/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2746124
KFP EXPLAIN THIS?

TICK TOCK SHITOMAE INANUS

>>2746124
Is Kiara's roommate baggage really too much of a burden? I feel like she tries the hardest among EN.

>>2746165
what baggage bro, is this some KFP cope or something? What baggage could she possibly have that the others don't match

>>2746124
kek. Tako is based.

The tick tock is never ending, they somehow both keep passing eachother in subs.

How does this keep happening? She had like a 3k lead because of the karaoke stream.

>>2746196
Ina doesn't have any baggage. Kiara has to deal with past shit like Nyanners does.

>>2746226
Kiara and Ina somehow catch up to eachother in subs all the time. They're fated to both get 1 million at the same time.

>>2746226
The lead is a lie

>>2746240
>Ina doesn't have any baggage
Yeah because she's the perfect daughter
>Kiara has to deal with past shit like Nyanners does
nyanners does just fine, EN fans don't have much of an attention span anyways

>>2746278
Nyanners could be doing better, like how Kiara could.

>>2746259
I hope they both get 1 mil at the same stream, that Kiara can keep her ego intact and Ina doesn't have to feel bad getting 1 mil before Kiara

>>2746226
because whatever people kiara attracts with her event streams then discover and sub to the other girls, because a lot of her strongest content is her collabs with them (her SC readings are too long to be digestible for new subs, meanwhile the collabs tend to be shorter and fun packed)

>>2746317
Anons would probably sub to Kiara to match Ina's numbers and then unsub to troll.

The lead is a lie. I run a botnet with over a hundred thousand accounts that subscribe and unsubscribe to Ina and Kiara so that they hit 1 million at the same time

Doesn't really matter. Kiara will do an endurance singing to 950K from 935K and do an endurance singing and pity sub farming from 975K to reach 1M. Unless Ina has an early 25K lead, Kiara will win.

And if Kiara doesn't, its KFP's fault for not marketing her enough.

>>2746226
KFP use sub bots

>>2746487
Proof?

>>2746628
no

>>2746124
pathetic
the desperate 900k stream was for nothing

>>2746458
The fact that Kiara has to try this hard to achieve the same thing which Ina effortlessly attains is itself a giant L for the bird.

>>2746124
Those 908k Kiara subs?
Yeah, they're all me.

>>2746670
It was all for nothing since after that stream she lost 2k and had to hit 900k again. Even with the boost from holotalk, Ina still catches up. They should honestly just collab for sub goals since they will never have a lead over the other for that long.

>>2746226
Well, according to the sub tracker Ina started getting 2k a day instead of the usual 1k a day after hitting 900k. That's how she caught up. If it continues that way she'll be out of reach soon. But more than likely the same subs curse will make it stop now that she's she same number as Kiara.

>>2746842
>>2746826
It doesn't matter what either do, the other will always catch up in the end.

>>2746124
>two same numbers
てぇてぇ

>>2746826
HoloTalk doesn't even give a boost anymore and hasn't for a long time. Honestly I don't think it even matters what content they put out anymore.

If you need further proof, when Kiara was literally shadowbanned and had most of her videos deleted, she STILL gained 1k subs a day. Yeah it reduced the subs gain by like 50% (back then they still got 2k per week, this is how Ina caught up), but still gaining 50% of your subs when NOBODY FUCKING SEES YOUR NEW VODS basically means VODs aren't all that important. Now imagine how little it matters what they're actually doing on-stream.

I bet most of the subs these days just come from clipfags.

>>2746628
>kiara lost subs
>youtube is known to delete sub bots en masse

>>2746955
>most of the subs these days just come from clipfags
Thats probably true, considering how many views some of the clips get. Theres even a clip channel that has more total channel views than Gura.

>>2746992
No, it was the samefag SEA schizo who mass subbed and unsubbed from her after the stream.

Man, I know there are some Kiara haters here but as someone who's first exposure to the two of them being their Arknights Tier list collab, I want them to reach 1M at the same time.

>>2746992
The same thing happened to Mori when she got an influx of subs to reach one million. And the same thing happened to Gura for two million.

>>2746124
>>2746165
>>2746226
>>2746295
>>2746458
>>2746487
>>2746670
>>2746777
>>2746826


The only number that matters $$$.

>>2746879
It honestly does matter what they do, Ina reaches her numbers without needing to do anything, if Kiara stops doing her sub begging streams she'll absolutely get overtaken by Ina and if she stops for long enough the gap that forms will become insurmountable.

>>2747067
They were also using bots.

>>2747046
Just don't expect them to do that stupid "celeberation collab" idea, they will want to celebrate it privately with their fanbase

>>2747078
Tell that to Kiara.

>>2747078
Ina is already rich enough.

>numberfaggot
>capeshit reference

>>2747082
Even without the "sub begging" streams, Kiara was able to catch up to Ina after not streaming for a few days because of her moving.

>>2746359
I thought you said 5k bots last time

>>2747115
That's not addressing the actual point being made there.

>>2747082
>Ina reaches her numbers without needing to do anything
The only reason Ina caught up was because Kiara stopped streaming for several days because of moving + shadowban right after.

I don’t like KFP, nor do I like Kiara but I honestly thought takodachis would be more chill and not try to start tribal wars

>>2747457
OP here. I'm not a takodachi nor a KFP, I just think the situation is amusing

>>2747402
And you just proved that Ina didn't have to do anything special to get the same numbers

my oshi is too powerful

>>2746165
Kiara has the least appealing character design in EN. That’s all there is to it.

>>2747616
this
she needs a third hat

>>2747038
proof?

