/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Sellout.
With loads of semen slurping included.

>>27535992
>all the dead chubas in nijiblack and coverup will soon join vshitshowJP

Its over bros, imagine Lulu joining this trainwreck

>march 2022

yeah i had a feeling it was less about herself and more about rushia once it was pretty much confirmed. without rushia pushing i bet she never would have joined at all

>>27535992

>>27535992
>what's /vt/ final verdict?
OP is a faggot.

>>27535992
>when did you decide to join Vshojo?
>March 2022
This is also the time she realized that her full, 70%, non-split akas isn't as reliable when your CCV, VOD views, merch, sponsorship are basically non-existent kek

>>27535992
Anti-Christ of vtubers

>>27536259
Yes, Rushia is final straw to put Kson to Vshoujo.

Kson lore also hint avout it

>>27535992
(You) should have sex

I miss Coco

>>27535992
no split or anything? WOW, Vshojo going all out. Probably offered her a portion of the company too

>>27536440
> WOW warship
> Guuci sponser
> food sponsor
> collab coffee shop

Retard like you should shut up

>>27536440
She has had plenty of merch and way more sponsorships than she ever had in hololive
Good try tho

I have no real problem with it but it seems like a real cope on her part that she is still and indie. Nobody is going to see it ike that and she has now made enemies of all the corps in Jp whether she realises it or not. I will wait and see how they do with sponsorships or whether they become semi radioactive

>>27536859
>>27536856
>plenty of merch and way more sponsorships
totally, probably sold like 50pcs of those kek

>>27535992
No Lulu
No buy

>>27536599
> LOOK HOLOTURDBROS, I POSTED MY SHIT EDIT AGAIN!!!! ARE YOU PROUD OF ME?

>>27536963
> sold out in fucking 5 mins
> Gachikoi shirt sold all out
> EVERY MERCH SOLD OUT

>>27535992
Whore
And if you asked about presentation instead of her, than that was shit PR attept by vwhores.

>>27537144
We call Coco whore all time.
That is old new

>>27535992
she's either clueless or a liar. the people providing vshojo with capital will have demands in exchange for their money. what she's describing sounds way too good to be true.

>>27537132
Selling out means nothing if we have no idea how many copies there are. If I design a T-shirt with only 10 copies and sell them all, I've sold out, but that doesn't mean it's popular.

>>27536846
it's the same deal they have with the EN branch

>>27535992
Everyone should join vshoujo.

>>27537132
That guy thinks that paying customers scale linearly with CCV
Very typical of the /#/ retards who don't realize the difference between being viewed by Japanese adults and SEA children

>>27537057
Reposting images and forcing memes is a /vt/ staple. Welcome to the tour. I'll be your guide.

>>27537243
they make money on merch and sponsorships, of course it's not a charity
her infographic just doesn't explain it very well

>>27536859
>way more sponsorships
she averages 2k viewers, anonchama. she probably got 4 digits max on those sponsorships

kson is changing the vtubing landscape. could definitely see more talent centered agencies rising up in the near future. hololive and nijisanji will always have their places, but they've already capped their growth. vshojo's structure is the future, definitely seeing either them or another company like them taking the #1 spot in 5 years

>>27537263
Her first merch sold like 3k pieces. 12k yen each, do the math.

>>27537446
even if so it's still more than the no dollars she got from no sponsorships in hololive?

>>27537482
I should get in the merch game

/#/ is just a circlejerk for holofags to manipulate statistics and make rrats about bots, the most elitist general on this board

>>27537454
There was already agency that claimed such structure as vshojo. Upd8. It didn't end well.

>>27537454
>Source?

>>27537482
>90 fucking bucks
What the hell was her first merch? A gun?

>>27535992
So nothing will change and antifags overreacted again.
>inb4 cope

>>27537418
they've gotten money from venture capitalists, anon. they money from merch sales isn't going to them, lol. they have bigger expectations than that if they're investing $10m+ into a company. if you don't understand business please don't speak on it.

>>27535992
Execution by Indifference, Liars deserve nothing, not even hate.

>>27537892
https://ksononair.booth.pm/items/3349793
It was 11k, my bad.

>>27537454
As an agency they haven't actually developed any successes, they only sign up indies who are already established in the top 1%

She became a full fledged whore sucking her new company's dick. No more respect from me and hopefully any other anon from here.

>>27535992
It will implode in V-Shojo's face due to Kson's and Mikeneko's shoddy positions on business side of things. These girls are volatile product, literally picking up random 2view chuuba and build her from scratch would be safer and more intelligent opinion but if I'm correct the entire thing is just act of nepotism from Melody and she's not known for being intelligent.
Expect Holomems and Nijimems being banned from interacting with V-Shojo altogether. Japanese businessmen are very adamant and old-fashioned about this kind of issues.

