/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Projecting

Is this the new "Learn Japanese" thread?

>>2377366
Please speak English correctly, Eslchama.

>>2377366
I had to stop doing my reps due to moving. I got as far as starting to learn kanji which is annoying.

>>2377470
No it's the cope thread.

>>2377470
Yes.

>>2377366

>>2377366
>君だけ日本語分からないぜ

I'm ESL so I can't be an EOP by default. I also did a semester abroad in Japan so while I can't read Japanese to a high capacity I can understand spoken language well enough

I just enjoy cute noises. Make me.

>>2377509
As a slavanon I can confirm

>>2377366
>You will never be Japanese

>>2377366
ピキピキピーマンです

>>2377366
I don't know japanese, I just know I'd rather watch a cute girl play great old SEGA games than listen to amerimutts rant about politics ever 0.0001s while playing AAA american shit

Today I will remind them

>>2377366
The truth is that anons use discords that have one guy who understands JP.

>>2377652
え?英語できなくてすまない

Being EOP in the vtuber context is more about being obnoxious and posting in English even when the vtuber can't understand a single word of what you're saying.

>>2377832
To be fair most of the english spammers who are ESLs who only know the memes.

See also
>Come to Brazil
>Greetings from [Country]

>>2377706
>moonrunes lmao

>>2377901
Real chads spam in viking runes

>>2377509
what the fuck are slav symbols?

>>2377626
>than listen to amerimutts rant about politics ever 0.0001s while playing AAA american shit
you've never actually watched an American streamer if this is what you think they're like

>>2377706
You will never be japanese.

try having more than 70 IQ OP. Im enjoying all the streams with a few months of Japanese classes and 10+ years of anime vocabulary.

I've also learned English and German the same way. Just figure out the grammar and then work on vocabulary.
Fuck kanji. You dont need that shit for watching streams

>>2377973
Latin, Azbuka and Asomtavruli, Nuskhuri and Mkhedruli used in Georgia

>>2378083
Cringe larp

>>2377957
You mean Elder Futhark you casual?

>>2378083
The only words in any language you need are insults, the word for foreigner and some combination of "Call the cops" and "I don't speak [Language]

>>2378135
not cyrillic?

>>2378196
I am way south of the Vikings, I have an excuse.
I'm more Hussite, less Viking lol

>>2378083
>few months of Japanese classes
should've read tae kim instead
>10+ years of anime vocabulary
watching english subbed anime doesn't count as learning japanese
>Fuck kanji. You dont need that shit for watching streams
lol have fun being illiterate

>>2378214
Azbuka is modern Cyrillic, if I recall

>>2378022
関係が何?

>>2378282
Pretty sure he could read the phonetised japanese no?

>>2378262
I'm not even from that continent, I'm just a nerd.

>>2377470
はい、せんぱい

>>2378298
fair enough, I don't know much about Slav culture

>>2377366
no one is pretending to udnerstand japanese. we are self aware

>>2377366
I'm an eop and proud of it

>>2377366
True, but I hope my will for wanting to enjoy things makes me push through learning it. I had a realization the other day that I don’t enjoy anything western anymore and I’m tired of waiting for shit to be translated.

>>2377366
First, there's a large difference between "understanding japanese" and speaking it fluently. Only a handful of people claim the latter, and I'm inclined to believe them if they've been at it for a few years.

Speaking for myself, I don't care if someone doesn't want to spend any effort learning what the random sounds made by their chuubas mean, but I care if they 1. shit up the chat (>>2377897), or 2. feel some kind of superiority about being the lowest kind of weeb there is.

>>2377366
I don't pretend to understand Japanese fully. Why do I have to be fluent to enjoy their content? I know enough words to get the context. I don't need anything else. But I don't participate in chat anyway. I don't even participate in chat for english streamers. Chat is shit.

>>2377366
it's okay if you don't know japanese just don't come here spinning narratives about japanese vchuubas because you don't get 99% of the shit they talk about on streams and only rely on clip knowledge which often tend to be cherrypicked, outdated and unreliable at times.

>>2377366
Okay EOP.

