/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>1839559
Ame, she's a time traveler.

>>1839559
can't get enough of this image every time it's posted

>>1839559
Mori's a psychopomp. She ferries the dead, she doesn't get to just decide to kill people when it's not time.

>>1839667
She's admitted in-character (if you trust her as an accurate interpreter of her own lore) that she can kill people on a whim. She just doesn't because she's currently "on hiatus".

>>1839559
Kiara supposedly according to hololive lore and huke, with her belt switched on, could burn "everything". Now unclear as to what Everything means, but if it means she can burn concepts, like the concepts of life and death, and time and space, she is easily the strongest. If you won't accept that I would tie her with Calli since she can't ever die but can do huge amount of damage, making her a hard counter to Callis main advantage and able to kill a similar amount of people.

>>1839559
Why is Ayame up there with Kiara and Rushia when I'm pretty sure she's said her and Noel are equals?

Canon lore, Ina. Canon body count, Peko

>>1839734
If she can burn conceptual aspects of reality, shouldn't she be able to burn her own ability to die and attain true immortality?

>>1839785
Ina is a glorified accountant.

>>1839806
The trade off for great power is low intelligence.

>>1839785
Ina is just a slightly mutated human. The Ancient Ones work through her, but she isn't one of them.

>>1839806
But then she wouldn't be able to annoy Calli.

Weird that this is even a question; this was answered a long time ago.
It's the duck.

>>1839806
This is some D&D shit right here.

>>1839785
I wouldn't count Ina. All of her power is actually the power of the Ancient Ones, Ina herself doesn't get to control them. If the Ancient Ones don't feel like it, Ina's weaker than the average human given her bad stamina.

>>1839734
Cool. Now discard EN since they're OP

>>1839878
Subaru? Subaru is a slightly more athletic than average teenage girl. I could kick her ass.

I don’t think it would be Calli; even if she’s a death, she’s only one of many, and clearly there are deaths above her considering Death-Sensei exists
No, I think it would probably either be Roboco considering she is an Android and a literal Terminator, or one of Holomyth. Maybe Moona, since she is a moon goddess, or Watame with her literal immortality that prevents her from being able to die (I feel like Watame would outlast Calli for some reason and just bore her to death because she just wouldn’t die)
Ngl, thinking about it some of the power levels of Hololive kinda approach Touhou power levels

>>1839909
Ok disregarding EN it gets more confusing. Do we go by canon or stuff we know about them? Because in canon the magic users like Rushia would get an edge, demons like Ayame, choco and Mel would get a special mention, but then considering real life abilities Korone would lay almost every girl on their ass due to her boxing knowledge, and Subaru is stronger then the average Holo girl.
All I can say is that Marine without her crew is bottom tier.

>>1840074
You need to take into account their personalities too, though. Roboco is pretty damn harmless under most circumstances; plenty of her juniors are more aggressive and willing to use their powers than she is.

>>1840084
Marine doesn’t have a crew
She’s a cosplayer you very dumb person

EN is too OP, we shouldn’t count EN because of this fact.

>>1840084
Ayame has a few actual listed powers, but I don't think Choco does. She's just a sexy demon; not even a succubus (by her own admission) so we can't attach normal fictional succubus powers too her. And Mel isn't a demon; she's a vampire. I could kill her by tricking her into wake up during the day.

>>1839559
if you mean by straightforward combat, then you need to exclude ina and mori since they have plot armor and are more suited as an NPC giving missions and spectating fights
>>1839629
it doesn't technically mean anything unless it's something similar to Killer Queen's [Bites the dust] ability.

>>1840167
I mean, EN couldn’t kill Watame desu (though I don’t think anyone could kill Watame given she has literal immortality)

>>1840173
Mel's a Daywalker, so that instantly puts her into the top echelon of fictional vampires. She's at least Dracula-tier.

Watame can respawn after 7 seconds, so she is beyond immortal, you could travel back in time and kill her or destroy the planet, but she would still be alive.

Okay but Watame isn't powerful. She's been shown to be no stronger than your average girl with marginally sharp horns on her head. Just because she can't die doesn't make her a threat. It's more like a nuisance you have to keep blasting to dust every seven seconds.

>>1839559
You are all fucking retards. Super Nenechi is the strongest being in the universe just by existing. And don't get me started on her evolution Ultra Nenechi and her God form, La Nene Blanco.

Ok I think we need a tiering system for this
Broken tier would be cali and kiara, don't know who else is here.
Then we should put mythical beings like Coco, Rushia, Moona, uh that angel girl whose name I'm forgetting, Roboco
Then like lesser mythical beings like Choco, mel, Ayame, flare?
Then trained fighters like Noel, Korone?
Then regular girls with high fitness
Subaru? There have to be more
Then regular girls and idols

Not sure where to slot in people like Haachama since she feels dangerous but her powers are unclear, serial killers like suesei and Pekora, and where do you put Botan and Watson? Botan might be too lazy to fight or highly dangerous. Watson has no skills other then lesser Marksmen ship but has control of time. Maybe an autistic fate style Star chart is needed.

>>1840332
Hey horn drill has been confirmed to be a powerful special move, she just misses all the time and goes limp if you grab her neck.

>>1840345
Ah there's the third broken tier, super nene god nene hyper max complete

>>1840157
Is that true? I always thought the captain thing was played straight.

>>1840345
No mortal has survived a Super Nenechi Punch and lived to tell the tale.

>>1840563
>>1840345
Nene is so strong she killed a whole branch lmao

Subaru's presence inspires fear among most, and presents a challenge to those who are brave. The gorilla tenshi with shitty fashion sense is second.

>>1840439
So Watame can be defeated like you would defeat a cat. Good for her?

>>1840167
Only Calli and Kiara are top tier.
Ina - Just a priestess with tentacles
Gura - An Atlantean, puts her high but it isn't anything special compared to Coco or Mel.
Ame - Her time travel is linked to her watch which is a huge weakness, also she isn't strong enough to damage/kill the top tiers.

>>1839559
>Lore-wise, who is the strongest hololiver?

I am.

>>1840714
Yeah, Gura's a shark girl with a long lifespan but nothing else about her lore suggests she's some great threat. In fact, her lore suggests Bloop's the one you need to watch out for.

>>1840760
Do we include mascots? Lamy is nothing on her own just a silly drunk, but her familiar has powers.

>>1839559
She's death's apprentice not death.

>>1840256
Dude look at this video
https://youtu.be/NSLjS-BKKGs
Clearly Amelia can kick ass if she can use her time clock wisely
>>1839806
It's a trade off for a powerful moveset
>>1840074
>>1839559
People forget but Calli isn't death itself, more like the servant of death (shinigami) so she isn't as powerful as most people think she is

Ame uses za warudo ez clap

>>1840616
She fucking killed one of her gen mates on her first week. She's a menace that needs to be stopped.

>>1840837
Huh. Good question. If we do, that means Mio gets Hatotaurus, and that's pretty damn unfair.