>>27537900
Since you know VCs contract condition, what's on it? What percentage they getting? Direct revenue or company portions? Is VC #34 single?

> She became a full fledged whore sucking her new company's dick. No more respect from me and hopefully any other anon from here.

>>27538501
they probably thinking that holobronies will stop watching holos and switch to vwhores
RORUMAO

>>27538501
>oh no like 500 chinese people hate this woman
>it is clearly impossible to do business with anyone associated with her
>we want our 11 million dollars back please

>>27538501

>>27538502
i don't know that, nor have i claimed to. just saying they have bigger expectations than fucking merch sales if they're investing into a start up. are you retarded?

>>27535992
What happens is that Vshojo will get raped over Japanese copyright autism.

>>27535992
She has always been a better fit for vshoujo than hololive. Her crude humor sucks.

>>27537794
Ogey

>>27538791
It does not take a lot to turn people away, look at New Coke.

>>27538501
>Hololive bans Vshojo for hiring Rushia/Mikeneko
>Nijisanji bans Vshojo for hiring Coco/Kson
Sugoi

>Kson apologist are resorting to s*ijak posting to win an argument
You love to see it.

>>27539683
More like Hololive and Nijisanji will ban their members from even looking into general direction of V-Shojo. Comfy collabs of Iron Mouse and *put Holomem/Nijimem here* are thing of the past.

>>27539857
>no more ironmouse collabs
mori is devastated

>>27539857
Holosanji shaking in their little booties at TALENT FREEDOM

>>27540163
Freedom is useless if you can't control yourself and do creative content.

>>27540163
>shaking
kek, holo didn't even feel the need to release some upcoming gens to counter this minor of a news by vshojo.

>>27539857
>comfy collabs of iron lung and
No.

>>27540404
money retard, its all about money

>>27538457
>they only sign up indies who are already established in the top 1%
What about Froot?

>vshojo LOVES vtuber culture

Lmao

>>27540163
Talent freedom is when you hire two girls that will cut off your possible partnerships with other companies.
All the work of Iron Mouse and in lesser amounts Nyanners to connect these three companies went into shitter.

> holofags shitting on their pants about talent freedom
typical incel behaviour, control freaks

>>27540814
Fuck off tourist

>>27540687
> Vshojo loves vtubers
Talents > Money
> Hololive loves idol culture and incel pandering
Money > Talents

>>27541000
best summary

look at me, I can say fuck now.
besides the cringy delivery, good for her.

>>27537454
Imagine if Japanese vtuber companies start using VShojos business model. No streaming revenue split but massive merch and sponsorship split

>>27538791
>it is clearly impossible to do business with anyone associated with her
We're talking about the woman that had a computer company almost implode because some higher up hated her, we're talking about the woman that's banned on fucking genshin. If they didn't plan on doing business with any chinese company then good for them but I'm pretty sure they're already on bilibili

What I find very peculiar about this is how Coco shitted on Cover from Day One onwards, but only gives out Praise to VShojo so far
Now something smells fishy here. Guess no other company wanted to take her and Mike the Cat after all that has happended.

>>27541000
Changing the subject anonchama

People dont take jobs because they'll be happy working, they do it for money, I dont want talents to be unhappy but their happiness is their job not the audience's

>>27535992
souless corpo talk

>>27537454
How does vsj retain people. Genuine question - as far as I can tell, once people have utilized them to incline enough they have no real way of keeping people beyond social pressure.

>>27541438
She's simply scared of vshojo, see her attitude with any vshojo member including mel early and her attitude with any holo girl, maybe she simply felt that she was the alpha bitch in hololive

>>27535992
Unsubscribed and forgotten forever
fuck that bitch and I hate her for drawing my wife into that shithole.

>>27541438
I mean, that would make sense.
Again, Chinese anti magnet and walking menhera yab. They probably both are soft-blacklisted by some Japanese vtubing companies. V-Shojo is alien to Japanese environment and Melody who is presumed to be one of their biggest shareholder is buddy-buddy with Kson and known for having IQ of a brick.

>>27541597
because vshojo helps you with merchandise and musical productions. it provides you resources and connections without needing to adhere to a strict corporate policy. you can still be "independent" and get backing by vshojo as well as a better financial split for merch. far better model than hololive

>>27536259
thats part of the reason, but the main one is because Vshojo received that $11 million investment in march - for those 2 to suddenly get into talks to join, they were definitely paid a part of that.
For example it took youtube 32millions to poach Ludwig, so a few millions to each sounds reasonable

>>27536642
Jesus Christ ESL

>>27535992
pretty good deal. Would be stupid not to take it.

