/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Cant pinpoint a stream but I remember Guras journey from being optimistic to depressed, to coping, to acceptance, to not giving a fuck. Just like the journey of a regular employee interestingly enough.

Pretty much any of Mori’s solo content now

All the girls I love and watch never give up, they're like Rocky but cute

One of the last Shadoba ones.

>>23607962
When she gave up the aripeko

>>23608101
If you're talking Gura then it's the Jumpking stream. Could have been bad before and worse later but watching that will always leave a bad taste in your mouth.

>>23608122
Mori are at least smart enough to know what she is doing, she finds “hard” games and monetizes her pain in overcoming them and turn them into glorified talk streams
Its worse when the other Holo girls try to do the same thing without understanding the point

Original flavor Ame was a wonderful thing.

>>23607962
I’m guessing this thread will only pertain to ENs.

I'm sooo looking forward to Koyori giving up.

>>23608511
english language website

>>23608381
She just walks around cheesing shit with summons

>>23608242
funny how that got one of her most viewed VODs and most popular animation

>>23607962
Debut stream
This applies to all of holoEN.
They were at their peak when their designs were revealed without hearing their voices.
It’s been downhill ever since.
Except for Kiara and Sana since their designs were garbage from the start

>>23608242
>>23608803
Problem with Gura legit suffering is there's not enough hate against her to really enjoy it except for maybe the ryona types. Most viewers want to see her have a fun time, unlike Kiara and Mori and to an extent Ame. And Ina never suffers because she throws that suffering to chat and enjoys watching them suffer.

>>23608647
You are a rather mean person, anon.

when IRyS stopped using the white filter

>>23607962
Anyone doing any "review" or "react" stream marks the death of any creativity they may have had.

>>23607962
When mori forced irys to drink, starting the corruption of irys

>>23609352
No, it just means they have trouble with improv. For some, creativity takes time.

when mori missed that karaoke and said she didnt care

>>23608101
>Just like the journey of a regular employee interestingly enough.
make sense, she handles her Hololive career like any other job, I don't think she has any real creative ambition at this point. She won't even release a cover

>>23608464
I can't believe I went from watching her non stop to the point of going schizo from destroying my sleep schedule to not watching her at all. Every few weeks I try to give her a chance and end up closing her stream after a few minutes

>>23609700
>I can't believe I went from watching her non stop to the point of going schizo from destroying my sleep schedule to not watching her at all.
I did exactly the same thing, but with Marine.
Until her first break last year (august?) I watched every one of her streams. Then I just stopped. Suddenly I stopped caring.

>>23609677
No need for ambition when you're on top. I hoped that Luxiem's success and HoleFes 3 would drive HoloEn to push forward, but instead they're all just taking it easy.

>>23607962
Aqua's mario kart tournament.

>>23607962
mori's debut

>>23609772
Marine's my favorite too, but it really has been hard to stay invested enough to catch every stream since the ongoing problems with her voice began. I never did lose sleep to watch her to begin with though; she conveniently enough tends to stream early in the morning for me.

When she gave up on a friendship because of shippers. How hard is it to put your foot down and tell the yurifags to chill the fuck out. Eventually one of them did, but it was too late. No one is forcing them to play into a relationship. Even if the fans go retarded they can always make their feelings heard in order to sort things out. Im sure other things are happening backstage, but to me it feels like she's rushing her retirement. Nothing wrong with her choosing to step down, but it still makes me sad to see her becoming distant.

Manhunter was a glorious example of giving up on your first stream by Goober

>>23609352
Subaru...

>>23609812
it's honestly a huge waste that a great singer like her who can also gather a crowd very easily does so little with those talents

>>23610151
Mori's music being so huge is a testament to how little talent actually matters.

>>23608647
She's saving up for her daughter's education.

>>23607962
FNAF

>>23610427
I would love to see proof lol

>>23610352
Reminds me of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18uP4XFXqDw

>>23608242
You mean for the gameplay? because that whole stream was hilarious, who the fuck cares if the game suckass

Aqua after losing to Suisei

>>23610151
When you've been talented and experienced instant success at pretty much everything you've ever tried it makes you lazy. Gura is one of those "everything they touch turns to gold" people, they never needed to work hard and they're not gonna start now.

>>23609534
The second I heard her become just that slight bit more openly vulgar, I knew it was over.

>>23608743
It’s English and Japanese

>>23608743
???

>>23609700
She was the only one I really watched until IRyS debuted. What I liked so much about Ame was that at first the gremlin clip lord content was only part of her shtick and most of the time she was quite charming and sweet. Teamates took pride in telling people that there was a lot more to Ame than what clippers seems to feed on. She used to try so hard when she sang and I couldn't help but find her endearing. She sang Hallelujah earlyish and she actually nails some parts of the song and you can just hear how she was glowing. I won't speculate on why or when because I don't watch enough anymore but at some point there was a change.

>>23607962
A couple of streams after she quit her day job.

>>23607962
Gura's debut

Kronii never tried in the first place.

>>23609352
Ame's "review" streams are cool

>HoloEN season 2
Pretty much boring, multiple breaks, no arc stories, nothing spectacular except Holofes. Irys and Council are mediocre at best, no one really stand out. Sana pretty much gave up after a few early streams, I'm not surprised if she not gonna renew the contract and graduate this year.