>>2378083
>Fuck kanji. You dont need that shit for watching streams
Retard you do

>>2377366
EOP is used like "newfag" at least half of the time

Reminder that even if you don't know japanese if you know a secondary language you're not an EOP by definition.
Please take a moment to reflect on the poor life of monolingual mouthbreathers that will never challenge their brain and remain an stereotypical burger/bong all their lives.

>>2380597
Learn Japanese.

>>2380597
>native language is the best of the world
>somehow learning other useless languages makes you smarter
Knowing other languages is a hobby, anon. Once you know English, it's all you need.

>>2381123
No. I thought you were swans.

N5s really have huge egos these days. Does that comes by default when you start learning the language? It's amazing how arrogant some people become once they can understand a mere 正直 or 状況 when they watch their run of the mill battle shounen.

I fucking wish 95% of posters on /vt/ were EOPs, the amount of ESLs on this board gives me a headache.

>>2377366
Brainlet studying for n2 here. I can understand like 70% of what they're saying, depending on which vtuebr. I still watch engsub clips mostly.

>>2377523
lol crippled

>>2381123
>implying english is a needed language
I could go through my entire life without speaking it burgerchama. Learning english is as much of an hobby as any other language

>>2377366
Acting like most Holos use any kind of advanced japanese is a mark of a thinly veiled EOP

>>2383315
BUT YOU DIDN'T!

>>2378298
Azbuka is the alphabet. Cyrillic is the script.

t. Slavfag

베이스드

>>2378528
neither do they

>>2377544
based

I’d understand it faster if they spaced their fucking words. Like I can read 98% of hiragana but it’s just jumbled sounds to me still

>>2383862
clench

>>2377652
based

>>2377652
EOP are no better than attention whore. Bragging how they only watch clips and this and that. Just ignore these losers just like how their favorite oshi's do whenever they type in chat.

People hate EOP's because they are literal cretins that obsess over rrats and trivial shit, because what else will they do? Discuss the livesteams they don't understand? Most translations are also laughably bad. You literally can't browse this board unless you're AT LEAST N3.

I'm still trying to learn Japanese but I'm getting to the point where I don't really get why I'm spending so much time on learning a language of a country I won't ever live in.

>>2377366
I'm not an EOP, but since the only vtuber that uses Spanish at all is Mousey and that's just a tiny bit, I'd might as well be one. I'm honestly just not that interested in getting into learning Japanese when there's other languages that appeal to me more, like Russian.

>>2381123
Reine learned quickly that her Anglo veiwers had zero interest in learning Indo. It's one of the least necessary languages on Earth in spite of huge population of native speakers.
English, French, Mandarin, German, and Russian can pretty much get you anywhere that matters.

>>2386019
>You literally can't browse this board unless you're AT LEAST N3
Yes I can.

>>2385901
EOPs don't actually brag about just watching clips though. If they do, it's just to troll because only /jp/ cares about clip watching.

I think part of the problem of the term EOP is that it has such a broad definition. I don't think /jp/ posters actually hate all EOPs (that is: someone who doesn't know Japanese); they just use it to insult people they don't like who also happen to fall under the definition of EOP because they don't know Japanese.

Take >>2386019
I bet there are people who are fluent in Japanese who will still talk about rrats and memes, because it's part of the community. They're not EOPs though, because they know Japanese.

>>2377366
>Why does everyone here pretend they understand Japanese? I guarantee at least 95% of you all are EOPs.
You may be right, but just who do you think you're impressing here by saying this?

>>2386054
With that mindset you should just give up. I'm actually interested in their culture. Big surprise. I like the way Japanese talk and how polite they are. I want to be able to understand their manga's and animes. Also I really want to read books like "moon over the mountain" and "no longer human."
But most importantly, I want to know what Subura is saying. I don't want to rely on translations.

>>2387612
Watching vtubers doesn't mean you have to be fluent in Japanese, though. Most vtubers don't talk in a complex way, especially during gameplay. You can still follow the steam if you have a beginner base and extract context. While that doesn't stop you from talking about rrats, that's what EOP's are all about - roommate shit and coomer threads.

>>2388399
Some Japanese people talk about roommates, and coomer shit.
You're projecting your dislikes onto EOPs.

>>2388680
Those we call antis. They've become quite efficient at weaponizing EOP retards. For what I care, both can die a painful death.

