/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>18882413
The only number I care about is the number of times I get to punch her in the gut

>>18882439
So zero

>>18882413
Everyday the orange woman becomes more and more respectable. I might even consider streaming sparks if she carries on like this

>>18882413
Thanks Sana

Losing to ina on everything while trying 3 times as hard helped her out in the long run. At least she has holotalk still because Ina seems to be more liked by every JP she collabs with.

>>18882439
or the number of times i get to hate pound her ass only to subhect myself to dumping a whole bottle of hand sanitizer on my dick to get the dirty kfp stench off

>>18882413
So she'd still be enthusiastic while streaming to 2 niggas?

the only number i care about is the number of children i'm gonna give her

>>18882413
As a former Chicken denier, it's good to finally see her do the stuff she does out of enjoyment rather than pointlessly chasing numbers. I still won't see her streams because her voice annoys the hell out of me, but at the very least I'll try to not close off collabs where she's in.

>>18882613
chasing numbers when she uses a voice that filters most people with ears was always a mistake.

>>18882413
lmao loser talk

once you hit a certain number you stop caring about numbers. this doesn't apply for 2views black companies.

>>18883113
kek, why did this post made me laugh so hard

>>18882413
she admits to be a loser then? good job ina

Kiara is a fucking sweetheart.

>>18883260
isn't ina above ame at this point

>>18883260
>not making gura short
You had one job.

I have literally never heard a good argument for why a streamer shouldn't be a numberfag.
There are good argument for why VIEWERS shouldn't be numberfags, but streamers? There are only incentives.

wtf I love numbers now

>>18883329
it's about sub count, anonchama. But in terms of CCV, Ina was always only second to the shark

>>18882413
kiara huffing copium.jpg

>>18883392
only female streamers have this kind of problem, they are mentally unstable. This is why StarsEN will be a success

>>18883524
You didn't even answer my question, also the NijiEN males are massive, open numberfags. (which is a good thing)

>>18882413
I wanna say "more like she gave up trying to stay ahead of Ina" but still I mean it's good for her to stop fretting over it regardless.

>>18883392
it depends on the numbers desu. and because chasing short term success can be less fun for themselves and then they will largely get fans that chase trends and it's possible that if they just no longer can put up with following the number trends and go back to streaming what they want they'll lose far more viewers than if they focused more on building a viewer base that likes what they want to stream.

Now if you're a streamer that is happy to just number chase all the time always than yeah go for it but if you're in a position to build a more dedicated base without doing that than it might not only be better for your mental but also long term financial

>>18882413
It's easy to get over her number addiction when she doesn't get number (relatively compared to her counterparts) to begin with...

>>18882413
Numberfags BTFO'd once again

>>18883835
Ina will kill the thread

>>18883650
Sure, but in the case of Kiara, the argument was always over the fact that she acknowledges that numbers exist at all.
In the realm of streaming, pretending that numbers aren't important is an act of pure and utter delusion. Streaming is LITERALLY numbers, numbers are what make streaming possible, the point of streaming is having people watch you. It's especially pronounced in the case of something like Hololive, where the talents actively take on expenses in the process of taking on new projects and acquiring promotions, sponsorships and merch.
Just accepting low numbers and not trying to get more is basically actively hampering your future prospects, if you just meagerly accept having a (relatively) smaller audience, you're liable to get less attention, less attention means less sponsorships, less sponsorships means less money, less connections in the business (Example: Music production), less online discussion, less everything.
IMO, Kiara's problem has never been numberfagging, but the fact that she acknowledges what causes her to get less numbers without actively trying to counter it. She should numberfag HARDER, not less. Regardless, even if she doesn't numberfag to fix such things, I fail to see why acknowledging that some streams/music do less well than others is somehow disrespectful or some kind of sin, it's just being open and honest.

>>18882439

>>18883392
Aiming for greatness is a basic requirement if you want to make it big. Letting it become an obsession will very often result with the opposite effect. Kiara was simply trying too hard. and maybe watching Pomu doing stupid shit that ended up being successful (relative to her fanbase size) played a role

>>18884275
don't know what this is but i'm 6'7 and jacked so i'd be the dude on the right

>>18884331
>Pomu
she doesn't need to look that far. Two of the most successful anti-numberfag chubas are her genmates.

