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>>29792383I really hope that this rm doesnt need to be a secret thing is not a widespread sentiment among the nijien community since i would actually feel bad for her if they try to shift in that direction since she supposedly went to great lengths to try and lose that schizo
>>29791406>If you wanna help, can you list all the VOD views for Tempus/Iluna in this format:>>29791508>Also, if you do wanna help by listing the vod views, maybe tell me in advance so I can work on the data for them ahead of timeThe number of streams is small enough that I can simply turn one of the scrapers on google's direction and check the current VOD but the fact there are too few makes it an unreliable experiment.I'll likely do it but for a larger sample size, maybe the 261 streams I have on record, between June 1st and July 31st, with the peak between 5k and 5.5k. Checking if, for a similar CCV; the number of VOD views growth with the length of the stream would be trivial then.I could then expand it to an even larger sample if there is any conclusion to be had
Hololive won on all three fronts today.2022 is another year for Hololive.
Do you think we'll see a NijiKR resurgence in the near future? Iluna has cornered that market at record speeds and it'll put a lot of Korean eyes on Nijisanji in the near future. I hope Riku takes advantage of this and debuts another KR wave soon.
what is this
>>29792656>I hope Riku takes advantage of this and debuts another KR wave soon.Me too, this type of delicious despair can't be bought or sold, only given for free
>>29792513>(on a board where 20% of the threads were about actual idols)WHAT
* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *>114,404: Miko (Hololive)>71,833: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)>41,478: Marine (Hololive)>39,156: Lize (Nijisanji)>37,470: Tsukasa (Indie)>32,235: Korone (Hololive)>31,597: Hayato (Nijisanji)>30,701: Lamy (Hololive)>28,079: Toya (Nijisanji)>21,205: Toya (Nijisanji)>20,396: Salome (Nijisanji)>16,811: Botan (Hololive)>15,778: Miko (Hololive)>14,554: Mio (Hololive)>14,146: Mumei (Hololive)>12,400: Reid (Neo Porte)>12,233: Chloe (Hololive)>11,404: Watame (Hololive)>10,106: Shu (Nijisanji)
Nice i had to look at the catalog for 30 seconds and see the jannies are worthless retards
>>29792649I was MIA because I had a life for once, what happened aside from Miko taking gold?
>>29792626>rm doesnt need to be a secret thing is not a widespread sentiment among the nijien communityIt's clearly not, as evidenced by Ren and the fact that the fanbase hides out in a fucking doxxden
>>29792383I have a different view on the matter, Nijifags were already bitter assholes back in 2019 and didn't give a fuck about anything and anyone but 2324.
>>29792712hownew.ru
>>29792712Wut? You never been to JP?
>>29792716King streamed for significantly longer than Miko. He had more total viewers.
>>29792716
>>29792656Correct, Hololive already cornered the KR market. Why is Hololive so powerful?
>>29792712...have you never actually been on /jp/ anon?It's a mix of dead 2hu image dumps, idol/gravure/seiyuu threads, JAV, and the vtuber generals that bump everything else off constantly and make all the oldfags angry
>>29792716>>29792806
>>29792812Hololive has absolutely no presence in Korea. They're barely known anywhere in Asia.
is live a live a good game?
>>29792626I think stuff like /b/omu mind broke them so hard they've over corrected in the opposite direction to where doxxes don't matter and are no big deal
>>29792638This is the way i'm formatting it currently, if you wanna take overformulas:>Time:=(hours*60)+minutes>Vod/CCV>Vod/CCV (lmao)If you just wanna word vomit data, you can use pastebin and ill continue
>>29792656>I hope Riku takes advantage of this and debuts another KR wave soon.I doubt it, both them and ID are hidden away until they all disappear or he gets another bright idea to rebrand them
nijiID and nijiKR are dead, nijisanji just put them in a corner to rot or graduate since terminating them a la IN would be bad optics again
>>29792656Maybe they should make and ID branch! I'm sure with the reach that Nijisanji has, they'll surely be able to penetrate that market and will be successful, ID after all is a large emerging market so Nijisanji can spread their influence there and be more renowned globally, ACCELERATE!
>>29792866Why the fuk did they do the Korean cafe collab with holoEN then? First expansion is a cafe collab?
This retarded ongoing nijisanji vs hololive shit has mindbroken the board and dragged down the quality of every single thread one way or the other.
>>29792656are you the same anon that didn't know who luknights were?
>>29792920ID and KR have been inclining recently though. KR had a stroke of luck when Salome signal boosted Nari Yang and now they're going mainstream thanks to Iluna's popularity in Korea. ID has been growing consistently since the merge too.
>>29792896It happened way before that with the surge of fujos that didn't give a fuck and i can even be argued to have happened even before that with westerners that went around and bragged about "muh secrit knowledge"
>>29792866Wow, Hololive presence in Korea is undoubtably the strongest. How do they do it?
>>29792989What can you do when it's an All Out War...
>>29792969They could try spreading in another region, like India.
>>29792656Is Riku the ultimate decision maker in Niji? Was he the one behind the decision to axe KR and the other branches?
>>29792986Nijisanji had a Korean branch long before Cover even got to do anything in the country.
>>29792866Meanwhile, on Kaela's stream today,
>>29792787>>29792896well if that does happen anons whove been posting about mito graduating might actually be prophets since i dont think she wants to deal with that again
>>29792902for example, Axel, from tempus>videoID, video_lenght, views, titlevCB2gAYZlZM PT52M53S 50549 【TEMPUS】Time for some TEMPUS nihongo jouzu session #1reVA52t4hcU PT54M43S 31609 【Just Chatting】I like talking but don't like listeningAPKsXXU7rgM PT1H7M29S 28022 【Xenoblade Chronicles 3】Time to start a new adventure!4OWnMFcP1V0 PT1H1M45S 48105 【雑談配信】一方的に俺の話を聞かされるだけの配信。syQ4tJCMceI PT1H14M48S 51033 【Chivalry II】POV: Not so isekai anymoreZ1Qc8QMO_pQ PT59M20S 98054 【APEX】THE BOYS.rP1n_YcHX7E PT51M42S 83191 【Escape Simulator】My INT ain't actually that badUvSKHYzB82M PT2M15S 299855 酔いどれ知らず (Yoidore Shirazu) / Covered by Axel Syrios【歌ってみた】JRTOfhbdbn0 PT47M57S 298386 【DEBUT STREAM】WASSSUPPPP ITS DEBUT TIMEEEEE 8) #Syrios_Debut #holoTEMPUSdVZYxWDjbXQ PT6S 29316 It's a secret, aight?u1mEOrsBsLs PT11S 120188 Watching Yagoo-san's dream fly away
>>29793061We need to get Fulgur to cancel the all out war...
>>29792656Yes, surely reviving a branch they killed themselves won't piss of actual nijifans.
>>29792889Cult classic and enjoyable. Has 7(8) different genres in it and a decent story. For numbers? Probably a debuff. You know how it is with ENfans and JRPGs.
>>29792989Blame the ALL OUT WAR leakand niji management
>>29792920Fuck off midget shiller
>>29793116Will the final "mito_worried" feature herself?
What the fuck holoEN is actually streaming today
>>29793068Such a wonderful idea, I mean India does have about 1.38B people, surely Nijisanji will be able to create a market there, oh I know, why not integrate them with EN since they'll have far more reach, man, Riku sure is a smart cookie
>>29793086Cover is already everywhere in Korea. How is Cover so powerful?
>>29793196its either that or her anti finding out where she lives and we see a news about the 1st vtuber getting killed by her stalker
>>29793136I think the formats good, I can import it into excellibreoffice with no problem, but it includes non streams like the 12 second videos and songs. I just want streams. Is there a way to exclude them? I suppose I could just exclude ones shorter than 10 minutes from the list
>>29793114>88k yenalmost nothing. am i supposed to be impressed?
didn't we have this same shitposting loop like 4 hours ago
>>29792920>merge ID with JP>doesn't give any merch for their birthday>still take a cut from fan made merchblack company etc etc
>>29792787To this day im fucking baffled people just treat that place as another discussion place. Wild
>>29793210They always do this shit. Do no streams and then randomly one day its like half of them in a chain. Expect Gura to stream too and of course debuffson won't miss a day like this.
>>29793210they stream everyday
>>29792989not just this board its actually been pretty hostile even outside here due to that all out war thing thats why unityfags are always seething about that
>>29793275dumbass
>>29793210They're scared of Iluna. NijiEN has been gaining a lot of mindshare lately and people are starting to forget about Hololive. That's what happens when you only release one wave per year.
>>29793073The guy responsible for much of their historical decision making now works at vshojo, the winding down of KR/ID happened after he got moved out of that role
>>29792989All Out WarYou Nijikeks wanted this
>>29793264alright, which channels do you want
>>29793275Please be nice that's like a year salary for indogs
>>29793363>and other stupid things Nijiniggers say
So the strategy here is saying the most retarded and easily disproven things for easy (you)s correct?
>>29793363why do you do it? don't you ever get bored of pretending to be retarded day in day out
>>29792904>New branch: NijiGlobal>ACCELERATE throughout the world across all regions, language, and BORDERS
>>29793411If you're going to use pastebin, might as well drop as much data as you can across all streams. If possible, all of HoloJP, ID, and EN, and all of NijiJP, (inc ID/KR) and EN please and thanks
>>29793502yes just make sure it makes Nijisanji look worse
>>29792889Meme game. Popular in japan because of the perceived cuckshit and popular in the west because no official tl (until now)
>>29793275Is this a shitpost or are you seriously that retarded?
>>29793502>>29793561its to shit up the thread so much that it dies the discordfags already admitted to it in the past couple of threads
So, how long until one of the new Nijis does a zhang pandering stream?
So I tracked Leos' 3D debut VOD numbers since it had a massive Z.The Youtube verification algo culled about 20k views from his VOD.Totally normal ratio though (2%) since the VOD is so big.
>>29792656>Do you think we'll see a NijiKR resurgence in the near future?Yes, Riku, please relaunch niji KRYour honor demands it
>>29793618they tried that with genshin and it didnt workMaria could do one if her chinese is good enough
>>29793524So Holo is Cipher in this case?
>>29793690no hololive is razgriz
>>29793363Nice falsefagging Holochad
>>29793535bro, hololive alone has 37k videos, gonna give you iluna and tempus for now
>>29793690
>>29793210holoEN seems to stream in waves, a lot of their events seem to be almost full branch events(well, hard to avoid this with only 2 gens) so they all end up too busy to stream, then they all stream because they feel like they haven't been streaming enough, and then the next event rolls up and they are all too busy again. We just had a trough because of sana's graduation, and we'll probably get another one around crunchy expo. If the stars are mostly excluded from branch-wide events, then that might smooth this out some, but this is mostly just a natural weakness of not accelerating.
>>29793535Also, this is the existing data for Iluna/Tempus:Shows VOD/CCV vs Time streamed (m), correlation is really inconsistent (obviously since theres a really small sample size)>>29793745Give me the last month of HoloJP,ID,EN and NijiJP, EN? I already did Iluna/Tempus by hand
>>29793524>>29793690>>29793727>>29793804Do you guys like... Orange?
>insult philippinoes>shitposting in global stopsThank Christ philippinoes are too retarded to get into Hololive>inb4 warned againkys Nijisanjeet jannies
Would Hololive be in a better position if the Reddit Dragon didn't anger China? They lost so many game perms because of that and they never really recovered. It's still the biggest yab in the industry to this day.
>>29793825and debuts filtered out
>>29792755New NijiEN yab, another -1% to collabs ever happening, and another -1 to NijiEN reputation.
>>29793880>Thank Christ philippinoes are too retarded to get into Hololiveyou do know that one of those vocal nousagis and his clique is a flip right?
I legitimately believe Cover could do something as retarded as launching a Niji IN (EN)(IN) branch and it would still be successful.
>>29793618one of them is a literal zhang, so not long i would guess
>>29793524> GlobalReminded me of this old ass collab kek : https://youtu.be/kVnUHnz8mccFirst and last time I saw someone from HoloCN.