>>23609812
>No need for ambition when you're on top
That's only for mediocre and passionless people. She's mediocre because she wants to be, and that's sad because she's not a bad entertainer. I'd rather stick to people like Koyori who really wants to succeed and enjoys her job; seeing someone giving his all is an amazing feeling; that's sovl.
Ambition and passion is what is all about. That's the difference between people achieving big things and living a fulfilling life and people who works at Burger King flipping burgers for minimum wage. Gura could be a star in something she allegedly liked, but her mediocre and conformist mentality is stronger. There's a say in spanish that goes like "you can leave the ranch but you can't stop having a ranch in your head", which implies that you can always physically leave a mediocre place but you can't really leave such place if its ways are grafted into your brain.

>>23611946
You sound like a fag

>>23609772
I'm starting to get that way with my oshi too. Once I'm done with the project I've been cooking up related to her, I'll probably be far less involved.

>>23609895
Towa...

>>23607962
Any gura stream in the middle of 2021. Debut era was great.

>>23610996
>I don't watch enough anymore but at some point there was a change.
I'm sure other people have their own theories but to me there was a noticeable change after Coco graduated

>>23607962
Ame's "reacting to videos" stream. Literally ethot twitch content

>>23612570
Oh no no no no..

>>23608122
Yes, she’s become so bad. Elden Ring arc has nearly killed me.

>>23609352
If you’re just watching shit and making a snide comment everyonce Ina while, like moistman, or dare I say Pikamee, then you are just filling the time with the laziest content you can muster. If you are engaging with the material, watching attentively, providing some personal insight, or simply using the material to spur your own riffs and tangents then it can be ok. I think Ame does a good job of it.

>>23613182
I cant believe you insulted calliope mori's(the most dedicated holo) oshi

>>23613182
Pikamee reactions are funny at least unlike the rest.

>>23610352
If you actually sit down and read her lyrics (which you should) it’s shocking how similar they are to a high school leve composition paper. Surface level introspective analysis and very little word play. You can tell she doesn’t spend much time writing them. I think the biggest change from her early stuff to now is that she uses less filler words, but otherwise I don’t see much artistic growth either. She’s still rapping about the same stuff in the same way 5 years later.

The best thing about her music is the instrumentals.

>>23613513
>The best thing about her music is the instrumentals
>Overly produced trash
yeah great.

>>23611004
Pomu?

>>23613575
I didn’t say it was good, just better than the lyrics.

>>23610427
a rrrat i want so desperately to be real

>>23613513
I wonder if she thinks herself too good to get help on how to write better lyrics? Or it's not "real" enough for her.

>>23612529
I mean with Rushia too, why wouldn't you coast? One wrong yab and you get unpersoned. So you have to hard censored yourself and Cover does a lot of censorship too and you end up with boring content that no one wants to watch.

Last year I felt like there were a lot more clips and arcs and this year feels like there not really anything going on.

>>23609700
Literally me. It's depressing how dull her streams are now. I can't imagine being a day 1 Teamate and thinking she's as good as she ever was, when it's obvious she's been completely checked out since September.

>>23613586
Rosemi

>>23609042
Ina never suffers because she has the personality of a wet blanket and doesn't really care.

>>23613854
Ina is the EN that ruly does not care for anything outside her bubble

>>23613632
Sad thing about Calli is she be great streamer if she wasn't a wigger and acted autistic, like the potential was there but she fucked it up and if her songs where just singing with no rapping, she even be decent artist.

>>23613964
She's very similar to Pekora in that sense, and I think this actually is a very good quality for a streamer to have.

>>23607962
never happened

>>23610427
Real, I'm her daughter

>>23613513
>The best thing about her music is the instrumentals
>the part she doesnt make
rumao

>>23613675
>Last year I felt like there were a lot more clips and arcs and this year feels like there not really anything going on.
I'm hoping this means that they got more projects in the works or something thats taking up resources. It's that or maybe the company just feels nice and comfortable where they are and they dont feel a need to push things outside of events.
As for the lack of clips, maybe its just down to clippers being less interested in vtubers? I'm just spitballing ideas.

>their oshi isn't driven by an unquenchable desperation to be adored

>>23607962
>A thread in which Holo EN fans recount the time they realised what their oshi always was.

Good thread. I'll even play along and pretend that any of them 'changed' at any point.

The amount of shits given is directly proportional to the amount of watch-a-longs a streamer does. Doesn't care = more watch-a-longs.

>>23614269
Damn Suisei and Azki are hacks, they should graduate...

>>23614509
It's just a stealth anti thread

>>23614652
True but actually

>>23614652
>I can't remember a whole conversation. Just the post I last replied to.

>>23614758
The whole argument is "Mori isn't a musician holo, she doesn't even make music, only writes lyrics and those are trash too" when every other music holo doesn't even go that far, they just sing shit other people write for them.

whole thread is about holo members declining in quality and you people still think they're the best chuubas

>>23614812
kobo composes music

>>23614812
And those are hacks too, I stand by my position.

>>23614812
mori is totally a muscian bro, remember all those music production streams she does?

>>23607962
When he banned CmonBruh and started running ads every 30 seconds

>>23607962
Gura's Elden Ring stream

>>23614980
Mori has done more music production streams (1) than literally any other hololive member.

>>23615027
yeah, besides kanata

>>23615083
do you really think a deadbeat would actually watch a jp?

>>23612892
For casual viewing, I watch highlight reels of the JP watchalongs. Even better when they put the scenes of the movie alongside the reaction.

Really enjoyed Fubuki's GotG 2 watchalong as well as Pekora's The Mask watchalong.

Will eventually get to the Miko ones

>>23609042
Gura was having so much fun with Muse Dash on her first streams
Poor Goomber...

