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>Ollie cancelled her xollab stream with Kaela
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE /vt/???? She is definitely /here/ and read you retarded post. Y'all happy now, fucker?
FUCK YOU

>> No.24551107

>>24551026
M CHAN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE SEND THAT FUCKER TO JAIL THIS TIME, I DON'T WANNA THAT "LOVE LETTER" CRAP LIKE WHAT YOU SEND TO PREVIOUS DUMBFUCK.

>> No.24551162

ollie is such a pussy jesus christ what do these fucking managers at this company do its actually embarrassing

>> No.24551194 [DELETED] 

>>24551162
this is all on ollie for egosearching on discord and facebook

>> No.24551204
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24551204

>>24551026
reminder that all it takes are just few mean comments to make ollie's mental goes boom

>> No.24551230

>>24551162
show us your résumé anon

>> No.24551233

>>24551204
That’s like 99% of vtubers. The ugly fatasses are behind anime avatars for a reason

>> No.24551244

>>24551026
Back from my grave, what Ollie cant avoid?

>> No.24551276

>>24551233
> ugly fatasses
no need to bring up your mom in this thread anon

>> No.24551308

we need flags and IDs (identification) on this board

>> No.24551314

>>24551244
Her mental state.

>> No.24551332

>>24551230
shut the fuck you ape, go shill cover somewhere else, the management at this company is pure dogshit, they suck at man management, they don't reign in the talent when they go full streamer brain, they don't diffuse situations, literally neck yourself faggot.

>> No.24551373

>>24551332
>unemployed
what happened anon? Get your life together, time won't wait for you

>> No.24551408

>>24551332
t. Fandead

>> No.24551417

>>24551026
based, i will gloriously bask in this victory over zomfatty. Kobo will save the branch from dick sucking malefaggets

>> No.24551422

>>24551026
>MOST INFLUENTIAL BOARD
MOST INFLUENTIAL BOARD
>MOST INFLUENTIAL BOARD
MOST INFLUENTIAL BOARD
>MOST INFLUENTIAL BOARD
MOST INFLUENTIAL BOARD

>> No.24551434

>>24551204
>Get into Hololive
>"tee hee I'm going to destroy idol culture and make everyone watch the homostars"
>yubigate happens
>fall into instant irrelevancy as all the nomies who claim they love homos, but actually don't, drop you like a bag of shit for the new gfe hotness
Sad bu predictable

>> No.24551489

>>24551026
hey friends

>> No.24551496

>>24551194
What happened this time?

>> No.24551562

>>24551496
People on Facebook calling her a leech

>> No.24551568
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>>24551204
Kobo is the one living under Ollie's shadow...literally, but for real she needs to understand Kobo is the Gura killer and leeching off her success isn't something to be ashamed of

>> No.24551574

>>24551026
M-Chan or holoID member i know you all are here.
please tell Ollie or whoever they are that lurk /vt/ to stop coming over here.
it will just damage your sanity. stick to facebook or twitter or tiktok even.
i don't want any of the ID member got down just because anon's shitpost.

>> No.24551620

>>24551332
Get a load of this insecure faggot.

>> No.24551665

>>24551332
name a real vtuber company that's managed better than cover

>> No.24551683

>>24551332
Mental breakdown live on 4chan? Don't forget to film and upload if you end yourself

>> No.24551759

>>24551332
Damn bro, Ollie and Cover management must be hurt you so much that you went full menhera like this

>> No.24551842

>>24551562
Once upon a time Ollie was the powerhouse of ID and she threw it all away to play APEX with Astel. What a retard

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>>24551026
>>24551107
>>24551194
>>24551204
>>24551233
>>24551244
>>24551373
>>24551417
>>24551422
>>24551434
>>24551562
>>24551568
>>24551574
>>24551665
>>24551759

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>>24551434
Watching how Mika and Nina assimilate fujo audience, I think HomoEN would unironically save her.

>> No.24551995

>>24551842
Never have been

>> No.24552014

>>24551915
>Mika
Fujos hate her. Even on NijiEN thread people were celebrating her getting banned.

>> No.24552073

>>24551915
>Assimilate
Nina quite literally only gets views because people expect the boys to hop into VC with her because she's that much of a shameless leech. No one watches her stream for her, same with Mika, otherwise their fucking bath stream would've gotten a hell of a lot more views/

>> No.24552107

Ollie if you're here I'll have sex with you, just send me a sign.

>> No.24552154

>>24551995
Ollies incline was rapid. She's still the 2nd most subbed ID even after sabotaging her own channel months ago. If she didn't try to push the unityfagging so hard she'd be the most popular ID by far. It's hard to overemphasize just how badly her APEX and homofagging hurt her in terms of audience. She made the classic mistake of confusing greynames who go "yaaaas slay kween" with people who watch streams.

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>>24552073
Case in point, their bathing stream yesterday where the boys could not join in got real bad numbers.

>> No.24552239

>>24551434
Her decline happened months after yubigate.

>> No.24552292

>>24551026
>y'all happy now?
damn, right i am!

>> No.24552299

>>24551026
>have thousands of supporters and infinite money
>get depressed and do retarded shit because 10 strangers on the internet called you a dumb whore
why are women like this?

>> No.24552372

Genuinely wondering what the reacting is going to be when Kobo first collabs with a male

>> No.24552374

>>24552233
>boys join bathing stream
they might as well at this point

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24552404

>>24552239
>yubigate

>> No.24552480 [DELETED] 

>>24551332
Have you murdered your mom yet, you braindead faggot

>> No.24552509

>>24551026
Who and who?

>> No.24552562

>>24551026
zomkeks can't stop losing, she's learned a lesson, and that's to not trust them.

>>24551842
of course she's retarded, she's not even 20. Honestly on some level I wish people would make allowances for her age, she's young and dumb, but life is unfair like that I know. Hopefully she stops trying to pull other people and their fanbases into male collabs at some point.