>>2386054
I'll help you out anon. Think of each language you could learn. Ok now do you actually consume anything in that language.
If the answer is yes then learning it is not a waste of time.

>>2387753
Subaru is saying "Shuba."

>>2389060
I want to know German drinking songs.

>>2388738
What about the people who talk about their roommates in a positive light?

>>2389964
Start drinking.

>>2389964
Check out Was wollen wir trinken by Die Bots. Even though they're a Dutch band, the song's in German, and is sung in Germany

>>2390143
*shrug*

watching vtubers has unironically helped me get much better at understanding spoken japanese. reading is still easier but at least i don't need subs for everything anymore. it's also very nice to actually understand what they're saying if i've got a stream playing in the background while i'm drawing or studying

Jap larpers are 10x worse than any eop. Eops just sit back and watch clips. Jap larpers assault eops and have a superiority complex on knowing n5 kanji

>>2378001
Delusional

i can use DeepL too

>>2390833
>Eops just sit back and watch clips
Untrue as they clog the chat with their barebones knowledge they got from clips

>>2390642
How do I get better at spoken? Does that come after understanding hiragana? Like I said earlier, I can read it pretty easily now, but it’s still just the sounds.

>>2390833
Lmao god you wish, stop coping it's embarrassing. EOPs are NOT what you think they are. They're the same retards who join Subaru's zatsudans and go "haha pls say quack" or Fubuki's stream and go "who is this cat vtuber".
They regurgitate every piece of puke clips throw their way and wonder why they're shunned constantly

>>2387753
No Longer Human sucks. Dumb doomer shit.

>>2377523
日本語わかんない奴はお前だけだろ

>>2377706
haha funny symbols

it's because EOPs don't do anything in the vtuber's chat other than spam memes because they don't understand what the streamer is saying. This behavior also carries over to any discussion that doesn't revolve around poorly translated out-of-context clips

>>2393470
ニホンゴはダレですカ???

>>2383315
english is the most important language in the world, zhangs btfo

95% of people who call others "eop" don't know japanese or at best know kana and some basic words and think they know shit.
i really really doubt there's more than a minority of people on this site who actually put the necessary effort into learning the language.
but it's okay, just keep larping so you can temporarily feel better about yourself.

>>2397902
ok EOP

>>2397902
It's a bunch of N5 thinking they can actually understand japanese and not just a few words here and there

>>2378333
>doesn't know when to use は or が
ngmi

>>2377652
This is just a flat out lie, or you've never seen a JP streamer's chat during Western waking hours.
>what did she say?
>ENG subs please?
>Can someone translate?
>Is anyone Brazilian?

わたしわもうすぐしぬつもり。。。です

you could just learn it
it's fun

>>2377509
Unironically post this on reddit for coco's meme review

>>2377509
your meme was shit until I got to one picture in the bottom row and laughed

>>2377366
Not 95% it's 99%. This board is not even a vtuber board. It's just a dumb Chinky rrat fabrication factory where 99% of the info is false.

>>2377706

あっ、すごい!
日本語上手ですね。

>>2392679
practice vocab and grammar, watch kids' anime and youtube videos and soon enough you'll be able to grasp the context of what vtubers are saying. if you're talking about actually speaking the language, try and find japanese people to talk to on the internet. either way what you should be doing when learning a language you engage with often is just doing the same thing you usually do (reading manga, watching anime or vtubers, listening to jpop) but while actively trying to understand what's being said in japanese and slowly switching to non-translated content
what really helps me is using anki for vocab and kanji memorization (check /djt/ on /int/ or /jp/ for a guide) and just... trying to engage with content that's above my current level by brute force.

>>2377366
>4chan
>everyone is a larping faggot.
suprise?

>>2404750
日本は長いんですか

>>2399515
うまい日本語教えてください先生

why are EOPs so afraid of learning another language?

>>2377366
日本語がわかりません

>>2404750
It's not a meme, I must've heard vtubers say this to their JSL viewers 100s of times at this point. There's just no way you can be so shocked and amazed EVERY SINGLE TIME you see a gaijin speak your language

>>2406337
I think it's just Japanese politeness. It's certainly not exclusive to vtubers. I'm sure they're happy people are trying to learn their language, but I agree it can't possibly be a surprise every time. They're just being kind, which I think is pretty nice.