>>23611004
Wosemi...

>>23609700
Glad to see there are others who had this strange experience.
She almost won me back with her bug review stream a few months ago.
I think that's one of the best single pieces of content she's ever created, an excellent stream. And then she just.... Stopped doing them.
It could have become her trademark, like it could have been a lasting contribution to hololive like asacoco. it fits with her lore too, jumping around space and time to study weird things.
Cannot express enough how much wasted potential was there, and you can tell from the tone of the comments of that video how excited people were to expirience more of this

>>23614819
Yeah this past week I watched some random indie on Twitch and it was way more entertaining than anything I've seen on Hololive for a long time.

>plays hardcore content
>does gimmicks to keep the stream entertained even though the stream is several hours long
>able to curse freely
>has a non-unicorn audience
>rigging is also way better than the two dollars Hololive must have spent on their rigging

>>23614652
lmao living rent free in cuckbeat head

>>23611004
Yeah, rosemi hit me hard too, telling us that she is going back to school just gives me that spidey sense that she is considering graduation again
It's not that I wouldn't love it if she went to hololive, but it feels like she's considering that streaming might just not be for her

>>23614812
>>23614652
The difference is Suisei and Azki can both actually sing
Mori has been getting hard carried by other people despite having a really amateur voice

>>23616195
Hoping she can get through the first year. Older niji members have lots of free reign over when they wanna stream. At least that's how it is in JP. Lots of older JP members barely even stream and are pretty much all guerilla.

>>23608911
Text not required.

>>23608911
To be fair Kiara now is much more tolerable to watch than debut Kiara. Takamori was very cringe.

>>23608911
Did kiara have a say in her design? Her whole concept makes no sense I refuse to believe a corpo hired artist came up with that.

>>23616459
She said she did not, only that she had some say on the 1nd outfit onwards
Most of the girls had premade bodies they had to apply to, it's why Bae completely changed her personality

>>23607962
Not a particular stream, but after the 5th week of exactly the same routine – 3 utawakus, 1 morning zatsu and 2 kusoge nights, I realized that she (small JP corpo chuuba) completely checked out and only shows for her paycheck.

>>23609772
>Then I just stopped. Suddenly I stopped caring.
Wow, you just know discovered a cool trick to improve in life?

Are you 'addicted' to vtubers or any content on the internet?
>just stop and you'll suddenly stop caring BRAVO
Do you want to improve your life and get out of the rabbit whole of procrastination etc etc?
>just stop and you'll suddenly move on

Thank you for opening our eyes anon

>>23616195
If she didn't enjoy Nijisanji she isn't gonna enjoy Hololive

>>23615350
I mean she did the deep sea creature and the monkey review. doing something 3 times is a lot for Ame, that's been pretty clear for a while.

>>23609700
This but Kronii during her Minecraft arc.

>>23611004
Mori?

>>23613182
Pikamee is truly funny during her reactions, she keep messing around all the time and improvising. I personally don't like reaction content but when it's well made you gotta give some credit

>>23614023
Rapping is not the problem. Watame does it and it turns all great! It's just that Mori wants to be some american gangster kind of rapper, that's the problem.

>>23614652
Since when did it become wrong to use professional songwriters and guest musicians?

>>23616444
This desu. I feel like Kiara began to turn for the better around Fall 2021, around the time Myth got their formal outfits.

>>23620341
It's like she changes her personality based on what her model is wearing.

>>23620430
Now that I think about it, you’re right. Chimkin’s usually at her most annoying in her default outfit (bonus points if she’s holding her sword/shield or her drumsticks)

>>23616444
Unironically this.
Out of everyone from EN who improved is Kiara. She went from being the most cringe, obsessed, screeching bird, to now being the only one in EN who actually tries to be entertaining.
Calli went from cool hot reaper to fucking lazy. She wont stop using her shit ass rapper costume.

>>23612081
He really does.

>>23611946
She's mediocre because she is and rode the wave of internet meme anime girl which just happened to blow up massively around 2020 because of the efforts of people like kizuna whore back in 2016 and enabled gura to combine her existing foundation with the star power.

She is literally the type of person who gets just 15 minutes of fame and in 10 years she'll be a has-been that her zoomzoom 12 year old fanbase looks up in college to see "what ever happened to goop goop mcclaine". Unlike, say, someone like pewdiepie who built a brand out of his image.

>>23608511
The very first time I heard one of her covers and was annoying cringe spammed all over 4chan.

>>23616629
That would have been a really cringe interview.
>omegatranny: now can you act... CHAOTIC?
>confused girl that became baelz: uh cheesed to mate you?

'member when everyone though haachama gave up and was about to graduate after/during the coco thing?
man 2021 was fucking great, even the first couple of months of this year weren't as great with the exception of rushiagate

>>23614023
shes not acting. thats genuine tism right there

>>23612081
>>23620801
Seething chumbuds detected

>>23613513
So what you're saying is she should start taking grown up artist drugs like coke or at least LSD and shrooms.

>>23607962
debut

>>23620807
Agree with everything except the last part. Who even cares about Pewdiepie anymore?

>>23611946
>"you can leave the ranch but you can't stop having a ranch in your head"
Venezuelan bro?

>>23621939
Every language ever has a saying like it.

>>23614707
>stealth

>>23607962
Construction Simulator broke Mumei. Here you have a chuuba that was planning on doing history streams, play the old Civ games, AoE, and maybe some city sims, too only to find out that most of that content is too yabai (yes, even potatoes) and almost all of those games are impossible to get perms for streaming. So now we're left with brown Haachama.