>>29793881No, because the drama was intentionally fanned by bilibili so they could replace hololive with their domestic competitor, as happens to literally every successful foreign business in China eventuallyIf it wasn't the Taiwan mention it would have been something else
>>29793871"You are a slave to history""Even after the greatest yab you fight against the only one who can save your numbers""You are solely responsible for this, Nijisanji"
>>29793989Wouldn't surprise me, but no way in hell would i trust those streetshitters to be even a slight improvement over the current seadogs.
>>29793275Special
>>29792712love this board man, newfags literally glow in the dark
So, what's the strategy here for the Myth girls that can no longer pull good number regardless of streaming hours or contents? Mori and Ame seem to be unable to pull themselves by the bootstrap any more.
>>29794202I'm not going to help you omegay
>>29793989But will the audience redeem or not? that's the real question here...
>>29792796I mean yeah, but being on /jp/ the insistence on reps, calling everyone EOPs and general shitting on newfags was already part of the culture, I don't think Nijisanji had much to do with it.
>>29794202well mori and ame haven streamed anything buff in monthsso i first would wait for mori rust shanenigans and more JP colabs
>>29794202Mori is simply in the Aqua Zone where she's too busy being a musician to do streams anyone cares aboutAme just did a 3D tech demo stream disguised as a superchat reading because she actively wants to filter people
>>29794202>Mori and Ame seem to be unable to pull themselves by the bootstrap any more.Sounds like they should improve themselves honestly, Ame is taking flaky to a whole new level and i can see ven some devoted teammates getting kinda tired of the whole "do nothing for a long while and suddenly do something completely new and creative"
>>29792989Eh not really imo.When shit like this happens, the dramafags are usually on the catalog threads.this actually improves the thread quality in a HUGE way (as you can see on this thread, on the NijiEN general, hlgg and the assorted generals).Unless it's an actual graduation or suspension, yabs like this will mostly stay on the catalog. Sure this thread will weigh in on it for maybe 30 mins or so but after that we can discuss numbers in peace.
>>29794075It's also worth remembering that other Holos were caught saying Taiwan to no consequences (Aqua and Haato), and Haato was literally right there next to Coco but barely received any consequences. Also, Kson receives almost none of the harassment Coco got, while Fubuki's still getting hounded for something I bet half the fanbase is too new to even know happened.
>>29793881No
I refuse to believe that these people who post about how Nijisanji is a great company unironically believe at everything they say. It's so blatant you can't take them seriously!
>>29794202Mori only needs to focus on her music, streaming isn't a priority for herAme needs to get the Gura buff back, some yuribait on 3D should do the trick
The Luna of Nijisanji.
>>29794436>Fubuki's still getting houndedThis is probably what pisses me of the most about this whole thing
>>29794469That's how you know they're not a real Niji fan.Actual niji fans hate the company even more than holofans, but they just love their oshi and their friends more.
>>29794202None of them try to get CCV numbers so any strategy is a waste of energy on whoever types it. The easiest strategy is always the most applicable: consistent schedule/timeslot, minecraft. There.
>>29794063Wait what the fuck Coco collabed with the Librarian? This was from June 2020, huh. Guess I wasnt too into Subaru back then. I mostly watched Chammers, FBK, Luna, Ayame(I know, lmao) and Okayu, and funnily enough, Civia when she was allowed onto youtube since she was in Canada at the time. Interesting piece of Chuuba history right here.
It's been a week since Tempus and Iluna debuted, at this point it should be safe to say that debut buffs are officially over.
>>29794202I don't think it matters for Mori. She has her music and it's probably better for her to focus on that anyway. Ame needs to be consistent. Consistency is like the number 1 thing you should be doing as a streamer if you want to see growth.
>>29793812>ACCELsanji is way too fast>Hollowlive is way too slowI just want a balance. Myth carried for a fucking year ffs
>>29794475>Ame needs to get the Gura buff back, some yuribait on 3D should do the trickEven yuri is not that powerful.
Is nijiEN immune to yabs. I feel like if bomu happened on holoen itd unironically be over but bomu just kinda blew over after a week
>>29794202All of them should have sex (with me)
>>29794469I believe that they exist, but they are solely NijiEN fans that can't comprehend that you and your chuubas are allowed to shit on the company from time to time no matter how "good" you feel they are
>>29794261What you're describing only happened in early /hlg/, /vyt/ was only gatekeeping for the sake of elitist gatekeeping.
>>29794580Less unicorns
>>29794469 I was being sarcastic anon, I'm not sure if I made it obvious enough
>>29794502it's just 1 dude with spambot tools. He can't even spam multi-live chats as they did with Coco.
>>29794580No one really cares about them to the same degree or level
If IRyS doesn't hit 10k ccv on her first solo stream in 2 weeks is it safe to say she's a flop?
>>29794202let me have sex with them, i will fix them
>>29794580kiara (500,000 yen woman) has literally done WAY worse and nothing happened either
>>29794469I think half of those posts here are ironic. But we've seen the youtube comment section and it's the same kind of message so I'm not so sure anymore.
>>29794580No one cares about nijis so that is a good thing when yabs happens
>>29794202Mori really wants to play RUST but keeps getting cucked the fuck out of it due to things falling through, like the server resetting and her music stuffs. Doesnt help she has this weird autism right now about wanting to finish a back log of games up too.
>>29794502I mean...she deserves it. If anything she should have graduated instead of Coco because while Coco didn't do anything wrong deliberately, Fubuki was stupid enough to fan the flames on purpose. She fucked over Aqua and the rest of her colleagues just for a few cheap political points.
>>29794679What is the opinion of Kiara in your split? For some reason nijiniggers loves bringing her up to deflect away from Pomu
>>29794564I feel Tempus might still have saviorfag buffs
>>29794568Well, I didnt follow all of them to know but Ame has a really bad consistency? I see her streaming here and there but never pay attention to the time or consistency.
>>29794564everybody knows holo debut buffs long for at least 3 months
>>29794202Resign, troon
>>29794580Management doesn't care about females yabs in NijiEN, they lose nothing, they might even be happy if it led to a graduation
>>29794745yellow bugman fingers typed this post
>>29794800I wonder what a graduation in NiiEN would even have for numbers
>>29792638>>29792902>>29793825>>29793924to finish this saga, no, vid length doesn't influence vod views. Not for Kuzuha, not for Iluna, not for Tempus. Biggest smoking gun is Kyo (24 mins and 70k CCV) has more than Magni (52 mins and 44k CCV). If less time streaming = less views then why did this happen
>>29794745
>>29794745I hope you lost your money with the recent bank scam.
>>29794502Truly, the only thing america did wrong is not letting Macarthur turn china into a glowing crater when they had the chance
>>29794580>yab immunityThat is the power of #1 vtubing company. COVERkeks can't even
>>29794790That doesn't apply to Stars
>>29794625Anon it doesn't work when there are unironic nijifans who post the same shit /here/ and elsewhere.It's like that one satire site that shut down because irl headlines were becoming far more clowny and so there wasn't much they could sarcastically shitpost about.
>>29794751I think she's done some pretty whorish/slutty things (not the pics etc) and endured so many evil things from the idol industry that I have to respect her for not killing herself by now. But as a streamer? No opinion whatsoever, kinda boring desu
>>29794679Kiara's shit you have to dig around through obscure japanese idol posts or reposters to find anything. It's not as evident to the uniniciated as a /b/ slut nude
>>29794790try 6. Holo numbers aren't legit until at least half a year. It's only fair.
>>29794559Around 40% of Holo history is buried thanks to the Holocaust, but some stuff like this is still there on their channels.Sorting by "old" gives a bunch of good content, and some dedicated clippers have even taken to clipping old content when their oshis go on a break.
>>29794839I would say 50-75k for a less popular one, maybe 100-125k for a popular one, and 175k for vox
Can you imagine being stuck on a raft for 7 hours as a 3view while being in the top 5 for most subbed Niji females?
I think Hololive has a good opportunity to go big if they do a KR branch.Right now, the KR streamer scene is having issues. A lot of the old guard of streamers are getting old and their content is getting stale. The surge of vtuber content has been taking over their mindshare for awhile now, not just Hololive. Vtubing in general.Another thing to mention is that the current vtuber clipping meta is taking advantage of a strategy KR streamers would employ a lot. Streaming on Twitch, and clipping those streams to youtube to double dip. The previous KR pngtuber cabal used that from 2017 to basically corner the Twitch to youtube pipeline, but Vtuber clips are eating into that strategy by playing the algorithm to their advantage.In the local scene right now, there's already argument starting to form between content direction, whether or not the scene should move in the JP-style or more KR-style of streaming. This distinction will be important going forward I think.Basically there's an opportunity to take advantage of the shifts happening in the KR streaming scene, and insert Hololive into the scene without much resistance, since the scene there is still trying to acclimate to the introduction of vtubers as a concept. The local resistance isn't much to stop a Hololive drive into the market as it is right now, and will be for some time. As always though, this opportunity to enter the market will stiffen as the local scene gets built up without any outside factors (Hololive, Nijisanji, etc.), where it will be difficult to enter. I think the opportunity will stay open for another year.
>>29794745Hi bug
>>29794892what are these clowns even talking about??Subaru, Ui and Maimoto was in a stream together a few weeks ago, VSPO recently collab with Lapu/Robo, Marine talking to Toko and other NijiJPs just the other day. Do they even watch JP?
>>29794745guaranteed (you)
>>29794995was she always a 3view? how she got so many subs?
>>29795033Iluna is cornering the market in Korea right now. There's no place for Holo.
>>29794933both are equally easy to find, but Pomu was 14, and Kiara was 18-24, and supposedly had a developed brain
>>29794729Rust buff doesn't work in EN
>>29794469anon ive seen the same message in yt comments from actual nijisanji fans so i would not doubt that some of them actually believe that
>>29795085>Do they even watch JP?No they don't and they most likely never will
>>29795118Iluna is doing jack shit in Korea. Even fucking Shylily some random Twitch indie is doing better than Iluna in Korea.
>>29794892The post in that image from Uzumaki Spiral literally reads like the nijinigger copypastas lmao
>>29794780I mean, recently she ditched two days of scheduled streams in order to assemble mocap setup which fell victim to usual HoloEN scuff. I don't think anyone actually follows her schedule anymore, even clippers don't, judging by her performance.
>>29792902>>29793136>>29794843Here is what I got, for a sample of 253 streams,. all between 5k and 5.5k average to normalize for the live viewership.Pic related has the linear regression over the points, and the file is at this locationhttps://files.catbox.moe/vozzz5.csvWithout eiminating the outliers it has close to a 30% correlation. Not big but not insignificant
>>29794580I mean, Mori is a good counterexample. Holofans would just treat them as not part of the group and pretend their fans don't exist, but they'd still have some dedicated fans.The thing with NijiEN is that they are going the route of "death by a thousand yabs" instead of one BIG yab, like the Connor saga or the Gura party thing.It doesn't really have precedence, but every time one of these yabs escapes containment, every time some schizo spergs on the holo sub nijibegging, every time someone starts diverting attention of holo topics into nijisanji, you can feel those minor -1 debuffs happening to their reputation.Their fans won't notice this because they're braindead normalfags or Chinese (but I repeat myself), but this will filter a lot of the "general" and "unityfag" audience that wants to support everyone.That's not really a path they want to go down on, in the long run.
>>29795118I agree, Luna's cuteness is concerning for gooks
Should we replace the Sana line with the Ren line and only ackowledge HoloENs that pass it?
>>29795118Where's the source of this information anon? I only see it being spilled across without substancial proof.
>>29795128will do if she plays on jp time
>>29794580Has to do with relevance. Hololive is the gold standard of the industry so they have a lot more eyes on them. Niji is pretty small time and irrelevant all things considered.
>>29795085not to mention tamaki, or okayu and shiina's show, or matsuri calling to mayu's totsu or shion doing songs with hoshikawa
>>29794843because you're comparing way too different types of content for each stream. It just not 1:1 because shit like events, collabs, lag, overlap, time of start and any other shit will affect it. But the general trend is there.
>>29795232
>>29795085they're talking about EN, and even then, EN has collabed with outsiders besides fucking ironmouse. the problem with these people is they don't realize most holos join hololive to interact with hololive and could not care less about outsiders. to them it is unthinkable that Gawr Gura isn't collabing outside HoloEN every week, it must be the management
>>29795211You can make it the Kyo or Aia line if you want.
