/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I haven't talked to a female that isn't related to me or for work in 16 years and I have never donated a dime despite watching thousands of hours of vtuber streams.

>Ethical business
Rumao

>>20086251
>Business
>Ethical
Choose one, faggot

who cares im not a retard so it doesnt effect me. same with alcohol. if you're dumb enough to waste your life drinking yourself to death, or trying to get an anime girls attention with your wallet when you could just buy a prostitute then that's your fault

>>20086251
Only the Trinity of Ina, Watson, and Gura are ethical since they don't bait SC that much, or even at all

>>20086251
No it isn’t. But you’re asking this question in the wrong place, this board is full of simps who will defend their favorite to death

take your meds, all of you.

>>20086542
>>20086700
tankies gtfo

Yes. It's your responsibility to not be a mentally ill fuckwad who falls for scams/drug addictions/extremely obvious lies (DYRB).

>>20086251
You have to extend this question to streaming in its entirety, as it's inherently parasocial.

>>20086251
it's as ethical as the fans lets decide honey... shitty as they are, the world needs unethical stuff as well. and this is way better ethically than many other things. one easily comparable industry are twitch thots.

>>20086251
It's about as unethical as gacha, so yes, it is unethical.
The real question is why we should care about the retards that are stupid enough to waste their money on unhealthy forms of entertainment.

Streaming as a whole is unethical. Twitch has site mechanics where you are pressured into donating or subbing to get exclusive emotes. Higher tiers of membership would not be an option if these corporations were worried about the well being of the userbase.

Yagoo gonna make a gachikoi recovery center! For "Free"

>>20088352
>>20089741
>>20091021
So you think that if people get sucked in it's their fault and no blame whatsoever lies with the people profiting from their misery?

>>20086792
They still cash those checks.

>>20092620
Yes
I would do the same if I was in their position. Retards deserve to get exploited. Just stop being retarded, it's not hard.

> pay money to actor on screen
> have less money
> the business stole my money and is wholly unethical!

>>20088424

>>20086251
>As much fun as vtubers are, is this shit ethical?

Its extremely ethical, stealing money from depressed losers should be encouraged by our society.

>>20086251
Depends on how you do it and your target audience. You'd probably be surprised how many whales can comfortably afford their vtuber spending though, either because they're rich or are guys with well paying jobs and no commitments.

Yes.

>>20088424
The word 'parasocial' has been warped to mean 'you fervently believe this streamer is your friend/gf' when for starters I'd wager almost nobody actually believes that for real, they just like someone and treats them like an interactive form of an anime waifu, that's the big appeal of vtubers really. They don't all have to be waifus, but some are. Overall 'parasocial' is a very broad term that simply means the other person is unaware of you. You can be parasocial for actors, sports teams etc, it's literally anyone you like and think of in deeper dimensions than you would a stranger but without them knowing you at all.

If anything, vtubers are slightly piercing the actual complete wall of parasocial that would come from say having a crush on on actor where they are completely ignorant of your existence, in that they do talk to chat as a kind of homogenous entity and do react with the audience and are often shaped by it collectively.

At the end of the day I think a large part of the monetization of vtubers isn't actually "hurr parasocial" it's because it's just a group/herd mentality, the "everyone's doing it" kind of thing encouraging individuals to become more uninhibited with their feelings (and wallets). When Mori's SCs first opened up and she reacted strongly to them people had fucking 'contests' trying to out-donate each other based on country etc. It was nuts. There are also some people to whom SC money amounts are truly insignificant and if they're bored/interested enough they'll throw 50-100 around like it's nothing - the couple oil barons out there normalize the perception of yes this really can happen, and helps build the peer environment expectations. It then gets sustained by others for whom 50 would actually be a lot but they just don't actually say that because they wanna be cool like the oil barons, etc.

>>20094944
As in any job, NEET anon

>>20086251
>As much fun as vtubers are, is this shit ethical?
If taking advantage of socially inept men with no romantic lives is unethical then yes it is.

>>20086792
Are there any other vtubers that seem like they do it just for fun and not solely for the money?

>>20105304
Yes, they haven't been bullied enough. We have to take away their toys at all times! No fun allowed!
t. society

>>20105392
Tons of indies are like that, most of them actually because they didn't have expectations of going into this for money (some are pure tryhard shitters trying to make this their 'career' from the start however like bao).

The thing is, if indies start to get a flow of money coming in and this does actually become their main income source, they may switch gears to try to more carefully maintain their image to make sure this flow doesn't cut suddenly because it's actually important now how they act/present themselves. I'd analogize it to how if you were working at McDonald's as a teen, you probably didn't actually give a shit about that as a job and just wanted some pocket money to buy an Xbox or GPU or something with. If you make it into a big important company and start making six figs, you suddenly give a shit and do whatever it takes to hold the job.

>>20086251

>>20092620
>>20086251
Be a fucking adult.
Stop expecting the government to babysit your shit.
Fuck you.

>>20086251
no more then any vice

>>20086251
bish do u ecxpec me to red all tha?

>>20086251
This argument could be used for any and all streamers. If you’re retarded enough to fall down the parasocial relationship rabbit hole then it’s on you. My oshi is Marine and I haven’t given her a penny of my own while still being able to watch all her streams. I don’t give a single fuck about being a member either. Also vtubers != Hololive. Holos are larping as idols so they’re expected to be cranking the lovey-dovey bullshit to a maximum. The NijiEN girls, while still having simps, don’t do it nearly as much. Vshojo have stopped pretending. Vtubers are women on the internet so there’s no way for them to never have simps no matter what they do.

>>20105392
I think most of the big vtubers wouldn’t be doing it if they didn’t have fun with it anymore. Most have made their money already and could move on to other things, or their content would suffer if they didn’t like what they were doing (See shion a few months back, Sana, etc.).

>>20086251
Feels like you're talking about GFE and not really about vtubing. In that case, the girls would obviously disagree since it's soooo profitable for it to not be true... but no. It's not ethical.
Tricking people into thinking it's in any way normal to give money to make-believe girlfriend content is not okay. That shit is not normal nor necessary at any point no matter how messed up your life is. Worst part is, they know this doesn't really help your situation (assuming you're fucked up enough to consume this crap) yet they still do it.