/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

I'll open up a topic, what kind of design philosophy did Cover think off back when they started making gens for Hololive? Most of the designs they commissioned from semi-known artists were a hit, and it made their mamas/papas instantly popular.

Good designs,
Gen 1: FBK, Hachaama
Gen 2: Everyone except for Choco
Gen 3: Everyone
Gen 4: Everyone except for Luna
Gen 5: Everyone

All of them had some of the best designs in the industry that relates to their personality and numbers. Pekora, FBK, Aqua, Marine and Botan fits their characters which is why they have big numbers. What differs between them and Nijisanji's design philosophy? Was high school or formal uniforms a turn-off for nijis? Was a chuuni lore needed? NijiEN became good after many attempts on making branches in ID and KR. Selejo flopped because of uniforms, edengumi didn't. Nui, Furen, Sanbaka also had fantasy lores and has good numbers.

Six hours

I wonder if Miko can get 70k on a WWE
60k was so ridiculous already but I'm sensing so much energy and anticipation for it

>>24744353
gayest post on this board

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>51,105: Miko (Hololive)
>43,410: Levi (Nijisanji)
>26,472: Koyori (Hololive)
>25,273: Towa (Hololive)
>24,973: Korone (Hololive)
>21,201: Botan (Hololive)
>20,440: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>20,145: Subaru (Hololive)
>20,045: Koyori (Hololive)
>19,468: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>19,380: Mio (Hololive)
>17,172: Nui (Nijisanji)
>16,630: Sasaki (Nijisanji)
>15,212: Yugo (Nijisanji)
>14,922: Ange (Nijisanji)
>14,543: Vox (Nijisanji)
>13,983: Lamy (Hololive)
>13,931: Lize (Nijisanji)
>13,082: Hal (Neo Porte)
>13,036: Kobo (Hololive)
>12,949: Watame (Hololive)
>12,355: Iroha (Hololive)
>11,948: Haachama (Hololive)
>11,206: Mito (Nijisanji)
>11,155: Hal (Neo Porte)
>11,087: Noel (Hololive)
>10,593: Laplus (Hololive)
>10,524: Noah (VSPO)

What kind of numbers would this game get if the Holos played it https://store.steampowered.com/app/1782210/Crab_Game/

Miko has the power to claim gold at will all on her own by booting up WWE, even on days with 3D lives. No one else has that power, not even Marine or Aqua.

>>24744420
>MAY 2022 GOLD
1) Kanata (Hololive) - 60,210 - New outfit reveal
2) Miko (Hololive) - 27,893 - Power Pro 2022
3) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 75,927 - Nijiquiz
4) Mio (Hololive) - 42,756 - AsaMio gyakutotsu
5) Mio (Hololive) - 43,953 - AsaMio gyakutotsu
6) Kaida (Nijisanji) - 70,355 - 3D debut
7) Pekora (Hololive) - 35,238 - Among Us collab
8) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 95,165 - FuwaGusa 3D live
9) Miko (Hololive) - 63,587 - WWE 2K22
10) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 28,244 - APEX
11) Kanata (Hololive) - 43,953 - Clubhouse 51 totsu
12) Miko (Hololive) - 37,659 - Switch Sports w/Flare
13) Miko (Hololive) - 76,609 - WWE 2K22
14) Marine (Hololive) - 45,005 - Zatsudan
15) Sora (Hololive) - 58,576 - 3D birthday live
16) Aqua (Hololive) - 32,428 - Return karaoke
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 46,089 - Valkyrie Connect shilling w/Laplus
18) Chloe (Hololive) - 58,142 - Birthday totsumachi
19) Toya (Nijisanji) - 36,605 - Kenmochi Toya
20) Mysta (Nijisanji) - 49,561 - Unarchived karaoke w/ Luca & Vox
21) Mysta (Nijisanji) - 40,534 - Cooking stream w/Vox
22) Miko (Hololive) - 51,105 - Return stream + announcement

>PER COMPANY
15x: Hololive
7x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
5x: Miko
2x: Kanata, Mio, Mysta, Pekora
1x: Aqua, Chloe, Fuwa, Kaida, Kuzuha, Marine, Nijisanji, Sora, Toya

>>24744353
I wouldn't say Subaru had the best design. I'm sure she herself agrees since she rarely use her main outfit if anything

>>24744436
I think Bae played it? idk
all I remember it was pretty boring after the first 3 rounds or so

>>24744441
I wonder how long it will last, should be interesting to see how far she can milk it

Mera mera is probably going to hit one million in a few hours

>>24744441
Aqua has the passive to instantly kill nijis when they're aiming for gold. Mel's passive is that her presence gives an increased chance of kuzuha slipping.

>>24744457
2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
100x: Hololive
33x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
17x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
11x: Kuzuha
10x: Miko
7x: Subaru
6x: Hal
5x: Kanata
4x: Marine, Suisei, Toya
3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu
2x: Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Aki, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Koyori, Mel, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

>>24744398
Her 70k stream was absurd last time. Friday debuff, overlaps and her stream died midway.

>>24744398
She got 76k last time. She could break 90k if she makes Pekora and Marine.

>>24744353
This is really too broad and subjective a topic to get much meaningful discussion. Design is an important part of popularity but it's not the most important part.

>>24744457
2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
100x: Hololive
32x: Nijisanji
7x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
17x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
10x: Miko, Kuzuha
7x: Subaru, Hal
5x: Kanata
4x: Marine, Suisei, Toya
3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu
2x: Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Aki, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Koyori, Mel, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

>>24744353
Personality and background/lore/design will meld overtime and create something interesting.
If you stick too much to your lore, you will come up as uninteresting (e.g. Bae)

The only interesting one I find interesting from Niji are Mito due to her shenanigans

>>24744530

>>24744530
Otsutallyanon

>>24744436
If they played it months ago when it was popular they could have done decent. Nowdays? Less than Amogus.

>>24743907

Here are some itabags from the people who went to the holostars event
>>24728889

>>24744586
s-sugoi

>>24744420
Double 20K+ stream and bronze, very good performance from Koyori today.

>>24744586
WTF

>>24744549
I don't think Bae even sticks to her lore these days, she's just... like that

>>24744586

>>24744353
Honestly the only "miss" design from Hololive is just IRyS. Hitomi as well but she obviously doesn't count.

>>24744625
She's doing good but it's absolutely not translating into new subs. Kobo's gonna pass her in a couple days.

>>24744687
If Hitomi survived to the modern day I'm quite sure she would have been updated long ago.

>>24744694
Kobo is still the new hot thing anon

>>24744642
She wasn't like that before.

>>24744488
probably until summer when she finish making the members and do the tournament
hype will die down afterward

>>24744750
If Hitomi survived, we would've had 7 more chuubas to fit the timeslots. Fuck her

>>24744767
Yeah i know her old stuff wasn't like that but i can't help but feel like this is how she is.

