/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>31219233
>has a good singing voice
Subjective and debatable

>>31219233
She cute. Why else?

>>31219273
Yes, even Iron Mouse sounds better. Forgot IM even Elira does

>>31219233
she offers the best GFE of all of holo en that's why

>>31219233
you don't have to achieve anything, people may like you for your character

>>31219233
>OP is a number fag
>OP is also a normal fag
Noone cares.

>>31219393
She's the most autistic in their mecha taste.She likes mecha

>>31219233
She's honestly better as a streamer. Like she has a good voice, but her streams are better than her songs and her songs come off as slightly underwhelming and generic. Streaming wise she got fucked over by being randomly launched all by herself.
She should go more avant garde with songs similar to how Marine did Unison and maybe she'd be more interesting.
Also her model sucks and I really hope they just completely redesign her soon and cut off that filter.

>>31219233
Jealous much chumfag

>>31219393
She should do dick sucking Asmr if she doesn't want to be irrelevant. People are leaving her for Enna.

>>31219233
Because she's cute and funny. Imagine being so full of hate that you see someone as cute and harmless as Irys and you just seethe. Couldn't be me.

if mori and bae never existed and she hung out JPs instead, she certainly would have produced more songs by now

>>31219233
Her fans are saviorfags that desperately wish they were Japanese

I like her model, it's nice seeing something that isn't so generic-anime looking.

>>31219827
I only wish she wasn't shitskin

>>31219233
Cover released a vsinger without a 3D model....I follow vsingers and all of them have a 3D model for their concerts. But holofags keep simping for the company instead of demanding a proper treatment for their oshis.
Irys is really funny and her singing is good, but Cover doesnt give a fuck about her.

>>31219827
Agreed, it's a shame she doesn't like it. I know it's caused issues with getting costumes which fucking sucks, but i really like the design itself.

I wish they just made her do covers of good songs

>vsinger timeloop in 2022
She's council now

>>31219570
>People are leaving her for Enna

I like both but Hololive has been burning me out and just seems so fake with their seiso act (uwu girls dont poop or fart and only make rainbows and butterflies).

Enna at least feels more real but her whole "Im A vIrgIn" bit is a little tiring. 2 of the last 3 streams she's been in this week she's brought it up. Like OK bitch, I get you're getting crusty down there but please stop advertising it so much.

>>31219233
I will give you a magic spell to change her issue with her model:
She needs to tell this to her manager:
"I would like to get a new avatar and chose the artist myself to get something closer to my current state.
The current model was great, but I changed and I would like my model to reflect this change."

And to her inner voice: "I don't need to get acceptation from others. I am an adult now and can live without my parent's acceptation even if I do things they dislike. Everyone is responsible for their own happiness and I would like to focus more on improving my life even if it causes discomfort for some people.

>>31220435
>How to tell you have never watched IRyS stream without saying it

>>31219556
Really pushing this, false flagger? Nobody really cares about IRyS as show by how little views she gets compared to her contemporaries.

>>31221724
Ogey

>>31222272
>5 streams
lol

>>31222322
Quality over quantity. Your point being?
(And that was on the similar amount of streams as Gura, Ina, Fauna, Kronii, with the difference of +- 1-2 streams)

>>31222272
Why did she get the lowest amount of viewers playing Rust of any of the ENs playing it, with no overlapping streams? Why does she end up near the bottom in viewers for split PoV collabs unless Bae or Kiara are present?

>>31219233
She would have 1 million by now by far if she didn't live in the hospital. She hit 800k in march even with already 3 months where she couldn't stream because of her throat, and the same has been happening all this year. I'm really sure if this year her throat wasn't so fucked up, she would have Kiara's sub numbers approx.

>>31222752
Nah even last year her sub growth was pretty low

>>31219673
Mori and Bae aren't stopping her from talking to JPs. She can do that if she wants to.