>>2747402
You also missed the point. Kiara and Ina generally stay within a relative proximity to each other, the difference is Kiara often stimulates her growth with sub fluctuations whereas Ina does not. Ergo, a gap occurs when you normalize their growth.

>>2747457
If you're referring to me, don't. I like Ina well enough, but I don't identify as a takodachi out of respect. I'm also honestly not being a tribalist, I'm just clarifying a misconception about how their relative sub counts actually function.

>>2746674
No, it just means they should copy what she does because it is the right thing to do. She was able to beat Ina and that is an accomplishment.

If Kiara wants to hit 1M earlier than Ina, the best way to do it is to let Kiara stream APEX collab with Connor.

>>2746165
>>2747616
This in addition to her awful voice and awful personality filters a lot of people.

>>2748084
>She was able to beat Ina and that is an accomplishment
This is why people hate KFP.

>>2746165
She rubs people the wrong way. Loud, really traditionally girly (bordering on Stacy sometimes), dumb as rocks, English Third Language, over sharing, over-emotional, hard accent, and dubs some EN she says to JP. I love her for all of this and I do think she works really fucking hard on her streaming, but some people just dislike that stuff and stay away.

>>2746124
Considering Ina got free subs simply by her design being 100000k better its not really that impressive

>>2746124
KFPbros, how's the cat room coming along?? The Takamori wall paintings? The four hour lesbian cat compilation marathon???
The Kiara Coping Cabin MUST be ready for next month's apocalypse...

>>2746124
Anon you're behind the times now, /vt/ hates Ollie now.

>>2749842
>TFW you don't care about numbers but will inevitably have to bolster your Oshi's spirit in a members only stream where she vents about how hard she tries (which she actually does)
Seriously Kiara, stop torturing yourself over the fucking sub numbers. It isn't worth it and I promise you'll still get good dono's from us.

>>2749626
>really traditionally girly
Why does KFP think that being bitchy = being girly? Do they hate women that much?

>>2749996
Because women are caddy as fuck. On top of that, I meant more on the 'everything must be cute!' sort of way, you dipshit.

>>2750081
>everything must be cute!' sort of way
Funny you claim that's girly when that's a stereotypical tranny trait. Also I fucking love cute things and I like to think of myself as being fairly masculine (at least in the way that I have a dick and I'm not mentally ill enough to be ashamed of the fact)

>>2749842
>Kiara Coping Cabin
We can only hope they eat each other in there

>>2749842
They'll both reach 1mil before this happens. Or at least Kiara will get close enough to where she can just do another sub begging stream to hit it first.

Ina is the best!

>>2750135
It actually depends on what part of the world you're from.

>>2746884
TakoTori coin will go through roof this summer. Screencap this.

>>2750135
Anon your whole posts sounds suspicious as fuck get trannies out of your head before you end becoming one out of idiocy

>>2750135
Holy fuck what a stretch. Is this supposed to be implying that Kiara is a MtF? If so, what a rrat.

>>2746124
Regardless of any rrats they will likely hit 1M within seconds of each other

>>2750496
>>2750532
Claiming that "everything must be cute!" is a feminine trait specifically indicates a very shallow understanding of women, one that is both childish and tinted by a lens of romanticism. Hence the comparison of that line of thought (liking cute things means they're girly) to that of a transsexual. Similar levels of understanding of women.
I'm obviously not calling Kiara a tranny, you might be one though.

>>2750750
cringe

>>2750750
Anon...

>>2750750
Holy fuckimg retarded. Ypu know there are women in this world who fawn over cute shit consistently, right? What the fuck is wrong with you.

Don't stop, make it pop
DJ, blow my speakers up
Tonight, gonna fight
Til we see the sunlight

>>2749640
papa/mama matters.

Worst thing about it is I know huke can make good designs, so why did he go with that shitshow of a costume...

Did Ame and Mori get a noticeable sub boost from their birthday streams? If so, both Ina's and Kiara's sub growth has slowed so much compared to 2 months ago that Ina's birthday will happen quite a bit before 1 mil, which will likely give her a boost.

>>2751356
Huke can also make cool weapons so why the fuck does she have toy looking things as weapons is it supposed to be a parody of those toys that come with children's food? I hate it

>>2751682
she's a fast food manager, they're clearly happy meal toys

>>2749996
Anyone that calls Kiara a "Stacy" is really just using it to say she's a bitch.

you numberfags are an insult to every fandom you get near. kindly neck yourselves.

>>2747102
Yea but Cover isn't

>>2746124
Probably because she just had a collab with Gura? There should be a spike, considering there's a good chance alot of chumbuds coming over as well

>>2746124
How the fuck have these two been so close in numbers since debut? I've been gone for months and this shit is still a thing?!

>>2746124
You mean to say that Ina caught up in literally no time without using a "doing x until x" gimmick?

Wow, it's almost as if she's naturally talented and not a numberfagging trend chaser like the other one.

>>2758566
Has anyone ever told you you're a suave motherfucker anon?

>>2760366
"doing x until x" doesn't get you reliable subs/watchers
that's why a lot of holos fall back below a threshold after those streams
and even if they stay subbed, they're less likely to watch, so they're not worth as much

generally, those streams give a temporary boost, but the gains don't have staying power

>>2747078
here's how I see it
one of these girls is happy
one of these girls is not

i'd say the one who's happy is winning

>>2748084
>She was able to beat Ina and that is an accomplishment.
>accomplishment
This right here is why people don't like you kfp fags. This isn't a competition to be won. They are genmates, you want to support each other, not try to beat them to claim superiority.

>>2760431
I agree with you for the most part. I'm using more to point out the fact that she has to constantly do a gimmick or overly tries while Ina simply just does what she does casually and catches up. Kiara is hell bent on making sure she doesn't hit 1mil last because instead of being a supportive genmate, she's treating it like a competition. The fact that she openly complained about being the lowest in that first month of debut shows you that numbers is what she cares about, nothing else.