>>23622065
Maybe you should actually watch her streams.

>>23621875
Pewdiepie rode it long enough to make a brand and long enough that he accumulated a net worth in the 8 figures- enough to credibly never work again. What will become of gura in 5 more years when people forget about hololive and move onto the new hotness? Stuff like Vspo and smaller corpos are already eating into the holosanji duopoly slowly but steadily and Sony wants to muscle in on them as well. Gura lives like she's set for life without actually having made set-for-life money. She's making infinitely more than she was before, but she misjudges how much that actually is and how long she can actually make that last and how relevant she actually is and how enduring her persona actually is. Big now until her 12 year olds become 14 year olds and move on to the next thing leaving her high and dry like how Mito and Kizuna are well know but no longer as relevant as they used to be.

>>23621098
>2021
Do you mean 2020? 2021 was like being drunk on a sunday and 2022 is like the monday hangover.

>>23622423
Holo and Niji just have to wait for Vshojo to make a corpo ending yab like fraud or money laundering to soak up that resulting market share.

>>23622423
Gura probably doesn't want to make a brand for herself until after she retires from hololive. The minimum effort she puts out is because of restraints tied to corporate life that Cover puts on her. Why make a company millions when you only see a small cut of it? I suspect she has good ideas but doesn't feel like she gets compensated enough to act on them.

>>23622749
She has a ton of ideas they just all get shit down by shit management. Why try?

>>23623082
Like what?

>>23622749
she can't even get shorts approved quickly, I have no idea what management is doing

>>23623082
>>23623240
All that cover want's her to do is be kawaii cute anime gamer girl. Which is sad. She's more than that by a long mile.

>>23623839
Not really.

Vtubers are not as interesting as anime characters, they are normal regular people.

After long enough, you will get bored of your oshi since you will have figured them out already. It's not sustainable as a career long term. All vtubers will graduate sooner than later.

>>23620807
Pewds fell hard though. Losing the number 1 spot really broke him

>>23624220
Not just Vtubers, but YouTubers, streamers, podcasters, content creators in general.
Why do internet creators have so few golden years?
In contrasts the creative lifespan of writers, composers and painters could last decades.

>>23624877
>In contrasts the creative lifespan of writers, composers and painters could last decades.
Because they actually create content. Weird, I know.

>>23624877
This >>23625079

>>23610602
She's been doing shitty cleaning jobs before so you'd think that put a some more drive into her

>>23625424
Wait what? I thought she was wealthy, she owned a horse after all.

>>23625424
When you consider the kind of content she made in her past life, it's really not that surprising. She got popular by doing the bare minimum. No surprise she's phoning it in now.

>>23624600
>>23611946
>>23620807
>>23609812
>>23625424

Can you please explain to me what does being ambitious mean for a streamer?
Signing deals with Disney and CNN? Getting so many viewers the chat becomes unreadable?
Doing political takes hoping to go viral?

People always bitch about streamers losing drive but it's not like making movies, getting to the top means becoming a whore to the algorithm and big companies exclusively.

>>23625079
Yes.
Internet celebrities focus on pleasing the algorithm first before making good stuff, so they all eventually go bust when the companies change stuff.

>>23621875
Anon, pewdiepie has stayed relevant and reinvented himself for 10 years, that's an insane longevity for the very fickle industry of internet content creation

>>23607962
Gura's GOI during new year's stream
I knew she's reverting back to her old self and I was right

His first anniversary stream. He eventually graduated quietly.

>>23625769
His new content sucks ass and no one talks about him anymore

>>23609772
In my case was the same with Kronii.

After the nux drama VShojo has never been the same. Doesn’t matter who you think was in the wrong, the girls totally lost their rhythm.

They were killing it. New talent was coming, they were getting major media attention and brand deals. Then around December of last year it all fell apart.

Nyanners hasn’t had a consistent schedule in months and streams on random alt accounts that she made for unknown reasons. Veibae has given up gaming to just react to food videos and memes. Froot barely streams. Silver barely streams. Iron mouse had a legendary subathon, but since then has pretty much only been doing react content. The only one who still does content other than reactions consistently is Zen and it’s usually with people outside of vshojo since no one else is playing anything. Even + has fallen off. Haruka had a huge redebut but barely streams. Snuffy keeps changing models every month and they keep getting progressively worse, and she mostly does react content. Vshojo used to be the go to if you wanted EN chuubas that weren’t idols. Now they’re just like all the other dime a dozen twitch react streamers and it bums me out.

>>23608381
Mori still hasn't cleared Ghost of the Babe despite being on the last stretch. she just dropped it (literally), and never touched it again.

>>23622065
mumei will never play your shitty nerd game, cry about it

>>23609895
Who were the shippers yurifags forcing her to be with?

>>23628691
Are there Yuri shippers in Japan?

>>23628808
They are colloquially known as "Love Live fans" there.

>>23627121
NTA but pewdiepie won, he was the youtube protagonist for a time, got some god tier arcs then retired during the season finale (when he got 100millions subs), got his epilogue where he got married and that's it, he's chilling now, the man has been at it for years he is a legend in the field and deserves to take it easy as a mere hobby now

I think part of Korone died with the holocaust and the loss of permissions. She's still pretty immaculate in the energy she puts into things but I'm guessing there's less personal joy in it for her now that she can't freely binge old kusoge anymore.

Most of Ina and Ame's content now
Same with Froot and her Apex addiction
Can't think of any Niji's that suffer from it, but they dont really have the same perms for good games that Holo does.

