/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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NIJINIGGERS BTFO'd fuck your slutubers

>>2942873
It was inevitable.

>>2942873
Some interesting moments in time:
- Kizuna dominance until Nijisanji comes up in Feb 18
- early Rin Shizuka dominance among the Nijis
- Nijisanji was not the only vtuber company to rise: in 2018 there were a bunch others, such as 774inc (Haneru, Patra) or Game Club (Yumesaki)
- Nijisanji takes the top to become majorly dominant in early 2019
- but a retarded gamer maid keeps them on their toes, and is even nicknamed the Nijikiller by the niji fanbase. Also Choco and Fbk lower down.
- Honma/Shiina dominance for the 1st place, during almost the whole of 2019
- sep 19: sudden holos dive, idk the exact reason, to then get a great rise as they start gaining overseas fans (eops, sea, maybe a little chinese vpns on yt)
- after starting around july, Holo gen3 makes it big with PekoMarine, and they keep rising up and up
- jan 20: little after her debut, Coco is already on the far top, thanks to her AsaCoco, which she`d later give up on as it was too much work
- early 20: Otogibara on 1st place, but she drops the ball, even when compared to the other nijis
- 2020 apr to aug: while theres a covid pandemic in the real world, Peko vs Marine fight for 1st place, with Aqua and Korone right behind
- july 20: Meiro debuts for Niji right to the top, showing great potential, but later graduates
- aug 20: Holo gen5 comes up, and they all blow up for the first month, then stabilize on the following months, getting out of the top 20
- for the Nijis: Mito, Helesta and Kuzuha always manage to remain among the top of their company, ever since their first rise
- sep 20: HoloEN debuts n get straight to the top, then most of them recline a bit, except for Gura (she does recline, but she was just so massive by start that she keeps at 1st). Other ENs still fluctuate on the low parts of the top20.
- oct 20: Cocos Taiwan incident get her to rise a lot, momentarily
- late 2020/early 2021: HoloJPs and NijiJPs gain some ground back from the holoENs, due to the quarantines ending
- early 21: a few indies (Shigure) and vtubers from other companies (Shibuya Hal) manage to pop out in the top 20 as well.
- early 21: schizo arc Haachama gets her straight to top, then a break, and then back to top again in apr (and now another break)
- mid 21: lets see if Gura`s recline will stabilize soon now - the other ENs (not counting kiara) seem to have already settled their growths to something similar to the jps
- apr 21: vshojos seem to be on the incline, although Nyanners, their best ranked, is still low, on the 60th position, close to other chuubas such as Patra, Ollie, Chaika and Uto. Lets see if they can keep rising to the top ranks now...

anything else interesting that I missed there?

How would your oshi feel if she knew you were a numberfag?

>>2943975
She can't even count to 5, so she'd probably think I'm a genius.

>>2943918
I didn't know much about Niji history so I always assumed Mito was on top from the start, I'm a little surprised by that
>>2943975
She's a numberfag too so I don't know why she'd care

>>2944143
well, depends on your definition of top. Isnt being almost always among the 10 best vtubers, from hundreds or thousands of them, not considered to be at the top?
(but yh she didn't get that many 1st places specifically)

>>2943918

sep 20: HoloEN debuts n get straight to the top, then most of them recline a bit, except for Gura (she does recline, but she was just so massive by start that she keeps at 1st).

I don't understand.

If Gura reclined by Sept 2020, why is she still first in Oct 2020.

Did the sudden influx of views/time somehow bleed into a different month?

>>2943918
I knew the 3D live was big for Suisei, but it really seems to have been all-capital BIG if I'm reading this right, since it propelled her to be the 13th biggest in March from having just gotten her 100k subs a month before.

>>2943918
>Haachama takes the top spot in april despite basically not streaming for 2 months
Dedicated schizos aside, vtubing is reclining hard

>>2944686
actually I was wrong, Gura had a slight growth from september to november. (the big drop from nov to dec is youtube implementing a new feature that hides a big portion of the real live viewers, disregard it), she started declining in either december or january, which is when she loses first place

>>2944950
It's views/time for the month

Chammers came back from her break and brought in a lot of concernfags during her return stream

Then she took another break during the later half of the month

So she's first because she fucks up the math: the equation for her becomes (sudden influx of concernfags that normally don't watch her/only 2 weeks of streaming)

>>2944950
this >>2945126
haachama in april is a kind of similar case to Chaika in december 2020 (he had only 5 streams that month, 3 of which being big collabs - hence why he`d gotten so high, despite rarely appearing in other months)

>>2942873
baacharu...