>>31222272
I don't understand. Rn Kiara is doing a superchat reading stream and is having better numbers than Enna. Why is she lower than her?

she was actually a professional singer before vtubing
fuck off
should everyone's voice sound the same, how can you say she's a bad singer? are you insane. let's hear your hit single

>>31222582
Why do you suck cocks? Lots if questions here.

>>31222972
She was never a professional

>>31223016
I accept your concession

>>31222883
It was Enna's buff period and Kiara's debuff period. Kiara is pretty similar to Ike in getting equivalent vids views generally, but he too was on a roll at that time.
So yeah, Kiara should be above Ike normally

>>31222883
It's median. One or two streams might not be enough to make any drastic change. Enna has been having a great month by the time that table was created.
Kiara probably has higher average, though

>>31223922
Because of buff streams anon
She did 2 hand streams, 1 Karoke, 1 male Collab and 1 come back stream. You tell me

>>31219273
Shes not a bad singer, but shes the very definition of an "idol" singer. Which means shes basically mediocre as fuck. She sings like your average idol. Its why she gets her back blown out by every other naturally talented singer at Hololive.

>>31223922
Kiara gets like 5.5k anon. Like Ike.
Enna generally gets 2.5-3K
How is not a buff period for Enna?
I am not saying she isn't great, but she did some buff streams in the time frame

>>31222582
>with no overlapping streams
Can't you numberfaggot at least get your facts straight before shitposting with numbers?

>>31222972
IRyS's issue is that her voice is extremely limited and one note. She basically only sings in one register and thats it. So for songs that fit well within her pathetically small range, she sounds good. If it doesnt? She sounds extremely underwhelming

>>31224344
>T.never watched IRyS sing at a high pitch tone, so he makes shit up
This is objectively false. Unlike Moona na Risu, she actually nails any song you throw at her. Her singing the lastest attack on Titan ending was so fucking good, it was better than the original honestly,(if she didn't mess up the end)

>>31224297
IRyS had over an hour alone before anyone else started. Can you at least get your facts straight before shitposting about numbers?

>>31224274
>>31224177
It is buffed period for her, I didn't deny it. Was just explaining why Kiara's SC reading stream being higher than Enna's Puppet making stream isn't enough to change the difference in their medians

Just graduate and join Vshojo
Fuck this lazy ugly whore

>>31224479
Oh alright. I didn't mean to be offensive btw

>>31224469
>attack on Titan ending
Delusional, and IRyS would fail horribly if she tried to sing something like Whitney Houston's I Will Always Love You

>>31224469
Singing voice preference is subjective and I don't thinkshe sang it better than the original. I think it sounds better in a lower key and her voice can be quite nasally. It seems to be a pretty common opinion around here that she sings well bjt lacks personality in her singing.

>>31224469
The only songs Moona struggles with are japanese songs and songs that require very clear english. She gets screwed over by her thick as fuck SEA accent so any Owl City song comes off weird or scuffed.
>She actually nails any song you throw at her
yeah if by nail you mean sing it in the same fucking tone she sings every other song. Shes got the same exact issue as Gura.

>>31224344
Why do lie anon?
https://youtu.be/Kkx3-Feht9A
https://youtu.be/Aa4EAdsz0_E(not singing too loud btw)
https://youtu.be/TxBLSlFKb10
https://youtu.be/mg3x6NCe3j0
https://youtu.be/Jq4auNLLxgE
Do you not see the difference in range ??

>>31224472
Retard, she peaked *after* Baelz and Mori started because she had to start hours earlier than her normal schedule due to real life obligations. Those 4 streams in picrel >>31224297 were going on at the same time.
Moreover, look at this picrel. Red line was IRyS. Even if you are to ignore her peak, does it look like she had an hour without any overlap there?

>>31219459
Call me when she outs Anaheim as a jovian conspiracy and says that Nina should've been executed for treason against the Federation.