Mumei definitely started off strong, and now all she does is shitty blog streams and karaoke.

One could say Pikamee and her twitch streams, but I genuinely find those comfy unless shes watching non-interesting videos.

>>23627225
to be fair, theres new drama every fucking week with Vshojo, and it usually revolves around Veibae, Zen, or Froot.

Hime doesnt stream
Nyanners is too afraid of drama
Silver is a bitch
Ironmouse is bed ridden
and Melody is comfy

The rest are just fucking drama magnets, who woulda thunk when you hires legitimate whores, they act like whores

>>23630630
weird considering the actual unironic whore is the most fun to watch and is (seemingly) involved in the least drama

>>23621703
Adderall works wonders in the booth

Ogey

>>23609677
Efficiency is key to success

>>23629727
>Won
>Nearly collapsed the house of cards that is videogame streaming copyright licensing

>>23608122
>>23612983
I would say her non-gaming streams are still good.

>>23631231
honest whores>sneaky whores

Good to see my wife is not mentioned a single time in this thread, as she is a very hard worker

>>23616248
I mean she can get better with practice

>>23639425
Some whores are too honest, but i guess the problem there isn't them being a whore or being honest, it's usually just that they have a shit personality

>>23627413
Don't blame her. JK arc lasted too long and her last few streams weren't very good.

>>23622749
>>23623082
>>23623240
> I suspect she has good ideas
> management cope
I fucking hate this stupid narrative that management is in any way holding Gura back from putting out decent content consistently. Fucking retarded.
What fucking Ideas do you really think Gura has besides posting the same kindof meme videos she did in her past life ?
And people arnt even asking for anything unique or special from Gura anyways, she doesnt need "ideas" she needs to fucking stream.
When she's in the right mood, Gura is already an excellent entertainer, its just really fucking rare to get that quality of stream out of her.
All she needs to do is sing city pop songs (and release a fucking original song that actually sounds like what you sing on Karaoke ) and stream video games with her friends.
But Gura doesnt want anything, bitch barely wants to be alive right now

>Voice problems
>Covid
>Just keeps posting 3D animations

It's fucking over

>>23609352
I blame vshojo influence on whats happening to pikamee

Vtubing was at its peak during the height of covid around late 2020 and it's gone downhill ever since.

I think what it comes down to is that most, if not all vtubers these days, stopped playing their character and instead are just regular streamers with an anime avatar. I'm not really sure how to explain it but that's what it feels like to me.

>>23639888
No it isn’t you dumb motherfucker. Shut up

>>23619182
>It's just that Mori wants to be some american gangster kind of rapper
Where have you got that idea? Her rap is hardly gangster and more like niche J-rap she likes.

>>23639961
>12 videos in the last month, only SEVEN of those are actual streams

>>23640013
So? She had nodules, then sadbrains about the nodules and then COVID. She’ll be back in full force before the year is over.

>>23607962
Korone's debut.

I miss first month Sana....

>>23609813
it's not the first thing to come to mind, if you know what i mean

>>23607962
when she returned to Japan and lost all sense of her EN side of the fan base.

>>23615944
>cursing is good
?

The only HoloENs that still try are Kiara, Fauna, and Baelz.
Am I right about Bae? I don't watch her and am basing this on threadreading.

>>23630076
>Can't think of any Niji's that suffer from it
There's Finana's gacha addiction I guess.

>>23610741
>日本人も英語を使うならば同じようにに歓迎します

>>23644849
It is good. It shows that you're still human and not a corporate drone. Cursing should be encouraged.

>>23645138
Bae has had "tummy hort" style issues for the last month. She promises that she'll get back on the horse though.

>Kronii's last stream was 10 days ago
>Gura's last stream was 10 days ago
I really wished they streamed more often, they're my favorites next to Fauna. (Green woman streams regularly now.)

>>23645787
I don't know about gura but AFAIK kronii and her family got covid

>>23645579
Speaking like a normal human should be encouraged. That means some natural cursing as opposed to pretending to be disney, but not a filthy frank act like some degenerates on twitch.

>>23645917
Kronii was the last one to get covid. Ever since then, my family got covid, I followed after a few days, and we all recovered. In that time, we got one twitter space. Kronii is just fucking lazy.

>>23645579
it also marks you as a super cool person everyone should curse

>>23645917
Yeah, but I still miss her.

>>23646022
People have different recovery periods though.

>>23630630
What drama is Zen involved in? Other than the whole being a guy thing.

>>23646067
She's good enough for her RM to be showing up in other people's streams though.

>>23646022
Do you know how long Kanata was gone when she caught the coof?
>>23646134
Now thats a different matter if true.

>>23646134
She does have the house thing, but we could at least get an update, if that's the case.
>>23646182
It's true, one of her friends was doing a thing, and she was there for a couple of hours.

>>23646083
NTA nor a Vshojo fan but I saw a few times where >she went on rants about feeling lonely/not connected with other people, etc.. Also she was involved in some big collabs that really bombed but I don't know if you can blame her on that alone

>>23608511
Because JP viewers tend to congregate in their respected general and not jumping into thread like this.
General is always fun, this kind of thread however is mentally exhausting to comment.

>>23609700
>>23610996
>>23613794
>>23615350
Here's the thing though: she really hasn't changed much from her debut.
>What I liked so much about Ame was that at first the gremlin clip lord content was only part of her shtick and most of the time she was quite charming and sweet
She still is that way, though. Just recently she told teamates about how she wants to be transparent with teamates even though she understands that oversharing things can be disadvantageous. She's still a charming and sweet person, and really she's just gotten better at being able to keep her temper cool as she's gotten older.
>She used to try so hard when she sang and I couldn't help but find her endearing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8VcCZ08AOY
The twitch karaoke was not even a month ago and this is some of the best singing she's ever done on stream.