>>24744767
as she is now is probably way closer to her real voice and personality than her pl

>>24744510
>Pekora
I don't think it'd happen
For maximum numbers though, I'd suggest she asked another mid tier holo like Kanata to also do WWE stream and Holo character creation, in which they can make Pekora instead + other holos she's not too close with.
Then they can set up a Collab stream where the holos Miko created can fight with the one Kanata (for example) created on a team battle setting for maximum numbers. (WWE buff, Collab buff, stakes/punishment game buff, event buff) probably can get 120k+ peak ccv if done well

>>24744694
>it's absolutely not translating into new sub
It absolutely is. Koyori is the fastest growing holoX right now and only Marine, Suisei and Miko have more than her in the last month for JPs.
>Kobo
Yes, debut buff is still very strong. That doesn't mean Koyori is doing bad.

>>24744878
She'd probably need someone from HoloEN to do the 20 EN/ID members.

>>24744353
>good design : those you like
>bad design : those you don't like
great post

It's pathetic how HoloEN has over double the members compared to last year but manages to have less total streams.

I honestly think moving forward six members for one gen would be a good choice, 2 gaming+streaming experienced talents, 3 niche talents (drawing/VA/ASMR/Piano/cook) and 1 VSinger.

>>24744983
En was a mistake

>>24744960
she's gonna pass lap on total views at this rate

>>24744983
I honestly get some don't streaming because y'know, going to cons or some other sponsor thing but having days with none or literally 1 stream is just plain bizarre.

>>24744420

>>24744983
EN2 gave EN1 the confidence to scale things back while EN2 came in treating Hololive like a part-time job/hobby. EN3 needs to be filled by people that will treat Hololive like a full-time job.

>>24745133
ANON, NOOOOOO

ABAYO

>>24744586
Ah, so that's what people do when they buy like 30 can badges.

>>24745172
>>24745148
Look at the filenames...

>>24744983
They did more stream, though ? And that's with Mori on a trip to the US, And Kiara on vacation

>>24745106
You don't actually think they're at the con, do you? Well, Gura and Bae I mean.

Okay /#/, you are Sakura Miko's manager and you've been tasked with helping her book the card for Holomania, the grand finale to her WWE series with the holos themselves joining for the matches. For the maximum CCV possible which matches do you make? I'll set two rules
>1. It has to be a somewhat realistic wrestling card, so you need singles matches too instead of just spamming royal rumbles and multi-man ladder matches, and a title fight for the main event
>2. Any potential yabs will be mysteriously forgotten about by everyone the next day, so former members can be added (obviously they won't be on VC though) and grudge matches won't cause tension behind the scenes

Ah, peace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnikWPTa2NQ
Edit.

will Miko make Pekora?

So did Bae not talk about moona asking EN to do a portal realy to connect the ID server this weekend or am i misremembering?

>>24744420

>>24744687
IRyS and Sana are the "miss" designs. Well, IRyS design is actually fine, but the execution sucks, while Sana's design is an actual mess (I dunno what pako was thinking).
Kronii also has stick thin legs, but they're never really shown, so it's not an issue, plus the booba design is top tier.

>>24744960
>Yes, debut buff is still very strong.
Not really debut buff anymore - Kobo's just in the Gura-esque growth phase where she gets lots of attention outside of the holosphere

>>24744579
Same garbage take than what some anons from this thread said about Vampire survivors a few months ago. I wonder if they were right about that...

>>24744353

>>24745450
Holy shit, this is from her last 40k karaoke right? Love this version.

>>24745297
NTA but i think the point is that Bae and Gura are doing something. Mori is too i guess, tho not exactly related to hololive. The rest however aren't doing anything as far as we know.

>>24744960
Koyori is a fucking hero, she's always there for the people who want to watch streams.

>>24744960
imagine dropping the ball as hard as La+ and Chloe

>>24745522
Sana design don't even came close to any of the FGO servants Pako did. So disappointing.

>>24745522
I still consider it debut buff, Zeta and Kaela still have it too, to a lesser degree of course.

>>24745692
Sans unironically is better looking than Sana

>>24745233
anon, in over 24 hours all we got is Irys

>>24745684
La+ still pretty much the most popular of her gen. Chloe yeah, she really fucked up her initial hype but at least she has her gachis i guess

>>24745719
>anon, in over 24 hours all we got is Irys
In what was basically a guerilla stream.

Why are ID3 and JP6 doing better than EN2 when they debuted after and have less potential audience?

>>24745746
Man i never seen hype die down as fast as Chloe, her debut week was incredible and then she just went full sc reading and zatsu.

>>24745561
IDK man I've watched Crab Game streams that Pomu did and they're pretty boring. Twitch kids only like it because their favorite streamers will scream and overreact to everything. Would Holo fans like it? My guess is not really. I think you could take the same 12 people and have them play this or have them play Among Us or Mario Kart and get better numbers for the last 2.

>>24745133
ABAYOOOOOOOOOO

>>24745717
Sans Undertale?

>>24745561
Didn't NijiEN played that? I don't remember them getting good numbers.

>>24745773
whores riding on the success of others just for money, EN was a mistake

>>24744420

>>24745910
They played it but mostly as accessories to popular twitch facestreamers, where they were just kind of there as filler. If you were gonna do it, and do it right, you'd have all vtubers. Holos + ID/EN that could understand Japanese and maybe some friendly Niji JP or small corpo/indies to fill out the cast.

>>24745773
They stream.

>>24745773
>mori tells them to take it easy
>they take it easy

>>24745773
they are not lazy and actually stream, simple

>>24745773
>ID3
They're not
> JP6
Neither are they
They stream more, they're not doing particularly better viewership wise

>>24745887
No, it's the big cock shota on second left. Now I get why Sana's spirit animal is a horse because sans has a horse cock.

>>24745746
Koyori had two 20k+ streams today. If La+ doesn't change anything about her work ethic it's only a matter of time until there's no metric left under which you could consider La+ more popular. She's going to be left behind and she'll deserve it.

>>24744353
>Good designs,
>Gen 2: Everyone except for Choco
HOLY SHIT ANON, is this what it feels to be homosexual?

Choco has one of the best base models of the whole roster, one that unfortunately was too sexy for YoutubeKun to be left unchanged

>>24746092
Nope, cunny is universal. People would never get bored. Look at Shion.

>>24746059
ID3 is literally doing as good as Council right now anon, fucking indonesia
EN's have literally all of the world

>>24744420
Which stream in this tally was the most entertaining to watch? Give me your top 5 streams for the day

>>24744586
kek, you just know some Ojou-sama had her butler to transport that all into her special room

>>24745773
for a more serious answer, i'd argue that none really had a lot of potential audience, jp6 was born in a super saturated and smaller market, id3 on a still super niche portion and en2 on the downturn of the en boom
i honestly expected all 3 to be doomed, but jp6 seems to have managed to get enough scraps from the really strong presence of holojp in general, while id3 lucked out on tapping on their equivalent of the xqc/jun crowd, while en2, well, doesn't really have much going on for them and myth doesn't seem to be in a position to carry them
at this point i guess en3 would have to find something to grab onto to get more people flooding in again, but i don't know the answer to that

>>24746194
Probably just Towa, but Miko and Levi horse race was good

>>24746092
>no metric
Anon, song views are a thing.