>>31224821
She started at 10AM JST and the other two started at 11AM JST, so yes. Ame started nery two hours later.

>>31224749
Your link to her Rolling In The Deep proves his point. She can't do the song justice at all.
Moona sings it much better aside from the bad English accent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCYQB9G9xlk

>>31224821
IRyS started at 10, Mori and Bae started at 11. Thats an hour idiot.

>>31225143
And IRyS peaked after Mori and Baelz started, your point being? Even before Mori and Baelz started, she still overlapped with two other smaller Holo streams, as you can see in picrel

>>31225112
You can see another stream overlapping IRyS from the beginning in >>31224821

>>31224749
>Nasally gross voice like every song ever sung by IRyS
>Almost no real power in her voice at all
>Lacks almost any personality
Let me know when IRyS comes even remotely close to sounding this good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkMzw3-VIuY

>>31225307
An SC reading

>>31225313
The duet is distracting. Use this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma4yka3yyLY

>>31219233
Because she's the only remotely talented member of EN, honestly.

>Speaks fluent Japanese
>Can sing

Name me another EN who can do either of those.

>>31225349
An overlap is an overlap, anon. You don't go "Oh hey, that overlapping stream only had 3k-ish viewers. It didn't count"

>>31225232
She peaked later because she became Ames Rust stream waiting room and she said in her SC reading she might meet up with her.

>>31225397
Speaking a useless language is not a talent

>>31225116
Just heard the 10 seconds and wtf is that??
You call that singing??
Her low voice fucking sucks anon. iRyS is consistent. Music isn't about passion singing

>>31225412
It's literally negligable. Why do you think IRyS barely gained any viewers after Kronii ended her chatting stream that overlapped her Anniversary? Only your core fans choose to watch your chatting/SC reading over a game stream, which for most Holos is a very small amount.

>>31225450
Yeah English is pretty useless :/

>>31225116
NTA but Moona's voice is much better suited to Adele songs. Its not a question of skill, its a question of natural pitch. There are plenty of very skilled soprano singers that won't be able to do Adele songs justice.

>>31225451
>Music isn't about passion singing
Kek. Makes sense you'd be an IRyStocrat

>>31225451
IRyas sounds like she was sucking down helium before she sings

>>31225504
It's not just natural pitch but lack of technique and power

>>31219233
How many times do you get the hammer a week?

>>31219233
I'm sure Cover has some major buyers remorse for being duped by the views on a cover song people were tricked into thinking was the original.

>>31225592
Reminder that good singers sing from the chest, not the throat. Adele is actually a really shitty singer who squeezes her throat for high notes. Damaging her throat doing it is why she's such an inactive singer. Go listen to any opera singer and you'll hear that they're pushing from their chest.

>>31225475
Anon, you realize that the difference between IRyS's Rust number and Ame's or Fauna's is just a few hundreds, right? It's not like the difference were in the thousands. Those "negligible" amount of viewers would have been enough to push one of them above the other two
The only HoloEN with significantly higher Rust number than IRyS so far are Gura and Mumei, and they are indeed more popular than IRyS

>>31225762
Isn't that one of IRyS' main problem?

>>31225792
Ame reached 15k on a Rust stream

>>31225792
If you want to gauge popularity just look at group collabs with split PoV. The only members less popular than her are Kiara and Bae.

>>31219233
No one from Council will reach 1M any time soon either.

>>31219233
Even mori is more successful with her musics kek.

>31224606
Anon, it's ok to cope.
>>31224703
I will try to be as objective as i can and choose the same fucking song to not be biased(even though I am picking up a song when IRyS was having throat issues)

>Moona
https://youtu.be/_0C7On9XRfY
Fucking amazing at high pitches. Not even kidding. But when she is singing the slow parts, she struggles. She also struggles at changing the tones. Also contrary to the problems that most people have, her voice breaks when she is singing the low parts. At 2:35 it's amazing how she does go for the high pitch, but overall the song is inconsistent.
Now let's go to IRyS
>https://youtu.be/Bd0UQye6OxA
1:05 a smooth transition between the the shift in tones. She is consistent.