>>1840714
you underestimate how stupiud ame's lore has gottem lmao

oga has to be top tier at least

>>1840529
at least in holo graffiti lore she's a "normal" person

>>1840563
>>1840345
If we doing alternate forms of holo members, should we be to bring in Shadow Korone, she has the power to trap souls (Trapped Korone soul herself) and break the fourth wall of the stream, she seems to be able to cause technology corruption as well as Korone game couldn't work (so Roboco can't beat her)

>>1841028
But isn't shadow Korone constantly in combat with light side Korone?
I feel alternative versions would be very messy just due to how many Nenes it would create.

What about the implied lore that Akai Haato and Haachama are two personalities unintentionally guarding the release of a third demonic personality?

>>1840993
I still don't understand this episode.

All idols are completely powerless without the faith and worship from their followers (the viewers and supachas) and all their 'abilities' lore-wise as an idol would be meaningless. It won't matter if they are Overpowered or have any form of Godlike powers on paper. Without dedicated worshippers (cult members), sooth sayers(schizos postings rrats), tribute (donations) and new followers to follow suit. They will disappear and be forgotten.

>>1840920
Oga is the Krillin of the Holoverse. He's the physically strongest regular guy, but he's outclassed by almost everyone with real powers.

>>1841145
I think they'd still only be on par with susei.

>>1841149
It's making fun of the weird reasoning of old men.

>>1841241
What does that make Shien? He's basically just a mob enforcer.

>>1841107
it could be like a dark sonic thing where she can let consume her for a bit, kinda of like Black Suit Spiderman, people are already discussing mascots so why not?
Makes it more fun to think about

>>1839734
>Kiara can burn concepts
We're timelooping back into /jp/ at the height of its type moon autism phase...

>>1839559
Haachama is the strongest. It doesn't matter what abilities your girl has, Haachama is stronger. One punch Haachamachama. Ultimate VTuber Haachama.

Yagoo is the strongest since he created them all and could uncreate them if he wishes.

>>1841149
Most of their episodes are just inane bullshit
>.t that one episode where noel and rushia got trapped in outerspace and the whole endgoal was just a rushia flat joke

>>1841149
It’s actually one of the few episodes with continuity if I’m remembering correctly. There’s a later Hologra which shows her getting the tricycle, and becoming stuck in the rain.

>>1841149
Do you understand most of the other episodes? Because in my experience it's either a cliche taken to the extreme or a reference to some very old shit. None of it makes any internal sense.

>>1841375
Hey man "everything" is the terms used by hololive and Huke. Also type moon didn't create power levels like that, litterally the story of gilgamesh did.

>>1839559
>>1841145
How much counts as lore? If we count the holo anime, 3D shorts and videos released by the girls themselves we know Haachama can
>Cast "Haachama Beam" (looks like it causes hallucinations, some think it's a form of local reality bending)
>Create massive numbers of clones of herself, at any size
>Sever a human head with one swipe of a standard kitchen knife, sharpness unknown but still takes near inhuman strength
>Survive decapitation and can remove and reattach limbs at will
>Has multiple heads and bodies to switch between with their own personality and power
>Immune to toxicity, can digest anything she can physically eat with no side effects
>Immune to electric shock, actually enjoys it
>Resistant to extreme cold, can survive in Antarctica wearing her school outfit with just shivering
Probably not the ultimate winner but could probably go one on one with most of Holomyth and other fantasy themed holos

>>1841604
I mean I kinda get the rest yeah. They typically are simple gag stuff but the girls are usually written pretty consist.

>>1841661
That's true. Haachama Beam is basically a "fuck you I win" power.

>>1841661
Do we count that Aki can produce "any fluid" from between her legs? She could produce the waters of life or something.

>>1841662
Well, I just noticed that they made private the tricycle episode and Marine's related gag is also missing. Good thing archives exist.

>>1841873
Wait they fucking what? I watched it just earlier this week

>>1841785
Eh, I see it as illusions because I doubt she actually sent OkaKoro to space, and it was described as mobs of haachamas standing around couples acting weird in the same episode. Also don't know if she can control the illusion or it's based on what the target is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_9xsmRez4Y
I think most of the magical girls could break out of it though

>>1841867
Yeah it counts, also her ability to give birth to people from other universes. Could make her a powerhouse if she can bring in alternate Ina

>>1841998
It's jork.

gura is strongest. stronger than everyone. even noel.

>>1839734
t. 2hufag

>>1842163
Gura's kryptonite

>>1839559
Mr. Koro
next question

>>1839559
Not really a power level lore but:
Sora is actually also an angel. She is a level 5 high tier angel because she wears a "5" edge star on her hair.
Kanata is high-tier as well but only level 4 because of her "4" edge star.

>>1839785
Ina confirmed that her tentacles have the strength of pool noodles, and she's really weak herself, so the most she can do is borrow AO's power, which doesn't count. On her own she's probably one of the weakest members

Since holostars got mentioned, then Roberu is the strongest. He has the most OP meme power of all: Victory.

>>1842414
We have to count Sora separate, she's more like the creator or focal point of the holoverse.

>>1842555
>tentacles only good for hentai
Ina pls

>>1840387
Noel is stronger than Coco as confirmed by the Holo alt PV. She's 100% the strongest and bulkiest member who could be considered a "normal human"

>>1842163
>>1842226
Makes a good point. Even if strong she's as dumb as a rock.

>>1842686
That's literally all she has going for her. She has superhuman strength and, I guess, some skill with a sword. That wouldn't do much against fucking magic.

>>1842616
That's basically power of friendship level of powers. Too OP I think.

>>1839559
Moona i guess since she is the personification of heavenly bodies on the sky

>>1840758
You're just a treerat with human intelligence, you're no threat to people like Coco, Ayame or Noel let alone the ultra OP like Cali or Kiara

>>1843169
Yeah but what does being a talking moon give her? Moona's not a goddess, she's a sentient celestial body. She's never once been seen using magic or shooting lasers or shit like that.

Of all the Hololive members I find it easiest to buy that "Super Hyper Ultra Ultimate Deluxe Perfect Amazing Shining God 東方不敗 Master Ginga Victory Strong Cute Beautiful Galaxy Baby 無限 無敵 無双 Nenechi" is the one to have some "protagonist of the universe" power that makes her stronger than whoever she is currently fighting

>>1842799
Speaking of magic where are we putting Shion and Flare? I'm not very familiar with their lore at all. Are they strong enough to beat brutes like coco and Noel or is their magic more rabbit in a hat type stuff?

>>1843675
Let's just assume she's like Rosalina, still low/mid tier but it's something to go off of

>>1843861
>Nene has 40k ork powers

>>1839886
Legit, I think I had a fellow player try to have a Dragon god burn away his mortality in 3.5

>>1840714
Ame is Doom Guy, but with time travel.

>>1840387
I don't know why, but my brain always imagines Suesei having a ability akin to Mace Windu's Shatterpoint. Finding the weaknesses of her targets and such.

Kiara and Mori are tied first place
Coco would be second I think. She's a fucking dragon right?
Then maybe Noel, PPT, Ayame or something like that
Special mention to doog

>>1840758
Isn't your primary power the ability to tease people during NNN?