>>24746194
Levi concert was pretty cool

>>24746216
believe in Yagoo's magic anon

>>24744420
>Nijisanji 3D Live with massive guest list
>Doesn't even come particularly close to challenging for gold
How do we fix Nijisanji? This is an ongoing trend with them as there just seems to be less and less interest in their events. They even had a 3D debut yesterday that couldn't even hit 50k.

>>24746219
>Miko and Levi horse race
The best in a while

>>24745773
lazy whores
maybe EN3 will be better

>>24746231
La+ is also setting herself up to be a pretty big part of the main channel and cover seems to be pushing her for sponsorships aswell. I'm sure she will be more than fine.

>>24746194
I really enjoyed watching haachama
Towa singing was nice right afterwards, the Levi concert was great.
That's about the only thing I watched in this tally, korone and miko are just announcements but if miko was my oshi I'd see how 35ps would be happy with this stream

>>24746216
>jp6 was born in a super saturated
Anon, I can easily count five JP slots that are pretty much vacant even discounting Rushia (that got got after HoloX debut)
>Ayame
>Aqua
>Shion
>Coco
>Marine
JP6 didn't add anything to the frey, they merely filled holes in the already existing market that Hololive cultivated.

>>24746303
Nijisanji is a mix of 3views and people who average 5-15k, and there are a lot of them. Takes more effort to cultivate or maintain a fan scene when there are so many nijis to keep track of, and they aren't "one big family" where everyone regularly interacts with everyone. Those circumstances don't generate momentum, or at least that's my take on it.

>>24746219
>but Miko and Levi horse race was good
I meant watching the actual stream, like the actual content of the stream since there's nothing going on right now I just wanted some VOD recommendations

>>24745478
She talked about ID portal plan. Probably just chilling while building instead of relay, similar to JP portal arc

>>24746194
Koyori's baseball is must watch
there is some super epic moment with Pekora level of mirale bullshit

>>24746395
anon, holojp isn't the only thing that exists in japan, also, i literally said that they were getting scraps, i feel like you didn't understand the comment

>>24744420

>>24745773
I think holox and council are on par for the most part, if you take into account that JP just has higher CCV than EN in general (due to timezones, cull, audience size, whatever).
View counts are probably similar - hopefully the VOD anon can chime in.

ID3 is just hard to compare with holox and council. In absolute numbers, the latter two easily beats ID3, but that's because:
a) There are only 3 members in the gen, compared to the 5 in holox and council.
b) ID just has a smaller fanbase right now than JP and EN. Kobo is rightfully called the ID Gura, but that's because she's THE breakout success in the relatively anemic ID market

>>24744420
One from each branch

Miko
Kobo
IRyS

I tried watching the Nijisanji concert but it was so terrible I had to turn it off.

>>24746460
tits too small

>>24746303
Both of these (The 3D live today and the 3D debut) were from girls that frequently get less than 4 digits on her streams (Karuta even more than Levi, she doesn't even stream that much). For their standars they were really big streams, not just not enough to match Holo

Stop fighting and watch karaoke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RItvIRRcmQ

>>24746522
I'm watching astel sing
https://youtu.be/4I59MN-PxFo

>>24746457
They can't possibly be getting "scraps" when there are gaping holes in HoloJP own "programming" (in the TV programming sense).

Take Chloe, for instance. People like to equate her with Rushia because of her ability to suck the wallets of her patrons but she's just Ayame that actually streams. That's her whole thing, she filled that gap in the programming that was essentially money left in the table.

That's not "scraps", that's a full blown underserved market

>>24746498
That isn't an excuse. Even low tier Holos can draw huge numbers for events like this with guests. Hell, Sora just had 60k.

I just think Nijisanji is dying, their events are shit, and nobody cares about them anymore.

>>24746469
eh

>>24746498 (me)
*just not enough
I need sleep

>>24746216
People said EN males didnt have a future cause otakus are all neckbeard virgins yet here we are. There are still so many unfilled niches for Holo EN. There is no real hag, no one who can properly play instruments, no one who can do VR properly,…

>>24746541
Come on now anon, Levi is more like a Roboco tier in terms of the numbers she'd get for a live (for example, RBC got sub 40k for her anniversary last year).

>>24746532
>199,891
what number he start?

>>24746469
>View counts are probably similar
Not even close. Koyori has more views in the past 30 days than the top 2 council members combined and Lui has more views than the 3rd and 4th place council members combined. That eaves Sana vs Laplus(who outranks all of council), Chloe(who outranks all of council), and Iroha(who outranks only Sana)

>>24746541
Nijishitty's free fall when they used to be on top of the industry is really something to behold. Even organizations like VSPO are doing better than them these days. What a fall from grace.

>>24746541
sora's median is nearly quadruple levi's

>>24746600
198k ish

>>24746600
Think some anons said he was at 198k when he started, but not sure the specific number.

>>24746541
Yeah anon but Holo has a actual box going on. Niji has just way too much chuubas with different fanbases to that to work. Let me put it that way for you: After Levi 3D reveal at 58k, this concert today is Levi second highest stream EVER. There is only so much you can do to lift up someone that gets worse numbers than fucking Roboco

Reminder, the last time there was an EN offcollab, Rushia got terminated and an actual war broke out.

>>24746715
Deep down I hate miComet since I know Miko's heart isn't truly in it and she doesn't like Suisei all that much. It makes any 35P wince and feel sick.

>>24746764

>>24746764
It's time for the next graduation. Who was next in line from the overall SC ranking?

>>24744420

>>24746817
peko, but my theory of turning every gen into 4 members backwards leads me to believe the next graduation is a manjigumi mem

Gonna spoil the top 1/2 for Cover song rankings for next week.
ないない(NaiNai) - Ninomae Ina'nis (491k, 2 days ago. Original, 6.2M)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=injd7gHrIGU

幽霊東京 (Ghost City Tokyo) - Hoshimachi Suisei (241k, 7 hours, Original - 6.9m(Vocaloid), Self-Cover - 23.7m)

Looking at it, Suisei's cover is 99.9% hitting 1m before the end of the week. Probably within 4-5 days, so it'll be #1 whilst Ina's Cover will get there within a week/10 days and be second on the ranking.

Has Hololive peaked? Has vtubing peaked?

>>24746532
50 subs to go

>>24746817
its over...

>>24745647
She is one of the most beloved holos on /vt/ and /hlg/. The reason? She's always streaming.

>>24746621
>>24746548
Oops, I meant view counts per stream (vs CCV per stream). Holox is definitely going to win in total view counts just due to how much more often the hags stream. Speaking of which, EN3 absolutely needs a hag.

>>24746535
No offensive dude but comparing Chloe to Ayame is peak threadwatcher knowledge.

>>24746858
>>24746877

>>24746877
Sankisei have to go

>>24746869
not really, we keep getting bigger numbers on events month after month, you should worry when a few events in a row fail to get bigger numbers than last years

>>24746686
>>24746700
>2k, 4 hours
homo incline?

>>24746858
Both are sufficiently powerful from a pattern perspective....
Pekora going on break is protective action. It's 100% going to be a member of manjigumi next.

>>24744694
after a certain point (let's say 500k subs for arguments sake) it's way more impressive to have consistent 15-20k CCV streams than get 1k dead subs every day that don't actually translate to higher CCV.