>>29794892These all read like children with no life experience
>Janny warning me that my post telling nijifriends in another thread about how hiding you rm is good for a vtuber and citing Mito's stalking as an example is somehow considered trollingsurely the new jannies didnt just start watching vtubers right?
>>29794843>>29795203Here is the same, removing some of the outliers. The correlation gets weaker but it's exactly the outliers that people point out (1 hr streams vs 4 hr streams, for instance)
>>29795085Only EN exist.>Kuzuha who>Mito whoAlso Hizuki Yui of Neo-Porte gen1 was in that collab as well. Holo-VSPO-NewDoor.
>>29794962Is there an updated tracker somewhere with what's still missing at the moment?so much kino still gone. https://files.catbox.moe/v3gzav.mp4
>>29795313I guess the new nijijanny isn't even an old nijinigger but one of the new ones that NijiEN dragged in
>>29794892I really am amazed at the schizophrenia these people have to dream up a completely imaginary "agency cold war" out of thin air, complete with totally imaginary motivations and examples, and actually believe in it en masse
>>29795203R^2 0.2974 is literally COMPLETELY insignificant. Don't let the direction of the trendline fool you, thats a rectangle. Great data btw, I wonder what else we could compile with that
>>29795033Damn, if Shylily has this good views then I cant imagine what Gura has on the KR clipping scenes, if she does have them.
>>29794580What's been their "big" yab anyway?Hololive had > Holocaust> Aloe> Coco/Chama suspensions> China schizo arc> Coco Graduation> Rushia graduation. As big yabs. NijiJP had nippleman and Mayuzumi graduation I guess.What big yab has NijiEN had so far?
>>29795375>out of thin airI wouldn't say that
CCV aside, the Studio De Ame seems like an incredible resource to have for HoloEN, or at least, the NA girls. The stealth tech demo Ame did during her superchat reading was really smooth. How hard would it be for someone to set something similar up in Indonesia, Australia, or in... wherever is central for NijiEN/vShoujo? Is the barrier money or is it technical expertise? Is it super out of reach of the indies?
>>29795395Remember the amongus mod kerfluffle?
>>29794821>>29794846>>29794872>>29795077>>29795106No refutation and going straight for the ad hom. Can you counter my statement? Also I'm American.
>>29794843>>29795203>>29795336Now, this is a random assortment of streams from various companies with different levels of exposureLook at what happens when I leave only the streams from NijisanjiJP>pic relatedthe R2 baloons to almost 0.44
>>29795336>>29795203Again, really awesome data compilation, but you can't honestly tell me that 0.162 would mean anything at all.
>>29795033To add to this, the moment the Korean streaming scene is able to adjust to vtubers and start creating "KR-style" vtubing that's more palatable to their own tastes, I predict there'll be less Koreans looking at foreign chuubas. Now I don't think it will happen all at once. But when it does happen, from there the clock will be ticking on how long foreign vtubers will be able to hold the KR audience's attention.
>>29795118Tell me anon, what happened to NijiKR?
>>29795442iirc Reine is in the process of setting up something similar in Indoland for HoloID. Bae's doomed though
>>29794892like streamers, like fans
>>29795455>Also I'm American.Sure you are
>>29795395an actual yab? none so far but a post some anon maybe a month or 2 ago explains why it would be deadly for an actual yab to happen
>>29795455For the newfags watching, this is why Fubuki will always be beyond reproach, and if ANYONE is shitting on her it's always a zhang.
>>29795488Are straya -> indonesia visas easy to get? maybe that would be an option for Bae.
>>29795395>What big yab has NijiEN had so far?The closest one is probably Vox and his fanbase in general, but i would almost argue that it's the entire branch that just keeps doing small weird yabs that would be easily prevented if they had a modicum of professionalism
>>29795396Gura is popular for sure, but doesn't have dedicated fans like Kiara or Baelz.
>>29795442Is it confirmed that the studio is hers? Last I heard she couldn't get in the studio and Omegay was taking credit for EN accomplishments yet again. I need sources to quell the voices onegai
I just wanna see Kronii do a Korean only stream in KR primetime and see how it goes.
>>29795235Japs don't watch mori
>>29795465https://condor.depaul.edu/sjost/it223/documents/correlation.htm give this a quick readI love that we're actually talking about /#/ in a sea of phillipinos arguing about Z curves and roommate shit
Did Ren really fucking @ Mumei? That's embarassing. Reminds me of that Niji who replied to Suisei and almost got crucified.
>>29794843Can you do this with only streams from the same streamer? I firmly believe that Niji streams get more tourists who drop in on a stream and leave, so mixing Holo and Niji streams would hide that trend.
>>297955965k
>>29795596>KR primetimeShe's sleeping
>>29795395Also that graduation spree that trended on jp twitter and that thing with mayuzumi and his chinese fans not being informed of his graduation
>>29795033I think the Myth Korea Cafe was an attempt to gauge how "real" the Korean audience is.And that blew through all expectations.I wouldn't be surprised to see Cover opening auditions for a KR branch in a couple of months.
>>29795544Pretty sure you can just walk in to Indonesia with a passport. Most of SEA is like that.
Every time a holo posts on the subreddit it goes to the high heavens
>>29795642I did here:>>29793825It's Iluna above, and Tempus below
>>29795579Studio is hers and it was emma that assisted her not omega
>>29795639Who else can they try to leech off of? Everyone knows Ina and Gura won’t bite, Mumei is the next one down the line.
>>29795085Anon, do you think they have any shred of a clue that NijisanjiJP exists? All these """people""" saw was nijisanji english and thought "Hey this is a good opportunity to shitpost against Hololive!""" Why do you think theyre so insufferable? Plus their minds are so poisoned on the whole collab thing. They watch a few American Twitch streamers and YouTube content creators that collab with each other frequently and think thats what the norm should be for Hololive and piss their pants that twitter interactions dont correlate to stream collabs.
>>29795639>Reminds me of that Niji who replied to Suisei and almost got crucified.Who was that?
>>29795525This is the reason Fubuki is one, if not, the most based Chubba out there.
>>29795395how could you mention big yabs for nijijp and not mention volleyball offpako or meiro/roa
>>29795672so 3-5 girls?
>>29794790Salami is still reclining. Her debut buff is still active.
>>29795189Exactly. That's why "sarcastically" posting shit like that doesn't work anymore, everyone will simply think you're a genuine nijifag.On the other hand, posting shit like this about Hololive will INSTANTLY out you as a falseflagger, since Holofans tend to only shill when there's actual context to do so (shilling on /v/ when Aqua got a game, shilling holoearth on /v/, explaining who Subaru is under every Dancing Duck meme etc.).
>>29795781What's even the point of trying to leech from female fanbases? They won't get shit. Easy example: mori has millions of subs and will interact with you if you interact with her on twitter, niji or not. Yet no one can leech shit from her because her fanbase will go "haha nice" then proceed not to watch you.
>>29795781surprised he didnt tweet to the most obvious one mori
>>29795596She and Ina are part of the problem the expansion into KR isn't fully complete. Just like all Koreans that leave Korea, they usually do so because of dissatisfaction for whatever reason, usually lots of self-hatred, but it can be any reason. Additionally, Kronii specifically is not a good fit for the KR audience. That genderspecial/feminist shit is something that the KR audience dislike, especially the KR audience watching Hololive, who specifically watch Hololive to escape that shit. Unfortunately, it's an inescapable part of Kronii, and if more people in KR were made aware of it, the yab potential could be infinite. Clock is aware of this though, which is why she avoids speaking the language to begin with.
>>29795307NijiEN audience in a nutshell.Holo ojisans all going "kids these days".
>>29795384>>29795479>>29795638>COMPLETELY insignificant.Come on, there are obviously a whole more stronger signal with regards to VOD views than duration, it will never be the predominant factor SPECIALLY in a site like Youtube where their algorithm clearly tips the scales for no reason other than a black box of AI powered algorithm.See >>29795465 for what happens when I start controlling for some of these factors. For instance, by filtering only NijisanjiJP I more or less controlled for>Number of subscribersbecause that's one of the factors that affects the number of VOD views for a video.I likely have the data to do a much more controlled experiment controlling for average CCV, number of subscribers, subject of the video (with ASMR having a repeat view value that, for instance, an talking stream lacks), age ofo the video (with videos released two months ago having more time to get VOD views) and this correlation would just increase.
>>29795525>Strongarming Cover into dropping the entirity of China and fucking over all their fans despite the fact that most of them did nothing wrong is somehow a good thing.Dogfuckers really believe this shit. Luxiem and Nijisanji in general taking over the Chinese market only highlights what a mistake it was to abandon it. Literally all Fubuki had to do was shut the fuck up and let Coco take her time out or graduate (which she did by herself anyway, funnily enough). Instead she did something stupid because she felt like she was bigger than the company.This is worse than Rushia not waiting out her discord yab and she rightfully gets shit on for that. Why do people defend Fubuki for not waiting things out like she should have?
>>29795739This cute tard..
>>29795739Aside from Watame and her short. Posting her short there too frequently causing her to loose the rarity buff.
>>29795639Well he's a fucking emo boomer
>>29795359https://hololive.jetri.co/#/statusJetri still works.
>>29795336>linearanon its clear that the function is not linear, the more they stream, the fewer new viewers they can get per minute of w/e, because of loss of interest, missing the start, going into dead hours, etc>but what type of function is that thendont ask me lol
>>29795639Well I mean they knew each other before Hololive so I understand where he's coming from but at the same time... come on man..
>>29795781He knows Mumei from her PL presumably, this is something even more retarded than leeching.
>>29795992>the fewer new viewers they can get per minute of w/e, because of loss of interest, missing the start, going into dead hours, etcThis is about VOD views, not VOD views during the live stream.
>>29795672Yeah, but why do they use the Myth girls anyway? Why not just use the usual heavy hitters from JP branch. If that attempt didnt have high expectations they might not consider the KR audience while the audience is indeed big, but for the JP girls instead.
>>29796002I thought it was his gf and not him? or did he also go in the same circles as mumei?
>>29795525Are you telling me that the one based thing i like about Coco is in reality because of Fubuki?
>>29795894Anon, I think you need to try making at least a few friends
daily reminder mori is better than marine because she has more subs, im not mentioning gura due pity
>>29796002And people stated mumei liked a comment about his song getting 500k views but I didn’t see shit
>>29795510The first big graduation will likely be the start of something.
>>29796100>Yeah, but why do they use the Myth girls anyway? Why not just use the usual heavy hitters from JP branchGlobal recognition anon that and no matter how much this thread denies it sponsor look at subs more than ccv
>>29796102Apparently she liked his tweets or someshit with her PL, i'm not sure what since i'm not interested in that sorta thing.
>>29795894Two years later, nijinigs and zhangs still can't understand the real importance of what she did
>>29795881Subscribers shouldn't even be a factor since you're only pulling CCV of 5-5.5k. 0.162 R^2 is insignificant by all metrics and sciences, if you cut the data down to a certain group and metric, of course it's going to get larger or smaller. Just by basic logic, if NijiJP has a value of 0.4, then theres a different metric with a R^2 of 0.05, you just didnt choose it. It's the sharpshooters fallacy. In my opinion, the only data that mattered was everyone compiled in total, which gave R^2 0.2974, which isn't correlatable by any listed metric. Even your widdled down data is barely notable for social sciences
>>29796110Fubuki and Coco are not friends. It was a pure ego play by Fubuki.
>>29795672Well they know it's real now. Problem is unlike Myth where they had Coco advocating for it, that same pressure doesn't exist in current Hololive right now. I can't see Kronii filling in for that role, and looking at Ina's own picks, I doubt whether or not she would even be able to tell what candidates would be good or not.Also the longer they stall, the less opportunity there will be. Again, the current situation is massively advantageous for COVER with both KR streamers in a rut and the algorithm behind their back. Waiting for too long to make a move might make them lose their momentum if the KR streaming market is able to adjust before COVER makes a move.
>>29796087the bulk of their total VOD views comes exactly from the live part, anyways theres no way of telling the behaviour of a late vod watcher, if thats what youre trying to say then i agree
>>29796131her rm/pl account supposedly did but i dont wanna dig through that stuff
>>29796155JP is in recession. HoloEN is bringing capital infusion with their USD while HoloJP is just laundering their domestic JPY.