>Elder God tier
Nene, Hachaama, AO, Sora
>????
Iofi, Moona
>God tier
Kiara, Mori, Aki, Miko (God)
>Top tier
Noel, Korone, Ina (AO powers)
>Hax tier
Ame (Time travel), Rushia (Necromancy) Shion (Magic)
>Strongest mythological creature tier
Coco, Kanata, Towa
>Strong mythological creature tier
Choco, Mel, Gura
>Japanese mythological tier
Fubuki, Mio, Okayu, Ayame
>Murderer tier
Suisei, Botan, Peko, Anya
>Human tier
Ina, Lamy, Flare, Polka, Azki, Matsuri, Subaru
>Wimp tier
Roboco, Marine, Luna, A-chan, Watame, Risu, Ollie, Reine

>>1844482
>Roboco in Wimp tier
She's a robot from the future built to wage war. She would hold her own against anyone below Hax tier.

>>1844768
if she wasnt so clumsy yes

>>1844987
If anything her being so clumsy is a benefit. Spraying wildly with a built-in minigun is way scarier than being accurate.

>>1839559
ENTER

>>1844482
I dont watch holostars
everyone but rikka and oga is a human right
and shien and pizza dad are from the mafia/have guns?

>>1839559
>mastery of flame
>immortal

Lore-wise, a phoenix can die when attacked with iron, and it just lives a long time over a series of rebirth. It seems to be immortal only because it has a long life span. So if you go be real lore, no a phoenix is not that strong.

If you go by the "it was a hologram" lore that Kiara uses, then she can do everything forever and never lose because she's a part time warrior after all.

this threads are boring

>>1839559
Isn't ina an elder god?

>>1846241
the elder god is the halo and tentacles, shes just a priestess

i love mori

>>1845330

Miyabi is a cute flower boy. Very gay
Arurandis is a man who is just like a ripe apple about to fall from the tree. Kinda gay? is good at understanding english tho and is /fit/
Izuru is a punk. I suspect he knows to how to punch. Somewhat gay
Rikka is an android made to be a vtuber. Sounds weak. Surprisingly not however.
Asterureda is an alien. Is a furry and shotacon. Probably has a cub fursona. Clippers make gargantuan efforts to make him gay.
Roberu works at a bar. Is loud as fuck. DAMN that's loud. Is a lanky ass jap, underfed af.
Tenma is a knight. Has a sword and shit.
Shien is a mafia boss from the beast world. Has shown his irl feet in stream before and literally came during an ASMR stream using an electric massager (wtf)
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Oga is a demon warrior who got isekai'd. Can change sizes and his max is 200 mt tall. Lost to Fubuki of all people. Likes to do streams at 5 am JST and improptu yaoi dialogs with Shien

>>1841187
HOW THE FUCK DOES HUMAN CULTURE NEVER CHANGE
ALL WE DO IS DRESS UP ANCIENT ARCHETYPES IN FANCY NEW CLOTHES AND TECHNOLOGY

>>1846241
AO-chan is an elder god and probably one of the strongest things in canon. But Ina is just a person who barely taps into AO's power with her tentacles

>>1844482
I am pretty sure Reine's death squads put her at the top of the Murderer Tier

I could live of off nothing but Mori Calliope's ass sweat.

that is all. thank you for listening.

>>1840919
you underestimate how stupid ame is

>>1847229
>Ame's time travel has nothing to do with the watch
>She just believes it does because clock=time

>>1847446
The true mans method of time travel

>>1839559
Most people agree either Kanata (literal god's servant, holy powers, etc., whatnot) or Rushia (necro, probably lich mage).

>>1839734
>>1839806
Like Yamamoto's Bankai, she could burn the entire existance if careless including herself.

>>1840879
it kinda depends how time stopping/time travel works, really. Are you cognizant of the time-stream as a whole? Do you have precognition? If you don't, someone merely shooting you while you're not expecting it would kill you. If you're more like D4C, and able to interact with other timelines/alt universe versions of yourself, and could save yourself, then yea, you'd be a force to reckon with.

Depends on wether you want to count cannonical or meme power levels. The answer to that is a 4 way split between Rushia, Ina, Haachama and Kiara.

Rushia has the power of necromancy, giving her access to an army of undead, and likely giving herself some neutered form of immortality.

Ina has an Eldritch Deity with an unknown degree of influence over the universe in her corner of the ring, as well as the power to summon tentacles.

Haachama has an incredibly long and unusual list of notable abilities which I can't be asked to list, but this anon was kind enough to write for me >>1841661 the gist of which adds up to inhuman strength, incredibly physical durability, and the ability to self replicate at will (which is arguably a form of regenerative immortality)

Kiara has regenerative immortality (so basically dark souls protagonist powers), some degree of Pyromancy, access to flight, and is also apparently a skilled warrior with a sword and shield. She also likely has access to an effectively infinite supply of fried chicken, which isn't game changing, but could come in handy.

I'm deliberately excluding people whose powers are too vague or unexplored to quantify , or that have little evidence of even existing (eg. Shion, Gura and Kanata). I've deliberately not included Mori as while her ability to wield the power of death is impressive, its shown to have a glaring limitation: the inability to permanently kill people with regenerative immortality. This means she quite literally can't can't win against Kiara and Haachama, and will have an incredibly difficult time against Rushia

>>1848342
If we include fannon and meme powers however, the most likely contenders for most powerful moves to Nene, Roberu, Ina again and Amelia. These all have some form of reality warping powers, however they vary in nature wildly in ways that makes it an interesting debate as to which one is the most powerful.

Nene has protagonist/40K Orc powers in that if she believes she can beat her opponent enough, the universe itself will change to fit her version of reality, making her stronger than her opponent. This limits her ability to triumph over her opponent to her confidence in her ability to win, which judging by the fact that she's punched a god in the face on 3 separate occasions, is pretty high. She also has access to the Super Nene Punch, as well as the ability to emit radio waves ranging from 25–39 GHz at an undisclosed intensity.

Roberu has the power of "Winning", however this has been shown to be something he has little control over, and also has unexplored limitations. In a fight with everyone else listed, winning could be classified anywhere from seducing the competition and winning by default, to merely being granted a fast, painless and un-humiliating death.

Ina, as we've previously stated, has favor with a higher Entity, giving her an undisclosed influence over reality.

Amelia has the power of time travel, A decent amount of skill with fire arms, access to various "Watsons Concoction", Access to the resources of a construction company (Watson Constuction), and of being able to "Zoom" (so just move very fast).

holos power level should be canonically tied to holofightz results

>>1848420
so Luna is the strongest?

I just want to post some friend's ass.

>>1848494
Nanora~

>>1848494
Luna Godzilla form is really strong, but unfortunately she has incredibly low stamina. She is basically a glass cannon.

>>1841873
why would they privatize it? was there anything yabe about it?

>>1839559
Aki Rozenthal canon-wise can create infinite amount of things between her thighs, with ultimate feat being recreation of Subaru that few moments earlier was deleted from existence.

>>1840265
A fucking Golconda Vampire, no less. Might as well just kapu kapu the world, but she's too nice to do that.