>>27541818
Beyond the logistics of merch (which indies could figure out themselves, or more specialized merch companies could pop up/be used in order to increase their cuts), what's stopping people from leaving vsj and still collabing with vsj people? taking advantage of all the connections they built up with the same persona they always had?

The moment they try to counteract that they run into the issue that they're either too involved in their talents operations, or are asserting restrictive control over them.

>>27535992
Whore who already hit the wall

>>27538492
t. zhang

>>27542032
because there's no reason to go indie? why go indie and lose funding when you can just join vshojo, have nothing change, and still get funding?
plus kson tried to do merch, she got scammed multiple times by shady jp companies. a lot of orgs won't even do merch for you unless you're in an agency

>>27541000
>> Vshojo loves vtubers

>Vtubers keeping their own IP should be more common in JP
If that's such a big part of it, does that mean Nazuna owns her IP? Could she leave Vshojo a month after debut and take her channel and model with her?

>>27535992
Honestly, if you remove the word "VShoujo", it sounds like a perfect company for any vtuber. But, alas, it's fucking VShoujo.

Wait if there is no revenue split or anything, what does Vshoujo get out of this? Does Kson pay them something? They aren't going to provide tech support, legal support, etc for free.

>>27542216
There's definitely a gap in the market for VTuber merch. Current big players take heavy advantage of this.

Of course there's a reason to go indie. VSj takes a cut somewhere (e.g. merch), and so it's beneficial for indies to work around that. Once VSj grows out of VC stage it'll start attempting to shore up margins by adding/incrementing cuts. It's inherently beneficial for a talent to just bypass them beyond a certain point. If VSj is being bypassed every which way, then what are they getting out of them as a business? Profit via network effects with talents who *don't* bypass? Having talents on board who aren't paying cuts somehow is either of very low value to them long-term, or actively detrimental to their bottom line.

In terms of things like merch logistics, they'll just get outcompeted by more specialized companies who can handle things like merch logistics in a more focused fashion. I don't doubt the model has longetivity, but it's an area ripe for disruption. It wouldn't surprise me if VSj ends up getting outcompeted by various startups formed from ex-talents in the future who see the market gaps.

VSj is positioning themselves as an investor in what are effectively freelancers, but with very low (possibly even negative) leverage over them in the long-term. Their primary talent selling point of talent freedom & low/zero cuts runs counter to recouping any kind of investment or preventing severe talent leakage

>>27539683
Cope

>>27537132
>5 minutes
Is that supposed to be impressive?
Coco merch used to sell out in seconds and overload the site kek

>>27542032
At that level the time spent on organizing merch and shit yourself is more valuable than the vshojo cut. If you earn a lot of money, your time becomes very valuable. VShojo might also be able to negotiate better conditions from merch producers, than you alone, even with the VShojo cut.
Hard to say exactly, but there are a lot of possible reasons.

>>27543019
Merch money

>>27542216
>kson tried to do merch, she got scammed multiple times
so many indies do merch and dont get scammed multiple times lol, kson is either lying or a complete retard

>>27542419
>If that's such a big part of it, does that mean Nazuna owns her IP? Could she leave Vshojo a month after debut and take her channel and model with her?

CyberLive had something like that.
They're dead

>>27535992
I want to know whether Key-chan owns her model.

>>27543618
vshoj doesn’t own any ips, “key chan” most likely payed to get it made ans its now hers

>>27543452
And vshojo is doing great.
Clearly just copying vshojo isn't a guarantee of success.

>>27543760
Weird, because she said she was broke and made her fans fund and make her previous model by themselves

>>27535992
>final verdict
She's just your typical Twitch thot who can't live under the radar. She needs her weekly dose of Twitter trending etc, and going indie is not the way to go.

>>27543343
I will fix it.
Suspicious companies tried to scam her several times thinking that she was a newbie Indi

>>27543247
There is little reason why VShojo would be better at merchandising than any other small logistics company. Maybe at extreme scale, but VShojo's merchandising operations simply don't operate at the kind of scale that insulates them from small/mid-sized business competition. They don't really have a moat beyond being the default choice for their talents - a smaller market than vtubers & creators at large, which an alternative provider could *also* target.

>>27541597
has anyone from vshojo graduated yet? genuine question

>>27546846
Well, officially no but status of Hime Hajime is very questionable. Tho Syd being part of this group was from the start just a shitty joke.
Also, Zen for a while dropped V-Shojo branding on Twitter and was unsure about her future but quickly got over it.