Interestingly enough, Mumei only follows one non-Holostars male vtuber. Anyone want to take any guesses? Don't guess if you already know.
Yet another Faumei collab today?
>another Coco timeloopjust don't
>>29795452I thought that was a general chuuba thing, did Niji have something specific from their end?
>>29796238Seems that way, both have an undetermined time on their schedule for Minecraft.
>>29795781hinting that they know each other as RM when they are not even in the same company is the dumbest move ever done and it's worse because it wasn't even a response to a tweet, he directly @ her without any previous interaction.
>>29796189I think Kiara is actually trying to push for it, but she does not really have that much influence to make it happen.
>>29795525the soul of hololive. fubuking, i'll support you forever.
>>29796100>>29796155The vtuber clipping scene really took off around the time HoloEN became a thing, so marketing focusing around that branch specifically was a good strategy.
>>29795802I got lazy kek
>>29795672There's no "attempt to gauge" going on, the Cafe chain approached Cover, not the other way around. It just happened to perfectly coincide with an upcoming con where Kiara/Bae are guests as well.>>29796100Because the Koreans they attracted prefer the EN girls.
>>29796155EN means nothing, i don't say this, the japs do
Jezas, take a look at how many views this marine-exclusive jp clipper gets per videohttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH2IFrGEonEL7tkWKTxZz7g/videos
>>29795881>>29796184>Just by basic logic, if NijiJP has a value of 0.4, then theres a different metric with a R^2 of 0.05,Here, controlling on the other direction, only streamers not from Anycolor not from Cover.>0.4>Subscribers shouldn't even be a factor since you're only pulling CCV of 5-5.5k. There is absolute no correlation between number of subscribers and hitting a certain CCV threshold. In the list provided there are streamers ranging from low tens of thousands to high hundreds of thousads subs
>>29796299yeah miko fubuki and even pekora clips really boosted them back then but gura just literally skyrocketed that scene like theres no tomorrow
>>29795811likely 3, just like the ID branch.might expand later if they're successful.could also start with 4 like StarsEN if they get enough candidates.
>>29796267Judging by me me me, she will be the one to announce HoloKR in Korea, screenshot this
>>29795945>choco sensei
>>29795894>>29796186
>>29796229Tamaki Mysta?
>>29796329in jp yeah they might be right but outside jp thats a different story
Why the fuck are all the holo girls changing their descriptions? Mumei and Bae removed the lore from theirs, it's only Kronii and Fauna who still has theirs left
>>29796394>screenshot thisCan't be arsed, have another image instead
>>29796100Myth is insanely popular in Korea due to clipfags, Kronii, and people who like Gura's singing.
>>29796349This faggot is eating well, that's for sure
>>29796449i told them to
>>29795945how convenient marine has the least deleted in gen 3
>>29796428Close. Shoe
>>29796359It's because learning English is a standard part of the Korean education curriculum. Basically it's the EN Myth effect but to a much smaller scale, in that people are much more predisposed to watching streams in their own language. Same reason why Kobo took off so well.
>>29796449this guy >>29796478 told them to change it
>>29795945choco...
>>29795894Dogfuckers?
>>29796478Thank you.
>HoloEN fags stick stuck in their 2020-2021 peak delusion
>>29795639He was just trying to give her a boost. Her numbers haven't exactly been stellar lately and Ren is at the top of the game. Her fans should be thankful.
>>29795881Just hopping in here but I have no idea what this entire convo is. It's obvious that given all other factors held constant, a longer stream will have more VOD views just because you'll have more people who have the chance to see it. You don't even need data for it, just a simple thought experiment tells you that if you extend any given stream by an extra hour, it will get more VOD views than if it hasn't been extended.The extent to which stream length affects Vod views is harder to calculate because there are so many factors you need to control for, I'm not confident you could make a real statistical analysis. Especially when you also need to adjust for how many people might choose to watch a VOD after the stream.I do agree with whoever said that sub count is probably a bigger contributor than stream length, but by how much who knows.
>>29796449Anti-Omega vs pro-Omega civil war
>>29796107Coco was the cause, but Fubuki kickstarted the disconnection movement once it became clear that an apology would not settle them down. The other talents were simply scared and looking for guidance regarding what to do.This move is also why there's the occasional rrat that pops up regarding Fubuki owning a big chunk of Cover stocks.
>>29796443>outside jp>looks at councilSana just graduated
>>29796100EN is very very very popular globally.
>>29796554Based
>>29796358You aren't "controlling" for anything anon. The question is "do views increase with the length of a vod". Company differences shouldnt influence it that much, and they don't really from your data. Yes, R2 changes if you cut people out of your equation.
>>29796561NTA but WTF are you even babbling about?
>>29796526i mean not much has changed since those timesnon of the gura killers panned out and they one that might have a shot at her is still far away
>>29796486I kinda feel bad for the "normal" folks like him and Ike who have to share the bad name of the NijiEN brand...
>>29796255it specifically started because nijisanji used an amongus translation mod without asking the author and he threw a bitch fit on twitter
Nanikore
>>29796329ok ken-sama
>>29796608That EN means nothing, inside and outside japan
>>29796449With Sana's graduation, Omega's lore doesn't work anymore and ultimately freeing Council from his grasps
>>29796642>without asking the authorThat sounds about right
>>29795796It was Kaida Haru
>>29796654>educate yourselfkekd
>>29796238>The two most basic white girls creating their own cliqueWhy do they not collab with like Kiara or IRyS or InaFeels like it's always these two with each other and maybe adding Gura or Kronii
>>29796414> Oh? You want to do ASMR on MY platform?
>>29796516Heh. An old bait I pulled off in /hlg/ on /jp/ around the same time /vt/ was created and Global turds fucked off from the board. I was bored and of course, no streams, so I made up a story about how to fuck your dog without killing her because you'll accidently crush her hips if you don't hold her legs up while you fuck her. Then I posted the bait on Global and it stuck. That was a good one.
>>29796654that finana image is by far the best piece of niji-related OC ever.
>>29795894Kys zhang and attack taiwan already you fucking pussies , i want to enlist and bayonet you fuckers live on stream
>>29796394>>29796267Does Kiara even have that much sway in the company? I thought she didn't have that much influence overall.
>>29796686I had no idea about that, what set the fanbase off about him?
>>29796654Nice.
>>29795945what the fuck did Luna lose?
>>29796329No, the emphatically do not say that
>>29796527That's so nice of him, maybe he should also save his own colleagues, starting with these livers
>>29796554>but Fubuki kickstarted the disconnection movementShe did the absolute right thing. When she did what she did segments of the chinese fanbase had a list of demands.>we made you and we can destroy you>do what we demand or we'll burn the house down with ourselves insideThere is only one correct response to that. Take the megaphone, address the self-hostage takers with>do a barrel rollthen turn 360 and walk awayWhich is what Cover did, and now they're massively bigger than they were in September 2020, having made all the different they had from their main competitor and surpassed them in all possible aspects, except fo course, number of streamers.
>>29796654stop posting in twitter /#/bros...
>>29796186Why are bugmen incapable of understanding what friendship is?
>>29796654
>>29796699Fauna tries to collab with IRyS but IRyS is a retard.
>>29796654come on man, like half of those are /here/ fags
>>29796449Omega is now the general manager of HolostarsEN and has no direct influence over the girls. I sincerely think this is true.
>>29796739>I thought she didn't have that much influence overall.I doubt it as i wrote earlier, but she is at least bringing it up to the ears of people who can do something about it. I'm pretty sure she even brought it up on her holotalk with Yagoo
>historical revisionism from nijiEN newfags
>>29796654Now this is what I call All Out War. I bet it was part of new Niji hazing. Force one of the new guys to @ a Holo.
>>29796770The entire EN branch lives in the illusion of being relevant thanks to the literal cheat code algorithm that gura has, it's all that remains
Inner... https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1554198278824009729?t=Rp2xGKQq2dkCwY_Nm_LNrQ&s=19
>>29796699My rrat is that they like streaming together so they do.
>>29796733In the kind of war we are talking about, if you actually get close enough to bayonet a chink something's gone terribly wrong
>>29796699It's literally a Fauna problem. She takes ANY open invitation but very very rarely initiates 1 on 1 collabs herself. Mumei asks. No one else does.
>>29796790>/#/i actually recognize some of those handles that are playing both sides and theyre from the nestI wonder if this was one of the juicy thing they were waiting for before releasing those vids
>>29796850And other hilarious jokes nijiniggers tell themselves
>>29796850graduate yourself
>>29796698>I'm warning you witch stay the fuck back!
>>29796843this is why you always, ALWAYS keep receipts when dealing with China.
>>29796843god I hate nijiniggers so much
>>29796654>Wolfy is confirmed to be in EN3THE FINAL YABTHE FINAL YABTHE FINAL YABTHE FINAL YAB
>>29796896> kari-chan kakkoi is not a meme btw
>>29796855Sweaty inner...
>>29796186>>29796796It's not even about friendship. You have to be a complete sociopath to ignore bad things happening to someone close by.
>>29796654>Those namesKek fucking rrats nest stoking the fires on both sides again and zark i know you are here you really should change that name man
>>29796620And even for current state of vtubing, if Kobo's influence in ID market is enough for her to take over Gura, still a win in hololive.
>>29796654When containment breaks before it's plugged, it's just the dumbest thing man.
>>29796654The tribalism feels unrecoverable at this point. All out war.
>>29796924There won't be an EN3. The market that HoloEN targets isn't valuable any more, as we could see with Tempus and their 40k debuts. Hololive has backed itself into a corner now. The US and Europe worthless and Nijisanji owns Asia.
>>29796358https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.472.2731&rep=rep1&type=pdfRacial brain size correlates in difference with 37 musculoskeletal variables at an R2 of 0.94. You have three times as much of a chance of convincing me that black people are inferior than time streamed = more vod views
>>29796988So, like bugmen driving over someone they hit because it's better for you if they die so you don't have to pay the medical bills?
>>29796924What is even the deal with her? The only thing i know is from /here/ and that is that she is a cringy furry that i recently learned is fucking an absolute retard.
>>29796844Well, we'll see. The clippers will keep up momentum in the meantime, but that can't last forever.
>>29796742https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/1442873/#1478673Its almost the same situation. fresh debut randomly tweeting @ bigger vtuber
>>29797011If the rrats are correct, Cover has less than a year left anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
>>29796699You’re thinking about this the wrong way. To me, it’s actually quite the opposite:“Why don’t Myth members like Kiara and Ina push for more collabs with Council?”I feel like putting the burden on Council here is weird because Ina and others like Ame have historically been awful at collabs and apart from some outliers (InaxAki, AmexRoboco, etc.) they almost NEVER collab, and if they do it’s often with Kiara in a timeslot she can be awake for. I mean really, we have Marine who’s been practically begging for a collab with Ina since the start, both whom know Japanese and both draw, yet Ina has yet to do a single collab together outside of UMISEA. In contrast, Mumei has explored both JP and ID collabs and just had an upcoming collab with both an ID and JP that got cancelled because of the Indonesian Government bullshit. To me, it’s way more Myth’s fault for being sociallt autistic than anything
>>29797076>Cover has less than a year left anywayI think i heard this last year and even the year before that, let's see if it comes true this time.
>>29797076Good things rrats are never correct
>>29795851kekbeats don't even watch Mori. Why would they watch others? They've been tempered in the fires of the box. Holofans are Mori antis after all.
>>29796887>>29796896The point is EN is nothing and would have been dead in the water if it wasn't because of gura.Instead of mentioning EN or myth just say guraAlso new gens will flop harder then gen2
>>29796607>You aren't "controlling" for anything anon.There are lots of things that impact the number of views which, if not controlled, will absolutely dominate the result. Here is one example:type of content. Noel has a myriad of videos with the same range of live audience (peak CCV, avg CCV) than these, but these are the ones that gather the most views.The smae goes for Fauna, Patra, Millie and others. Clearly ASMR, regardless of number of subs, CCV or duration, impacts the number of views in these videos and more than anything else.If you take a sample of videos and check vs. viewership without controlling for that, what you end up measuring is the correlation between whatever else you are trying to measure and the video being ASMR.And the opposite is also true, if what you are trying to measure has little correlation with ASMR, it will also show little correlation with the number of VOD views.That happens in research all the time, health research control for obesity and smoking because the two of them correlate with poor health.Your experiment and my experiment are flawed because they don't control for the strongest signals with respect to VOD views, mostly because neither of us gave it even a slightly less superficial look.And I don't think it would be worth it, your point is that Tempus VOD views being worse than ILUNA is not caused by the fact they're shorter and I agree.Tempus has fewer VOD views because they're shorter, because they have fewers subs, because they're from a new branch without sucessful "senpais" to funnel an established audience or generate interest and because Nijisanji has a bigger grip on the "boy vtuber" thing that the combined sum of the rest of the industry.
