/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

They carry the brand and they're the only reason why they're even relevant in this shitty industry.

>>20484784
/thread

>>20484718
I'm going to have sex with all of Holomyth and Holocouncil while they speak English to me.

>>20484718
rrat: cover is doing stuff but giving all the credit to ame to prop her up, because why not.

Based. EN management got lucky with hiring Ame who spearheaded most of the creative projects and picked up their slack. It's a shame Council can't be fucked to stream let alone come up with engaging projects.

>>20484878
She sure as shit has nothing else going

>>20484718
>their most successful spinoff branch by far.
KEK. Myth is THE most successful generation of Hololive.
Now that sanshitseki lost Rushia

>>20484878
If they were doing that, they should toss some out to council.

None of the Council girls have anything notable to contribute overall to hololive outside of streaming to their own communities.

This also applies to a good chunk of their JP talents, but at least they're still marketable in Japan.

>>20485011
Trying too hard now

>>20484718
Nobody asked ENshart, wrong hobby.

HoloEN was supposed to be a meme you fucks, what the fuck did you fuckers wanted them to do with a meme branch?

And what has Council managed to accomplish besides effectively dropping a member due to laziness? I guess they did a genderbender thing. And then there's Floprys. Face it, EN is Myth.

>>20484947
>>20485598
>>20486313
obsessed

>>20485818
Cope
>Gen0
Only Miko and Suisex get viewership, rest are 2view tier
>gen1
Only Fubuki is relevant, Haachama dead after committing self-sabotage, rest are 2view tier
>Gen 2
Only duck and Aqua are relevant. Ayame and Shion barely stream.
>Gen 3
Only Peko and Noel stay relevant, Marine barely streams, nigger elf carried by her gen
>Gen 4
Crash and burned after Coco graduated, Towa never relevant after the male voice incent, rest are barely relevant
>Gen 5
Only Botan is relevant, Lamy Nene mild relevancy over SCs milking, Polka carried by her gen
>Gen 6
Only Laplus and Orca are relevant

Myth is the only gen who's all members maintain high steady viewership and income.

>>20484718
>>20487416
Why are nichinkniggers like this?

>>20484718
It's the power of
V N I T Y

>>20487416
Got to love how these always forget Hololive Gamers, the real MVPs of Hololive.

>>20484718
>Make an sidebranch to see how good the EN market is
>expect nothing from it, pretty much ID2.0
SUDDENLY
>fastest growing Vtuber Gen in history
>most suscribed Vtuber in history
>top billboards and Itunes song sales
>global hype
>cement their name as the most important copany in the western Vtuber scene
>merch goes out in less than an hour
>one of the most sold nendos in 2021
>all of this with 0 investment (they didn't even give a spare pc or even a mic to kiara when she started)
They have CERO REASON to invest in them, they print money for them for free, EN is Cover's GTA5 or Skyrim

>>20484718
Can't wait for all of them to graduate so i can support them without giving money to the retards in management

Why are holocultists like this?

>5 months ago
>3D debut soon!
>delayed due to covid when they could just do it remotely
>fast forward to today
>It's holofes and suddenly doing it remotely is fair game because it'll make Cover rich now
They just lied to us back then, didn't they? They always wanted to charge extra for exclusitivity and knew Holofes was the most profitable way of doing it.

>>20486658
I know you're a schizo, but honest question: What has council done so far? Name literally anything.

>>20488805
>CERO
hola

>>20486313
Council isn't bad as solo streamers but as gen they do lack a bit

>>20490595
fauna's sultry asmr voice and bae's midriff made me hard
I uuuhhh
I don't remember anyone else

>>20487416
Based but rude.

>>20484718
lmao.
EN will forever be a side branch, want to know why? Because their business influence is minuscule compared to JP.
Just look at the wave of sponsorships for ENs from brands compared to JPs. Most of the sponsorships for EN are pretty much game/anime focus with the only exception is Gura's Taco Bell. Any companies that aren't located in Japan don't want to get anime girls as their brand ambassadors and majorities JP companies don't give a shit about EN because none of their customers watch holo. Xbox only responds to Gura's tweet because their media guy is a weeb.
Just look at pic-related. Gura and Mori, 2 biggest EN got a promo for Scarlet Nexus, a dead game for Xbox, meanwhile, JP got racing sponsorships, national baseball league, Yamaha instruments, interviewing Hollywood stars, fucking Square Enix, Nissin, card games, gacha games, supermarket promotions every two months or so.
On a pure business sense, EN doesn't even bring that much money on the SC side compared to JP, much less the brand images and promotions, and sponsorships.
Why bother wasting money on something that doesn't bring profit while the branch is perfectly sustainable on its own.