>>27535992
I can only kneel at just how much she saviourfags

>>27536846
You guys really don't know anything about VShojo. Then again, some of the fags who come into our thread and claim to be regulars there don't seem to know the basic info.

>>27537900
To be fair, this is a concern some of us have in the /vsj+/ thread, too. So far, tho, nothing has come of it. The VCs seem to be content to just sit back and watch, however I personally believe the VShojo JP timeline was ramped up partially due to the investments. To what extent I can't say, but Gunrun may have felt like he had to make a splash and splash he did.

>>27538457
This is a fairish criticism outside of Apricot (Froot) who was, at best, a two view artist streamer before she joined VShojo and now regularly enjoys ~3-3.5k viewers (tho it depends on what time of the days she's on). I could argue that Veibae is also a success story as she was a 1-2k andy before joining and now is 9-10k regularly. A lot of that has to do with her own abilities and talents but having the support hasn't hurt I'm sure.

>>27543892
Mech and sponsorship will keep them afloat. Just use same model as Li Ziqi's (vlogger with 16M subs) partner.

>>27538925
This is another interesting challenge, yeah. Will VShojo be held to the same standards as corporate entities if the corporate entity of VShojo is different than HL and Niji? It will be fascinating to see what unfolds here. Further, we'll see how willing Cover and AnyColor is to play hardball in trying to get loyal Japanese businesses folded 1000 times to ignore the foreign monkeys.

>>27541438
>Guess no other company wanted to take her and Mike the Cat
This is part of VShojo's identity. Bear in mind that the company was unofficially co-founded by Melody as no reputable vtuber corp would have wanted someone like her in their line-up. Some of their founding members had been dealing with controversies before joining too, like Nyanners, Froot and Melody herself with the whole Digitrevx debacle.
So they definitely specialize in picking up people that the industry at large may view as "undesirables" but who still hold a lot of potential for success.

>>27538457
I'd question if they need to or isn't it a business model to sign up already successful people. It's pretty low risk but guaranteed merch sales which justifies the generous terms they have.

>>27547455
>You guys really don't know anything about VShojo
lets keep it that way

>>27542419
She could. The benefit works both ways. As some have noted, it allows VShojo to snag established talents who don't have to rebrand (unless they want to) but gives the talents the option to leave any time they want if they're not getting what they need from the company. Part of the reason nobody has left yet is, in my opinion, Gunrun hasn't ballooned the talent size beyond what the company can handle, so there hasn't been any issues yet (other than the Nux situation).

The thing is tho, everybody loves Gunrun. Even people not in VShojo love Gunrun. Plus, the girls all love each other. It sounds perverse, but they really do feel like a family when you watch them. Not everybody collabs equally with everybody else, but the ones that do have genuine friendships and that makes things harder to leave probably.

>>27543019
They get merch money, sponsorship cuts, and appearance fee cuts, and something nobody talks about is that they also have their own YT and TikTok channels to post clips on so they probably make some revenue those ways too.

For some reason all those big bad corpos have better content than vshojo, I mean watching youtube videos on stream is not a good content.

>>27543959
It's possible Kson, the other girls, or even VShojo themselves helped her pay for it. She'll be able to make the money for it back maybe her first stream.

>>27537454
Activ8 and Anycolor already tried this with upd8 and Nijisanji Network. Both projects ended up being shut down.

>>27545287
VShojo originally went through SharkRobot but that didn't work for them so now they're doing it on their own. Tho we've only seen limited merch runs to this point. The launch of VSJP has given us a new main website and a merch section there tho, so could be we're going to see more merch soon.

>>27548893
>Not everybody collabs equally with everybody else, but the ones that do have genuine friendships
And you think that's not true of other corpos?

>>27535992
>I want to know more about VShojo
>They [...] love VTuber culture.
She lied as naturally as she breathed.

>>27548893
i wish [people would fuck off with the family meme for tuber companies. if there is a contract its not a family

>>27549066
>, the other girls
are you retarded

>>27549558
Ironmouse might have helped.

>>27549366
The issue with corpos is that they can analyze which pairing sells the best and push them with merch and collabs, and it isn’t until the idol speaks with their manager about recent break ups or fall outs.
With VShojo, you can tell sometimes they aren’t as united as they appear, but that’s friendships in a nutshell, certain cliques are gonna appear, but they reconnect from one thing and another and they start to talk as always.

