/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2299942
She wouldn't want you to call her older sister a roostie OP

>>2299942
Too based

>>2299942
My personal rrat, but I feel like she's getting more and more concious about her english. Now that there are holos who actually speak english and other holos did some reps to understand some basic stuff her english doesn't look all that special anymore, so she doesn't use it which make it recline even more. Too bad she doesn't seem to realize people want her to use english not because it's good but because it's fucking cute when she's using it

>>2301626
>she doesn't seem to realize people want her to use english not because it's good but because it's fucking cute when she's using it

Yeah the alligator foot stream is total kino. I will cherish it

>>2301626
So what you're saying is, her English is going to get worse, thus making it even cuter?

>>2301702
Yeah, but it also makes it less likely that she will use it often

I like her but unless she mixes in some English in her streams then I will just watch translated clips

>>2301626
tfw no shuddup degenerate anymore

>>2299942
>can’t

literally you are a chink insect tier schizo.

>>2299942
>EN loves her more than JOPs anyway
It's just your ego that makes you think this. Who do you think draws the vast majority of her porn? Her Japanese fans shouldn't be left out in the cold because she's attracted an English audience. People here would be pissed if say Ina pandered to Japanese audiences as much as Haachama's pandered to English audiences and rightfully so.

>>2299942
>EN loves her more than JOPs anyway.

>>2299942
She'll probably get back to it after her time displacement story arc is ended. Right now, from her in-character perspective, EN isn't a thing yet so she'd never even had the idea.

EOPs like you are real creepos. The Japanse fanbase has some terrible people for sure too, but at least none of them have a psychopathic delusion like that. Wonder why many of you have to have a literal stalker mindset like that.

>>2302844
I agree with that Nihonjin. Chammers is the big red heart of Hololive.

Idk. But the last EN stream was kept private. Maybe is a hint...

>>2302927
Thats funny considering it's the JOP fanbase that does the actual stalking.

>>2302927
It was JOPS who stalked Aloe into quitting.
You cannot ever live that down.

>>2302976
You don't remember the Aussie that sent messages to Haachama multiple times saying that he saw her walking in school and that she was cute?

>>2303008
No, because you pulled that out of your ass.

>>2303029
No, I didn't. Do your /jp/ archive reps, he did it via Twitter and superchat and I believe he mentioned her backpaxk if that helps. Haatons hounded him pretty hard.

>>2302976
Many of you have a stalker mindset like "She must love me" . Fucking creepy. The Japanese shitposters dont have a thread like this, while this board constantly does. Also your stalker term JOP does not make any sense, since Japanese dont demand that Holo EN vtubers should a content for Japanese audenece. None of them say Holo EN vtubers should speak Japanese. Thats the difference.

>>2303059
You're Japanese, aren't you?

>>2303059
>should a content
*should have

>>2303049
Keep digging that hole.

>>2299942
>EN loves her more than JOPs anyway.
imagine unironically believing this

>>2303059
Western fans at large understand the boundaries of a parasocial relationship. You not seeing it is projection, not fact.

>>2301626
Her bad English is an act https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbTizG5bFmA

>>2303089
Let me guess, you're "learning Japanese"?

>>2303059
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a couple of people who learned Japanese here, and feel the need to argue it because of some false sense of respect towards the Japanese audience or even because of selfish reasons given how EOPs are constantly bombarded (admitedly many times justifiably).
I get it to a certain extent, as one always thinks the grass is greener on the other side, but still...

>>2303079
Is doing archive reps really so hard for people nowadays? This used to be common knowledge.
>>/jp/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=haachama+stalker

>>2303101
LMAO then tell me why she "cant" do English streams anymore? You believe its not a rrat, dont you?

>>2303195
Clearly a larp. She was in high school.

>>2303005
Do your reps and learn about kusodad, faggot.

>>2303111
I'm pretty sure that retards on this board think that Korone is actually a dog, you'll never convince them that haachama is dumbing down her English to stay in character.

>>2303212
And he was in high school too, and he was serious. I don't know how much more you want me to spoonfeed you here, but Chammers having had a stalker isn't just made up bullshit to make EOPs look bad or whatever you're thinking.