>>20491663
Investment for the future? Something of a long-shot, cause you're right that japan's culture differs from the west in how mainstream cute characters are. That said, if it's popular in japan, there's no reason why it couldn't be in the west, too - unless you wanted to argue there's some biologically innate difference leading to that cultural difference. This means that cover has the chance to be the first company to tap into this in the west and if successful, the potential is immense. Gura and her insane popularity is just one piece of evidence for this.

>>20492162
>That said, if it's popular in japan, there's no reason why it couldn't be in the west, too - unless you wanted to argue there's some biologically innate difference leading to that cultural difference.
You don't mean an inherent antagonistic attitude against anything Japanese in culture in the West. Hell, anime/manga nerds are its own corner where a large number of fags from vidya nerds, /tg/ nergs to film nerds despise anything anime, including vtubers. Most Twitch fleshbags hated anything anime/vtuber.
There is an entire decade of the 2010 where any vidya from Japan is considered trash by normies. You think any actual companies in the West would actively pay Cover to have holoEN for promotions? Fucking Walmart? IKEA? Those are the level of brands JP got to invited and worked with.
There is a whole bunch of genre and cultural differences that companies in the West just aren't willing to take because the stigma anime and its consumers have. Anime has been popular here since the fucking 90s. nearly 3 decades later and the mainstream pop culture still derides anything that isn't stock shounen or Ghibli films. You think Holo's designs which appealed to moe and LN/eroge/ecchi manga would sell?
You have better luck doing that in Mexico or France than in US.

>>20484991
seethe, retard

>>20492539
way to ignore that weeb shit has been booming lately

>>20487416
>Myth is the only gen who's all members maintain high steady viewership and income.
Gamers

>>20492700
within a niche otaku and gaming circle. Even games promoted with Vtuber are mostly anime adjacent ones like Scarlet Nexus or Tales of.
You'd have to be insane to think the NFL or NBA will have their promotion with anime girls while that is the level JP brand is at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04MrPb_Ub7c

>>20490730
The question was "council" as in all of it.

>>20484718
>Holo EN is highly autonomous
>OP is shocked when Holo EN uses their autonomy to do things on their own
Holy shit stop the presses

>>20484718
>>Alternate 2D outfits, of which Gura's was horribly rigged
>>The worst mixed Country Roads cover ever made
>>The worst mixed 12 Days of Christmas cover ever made
>>Ochame Kinou
>>Attentionwhore tranny management character
the only ones you got a case on is with the shitty country roads mix, and the gura hole

>>20487907
They are shit now (except Mio)

>>20493116
The point is that's not a lot of support.

>>20492539
>There is an entire decade of the 2010 where any vidya from Japan is considered trash by normies.
Tbf, that was because JP games were pretty trash for a couple of years and western indie games blew up and had a couple of great games for a while.

>You don't mean an inherent antagonistic attitude against anything Japanese in culture in the West. Hell, anime/manga nerds are its own corner where a large number of fags from vidya nerds, /tg/ nergs to film nerds despise anything anime, including vtubers. Most Twitch fleshbags hated anything anime/vtuber.
My guess is that these are mostly leftists and trannies. Twitch is literally run by trannies, as are traditional game spaces, comics, etc. Feminsts hate anime cause they're jealous of fictional characters getting more attention than their miserable, unlovable selves. The male feminists are virtue signalling cause getting into the pants of the previous is their only chance of no longer being virgins. The trannies want to be catgirls and become homicidal once they realize they never will, so they turn jealous at all the fictional characters they wanted to be just a little earlier.

These people dominate any space that gets exposure, so they seem like the majority. In reality, they're a little cult. The sales of manga in the west, the size of western anime fandom and Gura's success show that there's a decent amount of love for it in the west even now, when the concept is still not mainstream.

>You think any actual companies in the West would actively pay Cover to have holoEN for promotions? Fucking Walmart? IKEA? Those are the level of brands JP got to invited and worked with.
Once the feminists die childless and the male feminists and trannies kill themselves, I could see that. Western culture is still some ways away from that, but I don't see any reason to rule it out happening in the future and, if cover manages to be the company at the forefront of that push at the moment when it breaks through into the mainstream, they will be the ones calling the shots.