Basically, Corpos mainly are friendships on work environments, while VShojo (until this point) has been friendships that went into the same work environments

>>27549066
anon everybody knows she wasnt broke at the first place, shes a compulsive lier

>>27549488
In the case of vshojo, most of the original members were friends before contracts were involved

>>27549924
wasn't the being broke thing just a 5ch rrat anyways?

>>27549707
Actually she might, she knows a lot of people that do rigging and models.

ITT: kson antis

>>27535992
How Cover should've handled it. Instead, they milked their fans wallets and emotions. If this was another industry, it'd be a shameful display of greed.

>>27550184
nope she said it on stream

>>27536859
>way more sponsorships than she ever had in hololive
Bruh, which sponsorships she has compared to hololive?

>>27549418
Literally no one would say that as the first thing that comes to mind about vsj.

>>27549418
It does sound like an advertisement.

>>27535992
Blacked whore from Atlanta

>>27547881
>Veibae is also a success story as she was a 1-2k andy before joining and now is 9-10k regularly
c'mon bro we both know that's the soda/LSF incline after they went on Mizkif's gameshow which Vshojo had nothing to do with. Though I think the branding helps give an air of professionalism and prestige that helps convert twitch normies who would feel weird watching random 2views

>>27535992
As a vshojofag: Really happy with the entire situation. Will simp for Nazuna.

>>27535992
Kson is quickly becoming full on roastie tier.
>piss of the chinks willingly (while based as fuck, she also has to realize she egged them on in the first place)
>knows fully well it'll hurt covers revenue, does it anyway (based but she's a grown woman who should know that it would have had real consequences)
>now shilling vshojo for PROTECTING their talent
I might make an edit of that bicycle meme but with kson if Im not lazy. This putas going full retard at the speed of light. I can't blame her too much for taking the money but I guess the math must have made sense. My rrat is the money she got will cover lost gachis and then when she quits (maybe in 2-3 years or whatever her contract states) she'll try to recoup her lost gachis and eventually retire after failing to do so while bleeding viewers every stream.

>>27553427
Gotta love 15yo nux/rev viewers who think they are at all informed about the happenings in the vtuber world
Antis couldn't write something this stupid

>>27553427
stfu zhang

No more gaming streams without permissions, no more watchalong/reactions without permissions. Vshojo decided to play on the bigger leagues, then they have to follow the same rules as Hololive and Nijisanji do or it'd be unfair otherwise.

>>27555269
nah, they'll just keeping doing what they always do because they're based in america and they don't need to ask shit for permissions

>>27555331
Junsgang will find a way

>cons nothing
>VShojo loves V-Tuber culture.
>Claiming to be an indie while under a company who just got 11 million dollars in funding.
It's just a load of fucking nonsense.

>>27555269
No, they dont have to

>>27535992
>love vtuber culture
the only thing they love is inflicting their own culture on vtubing

It's basically a merch deal. I don't know what you people expect out of this.

>>27554656
No longer a valid rebuttal no matter how much you want to keep trying.

>>27555269
>it'd be unfair otherwise
Cope

>>27541835
Couldn't it instead be
>Kson and Rushia joins VShojo as part of a new JP branch
>VShojo uses this news to convince investors to invest in them

>>27551125
Vei was already much higher than 2k avg before she met with that crowd

I'll just be glad when holofags and antis get over their butthurt and stop acknowledging vshojobros alone again because the cancer they cause is on par with veispergs in /vsj+/ and I can barely tolerate that

>>27551125
vei was already hitting 10k viewers 6 months before she even met soda, if anything her numbers have fallen since

>>27557568
Vei stole Nyanners cats

>>27557885
this is true and I can confirm

"No restrictions."

Lol sure, I highly doubt they'd allow someone to go on and say "Fuck Ukraine" or that they're against abortion or pretty much any center/right-wing position. This is a San Francisco company afterall.

>>27562060
anon what you're still not getting is that they can't "allow" or "forbid" anyone from anything as the vshojo members are not their employees but more like their customers, vshojo has no power over what happens in their streams, the most they can do is make suggestions

>>27564840
well the most they could do is break the partnership with them
though of course they can't be suspended or fired

Even Mori didn't fuck up THIS bad

>>27535992
I hope Vsho actually paid her to read their company brochure

>>27556302
a $11million investment wouldnt come that quick, unless it was moneywashing of some kind

>>27535992
she breaks her promise and she's a 3dpd streamer. idk about you but she failed as a respected human and as a vtuber. just another whore joining a whore company and they expect people to celebrate. what a joke

>>27550475
All of them. Since the yab, she got nothing. Not even an appearance on hologra, and that's in-house. But of course Holo bootlickers will deny this.