>>29796699Faumei collabs, and Fauna and Mumei in general are two of the best things about holoEN lately
>>29797146AND OTHER HILARIOUS JOKES NIJINIGGERS TELL THEMSELVES
>>29797015This shit again huh
>>29797020Pretty much
>>29797146neck yourself, fulgur. you need to move on. sana's gone. i know it hurts, but it'll get better, i promise.
>>29797076
>>29797146Is it already time for you to shit and piss yourself for a few hours?
>>29797146anon if you consider myth and council dead then that would mean nijien is in a worse predicament
>>29797015>>29797076you don't quite understand how this game is played do you?
>>29797041Her boyfriend in nijiwave 6
>>29797212vox had a 31k stream a few days ago and sonny got 35k. when was the last time gura got those numbers outside of a big off-collab?
>>29797146You have no idea how badly I want you to be serious with that shit and not some tired troll.
>>29797015>Holostars En that had no English predecessor, got shat on a day before debut and is part of the Stars branch which are a bunch of 3views and Roberu is less viewed than Hololive en therefore there won't be en3very smart anon
>>29797170Reminder that this is supposedly prime sea hours because of the shitposts and clearly not EU or ES hours even though its primetime there
>>29797251Tempus is more HoloEN than it is Holostars. Face it, HoloEN is reclining hard.
>>29797198
>>29797170EU hours are the worst
>>29796742Honestly not too sure who exactly it was in the end. Niji had had some kind of Tetris tournament the day before and Haru had been flamed and dislikebombed because he was blamed for technical issues that ruined the stream and then had the gall to win the thing. Then he made a tweet about how he should start watching Suisei and suddenly there were unicorns from one of the most broken horn fanbases all over his comments. But then again it was at the time when Suisei finally got noticed and found herself with 100k new subscribers and 7k new CCV overnight, so it could have been just newfags. And of course no reason it couldn't have been both falseflagging Nijifags and Cornyomi with Junkiddies and drama vultures to boot.
>>29797298It's like one of those onion headlines becoming true kek
>>29797241Those were also collabs anonHell the new wave got lower numbers than fucking stars
>>29796360No. I think for HoloKR, Cover should debut a pair. It's gonna sellSource: Ultra Instinct
>>2979724132k, 27 days ago. it would have taken you like 10 seconds to look up.
>>29797241Gura got 45k with WWE and 40k with Holocure iirc.
>>29797279>clearly not EU or ES hoursI have been here for a while, it's just this particular hour and forward where everything turn to shit and i get banned for trolling outside of /b/ if i makes nijiniggers seethe.
>>29795672Seems like a mistake in a post-Iluna world. Nijisanji owns Korea and the rest of Asia outside of Indonesia now. HoloKR would be 3views a week after debut.
>>29797298Mntal illness made real. I wonder how that man functions day to day.
>instead of debuting en3 cover does a solo debut>it's a blue haired bandit>debut comes>it's literally just gura making a funny accent
>>29797299buddy, it's 10:30 PM here, this is early burger hours
>>29797148Kuzuha's APEX streams get 500-900k views each, and he basically does them daily. Does that mean that APEX gets insane views? No, just for him. In example, Altare's ASMR actually got pretty bad views, if you excluded ASMR from the Tempus/Iluna argument, it would actually act in detriment to your argument
>>29797362So, less than Sonny who has a fraction of her subs?
https://twitter.com/_omocat/status/1554201446240772096Council merch seems to be doing well.
>>2979745810:30 is right in EU hours, yes
>>29797295Then why do they have their own separate channel and not apart of Hololive English, retard? They will never be Hololive, Omega.
/#/'s thoughts on the theory that there's a 5th Tempus?
>>29795811>>29796360>>29797336If they did re-open auditions people would be pretty willing to apply, knowing the current popularity of Hololive. That being said, they should vet the candidates extensively.
>>29797486Cover needs to stop doing this understocked artificial scarcity thing. They did it at AX too. It's easy to run out of stock when you only stock like 20 of each thing.
>People already using the marine clip as the counter to the hololive blocking collabs thing which turned the tide>unityfags now trying to use the ren mumei dramaman theyre really working overtime on this huh? and with that retarded aloe rrat getting mutated worse and worse by the minute i dont honestly know how things are gonna turn out
>>29797295Anon Tempus is in HoloSTARS not HoloLIVE are all nijiniggers this illiterate
>>29795894>My post challenging the Fubuki orthodoxy got warned for being a "troll post" while all the racists insulting China are untouchedWhat the fuck, just in this thread there's so many blatant troll posts lying about Nijisanji. Can't believe this hahaha.
>>29797512The manipulator...Do it, you coward. Get on voice.
>>29797148>>29797462>Tempus has fewer VOD views because they're shorter, because they have fewers subs, because they're from a new branchThis is unironically why they're doing relatively well, they are 4 boys (as opposed to 13 boys, and culturally, 26 nijien livers) and they only stream for a short amount of time. By all means, their streams should be more digestible and easy to watch since there aren't 3-4 people streaming at the same time as them
>>29797298How many sequels is this schizo going to write? Its like when people were joking about Halo back in the day "What, Halo 3? whens Halo 548 coming since they churn them out?"
>>29797495Nice deflection 3rd shift SEA tranny pagpag eater
>>29797486Outside of IRYS and Bae most of them are sold out outside of small sizes and 1 medium for Fauna. And then there's this shit which I'm pissed off about because why the fuck did this sell when the rest of the girls didn't>>29797524Pretty sure they actually stocked more of Council than they did Myth initially because Covid is pretty much over, which was a problem during Myth's release.
>>29797241>vox had a 31k stream a few days ago and sonny got 35k. when was the last time gura got those numbers outside of a big off-collab?Anon, excluding debuts, here is the number of 30k+ streamers per channel for the EN branches in 2022>13x: Gura>5x: Mysta, Calli>4x: Ame>3x: Vox>2x: Mumei>1x: Yugo, Sonny, Luca, Ina, Kiara, Kronii, Baelz, Fauna, Sana, MagniIT's not even a contest
>>29797524Pretty sure in this case it's omocat that decided how much stock they wanted, not Cover.
>>29797512There's no precedent for it and they left zero clues or silhouettes in the manga or teasers. I prefer the theory that Tempus is just another name for the entirety of Holostars EN and every new wave will just be new members of Tempus Guild.
>>29795442yeah the barriers are mostly>money>tech knowledgeshit on ame all you want but she is in the middle of dunning-kruger curve which means she's willing to try despite the scuffs. I don't think many other people (well maybe kson) have both of the requirements.
>>29797524I agree but for this particular case its on omocat anon
>>29797524Pretty sure that is a JP strategy, not Cover. Reminder that those guys love to do limited run craps for even themed soaps of anything just to drive demand.
It was probably brought up earlier already but incase it hasAxels cover has passed his debut stream in views and hit 300k
>>29797606i love numbers
>>29796842Wish I could be as positive as (You), anon.
>>29797616>There's no precedent for it and they left zero clues or silhouettes in the manga or teaserswasnt there some clue in the manga where that orange guy said something along the lines of i remember you here or something?This might be omega redebuting
>>29797661Nice, still haven't heard it though. Same with Blue Sugar High.
>>29795442>How hard would it be for someone to set something similar up in IndonesiaNot at all but with the mature comercial relationship that Japan has with Indonesia and the "short" flight time (under 8 hours either from Japan or from Australia to Jakarta) they would be better off simply opening a studio there.
Why is this thread more bad than usually. It just seems like bait without propose. We all know EN3 is going to happen next year. This year the en branch got tempus and their going to let them have the spotlight for a while. Plus people comparing en to japan are dumb their are two different types of branch's in en their looking for talented entertainers and japan their looking for idols. En branch does it jobs well they an multiple talent entertainers while the jp girls are idols. There an difference so comparing en and japan are pointless..
>>29797468that's you take? you asked how long since she had numbers in the region of 31-35k. If you want to be taken seriously stop moving the goal posts every time your provided data.
>>29797719kys
>>29797706I listened to a bit of it and I thought it was OK I guess, I'm certainly not the target audience though
>>29797719>EN3 happen next yearI still think its gonna be october or november
>>29797319which is exactly why pretending to be a nijifag is no longer "sarcastic".
>>29797706Axels cover is solid, and Ren Zottos song is.. okay but its clearly aimed at like a teenage girl audience at least thats the vibe it gives me.
>>29797600Shut up Europoor
>>29797755Which one? Regis or Ren? I've been listening to the Iluna debut song a lot, aside from Kyo and Aia its actually really catchy
>>29797603I remember Bae got a lot more paypig than the rest of Council outside of maybe Kronii. But her merch is doing worst than all of them (sana doesn't count because of graduation)
>>29797603>Pretty sure they actually stocked more of Council than they did Myth initially because Covid is pretty much over, which was a problem during Myth's release.https://twitter.com/_omocat/status/1466899013806936067also proof
holy shit en3 just flew over my house
>>29797527Wait did that aloe rrat come from this place too? because my god its fucking unrecognizable at this point
>>29797719>We all know EN3 is going to happen next year.>>29797765>I still think its gonna be october or novemberThey'll be dead in the water. Cover already missed their window. Iluna drained all of the hype from a potential EN3. They'll be lucky to get 30k debuts at this rate.
>>29797719Hololive English is still a relatively new branch so why would they wait until next year for EN3? They aren't retarded, they clearly know the demand is high for more girls and they also see competition releasing waves, so it literally makes no sense for Cover to delay EN3 especially considering that auditions have been permanently open for a long time now.
kek, one good thing about this whole conversation about VOD Views is that now I can scrape the whole history fo VOD views of a channel, having finally put the booze down for a little and coded a straightforward scraper(streams only for a while, no songs or premieres)
why does every chuuba fail to cover CH4NGE better than the MALE who wrote it?
>>29797813Probably Ren, people here are less likely to like zoomer shit.
>>29797871>they clearly know the demand is highproof next thread?
>>29797719>NijiJP ties (or loses if you don't count literal YouTube view counter bugs) Koshien month>New NijiEN wave is a clown fiesta>EN Homostars outperform everyone's expectationsWow I wonder what could possibly have inspired a bunch of retarded bait posting about hololive
>>29797527>aloe rratnew rrat or the old one?
>>29797853the same hype that carried them from being 90k streamers to 2k ones? cause if thats the case thats some shitty hype from nijisanji
if sana re debuted in EN3 with a white model, would /vt/ implode?
I know you guys are bored but why can't you make the shitposters work for their (you)s?
>>29797316If it was 2019 or early 2020, it's almost 100% nijifags.They were falseflagging as every single one of their smaller competitors and shitposting for fun, including Hololive, Holostars etc. because they were bored of being at the top.Funny how that turned out.
>>29797811Give me the receipt of your ambulance after you neck yourself, I'll pay for it.
>>29797616I just find the number of Tempus members a bit weirdCould they really not find a 5th suitable candidate out of however many applications
>>29797468I mean, making bait is the usual norm but at least keep to the original metric, talk about CCV, keep at it. Dont use that whataboutism loser mentality of bringing something else in when the point is disproven.