>There is a whole bunch of genre and cultural differences that companies in the West just aren't willing to take because the stigma anime and its consumers have. Anime has been popular here since the fucking 90s. nearly 3 decades later and the mainstream pop culture still derides anything that isn't stock shounen or Ghibli films. You think Holo's designs which appealed to moe and LN/eroge/ecchi manga would sell? You have better luck doing that in Mexico or France than in US.
For sure there are differences. Then again, when something becomes common and accepted among younger generations, it will likely become mainstream once that generation has grown to become the adults. We still have boomers and older generations. If you grew up with anime as a normal thing because you were 10 when the 90s just began, you'd be 42 now. That's a lot of years after of people to whom anime is either nonexistent or some fucked up eastern media. Once those people slowly die off, culture will shift somewhat. Again we can see some evidence of this with random normie celebrities like Bill Burr talking about watching anime like One Punch Man, not just Ghibli.

>>20484718
>The worst mixed Country Roads cover ever made

Fuck coutry roads, though. I'm sick of it.

>>20493213
i hate how i knew country roads from mootykins.swf, not fucking fallout

>>20491663
>Why bother wasting money on something that doesn't bring profit while the branch is perfectly sustainable on its own.
Because its their fucking job to do it anyway, what good is management if they don't support all of the branches. Hell, even ID and stars deserve something.

Get off your ass Yagoo and do more.

>>20490576
Makes sense.

>>20484718
If those whores are so good, they should quit using Cover brands, stop leeching off what their senpai build up, graduate and doi g something on their own, not worrying about sharing their money

>>20484784
Niji reject?

>>20493271
>Because its their fucking job to do it anyway,
Stars had marketable values as their images can still be used. ID and EN less so. A business's goal is always to bring revenues and profits, any ethical values or sentimental reasons are just bonuses.
Their job is to get as much money as possible and JP just brought the most, SC and merch and sponsors wise. The opportunity cost of investing more for JP and getting back more stable and secured profits compared to wasting money putting EN in Japan (which doesn't work because nips are horrible at Japanese and most potential fans already spoilt for choices) while English speaking market is hostile to most things moe/anime girls related as I explained here>>20492539. Unless the cultural inherent antagonistic attitude to anime and specifically moe stuff is changed, which I doubted would even happen in 20 years, it's a waste of time and money compared to putting an appropriate amount of investment to appease existing fans and for the niche market in the West.

>>20493271
>more
okay we stuck a buttplug up mori's ass, happy?

>>20493628
Fire Mori, then I'll be happy.

>>20484718
Ive been saying this for so long, they literally don’t do shit for EN outside of selling dollar store trinkets as merch for them. Same goes for ID, only ones who get the full benefit as an idol is the JP branch and that’s why they have so much stream variety. I don’t blame any of the branches, I blame cover’s poor management, shit load of income and all you can muster up is a little keychain and body pillow on birthdays.

>>20496401
>I blame cover’s poor management, shit load of income and all you can muster up is a little keychain and body pillow on birthdays.
Maybe when EN or ID can bring as much money as JP. Glad my oshi isn't a side branch like you nigga's lmao

>>20491663
You only get back on what you risk the investment on and that’s the literal problem retard. Cover gives EN the bare minimum asset wise and expect the same results.

>>20496563
>get back on what you risk the investment on
There is taking a reasonable risk and there is wasting money. SC doesn't mean shit on a corporate scale and even then, JP 's still raking in more than EN.
Now on the sponsorships levels, there is little to none opportunities for EN to work with companies centered in the West and Japan companies are spoilt for choices when it comes to chuuba to work with. Gura is the peak of EN and the most exposure she got was a flash in the pan, barely matter Taco Bell while a low-mid tier JP like Luna got a sponsorship from fucking Yamaha, it's just not worth putting money into a market that lacks growth like the West beyond doing the bare minimum. Hell, we got a fucking thread begging for pirating leak for Holofes in the catalog right now, you think with that attitude would they bother doing more for EN?
https://jp.yamaha.com/products/contents/streaming/interview03_en/index.html

>>20484718
All the things they've achieved by themselves, most of those became possible thanks to Watson and her tech wizardry. She truly the most valuable in EN considering how much she contributes behind the screen

>>20490576
I honestly think there was a retarded amount of "any minute now" going on with them thinking covid restrictions would lift and they could get the girls into their own studio. Probably also why fes was pushed back to March as well. They were just hoping restrictions would lift. Of course when they finally conceded they would have to find another way, they decided to make it for fes because there's more money in doing it that way. That said, I think they'll probably roll them out in the free portions anyway. They won't tell us that in advance because it's better for sales this way.

>>20484718
Everything good was done by fans. We love our girls.

>>20496914
Isn’t sponsorships all on management and the talent though?

>>20498416
For what Kiara said, there are sponsorships is the company just want hololive to participate but doesn't name which talent, those are open for anyone that is interested, and sometimes management secured the slot for the talents. Another one is the sponsorship company named who they want to collab. Take Blue Archive for example, at first Nexon did not say who in EN to participate, so the management gave the chance to Council, after a few months, Nexon was happy about the sponsorship and this time, asked Gura and Kiara to do sponsored stream for them.