>> No.24552604

>>24552374
kek just imagine.

>> No.24552632

>>24551026
I can't believe you still think /vt/ is relevant. Every time this happens with Ollie we know it's because she's been reading SEA Facebook. As retarded as it is, they're far more of an influence on her as she actually is there while she has next to no clue who we are.

>> No.24552651

>>24552604
They could always just say they are using bathing suits. (They would not be using bathing suits.)

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>>24551204
>>24551233
>>24551434
>>24551568
>>24551861
>it's literally one seanigger making ars donations
https://wesave.chat/user/UCfYesmMKmlYKBfh5l3UkJCA

>> No.24552757

everyone dropped her like a hot potato after being the most accessible Hololive member lol

>> No.24552800

>>24552651
bathing suits become euphemism for condoms
bath bombs become euphemism for birth control pill
shampoo becomes euphemism for money shot in hair

>> No.24552856

>>24551332
kek, your insecurities are leaking, anon.

>> No.24552866

>>24552709
A singe guy made Ollie lose her minds? Pretty based

>> No.24552867

>>24552709
this

>> No.24552886

>>24551026
How long till Ollie commits rope over a mean comment

>> No.24552911 [DELETED] 

>>24552866
seaniggers send multiple ars supas, often from multiple accounts. And Ollie's very keen to take the bait.

>> No.24552928

>>24552709
>Didn’t even need $250
I kneel

>> No.24552955
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24552955

>>24551026

>> No.24552988 [DELETED] 

>>24551332
>guy insults, not the girls, not the streams, not the staff, but the garbage middle management the talents themselves constantly complain about
>the same management where there's ample evidence from Coco to Marine to Rushia to Shion to Mel that they are useless at best and dangerous at worst
>instantly a horde of SEAniggers shows up to white-knight for their fat balding Japanese salaryman middle manager oshis
What is the cure for such disorders? What level of underage NEET must one be operating on to defend fucking middle management, the scum of the fucking earth second only to HR in being corporate guillotine fodder?

>> No.24553042

>>24552911
Mori and Ollie are alike
kek

>> No.24553056

>>24551332
>>24552988
did you bother to change IP at least?

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24553130

>>24551026
I'm an anti just for the laugh and to vent but I'm starting to feel bad, do we actually have an impact outside of the board? I was just having fun shitposting, they aren't reading here are they? I feel like stopping being an anti now

>> No.24553208

>>24553130
To some extent yes. It goes without saying but the talents aren’t going to rely on a site like Reddit that is filled with nothing but sycophants. Some will probably go here just to seek any form of criticism.

>> No.24553213

>>24553130
In this case it is 100% indo FB.

>> No.24553234

>>24553042
except Ollie spends entire membership streams ranting about haters, while mori is usually too high and drunk to even understand what's happening around her.

>> No.24553239

>>24553130
For starters, we're probably the only place besides twitter that can shit on chuubas anonymously

>> No.24553270

>>24553130
Facebook is big in Indonesia. They break containment, and this shit happens. You know whose blame it is

>> No.24553276

>>24553130
No, you can continie being an anti. Remember, when it's about ID chubbas - it's almost 100% Facebook.

>> No.24553304

>>24553270
>>24553276
>>24553213
name of group, anon?
i still have my old account.

>> No.24553344

>>24553130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBi9OTWCa5w
Reflect on life anon

>> No.24553352

>>24553130
This board is mainly just a fuel, people breaking containment on another platform and they read our shitpost there

>> No.24553353

>>24553304
wish I knew. I only know that they break containment there

>> No.24553363

>>24552709
Reine-hime. Handle this faggot.

>> No.24553385

remember only ollie the first ID who is goes to therapy using company money

>> No.24553433

>>24552709
Man, Reine should've just send her hitmen or thugs to make this man disappear in the planet.

>> No.24553451

>>24553352
Wait so they leak it here then containment break on fb? I legit thought it's the opposite

>> No.24553462

>>24553385
Job causes the stress and breakdown so it makes sense for the company to cover the expense. Does your job in Indoland not cover your expenses if you get injured while working? Even here in Murrica we have that and workman's compensation.

>> No.24553511

im used to be ollie anti because she brings zen (a male 2view vtuber with yab stuff) to kobo , but ngl i do feel bad now , even tho i never sent hate sc to ollie, ofc.

>> No.24553529

>>24553353
>wish I knew
So in other word "dudeeee trust me its them xD"

>> No.24553553

>>24551026
>Ollie cancelled her xollab stream with Kaela
FUCK YEAH!!! GOOD NEWS!!!
Ollie please don't taint Kaela please.

>> No.24553557

>>24553529
don't try to save face

>> No.24553582

>>24553276
pretty sure she lurk here, indo dont have a dedicated antis group unlike pinoy, and holoid group mods quick at removing bait/drama post

>> No.24553589

>>24553385
here if you go to therapy and your coworkers know you will be exiled from the circle of friends, this is really happening here, and you will be branded as a "weak person"

>> No.24553592

>>24553462
Vtuber is not real job.

>> No.24553614

>>24553462
Unless you are in Texas. Anyway stress or other psychological related comp is notoriously difficult to get because, unlike say a machine cutting off a hand, its impossible to ever claim that your employment was the only thing causing you stress and hard to prove that it was the primary cause of your stress.

>> No.24553628

>>24553462
wrong quote
>>24553589

>> No.24553634

>>24553557
Just asking for the source/proof.

>> No.24553764
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24553764

>>24553130
Anon, I want you to imagine that you're a pretty well-known niche content creator who does something called vtubing. Somewhere on the internet is a publicly visible, anonymous message board that is by far the most active fan community discussing things pertaining to your line of work. They have a (perhaps unwarranted) reputation as being extremely harsh and critical. You don't need to register an account to view or even to interact with this place. Do you really think anyone could resist just coming and having a peek once in a while? Knowing Ollie, do you think she'd be able to do it in a hands-off way, knowing that this place offers her an actual opportunity to interact with fans in a truly anonymous fashion? Even just a little, maybe even just one post?