>>24746863
>le comet wins yet again
someone should put this blue bithc in her place

>>24746863 (me)
Ah fak, forgot to link the Suisei Cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuZty35Fk7M
>>24746869
Nah and no, peaks still getting bigger, but the day-to-day is stable atm.

>>24746600
198,256 was the first number he showed

>>24746877
Jesas...

>>24746469
>i think holox and council are on par for the most part

>>24746869
You know this was what I wondering, do we actually have high expectations of Gen 7? Will it be like Gen 6?

>>24746869
Only EN vtubing, JP still strong

HE DID IT

>>24747019
I couldn’t care less about new gen
6 generations in and the people carrying Hololive are still mostly Holo from the first 4 generations

>>24747019
not really, more and more companies are inclining, jp6 had to be content with the already existing box, jp7 will fare similarly to jp5 and jp6, so i hope we get some niche fillers

>>24746957
Just make a good or hyped cover

>3. Suisei - phony (499,963)
>2. Lamy - phony (558,115)
>1. Startend - Asu no Yozora Shoukaihan (1,519,582)

>2. Suisei - phony (491,345)
>1. Azki, Fubuki, and Marine - Maware Setsugetsuka(722,502)

>2. Suisei - phony (468,405)
>1. Aqua and Okayu - Tenbyou no Uta(649,972)

>2. Suisei - phony (484,486)
>1. Okayu - Yona Yona Dance (596,935)

>2. Suisei - phony (525,480)
>1. Okayu and Lui - Identity (597,831)

>3. Suisei - phony (534,648))
>2. Kiara and Ame - Dreamin Chuchu (850,557)
>1. Laplus - Bitter Choco Decoration (957,162)

>>24747084
A lot of supas too!

Ina's BD stream is 20k away from getting 500k views

>>24747084
why is this fag's membership so expensive?

>>24747084
Good for him. Happy that the Stars seem to be cultivating a good audience for themselves.

>>24746177
>ID3 is 3 kobo
Kys

vt is playing /an/ in the 4cc cup right now btw

Council was too little too late. If Council came out in May or June 2021 with a more robust roster then I think the EN branch would be in a better spot. In the 11 months Cover didn't capitalize on their success with HoloEN many many other people jumped into it. Now there are thousands and thousands of EN vtubers and even if all of them only get 2 views that is 2000+ views Cover no longer gets.

>>24747244
playing who in the what?

>>24747241
hey, holobronies said the same about Luxiem a few months back and look at them now

>>24747274
>>24738825
>>24738825
>>24738825

>>24747177
Apparently he does a bunch of stuff for members, but that's only something I've heard in passing.

>>24747019
I think Koyori's debut is the peak, has anything even surpassed it since?

>>24747275
nijiseethe

>>24747313
was peko's outfit before or after that

>>24747177
Wow for real! Fucking base, filtering all the poor fag

>>24747104
>niche fillers
Like? What other niches are there to be filled? Vtubing in general is very restraining
Like >>24747100 said, the niches that do exist are already filled by at least one of the 4 first gens, whether it's variety with haachama, whether it's singing in suisei, whether it's comedy in people like miko and peko, whether it's ASMR with coco and okayu, whether it's gaming with korone, whether it's drawing with marine... Etc
What is left?

>>24747275
Ya know, if you can get 5 Vox's, I'd be happy to have 5 Gura's

>>24747325
holocope, where is your EN branch?

>>24747401
Anon it's been three hours since the day started, are you retarded?

>>24747370
different flavors my guy, you seem really worked up about this

People focus too much on producing top CCV superstars. The broadest appeal vtubers inherently cannibalise each other's audiences, which is why corpos should aim to instead broaden their low end with limited appeal vtubers. Debuting talents who can pull in entirely new viewers is worth more than trying to replicate what you already have.

>>24747442
if he wasn't retarded he wouldn't be a nijinigger

Huh, Leona hits 2k nowadays, at 3AM
I remember when she got like 200

>>24747473
kek, true, sorry I asked

>>24747260
It's over, no need to cope

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>24747442
>>24747473
>>24747503
oh shit, my bad, here's yesterday too
>
so, streams doko? 1 (uno) stream...

>>24747341
Definitely after
It might feel really long but she only just got her outfit at the beginning of 2022. Somewhere at the end of February

>>24747538
did they not let them call themselves ceo of rape

Is Ina really gonna stream today? I thought she was on break now

>>24747341
19th of December 2021.

>>24747442
>27 hours passed
>the only EN stream is from Irys
damn, I knew it was bad but not THAT bad

>>24747370
You fundamentally do not understand people.

KEK

>>24747565
>>24747619
Ah wait shit I forgot
February was her birthday

>>24747609
newfag

>>24747670
no u

COME ON /VT/ SCORE SOME FUCKING GOALS

>>24747611
Mmmm, don't see a frame for it yet, so who knows? At the same time, I don't think she said she was cancelling the stream, and she hasn't said anything about it on twitter.

Honestly I'm surprised Watame doesn't just give up.

>>24747645
Why would you watch the objectively inferior out of two that are practically the same?

>>24747561
Really need EN3 so the branch isn't choked out by people deciding to travel for an off-collab.

>>24746157
I want to see her womb tattoo

Preparing a list of the highest attended stream for each Hololive Production talent and
>GOD DAMNIT!
Roberu 3D was scuffed as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4OSDfUJ0yk

I assume that was the turning point when Cover gave up doing it at home and decided to take in INNK team because DAMN it was bad, it was so bad it got some SOVL quality and turned up ironically good

>>24747838
It's like they were reenacting the "coomer arm" meme, thank God he bounced back from it because he could be done right then and there

>>24747838
I thought they only managed to integrate the INNK staff into Cover sometime during the 3rd or 4th quarter of 2021?
Also, Cover is lucky that Roberu has enough personality to save what would’ve otherwise been a major disaster

Acen final numbers report:
Concert: Around 1800-2000 people, all seats taken and some standing
Panel: Somewhat conflicting, I counted 3 columns of 20x11 seats, but the middle column could have had more because I was sitting on the right side. The MC claimed the space they cleared out could house 900 but the line was probably around 1000 and I don't think 900 got in.
Cosplay: See attached pic. It was pretty much all Hololive, lots of Myth as expected. I was waiting in line but according to a friend that was there, there were around 100-200 people in the audience? When walking around the convention center I saw one non Holo vtuber cosplay, of course it was an Asian girl cosplaying Vox.

>>24746863
Does suisei actually make the cutoff for this week?

>>24747734
ANON NO

>>24747958
>San
What a madlad.

>>24747958
>Asian Female
>Vox
kek
>>24747962
Yes, she does. At least for this bloke, the one who took over for him a bit did a "Must have at least a FULL WEEK" before going onto the rankings, but the usual dude does a "minimum of 4-5 days?" for the ranking so she'll be in the upcoming week (Exceptions for stupidly fast Covers like CalliGura king that was up for less than 3 but going into the ranking for that week of course).

>>24747958
Is it the same room as this?
https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1527741761292242944/photo/1

This looks like 12 seats for the center row.

>>24747958
There are soratomos in NA?