>>2303253
While singing is a medium where one can sound better at a language by default, I feel it's pretty self evident in her karaoke streams whenever she brings Red-kun out too.
Her English goes from retard-chama to "Woah, that's pretty good ESL English"

>>2303149
The issue is very simple. She isnt a native English speaking vtuber. Neither an American girl nor anyone from Anglosphere. Shes a Japanese girl who can decide what to do. If she wants to speak English, she will do. EOPs just cant accept the reality, and make a bunch of stalker rrats especially the ones that blame everything on the Holo JP management or some Japanese norms like "t-their corporation culture!" . Which is nothing but dumb bigotry, practically the same irrational fabricated narrative as the angry Chinese spammers one.

>>2303267
so this is the average haaton... sugoi...

>>2303382
Yeah, I can see that. Won't deny that's something that becomes a norm to accept after a while here, with all the rrats for every holo happening constantly, to the point you start to believe them sometimes.
The EnMa arguments in particular do get tiring, whether she's at fault or not for any lack of collab.

>>2302927
>>2303059
I'm gonna rape haachama because of you anon. I'm telling the truth because you're reading it on the internet.

>>2303267
>haha

>>2301626
You know, she actually dumbs down her English intentionally.

>>2303409
This isn't an average anything, and with that name he's a mix breed which makes him even more prone to brain damage.

>>2299942
Haachama will do an En stream when she thinks of an idea for the content. Haachama does things on whim. If you are lucky, she might decide to do a string of EN streams because she wants to practice English again. In the meantime, there are always live translators in her JP streams.
If you want to woo Haachama towards EN again, there is an angle you could take...
https://youtu.be/-fXdBUBXd5o

>>2303926
Better think of something fast, it's going to deteriorate again...

>>2303446
The Emma shit is certainly ridiculous. The reason that I criticise these rrats especially the ones attacking Holo JP and Japan without any evidence/confirmation is that I dont want the English fanbase to have unhinged angry mob like the Chinese spammers. You might not believe it but these kinds of fans easily turn into such unstoppable angry mob.

>>2302927
You will never be japanese

>>2303951
ENbros would probably be happy with her doing anything in English. The issue is that she has to find it interesting, too.

>>2303059
>None of them say Holo EN vtubers should speak Japanese

Why would they? They’re all roastie whores. The scraps. Holo wasted the best character designs ever (shark loli) on those pieces of trash.

>>2303111
>a voice actor voice acts

omfg

>>2303253
>>2303295
Pronunciation is not fluency, red kun's lines are most likely prepared in advance. Her grammar understanding is atrocious and that's obvious if you watch any of her EN/CN collabs. She misunderstands simple sentences and forces her partner to explain or drop the subject awkwardly. When Ina was talking about a food she heard exists haachama asked how was it for example

>>2299942
What a fucking schizo. whos "EN"? Your "We" group mentality creeps me out. Go back to your chinky chink insect colony

>>2303059
Fuck off back to 2ch and be cringe there, there's enough delusion here already without people like you actually thinking Japanese fans are innocent little angels

>>2303212
I dont know context but school "uni" might be uniform, not university

>>2306669
That would be correct.

Schools have uniforms over here and it's common for people to refer them as uni.

>>2306958
It clearly says “uni form” in the stalker’s tweet

>>2303267

>>2307771
And they're clearly referring to the superchat which doesn't

>>2303111
Wait so she was just pretending to not understand Amelia? She could've made the collab good

>>2307825
If it’s the same stalker wouldn’t he be referring to the same thing with his shit English when calling it “uni” or “uni form”. Not to mention the fucking asinine way people say “going to university” instead of “going to A university” which makes more sense, or just “college”.

He is definitely ESL with that fucking speech pattern, no reason to associate that stalker with EOP.

why deconstruct this shit. fucking retard cant be bothered spelling out the whole word. nothing to do with university at all :/

>>2303195
>He says “uni”
>>2303267
>He says “uni form”

Most people who say Uni use it interchangeable with University, and are most often ESL not EOP. It is something I have heard way too many times, and I always annoys me.

>>2308413
But 'school uni' would never be used to mean university I don't know where the confusion's coming from, it's obviously short for school uniform

>>2308492
No confusion. I was using the second example to confirm what the other person said, when they said he meant it as Uniform. When they speculated it was common to refer to uniforms as uni, the other post showed that the stalker says “school uniform” as “school uni form”.

That second tweet is worded in such a way that shows the stalker is not a native English speaker.

>>2308694
Example:
>is your school uni form black on red and you are with a red backpack with a few key chains.