"I DON'T CARE ABOUT NUMBERS" cried the chicken for the second time that week

>>18883392
Yes, nothing more fun than watching those twich subhumans that have their sub count on the stream, and screech their subs milestones every 6 minutes, "BROS, WE JUST HIT 9.985K SUBS, ONLY A FEW MORE AND WE'LL HIT 10K, THAT'D BE SUPER EPIC, THANKS BROS"

While holos don't do that, the pity talk they sometimes pull is equally bad, thank god Kiara cut with that shit out.

>>18884367
Kill yourself, tranny.

>>18884503
>Two of the most successful anti-numberfag chubas are her genmates.
You can be successful and not a numberfag. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be a numberfag anyways, Gura and Amelia's successes aren't based on whether they are or are not numberfags. And if they did numberfag there'd be nothing wrong with it, in fact it'd be a good thing.
In fact, if you aren't as successful, there's even MORE reason to a numberfag, as you're already at a disadvantage, you should try everything in your power (as long as it's not unethical or immoral obviously) to try and rise up from your current position.
The idea that if you're not as (relatively speaking) successful, you should just accept it and be content with the size of your current audience is insane. NOT being a numberfag won't make you more successful.

>>18882474
I finally took the plunge and streamed sparks recently. She wasn't kidding, it really does sound like twerking music.

Orange has gotten so much more enjoyable to watch these days now that she's clearly not paranoid or insecure about something.

>>18882474
The phoenix will rise from her grave and the world will see she was right.

Saying something doesn't make it true.

The orange woman is almost as schizo as her fans.

>>18884503
True, but it's hard to believe she didn't notice beforehand if this was the case, especially when you consider she was going the extra mile to keep up with Ina of all people.
灯台下暗し and all that jazz

>>18882613
This.
She is like a rich guy who says money isn't all that important.

>>18884834
until that monopoly collab, and her schizo side showed again

>>18884869
KFP are still not as schizo as (you) though...

>>18883392
I've literally never heard a good argument for why a streamer should be a numberfag.
>>18883611
>a good thing
only for you faggots who can't get off without more numbers on screen.
>>18883453
more like
>numberfagging anons huffing (c)opium with their big gulp full of lean
>>18884232
you are mentally ill. take your meds.
>>18884869
then why do you keep saying untrue things in hopes of them turning true, faggot?

>>18885253
Sure buddy. I'm sure you got some cult credits for defending your gang.

>>18885134
Schizo. That's monopoly unless you are a loser and like to lose. You want to win and you do what you have to do.

>>18887298
uhm anonchama, the other two loses too you know.

My oshi loves Kiara now so maybe I’ll give her another shot

>>18882413
People is going to ignore that she is 1st or 2nd on sc on EN or she has a lot of sponsored streams?

>>18882613
She's not Temma. That guy is a real trooper, he would stream to 10 people forever and never give up. She's doing so well compared to several others in the same company as her, so it's good that she gains some perspective, but she doest sound like a rich person who doesn't realize how good they have it.

>>18884232
Nothing of this applies to a company like hololive. As an Holo you get more than enough guaranteed viewers, your merch gets sold out (yes, for unpopular ones too) the company gets you the sponsors and they make sure to be deals between popular and less popular Holos, the music producers connections also run through management...
The only thing that gets your numberfagging greediness as an Holo is more tourists in exchange of compromising what you want to do as an streamer.

>>18883392
I wouldn't say they shouldn't be numberfag, but being one for streamers is double edge sword. If they end up too focused on numbers they just gonna hurt themselves. They gonna look like beggars not like entertainers. On other hand they totally should acknowledge numbers just so they can ask themselves the question "What can I do to make more people watch me?".

>>18883260
Funny thing is Kiara looks like the only one that's actually having fun there, while the others are all varying degrees of "my feet hurt..." and "ugh I rather not be here...", now draw the parallels to their respective love and commitment for Hololive

>>18888248
>Nothing of this applies to a company like hololive.
You are unbelievably naive.

>>18888012
>now
who is your oshi?

>>18884768
>While holos don't do that
You must be new, or only watch EN (most of whom do indeed act too cool and detached as if they're above caring about numbers etc., so Kiara can stick out negatively because she's one of the few that at least acknowledges them), because in HoloJP that has been a long tradition. There have been many "XYZ-k celebration streams", or even "stream until XYZ-k !!!" streams (usually marathon karaoke) that start before the goal is hit so they are basically functionally the same as the sub-athon begging shit on twitch you so abhor - but I guess it's okay because you are either too new to know that (they used to do this alot more back in years past when they were smaller and every few tenthousands of sub increase actually meant a lot), or don't know japanese so you don't realize it's just as blatant as the twitch shit in english that you can actually understand, or you think there's a qualitative difference "well, when Hololive does it then it's okay..."