>>2942873
Very interesting to see this visualized. Kind of amazing that Hololive and Nijisanji basically switched places. It started off as a Niji dominated industry with some holos doing strong. Now it's a Holo dominated industry with some nijis doing strong. Really interesting to see the balance of power shift in a visual format.

>>2944973
>Anya bleeding at twice the rate of Risu
oh no

>>2945933
>Niji started dominating the Vtuber trends on Feb-Mar 2018 - 2020

>On Feb-Mar 2020 to date, Hololive basically wrestled away the top spots

I wonder if Holo can keep this up for another year, so they'll be dominant for the same period as Nijisanji.

I also wonder if by Feb-Mar 2022, there'll be another company that'll take over the top spots

>>2943918
>Nicknamed the Nijikiller
A literal drooling autist managed to hang with all the big name Nijis and even managed to beat most of them while keeping Hololive relevant during those dark months of inactivity from Holo.

Lob U Onyon

>>2942873
>>2946412
Hololive prevailed despite facing fierce competition so I'm a bit optimistic for them. Niji's preference for quantity over quality isn't sustainable in the long run.

>>2945266
same with Shiguremama

>>2946412
It's kind of impressive that there is still so much Nijisanji in that list when they have next to no worldwide presence still. If their EN branch turns out well you could easily see another switch around.

>>2947096
I think a big thing that helped HoloEN was that their JP branch already had a surprisingly big worldwide presence before its debut, so the hype was already there.
I have no doubt that NijiEN will do alright, but I can't see them doing as well as the holos did.

>>2947192
True but if the top is still competitive with Holo's with mainly just a JP audience they might not really need to get anywhere near as big of a EN one to catch up.

>>2947290
You overestimate how many EOPs actually watch jps, especially now that they got a lot of options from HoloEN, VShojo, and soon NijiEN. NijiEN might do well, but it wouldnt translate to huge boosts to the jps - especially now that normalfags have less and less spare time to watch vtubers, when compared to the height of covid.
Try giving a watch to the holojp top dogs like pekora, marine and aqua and see by yourself how much chat is actually japanese

>>2947516
It doesn't need to translate to a huge boost? That was the point I was making.

>>2947560
those 3 barely make 10% of english chat, nijiJP would be able to catch even less I would guess.

A dumb bunny deciding to play MGS one day was the vanguard for a paradigm shift in the industry, pretty crazy to see that visualised

>>2942873
Is this based in viewership or what? I don't understand, maybe im retard.

also, you should put something to show from which agency those vtubers are.

>>2942873
Who is Takao?

>>2947096
It's what I always say here. It's impressive that so many nijisanji members are still able to compete with hololive members in numbers even though nijisanji is much more niche outside of jp compared to hololive. No other jp agency is able to do that, maybe with the exception of 774 with Patra when she's doing ASMR.

>>2957643
third line is the kind of source used for each month. Then read the table of sources in the bottom for more detail.
Blue=Hololive (darker blue HoloEN)
Yellow = Nijisanji
Light Green = old school corpo vtubers and indies (before niji)
Dark Green (cow poop color) = 774inc (honeystrap or animare)
Gray = corpo vtubers and indies who appeared after niji


>>2957760
Takao Shinji, according to hiyoko he's been around for longer than kizuna (jan2016 vs dec2016)

>>2957901
this is from January. I'd expect it to be smaller now

>>2942873
>Mori and Kiara dropping off after two months
>Somehow Ina and Amelia are still there
Yeah I'm calling BS, Mori has always crushed Ina in subs and Kiara haa always crushed her in hours watched. If this chart is real, the creator went out of their way to specifically choose metrics which don't favor Kiara.