>>24747958
How many holo jp cosplays are there? I see haachama, coco and Chloe

>>24747260
This is honestly a good take. While Cover generally being slow has good points, it seems they were completely blindsided by the success of Myth and didn't or couldn't capitalize on it. I'm not even sure that another gen will help all that much at this point, especially since EN still lacks easy access to a lot of the hype generators that JP does (like 3D lives).

>>24748209
There's a shuba and suisei too

>>24747958
Both Suiseis must be male right?

>>24748209
There's also a Botan beside one of the Coco cosplays.

>>24747629
And then tomorrow we'll get six of them streaming at 8pm PDT while the rest of the day is empty.

>>24748209
2 Suiseis, a botan, and a shuba besides what was already mentioned

>>24748153
Yes it is the same room, but I still don't really believe there were 900, here's a diagram and seating estimate. It was room 21, 22, and 23. I would guess at most it was 600-700.

>>24747958
Good to see TeddyLoid and that one other performer getting good numbers.

>>24748415
Wow, don't single out a dude like that, anon.

>>24748240
Cover was blindsided for pretty much all of 2020, from both the unexpected successes and scandals. IIRC, Yagoo stated back then they were going to slow down to reorganize and get their shit together. Which has arguably been a success with the constant drip of events and relative lack of yabs (compared to 2020).
Of course, EN management still sucked with Omega still at the helm, but I hope his absence bodes well even in this current lull

>>24748415
You're burying the lede there, the moorish faceless bloke front and center is a whole lot more interesting

>>24748532
>Of course, EN management still sucked with Omega still at the helm, but I hope his absence bodes well even in this current lull
Considering IRyS's situation I really doubt that.

>>24748209
Not sure if they went to that cosplay meetup/event but I saw a really good Towa host club cosplay in a picture yesterday.

>>24747260
>>24748240
Not sure if samefagging bait or retardation. HoloEN CCV and views are still incredibly dominant for both Myth and Council.

>>24748415
Looks like a typical Portuguese to me imo.

>>24747958
Thank you so much for the info anon. I hope you had a fun time. Have a good rest of the day

>>24748415
that's your average vt jannie

>>24748542
What's your problem with Mr. Popo?

>>24748612
>Shortugal

>>24748632
No problem at all, quite the contrary, it is the biggest stand out in the picture exactly because of the quality of his cosplay

>>24744530
Congrats on 100 golds!

>>24748612
>>24748639
YOU JUST MADE YOURSELF A VERY POWERFUL ENEMY!
t. Alberto Barbosa

So Holo clinches the month with either RBC live or Miko stream tomorrow, right?

>>24748285
Those two Suiseis are dudes

>>24748599
I waited in line early because I wasn't really sure how many people would come. My friends who were at the cosplay meetup took that pic and one was in the pic actually. Pretty crazy day for him because he also got selected for the batsu game at the panel and also one of the few to buy a ticket to meet the artist performing at the concert. Very happy for him.

PGL 500K get

>>24748772
Necessary for the flat chest.

>>24748609
They are but they could be way more and their peaks are just going down and down. The cracks in NijisanjiJP starting appearing when they were #1. HoloEN are more cracks that substance, being held together by a core of 15k people who are slowly disappearing. As a NijiEN fan I can't help but see it.

>>24748874
kek

>>24748755
pretty much, we also have lap's bday and miko's outfit just in case

Here is the most recent list of highest peak on record for all of the Hololive Production (Hololive EN + JP + ID and Holostars) members, sorted by
>peak
>date
>type

Here are X interesting things

1) Debuts are the most common types with 24 entries, followed by New Outfits (14x), 3D Debuts (11x), Birthday 3D Lives (7x) and regular 3D lives (Suisei, Marine and Mko)
2) In 2022 Birthday 3D Lives are having a very good run with 4 of them beating the current record for the respective channels (Choco, Aki, Sora and Okayu), that being a good omen for tomorrows Roboco Birthday Live
3) Four of the record highs were on Minecraft collabs: Usaken relay for Moona, Akukin relay for Iofi, EN/JP Portal for Risu and, the most amusing of all IMO;
>Peko-Kiara MC collab, for Kiara
It beat all of Kiara special events: birthday, anniversary and all new outfits
4) Roberu is the only boy to outrank a girl: his 3D debut outranks Risu highest attended stream: her participation on EN/JP Portal on Minecraft. Okashiiyonee?

>>24747958
>That small Gura next to THAT Mori
Chumpedos now cosplaying as other oshis to groom kids I see

>>24748723
I'm Portuguese myself>>24748612
btw, I just find them funny whenever my relatives stand besides me. Smoll, fat(not necessarily full of bad fat but still fat nonetheless), always wearing Plaid shirts of various color...

>>24749173
Must be some expat thing, or some southerner thing.
Here up north there aren't that many midgets like the one in the pic, not anyone under 70 at least.
There are some elderly ones but it is clearly because of malnutrition during their infancy or something because their kids and grandkids are regular sized

>>24745684
La+
> invited to Valkyrie Connect and interviewed Jared Leto
Chloe
> better SC turnout on her birthday than many other holos including Rushia and Coco

Wow how can these girls ever recover

>>24749104
I just realized one thing: No gen 5, gen 6, ID2, ID3 or Uproar beat their debut numbers except
>Nene
with her new model debut.

Of course UPROAR and HoloX didn't have enough time yet to beat it.

>>24749104
i wonder if en3 will be able to beat these council debuts peak. the lowest one (sana) should be possible but idk if they could get 100k+

>>24746584
Except the EN males were a hit with China's fujos. I'd be interested on what their numbers are excluding china viewers.

>>24749411
Anons here will never stop saying the two wasted their chance when they never cared about being at the top of stream numbers anyway but they always fail to point out how the two got what they we're instered in, Chloe displayed obvious interest in getting SC and she is the best on it, if she didn't shy away on her members streams she would top some of the past months, Laplus showed interest in being Cover shill and she is also doing very well on it too even though she is new.

>>24749563
I am genuinely not seeing it UNLESS they make an explicit outreach to get JOP to watch
>which they DID NOT DO for Council
Council debut was one of the most BUNGLED things I've seen with regards to what should be a multicultural language transcending presentation of a new product.
It reminded me of a
>the left can't meme
caricature (pic related), summarized as
>WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS

WORSE! They split it in some three lore heavy videos with a punchline that completely failed to deliver. Even the community
>pray to the cube
and
>pray to the pyramid
was better than whatever they were angling originally.

If Hololive English is not run by retards (big if) they'll go with something simpler this time
>here are five monster girls
>snake girl, horse girl, spider girl, bird girl, slime girl
>they're EXACTLY what it says in the tin
>enjoy, debut is in 12 hours

>>24749780
This thread still can't comprehend that some Holos just wants to have fun or do what they want. Yes I know that this is numbers thread but still.

>>24749901
> some Holos just wants to have fun
They can do that, after they shed some blood for the ensemble like Ayame, Choco, Mel and Aqua.
They can't if they're 2 months into their jobs tho

>>24744961
Gura wants to do EN members so there's a chance. And I'd say Ollie do ID and make it a 3 way collab so Gura and Miko can communicate.