They do it anon, probably not as much as some people think, but the ID girls especially are aware of /vt/. If you watch them with any regularity then you would know that.

>> No.24553798

>>24553451
fbfags believes anything you screenshot from this board, make it worse themselves and blame us if anything goes wrong

>> No.24553836

>>24553634
>Attention 】 We have confirmed that the act of contamination of good name is the dissemination of incorrect information and clarification with bad intentions that violates privacy, as well as affecting the talent activities of hololive Indonesia. We take seriously actions that can disrupt our talent activities. Especially in cases where bad intentions are found in the statement, we can take strict action and consider legal action. COVER Corporation will continue to take action against defamation of good name and keep all members of "hololive production" for the sake of continuing pleasant interaction with fans. We thank all the fans for their support and cooperation.
Facebook is infested with ID

>> No.24553848

>>24553764
>the most active fan community
If true then jesus christ vtubing is really in the shitter.

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>>24551026
Good.

>> No.24553880 [DELETED] 

>>24551204
>cropping the fact it's only one SEAnig stirring drama

kill yourself

>> No.24553935

>>24551562
Source?
I join holoid fangroup there no drama there

>> No.24553951

>>24551026
Sorry guys, Ollie had to cancel because she needs emergency sex. With me.

>> No.24553962

What starting class did Moona pick and what did she say she wanted to play as?

>> No.24553972

>>24551332 you can do better >>24540353

>> No.24553987

>>24553935
>fangroup
that's the difference. These are not fans of anyone

>> No.24554023

>>24553798
I see Its just that I thought Its them fb tourists dramaposting using their content instead of them using 4ch content for bait fagging on fb

>> No.24554064

>>24553836
>Attention.......
That happened on JP too, so nothing new
>Facebook is infested with ID
Source on that?

>> No.24554112

>>24551233
/thread

>> No.24554162

>>24553935
Just do your rep. IIRC they even have an anti vtuber group on FB.

>> No.24554205

listen if that not Ollie still read this thread, her mother will do. so be nice and say "Hi" to her.

>> No.24554245

>>24554064
Anon the statement was released on Facebook only, for ID specifically, and it was in March. You know what happened in March? HoloID3 debuts. If you can't put 2 and 2 together the not sure what else to say other than kys faggot.

>> No.24554261

>>24554162
Thats just Pinoy groups

>> No.24554294

>>24554162
Iknow hell group but there no viral post abaout oli

>> No.24554347

>>24553130
>I'm an anti just for the laugh
I never got this mentality desu

>> No.24554356

>>24554162
That's pagpag eater.

>> No.24554462

>>24554356
Not only that he's baiting for the group link so he can join them. SEA really should be range banned

>> No.24554616

>>24553592
It is.
>>24553589
I'm not big on everyone going to therapy myself but it is necessary at times. Any lower IQ culture will see mental issues as being weakness because they only care about physical prowess.
>>24553614
>Unless you are in Texas
States are laboratories of democracy. Don't like it? Leave. And yeah, it's hard to prove but sometimes the menhera can't be contained and it's obvious the person needs so help.

>> No.24554657

https://twitter.com/kureijiollie/status/1527287116887367680

>> No.24554684

>>24554347
Herd mentality. Like with Kiara antis. Only a small percentage actually hated her.

>> No.24554708

>>24554657
SHE'S /HERE/

>> No.24554722

>>24553848
For better or worse, words spoken here are VERY unfiltered. Some people wanted the bitter medicine to improve theirselves. They need to be careful though so it do not become poison instead.

>> No.24554762

I LOVE YOU OLLIE PLEASE LET ME SNIFF YOUR POO HOLE

>> No.24554867 [DELETED] 

>>24554657
I'm getting Nijisanji discord leak from that tweet.

>> No.24554874

>>24551026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpcmzSql7bU&ab_channel=GojoSharkClipper
Right now, she is insecure after being beaten by Kohai

>> No.24555000

>>24554874
Did Ollie forget she was the Kobo in Gen 2? She blew past her senpai in subs in similar fashion so now she understands how her senpai felt. It never is good to count other people's money/subs/ccv/etc. You do you.

>> No.24555014

truly menhera isnt she, no wonder back then M-chan prevent her from lurking /here/, shes thin af

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>>24554657
kek she almost slipped up

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24555084

>>24554657
Seethe. Leech. You're just as bad as the nijiniggers.

>> No.24555219

>>24555014
She's too damn honest. You don't need to say you feel jealous or worried about your numbers to chat. Just publicly support them and over time you get over your insecurity.

>> No.24555252

>>24553352
Not fuel. We're the goddamn flint.
But apparently, everyone uses that flint to burn some forests.

>> No.24555308

Menhera is good, I don't even pay attention to Vtubers that aren't menhera.
Thankfully all women are menhera, some just hide it better than others.

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>>24554657

Go blame Youtube Ollie the zomturd
If you fucking sad, cry more bitch
It’s okay to live under Kobo shadow
Ollie’s even worse than the membership leak
Of fucking course Ollie’s a leech

OT.
>New swimsuit who dis
What a motherfucking whore

>> No.24556144

>random garbage non chuuba reaction gif
>IPhone filename
>low-quality shitpost
Yeah this guy is a legit board regular, not a tourist at all...

>> No.24556224

>>24553130
Are you happy now? I was neutral about Ollie before but I feel compelled to support her these days.

>> No.24556493

>>24555063
too shi-?

>> No.24556599

>>24554657
Make me

>> No.24556778

>>24551026
get fuck idolfag

>> No.24556979

>>24551204
I feel like this is unnecessarily rude towards Kobo, who thinks the world of Ollie. Imagine your senpai being this resentful of you just because you are having a bit of post-debut afterglow. Does Ollie really not remember that she was literally the Kobo of her gen?

