male, just "not being fat" often isn't enough.
>knowing that everything is just so shallow, that at the end of the day all that matters is looks
It's worse, because "all that matters is looks" only works for us, for the most part. Men have to be INCREDIBLY HANDSOME for that alone to cover for everything else.
> I really wonder if there's any purpose to life anymore other than amorally just taking as much power as you can and hurting others maximally to extract what you want
You can still feel good about doing good things, but yes, life is more or less following dopamine shots, biological imepratis, and whatever meaning you/other people before you managed to create.
>I don't want to pursue a woman because the mere fact of doing so puts me at a disadvantage
That's life in general. I think civilization made people forget they are part of a desperate struggle for survival, life is taken for granted and anythign that's not secure/certain isn't worth doing. It's silly.

>>18337842
>I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like I'm not extremely mentally ill and probably even a bad person
No anon you're just human. What you have to accept is tat "Human" isn't nice, isn't pretty, media lies about relationships, it was never that pretty and never will be.

Once you internalized all that, the next step is accepting that other people are allowed to be human as well.

>>18338064
I understand other people are allowed to be human, but I"m becoming extremely despondent at the world. I don't trust anyone. Not family, not friends, no one. 90% of the time I go out with others I feel like I'm living a lie. Hell even the one time a girl online showed actual physical attraction to me, even while fat, I still fucked up the relationship somehow. I am totally afraid of other people and want to avoid them as much as I can.

>>18338442
You need to have a good, frank conversation with yourself for why you're actaully doing this. It'll hurt, it'll be pretty terrible to admit shit, but introspection is necessary here, anon. Clean the wound so you can heal.

>>18338571
The reason i'm actually doing this is because I'm a shit person and give others plenty of reason to avoid me and hate me but I can't stop doing it because after doing what I could to be a good person for 12 years I fucking broke down. It was legitimately too much effort.

>>18338694
You don't have to be a good person if it's too much effort, anon. it's okay to be tired of being used, tired of other people's shit. Just aim for not being a bad person instead, and do things to help yourself.

>>18338806
I guess you could say I'm having a crisis of faith in that I want to finally get what I want out of life but I don't want to have to be like everyone else to get it.
I don't want to be the genetic refuse that gets tossed aside every generation but at the same time when I look at what it takes to be not that, it fucking tears me up inside. It's questions like these that have made me have suicidal thoughts since I was like 10 years old.

>>18337800
>That sounds a million times creepier than even the most perverse line I could come up with.
Well i wouldn't say this kind of stuff IRL, obviously. But if you are not honest and sincere with your feelings, you will never achieve true intimacy.

>>18337800
I would have to go to Slavland for a woman to be attracted to my blobby body with somewhat muscular arms. And even then they still want guys who are personality-wise aggressive.

>>18338442
Trust issues are usually fear of loss and distrust in your own judgement. Find a way to work this shit through.

>>18339543
It took me years to realize I didnt have to pick between being myself and being people I hated. You can choose to be yourself, and improving upon yourself with a goal in mind while watching other people. The lessons you learn fron them you can add to yourself to improve further.

This is what people actually mean when they repeat the "just be yourself" wisdom. Become a first rate version of yourself, not a third rate someone else

>>18339689
Not wrong. That's one of the main reasons I fuck myself so hard. I can build up friendships easy-peasy, but anything romantic dies so fast.

>>18339689
I just think that physical contact in that way doesn't give a good impression.
Women seem to have an idea/expectation of how the male mind works and they seemingly think it takes all our self control to not fuck women we are attracted to. That's the vibe you should have.
>>18339774
I dunno about the personality thing, from what I understand in a group of girls they train themselves to like guys that are different from their friends.

>>18339868
yeah but what if the best version of myself I can think of isn't even necessarily not fat?

>>18340122
You dont need to know what the best version of yourself is, today. Stop trying to look to the top mt everest today, and take a single step instead. Then another tomorrow. And another.

You are not in a good mental space to decide anything properly. But you CAN be, in a couple months. Aim for that first. THEN you start working on your self inage issues, if any

>>18340105
Humans, mostly are very tactile beings, obviously if the vibe is not there don't fucking touch other ppl, but unless both of you are socially inept usually there is very clear "go for it" moment