“and you are with a red backpack with a few”

>>2302714
you missed singchama stream's superchat streaming then

>>2302927
>implying japanese aren't more mentally derranged than us
the only difference is JOPs tens to making real said psychopathic delusion

>>2299942
Haachama can stream in whatever language she likes to, and both the jops and eops will watch. She wont whore herself to either of them, unlike some other chuubas out there.

>>2299942
She's done with them but possible reasons why are management is forcing her to stop, she only did those English streams so she could get a boost in numbers from the eop crowd, or once she returned to Japan there was no reason to continue speaking English.

>>2302512
This, I stopped watching her.

>>2312458
Her members diaries suggest otherwise.

>>2301626
Now you're thinking that? She got conscious about her English back when Coco debuted. Speaking English was her character back then so she even felt the need to reinvent herself, it's how the haachama thing started.

>>2312727
What Haachama says and what she does are two different things, I'll believe it once I see it.

>>2312896
Hello Discord.

>>2312903
Wrong boogeymen

>>2302512
She has the most consistent live translators of any JP. Just use ytchat filter.

The strongest idol sure does have some weak antis. Why is this so?

>>2299942
what's EN?

>>2313790
English

>>2299942
>EN loves her more than JOPs anyway.
EOP newfags like you think you love her but you don't know a goddamn thing about her besides "muh pepeloni". Your love is as shallow as a goddamn puddle out in the hot sun. Who gives her the most money? Who is able to talk to her more? Who draws most of her fan art (that doesn't suck balls and look like deviant art tier trash?) That's right, the Japanese. The EOP audience will forever be inferior.

>>2303111
>>2303253
>>2303295
>>2303730
Exhibit A of how you are all fucking retarded surface-level fucks. You think a single clip somehow proves that her English isn't absolutely atrocious despite all evidence to the contrary.

>>2308254
This is top kek levels of cope. EOP has always been used to refer to all the non-japanese speaking retards who watch hololive. Hence this guy is 100% representative of you fucks and you all deserve to die.

>>2318531
>English Only = Asian ESL guy
Are you fucking retarded? He is one of yours faggot.

>>2318531
You will never be japanese.

>>2318531
The obsessed Japanese artists that compulsively draw pictures to jerk off to, that is your example for being less obsessed? Fuck off Kelvin she isn’t your precious. She will never say “HoloJP is cool” you fucking obsessed dork? Face it your boring as fuck to her. She hates you as much as we do, you lame-ass gatekeeping piece of shit. You are local townie trash, nothing about you is unique or interesting to other locals. Travel if you want to feel special, faggot.

>>2318531
>The EOP audience will forever be inferior.
This is true of Hololive in general. The west is devolving back into Africa and that's reflected in our fanbase.

>>2318766
There are only 2 audiences, the ones that understand Japanese and the retarded clipwatching memesters that don't. EOP has always been used in these threads as an umbrella term for the latter. Who benefits from English stream? This guy does, so he's with you fucks.

>>2319062
The EOP splergs out as he is exposed for the shallow fuck he is. He copes as a defensive mechanism but it is clear to all that his very world is crumbling around him as he screeches incomprehensibly.

>>2318531
>Who gives her the most money?
Great definition of "love". She's a prostitute.

>>2319062
>She hates you as much as we do, you lame-ass gatekeeping piece of shit. You are local townie trash, nothing about you is unique or interesting to other locals
I smell the stench of a leftist bugman

>>2319304
>EOP has always been used in these threads as an umbrella term for the latter

>>2319304
You do realize she has 53 English clips right? You can’t be that obnoxious and stupid at the same time.

>>2318531
Not sure how much official collab streams with other mates compare to streams with smaller/less important streamers

I feel like showing the ability for proper English alone wheighs more, especially since Japanese pride is a thing.
We know that it's a major point in Japanese entertainment, that the viewer cannot be insulted, even if that means that the entertainer has to downplay his or her abilities.
I think Haachama has to force the uneducated English, so that her Mates and the entitled viewers of the idol-crowd can feel "smarter"

If what coco concerns in relation to collabs with ID and EN also applies to Haachama then it's no wonder she can't disprove you on her English skills.
The collab streams she did with EN are pretty much Meme-streams but even then you can clearly tell when she's doing her Haachama-Bit and when she uses proper English.