>> No.24557472

>>24556979
shes dumb please andastand

>> No.24557481

>>24553363
>>24553433
lmao dont bring Reine name to this shit.

>> No.24557557

>>24557481
I will. What will you do, you bitch ass nigga?

>> No.24557610

>>24552604
>Sounds of door rattling
>Lock being picked on the other side
>Door bursts open
>Blindfolded Vox, Mysta and Luca stand in the doorway and fling several assorted bath bombs and water balloons in the general direction of the tub before fleeing

>> No.24557642

>>24553764
>>24553848
the Hololive reddit, in its entirety gets about 1600 posts per day now. /vt/ gets like 60,000 posts a day, sometimes more. also /jp/ still exists and like half the traffic there is /hlg/ so the total volume of chubba vtubber discussion on this site is more like 65k+ a day. You know what that is? 40x the post volume of the holo reddit. 40x. everything else is untrackable in discord groups/random little twitter threads but public space vs public space no we're the big one. by a longshot.

>> No.24557714

>>24556979
How is it rude to Kobo?

>> No.24557926

>>24557642
The virtualyoutuber, vshoujo, nijisanji and all the various 2view subreddits also exist. You can do the numbers if you want, (I think 3.2k is probably a safe upper bound) but they should be included. 5k a day a day is also a little generous for /jp/ but there is the /trash/ thread as well to make up for it.

>> No.24557958

>>24557714
It isn't. Dramasisters are just smelling blood in the water and are trying to make mountains out of molehills again.
It worked with Rushia, but comically backfired with Mori. Ollie is the deciding point in the Drama vs Holodeath battle.

>> No.24558004

>>24557714
If you read between the lines it basically reads "stop comparing me to kobo" but it also could be interpreted as "stop talking about kobo around me" which looks kind of dicey. This being followed up right away by bringing up leeching kind of suggests where her mind is at, that she's insecure about it etc.

I wouldn't say it's being mean to Kobo, but it's a bit of pushback reminding the audience the other HoloIDs do exist and are aware that Kobo is a total phenomenon blowing out the rest of the branch (actually the entire ID vtuber scene) and don't want their existence to just be a waiting room for Kobo's fans when Kobo isn't streaming. Given how Kobo is so fucking popular so quickly and has a lot of word spreading about her outside of the vtubing crowd, probably many if not most of her fans are new to Hololive and/or vtubers in general and don't have the care or mental space to consider Holo as a team instead of The Kobo Company (and some other people).

>> No.24558156

>>24551204
why does she even have to share this in her membership in the first place? There's 3 gens of ID that she can talk this about. But she decided to drop bits of drama catalysts that are vague enough to get dramafags to start acting up.

>> No.24558322

>>24558156
Yeah it's kind of weird because the zomily would you think, be the ones who would best know these kinds of boundaries to respect. I guess she thought if she said this out loud in a public stream then Kobo's fans would descend on her with the knives out, and didn't wanna tweet about it either as that's also gonna have the same result so wanted somewhere public to say it but not an @everyone.

I think basically she should have said it in a stream in public in response to too much Kobo chatter visibly going on and at like 1/10th the directness she did. Never say the word leech out loud as that just teaches a bunch of people that word if they didn't know it (and there are always insanely naive people out there).

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Google tells me this means "don't bother,' but I'm not so sure.

>> No.24558348

>>24558004
Well yeah, its pretty clear she's insecure about Kobo blowing up so much, it's not really a reminder to the general HoloID audience though since she was naïve enough to think member content never gets leaked, and was more just venting about her insecurities to her own fans. But like you said, it isn't actually mean to Kobo.

>> No.24558615

>>24551204
The funny thing about this is that saying that publicly is actually much better than posting it on a member post

>> No.24558654

>>24557714
She doesn't need to compare herself to Kobo or anyone in Hololive. Chuubas beg fans ot not compare them to other vtubers then the vtuber themselves do it and wonder why they get hate.

>> No.24558702

KEEP YOUR EMOTIONS TO YOURSELF SOMETIMES, FEMALES. LEARN TO BE STOIC.

>> No.24558802

>>24558348
She doesn't have it in her to be proud of a kouhai's success. Fucking zombie brat.

>> No.24558951

>>24558702
Women always need to have the last word. ALWAYS. That's why your quips and one-liner comebacks always end up in breakup/divorce/cheating.
Not even hags are exempt. But thru wisdom over the years, some may learn restraint.
TAKE THE HAGPILL

>> No.24559348

>>24558802

That's bullshit and you know it.

Ollie's always had a huge heart and is a giant simp herself. Of fucking course she'll be proud of the success of a new kouhai.

The only thing she still needs to work on is her own insecurity. Kobo is the Gura of Holo ID. For whatever reason, she just has this combination of factors that is propelling her at lightspeed in terms of popularity.

But, that doesn't take away at all from all the hard work that Ollie, or anyone else puts in to being part of Hololive. We watch our Oshi's and love them for who they are.

>> No.24559590

Honestly blows my mind that anyone would accuse Ollie of leeching when she's literally the most popular HoloID girl

>> No.24559698

>>24558802
This whole thing reeks of Lamy crying over HoloX (Specifically Chloe) all over again.

>> No.24560258

>>24554064
Yeah things like this happens anywhere too, JP and EN included.

>> No.24560283

>>24551026
I absolutely fucking hate koboniggers, worst fan base I’ve ever seen.

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>>24552709
>>24552709
>>24552911
holy shit, I can't believe one of the mods is endorsing this fucking shit. You're fine with shitposting, trolling and shitting over a vtuber, but lose your nerve when someone points out the culprit.
If that was "racism" then you need to ban these too:
>>24555084
>>24557557
>>24560283

>> No.24561318

>I deliberately choose to go to the schizo shitposting website to see what those schizos write about me, because I'm simply that much of an attentionwhore and need constant validation. Just ignore it? Ohmaigawd don't tell me what to do!

