/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2491923
Non-themed gens are weaker than themed gens

>>2491923
Sankisei is the strongest gen in Hololive. Then Gamers, then EN.
It's really hard to compete with the quality. And Yonkisei has had too many individual yabs that have undermined collabs and potential help between each other.

>>2491923
Debuff from having an American.

>>2491923
Reminder Pekora and Marine applied for Nijisanji and got rejected just for Luna to fill in the slot.
Now look where they are now, Pekora and Marine are the biggest female vtuber in Japan while Luna got into 4 gen, I bet Niji audition team still seething about how they reject Pekora and Marine before.

>>2492018
explain EN then idiot

>>2492056
To be fair, EN is only as American as slaves counted for electoral and government representation pre-Civil War
Three-Fifths

>>2492056
not a JP branch

>>2492152
meds

>>2492029
>Niji audition team still seething about how they reject Pekora and Marine before.
That begs the question of, if they would be nearly as popular as they are now if they're weren't Marine or Pekora

>>2492029
Given how Niji handles their talent, I honestly doubt Pekora or Marine would be in the same position they have now if they were under Niji. That's not to say tribalistic shit like Cover>Niji, it's just that Niji has a perceivable problem in that area.

>>2491923
Towa doesn’t use her natural voice and could be doing a lot more to appeal to her audience
Watame... there’s nothing wrong with her
Coco does members only because of Chinese faggots
Luna is just fucking annoying
Kanata I don’t watch much so idk

>>2491923
>Debuts 4 months earlier than Gen 4
Gen 4 is doing fine anon. Gen 3 is in their peak popularity since they are near the 1mil sub mark. Gen 4 will be like this as well. I'm just glad Towa and Luna are getting more views now. I remember back when they struggle to get 1k views.

>>2491949
If I may ask, what is it that makes Gen 3 themed, and Gen 4 non-themed?

>>2492617
Sankisei are themed after conventional fantasy characters, although the most popular member is probably the oddest one out thematically. But in no particular order:
Noelle > Danchou/Knight
Rushia > Necromancer
Marine > Pirate Captain
Flare > Elf

And Pekora is of course a bunny girl.

>>2492617
Gen 3 has a themed group name - hololive fantasy. The only other hololive branch with a themed group name is the EN branch with holomyth.

>>2492385
>Luna is just fucking annoying
you've crossed a line lad

>>2492832
you forgot Gamers

>>2492378
What is the problem?

>>2492860
Ah right, them too.

>>2492815
Gen 4 is more "Fantasy" than 3. Like how is a pirate and knight considered fantasy-like when both exist in real life?
Meanwhile 4 has a shapeshifting dragon, a sheep bard, a angel, a demon, and a candy princess.

>>2491923
Gen 4 doesn't really have the same feeling of unity that gen 3 has.

>>2492617
Gen 4 doesn't really have as clear as a theme compared to Gen 3 and HoloEN Myth.

Coco - Dragon who came to Earth to study Japanese and learn human culture.
Kanata - Angel who came to study on how to heal people
Towa - Devil trying to become an archdemon but failing miserably by streaming and gaming instead
Watame - Potato chip-eating sheep bard
Luna - Candy princess who came from the moon (according to her)

Gen 3 - basically fantasy / rpg characters
Myth - 4 "mythical creatures" and a detective who is investigating them.

The themed generations gives an impression of unity compared to non-themed generations, but that's only the case for people who barely know them.

too many 'silent' member
not enough moe
not enough friend bonding

>>2493019
Is the potato chip thing really apart of the lore Cover gave her? I thought it was something she made up in the summer.

>>2493019
>Gen 3 - basically fantasy / rpg characters
>Myth - 4 "mythical creatures" and a detective who is investigating them.
Gamers - carnivore mammals

Botan induction when?