My point being: she's an actress, whether or not her English is truly competent is something only time and more casual English streams will tell.

>>2319313
You aren’t “exotic” in your hometown, you are just default. Your false sense of self importance comes from flexing on an English message board. We don’t think you’re cool and neither does she.

>>2319395
That that disproves clipwatchers as surface-level memesters how?

>>2319507
You're a nigger and will never be a woman

>>2319304
Entertainment is a popularity contest, and you don’t even break the top 10.
>1. English speaking population = 1.348 Billion
>13. Japanese speaking population = 126 million
Of that population how many do you think give money to vtubers vs. how many are elderly? You are very insignificant in the big picture.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers

>>2319519
53 English streams not clips.

>>2319450
There's being modest and there's being absolutely trash like Haachama. She's gone on record multiple times saying she hates studying English and it shows. Next you're going to tell me she also made up the story of her relatives making fun of her English. The way she structures her sentences is so ESL it's not something a fluent speaker can just make up. She would be worthy of an oscars if he could pretend to be this fucking bad at English this consistently.
The amount of mental gymnastics you people perform to convince yourselves that she's somehow hiding something just because of a singular clip is just fucking astounding. You sound like the people who think lizardmen control the government. Get a fucking grip on reality already.

>>2319519
53 English streams, not clips.

>>2319810
Who says she is faking it? That’s one retard in denial, most people just like her for her. Not some elaborate bullshit rrat, just so they can feel like they are in the know.

>>2319906
>who says she's faking it
>>2303111
>>2303253
>>2304219
>>2303730
>>2319450
Apparently a whole lot of you.

>>2319810
Chill my friend, I think that way because while her active sentencing is bad, her connectives and subordinate clauses actually show signs of competent English.
And I don't think her five or six EN collabs prove much of her ability as of yet.
If I'm wrong I'll gladly eat my own words but if I'm right it's great, either way.

As said prior, I think it's a matter of time as such a character puts strain on the voice, multiple girls have shown signs of that and Suisei even changed to a normal voice.

>>2320016
That could also be one person, who cares?

>>2299942
I really miss her 2d model, it was more innocent and cute

>>2308432
Who here is buying the merch?
I want melchama shit.

>>2299942
She was banned from the EN MC server, banned from collabing with EN and banned from even joking about being a member of EN. All that might have made her a but wary about bothering with EN

What channel was the collab stream on?

>>2320483
Hololive ch.
https://youtu.be/RYUAnz0s0Xw

>>2320063
You don't need anything but her own English streams to prove she sucks at English. And her pitch has nothing to do with how fucking bad her English is. Red-kun is not her real voice. If you think that as well you're too fucking stupid to even have an argument with.

>>2318531
>top kek levels of cope
You're not wrong but go back to /v/

>>2319810
Haachama wants to get better at speaking English. She doesn't want to go through the process of getting better at speaking English.

https://youtu.be/-fXdBUBXd5o

This is your chance lads.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

>>2323761
Elaborate.

>>2323526
Lads
it's time

Do you think her feet really smell or is she just trying to rake in more incel money?

https://youtu.be/fHVxozU7neg

>>2338065
Both. It worked too well and even chama got wierded out by the influx of footfags

>Japanese actors in Hollywood movies can't pronounce SCRIPTED english lines fluently for NON-LIVE CONTENT
>Japanese pro voice actors in anime and games can't pronounce SCRIPTED english lines fluently for NON-LIVE CONTENT
>Haachama is the only japanese person to fake pronunciation for LIVE CONTENT

Christ you retards really will do any sort of mental gymnastics to keep the illusion up huh?

>>2338137
Strongest idol

>>2338137
>Haachama can't pronounce SCRIPTED english lines fluently for LIVE CONTENT
ftfy

>>2338247
See >>2303111

All replies say it's because it's scripted, so what's the excuse when she's saying practiced and scripted lines better than literal actors?

>>2338277
Because she's been exposed to the language and adopted a bit of the accent because she was imitating people around her?
Her pronounciation there is better but she's still struggling to read it out and her grammar is all over the place in english collabs, in situations where it would make zero sense to pretend because it simply makes the streams worse. Yeah sure she made that one Civia collab awkward and cringy as shit just to keep up the charade

>>2338065
they smell, she has huge feet for a small girl and usually wears boots irl because it's easier to get womens boots in bigger sizes