>Oh nyooo, the schizos on the shitposting website are saying mean things about me. Now I have the big sads! Who could have predicted this? Streams cancelled, now I NEED to have a cry on social media instead (everybody knows acknowledging the shitposting is the best way to calm it down, because it definetly won't embolden the shitposters) and farm sympathy from my whiteknight simps again because in the end it always comes back to me being an attentionwhore and craving validation

>> No.24561426

>>24551434
the consequences are as natural as the passing of time... Mashallah anon

>> No.24561495

>>24551026
And ppl here still feel like they're better than kikebook users, discord, or Reddit? wow

>> No.24561587

>>24553304
banned hololive en discord memes --> mostly antis, filipinos and LATAMs

>> No.24561613

>>24551665
Why would it have to be vtuber companies, those outside of the holomem don't do anything vtuber related their jobs are much more similar to regular office people

>> No.24562170

>>24561062
mods don't really care, even seanigs call themselves seanigs

mods basically only check out posts if they were reported
so people just reported your post a lot

>> No.24562365

>>24561062
>>24562170
makes me wonder who reports these posts. I guess it's always SEA hours in here.

>> No.24562861

>>24551422
I just love that delusional /vt/ards think their posts actually matter

>> No.24562956

>>24552757
Meds, now.

>> No.24563074

>>24553130
No, the think is accessing 4chan in Indonesia via main route (Google search result) will be blocked by the govt. The only way to get in is via side doors for blue boards. Not everyone can do that, I don't think even Ollie know how.

Yes, the solution is pretty simple, but not for everyone who treat their computer for the most basic social thing. People who said yes are delusional morons who stuck in /vt/ way too long.

>> No.24563116

>>24551842
whats wrong with playing apex with astel?

>> No.24563210

>>24552239
That's how it works retard. Did you even read what you wrote?

>> No.24563318

>>24559698
Difference was, she did it on a member STREAM and not a community post. And member stream clips usually get nuked pretty quickly, while posts are far easier to spread once a screenshot comes out.

>> No.24563338

>>24561318
Surprisingly true, I've never watched Ollie and never will. But I definitely want to mess with her and her fans after this just for fun lol

>> No.24563371

>>24557714
It's not really rude so much as it is distasteful.
The fact that her PUBLIC response to kobos success is insecurity, to the extent that she feels the need to say "stop talking about kobo so much" even though she's already massively successful herself is just kind of distasteful.
Especially since Ollie was in the exact same position as kobo when she debuted.
Ollie just comes off as too insecure to be a senpai and too stupid to realize you shouldn't say that out loud.
Like imagine flare complaining about how botan is more popular than her

>> No.24563378

>>24553592
They're Hololive assets
They make money for them. Big money. 6.6 million dollars big just in 2020
My prediction (from looking at earnings from 2017 and up) they might reach between 20 to 40 million dollars in 2022
It IS a job.

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>>24551026
good, Ollie is a bad influence to Kaela

>> No.24563447

what the fuck did I miss in the past week.
I've been away

>> No.24563498

>>24557642
60k and most of them are short posts, shitposts, posts with nothing to talk about, and they're pretty much a mix of various vtubers and topics.

Nothing to be proud of.

>> No.24563499

>>24563338
i lost interest after she showing reine dox pict on livestream

>> No.24563604

>>24563116
Nothing, just typical dramanigger trying to drag something old to the surface as if it means something.

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>>24559590
>she's literally the most popular HoloID girl

not anymore

>> No.24563752

>>24557642
at most only 1k meaningful posts though

>> No.24563816

>>24551204
>I love the kid.
So unnecessary.

>> No.24564095

>>24558004
I can see that other interpretation in some ways. Especially with the no jokes from other Vtubers or streamers rule she was edging towards, have to take into account that hololive's joke community, while stagnant, does rely on jokes from other hololive talents, such as "a" and INAFF. I don't particularly see any issue as long as people aren't trying to discuss Kobo in chat as though Ollie wasn't there, but trying to add a rule where you can't take in-jokes from other hololive members just seems heavy-handed.
>many if not most of her fans are new to Hololive and/or vtubers in general and don't have the care or mental space to consider Holo as a team instead of The Kobo Company (and some other people)
I don't like how true this potentially is.

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>>24551107
M CHAN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, I HAVE 2 STRAPS READY FOR OUR HONEYMOON.

>> No.24565060

>>24563499
no way this is true

>> No.24567904

>koboshits wanting Ollie to be civil and not hurt their cunny's feelings

Shut the fuck up, Kobo's easily the second worst thing to happen to Hololive (first is HoloEN)

>> No.24567909

>>24565060
It did, technically. She showed a folder by accident containing an old dox pic of Reine, but just the thumbnail. You would have had to have seen the picture before to know what it was. It was next to a screencap of Discord, so it may have been from a doxcord channel. She also had some pirated anime in there.

>> No.24568082

>>24567909
She had Yuru Camp downloaded, and I like that series so I can't say anything bad about Ollie now.

>> No.24568519

>>24563074
search 4chan /vt/ will bring you straights here tho

>> No.24568536

>>24553130
I don't really care about Ollie enough to post hate about her here and be an anti, but I'm indifferent to this particular situation. Perhaps she should've kept this one to herself.

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>>24567904
Who are you even trying to bait?

>> No.24571886

>>24551026
I've been away for a while, what's the new Ollie "drama"?

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>>24551204

>> No.24572228

>>24572083
https://archive.alice.al/vt/search/filename/FB_IMG_1650084210469/

>> No.24572582

>>24553764
>perhaps unwarranted
Completely warranted

>> No.24572942

>>24572083
>>24572228
jesus fucking christ with the amount of time this guy invests into anti-ing niji and ollie he could develop a fucking hobby or get a job

>> No.24577042

>>24551026
Fuck you guys

>> No.24577614

>>24551026
>/vt/ has influence
>/vt/ does not have influence
>/vt/ has influence
>/vt/ does not have influence
>/vt/ has influence
>/vt/ does not have influence
>/vt/ has influence
>/vt/ does not have influence

Stop flip-flopping week to week with this shit.
PICK ONE YOU FAGGOTS

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it kicks so much ass how much more hostile and destructive the holo board is towards hololive than any other vtubing group

>> No.24578180

Honest opinion, but I think the way Ollie just vented her feelings like that publicly was in no way professional, maybe it could have been fine if she didn't just outright called out and name dropped her junior. However, just doing it in this fashion, was not in any way appropriate.