>>1842727
Heart of gold
Head of bone
Dumb of Ass

>>1841867
>>1842077
Not just liquids, but "things", as in "any-thing", basically, but it activates under trigger not command, like the Miko-Roboco chapter where they almost die from the poison until Miko calmed her down.

Miko is actually decently powerful herself, also ELITE.

>>1842414
>>1842678
Sora is basically the announcer in Smash Brothers, unless you consider that one theory/statement about Hand being Announcer.

>>1842799
Noel has shown other powers and whatsuch, she's basically Legendary Hero, holy element but with nornal-style usage.

>>1844431
Consuming Michael Tyson's Derriere.

>>1840758
>they think its risu when its unironically the way gura types...
oh boy

Ina easily. She mentioned she doesn't control her tentacles and only has them act on suggestion but also that they're literally infinite and when magically infused, impossible to harm on a conceptual level. Also that since it's like that, anything that could possibly harm her is automatically defended against and disposed of by the tentacles or through direct mind manipulation from AO.

Gura’s the strongest potentially but like her stream today she’s to dumb to use her powers correctly.

>>1844482
I spent too much time on this

>>1849622
Thanks, kind stranger. It'll make it easier to share the discussion with le reddit Dragon

>>1849622
matsuri is literally God Himself dumbfuck

>>1849930
>>1849622
Do it so many people shitpost about a 4chan meme review, make the meme real and force everyone to sit through it.

>>1849949
If I say I'm god then I'm god too?

>>1839667
On her latest members stream Mori said that if you even look at her irl (as in, not through a screen) your eyes instantly burn out of your head. Even in her human form.

>>1841558
>>1841604
Oh shit, is there a wiki for the tie in and continuity shit?

>>1840257
Isn't Watame supposed to be a Greek deity? Specifically, Pan. She even has the lyre.

>>1850285
I have never heard this before but to be fair never watched her debut.

>>1850285
Watame's a sheep. Probably added a harp to add to the cloud theme
>lyre
is Apollo's. Pan has pipes

>>1850210
Do you have a timestamp? I don't remember her saying any of this.

>>1839559
im just here for the pic desu

there are some I don't watch much so I'm not sure of their level but I think it goes like this?

>>1839559
Mio has the strongest Stand and Ayame is up there with her AT fields.

>>1839629
How does a time traveler beat death?

>>1844431
I want Korone to beat me to death

>>1842678
>>tentacles only good for hentai
>Ina pls
Hentai tentacles can usually lift a human.

>>1851155
By channeling eternity.
>Create a closed timeloop
>Give the residents enough awareness of the loop so they won't be repeating actions
>survive the heat death of the universe
>pic related

>>1839785
>Canon body count, Peko
I thought she was a virgin idol.

Mori isn't broken. see >>1848342
She can't permanently kill people with regenerative immortality like Kiara, and she's stated to be one of multiple reapers whose job it is to carry out the work of death rather than the actual physical personification of death, meaning chances are that she isn't immortal, or that her immortality is at least more limited than given one might be lead to believe.

>>1851426
>>1850567
meant for.

>>1851227
The only thing I remember about this book is there are tons of extremely kinky sex

>>1839559
Lamy is the physical representation of entropy, she could freeze the blood in the veins of any living holo

watamelon

We all know who

Can your oshi stand against the might of Darkseid?

>>1851454
After reading momcest and dadcest for the nth time, I learned to ignore it.

>>1848342
>>1851426
according to Mori herself, she cannot die (at best the human body can) and according to Ina, she can freely bring people back and forth if asked
even the immortals can at best stalemate her and unlike them, she cannot really be trapped/restrained in her 'true form' (which is just the embodiment of the moment of death, like in Final Destination)

>>1851601
wannabe Lady Death > wannabe Thanos

>>1850210
Then how will she ever offcollab with anyone

>>1851730
>wannabe Thanos
anon...

>>1851730
>wannabe Thanos
This hits the Jim Starlin where it hurts.

Haachama is AO-chan, prove me wrong.

>>1839559
I dunno about all that but I want her to sit on my face and unleash dirty reaper farts until I fucking die.

>>1848260
Kinda, it's just shitpost from her, but the pink rings around her eyes give her a different perception of reality.
And her past self can check her future self to see the threat, then travel back in time to put a bullet into her killer when it still weak.
Time travel is very powerful if you give no fuck to a fair fight.

>>1849949
God, but still a god of festivals, not war.

>>1839629
Time traveling is a great ability but doesnt make her immensely powerful if she herself is not powerful enough. If there's an opponent that she just straight up cannot defeat then it doesnt matter how many times she time travels, think of Subaru in Re:zero but he doesnt get to collect powers

Well, technically Ame is the protagonist in Hololive Myth. That's the way the lore has been presented officially. The other members are the mysteries that Ame is figuring out. By nature of being a harem anime protagonist, Ame definitively gets a boost in power levels.

>>1852607
Subaru can't time travel far enough to rape Satella when she's still a loli.

>>1852607

It's not just time travel though, she can create time loops, and time stops. We've seen it. It's horrible. Not again. Not again...

>>1850567
I call bs on Ame and Ina though. Ame has time travel powers which is always ridiculously OP and Ina owns the Necronomicon which depending on its version (the original or a translation) offers from universe ending powers to summoning an old one that can easily destroy the world.
Unless of course this doesn't count any accessories and only their own strength then it's all pretty accurate.

>>1852744
>Ame has time travel powers which is always ridiculously OP

She's canonically broken time before.

>>1851777
Based Aloe includer

>>1850210
So she's less death incarnate and more of an angel of death?

>>1851508
This. Haachama falls into collective hallucination/technically not real tier. That is why she is the strongest idol. She's also shown more capacity for bloodshed in lore than any hololive member.

>>1851777
The incredible urge to procreate is a force of natural anon.
No living thing can beat SEX.

>>1850402
59:46
It's when she is talking about doing a bar crawl stream and strapping a camera to her forehead. My timestamp is for the nigmark download so it may not perfectly line up with the YouTube vod but it's probably very close.

>>1850567
>human level
>FUCKIN AKI
>below human
>Sora
Absolute garbage tier

>>1853151
Oh alright, I remember her talking about that but I figured she knew trying to stream outside was a bad idea.

>>1851228
Anon, the six gorillion long nosed banker usagis... never forget...

>>1850567
No.

>>1839559
isn't it akirose? she's from an isekai future, she's half elf, other half siren so she can mind control you with her voice too.

>>1850567
your list is awful

everyone saying ame is at the top because of time travel powers are stupid because aki has not only time travel but she's also isekai'd, and has tons of other abilities too.

>>1842616
Roberu got max charisma, so he can add an unlimited number of characters to his party

>>1842616
>Roberu's Victory ability makes it so Winning is always a possibility, even if he doesn't capitalize on it

>>1839629
>>1844482
>>1847446
>>1848260
>>1848398
>>1849622
>>1851155
>>1851227
>>1852554
>>1852607
>>1852710
>>1852744
>>1852774
>time travel
Aki does that plus more so she's #1

korone because she could just kick their ass irl to make them change their lore

>>1839559
Lmao i thought you meant hololiver as in liver.
And i justified pic because mori is an alchoholic

>>1852936
is your name rance by chance?
hey that rhymed

>>1849622
If you put all the tiers in spanish it becomes better

>>1851776
Have you ever heard of Burkhas?