>>2750356
Since when the fuck does she have a fang?

>>2760623
>He doesnt notice the fang marks when she bites on takos

>>2746124
Huh that's surprising. Did Ina do a sub begging stream recently?

So, has ina ever drawn porn?

>>2760768
Her degree of aknowledgement for it was saying "900k is Nier humu humu" while drawing Nier fanart.

>>2760594
Ina has had 1k more subs all of April, up until Shitbird threw a pity party to gain 6k empty subs. That artificial advantage is already gone, so why does want to debase herself just to spite her “friend”? Could you imagine being Ina and having to pretend you don’t notice what she is doing? I feel bad for Ina because she is getting compared to Kiara and couldn’t care less. Doesn’t Kiara realize how much she has become a villain by constantly wanting to one-up her genmate?

>One who knows only how to want. A pig’s greed is the ugliest thing there is.

>>2760768
Ina never does sub begging streams.

>>2760798
Obviously, that's not even a question.
The actual question you should be asking is "has she published any of her porn"?

>>2760594
Ina has had 1k more subs all of April, up until Shitbird threw a pity party to gain 6k empty subs. That artificial advantage is already gone, so why does she want to debase herself just to spite her “friend”? Could you imagine being Ina and having to pretend you don’t notice what she is doing? I feel bad for Ina because she is getting compared to Kiara and couldn’t care less. Doesn’t Kiara realize how much she has become a villain by constantly wanting to one-up her genmate?

>One who knows only how to want. A pig’s greed is the ugliest thing there is.

>>2760812
Anon they are planning on watching Cats together, probably next week.
Kiara cares, Ina doesn't, but they don't hate each other and actually have nice chemistry on top of being genmates.

>>2760768
The "celebration" for hitting 900k was a nod at it at the beginning and then a short thank you at the end of a minecraft stream

>>2760851
>>2760812
Uh, anon?

>>2760861
>and actually have nice chemistry
Eh.
Also probably skipping that collab despite Ina being my oshi.

>>2749640
Ina had like a 100k sub lead on Kiara to start which everyone forgets, and she was the most subbed HoloEN period before debut. She and Kiara were the only ones with recognizable mama/papas, and Kiara obviously got the short end of the stick there. Anyways, I'm KFP and I'm genuinely surprised she not only caught up, but stays concurrent with Ina no matter what. It's just weird at this point.

>>2760891
I had a typo, forgot a “she” in there. The sentence looked dumb without.

>>2760851
>>2760851
what the fuck is this cringy shit

>>2760861
I don’t think Ina hates her, I think she doesn’t care at all. Kiara is just embarrassing herself, and dragging Ina in to it.

>>2760908
I love how KFP is constantly trying to play this like Ina is a failure. Anything to save face, I guess.

>>2760768
>Did Ina do a sub begging stream recently?
She never begs for anything.

>>2761020
Except for my dick.

>>2761020
She begged for my dick lol

>>2760957
Do you know what a quote is?
>they look like this

>Another Anti-Kiara Tako thread every time I jump on /vt/
I wonder what Ina thinks about her fans being obsessed with beating Kiara's numbers.

Why does it seem like Takos are bigger numberfags than KFP?
I check the Kiara thread and there's nothing but numbers (mostly just talk about wanting to fuck Kiara), but Takos keep making threads like this.

>>2760957
People us them to illustrate a point.
Often they are from literature or pop culture.

>>2761043
you shouldn't say cringy-ass chuuni shit if you wanna be taken seriously

>>2761051
These threads are invariably made by KFP, every time.

>>2761085
So you don’t know what it’s from?
Or do you not understand how it is applicable?

>>2761085
Indogs have room temperature IQ they don't know any better.

>>2761115
it sounds like some corny anime line. i sure hope you're not ACTUALLY quoting anime to try to sound grandiose, cause that'd be fucking embarassing

>>2761089
So they false-flag themselves for pity numbers? These threads go by so fast it's hard to keep up with the narrative at this point.

>>2761157
The same exact "tick tock" types of images get posted regardless of who's in the lead and who's catching up, and KFP themselves are generally numberposters, so it's not hard to connect the dots.

>>2761154
A simple ‘No’ would suffice. I asked a question not your opinion.

>>2761027
>>2761033
Niggas. You'll be begging for it after I shoot it off

>>2761214
Fortunately you don't have a say in what anyone types, and you'll get whatever we give you, Cringelord McChunnifaggot.

>>2761214
ok, let me google it
>>>re:zero
it is fucking anime, holy shit ahahahahaha.
you are literally 13
>literature

>>2761214
LMAO THIS FUCKING NIGGLET IS QUOTING SHONEN ISEKAI AND EXPECTS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY

>>2746317
There's like no fucking way they can reach 1mil atst. Kiara will be like "NO TALKING 'TIL 1 MILLION AIIEIEEEE!!!" while Ina will reach it in a Mario or some random shitty games and do "Q&A 10Q for a million subs". Karaoke if we're real lucky.
That's just the difference in their personality.

Reminder

>>2761405
Why was Kiara so blurry?

>>2746317
I hope not. Kiara is definitely doing something to celebrate her milestone (probably a marathon doing X until 1M), it's something she seems to enjoy apparently, meanwhile Ina doesn't really care about this stuff, she simply does things on her pace, the karaoke is mostly because people ask her to do it. I'd rather have them doing something they're more comfortable with instead of doing an unecessary celebration together. I've stopped watching Kiara in a long time so I can't tell if she's still numberfagging as much as she used to, but if she's still worrying about being the lowest subbed member (which I've always found extremely retarded of her. They already had an insane growth even before debut ffs. Why care so much about that?), I doubt reaching 1M would change much to her.