She could have easily brought it up in a stream and doubled down on her chat rules. Without bringing up Kobo. This sort of post feels like it should have been made on a private account. Maybe Ollie forgot she has over 1 million subscribers, idk, but she definitely could have addressed this better, and in a way that wouldn't have just put her other branch member on the spot.

>> No.24580356

>>24577614
it's the /vt/ Schrödinger influence

>> No.24580919

Hi, casual vtuber enjoyer here, can anyone give me a sit rep on what's going with Ollie?

>> No.24581119

>>24580919
some anon posted a members only post about ollie saying that she didn't wanna be seen as kobo's shadow, and even sent a akasupa to ollie shitting on her for saying that.
now she confirmed that she is /here/ by tweeting that

>> No.24581556 [DELETED] 

>>24553130
>I'm an anti just for the laugh
No, you're not.
>abloobloo no stream tonight cause sad ppl are meanie doodoo heads :,(
Holy shit man, put a brace on your limp wrist or something you fucking fairy. This is nothing.

>> No.24581822

>>24581119
Is this because the only place the screenshot was posted was on 4chan?

>> No.24582211

>>24563116
numbers

>> No.24582569

>>24558349
>don't, too bothersome
Should be the rough translation i think? I'm an esl so the sentence structure might be wrong

>> No.24583174

>>24581822
Yes

>> No.24583566

>>24553234
and Rushia is uuuuhh...
She is just happy to be part of the team!

>> No.24583782

>>24583174
Does she want the screenshot reported here?? Or is she just scared it might reach Twitter? when it comes to 4chan, quite literally nothing is seen as private. I remember from the niji discord leak, and how so many people thought none of the members deserved privacy.

How can you expect decency from a site that shits on vtubers daily?

>> No.24583809

>>24553130
Small corpos and indies are all here Anon

>> No.24583973

>>24583782
But in retrospect, I guess this was the best move she could have made. Before it got to Twitter and was posted literally on every other social media site.

Can't erase what went on 4chan, but at least she has some control in spaces like twitter, and reddit.

>> No.24584078

>>24581822
Facebook too, not by the schizo himself tho

>> No.24584122

>>24551026
ofc she canceled on her, she's no Kobo

>> No.24586709

Seeing how Kobo's fans behave, suddenly I understand why HoloID didn't pander towards Indonesian fans for so long.

>> No.24587200

It's on the same level of gossip like schoolgirls do
It's also on the same level that 4chan does about ENs
Don't get mad just because Indonesians imitate you

>> No.24587319

>>24578180
Actually, after reading more into the situation. I take back what I said. I may have a few complaints still, but they are in no way my business. Ollie deserves her privacy, and any talk of this stuff should be kept off the major social spaces.

>> No.24587451

>>24586709
Seriously, reine has avoided speaking ID except during ID collabs for so long since the chat gets so much more fucking cancerous. There's some OK indos obviously but the majority are a fucking blight.

>> No.24587624

>>24583566
Sasuga Holodeath

>> No.24587679

She is allowed to be frustrated when people mention someone multiple times without prompt. Especially when it is against the rules of the chat. I may not have phrased it in the way Ollie had, but she did have the right to put her foot down on a ongoing issue. You don't bring up another Vtuber unless the streamer brings up that person specifically. It's one of the first rules in most if not all Vtuber's chats.

>> No.24588203

>>24587679
The thing is she post the issue in membership community post so it got leaked easily. Moona handled the pekomoon "leeching" issue better by talking it in a general stream so people and the management can directly supports her (They got a collab later). I feel sorry for Ollie but this could be avoided.

>> No.24588342

>>24572083
Top Kek

>> No.24588568

>>24586709
And now you understand why Kobo's Indo antis are targetting Ollie and her lashing out at them

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>> No.24588656

>>24551332
So... what do you do for a living anon?

>> No.24588680

>>24588656
Your mom

>> No.24589468

>>24578180
>Ollie just vented her feelings like that publicly was in no way professional
Kiara: Son, you're not talking shit about me and getting away.


Chuuba pr rep 101, ranting about colleagues/management hurt their public image, that’s a backstabbing action.
Kiara talked about Mumei didn’t tell her the offcollab trip, then they patched things up, but now some fans speculate negatively about EN’s relationship. Indeed a backstabbing action. Never mention your colleagues’ name in a bad light.

When there’s problems related to colleagues/management, always talk to related party first. If it doesn’t work suck it up. Telling audience the problem usually doesn’t solve it, but worsens it. Revealing the problem to audience is the last resort (e.g. bullied by colleagues/management)

One prerequisite of chuuba is the ability to deal with shittalk, Ollie’s been a chuuba for one and half year, has many friends and been through some dramas, so she must have seen millions of shittalks. It fazed me that Ollie made a huge scene out of a hate supa. More importantly, involving a junior that only debuted 2 months ago, what the fuck are you thinking Ollie? It almost seems like a sabotage move or unbelievable absurdity.

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>>24551026
What's a xollab?

>> No.24590787

>>24590547
sex collab

>> No.24590822

Kobo fans making it real hard not to hold their shitpile behavior against Kobo herself. She desperately needs to learn how to tardwrangle.
Ollie really needs some lessons from some of the others on the right time and place to vent about shit, and to grow some thicker skin against the kind of schizo brainpuke this place overflows with.