>>27565060
Not now, cuckbeat.
I don't disagree. Just. Not now. Please.

they're coming off like WWE in terms of what she's saying but they are still a company with those talents employed under it
remember how they all banded together during the Nux drama? because they're a part of the company. whcih makes their "legal support" shaky ground as is

>>27543042
Business-anon I like you, and mostly agree. I have invested in a few small companies, and I would have LOTS of concerns about the risks inherent to their core thesis. I have never needed to run due diligence on the financial model from a media company, never mind one with so many oddities. However, checking Crunchbase about their round, the amount of money from their lead is a little low relative to other deals where Anthos Capital has led. I didn't look too deep, they are on their sixth fund, but I am not sure what stage it is in. They might have already made the fund, and just have spare capital to allocate to more speculative plays.
Every deal has terms of money and terms of control, so there is always a chance that the risk you are pointing to are offset by some stiff non-monetary terms.

I say all of this as someone who enjoys thinking through business models, not because of my opinion on VShojo one way or another. If their business model works, the money will speak for itself, and my opinions can suck a lemon.

>>27536035
How is it a sellout when she still own her model and revenue?

>>27537892
Hololive good is way more expensive than that btw.

>>27538501
vt's rrats and narrative really brainwashed the anons visited this board huh?

Hololive won.

>>27555331
You do know that these companies top Vshojo. If they issue a strike, Twitch will 100% side with the bigger fish, they've done it before.

>>27571393
can you explain these posts in plain english because it sounds intresting

I already stopped watching her long before this. This isn't even the final nail in the coffin, it's her shitting her pants while 6 feet under.

>>27574072
Without regurgitating an entire book on venture deals, not entirely? If the thread is still here in about an hour I'll elaborate on some of it if you have specific questions?
The TL;DR of what I was saying was "I agree they seem to have a super-risky core idea, but I want to be humble/honest and admit the factors that I do not know. Those unknown factors might offset that risk." And the unknown factors are:

1. It is not an industry I do not have instincts or expertise in, so I do not trust my surface-level thoughts on the risk.
2. The investors might be in a "phase of their fund", e.g. how much money have deployed or made back, where super high risks are acceptable.
3. There are often details to an investment beyond "I give you money, I get shares," known as "terms of control", the simplest example being a board seat. Contrary to popular belief, not every investor gets to sit on the board of every company they invest in, normally only the "lead" investor (or representative thereof) out of potentially many. If the executives of a company have enough leverage, they might not have to give ANY investor a board seat.

>>27574604
Typing too fast while rewording a sentence:
>It is not an industry I do not have instincts or expertise in
Correction:
>It is not an industry have instincts or expertise in

>>27549366
Fair, though I wasn't trying to imply otherwise. The question was about why the girls stay, and other than "there's no reason to leave" they also do have a close knit unit.

>>27549488
The feelings are between the girls not between the girls and the agency.

>>27549558
I said it was just a possibility.

>>27549924
You know her better than I do. However, based on Veibae's most recent model and Zentreya's, the kind of extremely high quality vtuber model is no longer "cheap". It's also a time consuming process, so who knows when that began. Considering she's debuting on July 16th, I have to imagine either someone pulled some massive strings to get her model made quickly or this has been in the works longer than people realize. In the former case, it means more money spent.

>>27551125
Others already answered this, but she shot up the viewership charts well before she got any kind of buff from Sodapoppin and his normalfag crowd.

>>27573526
They haven't done it yet, and JP companies have been VShojo sponsors in the past. Nuking access to US audiences through VShojo for the sake of Cover would be an interesting business plan.

>>27535992
Traitor

>>27537240
Last month we literally called her Jesus.

>>27541317
Vshojo has no market in China, Mainland Chinks don't know what VShojo is, Twitch and and anything related to Melody is banned in China, and Veibae was worse than anything Kson did (fucking watched a Tiananmen Square parody).
Vshojo loses China, they lose nothing.

>>27535992
I need proof that kson does in fact wipe her own ass and no gorilla hand has ever been stained by her shits.

>>27535992
>/vt/ final verdict
TELL ME HOW TO THINK I WANT TO FIT IN WITH YOU RETARDS, I DON'T WANT TO BE ALONE IN MY INDEPENDANT THOUGHT I CAN'T DO THAT, VALIDATE ME REEEEE

pathetic...

even tho i think vshojo is dog water, I happy she gains more money now Ig?
This is fr a "Ninja now on Mixer" situation
In like, a year or two she's goin to gtfu and get even more money for herself

>>27572278
*china won

>>27540163
Women shouldn't have creative freedom. That is what led to VShojo in the first place.

>>27582953
ame...