>>2761214
Jesus christ nigga

>>2761676
From what I gather from global and occasional numberfag threads, Kiara's numberfagging has died down a lot ever since she overtook Ina
But its clearly still a sore point for her, after asking Aki about the clip talking about her low numbers, saying she feels the same.

>>2761214
Enter: Dipshit-Kun

I've seen Kiara's roommate's videos, and I honestly cannot mentally connect her old and new voices. They sound a little closer when she's singing, but when talking, it's like two different people. It's gotta take a good amount of effort to keep that voice up for 5-6 hours at a time.

But fucking why? All it does is cripple her singing ability, and turn off anyone who isn't a white-knight saviorfag subbing to her out of sheer pity. Why does she continue to nerf herself like this?

Honestly the best thing would be to do a joint "Until we both hit 1 million" stream when they get closer, as while some people will make a concentrated to push Ina over the line first, most people will simply just try to make it so they cross the line together.

>>2762419
Like most of her design it's just something she saw other people at hololive doing, so she just sort of stole it without considering the context that makes such a voice work.
Like she wants to be respected as a singer yet she also saw that some popular members of hololive have these weird voices so she tried to tack that on too without considering how such a voice sounds in English or how it would affect her singing. Her entire character concept is just one bad decision after the next, and the only reason I don't feel sorry for her is because she was the one who made each and every one of these awful decisions.

>>2761765
>But its clearly still a sore point for her, after asking Aki about the clip talking about her low numbers, saying she feels the same.
Which is insane, considering she's the 16th-most subbed channel in Hololive, and has more subs than anyone in Niji, or pretty much anyone who isn't part of the Four Heavenly Kings.

>>2762453
If my oshi cared so little about her community that she'd be willing to just sort of cling to someone else for what should be a monumental milestone for her personally, I'd probably just unsub because this is clearly a one-sided relationship.
I don't care about numbers as a general rule, but that's just too much.

>>2762524
Imagine how Aki felt
>I'm kind of feeling down Kiara, I've been with the company for so long yet I feel like I'm not reaching the audience I should be.
>HAHA I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN IVE BEEN STREAMING FOR 6 MONTHS AND I ONLY HAVE 900K SUBS LOL. OMG LIKE IM BEATING THAT BITCH INA BUT ITS STILL SUCH A LOW NUMBER YOU KNOW?

>>2762669
Honestly, Hololive really fucks with your perception of success. I always heard that the Stars were complete failures, and I checked out Temma, who's supposed to be in last place, and he was getting like 300 viewers on an Apex stream. Which sounds small, but then I see that most indies tend to get double digit viewer counts with similar sub counts, and they really aren't doing all that bad when you don't compare them with some of the most popular chuubas of all time.

>>2762453
>Honestly the best thing would be to do a joint "Until we both hit 1 million" stream

No. This would rob them of their own individual success. Granted this is not a competition (as much as kiara tries to make it be), they have the right to celebrate with their communities on their own. Doing a celebration collab would look so fucking terrible as well considering Kiara never shuts the fuck up for others to speak.

>>2748001
do KFP anti really

>>2762779
"Oldfags", which right now even includes those who started watching in the earlier half of 2020, have been saying this since last year. Niji and Holo were the top vtuber companies before Hololive's 2020 boom. Think about the numbers before the boom, that was already the top at the time. 2020 was a bubble and now things are normalizing.

Threads like these are why split threads and /vt/ in general was a mistake.

>>2763684
Wouldn't be an issue if Kiara would just graduate and fuck off to her cats.

Time to start again.

>>2746124
>talent vs hard work
I wonder who's going to win.

>>2762513
Honestly she's so focused on trying to be 'successful', gaming the system as best she can, that she often forgets to just enjoy herself. There's a great entertainer inside that comes out when she's more relaxed and having fun. Her failures when she was younger likely contributed a lot to this mindset.

>>2746955
Are You saying Ina of the mountains is working?

why are takodachis like this

>>2765406
kiara is the antithesis to ina and i hate her
she had a chance to redeem herself by using her good voice in her songs but she didn't even do that and i will never forgive her

>>2747078
That shows more about KFPs than Kiara herself.

>>2746124
The fact that the least-tryhard and the most-tyrhard Holo are more or less tied in subs will never not be hilarious to me

>>2765279
>Ina didn't work hard to get to where she is
ogey

>>2766147
Its her time slot and her design people like. She really is hated.

>>2766598
>bad time time slot
Ina has the most friendly EU hours. What are you huffing?

>>2766598
Actually, I love Ina for a multitude of reasons. I find people who are constantly trying to be high energy to be exhausting in anything but moderation, so I really do appreciate someone who streams at her own pace like Ina does. As well, her goofy sense of humor is infectious, and I find that she often blurts out corny jokes and references that I myself was thinking. She's a massive, sincere dork and I love her for it. That's obviously not even mentioning her artistic talents, which are really in a league of their own.

>>2766646
People always think Ina does well because she has a good time slot. Is it that crazy that people could enjoy Ina.

Getting caught by Ina doesn't actually matter to Kiara, all she actually cares about is crossing the milestones first. That's why she does endurance streams everytime, while Ina has never done so because she isn't a numberfag.

Im a Tako I don't care who hits it first but the one thing that does bug me is Ina is lazy. Ina has a job besides Hololive and she has made animations, thumbnail art for her and her gen mates. A karaoke stage and a member's room. Gen 5 merch, she even made most of the 6 month merch by accident. Made 3 mascots for the other girls leading to plushies, got the bgm for herself and talked to the others. Hell she even runs tech support when Ame can't.