JULY VIEW/TIME RANKINGS See the picture for the numbers. Just look at the big table on top for the quickest results; or the one on the bottom for individual ranks..>If you want a quick summary, there is a lot of fluctuation in the categories this month, but I would say that most categories are experiencing a temporary “growth” due to big events and new debuts. The biggest variations are just due to special events happening now or on the previous month. Since it is summer vacations in jp for august, they should see more big numbers next month, and then fall on september. >reminder that there has been some new youtube fuckery with the ccv numbers after this Chritmas (and even after the supposed ”fix” of jan 10th - the problem persists as stated by teamyoutube themselves), however, taking a look at the vod views, the vod views still seem stable and not too messed up.>I’m using the metric (vod) views/time because it seems to be the best metric we can use for comparisons.>There’s no way to calculate direct hours watched without having access to data analytics from inside each channel owner or bullshitting it; simply counting total views doesn’t take into account how much did they stream to get there (and they usually count small skits and music videos as well); and live viewers (on youtube) are very buggy and cut off a significant portion of that real number (for example, comparison between Miko’s twitch and youtube minecraft streams seem to indicate that 35% of her yt live viewers numbers are hidden [read the OP or the whole thread >>2253454 for anons discussion on the possible reasons for it) (not to mention that twitch max live viewers are constantly influenced by twitch raids coming from other channels). Or see this <span class="deadlink">>>17329929 for mori-mousey split pov numbers.</span>>Reading and trying to compare all those ratios for each hour length would have been a pain, so that’s why I’ve already made the ranking tables, with ranks for inside each time length.>The longer the stream time, the fewer vtubers that had any videos available to calculate.>Never compare general view/time ratios of streamers who have very different stream duration averages - that’s why I just don`t rank those anymore, since people are too dumb.>Only compare data (or ranks) from the same time length.>For combining those ranges from each time length, i inverted each position into a fraction (position/total), calculated the average of all available time-length fractions for each streamer, and then compared those resulting numbers: the smaller your fraction is, it means the higher yours positions were, so you rank higher.>You can see a practical example (from may) here: >>4423534.>Video types like short skits, short amvs/covers/original songs, watchalongs, members-only, sc-only, or deleted were not included for the calculations.>Videos analyzed for 'this month' are from the time period of 30-06-22 to 31-07-22 (~11pm jst).>You can see the biggest individual growth fluctuations with those vtubers who had some huge special stream (like 3ds, costumes, returns, tournaments).>They can be big rises if the special vids happened on this month; or big falls if the special vids occurred on last month.>On those cases you can see % change of one specific time length way superior than the rest for that vtuber.>Collecting all this data was a whole lot of work, so no promises that I’ll be doing this again, or as big of a list. And im getting tired of adding all the new debuting midgets. >I don’t think I missed anyone too big, I left out the smaller nijisanjis, or holostars or whoever else because I don’t have the time to include them all - but I did include a few smaller ones just out of curiosity.>Expect the list of checked vtubers to be cut by a good number on the next month.>And no "now im suddenly a vtuber" trendhoppers were included either. >If you think I left out someone relevant you can try convincing me to do their numbers as well, although if they are too small I’ll just tell you to fuck off. Or you can just calculate it yourself and post it here, not too hard. >I didnt proofread this, if something mentions september is because i forgot to update the text or pic. >i think on last thread someone asked if i would update those names. Definitely not for this month version, as it will likely mess with some formulas. Give me a full list of those names youd like changed and ill see what i can do for next time. Short lists will be ignored. >do not repost cutouts of this without the full source.>i will reply to myself with that top vtubers history pic
>>29795945No wonder Aqua quit streaming.
>>29797719Next year is way too long between waves even for Cover. It'll be October.
>>29797987>zatsudan/sc>1.2k
>>29797987selen and elira have inclined a lot lately. aster is getting good superchat reading numbers too.
>>29797984me again, and here's the vtubers ranks history, updated. This one is not supposed to be perfect especially for the past years having worse sources, but it gives a good indication I guess. As usual the 0h and 1h were filled with events and special streams. I almost forgot to add all the debutting midgets, so i just collected their positions and added them with a (parenthesis), since i didnt want to re-order all the rest, and their positions could repeat. The new debuts have high position as usual, expect them to fall in ranks next month. About salome, seems she’s hiding some poor performing vods from her ccv medians, by doing them as premieres instead of streams, but it is still gameplay, so they were included. As things of interest:- kobo had her best position ever- mayuzumi had her best position in years- vo ine had her best position ever- helesta had her best position in a year- sana had her best position in a year- sasaki had her best position in a year- shoto had his best position ever- maimoto had her best position in a year- matsuri had her best position in a year
>>29797987I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY THESE RETARDS DON'T JUST PUT [ZATSUDAN]DON'T MENTION SC READINGS YOU FUCKING RETARD. HOLOS DO THIS SHIT TOO AND IT'S LIKE ????????????? YOU'RE LITERALLY SCARING PEOPLE AWAY
>>29797984literally unreadable
>>29797987yeah, iLuna didn't do as well as expected
>>29797965Well we did see what NijiEN managed to scrape up
>>29797965I think there were plenty of talented, good choices in the pool, but management really wants to get a stranglehold on the fujoshi/14 year old girl market. Even in the nijien general they talk about Iluna as "NijisanjiEN season 2" since very few of them knew about any wave other than Luxiem/Noctyx
>>29797719>There an difference so comparing en and japan are pointlessif it's pointless then why keep bringing muh subs
>>29797248assume he's serious, nijifags behave like this outside of /here/ as well.
>>29797965ID has smaller gens, JP stars previously had smaller gens, CN had smaller gens. It's how Cover operate when they're not sure how much of an audience there is.
>>29797987damn..
>>29797987So Iluna is just a sacrifice to incline earlier members?
ah fuck the fucking cope chart dude is still alive
Sad thing is he'll probably end up being #3 of the group.
How many NijiENs managed to cross the Fauna line in July?
>>29797524Oh that's a rarely mentioned nijicope, good one> #25 Holo merch is underproduced to create artificial scarcity (>>>/jp/32410399 <span class="deadlink">>>5902529 >>15489004 >>16388154)</span>
RIZOTTO PLEASE SAVE HANA
>>29797719God i fucking hope it's in october, next year is too long
>>29798041Seriously. If you're going to do a pure zatsu for the first portion, just leave off the SC reading part. it's fucking implied. they don't go around saying [STRAY + SC READING] or [MINECRAFT + SC READING]
>>29796349I watch those clips myself, the clipper selects/compiles clips pretty well
>>29797984>>29798038My favorite chart of the month! Thanks anon.
>>29797912old one mutated to the point of no returnsomething about aloe getting harrased by nijisanji fans hiring professional stalkers and another variant which said rapitsts and another which said that they used aloe as a scapegoat for mitos stalker which why old hololive fans are hesitant to collab with nijisanjifucking hell gonna try to log in and screeshoot the one from a terraria forum but damn this twitter drama thing really spread this rrat around
>>29798038I'll be honest I never read your text but I appreciate that picture alone. Thanks anon
>>29797965Anon, look at every Holostars gen. 5, 3, 3, 4. 4 was their safe bet between 5 and 3 members. Although I do think talent had a bit to do with it, remember those auditions took a long ass time and they had to post the announcement multiple times. it's funny, looking back I was so scared they were going to be disgusting attentionwhore assholes like Mysta and Vox that would ruin Hololive but they ended up being normal dudes that I ended up loving more than HoloEN. Funny how shit works out
>>29798152Why do you want another wave that has a 100% chance of being weaker than council?
cope chart anon stop replying to yourself
>>29798148Holy shit, Hana Macchia, what the fuck. Was that always her average views? I remember watching her way back when, I don't remember seeing her that low but I probably wasn't paying attention
>>29798222Because I want to see some proper nijiseethe
>>29798181> aloe getting harrased by nijisanji fanswell that part is correct at least
>>29798145Just Luca and Mysta I think.
>>29797719Newfag Quest #1: Try to find the "hide post" button.Newfag Quest #2: Hide 10 shitposts.
what do people have against Fubuki again?
>>29798237She did this to herself.
>>29797987Is it just me or are low tier Nijis inclining? They used to get 1-2k now they're getting like 2-3k. It's interesting to see.
>>29798253>Representing the Japanese Community>Japanese Community
niji opinion:>Regisgay faggot korean>MagniReddit loser with astroturfed fans, weirdly menhara on stream>Axelbotched luca knockoff, weird freak lisp>Noirbest pick up of either Tempus or Iluna, I hope hololive allows him to be himself, and I hope he gets to the top of the subscribers list so they encourage holostars to hire more people like him
>>29798324200 views with a big corpo split seems like it may be below the threshold for a decent living, although I guess she is in Indonesia so maybe that's not a big deal
>release new waves to pump tourists into looking at nijiEN>the new waves are so shit they just funnel to better established memberssasuga riku
>>29797316>CornyomiKek
>>2979833250% increase in a very short timespan while HoloEN is stagnating or even reclining. I wonder what changed.
>>29798237I think for a brief moment she was unironically the biggest english-language vtuber, or at least closeI have never seen someone shoot themselves in the foot harder
>>29798332Basically this>>29798128It's the same for NijiJP excluding Salome.
>>29798340What's your opinion of Iluna?
>>29796483She put in a fair amount of effort to bring as much back as possible. The only things not up are those in permissions oblivion or are inappropriate to revive (Nobuhime collab for example).
>>29798253yeah but its mutating and getting passed around at an alarming rate
>>29798222All of Council has atleast a 7-8k avg right now whereas 3/5 of myth is 6k avg, so why are you using Council as a metric? Even for debut numbers Council destroyed Myth. Myth is the one clearly reclining here and Council only going up.
>>29798038Any chart that has Aqua ahead of Miko in a month Aqua had LITERALLY a single stream>pic relatedis not just dumb.The chart is dumb, the person who posted it is dumb, everybody that clicked the thumbnail is dumb, their ancestors are dumb and if they manage to reproduce, every single one of their descendants up until the tenth generation will be born cursed and dumbPlease don't waste your time doing this retarded table again and, if you are going to do, please stop tackling the first half, which was based on their average CCV, with your second half, based on whatever retarded cope metric you invented.
>>29798332>selen and elira, two of the strongesttry petra and reimu
>>29798038I don't understand why you waste so much time on this utterly worthless ranking every month
>>29798367I will once again remind you that both HoloEN gens (&IRyS...) have their best viewership in a year right now
>>29797709I'd think so too, but I'm not confident in the Japanese govt ending their sakoku larp in a reasonable timeframe.
>>29798415Work Smart, Not Hard
>>29794745+1 social credit
Aye, shitposting aside, I just think of something to argue/discuss about. Which holoEN member most likely has the majority of EU audience? For starter, Mumei seems deadass unlikely due to her EU chatting having crap number.
>>29798436OK you got me there I think Petra only barely hit 1k yesterday. Reimu, has she even streamed recently?
>>29797984>do not repost cutouts of this without the full source.what are you going to do about it?
>>29798443Why do you think it's worthless?
>>29798332avg CCV January - July Selen 2,177 > 2,271 > 2,796 > 2,784 > 3,240 > 3,203 > 3,274Elira 1,628 > 1,636 > 1,799 > 2,154 > 2,624 > 2,781 > 2,579
>>29798415don't bother, december 2021 alone is enough to make that chart fucking worthless, but he keeps doing it
>>29798478I've heard before that it's Ina
>>29798415shamuh on your ancestorus!
>>29797984>>29798038keep it up anon, i love reading the responses to your charts every month
>>29798478No point, anyone who doesn't stream regularly at the time that EU will catch them will never have a big EU audience even if they one day decide to do it.
Will Cover even be able to find anyone good for EN3? Nijisanji already has the vast majority of good EN talent. They'll never get someone as creative as Pomu, as good at games as Selen or a natural singer like Enna.
>>29798533wanna guess which month raids were addedno prizes for guessing
>>29798568Stop spamming this shit
>>29798403As long as the starting point is preserved, it's fine imo. Retards will get shit on for bringing the mutated versions outside of their circles anyway.
>>29798393>Renvery dangerosu, probably going to try to groom maria>Scarlethought she was mommy dommy, but shes a retarded fujoshi who regresses into a baby when shes stressed. You could probably pressure her into sucking your dick if you threatened her a little>Asterannoying faggot with a lisp>Mariavery cute and retarded, kinda like rosemi. I like her a lot>KyoSuprisingly entertaining and funny. I probably watch him the most out of Iluna>AiaI thought she would be a neoliberal who wouldnt shut up about gender politics, but shes pretty relaxed. I think someone from nijien talked to her about being political on stream, probably nina since she was hyper political liberal before niji, but makes an effort to never mention politics on stream since its not really relevant to entertainment
>>29798568never watching your ESLs btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i_nc5GGIsI>4.3M in 1 weekdidnt Laplus get 5M the first week?