>>2392853
don't care. still going to read it.

>>2377366
>95%
Try 99%, every time you see some retard complaining about english chat you can be 100% absolutely sure that they do not speak a lick japanese.

>>2400196
based yuichad
fun things are fun

My oshi wouldn't care if my Japanese wasn't fluent enough. Hell I don't think any of them care. You're all gay and probably have an EN oshi

>>2380597
Nearly half of the world's population is bilingual.
Knowing a second language doesn't make you special.

>>2414843
But not knowing it makes you seem dumb.

>>2377366
You think Understanding Japanese helps?

Choosing whether or not to learn Japanese is one thing but the amount of bitter retards trying to convince themselves they're proud of only knowing one language is top tier comedy

>understanding more languages = bad
this is your brain on being a native English speaker

>>2406337
>>2407583
I feel like it happens regardless of the country and language when people wants to be polite and make the foreigners feel less self conscious about the way they speak.

>>2377366
Can confirm this. I actually know Japanese and I started lurking 5ch and futaba much more than this place just because the people there actually know what the fuck they're talking about. Wouldn't be surprised if most people who know nip also do the same.

>>2417773
t. EOP

>>2417857
Calling someone an EOP for no reason besides spite is the easiest way to out yourself as one.

>>2377366
This nigga really made a whole thread just because someone called him an eop.

>>2404061
L*impdong?

>>2417882
t. EOP

>>2417882
Speaking another language is not a substitute for a personality, nor does it make you interesting.

>>2417773
Makes sense. I've heard 5ch is just as insane as us, is that true?

>Speaking another language is not a substitute for a personality, nor does it make you interesting.

>>2418823
Only if you lurk the anti-thread, that place is probably worse than anything in this board. The main thread (実況) with enforced IDs is actually pretty decent so long as there isn't a huge shitstorm going on, and the individual threads for holos can vary greatly from being good places for general discussion or funposting to being absolute garbage full of falseflagging and numberfagging. Of course there are always the occasional schizos and shitposters no matter where you go.

>>2377509
This but replace top with pic related

>>2419533
>dedicated anti thread

>>2380597
Your English is very good!

>>2419641
It's just a name really. It's better to think of it as the holo general without enforced IDs.

>>2397902
You are 100% right, but also cope

ESLs are the biggest argument against second language education. There is no way JSLs raised on anime are any better.

>>2419719
What's wrong with ESLs?

>>2417432
Could be. I think it's a nice gesture either way as long as it isn't overdone. Japanese is super hard so I'll happily take any white-lie compliments people give me.

>>2421619
They smell bad and are usually short

>>2422749
The thing is the majority of foreigners suck at Japanese and at pronouncing it. It's not hard to join the top 1%.

>>2377973
Cyrillic but my man lost half of his brain

>>2421619
>Schizo seafags that are dumb as rocks
>Stupid spanish/BRs that are extremely disrespectful in the worst ways you can imagine
>They make translation mistakes because they don't fully grasp either language
Yes, I wonder what's so wrong.

>>2377366
whats eop
also im half japanese so I actually do understand 95% of what they say (its not very difficult japanese anyway)

>>2415844
And boasting about it makes you look like an elitist asshole.
Which is ironic, because it's safe to assume that most of the people on this board learned Japanese so they could jerk off to cartoons.

>>2428358
Excuse me but I'll have you know I am learning japanese to jerk off to audio works AND cartoons. Don't lump me in with those cartoon-only mouth breathers.

>>2428358
cope
anglos get rightfully shat on for their ignorance because they take pride in it

>>2437343
Nothing screams "I'm an insecure faggot" louder than boasting about a skill that is so utterly mundane and commonplace.
Being able to speak Japanese puts you higher on the social totem pole than your average basement dwelling weeb.
But you're still close to the bottom.

>>2377366
かわいい
草
Do I really need to learn anything else?

>>2437703
cringe

>>2438298
あっ
ああああ
おおおお
すごい
助かる
[insert your oshi's custom greetings here]
ないすぅ
うまい
ひぇ
Now you're set to go.

日本語を上手くには方法がありますか?