>>24749104
>Rushia biggest stream will forever be Smash Bros collab.
Kek

>>24749973
>They can do that, after they shed some blood
That's called getting into Hololive. If you managed to get past thousands of applications you must have did something right.

>>24750089
While that's true you need at least a token effort before you can rest on your laurels.

>>24749835
>slime girl
I want to fuck her already

>>24750149
>before you can rest on your laurels
Are we talking about council or Holo X right now?

>>24745478
Iirc, they talk about it but they haven't decide on when to do it, Bae said they are still preparing.
Source: Bae and Moona tango stream (only watch it one so i could be misremembering some of the detail)

>>24750232
Ah that's fair i think i remember bae mentioning it on her last minecraft stream, so the tango is more up to date.

>>24748415
why dox mysta?

>>24744353
>edengumi didn't

Its going to be hilarious when Koyori inevitably burns out like every JP holo who works hard
Japanese people have no sense of managing their work

>>24750749
What hialarious about it? Look at Marine now, there's nothing funny, same for Pekora.

>>24750201
>Are we talking about council or Holo X right now?
Here is an interesting piece of data that may correctly address this question.

In the 271 days since debut, Council has 742 streams (an average of 2.7 per day) and 1978 hours streams (an average of 7.3 hours per day, 1.4 hours per day per streamer).
HoloX, conversely, in the 177 days since debut, Council has 1000 streams (an average of 5.6 per day, double of Council) and 2547 hours streams (an average of 14.3 hours per day, 2.8 hours per day per streamer, also double of Council).

That, of course, doesn't mean anything in isolation.
Aqua puts out fewer hours than either Council or HoloX but it is undeniable that her output is top of the industry for whatever she puts out.

But in the context of Council their output is not that influential or remarkable so the head to head comparison with HoloX is very unfavorable for them.

>>24750749
>>24750799
Anon thinks that working hard when you are young and then taking a well deserved rest packed full of money and opportunities
>to take it easy
while being well paid to not to do much is something bad.

>>24750837
>Council has 1000 streams
HoloX has 1000 streams I surely mean

>>24750232
why is their manager pushing minecraft content so much? they even told kiara to seal the cursed EN hole

>>24750952
Minecraft is basically the only thing left that guarantees good numbers for HoloEN.

>>24745773
>JP6
>less potential audience
???
My dude there's so many people who want to watch HoloJP on a given they they'll boost Mio to 20k on Fire and Ice because she's the only one up.

>>24750799
there's some people that get real mad about the whole hard work thing because they think they're cheating their results or they're undeserved or fake or some stupid bullshit like that

>>24744313
>give numberbunny subs while she's gone
She may never come back

>>24748907
NijiJP members with a lot of popularly are mostly still doing well for themselves. Outside of Sana HoloEN is all still strong and even then she's still easily out performing any non-Holo EN girls. Holo is just too dominant and has no tail of low view shitters.

>>24750952
>why is their manager pushing minecraft content so much
Because their management is less retarded than the girls refusing to do it?

It's like turning a money printing machine
>play block game for a couple of hours
>increase your audience threefold
only retards would pass on this deal

>>24745773
ID3
> Blue woman + Cunny + Local audience buff
> New niche : LoL/Mobile LoL woman
> New niche : GFE/High class escort girl
JP6
> New cunny + personality type
> High end design + Water type woman. Also new GFE in hindsight.
> New seiso girl (low numbers in this niche for HoloJP).
> Streaming monster.
> New hag to take some workload from Mio.
EN2
> First entry into EN deep voice niche.
> First EN GFE.
> First somewhat chaotic EN member... who unfortunately already has a lot of personality overlap from the existing chaotic member(s).
> New artist? Baffling decision.
> Australian that's... a streamer. Also the worst mismatch of Lore and Chuuba in the entire gen.
And to top it all off,
> First 2 ENs to debut with a confirmed bf.

They're surpisingly... moderate, for being part of Hololive.

>>24748907
>15k people
what? Are you talking about like, on screen ccv? What kind of retardation makes you think 15k people alone care for HoloEN when there were 1k at a goddamn con today?

>>24751086
>> First entry into EN deep voice niche.
Calliope....

>>24750837
Mayo dog and even Lui skew things a bit since their stream spam is pretty abnormal. Unless someone is basically a work horse like Watame the comparisons will always make them look pretty bad.

>>24750952
>>24751064
When it comes down to it sandbox games with a loose, talent driven plotline are just good content. It was a real shame the Kronii-Mumei-Fauna stuff got dropped before actually given a chance. Damn autistic clock.

>>24745773
They actually stream

>>24747370
you know the saying, "I didn't know I wanted this until now."?
Entertainment industry is all about that chasing the concept encompassed in that one line.
Creation of demand, essentially.

>>24750837
>Hey guys let me give you numbers without providing any contextual data like how council has 4 active streamers while HoloX has 5
Or how game choice wildly affects stream time as people are more likely to stream long hours playing them (Koyori with triple 7-8 hour streams playing powerproc Lui playing Elden Ring)

Is this a stealth Niji fan? This is the EXACT type of shit they’ve done here too. They give out data and leave all the important shit out of it

500k, pretty fast for her.

>>24750837
I'm not sure why you bother to compare Council vs Holo X stream hours when Holo X mogs not just them but literally every other gen in Hololive in hour counts.
Why yes, Pekora does get more views than (picking a random Holo out my ass) Lamy. Does that mean Lamy is a failure when fucking everyone else also get less views then the rabbit? Of course not.

>>24751369
Irys don’t look…

I wonder when the obsession with one holo streaming a lot entered everyone's mind. Hololive is made on the idea that most people know most holos and can watch them, hell we even see this in action today with Mio/Towa/Koyori's massively inflated CCV. I swear this shit wasn't an argument before Council.

>>24751247
"SNOT" seems to be picking it back up and having lots of fun doing it too.
I can only hope they stick with it, Kronii is my EN oshi and her MC antics are fun as fuck

>>24751190
>Mayo dog and even Lui skew things a bit
Nah, that's the thing. Despite having almost one hundred (100) fewer days than Council, these three HoloX have more hours streamed than any of the Council girls
>Koyori
>Lui
>Chloe
Even Iroha is almost catching up to Kronii in hours streamed

The only outliar in HoloX is Laplus, mostly due to few streams and short ones too.

>>24751358
how is streaming more times and putting more hours not an example of putting effort, what is even the point you're trying to make here, like your example just says to me that they're also bad at choosing what to stream
also stop pretending sana doesn't exist, memes are one thing, numbers are another

>>24751125
There were more than 1k, a lot of people couldn't even get in since there was no space lol.

>>24751545
Just checking but this includes Mumei's like dozen unarchived streams, right?

>>24751506
>115k in 18 hours
I might have read that incorrectly but I swear she has been at 115k for like the past 3 hours

>>24751032
In fact, a break like this is dangerous because it creates an exit window when Pekora already has causes for quitting like straining her voice and exhausting her creative output in regards to what she can do as part of Hololive (the game permissions hurt her a lot and she's bad at singing and dancing). She might come back just to hit 2 million subs but if Marine is the first JP to do it then it won't be as compelling. Call me a retard or whatever I don't expect polite replies.