>>20498707
I see, thanks this is new information to me

>>20496914
EN is global market. Too bad twitch has the go to platform for streaming. If youtube can somehow do a 1up then maybe more sponsorship will follow through. But I bet being in bad terms with the chinks kinda hurts them considering chinks companies out of western ones cares about vtubers in the global market.

>>20484784
do holokeks really?

>>20490576
>flashback to holofes1
>flare 3d before 3d debut

>>20484878
Ame has talked about cover involvement in her projects were there is.
No she doesn't do everything by her self and never has pretended to do so.
Cover has helped with some stuff, though not a lot

>>20484718
good, those shitstains deserve less than nothing, and should know their place

>>20487416
>>Gen 4
>Crash and burned after Coco graduated, Towa never relevant after the male voice incent, rest are barely relevant
I beg to differ as Sheep is still around.

>>20496914
It's not a problem of lacking growth but a problem of Cover thinking sponsorships and companies run the same as in Japan.

Gura and the rest of EN are seen by companies as part of JP because no one at cover reached out towards any western game developers or companies for sponsors for them. Because of this they can really only get that from Japan like the JP branch, but they don't speak Japanese fluently besides like two members and they stream to Western viewers so there is no way for them to get the benefits.

Had Cover had an actual head manager with business sense they would of either reached out to Western companies to get a foot in the door and probably had them debut on Twitch which is where all the sponsors and bulk of the CCV are.

This isn't them deciding not to take a bad risk. This is them not actually studying the market and just throwing a gen to get some easy money and writing it off as not worth cultivating further.

>>20490595
Bae collab with homostar , she's become the embodiment of Unity between hololive and homostar

Ame would fit better in Nijisanji...

>>20484784
fpbp

>>20491663
This. Gura could have 10 million subs and it wouldn't do a damn thing to change the overall irrelevance of EN on a corporate scale.

>>20487416
Orca gets lower viewership than Koyo at this point

>>20517720
She loves Hololive more than anything, cope and seethe nijinigger

Vtubing outside of Japan was a mistake.

>>20484718
>The worst mixed 12 Days of Christmas cover ever made
Wasn't 12 Days of Christmas Kiara's idea?

>>20516783
I don't think I've ever seen western corporations pander to Otaku and I sure as hell doubt we'll see it anytime soon. Not as long as Hollywood exists. They wouldn't sponsor "the weebs" when doing so will thoroughly alienate their customer-base.

>>20496563
> expect the same results

No, no they don't. Japanese companies are famous for giving fuck all about foreign audiences. They're happy to make easy money from weebs, sure, but they do not give a fuck about foreign markets.

Look at Sony holding their best electronics for the domestic market, look at Anime productions not requiring faithful overseas translations (and when foreign hentai threatened their own market through reimportation, they axed that shit fucking quick). Look how quick Cover dumped their CN branch for being a pain in the ass to lick Xi's balls all the time, missing out on, what, like a billion potential simps?

Even Mori talked about how little support they get from the mother company.

>>20484718
I would add, Irys role as a Vsinger was just a joke since she didnt get a 3D model Asap and even Azki doesnt want that title anymore.
Also....Holo EN should start singing in english. Kronii´s song is so bad that even finana destroyed her.

The more I see them doing scuffed 3D live streams without much support from corporate the more I appreciate Ame for the burden she has voluntarily undertaken.

>>20491663
yeah let's ignore
-JP membership costing only $3.3 a month
-YouTube premium revenue, which is concentrated in EN audiences
-nobody watches JP vods, thus they only make money from pre-roll ads

also do your #thread reps for more info about EN sponsorships. you would be surprised how many have Myth recieved.

>>20487416
>leaves out gamers

>>20484836
>anon finally achieves his dream
>Fucking his way through the girls
>And then, it happens...
>Kiara loses focus and begins rambling in German Anon accidentally dicks her English speaking skills out of her.

>>20490595
They're better collab partners for HoloMyth than HoloMyth is with each other.

>>20491663
Good points, the market for anime girls is just bigger in Japan so they can integrate into normal society more easily.

>>20484784
Delusional

>>20484718
You're going to be shocked when it turns out management is the one who comes up with the ideas and then attributes the ideas to Ame as part of the marketing gimmick, since she has no other easily marketable talent.

Somebody already tried that bait in this thread, anon. You're gonna have to bring something else.

>>20529062
>It all falls apart after this.
> Mori grunts in Jojo italian
> Kronii keeps saying something about buta no watashi and clowns
> Ina WAHs as she comes
> From this point on, anon is called an ESL whenever he posts.