>>2438809
>Now you're set to go.
Until he actually wants to tell the streamer something or wants to understand what the stream is saying. Just typing out some generic reactions in chat is not enough to properly communicate.

>>2377366
You don't need to understand Japanese. It's about the intent. If you limit yourself to translated clips, you're an EOP. If you watch streams and send messages entirely in English, you're an EOP.
If you watch streams, chat in Japanese (when speaking to Japanese), and try to understand the streamer, you're above "EOP" and just a good viewer. If the streamer can understand your English anyway, it's less of an issue.
The whole thing is a matter of conduct. EO is fine. EOP is lazy.

>>2437703
Those fags that try to boast that they speak or understand jap never post in chat btw. They're the biggest lurkers/larpers around.

>>2439092
No one has an issue with this but you. Seems like you should remove yourself from the equation.

>>2439129
>No one has an issue with this but you.
If that was true, OP wouldn't have made the thread. I'm just plainly stating what I believe the issue is.

>>2438942
毎日勉強して、聞いて、読んで、どんどんうまくになります。

And then after you do that for years, spend 10 minutes second guessing basic grammar you learned a year ago before sending any message. Just like I'm doing now. Such is the joys of japanese.

>this thread
nihongo jozu!

>>2439238
OP is a fucking Hispanic/BR/Sea (usually and always is one of these) that's mad no one wants him so he lashes out at big dick, big money English viewers.

>>2439299
It's possible for English viewers to learn Japanese. I suggest you start.

>>2439249
Actually, the correct grammar is うまくなる, not うまくになる.

>>2439493
That has nothing to do with what I just posted.

>>2439249
Funny because I was also trying to learn German and felt the same way. Then I remembered...Kiara. Just kidding, I wanted to live in Germany for a while then COVID blew up.

>>2439554
I had a feeling I fucked something up but couldn't place what it was. No に after い-adjectives. Thanks anon, I seriously appreciate the correction.

>>2377366
Where do I stand if I can understand the gist of what they're talking about but is nowhere near fluent?

>>2439751
"Viewer".

>>2439299
You cant cope your way out by throwing boogeymen until it sticks, fatman-kun.

>>2377366
How cute
The EOP believes it's not subhuman.

>>2377366
They want to be Japaneese

>>2377477
His English was better than yours anonchama.

>>2377366
ロリコンだから日本語を勉強して、流暢じゃなくてもなんとかなくできると思う。
書くとか聞くが下手でこの投稿したポストに間違いダラケと思っても読むのはできる人だ。
沢山のエロゲーや漫画を読むのせいで日本語の能力が上がった。
それに子供の腹も胸がエロ過ぎて幼いマンコを犯したくて堪らない。
俺を縛らない限り世界の子供が危険になっていていつか狂って本物の子供を狙う。
冗談じゃない本気だ

Nani the fuck did you just fucking iimasu about watashi, you chiisai bitch desuka? Watashi’ll have anata know that watashi graduated top of my class in Nihongo 3, and watashi’ve been involved in iroirona Nihongo tutoring sessions, and watashi have over sanbyaku perfect test scores. Watashi am trained in kanji, and watashi is the top letter writer in all of southern California. Anata are nothing to watashi but just another weaboo. Watashi will korosu anata the fuck out with vocabulary the likes of which has never been mimasu’d before on this continent, mark watashino fucking words. Anata thinks anata can get away with hanashimasing that kuso to watashi over the intaaneto? Omou again, fucker. As we hanashimasu, watashi am contacting watashino secret netto of otakus across the USA, and anatano IP is being traced right now so you better junbishimasu for the ame, ujimushi. The ame that korosu’s the pathetic chiisai thing anata calls anatano life. You’re fucking shinimashita’d, akachan.

>>2440429
お巡りさん、こいつです

Three semesters in and my handwriting is still terrible

>>2440257
Sunk cost fallacy is one hell of a drug.

>>2439776
Not fat and it's already proven that it's spics. Nice try.

>>2442815
I've seen much worse from natives. Who cares about handwritting anyway?