>>27540163
yeah sure cause that has worked REALLY well for Vshojo

>>27541000
>Vshojo loves vtubers
But they hate the roleplay and lore shit or at least Vei does

>>27583922
shhh anon japs don't know that yet

>>27536035
FPBP. It's probably one of the most blatant corpo talk I've ever seen

>>27547455
Neither does Kson

>>27547455
It seems Hololive talents make the most money from the merch whereas Vshojo make the most money from donations.

>>27583922
It doesn't matter, vtubing has now completely become the same as faceless streamers. The term vtubers is redundant now.

>>27586684
So we can call them streamers not vtuber/vlivers now?
Instead of a "Convert" they are "Transmogrify"?

>>27586684
>vtubing has now completely become the same as faceless streamers
Except many of them outright show their faces anyways

>>27582953
*Americans

>>27586684
Just because your shit community of coomers and prostitutes doesn't make that distinction doesn't mean it doesn't exist vshojo faggot.

>>27535992
If they are truly hands off as she says than I better be getting pure GFE experience from Rushia's new character

>>27537243
The way Vshojo works is nothing new. When streamers join esports orgs like cloud9 or team liquid, it works similar to this way.

>>27538457
Thats because thats how their business model operates. They don't develop new talent from 0. They get already stablished people who can make sponsors interested. You need to stop looking at Vshojo as a holo/niji style agency and look at them more as sponsorship management agents.

>>27536248
Neat. They can elevate it.

>>27588157
Lol.
> What is Froot.
> What is Hime.
> Arguably what is Vei.

VShojo literally signs up contracts with everybody who is buddy-buddy enough with Melody.

>>27589301
Those were early cases of people getting plugged in due to being frens. In the future i highly doubt they will keep doing that.

>>27589394
"I-I highly doubt! They gonna change!"
You sound like a beaten wife trying to cope, holy shit.

>>27588157
Nazuna counts as she is completely new from the ground up and did not have an already established base the way the other members did. And as >>27589301 mentioned, Froot and Hime count as well. And before you feed me the "b-but Rushia/Mike Neko" shit, how is that any different from what Hololive does nowin taking in already established content creators and putting them in as their new vtubers.

>>27535992
I thought Coco/Kson has always been a based whore?why is everyone surprised?

>>27535992
Wait she actually joined it? Fuck man, I thought Souchou was better than this

>>27590646
Wait actually reading it it's actually worse because she's trying to stealthily spread this trashy western woman bullshit to japan
FUCK

Shu on ironmouse show on thursday. Didnt you guys say they will be banned from niji collabs? What happened?

>>27591177
>schedule collab before Kson joining
>kson joins
>can't cancel cause it might look bad
>chinks mad
>niji in distress
>one competitor down
devilish mouse

>>27535992
I don’t care that she joined a company but can’t stand how she’s lying about being an indie still

>>27591177
> Ironmouse want to destroy NijiEN by collab with Shu unironically.
> Chinks will enrage and want Shu apologize.
> Chinks will demand ban colab with Vshoujo.
> PR diaster

>>27591328
I agree it is sorta wkward but it is true that Vshojo is a lot different than Hololive and nijisanji, how else would you describe the difference other than this way?

>>27535992
Vtubers always constantly claim they have """""""""""""complete freedom""""""""""""" but have to bow down to their management every time they overstep. Nijisanji bowed down countless of times, Vshojo a.k.a. the company she joined all collectively bowed down to some random anituber, and don't get me started on Hololive.

Yeah we'll see how far her freedoms will go until next year.

>>27591583
When has Vshojo ever forced a chuuba to chnge their content? Which Anituber did they bow to

>>27591684
That Joker dude. They all jumped the guy on twitter and then hours later VShojo's management apologized while making the girls apologize as well.
Also I never typed anything about "changing their content", I specifically left that out.

>>27535992
>SAFETY
lol
lmao
>LEGAL support
Yeah, I've seen their "legal support" kek
She's either lying to shit, or she's dumb enough to believe theirs

>>27592054
Obviously the before, everyone knows she's seriously good at putting on an act

>>27535992
Joining VShojo seems like a good deal.

she didn't do well building her own "house" with Pikamee and some smaller vtubers so she had to go and join VSJ to get as close as her peak in HL.

if they get Lulu and Oyabun though, i'll eat my words. till that happens VSJ is a bunch of whores and the JP branch is no different.