>> No.24593189

>>24589468
except the situations are not analogous. ollie is taking the problem to the responsible party: her audience, who is writing comments that upset her. there is no sensible way to interpret her message as implicating kobo in anything or placing any blame on her. at best if she went directly to kobo with this she could just do the same thing and tell her own audience to chill. huge stretch to read backstabbing here

>> No.24594425

>>24559348
>For whatever reason
The secret is to attract the pedophile audience, no joke.

>> No.24594685

>>24589468
"Gura ghosting people" was also came from Kiara
Kiara is like the powerhouse of negative rrats

>> No.24595199

>>24552800
top kek

>> No.24595307

How is it that as more people are spending more time on the internet, basic internet literacy is seemingly harder and harder to grasp for zoomers like Ollie? Just stop taking bait and feeding the trolls you fucking retard, if you're going to ego search and find seanigger antis up to some shit on an anonymous basket weaving board, sounding the alarms and asking them to stop because whatever they're doing is bothering you is going to have the exact fucking obvious result. More than that, when you already know you're surrounded by these no-life cretins, don't put shit out there on the internet you don't want them to get a hold of. They may be stuck using bananas as currency, but a $5 paywall isn't going to give you a fucking safe space.

Absolutely any and all sympathy I may have for someone evaporates when they go out of the way to dig themselves deeper like this. If there are any zomrades reading this, if you want your oshi to be better off then send her superchats telling her to LURK MOAR

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>>24551204
>i'm sorry for the rant
no you are not, fucking cunt

>> No.24600040

>>24563441
This. Ollie is a bad influence.

>> No.24601887

>>24553270
poor people love facebook. the only thing they have in life is to judge others...

>> No.24602090

>>24555000
dont forget she is just a kid

>> No.24602358

>>24555000
>Did Ollie forget she was the Kobo in Gen 2? She blew past her senpai in subs in similar fashion so now she understands how her senpai felt.
This.

>> No.24602567

>>24559590
>she's literally the most popular HoloID girl
Maybe a year ago, but as demonstrated when Moona ended up reaching a million first despite Ollie being on track to be the first initially and how Moona's got higher averages than her, she had lost that position even before Kobo popped up.

>> No.24603033

>>24558349
>>24582569
Yeah it's 'don't bother' as in 'don't bother other people'

>> No.24603245

>>24555063
shi- what? I don't have enough braincell to predict wtf she's tryin to say

>> No.24603297

>>24603033
or stop bothering others
t.indo

>> No.24603499

>>24555000
Can some of you motherfuckers with enough balls say this shit to her post, thank you
She's being insecure bout this fucking pisses me off

>> No.24603573

>>24603499
>Can some of you motherfuckers with enough balls say this shit to her post, thank you
Stop begging
Do it yourself nigga

>> No.24603605

>>24558951
I think it's because you are annoying as fuck

>> No.24604194

>>24587679
This is true. It also doesn't help that having part of that conversation behind membership-only and the other parts in public means that the incomplete picture is the default.
It also doesn't help that Ollie's also discussed moderation changes in the past and then not employed them.

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>>24551204

>> No.24605175

>>24577614
>reddit comments per day: 1894
>/vt/ posts per day: 60279

>> No.24605241

>>24577614
/vt/ has no influence unless viewers break containment or talents break into containment.

>> No.24605369

>>24604284
>5dollars is less than half then what they make an hour
I am not even that old but it's 34€/h for me

>> No.24605452

>>24551204
That's not a good way to handle this, you sound like a nijisanji whore, that low level rant is so lame nobidy wants to read that u dumb nitch

>> No.24606958

>>24551026
You fuckers

>> No.24607026

>>24551026
her menhera phase won't end soon. Management should step in with a therapist (or a the rapist like me)

>> No.24607714

>>24604284
>meanwhile Anya still has the best opsec of all hololive
why Ollie couldn't learn one or two thing from her genmate?

>> No.24607737

>>24604284
>unironically posting Reddit screenshots
GO BACK

>> No.24608245

>fat brown dog has poor mental state
Not surprised

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>>24607714
This is the same retarded indog who:
>Liking a chink tweet about holofes2 restream
>Keeping a doxx picture of genmate
>Saying "I plan to break hololive rules" in public stream loud and clear
>Letting rrats forming by themselves after responding poorly to reine's outs when male voice suddenly appears in their apex collab
>Browses this site alot despite not having the heart for it, see her first breakdown
...and god knows what else. What happens after each of those? Nothing much really. Now use ollie's pov why would you try to learn how to avoid those mistakes from others if she gets away almost scott free everytime? HoloIDs leeway is insane as long as you don't piss off sandniggers directly.

>> No.24608792

>>24551026
Poor IRyS 90% of her fanbase is SEAniggers

>> No.24608928

>>24604284
Those are some pretty retarded and misinformed comments.

>> No.24608966

>>24551026
>>24551204
TLDR?

>> No.24609267

>>24608966
And indog troll was being a massive faggot so Ollie collab stream with Kaela was delayed/cancelled

>> No.24609462

>>24609267
Holy based
Ollie antis are legit hard workers

>> No.24609551

>>24551026
Ollie if you're reading this I think you're pretty cool so do whatever you think is best.
Also sit on my face please.

>> No.24609574

>>24609462
not really, it's pretty trash tier compared to EN and CN accomplishments

>> No.24610108

>>24553848
Nah, it's just easier to post here compared to other platforms, especially when the only level of gauging engagement here is (You)s. Not saying that other platforms are free from useless comments that contribute nothing to the discussion, but those comments are generally disincentivised on other platforms, especially those clarifying t. I also think /vt/ is more comparable to a discord server than Reddit, just without the fan circlejerks and more talk about your oshi being pregnant (yes, by me) than anywhere else.