You just fell out of love with her and moved on.

>>23622065
This sound more like your problem than hers.

>>23622749
She gained millions from merchandise sales, wtf are you talking about

>>23627121
He actually know what he's doing. He knew the rat race is endless so he simply doing what he loves to do and still making money out of it (view money and sponsorships like GFuel and Razer).Seriously, 10 years in internet time is like over 100 years. He still chugging along and some of his contents is still very entertaining. Blame Susan for not recommending him to your front page.

I remember Ame did this really short Apex stream back in like September. She played the game for about half an hour and then made dull chit chat for 15 minutes while eating. It was the only time I ever felt like a streamer was actually bored on stream and it really ruined my enjoyment of her since I couldn't help but feel like she was bored all the time after that.

>>23639239
>Blaming one person when it's clearly sitewide problem

>>23639888
>Got mad at a sick person even when she still posting small videos to tide you over
Anon nowadays are bunch of ungrateful entitled morons

>>23639948
>Blaming them for not doing the kayfabe
>Vtubers like Gibara, Subaru and Amelia found their stride and popularity thanks to them going out of their planned kayfabe

>>23645787
>Kronii got covid
>Gura is house hunting, probably out of county or state by now
You're asking too much

>>23646083
Posting a politcal twitter.....

>>23614126
miko has so much soul its unbelievable. roughing out the early days of vtubing must have made her really appreciate where she is today.

>>23614126
based 35p, i love this silly little shrine maiden it's unreal, I can't wait for the next wwe stream

>all these holo answers
hilarious
I am on hold to give a fuck about hololive until I see how the male en gen will go. If they keep this cringe invisible wall shit up then I am forever off to nijien and indies who ineract like normal human beings and not catholic boy&girl schools.

>>23648183
>I loooooove penis jokes xDD
>interact like normal people

>>23648183
What you talking about, even guys 99% of the time aren't crude

>>23648183
>Talk like normal people
>Vtubers
Pick one

>>23607962
Every council stream

>>23611946
>>23621939
>>23621987
You should say the hood or the slum rather than ranch.

>>23652699
Council is more than just Kroni, you know?

>>23609700
She stopped trying after the Anniversary project, yet another example on why EN should've disbanded in September.

>>23608511
Culturally, Japanese women have a better worth ethic than western women, by like 100x.

They give it their all because that's what needs to be done, even when the honeymoon is over.

PS this is why your married friends admit their wives no longer give them blowjobs like they did when she was their fiancee.

>>23610548
based sick animation enjoyer

>>23608767
Well that is just due to her personality where she will always cheat if she believes she can get away with it

>>23608381
>smart enough
>the girl who literally drinks alcohol just to get waated
She's just lucky her manager put a leash on her. Last time thet let loose she almost canceled herself.

>>23654433
lol
lmao even

>>23615161
Her Dark Descent streams were fucking kino...
I miss gazelle now...

>>23617412
>Thank you for opening our eyes anon
I'm still watching vtubers. But I have barely watched hololive since then - most of my time is spent watching VSpo these days.

>>23654433
lol this sounds very personal and reddit spacing. What, you got heavily downvoted when you said this in r/relationship?

>>23614126
Miko has gone through some rough patches, but she has always given 100% effort. On top of that she has probably kept it up for longer than any other well known vtuber. She's not even my oshi, but I can't help but feel respect. The holos that lose motivation in the first year should be ashamed.

>>23656873
shut up tranny

>>23607962
She let herself get into an offpako collab with a male and the fish whore in a love hotel

>>23620692
> shitty rapper costume

Hey, you named the exact moment I stopped watching Mori too! I got out early for no reason other than that I thought the outfit was cringe and I realized I probably wouldn’t enjoy watching her when she said she liked it better than her debut outfit

>>23607962
>[chuuba] reacts to Unusual Meme Compilation v397and V398

>>23609895
spoonfeed onegai

>>23607962
Ina when she ended the gesture drawings and the final Bastion stream, after that she never left that comfort zone doing the minimal

When picrel ripped off her fingernails on stream.

>>23627225
it still hurts bros... what happened to my comfy western whores...

>>23661548
Without constraints and limits it's easy to get burned out.

>>23608197
just let her be memory-holled anon, she was the start of a bad wave of /here/ pandering chubba

I feel like Matsuri is declining, but I don't know when it started or why. It's like she lost her energy or something...

>>23661306
How in the fuck did this mental case get a job?

>>23662014
They should've kept her, she was going to be a gold mine of content and revenue

>>23661985
Matsuri has done nothing but decline since I discovered her. At this point, it's become part of her identity.

>>23661985
Does she still only do apex streams?

>>23662141
There's an abundance of it, but thankfully it's not *all* apex

>>23647237
Most of this board are underage retards (mentally or physically or both) who talk like women in a salon chair
Its no surprise they have a entitled rod up their assholes like one too, just compare it to a woman bitching about her husband to a hair dresser then you realize how embarrassing the discussion of this board is

>>23621939
M-maduro-kun?!

>>23661306
Not watching the absolute kino of Japanese most wanted face memory

I dropped Gura when she dipped on the offcollab. I don’t buy her covid excuse at all as she would have milked it for way more than missing a single stream and she was fine for every stream she did have.