>>27564840
>>27564975
You two are cultist levels of denial if you think vshojo wouldn’t fire or suspend one of their talent if they said somthing like they were anti trans publicly

>>27565060
I mean honestly mori looks like she will be next to join vshojo if this goes over well

>>27592918
They don't own the channels or models or trademarks so what can they do?
They can kick people out of the group but nothing more

explain how you can call yourself an indie while being part of a group that just raised 11 million in funding.

and how are the investors going to see some return on the 11 million, merch alone isn't going to cut it.

>>27592942
The Universal deal are some big, sturdy chains.

>>27535992
>Cons: Nothing

A blatant lie, the obvious con is losing merch rights.

Companies can also exert pressure on you to do things. You don't have to do them, but they can also just fire you.

>>27593374
She didn't lose merch rights, she can make her own merch.

>>27571531
Do you really believe they didn't pay her a few of the millions they got from investors recently to have her shill like this?
This is the textbook definition of selling out after all the fucking "going independent" shit she was on as an indie.

>>27587872
God i hope so

>>27589301
vshojofag herem who is Hime?

>>27590534
I don't get why people keep calling her a whore. She literally went on a CB stream with Mel, the definition of a whore.

When will Holofags learn that Vshojobros don't care if you call our creators whores, we already know and in some cases it's why we watch.

>>27590784
Two wasn't enough, so Vshojo is gonna drop another bomb on Japan

>>27589567
>already established content creators
Nice false equivalence retard.
There's a big difference between getting people with 30k and less subs (holoX) and a known ex holo with nearly 1m subs on her current channel.
MUH ESTABLISHED CONTENT CREATORS THEY ARE THE SAME

>>27593189
you think they're just gonna add two JP members when given 11mil? You must be retarded. Something else is up their sleeve we can't even begin to rrat about with that level of venture capital

>>27593825
Sydsnap's Vtuber granddaughter

>>27541835
Investment from what?

>>27592918
They can't, they literally don't own their IP or channel. If that happened and it turned into a public outrage, they would just cut ties.

>>27593580
>paid her a few million
Do you really think there are any vtubers that crack a million, let alone a couple of that? The hobby is small as fuck, ain't nobody here actually worth a couple of million. MAYBE a million, in Kson's case, since vhoejo is branching into an already saturated market of Japan. But even that much seems far too ridiculous.

Imagine getting offered half a million to sign up for a company that only wants merch rights and sponsorship cuts for you to continue doing what you're doing and tell me you wouldn't sign that contract in a heartbeat

>>27594013
picrel

>>27594010
They're waiting for the right time to announce Lulu and Delta as their next members.

>>27594213
may even be still working out contracts

>>27590784
Just like the good old days.

>>27594234
Probably. I expect no less than 5 initial members, probably closer to 10 over the next year or two if that many accept.

I still can't understand why people are upset that vshojo would sign well known creators in the JP scene to jump start their JP branch. Other than sweaty antis that is.
Boo hoo, Cover didn't agree with my oshi and they left and now I'm MAD they would DARE to join the WHORES at vshojo.
Those faggots need to touch grass.

>>27594334
I expect more JP bros and a gen 2 for vhoejo by the end of the year if the 11mil number is correct

>>27535992
I work a job so Im busy and I haven't seen this news up until now.
I stopped watching her after she quit Hololive, which is a good thing because her content has really went to mediocre shit. I really don't care if she's going corpo because she's chasing brand name popularity. Ill just stick to Phase and Prism.

>>27538501
>literally picking up random 2view chuuba and build her from scratch would be safer and more intelligent
Yeah you're 100% right about that but you're ignoring what Vshitshow gains from having both Mike and Kson. Its popularity. More fans, more talk and more money. Especially with the history these 2 have and all the low iq fans that worship and eat their shitty content up. That's a lot for Vshitshow to gain.

>>27594456
Congratulations on being a sane person with a mature perspective.

>>27594553
-> >>27594361

>>27594553
>More fans, more talk and more money.
"Quantity has a quality all its own."

>>27594163
I was using hyperbole. God knows how cheap she was. Point is she got paid to say this.

>>27594361
Because it means that the sjw influence in Japan grows.

>>27594588
Im not upset about anything. I didn't hear about this until today because I work. None of what I said was wrong, that's the reality of the situation. For fucks sake my job hires some shitty people because that's easy labor which is easy money. Stop engaging in cult like behavior.

>>27594361
Because she kept ranting about being independent then did this stream where she basically fellates vshojo even though she was signed up to them for a grand total of 24 hours when it happened.
People in general don't like hypocrites and sellouts. It's fucking cringe.

>>27594808
Wouldn't be the first time the US dropped a bombshell that spread cancer over Japan

>>27594900
Yeah, that whole stream really left a bad taste in my mouth.

>>27594900
can't disagree that it is in fact cringe