>>24751730
RETARD

>>24751643
It's not a good song in the first place and it has next to zero replayability.

>>24751247
>Kronii-Mumei-Fauna stuff
Wasn't it some cringy Minecraft roleplay? If yes, then goddamn I'm glad she dropped it

>>24751730
Miko already has 5 golds this month and she could easily get 3 more with 2 WWE streams and her 3D Live. This has been a historic month for her. I'm even more impressed than I was with Fubuki's Magicarp month. Fubuki's content was dominated by that but 3 out of Miko's 5 golds aren't even the WWE streams. Historic month.

Oh boy, HoloEN eating big tonight we've got a Amelia Watson Super Sunday for primetime viewing.

>>24751628
>Just checking but this includes Mumei's like dozen unarchived streams, right?
Yes, the only ones not included would be member only streams

>>24751436
>I'm not sure why you bother to compare Council vs Holo X stream hours when Holo X mogs not just them but literally every other gen in Hololive in hour counts.
That may be true but it misses the point.

Here is Gen 4 between Jun 2020 and Feb 2021 vs. Council.
These dates were chosen because it is the limit of Holostats record for Gen 4, and because it makes both gens to have the same approx number of days.

The only gen 4 to put fewer days than *any* council would be Towa, whcih clearly seems to have been the Sana of Gen 4 back then

>>24750426
Don't underestimate Nippleboy!

>>24751765
i like it, been looping it quite a bit

>>24751162
Calli will always be known only for her music, not her streams.
Myth was Golden, but even without comparing to them, council was underwhelming in a lot of aspects.
I was frankly inclined to blame it on all the fucking lore, since it overhyped them to a level that they couldn't really deliver.
But once I dug into it a bit, I realized just how insanely debuffed they were.

> Holo audience is in an absolute slump after Coco's graduation. It's just been 10 days since the big event. Everyone's mood is down.
> Some of the EN audience had outright left, or started watching the NijiEN girls (time period with few Myth streams).
> New announcement hype with some cryptic shit. Hype levels SLAM into 100%. HOLY SHIT HOLOEN 2 FUCK YEAHHHHH.
> It's... Irys. Model, Solo, VSinger tag, collab ban, so many debuffs stacked on her - while also being at the peak of the hype curve.
> One month later... more cryptic lore shit.
> "Oh yaaay... hype, I guess".
> *more cryptic lore shit*
> "Ah fuck off we know where you're going anyway, just announce it".
> EN2 announcement, debuts, go without much issue with moderate hype.
> 2 bfs revealed immediately = More debuff.
> Full collab, Omega announced, tranny shit --> ??? confusion.
> Absolute worst of the sub culls after debut.

I don't think even a JP gen would survive with this amount of debuffs stacked on top of each other.

>>24751906
kek

anyone else feeling the burnout from hololive? it's starting to get boring to be honest. i'm planning on taking a break for a week and see what happens

>>24752199
>His entire lives revolves around hololive
Watch indie
Watch Niji even
Or play vidya
Or touch some grass

>>24752199
at least post lewds before your vacation like a man

>>24751987
the lore shit was bad because of how dragged out it was, if they released it all in one go and gave a debut date then noone would have cared

>>24752287
wait, is that pasta bannable, i swear i've seen it before here without issues

>>24751436
>>24751929
>Here is Gen 4 between Jun 2020 and Feb 2021 vs. Council.
And here is Gen 5 vs. Council. Given that they debuted in the same month it makes for an even simpler comparison.

I don't think anybody though Gen 5 was overextending themselves from debut to May 2021 and, even then, ALL OF THEM outrank EVERY Council in number of hours streamed.
Notice I am not making any judgement of value or merit here, just showing the numbers and they're definitely showing the low output by Council in this period

>>24752337
> he doesn't know
POST SOME LEWDS GODDAMMIT

>>24752439
I always forget how much wamy actually streams

>>24751804
>cringy Minecraft roleplay?
What do you think you're watching anyway?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg_5WgjBc-A

She usually gets like 50 average CCV. An excellent bait

Is there any record on who has won the most golds in a single month?

>>24751987
Consider meds.

>>24752506
Sasuga leech

>>24751987
Lots of those debuffs never mattered to anyone outside of 4chan, the "omegatranny" shit never even took off here, same with boyfriend reveals because everyone expects western women to have at least two boyfriends anyway

Also Coco's graduation had the most viewed stream in Hololive, ever, and even though the girls were down it led to an extreme increase in interest and was the perfect opportunity to show the world that the girls really cared about each other. I'll give you the sub culls though

>>24752439
>>24751929
>>24751545
And here is the punchline. People may thing this is a difference between JP work ethics and NA work ethics so, to make a home based comparison, here is
> Myth vs. Council

EVERY SINGLE MYTH, including "5% Mori", had streamed more hours and put out more streams than Council at the same 270 days mark.
Again
>EVERY
>SINGLE
>ONE

It's not something exclusive to JP, Council simply streams less than the rest of the company

>>24752199
>For a week
Do it longer, I've took Hololive break since ARK arc

>>24752762
HoloEN was a mistake

>>24752762
I think it's clear we need a EN3 to make real comparasions, but I'm sure there will be a lot of "W-well they are bringing back fans in the hype"

Fazebros...we won

>>24752874
and hopefully no culls

>>24752910
>twitch numbers

>>24752762
Can you compare it to their recent output, or on the same period ?

>>24753026
They should just release a quick 10 sec video on the channel the moment they announce EN3 so it doesn't look like botting when a channel with no video explode in subscriptions.

>>24753268
>Can you compare it to their recent output, or on the same period ?
Wut? I compared the first 270 days of each gen. What do you mean, only the (let's say) last 90 days?

I say that will be even less favorable to Council, making the whole exercise pointless.

>>24753436
Let's say the last 180 days ? Myth output also greatly reduced since their debut

>>24752762
council have 2students and someone crippled by injury, not saying they couldn't do more but they are different people with different circumstances

>>24752762
>>24752439
>>24751929
Thank you anon.

Also, I like the fact that you said 'output' instead of streams, people always forget that pre-recorded content is an option. Even if they don't want to stream there should be more pre-recorded content at least.

> Patra VOD cull so far : 1.4k (botted)
> Mysta VOD cull so far : 3.2k (smooth graph)

This all but confirms that Koron and Sara were viewFARMs and not viewBOTs.
Mysta's VOD is still within tolerances.

>>24753470
>council have 2students
Recruitment is to blame on that. Those girls didn't hire themselves

>>24753534
If the views are abnormal and they get culled at some point, chances are it is bots

>>24753392
The Hololive English channel is easily the worst managed part of Hololive, between all the branches.

>>24752874
Anon, they just need to stream more than Myth and Council.

>Let me compare hags who spend their life streaming and playing games to full time college students and people in the work force
/#/ really went off the deep end today.

>>24752762
It's weird to think that no other combination of EN vtubers could have capitalized on their hype and timing the way Myth did, but in hindsight it's probably true. Even 5% Mori, if there's another vtuber in the world with her music production rate I'd like to know who.