>>23661985
Many things happened with her: she changed from being a funny degen to being mildly seiso, which made her kind of boring as she's legit degen so it feels she's holding back, she started streaming Apesex only for almost a year, she spent a year and a half collabing with who indies and 2 views and stopped collabing with holomems, yabs with other holomems that portrayed her in bad ways (Luna, Haachama) and finally pretty huge roommate yabs with males involved.
It's honestly reasonable for her to decline after all this.

>>23648183
We don't need nijiniggers, keep your cuck fetish and yaoi hands for yourself.

Gura last DMC4 stream was painful to watch

witcher 3

>>23648183
>Talks about male collabs and visibly shows his cuck fetish
>Posts Pomu
Heh, I guess it's true, her fans are spineless betas with a NTR fetish
Also Pomu's MGS stream will never be as good as Pekora's

>>23665888
>and finally pretty huge roommate yabs with males involved.
one. when a hand was pictured in the camera and she tried to cover it up. pretty funny really, you have only your self to blame if this bothers you or you send them money

>>23661306
i think shes gonna commit soduko based on her last stream

>>23639888
she streamed twice yesterday, and this is tomorrow
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBqX9qIyi14
she's doing okay again

>>23667142
>One
It wasn't just one. I can recall two actually.
>you have only your self to blame if this bothers you or you send them money
She's an idol so people judge her as an idol. Whether you like it or you don't that's what she is and judging her differently is nonsensical, which is why japs judged her severely afterwards. Also her excuse for the hand was retarded. No one in this world could believe it was an stalker so that just made it worse.

>>23620692
This. Kiara puts in the most effort.
I also really liked Mori to the point where she was my oshi once... then she went full n(w)igger

>>23620692
>Calli went from cool hot reaper to fucking lazy.
Well, here's where you're wrong, kiddo: Mori's never been cool. In fact, she's the most uncool in her gen.
>>23667097
>Also Pomu's MGS stream will never be as good as Pekora's
At least they won't get deleted

>>23630076
Tell me you don't watch Mumei's streams without telling me you don't watch her streams

>>23646558
i wonder why she feels disconnected from other people, not like tts is totally offputting and difficult to communicate with haha?

>>23668024
>She's an idol so people judge her as an idol. Whether you like it or you don't that's what she is and judging her differently is nonsensical
You're allowed to form your own opinions and criteria to judge people by. NO ONE is forcing you to buy into idol-culture faggotry, faggot.

>>23627225
I think Nux might have done a number of intracorpo relationships at VShojo (they barely do collabs anymore) but I think their actual problems otherwise are elsewhere. Nyanners seems crippled by having a big audience with lots of normie eyes on her, Veibae is depressed snd burnt out on streaming, Mouse is feeling the weight of carrying the whole corp and is being basically groomed into becoming the Nyanners replacement as the company's face. Also they got boyfriends around the same time and that's going to mess up schedules and content for months.

Although I have to say, Froot has actually streamed more than ever this year, so on that count you're definitely wrong. Although it's still pretty Apex heavy, she's been doing variety too.

>>23669609
What are even trying to say? I just said that judging her as an idol is logical and that the backlash she got was in line with that logic. Buying into idol culture or whatever is what people do when they start watching idols, just like people buy into football culture when they start watching and enjoying football.
>faggotry faggot buzz
You look like a tourist trying to fit in so hard that you start throwing faggot and nigger at random. You don’t really need to force 4chan lingo when it makes no sense, it just shows how much of a tourist subhuman you are.

>>23657303

>>23665888
>Saying she's mildly seiso now
>Recently in one of her Apex stream she's talking about wanting to impregnate her female teammates
>Then she's saying she wants babies with her (male coach)
Lemme guess, you don't even watch her clips. You just mad at male hand yab that pretty much nothingburger.

>>23670542
>mildly
Holy ESL. You seriously need to do your reading comprehension reps.

>>23639888
This is more like a YOU problem. If your chuuba lose passion for vtubing then it's fine to complaint. But she's literally sick. This is like barging into your popular comedian or entertainer's hospital room and screams right in front of his/her face "WHY DON'T YOU ENTERTAIN MEEEEEEEE !!!!!! I PAY YOU MONEY TO MAKE ME HAPPY, I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE JUST RECOVERING FROM KIDNEY TRANSPLANTATION AN HOUR AGO, DANCE FOR ME !!!!"

And this is after she released her animated MV that cost her $400k. You're such a fucking Karen.

>>23670786
People shitting on senchou are subhuman, anon. Don’t even bother.

>>23670158
>Got mad at Vshojo when they're in relationship
>Even though people who watch Vshojo is the type who want streamer entertainment and not GFE
>Hell, everyone want Mousey and Connor to get married already
Are you sure you like Vshojo? Maybe you rather watching a Vtuber who actually give you GFE

>>23670892
It's a problem when the relationship ends up messing up the stream entertainment. Nobody minds Mouse's boyfriend because she keeps streaming, but Nyan and Vei basically have started taking entire weeks off to hang out with their bfs.

>>23670321
>Buying into idol culture or whatever is what people do when they start watching idols
This is a stupid take. Let say I like listening to Greenday, do I need to get into Punk culture? Or people enjoying Eminem, not all of them suddenly wearing wife beater and jacket and talk about having miserable childhood.

>>23670645
>Using ESL insult because you don't have anything to argue back
Dumbass always fall back into this. YOU HAVE NOTHING. I bet you don't even watch vtubers anymore and spent your whole day arguing in this board.