>>29798568how many times do you post this on each thread? are you a bot?
>>29798567Well yeah, but the discussion is just for this period of time or moment, not a what-if scenario that someone will start streaming a lot at EU hours and start inclining.
>>29798631thats the thingthe mutated ones are the ones normies are eating up and someone posting the marine singing clip only made it worse
>>29798653They have two ESLs (Yugo and Millie) everyone else speaks english better than you
>>29798664Can just check that YT channel with weekly song views to know but 5m in a week seems super unlikely, not even Q or Reflect did that, iirc. Could be wrong though, just typing out of my ass based on obscure memory.
>>29798038>>29798415>>29798459>>29798537>>29798552Just to highlight how retarded that table is>pic relatedAt the left side of this pic has the FOURTH place in the table, the sole stream by Aqua this month, with its 323k viewsAt the right side, the THIRTEENTH place, Mayuzumi streams this month, the final four alone having more than 12M VOD viewsAnd this is a table BASED ON VOD VIEWS, for fuck sake. A table based on VOD views has a streamer with 12M views in the last 4 streams in 13th fucking placeAgain, everybody is dunb for having glanced at it.Good thing nobody reads it anyway and it is forgotten in less time than it takes for the thread to refresh
>>29798393I only know a few of them because i don't really care.>The latinx chickSeems disappointing but hot>Genderjuice>RenSeems like a retard that might be doing the Kson thing with merging chuubas and PL for some reason
>>29798181Wait ive seen that rrat in a indo vtuber group too and everyone was eating it up. Are you telling me its not real?
oh, it must be a zhang
>>29798764It's the ratiocope chart and always has been
>>29798393Scarle was a huge disappointment for me
>>29776175>>29776373I mean, Marine doesn't really do it anymore, either.it seems like most of the ones who used to do it have stopped.
All out war...
>>29798362Ah, so they're going for the New Coke approach.the next likeliest explanation for those debut -> 1 week post debut plummets is the dreaded B word that nijikeks seem suprisingly defensive about
>>29798415>>29798764literally frothing at the mouth lmao
>>29798844>responding to 7 hour old postsbro
>>29798764it's because it's a fucking ratiocope chart, it's literally tailor made for gura to win it, and she still fucking loses sometimes
>>29798877you can just say bots, it's not voldemort, you don't have to censor yourself
>>29798664This cover falls flat for me because it's too much of a vocal flex and not as much an actual good cover.
>>29798877>Ah, so they're going for the New Coke approach.That's not the "New Coke" approach. The "New Coke" approach was>wants to change coke formula to use corn syrup>release the "new coke", it sucks, people reject it>bring back "old coke", slightly changed with the sugar replaced by corn syrup. People take it because "at least it's not the New Coke"
>>29798664Her voice is so good
>>29798393I'm impressed by Niji's ability to grab tourist eyes. Those debut numbers are wild, but I'm also really surprised that it didn't really transition to big numbers on even their first post-debut streams. Were they not able to show schedules during the debuts(I didn't watch the streams, I only look at charts)?
>>29798772It's real but exaggerated.Also the harassers are largely unknown rather than confirmed nijiJP fans, though its most likely them based on the flaming over at JP twitter and message boards.
/MANS/ floated the idea of Tempus vs Uproar L4D2 Versus mode. Would be kino and could save Uproars numbers. If I'm YAGOO I'm expediting this stream ASAP.
>>29798971>Those debut numbers are wildnot really.
>>29797540Silly anon, racism only applies to humans
Can you predict max CCV from waiting room numbers
>>29798393Really impressed by the way they got 70-90k viewers on their debuts but pretty disappointed on how bad they managed to retain them. It feels like another Ibrahim warning coming true especially with the lackluster and impact they are having on their first streams
>>29798951No, it wasn't some machiavellian plot. The company just got spooked by Pepsi catching up in marketshare and some autists turned the public opinion against New Coke. Old and new coke taste almost the same to someone who doesn't drink 5000 cans a year.
>>29799031Just do a gratic phone. That shit will be greatThe only thibg we need to worry about is ollie
>>29799082not really, there's way too many factors to consider, but you can usually get a somewhat good idea of the range
>>29798971>I'm also really surprised that it didn't really transition to big numbers on even their first post-debut streams.How are you still surprised by this point? Nijisanji numbers have always had massive bleedoffs after big events, that's why everyone was saying why Salome's botted because her retention rate is completely unheard of even for holos, never mind nijis
so, what's the gold for today lads
>>29799042calm down, nijiEN is in HoloID territory, not HoloEN territory. that's an unfair comparison
>>29799031>EN homos want to save uproar>Omega won't budge with the collab bannu
>>29799031It would bump their subs maybe. But seriously, imagining EOPs to significantly boost JP-only Stars after some collab is going to end in heartbreak. I see so many fans of some tiny holostar floating around /mans/ thinking their oshi is finally gonna make it and I feel bad.
>>29799009yeah good luck to the niji defense force if that does exist cause from the looks of things its gonna be a mess trying to clean this up
>>29799182Koshien finals
>>29799082No. Well, sort of but not really anymore. Ever since Summer hit and school ended for some college kids and shit you're just taking wild guesses now. If Pekora had a 9-10k waiting room months back that would be like a 30-33k stream. Now it's like fucking 40-45k. Similarly, Gura with a 6-7k waiting room used to get like 16-17k earlier this year. Nowadays she's getting 22-25k.So technically, if you just upscale your guess then yea you might have a rough estimate of where it'll lead but there's just so many random cases now where even a small waiting room can lead to ridiculous numbers. Gura's MC from a few days ago had an original waiting room of like 6k before delays, and it ended up being 27-28k
>>29799167I was thinking of NijiJP's debuts. I remember Leos having huge numbers after he made waves during his debuts, not to mention Salome.
>>29799031Uproar needs Japanese fans not EOPs
>>29799182this
It sort of mystifies me that Niji JP and EN both keep having bigger and bigger debuts, yet almost all of them still faceplant to sub 2K viewers immediately afterwardsYou'd think after the 20th disappointment in a row people would stop tuning in
>>29799283Finals aren't until another couple weeks anon.
>>29798890It delivers the point better in writing than writing a polite rebuttal.I could summarize it with one word>ratiocopebut I had the time to prepare the pics.Any VOD based metric that doesn't have Mayuzumi at the top for the month of July 2022 is inherently flawed, he got over 20M views in the month.from the streams he broadcast in July alone
>>29799290Edengumi's bleedoff was even worse, Salome is the only example of a niji with huge debut numbers that continued to have those big debut numbers for a significant time after debut
>>29799353
If only NijiEN niggers would focus on cultivating their own culture and identity instead of seething about Hololive maybe they could hep their livers become something unique outside of being second choice and HoloEN's shadow.
>>29799351People love to bottleneck at car accidents though
>>29799351that's only Nijis though, Tempus still retains about a quarter of their debut numbers, unlike LLuna which seems to be struggling to hit 5%
Remember when people were saying that Iluna would be a group of 10-20k streamers?
>>29799351The most interesting part of any vtuber's career is their debut , first month establishing themselves, event streams and graduation. Everything inbetween is just lame gayming streams of the same games. The casual vtuber enjoyer would want to dedicate their time on lame gameplay and clips can give the best parts easily.
SHE'S NOT STOPPING
>>29799403It's more the "start of the seasons" effect, when professional sport clubs showcase their new hires in a HUGE even at their stadiums, with the supporters pumped up for what cannot be anything other than a victorious season>up until the fourth or fifth game, when they're 2W-1T-2L and at the bottom of the table
>Ina>5.6K waiting room>3 minutes to recover
>>29799492My guy, you gotta learn to discern jokes and shitposts from real opinions.
>>29799351spamming and hoping that something would stick is a tried and tested concept that worksonly problem is that anycolor doesnt seem to have any idea on how to retain those said tourists even though they are pretty good at attracting themthats why sultans words became a prophecy instead of a warning
>>29799523
>>29798393I like Maria, but I'm not investing any time in her knowing she has to interact with the rest of her gen and nijiEN.
>>29799523Holy shit, what the fuck?
>>29799569What prophecy?
>>29799082sometimes, but other times the audience uses other streams as waiting rooms, like marine to miko today, or pekora also does waiting room streams before events sometimes
>>297994926 gura killers
>>29799523JESAS
'ate nijiniggers
>>29799492hasn't even been 7 full days
>>29799613Ib said that Salome is doing great(this was during her strong week) but hopefully management capitalizes on it and she makes it huge but sadly...yeah...
>>29799351>peoplesee thats the problem here, anon. Im fairly certain they boost it with viewfarms, i just cant quite tell how much. But for example that scarle debut, when the lag became literally unbearable, 30k people left, while 50k apparently stood there staring at nothing
>>29799548nta but Im not joking or shitposting but I was actually one of those people who thought that they would be 10-20k streamers even in the first month since my thought was that since this new wave had both male and female livers then they must be really good for them to be confident in releasing a wave like that
We need a mainstream vtuber/content creator etc. to give a unbiased historical lesson about the vtubing boom because jesus christ this new wave of vtuber fans are just hopeless and need perspective so bad
>>29799523It happened with Kobo's milestone too, and Kizuna Ai's as well. These kinds of activity burst subs tend to have long legs, so to speak
Holy shit, Marine is absolutely on fire. vrabi has this nice visualization of "VOD views gained in the ongoing month" and Marine added 2M views today alone, way ahead of Holo main channel, with 1.8M, and Sana with 860k.Salome and Kuzuha follow, with 755k and 700k, which is impressive giving the diminute live audience Salome is getting.Maybe her audience got tired of staying awake till midnight and decided to just catch the VOD?
>>29799750Not even Luxiem or Myth are 10-20k streamers aside from Gura
>>29799031https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_vPiZuavn8Astel has the right of it though, holostars can't just become a leech on holostars en. they need to find a way to perform and in the best of world incline on their own, otherwise there's limited viability long term. Not saying it will work, but that's what they wiill have to do.
>>29799665Nijiniggers and making posts that age like milk, name a more iconic combo
>>29799371Any CCV based metric that has Kaela near the top is inherently flawed also but people still post that shit all the time, atleast he only posts this once a month
>>29799781That's impossible. For all the storage capacity in existence our current civilization is EXPERT in destroying their own historical artifacts.There will be a lot of second hand accounts, hearsay, clips and whatnot but a HUGE part of the last 10 years of internet history were destroyed forever, and anything before 2014 might as well never have existed.
>>29799569It only fucking works if you actually get people who have even a modicum of talent.>B-but Ren can sing And is shit literally everywhere else
>>29798710which normies anon? if they're isolated circles or discords those aren't exactly the main fanbase.I don't see anyone on reddit for example peddling these rrats and getting upboats.
>>29799820How does gura get 700k views without streaming
>>29799523that sex video was too powerful
>>29796349Damn almost 400k. Yt creators in shambles.
>>29799646Why people assuming ENs are 10 Moris or 10 Kiaras?
>>29799820a good 600k of them is from her new song, and there's also a good 200k from her new short
Salami is just fucking weird. These niggers had an entire month to do something with her and they squandered her. Did they seriously have nothing planned when people had their eyes on her precisely because she was a weird meme milestone debut?
>>29799929The amount you stream literally doesn't matter. It's why hours watched is worthless when looking at popularity.
>>29799929algo sorcery
>>29799929Duolingo owl will make sure you do your language and VOD reps anon
>>29799523She will take Mori's place the 2nd most subscribed holo
>>29799889>Any CCV based metric that has Kaela near the top is inherently flawed alsoBut "hours watched" is not CCV based, it is a product of the average CCV by the hours streamed.That makes it obvious that Koyori and Kaela will be at the top. It is a silly metric but it is internally consistent, the more hours you put, or the higher your average the bigger your number will be.That retarded table? The fewer streams you put and the shorter they are, the higher in the table you'll be regardless of your actual VOD.I guarentee that a streamer could be at the top of that table with a 20 seconds VOD with 20k views being his only stream that month
>>29799851In the first month anon with their debut buffs I was expecting them to hold that much at least especially when and this is the most important part nijisanji was confident enough to release them in a mix wave
>>29799523GURA WATCH OUT
>>29799929Have you checked her Duolingo stream lately? stupid fucking thing went from 2m to 2.6m now
>>29799994Niji scouting and management is in the dumpThey have this system that had some success when it was JP only, but they are now slowly losing steam after international viewers became a thingWorst part is, they can barely retain any viewers outside of events even on the JP side these days
>>29799994do what?cant give her another outfit or 3d or people will scream favoritismcant have her collab becasue she herself is commiting to her keyfabeshe is a one trick pony
>>29799523Will a hag finally defeat the loli reign of terror that is Gura?