>>2746165
>Is Ame really has no talent?
shut the fuck up

>>2766851
No one denied that people enjoy Ina. The question is whether or not people enjoy Ina more than they'd enjoy other girls who were on at the same time.

>>2766851
I enjoy Ina, I don't watch Kiara though so I can't compare.

>>2767555
>Bringing up Ame out of the blue
This is why people hate KFP.

When Ina gets 1m first she should punch kiara in the stomach once for every sub she beat her by

Huke's design absolutely fucked Kiara and they probably paid the most for it

>>2747616
I've always found this opinion to be so retarded. Least appealing doesn't mean bad - there's nothing wrong with her design, period. It matches her theme. She's a red head with a skin-tight outfit and a short skirt. Best eyes in Hololive. People who say it's too orange need glasses.

>>2768652
Subaru should fucking kill you and the shitbird.

>>2765224
kys. you are the most petty insignificant fucking pathetic people to ever exist. She deserves you as fans because are equally worthless. Enjoy your fleeting empty victories, they mean less than your existence.

>>2768652
>It matches her theme.
A confused mess of incongruent ideas only loosely tied together by strained twine and prayers?

>>2768652
KFC sure resembles their oshi

Since this is the numbers thread: does anyone have an up to date chart that has the time spent streaming for each hololive? I want to see how much Lamy has inclined. Last time she was on track to be one of the most prolific, in terms of hours.

>>2763543
I remember back when I didn't know anything about hololive, Pekora was 300k and I was thinking that was a lot for someone just using Facerig to stream. What times we live in.

Good God this is rrat central

>>2746674
Thing is she doesn't have to, she would have caught up anyway. That's something which she hasn't realized either. If she really needed to go hard all the time the Austria moving and shadowban week should have been a death knell for her no matter what she did.

>>2767025
>Ina is lazy
>lists a multitude of reasons on why she isn't
What did he mean by this
>>2766598
>>2768348
>time slot excuse
>the time slot that is inconvenient for Ina (or would be if her sleep scheduled wasn't screwed) and the most convenient for Kiara
Kiara chooses not to stream at that time slot, why is it Ina's fault?

>>2763543
>>2762779
I was into Holo in 2018 and remember Miko getting maybe 150-200 viewers in her streams. The growth and clout of the brand across 2020 in particular was just utterly, retardedly huge.

These numberfagging sessions are like comparing two all-time-great pro athletes pretending like they're stuck in Little League next to their other all-time-great companions. They're not. They're all carried by the brand ultimately. Just subs alone also don't really dictate overall success either, it's just the easiest dick measuring meter.

Live viewers are a bit more indicative of some function of actual current interest mixed with degrees of fan loyalty. VOD views after like, a month, for each one are perhaps more indicative of overall algorithmic randos catching up and seeing who actually does miss the live streams but are in fact loyal watchers because they religiously keep up on VODs when they get the time.

>>2746458
>And if Kiara doesn't, its KFP's fault for not marketing her enough.
By marketing you mean hiring bots right? It's no coincidence that after her endurance milestone streams youtube bans a massive amount of accounts that reduce her subcount below the milestone again.

How is this perma antikiara threads spamming seaslug still not rangebanned?

>>2768790
>takos start the thread shitting on kiara
>takos get buttmad that kiara gets a tiny lead that doesn't last long
why are takos like this?

>>2760908
KFP non-stop coping

>>2772628
KFP starts Kiara false-flag hate thread is what you actually mean.

>>2746124
OH NO NO NO NO NO KFP BROS

>>2772628
in case you haven't noticed kfpchama, it isn't takos, its ikas.

Is this falseflag general?

>>2746165
don't open this

>>2774049
BUILT

Why do KFP and Takos hate each other?

>>2746124
I am Ina vitable

>>2774230
KFP hates Ina because she's on Kiara's sub level without even trying
Tentacultists hate Kiara because she's Kiara, much like everyone else

>>2774304
Kiara is okay in doses her fanbase on the other hand...

>>2746124
Do KFP still think there is only one person who hate Kiara?
Who is the monster of the week? Tako's? Seaniggs?

>>2768348
Every fucking time there's a 5 man collab she's 2nd/3rd place in views. She did a collabs with Kiara and Mori outside of her time slot and had the most views. Why is this even a question? Do you people actually watch streams? And no, I'm a fucking teamate, not a tako.

No there's a handful of you.
The leader of which is the catgore spammer.

>>2774049
So.. is it true that she used to work as an escort?

>>2775438
Is the sky blue?

Cover should straight up ban their talents from during endurance milestone streams. Youtube is more vigilant on removing bot subs from channels once they've already been flagged once. It happen to multiple girls, especially Noel.

Even Kiara is smart enough to realize that none of the subs gained during those streams are real subs, do you really think she's happy using a trick to barely beat Ina when she still loses to her by all other metrics?

Kiara is way ahead of Ina on subs, it's just fans of Ina creating alt accounts and subbing to her to boost her numbers. Kiara's daily views are about 200k, Ina about 130k. Views generate money so are more likely to be accurate.

holy cope

>>2761521
she begins to fade from existence if her numbers stay in last place too long

>>2746240
No other Vtuber, or streamer in general, is as shit as Nyanshit and this is not just about her past. Her present is equally shit. I hope that cunt has a painful death.

>>2769953
>What did he mean by this
He was saying that he's annoyed that people call Ina "lazy", he just worded it strangely.

>>2778330
Kek

>>2777771
ogey

>>2746124
The fact you didn't use INAvitable in your post tells me how much of a faggot you are OP.

>>2780781
KFP isn't very clever, please excuse them.