>>2942873
do hours streamed bitch

>>2959411
stop falseflagging as a kfp

holos that will never reach the top: Rosenthal, Towa, Luna, Holostars, IDs
holos that might have a chance: Azki, Flare, Polka, Aloe (if she comes back)
holos that must be close to getting it: Lamy, Nene

>>2960612
>Azki
No
>Flare
Too niche. If her b-day and new outfit couldn't get her there I dunno what else she could do.
>Polka
Same as Flare, too niche appeal
>Aloe
She's happier as Triangle.

>>2961042
Triangle?

>>2960612
kanata also didnt make it yet, she was 22 when she appears. But her 3d might finally give her the final push for it

>>2961042
I might be too much of a polkafag, but why do you think shes too niche? Flare and azki i cant understand

>>2961182

>>2859181

>>2961042
I might be too much of a polkafag, but why do you think shes too niche? Flare and azki i can understand though

>>2961182
Delutaya

>>2961739

>>2940711

>>2942873
>no Eilene data
BOOOOOOOORING

>>2961866
>Yomemi
>Mirai

>>2962038
That was after

>>2962061
elaborate

>>2961739
>>2961760
Thanks kind fampais

>>2961659
I was going to say her personal game choices never seem to perform well, neither do her unique non-gaming streams. However I hadn't looked at her recent noombers. If she continues playing FoTM stuff like Monhun and Uma combined with Minecraft, she could probably barely make it.

>>2962135
Don't worry that data is now impossible to get.

Yomemi's channel created in 2018
https://twitter.com/BitYoutube/status/949774290710220802
https://twitter.com/BitYoutube/status/944747537231052801
Mirai's channel before her creation was Eilene's main channel
https://www.youtube.com/c/BitTranslate
That old channel exists since 2014
>>/jp/thread/S17947176#p17955984

>>2962573
this cute clown deserves all the best

>>2942873
>still pushing that view/time shit
kek

>>2942873
Haachama did not even stream in April but she's top-chama.

>>2965456
haachama just escaped her time warp, you should too

I don't know why people are so convinced that having NijiEN will flock EN to NijiJP. I myself don't watch HoloEN that much except for collabs because I prefer HoloJP. They are far more entertaining to me. If NijiJP needs a boost in audience then they need more dedicated clippers with great editing that has a flare for viral videos. That's pretty much it. They also need dedicated fans that would actually translate in the chat while live streaming. If anything, NijiEN would probably a new branch that people would exclusively watch since they can easily understand what the vtuber is saying now.

>>2942873
portubro is this you?

>>2965802
I see a lot of EOP that have flocked to the likes of Gura or Ina from previously just watching HoloJP because it's just easier. Subaru and Pekora's stream are the easiest to follow EOP wise since there's dedicated translators in chat and you get clips of highlights too. Okayu has the same too. They don't have to actually to speak English to be entertaining. They need translators and clippers that will constantly churn content from their streams. Not just once in awhile in a official channel. Heck. There's one guy that just made 5hr40min translated vid about the mario kart tournament

>>2965802
I don't think anyone is convinced of it? Nobody is even convinced it will be a success let alone that it will result in anyone watching JP.

>>2965802
Because it will be easier to post dailies THE
ABSOLUTELY STATE OF NIJINIGGER thread down the line when NijiEN turn out to be failure and only gather around hundreds people on stream. Alway it's some form of spam tactics to make people hate them

>Most subscribed Holo
>4th.
>>2965981
Kek

>>2942873
Shhhh...no tears

>>2965981
WAH

>>2966330
Settle down nijinigger, your rrats will get you nowhere

>>2965981
IT`S HAPPENING

>>2966577
It seems to me more like the "rrat" is trying to make out anyone is expecting some huge success from NijiEN. The most extreme thing someone has said in this thread I think is if NijiEN does well it could possibly help the JP branch a small amount.

>>2965981
shit list, it's weighted against Watame who has much longer streams

>>2967415
He normalizes it by stream length and only compares streams of similar length I think. Which defeats the purpose of dividing it all by stream length but whatever. But yeah, would be interesting to see the charts with the same criteria everywhere. Like, one of them for each of the methods.