>>2493019
Deep Holo Lore time:
Candy Kingdom is an imperialist expansionist monarchy, that drove out Pekoland from the moon, hence Pekora's earlier debut in order to support herself during exile. Luna then came with 4th gen to both humiliate the defeated Pekoland royalty and continue her kingdom's expansion to Earth. Moona is Luna's personal 'chaperone' to make sure Pekora follows the Candy Kingdom line, and after a private outburst against Luna, Pekora has been sent to re-education prison

>>2492378
Could be this or Cover really had a way with their audition team which can see through psychology level.
Pekora used to be a trouble maker and had a sour relation with Aqua which at that time was Queen of Hololive while Marine is failed artist and just a decent utawaku, yet Cover decided to go with both of them.

>>2492029
If they had gotten into Niji, Pekora would have been another Roa and Marine would have been the livers/staffs cumdump.

>>2492056
>spic
>gook
>kraut
>wigger
>burger
There's really only one American, and she's of the better rural breed.

>>2493220
>wigger
>not american
Anon... I...

>>2493126
>carnivore mammals
Animal gods actually

>>2493083
>Coco and Kanata moved in together
>Coco before the zhang arc helped a lot of members deal with their EOP fanbase or other emotional arcs like Aqua's Smash yab
>Watame became great friends with almost every member and best friends with Fubuki and Flare
>Luna, who was originally the "hardest to get along with" member in the company ended up being one of the most collab-friendly members months later and occasionally visits the originally friendless Subaru
Them being 'not moe' or 'silent' is debatable, but they're easily the most friendship building gen.

>>2493218
Naah Marine can climb to the upper circle, her social skills is really charming.

>>2493105
I always wonder to what extent the holos have influence over their design and setting, official bios included, because Watame's bio stands out as being something that seems like it might have been written/dictated by her but the others don't. I'm almost certain the EN girls all wrote their own bios since they all read completely differently from one another

>>2493327
Pekora, Marine, and Rushia already done most of this "friendliness" shit and even extended it further seeing how they collab with other branches as well. 4th Gen doesn't even collab with themselves after their debut months were over.

>>2492305
Pekora was already fairly popular before joining Hololive and most of her fanbase comes from the nips.
Obviously she wouldn't be as popular since no one watches Niji, but she'd be one of the more popular ones if she joined the company.

>>2491923
that's relative, if you are speaking as of right now then sankisei has more subs and views, but you are not considering that sankisei has 5 months of advantage since the debut of yonkisei, Pekora the biggest in sankisei had around 446k subs after a year, while Luna the smallest in yonkisei had a similar number in a year with 418k subs, that's why 4th gen is stronger than the 3rd, they got more in a short amount of time than their senpais, it only took 11 months for Coco to reach 1 million subs, for Pekora was 17 months

>>2493105
No that's been a thing since literally her debut

>>2499453
>it only took 11 months for Coco to reach 1 million subs
13 months fo Coco, still less than Pekora

>>2499453
That's more indicative of Hololive as a whole inclining than 4th gen specifically. 3rd gen was (and still is) growing much faster than 4th gen when it starting attracting EOPs from clips.

>>2491923
Nobody else can compete with Gen 3, they're by far the most popular. But Gen 4 make more money than any other gen except 3, Coco obviously makes absurd amounts of money but Kanata and Watame aren't far off, and Towa and Luna are much higher in the superchat rankings than you'd expect from their subcount

>>2492018
Coco's the most popular in Yonkisei though.

>>2499756
Gen 4 doesn't have as much unity as Gen 3. If Towa and Kanata did more collabs together they'd both be much better off than they are now.

For me it feels like it's a unity thing. Gen 3 and Gen 5 have members that collab with each other often, so even if you just watch one talent from that gen you get introduced to the others quite often and you start to watch the others too. Plus there's a bunch of inside jokes in these gens that you only get if you start watching the others more too.

There are so many burdens she has to carry. Sometimes merely staying on your feet without losing ground is an achievement, but the future is already looking bright. I don't believe she has reached her peak yet.

>>2499620
talk with numbers faggot

>>2492029
First time I heard this. Where's the sauce? From the depths of your anus?

>>2492832
>>2492617
Gen 4 was supposed to be Holo-Earth (ホロアース), Coco even joked about Holo-Ass and from there they kinda buried that name.