>>2746165
That's the problem, she tries way too hard.

>this thread

>>2781189
when the hell is someone gonna make a cafeteria thread?

>>2761182
The biggest Kiara antis on /vt/ are self-declared Takos.
Tick Tock posting isn't even negative anymore. It has become an insider at this point and nobody takes it seriously anymore. The only thing keeping it alive is the anomaly of the sub race between Ina and Kiara. They've been neck to neck for 3 months now. It's mildly interesting and every Ticktock post is a disguised friendly reminder that it's still ongoing
I jumped into this thread expecting funny banter and all I got is way to serious discussion about things that don't matter.

>>2781744
They're "self-declared" takos because Ina is by far Kiara's biggest competitor in a numberfag's eyes, and schizos are itching to have something to shit on Ina for because she's so chill/"boring" that she's yet to produce a single yab for them to run with.
Between Ina's total disregard for numbers and frequent friendly interactions with Kiara, on and off camera, no genuine tako would be anti'ing Kiara under a tako flag. It would be shameful and retarded.

>>2782278
Of course I'm not that narrow-minded.
I meant antiposting takos, who are falseflagging as someone else or not alluding to their fave at all in said post. But you can sometimes gauge who's behind it from posting patterns.

You aren't as anonymous as you might think, if you're posting in an established general. It's just etiquette to not mention your suspicions, when you recognize someone. Even rratman becomes anonymous when he isn't currently uploading a vocaroo and it should be respected.

I myself have probably been "found out" more times than I'm comfortable with. That's on of the reasons you should try to not be a complete asshat while posting.

>>2749923
Savior faggot fantasy. Go outside.

>>2760366
>>>2760431
>>2761214
"Would suffice" Cracker cuck

>>2782278
>She was able to beat Ina and that is an accomplishment
>>2748084
People are sick of this bullshit and rightfully hate Kiara, especially for a being a numberfag that has to beg for subs. Fuck that entitled bitch and her delusional fans simply for wanting it that badly

>>2776087
Youre retarded for giving kiara enough credit to have that type of common sense

>>2776087
>when she still loses to her by all other metrics?
Newfag-chama, Kiara dwarfs Ina (and many other holos) in superchat revenue. Her problem is an unhealthy obsession with the least meaningful number (sub count).

>>2746124
watch them collab for the 1M

>>2746226
>How does this keep happening?
Ina streams at ass-hours of the morning when no one else does. She has a monopoly on a very specific subset of Europeans and slavs who are all insanely devoted to her.

>>2783563
>ass-hours of the morning
Do you think her prime audience should be nips or something? She streams between noon and early evening for NA.

Put me in the screencap too mr vtuber content cop

>>2783788
no one else streams during that time, it's prime-time for EU and Bong hours.

I don't have the chart but there's a chart that compares all of the average streaming times for everyone and she neatly fits at the end of JP prime time and the beginning of EN prime time, she's the only one consistently in that slot.

>>2782628
seethe kfpfag

I think it's just about personality and what they have uniquely.

>>2748084
Being fourth is nothing to be proud of

All the sub bait streams in the world won't save her from being the least popular EN girl

>>2783389

Not hard to do when she's begging for SCs every single stream

>>2747078
Ina literally told people to not SC her since other chuubas need money and she does not.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GUIF8lBYpqI

Speed?

>>2746628
anyone who claims to be KFP voluntarily has to be a bot

>>2783912
>it's prime-time for EU and Bong hours.
You mean the timezone Kiara *lives* in? If Kiara chooses not to stream in the time slot she'd be expected to, why is Ina at fault for covering the void?

>>2747616
you’re joking, right? Ina was done so dirty, its not fair. Ive been design filtered from watching Ina like 10 times.

>>2789904
Ina design is by one of her favorite artist inspired by her favorite gatcha shit.

I think its insane how good Ina's design is.

>>2789904
Ina has the best design out of all of EN. You'd have to be the blandest fucking person to think otherwise, and even more braindead if you thought for even a second the kiara's was better.

>>2790411
I like the design too, but I wonder how she would look with wider bangs? At this point I don’t even notice, but it was my first impression. Would it be an improvement or heresy?

>>2790546
I kinda like messy bangs like in some of the fanart, I don't know if it would break up the second design. I think Ina's second outfit might have painted her dad into a corner.

>>2790604
Like this?
Normie Ina is hot.

>>2789971

>>2746124
>Numberfag as much as you want.
He says as he's numberfagging.

>>2790604
Goodby world, hello Ina fan art obsession.

>>2746955
>I bet most of the subs these days just come from clipfags.

Anon, that's been true for at least a year. Ever since the EN clip explosion. That's how Miko maintained a solid 2-3k subs a day even during her months long health break.

>>2790692
Thats good art but I was talking about her bangs not sticking to her forehead like it had volume.

Kiara could demolish Ina in subs if she really wanted. The only thing holding her back is that she insists on streaming debuff games because it's what she enjoys the most.

>>2790865
It seems that she looks good with any hairstyle. Do you have an example of the bangs you spoke of?

>>2791013
Hmm let me look.

>>2789872
She's not at fault, she's objectively cornered a market no one else is taking.
Why do you interpret that as a bad thing?

>>2790955
The numbers are irrelevant, it’s how you spent the time accumulating them. What is the point if you are miserable anyways?

KFP cope in this thread.

