/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2612427
Who consistently has the most viewers these days? Is it still Pekora?

>>2612427
Why did Gura lose so much viewership? I tried watching Codemiko and she's boring as fuck.

People might make fun of girls with smaller numbers but I always say when you type in the chat of a small numbers girls she holds you closer to her heart.

>>2612714
Don't worry, VOD views matter more now.

>>2613021
Numberfagging dies when you see an indie having an autistic meltdown of joy because there's 20 people watching her

>>2612714
The fad passed so the casuals moved on.
Now just the more dedicated fans remain. She still routinely gets 15k to 20k viewers though so she is doing just fine despite what the schizos will tell you. Her VOD views are huge too, easily the bigges in hololive in that regard.

>>2613324
>Her VOD views are huge too, easily the bigges in hololive in that regard.
Cope, your shark is reclining.

Hololive release their first proper group album soon, what will the numbers be?

>>2613357
>muh live views
kys

>>2612427
I honestly didn`t expect Moririn to be so high..

>>2613357
NouFAGi cope. Sorry that Pekora's toddler fans don't know how to operate youtube to watch VODS.

>>2613324
Her and Pekora can battle in Vod Views per video, but since Pekora streams a whole lot more, she mogs Gura in total vod views. In live views its no contest.

>>2612496
yes

>>2612714
unsustainable fad viewership, i fully expect holoEN2 to never get as big as holoEN1 was due to the hype it had behind it.

TICK
TOCK

reminder that youtube hides a good portion of the live viewers count.

>>2613612
I don't really get how this is supposed to be evidence for that though? Doesn't it just show that twitch vods are less watched than youtube. Like you would expect from the site built around live streaming rather than video viewing.

>>2613598
Based

>>2613469
Rent free.

>>2613939
>Doesn't it just show that twitch vods are less watched than youtube
no it doesnt, because there you are already using the premise that Miko could carry nearly all her viewerbase from youtube to twitch platform.
See how the live viewers are almost the same on both sites; however, those twitch streams were guerilla ones made with no previous warnings, and with no way of Miko communicating with her fanbase based on youtube that she`d suddenly be changing to twitch; or also that most of her casuals, who make her live numbers fluctuate from 12k to nearly 18k lives at youtube, would actively and randomly take the effort to suddenly check her twitter, which was where she said she was doing a twitch stream (youtube was bugged those 2 days).

I would like to know merch numbers, nijifags brag about it all the time but i've never seen concrete numbers on either cover or ichikaras side, I know merch can be huge but I have yet to see any NUMBERS

>>2613612
to add to that

>>2613598
That's not fair. The gap is small only because YouTube retards decided to delete 2k sub bots of my Tenchou, which now gives an unfair advantage to Ina.

>>2615311
The only real solid good numbers I think there are is for CDs and BDs because Oricon reports those publicly.

>>2613598
>Doing a karaoke sub begging stream to 900k and she's almost tied with Ina again.

Orange woman can't win huh

watch Kiara lose another 10k subs as soon as Ina reaches her

>>2616005
They deleted her subs.

why are takodachis like this

>>2615311
The BD Nijisanji released in October last year of their tour cost about $170 and sold 8,276 in the first week for about $1.4 million revenue. About equivalent to the entire year of Coco superchat revenue.

>>2616931
>comparing the bd revenue (not profit lol) of a whole company against one holo sc.

>>2613612
>>2615489
These charts mean jack squat because we don't know if the numbers prior to YouTube's counter update were genuine or not. The scenario ranges from the best case where YouTube correctly blocked all the spam views from the counter to the worst case where the numbers pre- and post-update are both not accurate because counting real viewers is a hard problem.

>>2617224
ogey

>>2617196
It's comparing the revenue of a single piece of merchandise to the superchat revenue to get an idea of how it stacks up? One item of merchandise can bring in more revenur in a week than the top superchat earner in the industry can in a year.

>>2616005
One who knows only how to want.
A pig’s greed is the ugliest thing there is.

>>2613612
>>2615489
cope youtube is killing your viewbots and its sitewide, not just vtubers.
>While hours watched on YouTube Gaming are stumbling, viewership is up 28% year-on-year, but has started to dip per quarter. Viewership is down 28% compared to Q4 2020, but overall growth is still happening.
>Viewership is down 28% compared to Q4 2020, but overall growth is still happening.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2021-04-14-twitch-continues-to-grow-in-q1-2021-but-youtube-gaming-is-lagging
twitch is also doing it too killing bots.
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/xqc-loses-2-million-twitch-followers-as-platform-clamps-down-on-bots-1553717/
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/twitch-takes-action-after-7-5m-bots-boost-streamer-followers-views-1553650/

>>2617313
you`re comparing their yearly festival blueray with one holo sc, retard. Or do you think their shitty stickers, posters and keychains can sell as much or as expensive.

>>2612427

>>2617459
>believing youtube`s twitter account`s word on it
the truth is that their AI is so shitty and they are so greedy+lazy that they wont try to fix it. It`s a bug turned feature now.