>>2500020
People always say that and I think it helps but it's definitely not just that, Gen 3 and 5 are the two with by far the most "gen unity" and while 3 is obviously incredibly successful, 5.... really isn't to be honest, I know they're still the newest but except for Lamy's money making ability their all round numbers are really mediocre at best compared to the others

>>2491923
They did have a good chance of catching up to gen 3 if Towa was more of a team member and coco was able to do more asacoco.

>>2500302
You are right in terms of numbers. But personally for me, the reasons above was why I enjoyed these 2 gens. My fault for trying to answer the original question with personal opinion

>>2492860
Gamers is not it's own gen, i'd refer to them as a grouping like the Anpontan sisters, MiComet etc.
Mio was brought in by Fubuki and tends to be seen as Gen2 since she vibes with Subaru, OkaKoro were quite the lucky addition after FBK rightly complained that most multiplayer games go up to 4 people and now look how many of them they play... FBK... gamers pls...

>>2492385
Being annoying is part of her charm

>>2493017
Or gen 5 for that matter, they're also really tight.

Gen 4 tried for a while but split into countless subgroups for several collabs, the PPTrio (no Luna or Towa), the Switch-Owners (without Coco) etc.

Never seen all 5 of them do stuff together.

>>2500350
You're free to enjoy what you want anon and I'm not aiming that specifically at you, I'm just saying that gen unity alone can't explain Gen 3's success

>>2500378
What do you mean, Subaru is the 4th member of Gamers right? Not sure why they started calling themselves SMOK instead of the gen name though

>>2500725
this cool Fox had to abandon her passion project to swoop in and rescue two failing members with potential under the name of "THE IDIOTS" (ばかたれ)

>>2500725
No newfagchama
Fubuki, Mio and OkoKoro are Gamers
Subaru is 2nd gen
SMOK is just an unofficial group between four people who mesh well

>>2501764
not even that guy but
>what is a sarcasm

>>2501764
Autismchama...

sankisei is just THAT good
every single one of them are really good at what they do

>>2492835
Look man to each and their own but to me her high pitched voice is so grating, as well as her “baby” like mannerisms. Can’t stand that shit

There is no special answer to do with "themes" or "unity". It's simple - gen 3 is just absurdly good. Normally a Holo gen will have a single standout like Coco or Aqua. One that clearly has more appeal and popularity than the rest of their generation. Gen 3 has FOUR OF those (sorry flare...) in a single generation. Marine, Pekora, Rushia, and to a lesser extent Noel are all top tier. Marine and Pekora are two of the top three Hololive JP streamers.

Gen 1, 2, 4, and 5 are all full of dead weight whereas gen 3 is all killer, no filler.

>>2503093
Gen 5 has to be my favourite, no duds there.

I liked their Roki performance in Beyond The Stage. Also, Towa bought them all cake and made cool flower things I forget the name of.

Remember that one gen competition with aqua fubuki and noel as the judge and every gen that present there envy them because of how much they know each other? that's why.

>>2503009
>high pitched voice is so grating
How do you feel about Ollie, Pekora or her poor imitation: Kiara?

>>2503791
Polka has been getting pretty "dud" numbers lately. Is there any reason other than her cancelling collabs?

>>2507989
or Subaru

>>2493019
Gen 5 has a theme, though. It is boobas

>>2492815
Funnily enough, before I got properly stuck into hololive, I thought Watame was part of the Fantasy gen

>>2500187
Why would anyone "talk with numbers" when addressing the statistics illiterates?

>>2492973
Because in Japan, branding and conventions are far more rigid. If its not in Dragon Quest then its technically not fantasy according to the Japanese.

>>2493398
Rushia just didn't want to ruin the GFE part (and too lazy to do dancing/singing). Pekora is literally a hikki. Marine wasn't so much friendless as too much of an OL to connect with the girls initally, like a 40yr old attending freshman college courses.

>>2507989
Or matsuri, or mel, or miko.
There is a real dearth of baritone voices for girls in all of VA work because most women are too embarrassed of it.

>>2515356
Kanatan...

>>2516613
if not then you are another SEAnigger talking up your ass

>>2518682
>PPT
>gen 5
Anonchama...