Ina has a larger (and more consistent) subscriber growth rate than Kiara. Kiara only stays ahead by injecting herself with artificial boosts everytime she gets to a milestone. I remember the one time I tuned into her zatsudan stream for a second and she was saying some shit like "we are at 833k!!! Only 17k more until 850K!!". Compare that to Ina who hits a major milestone like 900k and only gives it a one sentence acknowledgement because the superchats kept mentioning it.
Also if you look at the viewer numbers, Ina has a larger audience of regulars

>BUT KIARA MAKES MORE MONEY IN SUPERCHATS!!!
Ina's making all the money she needs right now. She's happy with her current situation and she's using the money to buy her parents nice presents. It's evident she is happy because Ina could easily quadruple her superchat numbers if she did superchat readings, or even read them all. Also she literally tells her superchatters to not give to much and instead spend it on themselves.
Meanwhile kiara will never be happy no matter how much money her savior paypigs throw at her.
>THE SUPERCHATS MEAN THAT SHE IS BETTER
They clearly don't. If you take the amount of money she gets in superchats and then divide it by the number of superchats, you'll get a clearer idea of whats going on. She has one of the largest superchat rates per person, even higher than Rushia. Which means that her superchat revenue is only high because a small group of mentally ill KFP are putting themselves into debt.

Your shitty streamer is annoying and that's why she will never have a large dedicated audience. Her only consistent audience is the mentally ill.

>>2791137
>accuses others of coping
>writes an entire autistic paragraph of coping

https://poal.me/9qwso3
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>>2791137
>wrote a literal fucking book
Based meltdown chad

>>2791273
What is with this creepy face? What compels you to use such a cursed image? She looks like a snake taking a shit.

>>2791273
>>2791471
no response because its true

>>2750135
>everything must be cute!' sort of way
> that's a stereotypical tranny trait.
>Also I fucking love cute things
A-anon...

>>2791137
It really kills you, doesn't it? No matter how much you try to invent a competition that doesn't exist, no matter how much your project your own insecurity and misery on them, the truth is Kiara doesn't care, Ina doesn't care and the fans don't care. Even if Kiara doesn't reach 1mil first, nothing's gonna happen. There won't be any meltdowns, she's not gonna graduate or "kill herself". You, on the other hand, just might.
NOW you have my permission to cope.

>>2791710
>the truth is Kiara doesn't care
That couldn't be further from the truth

>>2791710
>the truth is Kiara doesn't care
you sure about that, kiara?

>>2791710
>Kiara doesn't care
She cried about having the lowest subs during their FIRST MONTH OF DEBUT which is what caused all these savior simps to even gather in the first place. I even had other channels being recommended to me with the title "Help kiara!" because they felt pity for her about her crying being the lowest. Fuck off back to your chicken coop dumb bitch.

New rrat? The reason kiara brought up the hypothetical graduation topic is that she made a self imposed condition the she will voluntarily graduate when ina gets to 1m first.

>>2791710
Sneed's feed and seed
https://youtu.be/iBUZD-PHhSA

>>2791137
>superchat rates per person

This isn't quite right. Taken just for March, Kiara's revenue per superchat does exceed Rushia's, coming in at $13.38/SC to Rushia's $12.84/SC. However, monthly data can fluctuate quite harshly-- Tokyo Ghoul's revenue per superchat for March sits at $18.99/SC. I took the superchat revenue and number of superchats for January through March to try and provide a more even accounting of the data.
With these three months, Kiara sits at $12.51/SC, with Rushia at $12.52/SC-- approximately equal. The other two top 10 EN girls, Mori and Gura, sit at $12.59/SC and 12.06/SC, respectively. Some other interesting statistics-- the lowest revenue/superchat ratio is Coco, obviously, with only $6.45/SC. The highest ratioed top 10 earners in that period are Ayame, with a $12.86/SC and Flare, with a $15.37/SC. Ina sits outside of the top 10, but comes in at $9.93/SC.
Averaging all Holos in the top 10 from January-March, you get a value of $10.90/SC and a standard deviation of 2.42. This places Rushia and Kiara above the mean, but still within the normal variance.

>>2790411
Wow I never noticed the angry monster face.

>>2792761
The fact you're still obsessed about her first month says a lot about you. You must be the same retard who timeloops about Pekora and Moona. It's so obvious you don't even watch streams and how you're just using Ina to help fuel your deranged delusion. And since you're stuck in the past, you should know how Ina used to have a big lead on Kiara, yet the fact you now see a sub 1k difference as a huge victory for you is pretty pathetic and desperate, just how you bitches have accused Kiara of being since we know when. You literally have been projecting all this time. So, how much can YOU take before you kill yourself?

>>2791710
>Kiara doesn't care
Pfflmao. Stupid little kfphaggot.

>>2793137
>obsessed about her first month
Ah you mean when I was giving her a chance and she immediately killed any sort of motivation to watch her? Sorry I don't like whiny bitches who try to make what is supposed to be a team effort into a competition to feed her ego.

>Pekora and Moona
Where was this even mentioned? Good to know you recognize the better pairing though. Moona and Pekora actually have good chemistry and work together while Kiara just wanted to fangirl and was completely disrespectful to Pekora by basically ignoring the tour she planned out.

Of course Kiara caught up in subs. She had Calli and the forced Takamori to leech off of and her constantly begging had all you savior simps boosting her numbers. Ina seems to have no issue keeping up though without pulling all the stupid gimmicks and pandering because SHE DOESN'T NUMBERFAG like your stupid chicken.

What am I projecting exactly though? That kiara literally has no talent on her own which is why she tries to collab as much as possible? Over 50% of her content is just long winded rants during superchat readings.

Stay seething you idiotic kfpcuck bitch boy.

>>2793043
Ok but everyone on this board shits on Rushia for being GFE bait. And everyone talks about how Ame is GFE/superchat bait but she makes less per person than Kiara.
Still, the picture is pretty clear that Kiara's superchat is heavily inflated by massive whales. And judging by the streams that have the highest superchat revenues, its clear these whales are saviorfags. You can't indicate that superchat revenue has anything to do with actual quality of stream.