>>2617604
JP Twitter account said it was a known problem but EN Twitter account said it was a feature when it happened.
Youtube also started to massively delete likes even in members only streams.

>>2617525
It's not their yearly festival it's a national tour of japan and I don't think I said anything about other items of merchandise did I?

>>2616005
KR fanbase popl. > Deutsche fanbase popl.

And Ina is also renowned outside just V-tubing. Pandering to /vt/ won't be enough

>>2617683
>in october 2019 it was a music festival
>in october 2020 it was a tour
so still an yearly festival

>>2617864
Not really, they were supposed to have an actual festival last year but covid.

>>2616931
Beyond the Stage and Bloom BDs are coming out soon, I'll be interested to see those numbers

>>2618073
They've gone for pricing closer to anime BDs on those haven't they?

>>2618285
Yeah, ¥6,600 for Bloom and ¥13,200 for 2nd fes

>>2613598
>>2616005
>Ina about to go on a big online art event hosted by Wacom
She's about to take the lead again for the first time in ages.
KFP will need to be there for their chikin.

>>2618499
Maybe if it does well people might finally accept that merchandise can make money.

>>2612427
>from 40k+ views avg to 20k+ post December to 18k views
>2.5m subs

>>2617604
How is an intentionally implemented feature update a bug?

>>2619058
There is no way in hell Pekora got fewer viewers this February than last May lmao

>>2619058
But muh VOD views :(

>>2619058
People blame this all on a "bug" with the claim with that was it was implemented in December and had immediate impact. Lets say we accept that much for the sake of argument. What explains the continued decreases since then? Actual decreases?

>>2619058
that global drop on december.. susan you told me they were lying...

>>2619306
I don`t think anyone denies gura`s drop, anonchama, or are you arguing with yourself?

>>2619058
>still mogs peckor on vod views even when actively debuffing herself.

>>2619442
Chumkeks do.

>>2619442
It doesn't look like just Gura though. Pekora dropped 5k, Marine 10k, Korone 5k with quite a lot of others having declines too, and most of the ones that aren't going down are just staying around the same as they were.

>>2619306
It's fair to say that the fad around Hololive that exploded around the EN debuts has worn off at least a little and some of the casuals have left and aren't being replaced as quickly as they were with the insane sub growth late last year. That explains small decreases in most but not all Holos from the start of 2021 to now. What that doesn't explain is huge drops between November and December for EVERYONE except Moona (Usaken arc) and Mel (EOP saviorfags probably)

why does gura have so little views question mark submit post

>>2619749
...bot-chama...

>>2619692
Cope amd seethe faggot

Memeshark is reclining and is gonna graduate

>>2620079
is that before or after she releases the 5 original songs shes working on?

>>2619928
if i was a bot how would i solve the captcha question mark attach basedjack.tiff log submit post

>>2620079
I don't even watch EN let alone Gura but nice attempt at trolling redditspacer, have a pity (You)

>>2619306
>>2619692
fad is gone and vaccine.
see youtube Q4 2020 to Q1 2021

>>2620524
And yet Twitch's Q1 2021 had over a billion more hours watched than Q4 2020, the "vaccine" hasn't done shit, this is just Youtube being retarded

https://www.streamscheme.com/twitch-viewbot-guide/
Twitch viewbots even look official at this point, twitch doesn`t want to do shit about them

>>2620948
expect twitch to drop next quarter.

>>2620524
Some kinda viewbot purge and/or algorithm change seems more likely for a drop that extreme.

I just think there haven't been any good reasons for EN to incline. For example, just talking about stuff after the Dec 2020 cliff, you can tell from >>2619058 when Haachama was doing her horror shit, or when Kiara did her re-debut. You can also look at Suisei and Coco, who have clear patterns of spike > recline > repeat over the years.

I'd be willing to bet that Calli should see a spike for her Apr 2020 numbers (April Fools + EP/BD + other colabs) assuming nothing dumb happens in the next 2 weeks.

>>2613612
>>2615489
>>2619058
Something I noticed watching Pekora vs Botan stream last day, is that the live views kept rising and dropping on a clear pattern. Everytime they were on the wait for a new game period, the live would drop to 23-24k, and as soon as they started the actual game rounds, it would go up to around 28k, every single time.
I dont really believe something like 4k people (nearly 20% of the audience) kept constantly leaving and coming back to the stream at the exact time games would start or end, there`d be no way to know it, nor there`d be a reason for you to keep coming back and out again every single time, when you know there will be another round.
Im thinking this fluctuation in the numbers has something to do that "spam viewer" bullshit. When out of the game, the viewers` chat activity would fall, maybe they`d browse a second window while waiting; and when a new round started, they`d tab right back, and get more active on chat again.
Im thinking youtube doesnt count as live viewers those kinds of viewers who are not sending messages in chat and/or doesnt have the stream as their first tab.