>>1848342
>I've deliberately not included Mori as while her ability to wield the power of death is impressive, its shown to have a glaring limitation: the inability to permanently kill people with regenerative immortality
Who doesn't have this limit? You basically have to disqualify everyone then

>>1855149
Haachama can give them a fate worse than death

>>1852744
well idk the exacts of Ame's powers, from what I know she's just a movie Sherlock with a Bernard's watch that can move through time.
For Ina I'm taking into consideration what others said/what I heard, so in the end she's just some juiced up human priestess, if she was really that all powerful she would've opened a way for the old ones already.

>>1853179
I'm not doing shit meme power levels anon, so unless you have anything on her she's just a highschool girl, plus I'm not tiering inside tiers but I'm pretty sure she could beat up at least Aqua and Luna.
For Aki I really don't know much, only she's a half-elf from another dimension. And bellydance.

Again fuck meme power levels

>>1840616
So did Orange Woman

>>1855382
If you're just counting the character page itself then it isn't too bad, most of us are counting anything put out by hololive as canon, just don't count fanbase only memes

>>1855382
>if she was really that all powerful she would've opened a way for the old ones already.
Unless Ina is so level-headed that the ancient ones are basically big fluffy takos as far as she's concerned

>>1840616
>>1840906
what did she do
whats the rrat

>>1855597
ascended rrat, she doxxed all of Gen 5 by reuploading some art she made on her roommate account that was following all the other roommate accounts

If Gura is an Atlantean with a gods trident she possesses the following abilities. Superhuman strength, speed, agility, stamina, and durability as well as regenerative powers. Her trident alone makes her resistant to magical abilities and mind alternating powers such as Kiara’s fire or Ina’s corruption spells. The trident could possess the ability to control the water and marine life around her and conjure magical bolts. But like a previous post said she’s to dumb to properly use her powers.

>>1854004
Getting transported from another time isn't the same as free time traveling power.

>>1855561
Yeah I'm trying to take only canon into consideration. I could go on detail on why for each one but that would be kinda long. Plus like I said, there are many I don't watch that much so I'm not sure about on stream lore explanations.
>>1855565
Either A) Ina doesn't have enough power herself, even through channeling the book, to accomplish her goal as a priestess and open the way for the old ones or B) The old ones are a non threat. Either way unless you have some lore for me she's a human with extra limbs.

>>1840084
Thought she had a fat cock from the thumbnail

>>1855382
>I'm not doing shit meme power levels anon
>Again fuck meme power levels
>All of >>1850567
>Tiermaker
>"Broken"
>"Broken Bird"
>"Deity Level" with the virtual shrine maiden and the angel
>"Dragon Level"
>Above human level has the adidas lion, a fucking squirrel, and a random dog who lives in a bakery
>Human level has the alien, the sci-fi isekai elf, the sheep, the cat, and the circus fox while the roadkill treerat is in Above human
>"Haachama?"
>Below human level has the ancient magical weapon given human form

>>1854568
I dont know spanish

>>1839559
>strongest holo
How can it be anyone other than The Lord himself?

>>1856324
Yeah I'm not doing shit meme hurr durr am god power levels, you retard fuck and I'll name the tiers whatever I want and use whatever site I want to make them, 4boomer.
Yeah Miko is deity level, I'm considering a one on one fight and she can channel the shrine gods powers through her. I'm more surprised no one questioned the fox or the wolf.
Most half-human half-animals have above human abilities, and like I said it's from the lore I know, so the hags are staying on above human and you can suck it up fag
Being a different race doesn't mean their physiques are superior, the alien doesn't have any lore on why she'd be stronger than a human. Like I said I'm not sure about the scifi half-elf, the sheep might go to above human but the cat is staying. Okay you got me on the squirrel.
I can't tier Haachama because she couldn't finish her god damn lore so I'm not sure if she's an immortal doppelganger or just a schizo
>Implying Anya could do anything
>Either dwarf form or a immobile knife form
Anon do you even

Noel is literally a JRPG protagonist so she's the strongest due to PLOT armor.

SSS+
Haachama (Modo de coccion)
El Grande SuperNenechi (Presidente de dox)

SS
El padre de Watame
Takeshi (Presidente de sex)
La Fiesta (Ella es dios ok?)
Niggerman

S
Yagoo
Sora (Anti-resistencia)
Aqua Retardar
Mio (Vidente del futuro)
La Cocock
Shubangelion

A
Cometa (Campeona de tetris)
PPT (El Gorilla)
Mukiroze
Risu (>ELLA ESTA AQUI)
Noel (Destructor de teclado)
Korone (de NND dias)

B
Pekomama
A-chan (teta grande)
La Brat
Ramirez (toma los medicamentos)
Negra de nippon

C
Kokoro Rojo (muerta)
La Fiesta (cuckeada por Hoshikawa)
Senchou Idolo
Ayame (La puta)
ogey (rrat)
Choco (Subscribete, por favor)

D
Luna (RFA)
Presidenta Taoling

E
Lofi

>>1856742
Aki can create portals

>>1856742
This gif makes me miss Haachama so much...

>>1856742
>Yeah I'm not doing shit meme hurr durr am god power levels, you retard fuck and I'll name the tiers shit meme hurr durr am god power levels and use the shit meme hurr durr am god power levels site to make them
>Most half-human half-animals have above human abilities, and like I said it's from the lore I know, so the hags are staying on above human and you can suck it up fag
>Being a different race doesn't mean their physiques are superior, the alien doesn't have any lore on why she'd be stronger than a human. Like I said I'm not sure about the scifi half-elf, the sheep might go to above human but the cat is staying. Okay you got me on the squirrel.
>these sentences one after another in the same post
8/8

Whatever the power level, Nene will always be the protagonist to me.

>>1856742
>Implying Anya could do anything
I'd like to imagine she could at least launch herself around in her dagger form cause just turning into a weapon and being stuck there would be underwhelming.

>>1839559
Korone and Fubuki are deities, so they're above Mori. It'd be a different deal if she was Death itself rather than a mere apprentice.

>>1857127
Anya is at least as durable as dagger so she can take more damage than humans

>>1840345
Ultra Mega Giga Super Chad Nene!