>> No.24610164

>>24586709
Unironically, a lot of them are fucktards that don't know their boundaries like the membership posts leaker
I actually start to watch ID gen 3 out of curiosity and Kobo is good with the kusogaki flavor but man she's bringing a lot of annoying Indogs

>> No.24610321

>>24609267
Saved Kaela from being tainted by Ollie

>> No.24611128

>>24604284
The likes of Kiara and Mori just have some of the personal info early on in members but eventually she still tells it to her public audience right? From how I see it in other normal channels, members for them just have the people get early access but eventually they will make their videos public. You can try to make your fans all loyal and parasocial but all it takes is one lad to fall out of love or an anti to be really mad to pay for members and your secret gets leaked.

>> No.24611498

>>24604284
It is incredible how much EN hates greyniggers.
I buy a 50 ARS membership and I'm entitled to most of the membership content.
Someone buys me a $5 membership while I'm actively subscribed and watching a stream and all of a sudden I'm evil and need to be kept away from the REAL members posts.

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>>24551332
hololive reject? hololive reject

>> No.24615126

>>24553764
That's a fascinating perspective. I wonder if Fauna has ever checked out /uuu/. We're usually pretty nice to each other, but the common /vt/ flavor is inescapable. (I hope she's internet-savvy enough to understand the context.)

>> No.24615190

>>24553130
If you let antis get to you you have to get thicker skin. Simple as.
Maybe it's because I've been raised on 4chan but getting pissy at antis seems like the dumbest thing ever to me. Either ignore them or just laugh at them. And actually listen to the 1% who may be saying something half-decent to improve yourself. Turn them into your fans.
Just ride the wave and have fun with it.
You simply don't feed the trolls.

>> No.24615545

>>24610108
>especially those clarifying t
God, do I wish that I bothered to edit my posts sometimes.
Also, in my opinion, bottom of the barrel discussion exists on every site, but it's better handled here where it can be properly responded to rather than being silently bemoaned, ignored, and removed. This mostly applies to really low quality arguments that rely on wishful thinking with no basis in reality.
The worst troll feeders are also all on those other platforms, which is made more atrocious by the fact that said trolls stick out like a sore thumb when they have profiles two clicks away.
>>24553130
We do have an impact to an unknown extent. Some of them are reading here. Honestly, having some moron break containment to show negative comments about Kiara's language switching in the early days was a big wake-up call to that sort of thing for me, even if all it did was cause me to not write like such a cunt here.

>> No.24615681

was this fuck ever humble, the moment her fats got revealed, she made a validation stream where "will you fuck ollie for 1 million dollars"?

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Hololive became a fucking Mexican soap opera holy shit. I'm glad I stopped caring few months ago.

>> No.24615979

>>24551562
So? Cant she just suck it up and ignore them? Jesas... This is moona all over again but worse. Moona sacrifice her incline during the whole Pekomoona arc just cause some fag calling her leech. Thank god she managed to picked herself up and brand herself as one of holo's top singer.
I dunno how ollie going to recover from this. Collab is literally her brand, and for her to gave it up just cause some schizos is kinda dumb. Just suck it up like how she sucked up those e-celeb and the homos. Nobody would pity her for spotlighting this shit.

>> No.24616099

>>24553589
Damn. Didnt know indogs were that based

>> No.24616318

>>24558004
>pushback reminding the audience the other HoloIDs do exist and are aware that Kobo is a total phenomenon blowing out the rest of the branch (actually the entire ID vtuber scene) and don't want their existence to just be a waiting room for Kobo's fans when Kobo isn't streaming.
While yes Kobo is amazing, she isnt that far off nor she is the gura of ID. You have to remember that ID got culled HARD! even more than EN. Their usual numbers (ID1 and ID2) should be twice than shown in their stream.

>> No.24616668

>>24558004
It could. But it shouldn't, unless you are speaking in bad faith.

In that case, go nuts, anti.

>> No.24616765

>>24615979
Some people can't. But you are right that is what they all should do.

People call leeches all the times in all collabs for no good reason. And most mean comments here are made just to make the vtuber feel bad without substance.

>> No.24616869

>>24604284
I fucking hate greynigger so much.

>> No.24617248

>>24558004
she's so jealous of kobo lmao

>> No.24617640

>>24615979
Her SC has fallen to a record low, same with her views and in a bitter embarrasing irony she has over a million subs and still has the recline, they are all zombies and dead just like herself. Either she is going more menhera due to her revenue going the shitter or she is causing drama for attention.

>> No.24618251

>>24615979
Just look at Mori and how she's always sperging out trying to "own the haters".
Some people are just unable to not feed the trolls.

>> No.24619581

>>24611498
you don't even have to pay a single cent if you know where to go lol. it's simply impossible to keeping these type of content behind a paywall, someone will leak it

>> No.24620632

>>24557714
She's sending a message to her viewers to avoid mentioning Kobo and they will probably end up being reluctant talking about her even if Ollie brings up the topic themselves. Could also cause the more schizo parts of her fanbase to consider Kobo and her fanbase as enemies. As others said, should have not mentioned it or at least not use Kobo's name.

>> No.24620789

>>24595307
I'm convinced that millennials are the first and last generation to be truly internet-savvy. (That is, the portion of them who browsed the internet at the time.) The internet being so open and relatively "safe" due to moderated forums and apps means basic OPSEC isn't needed, until it suddenly is. The average internet-goer will continue to drop in IQ until we reach saturation.

>> No.24620958

>>24552239
That is only your fantasy

>> No.24621236

>>24618251
Yeah, it's pretty funny how a certain subset of the audience thinks that feeding the trolls by responding to them really loudly is totally owning them, when it's just what they want. You can sort of gauge the level of maturity of holomems by seeing how they react to stuff like this.

>> No.24621543

I wonder if Ollie is going to stream her POV during the ID MInecraft collab since Kobo will be there.

>> No.24622150

>>24588680
>>24595199
Zoomers go away, no kids in 4chan

>> No.24624555

>>24551026
Yes and I hope Ollie shuts up forever. Fucking Apex shill needs to be reborn in vahojo.

>> No.24627133

>>24624555
Funny thing is despite her keep shilling apex, she's completely suck at it that most people want her to drop it

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