>>23670786
>$400k
If it's true, it seems like she overpaid.

>>23657521
Ew, she has shit taste

>>23670984
>taking entire weeks off to hang out with their bfs.
This is just assumptions. Maybe they just burned out after dealing with the scandal. Also I don't know why people defend Nux, he share the blame for fucking up everything. His arrogant ass destroyed a group of friends.

To be fair, Nux view count also tanked after the whole fiasco. He forget that involving Vshojo into his videos are what make them very popular. Now he's using human streamer and literal who Vtubers and it suck.

Also do you see him when he's interviewed by Anthony Padilla? Dude look like a suburban kid with typical blazer jacket and buttoned up shirt. Far from his Nux Taku fashion sense. At that moment I knew he's just a fucking poser who rely heavily on collab videos to gain viewers.

>>23671381
>Maybe they just burned out after dealing with the scandal.
That was like August-October last year, their current decline has nothing to do with it

>>23671248
Dude, she's using an actual (high quality) anime studio to produce the animation. The music was done by the guy who made One Piece opening and she recorded her song with an actual orchestra ensemble.

What? Do you think that kind of animation can be done by one person? and the composer is the typical indie composer?

>>23671248
She really didn't, anon. That's really just how much that stuff costs.

>>23671511
>>23671526
I remember a whole season of anime costing around $5m, so I truly think she overpaid. Maybe post covid shit costs more.

Never

>>23668528
>boring streamer
>surprised people think she’s boring

>>23630076
>but they dont really have the same perms for good games that Holo does.

What? Is this bizzaro world?

>>23671659
It's about production cost and the volume of product produced.

Let say you're a mane-chan, Yagoo ordered you to go to China to make a deal to produce a certain line up of plushies. They offered you option, you can get 3000 plushies for $5 each ($15,000 in total) or you can make 5000 plushies for $4 each ($20,000 in total). Second option look expensive but actually far cheaper in the long run.

Now look at animation studio and composer fee. $5mil for 13 episodes with proper opening and closing songs is actually cheaper. Marine on the other hand only asking for high quality anime opening animation with one song. This will pull resources that's better for making 13 episodes show. So they charged Marine more for her project.

>>23673886
Actually, non-tv animation stuff apart from the openings/endings really costs way more than the norm, like 2x more expensive. A regular tv episode cut nets you 20 dollars (40 if you do both LO and Genga) at the minimum while a single cut on an opening will earn you at least twice the price. Then take in to the fact the complexity and the frame count, it being a music video, I don't doubt it costed Marine that much.

t. Animator

>>23609700
Everything changed after she completed Mario64 and took a break. Whatever happened during that break time was it

>>23613513
That's called "being a woman".

>>23639796
>kson's content will now be top tier since management and zhangs can no longer mess with her

>>23607962
when she did her first apex stream

>>23616195
Dude, Rosemi has had like 3 different iteration of vtubers, she might change around how often she streams in the future but she will always be around to stream something that she enjoys.

>>23625608
I didn't say ambitious, I said gura is lazy and will be forgotten as soon as her 15 minutes are up.

>>23619371
Since absolute retards who know jack shit about music production felt the need to share their worthless and unqualified opinion on matters they don't understand.

>>23670321
>What are even trying to say? I just said that judging her as an idol is logical
>logical
What does logic have to do with this? Sure some people may choose to involve themselves in the idol aspect of say, Korone. But do you really think every single person who watches Korone knows or cares that? That they've bought merch? Watched even a single idol performance? Fuck no. Korone as a streamer is far more popular. There's a reason why this shit is contained to /vt/ and /jp/. It's because idolfags like you are a menace to society.

Remember when people said Kson had unique “content” which was her showing her ass that one time.

>>23608101
yeah it was kind of a wonder to watch
at least ame recovered, but gura is just in a sad fucking state now

>>23671083
Nice cope SEAnig.

I am convinced people in /vt/ just hate vtubers. What is the point of this thread other than to just hate on random people?

>>23676095
>Cope, sheet. etc etc
Is that your only vocabulary? I guess your brain is too tiny to squeeze in some more INT.

>>23676734
Someone once pointed out that /vt/ would be a much different place if the people here had object permanence. I'd add to that, most people here are just looking for the newest dopamine rush. It's why you can't take critique about someone getting better or worse seriously. Did they get better, or did you just start actually watching them? Are they worse, or did you change?

>>23676734
>random people
It’s mainly hololive being talked about and yes a lot of them are boring.

>>23676734
Because actual /vt/ fans are actually well contained in their Oshi's general. Those generals tend to be pretty peaceful and fun. The rest of /vt/ threads are dramafags looking for the next angry dopamine rush.

>>23607962
I can't quite pinpoint when exactly I started to feel this way, but I've been quite disenchanted with NijiEN as a whole for a while now. Something about the group's dynamic or attitude doesn't vibe well with me anymore and keeps me from watching them. Which sucks a lot, because I still like Elira and Selen and would like to give the others, especially from the later gens, a fair chance too.

>>23677013
cope

>>23675343
That was one fat, pale ass. She should do it more often. Like a giant white peach, my god.

>>23674469
Thank you animator anon for far more detailed and deeper insight into animation cost.

So yeah guys, animation is expensive and taking a lot of time. Keep that in mind when you complaining about the next season taking forever to produce.

>>23607962
Mori's debut but unironically

>>23682410
Are you sure it's not just typical response to Male NijiEN collab?

>>23661306
spoonfeed please?

>>23676734
Shut the fuck up, retard.