>>2793137
i can smell the tears coming out of your eyes

there are no real takodachis itt

>>2748084
why are kfpfaggots like this?

>>2794219
Didn't think you'd just straight up admit you don't watch streams, and then proceed to timeloop exactly how I thought you would. At least try to keep up before making off-base assumptions, and don't try to paint regular Vtuber activities as a bad thing only when Kiara does it.
Seriously, you're bitching that superchat readings aren't real content now? Come the fuck on. Also, using 'simp' as an insult on /vt/? You really are a tourist.
Every single reddit-spaced post you've made oozes obvious anger and jealousy, like it's a great injustice to you that she has any fans. And that's the reason I reply to you especifically, because I know you know this is true and it cuts deep.
And don't try to bring Ina into this, you sad whore. We both know you don't give shit about her beyond using her as a prop against Kiara.

>>2795007
>Didn't think you'd just straight up admit you don't watch streams
You're correct. I don't watch her streams. I see enough from clips and randomly popping in when I'm bored. But even then you don't have to watch her streams to see her dumb shit. You see enough of it during every collab when she doesn't shut the fuck up and makes rude remarks to all the girls while simultaneously trying to ride Calli's dick.
>off-base assumptions
Funny considering damn near every single complaint that I've ever stated about kiara, whether it be here or elsewhere, is almost the exact same as everyone else's who has an issue with her. That many people saying the same thing doesn't seem too off base to me, but you seem like one of those neckbeards who thinks their oshi can do no wrong.
>superchat readings aren't real content now?
Are you seriously defending that they are? On what planet is thanking people considered actual stream content, especially when your SC readings go on for longer than you even played the game for? 1 hour of (very poor) gameplay with 2-3 hours of SC behind it is not content. If this is the only way she can fill up her time, drop hololive and become a e-thot in twitch's just chatting section and give someone else a chance.
> oozes obvious anger and jealousy, like it's a great injustice to you that she has any fans
Oh damn you sure got me lol. I am SO jealous and angry. Fuck guess I gotta kill myself now. LMAO are you fucking kidding me? This is what you boil down to? Mods I think we need an age check on this person.
>Every single reddit-spaced post
I don't go on reddit, spaces are just easier to read when hitting multiple points unlike run on paragraphs like yours. I took away the spaces this time just for you though. You kfpfags are truly something else and honestly one of the biggest issues that people have with kiara because you're all a bunch of schizo's.

IF DUBS I GET INTO A THREESOME WITH CALLI AND INA

>>2796300
if singles, the threesome is them pegging you.

>Ina barely even tries and considers it a side job, still pulls high subs
>Kiara clawing and scrapping her way through the mud in pure agony just to equal Ina
KFPkeks?!?!?!

>>2800792
I do feel bad for Kiara because it feels like she's working the hardest, either her or Mori, but maybe her design and roommate baggage are too heavy a burden. I hope Huke gives her a cool new outfit suiting a Phoenix.

>>2746165
The average normie doesn't care about roommates and rrats.

>>2796073
When someone complains about reddit spacing you know you won the argument. They’re so desperate to find something to attack you over that they have to resort to the formatting of the post.

Gonna reddit space this last sentence just to piss on that guy.

>>2800879
>roommate baggage
Do you mean her mental problems (i.e. insecurity problems)? Or do you mean any of the drama that happened with her old identity?

Because if it’s the latter than I can assure you nobody in the hololive audience knows or cares about that shit. /vt/ posters make up like 0.01% of the hololive audience and only like 1% of /vt/ posters even know about kiaras roommate stuff

>>2790857
If I pushed her over, her legs would break

>>2805020
did you really bump a dead thread just to sockpuppet?

>>2748084
I swear to god KFPs just make everything an issue like their oshi. Making subs a competition is literally what pissed the Takos off you faggot.

>>2765406
Things wouldn't end up like this if Kiara and KFP could've just decided to shut up about subs and not annoy the shit out of Takos by numberfagging every single time

>>2800879
>it feels like she's working the hardest
Tryhards are annoying, that's one of her main problems.

>>2805020
Doesn't some of the drama involve cosplayers being catty/bitchy? Pretty sure those exist outside of 4chan.

>>2746124
THE ETERNAL TICK TOCK AAAAAAHHHHH

the only people who care about numbers are the kind of people you don't want as your friends

>>2746124
I'd prefer Ina to be last.
Anything that becomes too popular becomes awful.
As long as she's last, even in 1M+ then she'll always be "relatively unpopular" and therefore retain the "hidden gem" appeal.

>>2806877
People love those that put in effort. Kiara's problem is less she tries hard and more "she tries hard to be popular". No one is going to shit on Ina for spending 8 hours to make some amazing art, because thats worth putting effort into. People will shit on Kiara for spending 4+ hours doing a stream soley to increase her sub count, because she could be spending that time putting effort into real content and earning those subs instead.

The biggest problem is her design.
When En debuted she immediately became my least favorite just because I thought her design looked weird and boring compared to the other girls.
Her baggage may have played a role but only a small percentage of schizos know about it

>>2774304
b-but I am the ambassador

None of the ENs look numberfagging because they ALL pull poverty numbers on their streams.
Look at Pekora, Korone, Okayu or any other who has similar numbers as any given EN, they regularly pull over 20.000 live watchers.
Of course you can pull some cope about Guras high number of (dead)subs or Kiaras willing paypigs but they are first and foremost LIVEstreamers.

>>2774230
>>2774304
I'm KFP and I absolutely love Ina. She is a blessing and deserves every subscriber she gets.