I don't get why you faggots bother to learn to write or speak Japanese when all you want to do is listen to your oshi speak eleven.
Just learn to listen and understand and fuck the rest.
I spent so fucking long learning stroke order, proper sentence structure, 2000+ kanji and it's completely useless to me because i don't live in japan or communicate in it.
My main goal was to play japanese games and read manga and light novels, so I stopped bothering to type, write, even speak japanese and just focused on reading it, because of that I can play any video game I want now and even finished light novels and manga of stuff that wasn't translated, if I didn't focus I'd spend way way more time doing shit that I wouldn't use.

Save yourself potential years of your life, focus on what you want to learn Japanese for. Yeah it's cool to be well versed in it all, but if you're never gonna write or speak japanese, the fuck is the point in improving at it?

>>2443122
I agree that learning to write is useless, but learning Japanese without learning how to read sounds like it would be even more difficult.

>>2443122
unmedicated schizos here think all this effort of learning Japanese in-depth will bring them closer to their oshi, meanwhile there are lots of hot girls in their countries just waiting for them to man up and take the lead.

>>2377366
I'm the 5%

>>2377366
I Mean i am not an EOP because i know Spanish as well, so i just like to see the discussion between the 2 from a distance

>>2443122
I Think people that care about learning all of it are people that just care about being generally well versed, but is true you can just focus on why do you want to learn it, i personally would like to learn how to speak read and understand it but i don't really care about learning how to hand-write it at most i care about how to write it on the Internet

>>2380166
>But I don't participate in chat anyway. I don't even participate in chat for english streamers. Chat is shit.
Fucking finally someone said it, why do people pretend to give a shit about how Chat is? chat is garbage for any entertainer with a minimum of viewership

>>2387612
Yeah pretty much, a lot of times when people complain about "EOPs" they talk about a very specific type of viewer that doesn't really apply to all EOPs and it could even apply to a lot of viewers that can speak fluent Japanese

>>2443389
Not when my oshi reads and understands my comment.

>>2443345
If you want to learn kanji beyond the most used ones, you might benefit from learning to write by hand since it should help to remember the radicals.

>>2377509
>limbong made it
holy shit, kek

>>2377652
dangerously based. I thought of doing a bit of learning but I quickly realized its not worth it when the world bends the knee to EOPs.

the best part, you even have pissed of translators who get mad at bad translations & post correct ones just to cater to EOPs.

"we" run the vtuber industry.

>>2377366
Why are EoPs so retarded that they can't even fathom the idea of someone learning japanese? Like seriously, it took my less than 2 years to be able to watch live vtubers and understand most of what they're saying

>>2447047
>>2377652
That's why I stopped doing translations a long time ago.
Why even make efforts for all these lazy ungrateful shits? Maybe, if I stop it, I would find time not only for Japanese but also for real life.

being an EOP, I have gained superpowers in understanding my japanese chuuba's emotions. I can tell how she's feeling based on the intonation of her words even though I cant speak that language for shit.

at the end of the day, women's sounds are global. period. their sighs, their giggles, laughs, etc are all understandable if you're not a virgin and have experience with women.

I dont know how much virgin EOPs can understand JP girls & their feelings but I'm sure they have a limiter compared to people who have experience with women.

>>2442815
>Actually believing that traditional classes are an effective way to learn a language
I found your problem.
But seriously, you'd better be supplementing your studies with a LOT more practice and vocab study than they're giving you in your classes, otherwise you will literally make no progress towards actually knowing Japanese.

>>2447686
It's like that will all languages
Step 1: Learn by studying traditionally
Step 2: Practice by talking, reading or listening
Step 3: Repeat

>>2443122
>I don't get why you faggots bother to learn to write or speak Japanese when all you want to do is listen to your oshi speak eleven.
Because that's not the only thing I want to do. Just in relation to vtubers I want to actually be able to properly chat with the streamer.

Someone break out the picture of smug goku for these delusional idiots.

>>2443122
Because it's fun and I hope one day, years from now, someone finally asks me how long I've been living in Japan instead of おおおお日本語上手ですね!

It'll never happen but I'm allowed to dream.

>>2449792
>trying to fish for a specific complement
Why are foreigners like this?

>>2377366
Do you really find it surprising that people obsessed with Japanese culture would be able to understand the language?

>>2451396
>getting filtered by dogen of all people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFo0H_STV5w

>>2457979
That's not what filtered means.