Moona goes from a 6/10 to a direct 10/10
IRyS goes from 8/10 to 9/10

Coming to the anon who put the rolling in the deep of Moona, explain how is it better than IRyS?
I will use a a terminology that will make look like a nerd here.
IRys is like Messi from 2014-2021.
She is not always the best at every single note and all, but she is so consistent that it's hard to look at flaws. Moona's rolling in the deep is amazing when she say "Rolling in the deeeep" but overall, she is nowhere close to IRyS in that song.
At 0:18, 0:22, 0:28, 0:40 of her song, pls see for yourself anon( 1 only checked in the first 50 sec). Her tones are out of sync. You really think that makes her technically better than IRyS???
IRyS sacrifices a lot of soul for technique, and people may not appreciate this, but as person who was into classical music, it's something I can't admire enough. I don't think she is the best Hololive singer as that spot belongs to Rikka from Holostars followed by Suisei, but atleast appreciate her technique. I doubt anyone in Hololive is as good as her when it comes to technique and this is coming from a Hoshimachi.

>>31222272
Fucking hell holoEN is lazy

>>31226022
You are fighting with a moonafic ignore it. They wouldn't understand what you typed

>>31220435
>Enna at least feels more real but her whole "Im A vIrgIn" bit is a little tiring. 2 of the last 3 streams she's been in this week she's brought it up. Like OK bitch, I get you're getting crusty down there but please stop advertising it so much.
No one who does this bit is real. Not when they're Holos, not when they're Nijis, not when they're indies. It's super blatant pandering and it's pretty insulting to the intelligence of the viewers.

>>31225911
Ame's last Rust stream peaked at 11.7k, anon. Of course numbers will gradually go down overtime without anything special happen (which is the case for HoloEN since other than Gura / Mumei, none of them have tried to kill others yet)
>>31225972
Like the AmongUs collab?

>>31219273
Nah, on a technical level she's a good singer but her singing has no soul. Kinda like Ina with drawing.

>>31226022
I think you misjudge a monkey Brian like me will even pay attention to the flaws. I am a unga bunga, and for me whatever sounds good, is the better thing. Moona sounds better than IRyS to me. Simple

>>31226022
I think you are wasting too much energy for explaining something relevant to a seamonkey

>>31226022
Nah i prefer mori, her musics sells

>>31225972
NTA, but comparing PoV in a collab isn't the best way to gauge popularity because many members (i.e: IRyS, Fubuki) are popular, but aren't the first picks for others.
It's better to compare streams with similar contents (i.e: birthday, anniversary, the same game, etc.) while keeping contexts in mind

>>31226022
Consistency is boring when she can't do the climax of the songs properly. That Moona My Heart Will Go On isn't that good, but listen to the difference in the "You're here, there's nothing I fear" parts in these 2 clips:
https://youtu.be/8qghqMi4X80?t=204
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0UQye6OxA&t=206s

IRyS also has the annoying habit of raising her pitch at the end of her lines

>>31219233
>has a good singing voice
if you're deaf or unironically get off to discordant tones

>>31226022
And this is where IRyS looses. Most of the people like me aren't into classical music and know this shit. I prefer what sounds good to my ear

Part of me wants to like IRyS, but another part of me knows she's had Covid jabs :/

>>31226257
Ame had 15k on a Rust stream

>>31226257
Lmao nice screenshot 10 minutes in. In the end IRyS only beat Bae in CCV among ENs.

>>31225727
IDK. Seeing that Cover has been giving her new song(s) to sing almost every months, I'd assume that they are fine. Her sales and rankings in charts look decent, anyway

>>31226499
> because many members (i.e: IRyS, Fubuki) are popular, but aren't the first picks for others.
That's literally why it's a good measure of popularity. You can see where they stack up when streaming the same thing at the same time. If they are the second pick over others in the collab they are literally less popular.