>>2942873
So looking at this, Hololive now in it's peak. But no competition in sight or is next wave of mega chuubas are indies?

>>2967831
Hardly any of them are real indies, just smaller corporations. But yh, my guess is that either chinese or usa big companies will want a bite and end up ruining it for everybody so it can be inclusive for west normalfags and/or bug normalfags.

>>2957986
This is for eops who talk on chat. There's a lot who are hidden and don't talk about anything, or just when english is spoken

>>2942873
Didn't realize Shiina used to be so big, she was at the top 3 months and 2nd another 3 months during 2019. Then she's middle in the first month of 2020, and not seen again

>>2965802
NijiJP will never get big in the west no matter how many clippers start clipping their stuff and I'm not insulting them by saying that. Hololive blew up because of the pandemic and the ensuing lockdowns. People were stuck at home and watched a ton of Hololive clips. Now Hololive is established in the west as THE vtuber group. People aren't going to move over to Niji unless we get another pandemic and Niji clipper drown out the holo clippers. That isn't going to happen.

>>2968601
I agree. Whoever reached here first would get most of the space. Holo got it first so now there's really nothing more to do.

I still don't understand the reasoning behind those numbers. How are you even comparing the vtubers from pre-recorded to livestreaming?

>>2970564
To keep that strongest idol meme alive.

>>2966636
based

>>2942873
The HoloEN recline in february was fucking real, holy shit. I'm assuming EOPs started watching JPs before Bloom/HoloFes

>>2971345
HoloEN was becoming a little bit uneventful. The most fun was the Jackbox collab they did. Holo is famous because certain explosive personalities like Pekora, the big events like bloom/holofes and because of the interactions that the vtubers make between each other. It's important that you keep up fun interacions. They have one every 2 weeks constantly. These 2 weeks was big too and there are some events coming up too. Almost all big collabs garner big boosts. HoloEN barely has any. It's like long distance friends trying to zoom every 2 months or something. Very depressing.

>>2968601
You are underestimating how the internet works. People are easy to sway. Just look at haachama and her lore stuff. That shot her through 1M way past other holomembers almost in a week. A lot of viral stuff can do you good especially you were memed the right way. It builds anticipation and want. I honestly think there are some nijijp clips that are really funny but are just not recommended.

>>2972053
haachama didnt grow from 0 to schizo queen in one month, though. She already had the hololive fanbase, as well as her ownbasis: she already was considered the crazy one who makes weird food and got insane due to australia. A lot of people already knew the least a bit about her, due to her eopfriendlyness or crossreferences, which then made it much easier to follow on a recommendation of "go watch haachama bcuz shes doing even crazier shit now".
Or would you give it the same chance if I told you there was a small old indie you knew nothing about doing the same stuff? Most wouldnt, although the super cool hipsters here would love to say they would.

>>2942873
>JK gumi reaching top 3 early 2018
It feels simultaneously not that long ago and also as if it's been way too long since then.

>>2966447
I miss Kaguya, but she doesn't miss me

>>2965829
JeJ

>>2971345
I don't wanna say it this way but there's no other way to phrase it: February is the result of America's new government actually dealing with Covid and people immediately going back to work. All of 2020 was some fever dream for most Americans where they adopted new hobbies just to pass the time of being locked inside. Many of them never touched vtubers again after going back to work and being able to go outside again.

>>2965944
>There's one guy that just made 5hr40min translated vid about the mario kart tournament
Where?

>>2973734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9LftU0-VK4

>>2942873
Schizoshit work...

>>2942873
...and before that?
Kizuna Ai was not first Vtuber, this shit was on for like 2 years before she appeared.

>>2973557
You can say that but twitch streamers has always been alive for years now.

>>2943918
hmmmm so Aqua is like Hulk Hogan, and Marine Randy Savage...

>>2972488
I'm using haachama as an example because I was talking about nijijp who also has a sizeable following. It will also be obviously hard to go viral if you're an unknown indie. But if we say chaika starts doing crazy shit... We wouldn't exactly say it's crazy but rather crazier shit. Getting viral at this is point is damn well a combination of clippers' creativity, humor and great editing. I mean have you seen 2many2snacks anime shorts? He's damn well impressive. He should be hired.