>>1856801
how about this:
>Calli: Death is OP, even using a human form, even as an apprentice
>Kiara: Built for combat and given OP shit by her dad
>Fubuki: I'm bullshitting this one because I'm not sure if she's a fox god or not
>Mio: Same as Fubuki
>Miko: Like I said, can channel the shrine gods powers so she's a divine conduit
>Kanata: Basing this on angels power levels
>Moona: Isn't she a moon goddess or some shit
>Mel: Daywalker vampire
>Choco: Demon
>Noel: From the alternative, she apparently can go one on one with a dragon
>Rushia: An actual competent spellcaster apparently, if she graduated from the demon's school of magic she should have more knowledge and necromancy is her mastery
>Coco: A literal dragon
>Towa: Another demon
>Flare: Half-elf, protector of the forest
>Korone: Half-dog boxer
>Shion: Half assed spellcaster
>Roboco: Android apparently built for war
>Ayame: I'm not sure about oni's powers, could be higher
>Botan: Half-lion, tactical knowledge
>Lamy: Magical snow elf
>Ina: debatable, lore isn't clear
>Gura: Not sure the extent of what it means to be an atlantean
>Reine: Magic peacock
>Risu: Half-squirrel, I'm pretty sure there's a hero like that
>Ollie: Conscious zombie
>Aki: Again, I'm not sure
>Watame: Half-sheep, probably has above human strenght
>Watson: Need more info on the timetravel powers but has above human abilities.
>Subaru: Fit highscool girl
>Suisei: Idol, supposed to stay fit enough to dance
>Okayu: Half-cat but lazy fuck
>lofi: Doubt she has anything special
>Nene: Isekai idol
>Polka: Half-fennec, doesn't add too much but fit enough to be a ringmaster
>Azki: Diva, supposed to be fit enough
>Haachama: lore incomplete, either doppel or schizo
>Aqua: Lazy maid
>Senchou: Cosplay pirate
>Matsuri: Highscool girl
>Pekora: Half-rabbit, that's the extent of what I know but looks weak as fuck
>Sora: Highscool girl
>Luna: has the stamina of a dying hag
>Anya: either a dwarf or a knife, lore incomplete

>>1857127
If anyone can add up on her lore and she can do partial transformations or use her magical abilities she'd go up to above human probably. Maybe I should add a tier below dragon.


the memefags can go to /a/ and start a goku vs superman thread

>>1857283
>Diety
ESL Chaama...

>>1857428
You coulda played it off as a pun but you've missed your chance

>>1855197
Uma delicia

>>1857547
If that was the case, I'd have to move Matsuri, Luna and Okayu

>>1841393
This. There is SUPER NENECHI GOD. And then above her there's Haachama.

Daifuku is more powerful than all of the holos combined

>>1857428
>Only Mori in Deity Tier
Aren't the entire cast of GAMERS shrine gods disguised as high schoolers?
Also Mori is a servant of Death-sensei so she technically belongs in the same category as Ina and Miko.

>>1858920
Mori is still Death. There's just more than one. Gamers are not Shrine Gods.

>>1846278
>>1846241
Wieeeeel ACKshuuuualy the Elder Gods were in opposition to the Great Old Ones in the established parts of the Cthulhu Mythos. Cthulhu was a Great Old One and since Ina takes inspiration from it she's better suited to being called a Great Old One than an Elder God.
>inb4 who cares nerd
I care faggot and deep down you do too.

>>1858937
>Mori is still Death.
She's Death's apprentice. Mori never called herself Death.
>Gamers are not Shrine Gods.
They are in Alternative.

>>1855713
That means shit when her genmates are death, immortal phoenix, can summon GoO, & can time travel into the past when the first big 草 happened.

>>1855197
>>1857577
Haachama has the power of "Can Cook Anything; No Exceptions"
She'd still have to subdue her opponent but once that's done, if it's at all possible, then it's いただきます.

>>1839559
Noel is the strongest in cannon

>>1858995
I DON'T CARE THE MOST INTERESTING THING THAT FAGGOT EVER DID WAS NAME HIS CAT, STOP POSTING!

>>1839734
>burn everything so it's just herself and Calli
>Calli dies because there's nothing left to die
>sadbirb.exe

>>1839559
But can they beat Accelerator or Gilgamesh?

>>1857185
>>1857371
>>1858920

GAMERS are not shrine gods in the main canon. They are however all mythical creatures: Fubuki, Mio, Okayu and Korone are Kitsune, Wolfman, Nekomata and Inugami respectively.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/HololiveJapanGAMERS

Though in the holoALT canon, it seems like their origin is different and that at least for Fubuki and Mio, they MIGHT actually be shrine gods, judging by Holoearth Chronicles, which holoALT is going to incorporate.

>>1858995
Oh yeah? Tell me how Noel is going to beat canonically immortal beings like Watame and Kiara? You would also get rekted by magic users and reality benders such as Shion, Rushia and Luna since she has no answer to their magical ability.

>>1859770
Noel's comment was meant for >>1859133

>>1859770
>Oh yeah? Tell me how Noel is going to beat canonically immortal beings like Watame and Kiara? You would also get rekted by magic users and reality benders such as Shion, Rushia and Luna since she has no answer to their magical ability.
Plot armor.

>>1859770
>Oh yeah? Tell me how Noel is going to beat canonically immortal beings like Watame and Kiara? You would also get rekted by magic users and reality benders such as Shion, Rushia and Luna since she has no answer to their magical ability.
in what context are you replying to me you tard
at least this autist made sense in his seethe >>1859513

>hololive EN members sees this thread
>sudden Super chat streams come up
>Ame: "btw I have not just time travel, but I also got inter dimensional travel too and blah blah blah..."
>Kiara:" I can fly around and shit my pants on every person I see!"
>Gura: Did you guys know that I can control tsunamis and typhoons too? I have every marine life at control and and and...
>Ina:" I can draw. Wah! :D
>every EN member now makes up bullshit super powers to feed into their inflated power fantasy lore
>all threads about Hololive EN gets into a deluded power level "NU UH MY OSHI'S DONUT STEEL OP POWERS IS BETTER THAN YOURS"

>>1839734
>nazi bird can burn all jews
can't make this shit up

>>1839734
>Gee Kiara, why does your Papa let you wear 2 hats?

>>1849949
ok

>>1850210
I get self esteem issues, but nobody can be THAT ugly

>>1860042
I'd pick this over the housewife gossip tier rrats.

>>1860315
she's not
pre-covid she'd be the embodiment of "busty-petite"
tight body, big boobs that spring out of fucking nowhere

>>1860042
>"NU UH MY OSHI'S DONUT STEEL OP POWERS IS BETTER THAN YOURS"
Ngl, I really wanted Suisei lore to have shit about her crashing into earth to wipe out the dinosaurs and hunting down humans in the ice age with a rudimentary golden axe made from minerals from her own body in the vein of the stone tools before having it melted down and reforged into a proper axe once the method and techniques have been invented.
I've put too much thought into this.

>>1860042
So Gura is Aquaman now?

>>1860360
I unironically want this.

>>1859648
Which Accelerator are we talking about here?

>>1857371
>Risu: Half-squirrel, I'm pretty sure there's a hero like that
Risu's also a witch who merged with her squirrel familiar. Well technically Ayunda is the witch, Risu is the squirrel. Probably still Shion tier if she keeps her powers.

>>1859770
Muscle Power and Friendship
As the party leader these are things she's able to harness depending on how much adversity she faces

>>1860360
And Subaru is actually a Bird God who can take the form of any bird, is a part of all birds in the world and is able to sense the worries and synergy of them all... Oh wait.
https://youtu.be/S587c3Rv9R8?t=57

>>1860426
Is there one aside from raildex?