>>2615834
>That's not fair
>The gap is small only because YouTube retards decided to delete 2k sub bots of my Tenchou
So using sub bots is "fair"? Do KFPs really?

>>2622939
I see that happening all the time with non Hololive streamers as well, I think people just check into the streams every now and then to see if anything particularly interesting is happening and the views retained depends on whether or not there is. It might seem like a large number but you’d be surprised by the amount of people who either don’t have the attention span to stick along throughout most of the stream or are more occupied with other things

>>2622939
JOPs and SEA are mobilefags so those spikes are them tabbing out to post in 5ch or doing irl like on the train heading home or someshit.

>>2622939
It's just people doing something else in the downtime. It's a common pattern on streams like that.

>>2613598
GO INA GO
DIE KIARA DIE

>>2623291
>>2623501
Eh I`m not sure about that, I`ve noticed the same thing with Gura streaming Devil May Cry - chat spams some meme, live viewers go up around 1k, spam ends, it drops back down.

>>2623399
this might be it, considering that gura must also have a lot of kids watching on mobile

>>2618928
Ina was ahead of shitbird for the entire month of April. Then Kiara threw a pity party in a desperate attempt gain 6k subs. Ina doesn’t have to depend on cheap tricks and gimmicks to gain subs. Kiara was down 1k, gained 6k, and is desperately clinging to a 1k lead for now.

>>2623949
70% of youtube audience are mobilefags/tablefags tbf

>>2623997
holy shit thats the members isnt it

>>2623949
I mean if you look at streams for games like apex when they are playing on a custom server or valorant its quite common to see a drop off when they are out and then it climbs back up when they are playing again.

>>2623997
Is she the most memeber'd Holo?

>>2612496
yes.

>>2612496
No, it's Gura because [insert cope here]

Holy fuck, getting here only to expect simple subcounts race, maybe concurrent views and vods flamewars, not some Excel, pie charts, line graphs schizos, fucking kneels...

>>2623997
>$55,678.42 a month.
that's a lot a money a month even if she only see like 30% of it

>>2625194
That's assuming it's all USD which is one of the more expensive currencies for memberships. ARS is obviously the most extreme example but Australia, Canada, Japan and Taiwan all pay less than 5 USD a month to be a member

>>2625283
It would be interesting if we can find out how much each country makes up for the memberships. i'm guessing NA makes up about 80-70% for EN

>>2623997

>>2617430
is this some kind of indonesian saying?

>>2622939
i heard live views only count active tab, so even if you open the stream but view another tab, it doesnt count. People might tabbed out and come back again when they hear the round started

>>2613598
Do you think kiara is going to congratulate ina when ina hits 1 mil first?

>>2629499
Yes, she loves Ina. But she will also be very sad. Self worth may never recover.

>>2613598
there are other factors but huke really fail to make kiara stand out. Her design is so mediocre.

>>2612427
HoloID numbers

>>2612427
how do we save hololive?

>>2632329
Iofi deliberately wants a low viewership for some odd reason. She's talked about refusing to play Minecraft and not caring about her numbers. Who knows what goes on in that fujos mind.

>>2612427
Gura will beat Ai to 3 million

>>2632329

>>2630365
this
only her eyes are good

>>2617676
That was only last week, and only lasted about five days. Its not happening anymore that I can see

>>2623166
anon i think he was being sarcastic

>>2635335
She is thinking beyond the numberfaggotry

>>2635675
Which is fine for us, outside of this thread's autism us fans shouldn't obsess over numbers. But anyone who's actually worked a real job knows that numbers are how your success is judged, and lofi has some of the absolute worst in the company, if she was working in a regular sales job and not lucky enough to be in a huge entertainment group like Hololive and a branch with seemingly lax management and deliberately made herself less popular by doing something like that, she'd have been fired a long time ago

>>2621337
Damn. This is big.
Does Vtwitcher like Vshoujo and others had their live viewers dropped?

>>2637652
Live viewers I dont think so, VODs for sure will drop

>>2619457
meds

>>2637652
I thought it mainly affected follower count?
Some of the big channels lost up to millions of followers.

>>2619749
I must know as well. I will keep asking this question until the heat death of the universe.

Here are your numbers for the 17th of April

The chumbuds always win in regards to numbers

>>2645918
Predictions for Nene's 3D tomorrow? I say 70k is realistic

>>2647766
Yeah, that's about my guess too

>>2612427
I haven't watched Kizuna Ai since forever.
I guess the last thing I watched was her RE7 End of Zoe DLC playthrough?
It was kinda cute how she's rp-ing as Joe trying to save Zoe.

>>2647766
Polka 3D: 95k
Botan 3D: 99k
Lamy 3D: 94k
Nene redesign reveal: 111k
I think we're looking at 90k at least

>>2612427
Korene still kicking it, huh. That's a surprise...

>>2648158
She still gets some very impressive viewer figures at times, it's just that most of what she plays filters 99% of her casuals