>>18888446
>their respective love and commitment for Hololive
what's your rank on this?
Kiara
Gura
Ame
Ina
Mori

>>18888831
sub countdowns on youtube are very different than sub things on twitch since subcount on twitch is constantly decreasing as they lapse and people then have to be buying or gifting new subs to make up for those and to try to "push" to a new higher number. Subs on youtube are rarely pruned and the streamers can expect based on growth rates when they should be hit one and just set up those celebration streams as a fun activity to generally zatsudon and sing. The main numberchasing there is superchats since the celebration streams usually result in a bunch of scs being thrown

it's just generally very different sort of vibes.

>>18883436
cunny bonus

>>18888927
Gura is probably outside that ranking because she really doesn't care.. Or she cares but only she cares that she wishes her number were lower.

I have and will always support tenchou. She's the only one who gives a damn about hololiving and puts a lot of effort in her activities. She should move back to Japan to show off her idol moves in 3D.

>>18889928
Meds

Feels weird seeing that Kiara has objectively the lowest numbers. I always feel like Ina is the one no-one gives a shit about.

>>18882413
Her reason to be numberfag was others hitting 1M
Of course there is no reason to be numberfag now when all but one struggle to even hitting 2M

>>18889928
Oh you have no idea she advertises Hololive member and other events on her stream because you don't watch her

>>18882413
Nice, I'm happy for her growth. Now get rid of that fucking voice

>>18882413
Isn't this just her finishing the 5 stages of depression for her numbers? She's finally at the Acceptance stage.

>>18894702
yeah, she accepted that she's the weakest link out of myth

>>18895025
>weakest link out of myth
We are not talking about Mori here

>>18894203
who cares for what actually happens, those lists are so you can place your oshi at the top and the one you dislike (or Mori, for easy agreement) at the bottom

Now she needs to host an intervention for Mori l whose currently suffering the same addiction

>>18895635
Mori would flip out, acknowledge nothing, and next within a week make talk in her roomate account about how a former friend is all jealous of her and tried to talk her out of being succesful.

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>>18895796
It's so sad that you can't know if this is an antipost or a prophecy.

>>18882413
>Former numberfag
just because Sana exist

>>18895388
yeah right

>>18888927
personally I rate them something like this

>Kiara
duh, she ticks all the boxes in that she is both knowledgeable about and full of love for Hololive (has been a fan before) AND the commitment and workrate she puts into streaming is beyond reproach, plus how appreciative she is of her fans.
>Ame
also loves Hololive very much, and has put effort into special projects to further and enhance the place (that some of them fall victim to her getting bored/burned out quickly is another personal matter).
>Gura
She likes Hololive as a group, and being part of it, not just but also because it gives her some sort of structure to orientate instead of the aimless drifting alone she did before. Commitment/workrate/appreciation may not be the highest, but it's at least decently average and not the worst either
>Ina
Well, she doesn't hate Hololive or anything, quite the opposite, but she has her other job and is willing to put Hololive aside if her other job demands it from time to time. I'm not even saying this is a "bad" thing from her perspective, I can understand it even if I may not agree, and she's not mean-spirited about it
>Mori
well what can ya say. Let's call it inconsistent. She can be good sometimes when she cares, and abysmal when she doesn't. She has put out a lot of music "for" Hololive, though you can argue it was not "just" out of pure love for the group but also to further her own brand, as she's the most likely to ditch eventually, given her own actions (bitching about the job, also on the roommate acc, trying to have an active double career, arguably to siphon fans when she ultimately leaves) and has the most "cultural incompatibility" issues with the whole japanese idol corpo thing, given for example how she wants to hang out with her favorite twitch ecelebs (and if she can't bring them into Hololive, she's going to leave Hololive instead).

I leave the ratings for the Council girls to anons who watch them more, I only say I know at least who I'd put last there...

>>18897720
I like how the work input into Hololive becomes 'yeah, but she's also furthering her own brand' when it's Mori as if the work Kiara or Ame put into their projects somehow don't further their own brands

>>18897997
Gura is probably a better example than Kiara, her roomate is a cosplayer, unless she transitions to full time streamer then it doesn't really carry over that well.