>>2972053
Most of EOP knows about Nazono Mito clips but her subs doesn't seem grow, take it, people will not subscribe to niji no matter how many translated clip you made

>>2943918
>Helesta
Just say Lize you faggot
>>2983143
Yea but nobody cared about it before Kizuna Ai. After her then it became a business.
>>2973850
Same guy who did the Sports Day movie.
>>2973557
This. Lets not pretend that COVID didn't boost up vtubers last year. Bubble popped, now its stabilising.
>>2972627
Time in the vtuber industry feels weird.

>>2986755
Again, if there's no translators in chat or no constant stream of clips you won't be able to sustain any support.

>>2986755
She needs to be interesting and entertaining to get subscribers. It's not so easy that just one shitty viral clip will be enough to get her to the same level at Holomems.

>>2988010
Mito is very entertaining for JP. If you're an EOP, you will be unlucky. Most translations of her were like 4-5 months ago. There was one when she had a l2d update but that's it.

>>2973850
These are the kind of clippers I respect. Not rushing shit out and putting out an epic on par with Homer's Odyssey. Some truly impressive dedication and work. More of this guy and less of speed subbers with shitty english.

>>2988936
There was this hour long translation of a Niji stream not too long back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcH4KR1aRds
With a whole ton of notes in the description giving extra explanations for references and stuff like that. Seems quite high effort.

>>2942873
This monday night wars all over again

>>2942873
only the strongest idol could take a month off and still top the charts
wait people actually watch Aqua still? I hardly even hear her mentioned other than to call her an onion.

Also how did you get view time, a lot of autistic number crunching or is there some website that actually does this for you?

>>2986250
Chaika is an instant filter for most westerners because of his shit looks. But if you say Mito or Kuzuha, there might be a chance, yes. Just a reminder, going viral is about the vtuber original charisma just as much as any editting or clickbait a clipper could do.
>>2983143
couldnt find good lists, if you know any just post it here
>>2987039
>Just say Lize
never
>>2973850
this is fucking god-tier
>>2990930
I collected those numbers for a huge list of vtubers, see >>/vt/thread/S2713927#p2713927
on aqua, 4chan wont mention her much outside her own threads because chinks tried to use her as a martyr, although she never did nothing against her mates. But you can see shes still popular here whenever she collabs or when she enters stage on any concert

>>2992215
>>Just say Lize
>never
Why do you insist on using last names for some of them?

>>2992325
My brain saved her face as Helesta long ago. Also i dont like women named Lisa.

>>2992517
What about Aki, Ange, Rin, Kazaki, Ars and others? Why Aimal? I mean, I'm not even against it, just seems funny.

>>2992627
Would you like to have a dissection to see how my brain works, anon?

>>2992215
ChroNoir (KuzuhaxKanae) pulls in EN viewers, which is further boosted with them collabbing with utaite. You can find EN translations of their tweets or some parts of their streams on twitter and its usually when those two are together. Like CR Cup and stuff.
>>2992627
Ars is mayb understandable because mal mal (maru maru).

>>2992627
or Watson, or Mori.

>>2992215
I'm just using an example. The point is if they have a sizeable following then that means going viral is possible especially clips are produced often and are high quality. Be it a meme clip or an actual high value full translation of a special event. And it's obviously going to be up to the vtuber to retain the audience by being consistent and accessible for the EOP audience. We know Mito has some virals but she never really gets consistent EOP because the support is inconsistent. Fumino Tamaki is pretty much the same. For every memorable moment that happened in holomember stream you best believe someone will clip that hours after. You might even get the same shit 4-5 times in your recommendations from different translator. This is called a community. Nijisanji might have that but it's not apparent or consistent. I only see Crossick get that kind of love.

>>2992695
ChroNoir have large weeb K-pop fan and female english speakers for some reason, they literally monopolize the EN female crowd

>>2992933
>for some reason
Two good looking male avatars, collab together and even have their own pairing name and channel, play with utaite who also have EN female fans. Its not surprising. Strongest guy and guy pairing in vtubers. My sister got to know Kuzuha due to them playing with Soraru. She's not into vtubers despite that but now she knows what they are.