>>2492890
they wouldn't ban collab with males

>>2500158
The thousand of dollars also help lol

>>2519847
>get pointed out the reason Gen4 grew faster than Gen3 was Hololive in general reaching the peak of popularity well after Gen3's debut
>an undisputable fact that doesn't even need numbers to even corroborate at this point
>"S-SEAnigger"
Stop snorting crayons... lead is bad for the brain.

>>2492056
A mistake

>>2500700
Can't it be said that Gen 5 isn't as successful as Gen 3 be explained because of certain happenings around that time + HoloEN's debut having a negative effect on their growth?

>>2523219
They grew very well at the start, but yeah the Aloe yab was a major deal breaker

HoloEN was fast tracked to immediately bury the whole drama but they became an overnight hit that they took away all eyes from Gen 5

Doesn't also help that the people in 2ch/5ch think HoloEN was a better Hololive experience than Gen 5

>>2491923
Not sure what you even mean, but it doesn't help that they've got pretty disparate tastes in games. Towa does FPS almost exclusively and is one of the gotos for collabs with other companies, Coco loves her jank survival games, Luna plays RPGs, Nintendo games, and Tony Hawk, the Switch owners in general, etc.

>>2502962
Yeah, I can agree with this.

>>2516816
Which is a real damn shame. So many girls, especially Towa IMO have so much potential with their deep voices but have to use fake high pitched voices because of japfags

>>2491923
Anyways, I think that as a Gen, each of the sankisei are both individually talented as entertainers as well as very good at playing off of each other as well as their sempais/kohais when it comes to collabs. The yonkisei are all very talented as well, but are a little more isolated when it comes to collabing with their own genmates. They generally do their own thing so I have problems remembering the yonkisei as a group compared to knowing them individually.

>>2521791
numbers nigger, your quotes or whatever means nothing

shut the fuck up you retards 4kisei has luna himemori in it making automatically on par with the best of the best

Kanata (who is going deaf) and Watame are the only ones who aren't geared for an extremely niche audience

>>2527052
Wrong
Sankisei is the best by default because my pirate cosplayer wife with a huge ass and delicious large sagging veiny tits is in it

>>2492029
I doubt it. Pekora and marine are golden crops, but Yagoo luck are the one expose it. If they on nijisaji, the probably become another who.

>>2491923
Marine has a super strong presence so the 3rd generation just looks something special. Imagine them without Marine. It'd be basically the same as the 4th.

>>2491923
why do you retards keep kisei this kisei that
n-gen is easier to say

>>2536295
kys kiseijuu

>>2503791
Luna and Lamy are mediocre, Botan and Nene are good but not top tier in terms of star power.

>>2536592
>Luna
>Gen 5

>>2527052
Luna is one of the worst hololive girls from a character design perspective, she will never be a main character

>>2536601
Sorry, I'm retarded

I meant Polka

>>2492029
Luna wasn’t Niji........

>>2536644
Her roommate was though

>>2536644
https://youtu.be/luMHkd0sJZA
Her old Live2D was so much better

>>2493019
Watame and Luna really stand out with their lore. Like the first 3 are pretty normal lore and then you get her with Candy Princess and Sheep Girl

>>2536693
What was this concept again? Neet devil girl? Probably fits her actual personality more but her voice suits Luna better. I also heard rumors that she’s jumped around like 5 times before hololive and has commitment issues

>>2493249
You can be a yuropoor or a bong and still be a wigger.

>>2536855
But how?
According to nijifags, Nijisanji is better than Hololive.
And according to the schizos the girls are being hold back and limit them.
Why would Luna stay in Holo if she has commitment issues along with those disadvantages?

>>2492018
>>2492152
You will never be japanese and Coco will always be number ONE

>>2536855
>I also heard rumors that she’s jumped around like 5 times before hololive and has commitment issues
That is just a cope narrative from Nijiniggers, her history before Hololive is well documented and their "proof" of her lack of commitment is that she created a new identity rather than returning to her original channel after leaving Niji

>>2491923
I see schizo thread, I sage

>>2547462
>not using polite sage at all times anyway

I love Coco and there's nothing you can do to make me think otherwise.