>>18897997
Ame doesn't really have an active roommate career, and there are no serious signs of her starting one again as a ramp-off / golden parachute for when she drops Hololive. If she began regular streaming on an alt again or producing her own music or selling her own merch away from the company to siphon off fans there might be an argument, so far there is none.

Kiara's roommate career is dormant and there's not really serious recent signs of her revving it up again or trying to actively double-dip and multi-track drift in preparation for an eventual Holo exit. If there'd be more roomie streams or she'd be putting music/merch out as herself instead of Hololive (and most telling - if she'd de-prioritize Holo streams for roommate business), then yes, you'd have an argument that she's doing the same as Mori and in reasonable danger of leaving Holo to go back to doing whatever (trying to be an rl idol again? cosplayer? vlogger?) with her amassed popularity, but yeah so far only Mori really is the most blatant and active about this whole thing (well, besides the illustrators, Ina and Sana, and they were already professionals before) so it's not unreasonable to assume there's at least a method and a strategy behind it. I don't even disagree with her from a personal business perspective it makes sense for her (even though it's not my preference as a Hololive fan, and not a fan of Mori) to use that built up clout and fanbase and try to transfer it into the personal projects and things she'd rather wanna do, for example "be herself" as the DDK musician and be free to enter her favorite twitch cliques or whatever

>>18899049
yeah man, Mori does all that extra work to build personal clout, you're right, graduation any moment

>>18899423
I mean, Anon, think about Mori before season 2. When 5% of her time was spent in Hololive. Or her explicitly saying she (at least initially) had no interest or knowledge in any of this.Or that she auditioned "as a joke". Even if she starts putting more effort later, there's a precedent that makes people raise an eyebrow when she does something.

>>18899728
quoting literal shitposts forged around twisting her words sure helps your point, really

>>18899772
It's what she said cuckbeat, you can present it in a more positive or a more negative light but in the end it really doesn't matter. The fact is that she had little interest or knowhow about vtubing when she started, and still mostly worked on things unrelated to Hololive. Still having a fuckton of free time, mind you, which only much, much later did she actually start to dedicate to her job.

>>18899974
and now attacking the fanbase
how easy they reveal themselves in the end

>>18900064
How did I attack the fanbase? By calling you a cuckbeat? Grow a fucking pair.

>>18883392
Stfu Kiara, the problem is you couldn't keep it to urself

>>18899423
>yeah man, Mori does all that extra work to build personal clout
uh, yes? Again, there's no need to be so credulous, I even agreed that it makes sense for her from a personal business perspective at least. Barring the illustrator girls, she DOES have the most active roommate career (certainly much more active than Kiara and Ame, the girls you tried to bring into this as counter-arguments to.. what?) and has recently been making more moves to revv it up even further, what with having roommate streams and planning on more in the future, selling merch, continuing to produce roommate music, and being the most outspoken about her let's say "frustrations" with the "job" and what she'd rather do.

And it's not hard to argue that the "using Hololive to build personal clout" strategy isn't working (we can disagree about how it's a good thing or a bad thing for Hololive, but we will certainly not disagree that it is a thing that is happening). Her recent roommate stream during the "drama" got 5 figure ccvs (and would you look at that, conveniently she also had new merch and music to shill, and memberships came rolling in, sasuga), of course that has everything to do with the popularity and audience she got through Hololive, because before that when she was just a random niche bedroom artist only a hundred people or so would care and come to watch live. All those people are there now to watch (the person behind) "Mori Calliope" the 2mil subs vtuber from the popular agency Hololive. Same with those ecelebs into whose circles she's now admitted, they mostly only care for her insofar as she can now bring clout and eyeballs with her whereas before she was just an insigificant rando, not worthy of their attention

>>18883392
You know, it's funny, the clip from the OP is literally Kiara giving an argument against streamers being numberfags. A lot of moments and tangents of the stream its from were too.

>>18900860
>Same with those ecelebs into whose circles she's now admitted, they mostly only care for her insofar as she can now bring clout and eyeballs with her whereas before she was just an insigificant rando, not worthy of their attention
You're trying to spin this into a bad thing, but those "circles" are business circles. Of course you're not gonna pick some random hobo for a business partnership, that'd be stupid. Mori is the same way, the only time she's ever really "collabed down", so to speak, was with her best friend IRL.

>>18901021
I already said every time that it makes sense from her personal business perspective. I think we can at least move on from pretending "n-no this is not actually happening at all" to admitting that, yes, this is indeed a thing that is happening and deliberate, and we may then disagree about how/if it is a good thing or a bad thing for her / for Hololive