>>2983143
Who would you want them to list before her, Eilene and Ami Yamato? The one thing I noticed about that list is that all of them have the same use of motion tracking models.

>>2942873
chimkin...

>>2942873
>youtube starts hiding live views
>when they lterally said they only removed bot views
*holo girls started losing view so i invented a new method to make them at the top again
ftfy

>>2993199
its not just holos

>>2993252
>>2993199
This. The vtuber bubble popped. Only idiots thought 2020 numbers would be the norm. Its only going to get worse with vaccines coming out.

>>2942873
Why are you always lumping JP and EN together into ONE hierarchical pyramid without any viewer data by country? Your globohomo statistic centered around English doesnt explain any accurate reality of popularity. You just calculate it without doing any real number ratio of the language users. In your way, English contents in all geners always have to be the most popular because its the largest language in the world.

4月の同接5万人超え

ホロライブ
96,348 かなた 1周年
92,919 ねねち 3Dお披露目
91,287 ぺこら 新衣装
89,292 ココ 新衣装
67,055 すいせい 3周年ライブ
56,658 マリン ファッションチェック
56,575 ココ Reddit
55,952 EN全員エイプリルフールコラボ

にじさんじ
64,270 ういは 3Dお披露目

>>2993705
Where do all the shitpost review viewers go other than those streams? Most of them aren't Cocofags?

>>2993772
shitpost review is pretty much considered a community event at this point

>>2993405
We dont really have viewer data by country.
<--Also, this is a pyramid
>>2993772
I think most of them are just eop redditors who like coco, not fullout cocofags. Many of them usually dont watch her regular jp streams

>>2993405
We dont really have viewer data by country.
<--Also, this is a pyramid
>>2993772
I think most of them are just eop redditors who like coco, not fullout cocofags. Many of them usually dont watch her regular jp streams

>>2992215
I give aqua shit on here as the bug queen, etc, but she's ok. She's cowardly, but that's far from being a backstabber, not the worst thing in the world. Hopefully someday she'll get over her fear of being seen with coco.

>>2965981
Takodachi here, we don't care about numbers, we just like spending time with the Priestess

>>2993905
are you fucking dumb. that image merely expresses one of the uses. you didnt seem to know the concept and just googled it

so then your statistic proves nothing. you are a complete idiot. as i said, in your way, english contents end up having to be always the top in every genres chart unless it fully consists of non-english contents.

>>2995528
Pyramid means there's more on the base than on the top, but sure keep telling yourself how smart you are.

>>2995528
Are you talking about vtubing alone because Latin America and Indians have the most crazy numbers as far as veiwing statistics for nonvtubers. English is just big for you because that's what you see in your algorithm but it's a mix of languages https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-subscribed_YouTube_channels

>>2995793
english is at the top. my analogy is the language pyramid, so it totally works for it. english is the most "privileged" one. you ignore the fact that english is the most privileged language in the world and has the largest number of speakers in total including ESLs

your stastic can be accurate only if you count only english speaking users, incl ESLs, and separate japanese vtubers from other english speaking ones. unless the requirements are fulfilled or japanese vtubers have fully real-time english translations like the localised jp videogames for the western market, you cant figure out any accurate data.

completely unrelated I guess, but can anyone give a rundown on why Hiromoot seems to have suddenly risen in popularity lately?

>>2996152
well, this is a list of the most popular vtubers, no matter what language they speak, nor their audience's lang. They can have jp only, en only, or mixed audiences.

>>2996769
then its just "the sum of the view counters on youtube". its accurate as the yt view counter statistic but far from "a proof" of anything. japanese vtubers are basically the same as non-translated japanese videogames that arent released for the western market. most english-speaking/esl users would ignore such contents because of the language barrier.

you lump the jp stuff for the jp market and the en stuff for the english/global market together but it cant explain any actual "worldwide popularity" other than the counter numbers on the site. both of the markets have totally different types of demands and consumers.

>>2997588
whatever makes you feel good about your oshi, anon. This is a list about the most popular vtubers according to public data.
Who is the best, on another hand, is entirely subjective to each person. Everyone has different values and preferences, and their favorites will be different from yours or mine.