>>29799852this menhera seaweed is surprisingly reasonable
>>29799929spamming streams is useless sure you might get small inclines here and there but that wont mean shit in the long run if the general audience thinks you are boring or not interesting
>>29799999quints confirm
>>29800117Would collabing with Mito have helped ease her in? It seems that the main thing that gets cited as to why collabs wouldn't work is because the other party would be called a leech. But Mito should have enough clout to squash stuff like that.
>>29799523Coomers won...
>>29799999but amouranth...
>>29800291Mito has been missing anon...
Ina 10kthis doesn't bode well for Fauna's numbers later
Not even a Z could save this cyute star...(I know it's a zatsu + SC reading, but still)
>>29799852>>29800202>this menhera seaweed is surprisingly reasonableHe's smart and very business savvy. But he's emotional as fuck and if that helps him a lot in his very good karaoke performances, that hinders him a lot because he has to take constant "unofficial" mental health breaks and that kills his momentum
>>29799999Checked
>>29799994Salome was meant for a fun event after reaching 1m subs on their main channel ngl. They didn't expect the blow up and squandered their lightning in the bottle moment. It's too late to use her to prop the JP branch because her numbers are now trash and the other nijis might not enjoy the whole "Only collabing now because your numbers are falling angle". It's too late to rescue salome but hopefully niji management can learn from this.
>>29800347>Ina >Streaming longer than 2 hours I'll be shocked if she even hits 2 hours with this game
Was this chart for the full month already posted?
>>29800347she will be fine
im happy for maririn getting her 2M subs. And ill also be happy when pegora gets hers too. Sorry i didnt want to falseflag as an angry nousagi, sisters
>>29800485Not yet, only the per channel.Median of Peak CCV>>29729405 :: Top 50>>29732525 :: 1k plus>>29734193 :: complete>>29735091 :: kaigaiTrue average of CCV>>29738677 :: Top 50>>29738842 :: complete>>29739223 :: kaigaiPic related, true average, kaigai
>>29800347Ina owns this timeslot. She could be talking about the huge dump she took yesterday and get 10k
Have the holoEN girls learned how to raid yet
>>29800570roru
>>29800296So why won't Pekora go full coomer? It's not like she's against it, we've all seen her old videos.
>>29799523bunny?
>>29800332I know but I'm talking hypotheticals here. Shit, it doesn't have to be Mito, just someone who's respected by majority of the fanbase like Kanae, Mayu, Chinman, etc.
>>29800485unbraided mean no peko right?
>>29799820how do you get to this?
>>29800570rumao
>>29797828The IRyS/Bae merch not selling is a stupid narrative and I'm tired of it. Their T-shirts are selling fine. The problem with the other item is that IRyS and Bae are the ones who got the track jackets. Those track jackets are not only the most expensive items in the catalog, but also the most niche (seriously, a track jacket?). If they had hoodies like Mumei and Kronii those would have easily sold out too.The proof is me. IRyS is my oshi and even I couldn't justify spending 85 dollars on a track jacket that I will probably rarely wear. If IRyS had a hoodie I would have bought that up in a second. So I just got IRyS' T-shirt, stand, keychain, and lanyard.
>>29800644yes
imagine...
>>29800181anon even now Gura still has twice her subs and is still getting 20k a week
>>29800347fauna sub-5k
>>29800570Only Fauna aka the smartest and the only one who care about their number.
I will never understand this
>>29800684>pre-debut
>>29800650https://vrabi.net/subscribers click 再生数 (月初比)
>>29799920nta but its still pretty isolated in fb groups and other forums but seeing as how the earliest post about it was 2 - 3 hours ago and it was in some sea vtuber group which somehow spread to other forums and vtuber groups. Im more concerned of it fermenting outside leddit than it coming to there since we can correct the rrat
>>29800717takos click on the stream and instantly fall asleep, unable to leave, causing ina's eldritch retention
>>29800684nijileeches...
>>29800684I will actually fucking murder him
>>29800684do they beg for these collabs in hopes that it would somehow open path for themselves to snatch a collab too?
>>29800570>muh raids
>>29799031Speaking of Uproar, I don’t know if anyone’s noticed but they seem to be genuinely trying to learn English to help expand upon their international audience. I don’t even know if leeching is even the exact thing happening here since interest was shown during debut. But from what I’ve seen, they’re constantly trying to talk in English now, they show up in Tempus’ chats, they have English teachers now to teach them the language. I mean, they genuinely failed their debut so it’s good I guess that they’re trying something
>>29800728thanks, i'm blind
>>29800684Holobeggar
>>29800684He does know that there are a number of pinoy haatons that would hunt him down and put him the drug war casualty list if he does that right?
>>29800684Oddly enough Haachama would be the one Holo I would be ok with seeing this happen with. She is enough of a completely unhinged content machine that it would probably be kino and she would probably drive Mysta more insane than he already is.
>>29800684just the thought of this makes me hyperventilate and seethe like never before, whoever that nigger is, he deserves to be executed also haachama probably doesn't even know homostars EN exist yet, you think she'd know about these niggers? the absolute fucking state
>>29799852Ultimately all exposure is "leeching". Someone with a larger audience plugs you, a big platform features you, hell even when a random video gets spread within a small circle of friends it's "leeching" off the social bonds formed by the individuals. People aren't gonna magically find content that isn't shilled to hell and back by someone or something, it will rot in obscurity and die.That said he's right about not seeking attention through starsEN specifically, because their audience already knows about starsJP.
>>29800717I have an easy explanation based on observing Zotto chat>no stomach to observe Vox, but should be the sameThese guys have a HUGE segment of the equivalent of N999 but, instead of for Japanese, for English.So the first few minutes of the chat is a cacophony of>what is he doing today>is he playing a game>is it horror(the title of the stream was literally "Metroid Dread" btw)>is it a game or talking>oh, it's a game>what is Metroid Dreadand the absolute minute after the gameplay starts they'll BOLT.>it's a game>here is my superchat, "Vox, blow me a kiss and say Chang Zhang Bang">see you tomorrowand they stampede away from the stream
>>29800802No, these are the kinds of vtweeters who jumped on the bandwagon and will never debut
>>29800684>Pre debutinto the trash
>>29800803Wow Selen is a 10k streamer now what an incline
> 15 min block for "Racism"> No banbugs confirmed subhuman. I can't believe there's unironic chink jannies on this board now
>>29800663Actually a good point. The IRyS track jacket is really nice too (as is the Bae one) but you are right, they are freaking track jackets. A Hoodie would have been much better.
>>29800717That's genuinely the least aggressive decline I've seen in a nijiEN graph.
>>29800717The power of twitter topic
>>29800816Does learning English actually expand their audience?
>>29800711>fauna>numbershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tem4kHcM1s
>>29800886It's so weird seeing this kinda devotion to a chuuba they don't even understand
>>29800816Fuma did say in one of his first zatsus the recurrent holostar line of "You don't need to learn japanese, I'll learn english" but honestly speaking the stars already have their JP fans and I don't know if having EOP will help them in any way. Hell Izuru can understand english but doesn't want it in his chat because he has to translate in his mind and it distracts him.
>>29800886when you`re a fat and old auntie you really have nothing better to do huh
>>29800917The only thing 10k about Selen is the amount of calories she consumes on a daily basis
>>29800963It's not even the decline itself that is weird. It's the fact that they hit their peaks immediately and then just decline from there. While virtually all Holo graphs see a steady incline for the entire stream.
>>29799820>Fucking KoboIs her vod that powerful
>>29800717yeah, it's so strange that holo graphs keep climbing. like, where do these magic viewers come from?
>>29800999In general, the answer would be no but uproar is dangerously approaching two digits (with Uyu being under 300 CCV in his median) so, yeah, even if 30 kaigai chicks appreciate the effort and turn into a regular part of the audience, that's a 10% increase
>>29800920It's only about this time he seem to be awake if that is any consolation
>>29800684haachama collabing with an EN male is literally in the realm of impossibilities, a jp male? a big fat maybe depending on the collab but an En one? she would never also what the fuck are those abnormally high interactions, fucking hell 30k likes?
>>29801068kek
>>29801068Thats still an incline thoughI cant say the same for polka since shes losing weight
>>29801072>they hit their peaks immediately and then just decline from thereI know and usually the decline is much sharper, it's actually impressive for Vox.
>>29801013She try to avoid overlap, that to me to more care about number than the rest of EN.
>>29801149Damn... Polka mogu mogged by Selen...
>>29799999checkd
>>29801068roru roru
>>29801089Luxiem can tweet about the most disgusting shit you have read and still get 10k it doesn't surprise me anymore.
>>29801026>It's so weird seeing this kinda devotion to a chuuba they don't even understandHaatontachi.... ;-(Thanks to Haachama tho I did my reps tho, starting in 2020 and if I applied a little harder I could go for N4 for sure or N3 with 50% change of succeeding.But for the first few months watching Haachama (still Haato back then) was more a matter of feeling her than understanding what she was sayingI guarantee there is a HUGE share of HoloJP audience that started exactly like that so I wouldn't discount that segment of the Luxiem audience.
>>29801079It's real people who click on the screen and watch it. Not Chinese viewfarms like Nijimale streams.
>>29801074Both yes and she put an inordinate amount of hours too
>>29800999I think any form of viewership helps increase your chance at picking up domestic viewers. I mean the biggest hurdle HolostarsJP has is that they literally don’t have viewership. They’re all low 3views, like 200-400 ccv type of 3view, barring a select few like Roberu. Artificially increasing viewership helps your case at picking up more people willing to check you out if you’re consistently getting 800-1k rather than 300
>>29801013She only says this because she knows she's the runt of EN now that Sana is gone.What do we think today, sub 5k? Keep in mind many of her viewers are watching Ina right now.
>>29800735Again, isolated communities. Facebook more than the rest.Major Holo discussion forums are reddit, twitter, and the main Holodiscord which has around 50k members.Anyone peddling the mutated version of this rrat in any of these places will be laughed the fuck off.If some FB schizos believe it, well... what can they really do?Try to correct them if that forum is important to you. I don't use FB, and neither does 90% of the holo audience so it's really no big deal imo.
>>29801194Selen InclingPolka RecliningOnly haachama has any chance of stopping selen
>>29801217I'm kinda the same-ish but before i even considered membering to Okayu i made sure that i at least understood her.
>>29801291>they literally don’t have viewership400 is still 10x what Itsuki gets... PLEASE SAVE HER
>>29801299>She only says this because she knows she's the runt of EN now that Sana is gone.She is not in any metric: subs, CCV, VOD views, you name it and she outranks one or multiple girls
>>29801191Bae...she tries by posting schedules first to only get ass blasted by guerrillas.
>>29801368You replied to the faunaschizo you dunce.
>>29801303I mean i just dont want it turning into that millie debacle some months ago in some of the flip vtubing groups due to some rrat spreading out of control
>>298012993.5-4k at most. this is why we should use her in place of the sana line.
>>29798898you were warned: >>29720299
>>29801349You're lucky because Okayu has, IMO; one of the easiest spoken japanese of all of the girls. Well enunciated, not too fast, simple enough words.Haachama is the opposite, she speeds up and mash a whole sentence in only a few sounds
>>29800684>pre-debutwhat does this even mean
Anyone else finds it funny how half Finana's numbers during F1 watchalongs are from KFP discord?
can EOP nijiniggers really not think of nijis without associating them with holos? that's pretty fucking sad I can't lieI can see why the nip fans really don't like their EOP counterparts
>>29801502It means he's a mentally ill larper.
>>29800663>>29800942how are track jackets niche?
>>29801583>Implying Jap nijifags are any better