>>24753462
I cam comparing head to head, 270 days after debut with 270 days after debut.
it wouldn't be a fair comparison to compare present day Myth which buster their asses 270 days after their debuts and are taking a well deserved reset now after accomplishing everything, with present day Council

>>24753470
>council have 2students and someone crippled by injury, not saying they couldn't do more
They could do way more. WAY more.

In the compared period both Ina and Calli held a second full time job, with Calli holding (IIRC) a full time job *and* a RM music career, while Ina being the absolute topmost most productive illustrator of one of the biggest franchises in the world (as disclosed by her peers in the industry).

>>24753512
>I like the fact that you said 'output' instead of streams
I didn't even took in account the songs and video uploads. That would make the comparison even more lopsided in favor of Myth

>>24751643
IRyS actually has decent early view numbers for her songs but they always have almost no legs.

>>24753780
Her songs are clearly to be consumed elsewhere other than on Youtube.
Anyone numberfagging music platforms? Is she doing better there?

Dead hours is ENs worst enemy.

>>24753634
Patra had a 6k botted peak, but also had her VOD numbers frozen for at least the first 2 hours.
I was trying to figure out if this was viewBOTs or FARMs by comparing the VOD culls, but her botted CCV doesn't seem to have reflected in her VOD at all.
Which means that bots don't reflect in CCV, but farms will.

>>24753634
Any basis for that? The only confirmed bot use was against Millie's streams and that didn't seem to had the behavior you've stated

>>24753862
>don't reflect in CCV
don't reflect in *VOD views I mean

>>24753691
At this point idk if you are baiting or not, but Hololive is not the 2view startup that used to be, even if you are the worst shitter in your branch, as long as you stream it's guaranteed that you'll be successful and fucking rich. So idc if they are busy with other things in their life. If you can't stream, don't join, simple as that. Idk if people should blame Cover or the streamers for this, but they should stop hiring people who are still working in other things or who treat this as a secondary job

>>24753470
Mumei has streamed far less since concluding her "civilization duties". They just don't want to stream.

So the only HoloEN stream scheduled for today so far is a fucking superchat reading?

>>24753865
Sara and Koron's VOD numbers got culled.

>>24753865
>>24753988
> public VOD numbers before the final verification

>>24753719
Dude, who the fuck are you to say who could do more of their time when you don’t even know all of their circumstances? Kids can barely hold a part time job while doing college work and stress about bills and managing dorm shit. You got a full time college student who lives on her own, takes care of her own animal(s), drives and does all the shopping and cooking herself and still streams when she can. Why the fuck are you here trying to act like you know even more and apply pressure to stream more. Same with Bae who’s already said she takes classes and takes care of shit for her family.
I don’t care about comparing hours streamed. But when you start putting your own conjecture to fit a narrative that they’re lazy is just fucked up and stupid.

>>24753832
Spotify stats as they appear for me:
- 80k monthly listeners,
- HCH is at 1.8 million
- Caesura is at 1.37 million
- Diorama at 800k
- All of Journey is between 240k and 385k
- Latest three singles are all below 250k

I don't know if these figures are the same if you were viewing japanese Spotify.

>>24753978
Gura members

>>24753865
>>24753862
Because it's safe to say that viewfarmed viewers are far less likely to ever be detected due to the nature of what they are

>>24754043
Is this particularly good or bad ? How does it compare to other members ?

>>24754039
>who the fuck are you to say who could do more of their time when you don’t even know all of their circumstances?
I am an absolute nobody stating the obvious, that they were hired to do a job that every single one of their peers so far were capable but they were not.
>to fit a narrative that they’re lazy
You can walk back and look anywhere for either that exact accusation or even an implication, you won't find any because I didn't made any judgement of merit or cause.

The only thing I said was
1) all of their peers managed to have a higher output
2) they failed to do so

No explanation was offered.

>>24753978
PFFTAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>>24753988
How do you know their stream was botted instead of viewfarmed?

>>24754043
I'll second >>24754112 request, is there a head to head comparison that makes sense?

>>24754186
Botted streams have no subtlety.

EN3, HoloX3D, Bloom2, give me something, anything please Cover...

>>24753978
At this point i wouldn't be surprised if it's another off collab hidden as a SC reading stream. That would be the peak of Debuffson power level

>>24754112
For as much music as she puts out, pretty bad.

>>24754039
Those girls did not hire themselves. They don't have a business to keep afloat in an competitive environment. Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to hire extremely busy people, especially since they had 2000+ people who auditioned.

Ina Minecraft doko?

>>24754112
>>24754208
Can't say, honestly. I mean I can compare IRyS to Suisei or Azki who are also on the platform but at the same time Suisei for example has much wider reach than just streaming services, and I don't know if nips use Spotify or if they have some other favored streaming platform.

>>24754075
>viewfarmed viewers are far less likely to ever be detected
Sure, but that case still applies in the scenario that Millie's confirmed botted stream never counted into the vod views or was deducted in minutes, while Sara and Koron illegal views were harder to detect and needed hours/days to be deducted from the vod views (assuming the are viewfarm).

>>24754019
See >>24754186

>>24744420

>>24754112
>>24754208
>>24754343
Ina and Kiara both have 95K monthly listeners
Ina's most listened song on spotify is obviously violet with 2.9M
Kiara's Sparks with 3.4M then hinotori with 2.9M (Heart challenger is at 1.3M)

>>24754336
She cancelled it to start her break

>>24754248
Even if non subtle graph is an exclusive behavior of botted streams as you assumed, those aren't Sara/Koron graphs. And patra's vod views hasn't been significantly cut

>>24754453
To complete even if they're on a totally different realm than IRyS
Gura have 258K monthly listeners, with Reflect at 10M, and Q at 3.5M
Mori's at 442K monthly listeners, with RIP as her most listened with 14M, Live again at 9.7M, then OWTH and Red at 8M

>>24754519
>Koron graphs
There isn't any "Koron graphs". She's not tracked by any tracking site that has graphs, the only reason it is even known that she was botted is because she showed up at the final tally for having a 10k+ peak

>>24754336
Ina is gone for a month if not longer anon.

Pomu is inclining

>>24754596
>Male on stream
Every single time with this shit.

>>24754596
collab or solo?

>>24754596
Pomu - Irys/Sana/Bae/Kiara/Mori tier confirmed

>>24754660
She's accepted her place within NijiCN.

>>24754566
She said a month at most plus she has a few streams during her breaks

>>24754112
At first glance she compares to Towa
- 87k monthly listeners,
- Palette is at 3.1 million
- Gen4 collab song is at 1.34 million
- Fact at 900k
- Madoromi, Akuma and Born to be real between 181k and 461k
-Rest are instrumental versions of the songs
That said IRyS has double the amount of orignals listed in Spotify

>>24754672
Solo but she's playing Tomodachi Life with the other nijiEN's as characters

>>24754564
Yeah that's why the statement that 'botted streams' vod views will be cut significantly after or during processing' is still debatable since the ones that got cut significantly isn't a confirmed bottled stream, and the ones that are confirmed haven't been reported to have their vod views cut significantly after or during processing.