>>1860042
>>Ame: "btw I have not just time travel, but I also got inter dimensional travel too and blah blah blah..."
So Ame just feeds harder into the whole "Doctor Who's retarded cousin" thing

>>1859770
I'm gonna use their ALT selves for now, normal ones would be above human probably.
>>1860452
Is there a source on that? I thought she was just a magical squirrel, but depending on her actual powers she might go up a tier.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I might be memeing on Kiara's power level, she might be strong and built for battle, but considering she has died before I would assume she's not undefeatable. Also I'm pretty sure it says somewhere she'd die if she's eaten, so I might bring her down to either deity or dragon level.

>>1860796
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/HololiveIndonesia
Go to Risu's entry then Symbiotic Possession.

>>1860796
>Is there a source on that?
Risu did a lore dump once or twice. Not a lot of elaboration afterwords though

>>1860851
>>1860928
>https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/HololiveIndonesia
Neat, I'll assume she still can use her powers and move her up to superhuman.
I'll read a little on the others to check if there's anything else.

>>1860796
>Anya is below human level
Anya said she doesn't need to eat or drink or anything and implied that she's indestructible, or at least can't be killed traditionally, since she's just a magic knife. And that she's still a dagger, even in human form, so she can accidentally cut people with her bare hands if she's not careful. So there's that. There was also some mention of some projectile attack before she got embarrassed and stopped talking about it. She's a Fate nerd so expect her to come up with some ridiculous bullshit if she ever gets into it.

yes but which holo is the most fertile?

>>1860796
>Sora
>Below Human level
why do HoloENfags hate Sora so much?

>>1861780
It's a combat power level tier list not a "who I want to impregnate" tier list you schizo

>>1861772
There's only one holo with a confirmed functional vagina anon.

>>1855697
>reuploading
people recognized her by the artstyle. She drew herself (Nene).

>>1862257
Sora and Matsuri should be at the same level as Suisei's at least because (canonically) they are just as athletic as her.

>>1862503
Fair point
>Patch notes:
>Kiara in the limbo tier since I'm still reading on what she can actually do instead of just bullshitting on the resurrection power
>Reine down a tier since apparently she only used magic for daily convenience
>Risu goes up to superhuman, assuming she can still use her witch powers
>Anya goes up to superhuman assuming she can actually use her knife magical powers
>Sora and Matsuri go up to human level since they're clearly stronger than everyone else in the below human level tier
I'll continue reading what I can find, but is there anything else I should consider?

>>1860595
No but within the story his powers go through various phases

>>1854004
Even if Aki could time travel, she'd still have to contend with two one other time traveler and two Causality Benders, all 3 of which come with stacked kits of their own. Aki has to contend with Radiowave blasts, god destroying punches, and 1337 hacking skills, and that's just Nene.

>>1863033
You're missing some important details on Nene. According to this she is capable of emitting Radiowaves, see here:
https://youtu.be/m6zy0Yqp-dg
She also may have the ability to warp causality. Please put Super Hyper Ultra Ultimate Deluxe Perfect Amazing Shining God 東方不敗 Master Ginga Victory Strong Cute Beautiful Galaxy Baby 無限 無敵 無双 Nenechi, with 5 Hololive auditions, 43 wives, 400k husbands, neverending IQ (π), Perfect Japanglish, and Spanish, and Portuguese, running on a 3080x Asacoco Antenna and wearing the new ultra rare 5-Star Isekai Princess skin, cofounder of world-famous Polka Hologram Circus, with infinite source of water and surprising gaming skills while able to sing La Lion and set herself on fire in Craftopia after having become the eternal CEO of Nenepro who punches and kicks every employee, after having disconnected while singing Connect with Kiara, as well as having her name flipped into ƎИƎИ and turned into a 3D cardboard decoy, unlocked the power of God from absorbing Matsuri’s snot on her body while I wearing a sexy bikini and having eaten Haachama's tarantula-spicy-noodles while convincing Ame to trast her and having mastered singing Shiny Smiley Story in 11 different languages at the same time, right after marathoning iCarly and VICTORIOUS twice in a row, great Idol, the Ina-perishable, ƎNƎN, The Great CEO of ƎNƎN, CEO of CEOs, Opener of the Nether, Wielder of the Divine Lava, Punisher of Chat, The Great Unifier, Commander of the Golden Dumpling, Sacred of Appearance, Bringer of Light, O'Riend of Chicken, Builder of Cities, Protector of the Two Streams, Keeper of the Hours, Chosen of Aloe, High Stewardess of the Horizon, Sailor of the Great Sea, Sentinel of the Holo Servers, The Undisputed, Begetter of the Begat, Scourge of the Matsuriless, Kusotori-feeder, First of the Mariokart, Rider of the Sacred Chariot, Vanquisher of Hachaama food, Champion of the Stream, Mighty Botan of the Infinite Desert, Emperor of the Shishiron, She Who Holds The Sceptre, Great Hawk Of The Heavens, Arch-Lady of Atalan, Waker of the Shubangelion, Queen Regent of the Sky, Majestic Empress of the Shifting Sands, Champion of the Desert Matsuris, Breaker of the Oni Clans, Builder of the Great Trap, Terror of the Villager, Master of the Never-Ending Horizon, Master of the Pekodam, Taker of Souls, Tyrant to the Foolish, Bearer of Polka's Holy Instrument, Scion of Matsuri, Scion of Nenechi, The (Dis)Connected, Chaser of Nightmares, Keeper of the Smile, Founder of the Nenechi Cult, Banisher of the Grand Horny, High Lady Admiral of the Houshou Pirates, Guardian of the La-Lion Pass, Tamer of the Tako Queen, Living Dumpling Lady, Dismisser of the Foxburger, Charioteer of the Matsuris, She Who Does Not Serve, Slayer off Reddittras, Apex Purger, Favoured of Lamy, Player of the Great Game, Liberator of Life, Lady Sand, Wrangler of Fennecs, Empress of the Dunes, Eternal Sovereign of Husbands Legions, Seneschal of the Great Sandy Desert, Curserer of the 300k Vtuber, Queen Regent of the Pineapple Pizza, Warden of the Eternal Nenepolis, Herald of all Heralds, Caller of the Bitter Win, Matsuri-Tamer, CEO of the Karaoke Stream, Guardian of the Deadbeats, Great Keeper of the Gyoza, Husband of the Tako Princess, Belated of Wakers, General of the Mighty Frame, Summoner of Subscribers, Wife of all Husbands, Princess of Desk-kun, Tyrant of Minecraft, Purger of the Phantom, Killer of the False Matsuri's Champions, Tyrant of the Golden Dumpling, Golden Dumpling Lady, Forgotten of the Left4Dead2, Kusotori Mistress, Eternal Warden of ƎNƎN's Lands, Breaker of Haachama's Bonds, Lord of The NENEngine, Everconductor of The Momotaro Nenechi higher.

Where does a literal shounen protag rank when it comes to powerlevel? The "Otherwise regular guy who can overcome incredible odds with sheer will and anime strategizing" type. Would that just be peak human, or could he technically overcome anything after the right training arc?
https://youtu.be/ovAUKY8OTyk?t=24585

>>1842189
Please don't associate us with mentally ill power level fags, we hate them just as much as you do.

>>1859061
I’ll give you Ame and Mori but for the other two their magic can be a weakness if Gura has Trident powers.

>>1863033
>Ame not in Broken tier
Holy shit. She literally has a magic watch that governs over time and she's the fucking Wolverine of Hololive. Seriously she had several dozen fatal injuries inflicted on her body and she's still alive and well despite all of that. You know why? Regenerative Healing Factor. Ame has the X-gene. She quite literally can't be killed unless you de-mutantize her or get an omega leval mutant to fry her brain. Not only that but she's also a detective who carries hundreds of years of knowledge, due to being timeless and the healing factor. So she is not only Wolverine but the Batman of Hololive too. Ame can definitely kill everyone in Dragon and Superhuman tier by rewinding time over & over and learn their weaknesses.
As for deities, easy shit.
>Grab a superenhanced nuke/laser cannon from cyberpunk future and fire it at the Moon. Moona is fucking dead.
>Fubuki and Mio, desecrate their shrines
>Miko is a priest, just take her by surprise
>Clip Kanata's wings before she can rise back to heaven
As for Mori and Kiara, I'm pretty sure she can find a way to kill them too. If not, that means Ame is on the same level as them.

>>1848342
Ina is constantly shitting on power level fags, making claims like "My tentacles are as weak as I am" and "AO-chan has no cool powers". She's unironically probably the weakest "mage-holo".
She can teleport through fridges though, so there's that thing to power wank.

>>1863923
As long as she holds on to this belief that she's human she won't be able to truly tap into the power that is beyond human.

Who is the Batman of Hololive Universe.

>>1863923
>Ina is inside your fridge right now

>>1863887
Ame has admitted multiple times that she's not very good at abusing time travel. She's just an idiot who's incredibly lucky/unlucky(?).

>>1863950
Ame.

>>1863950
Korone, she's always got some new prop to abuse listener-san with

>>1863950
Ame, she'll likely never come up with a consistent, definitive ruleset to her Time Travel powers so every fight argument would come down to "But if she had prep time"

>>1841661
If we include promotional stuff we see Haachama can just straight up blow up planets.

>>1864069
Holos were never really meant for power level arguments.

>>1863033
I know you said before that you can't tier Haachama since her lore is unfinished but even before her split personality arc, she canonically has crazy powers btw.

>Cast "Haachama Beam" (looks like it causes hallucinations, some think it's a form of local reality bending)
>Create massive numbers of clones of herself, at any size

These abilities are as canon as they can get. They have made appearances in both her channel AND Hologra:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afJEpNE-Al8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViX62UtybwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_9xsmRez4Y

There's also... THIS video posted on her official channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF8TesmjfTo

Oh, and there's also that time where she's shown to be able to destroy(?) the Earth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RhVyx1eW28

In conclusion, she's at least Superhuman level at the BARE MINIMUM.

>>1864195
>the haachama squad will never break into your house and blow the walls down with trumpets
Why even live

>>1863195
Whichever one, it was to attempt mock powerlevel fags anyway.

>>1864195
>Can destroy Earth
She's broken.

>>1864189
Never meant for serious powerlevel arguments

>>1864396
Serious power level argument is an oxymoron

>>1864195
I think she's fine in the lower end haachama tier, the real question is if she's even real or a collective delusion

>>1864189
>Holos were never really meant for power level arguments.
You think that'll stop people?
EVERYTHING turns into a powerlevel argument.
Fucking shonennigs have to bring that shit into everything and you can be sure there's plenty of those about here.

The strongest entity in any work of fiction is the owner of the property.
Cover owns hololive, so they're the strongest beings in the holoverse. They were powerful enough to banish Haachama, and they can banish your oshi too.

>>1864515
Even IF Haachama is a delusion, then that would mean it's Haato that causing everyone to have these delusions, since other hololive members react to her abilities appropriately (like in Hologra for example). If we are going to go that route, then she would still have the ability to control all five senses of anyone near her, making her basically Aizen.

And you know how freaking OP Aizen is? That's still Superhuman level at bare minimum in any way you look at it.

>>1864771
Jesus, comparing Haachama to Aizen is simultaneously genius and horrifying. Kyoka Suigetsu is out of control broken.

>>1864515
>I think she's fine in the lower end haachama tier
Put her above deity pussy.

>>1863887
Counterpoint: how do you erase something that never existed in the first place?

>>1865180
Choco hard counters chama by giving people meds

>>1864771
>>1864858
Aizen is just ridiculously broken, jesus christ. He was even able to fool Yhwach.

>>1860343
Shame she has basically permanent bags under her eyes cause she's a QT.

>>1865212
Only until the meds run out.

>>1864771
>>1864858
>>1865180
>>1865217
So what you're saying is that Haachama should be in Broken tier unironically?

>>1865180
Why do you think she never exists in the first place?

Regardless of what's delusion or not, we did indeed see the stitches on Haachama's neck where she may or may not have had her head severed and it was real enough to have Cover change the rules of engagement. We don't know what she's fully capable of.

>>1856799
I love those the most

>>1856799
>>1866854
The best part is that if you look at the character placements in that list seriously, it's actually accurate. Like, the holos are placed in order of strongest to weakness:

> Haachama (no need to explain)
> Nenechi (she has her insanely long transformation that she commented herself, making her most likely a super saiyan god ultra instinct or some shit)
> Watame (8 seconds respawn = better immortality than Kiara)
> Kiara (the virgin immortal phoenix)
etc. etc.

>>1839559
Onion
anyone who looks upon her starts to cry in fear

>>1863033
Why is Watame so low when she's literally immortal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mz1SUs1uMo

After Watame and Botan's Overcooked collab, she confirmed that Botan actually did eat her as she spoke about the river in the afterlife on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1306565212451950593

Botan also confirmed this in one of the her stream after the collab. https://youtu.be/ap6zAq1VBh0?t=1068

If Kiara's that high due to immortality then Watame should also be at least on-par (Watame's resurrection is technically better since Kiara needs more time to reborn from her ashes). You even said yourself that Kiara would die if she's eaten, but Watame has actually shown that being eaten doesn't affect her immortality. Doesn't that prove that Kiara and Watame's placement are wrong?

>>1867738
immortality isn't really great when you can still get easily restrained
Kiara can burn through most shit you use to trap her, but you can basically stuff Watame in a big enough box and unless she can manipulate her respawn spot you're done with her

>>1867738
I think despite having good respawn times, Watame's fighting ability is nigh zero. She trades offense for being really fluffy.

>>1868082
Never underestimate fluffiness

>>1841187
okay neptunia

What holos can escape the usual room?

>>1861772
Mori is about to enter the age range of peak fertility.

>>1839785
b-body count?

>>1869698
In the gorillions

>>1869179
Before she can return to reaping and bring death she needs use her assets to bring life.

>>1870059
She said herself in the last stream. "Who knew the grim reaper would be so good at supporting life?"

>>1870123
That's a poetic character arc right now; a reaper learning the value of life... by bringing life into this world herself.

>>1856799
Amazing

>>1839559
>1839559

Isn`t ina the pristess of the old-ones ?
if she could summon one she might beat anyone desu, even with kiara ressurection or mori "Plot armor"