>>31225762
Enna did much better than irys tho

>>31226499
Retarded post.

>>31226524
>>31226463
>>31226350
>>31226511
>Consistency is boring
And this is where you all are fucking wrong. It's ok if you like Moona's singing more than IRyS's, but don't try to portray that as an objective fact.
Ask any music enthusiast who is into classical if they prefer a song which is consistent throughout or a song with low low's and high high's.
Again, it's a matter of preference and I am not saying Moona is overall a worse singer, but I would want you all to actually take time and appreciate how hard it is to be this consistent like IRyS when it comes to technique

>>31226826
Being consistently slightly above mediocre isn't ever going to impress anyone, it'll just make people call your singing soulless.

>>31226826
I said mori, why are replying to me?

>>31226826
I am a Moonafic and please ignore my toxic brothers. I feel IRyS is a product of hard work and Moona is gifted talent. The Moonafics act like Ennafags who think that better voice automatically makes you a better singer. I think IRyS is amazing even though she isn't my fav singer and I really appreciate her hardwork and technical skills. Just please don't hate on Moona for their stupidity

Irys has got to have the most worthless position within Hololive, 0 reason why she had to debut as her own thing.

>Model is uncanny and difficult to alter
>Designer is lazy as fuck and won't create anything new
>Even tho she's in Japan she still hasn't gotten 3D and won't do any concerts either
>Hasn't released an album
>Basically part of Council anyway

EN just continues to be shit, embrace an actual successful singer like Suichan

>>31220435
Enna has a bf and I'm guessing people are talking about it again which is why she'd mention being a virgin so much to do some minor damage control.

>>31227014
Moona works harder than IRyS on her singing

>>31226826
The thing is that preference in singers is entirely up to the listener and is subjective. You saying she's consistent or technically good is fine but why are you acting like people don't prefer other singers to her? More people turn up for others karaokes than hers and more people listen to others songs than hers for the most part as well. People saying they prefer other singers doesn't have to have anything to do with how technically good she is.

>>31226929
>Being consistently slightly above mediocre isn't ever going to impress anyone, it'll just make people call your singing soulless.
Anon, in what world is IRyS slightly above average???
Kindly explain.
She is atleast a 7 when it comes to singing voice with a 9/10
Moona has a 9/10 voice and a 6/10 technique.

>>31226736
I disagree. Imagine this:
>A member has 10,000 core fans who will always prioritize her, but only 3,000 other who would watch her if their oshi doesn't stream
>Another member has 7,000 core fans who will always prioritize her, but 10,000 others who like her enough to watch her if their oshi doesn't stream
Which one is more popular? The one who can get 17,000 to watch her outside of overlap yet drops to 7,000 during overlap, or the one who can only get 13,000, but can afford 10,000 during overlap?
(Numbers are picked arbitrarily for demonstrative purpose)
That's why Fubuki is still widely considered iconic and one of the most popular Hololive member even though her median is middle of the pack at best

>>31227075
IRyS turned down vocal lessons, it's her own fault

>>31227079
Yeah I don't have a problem with that, but the fucking idiotic Moona fanboys who were Linking Moona's rolling in the deep and shitting on IRyS need to understand the basics of music. Again I don't care if you like Moona/IRyS. But atleast know what you are talking about if you are trying to shit on someone

I honestly hate her voice
She sounds like someone is constantly strangling her

>>31225397
Kiara. Done.

>>31227119
Listen to the end of My Heart Will Go On starting from the timestamp I linked. Her technique isn't that good and she has bad vocal habits

>>31227014
Tom Brady is good as fuck but boring. Brett Favre fucked up a ton but was way more exciting to watch.

>>31227075
Anon, she has been working hard consistently for the last 10 years if you know anything about her roomate. Also no. IRyS does vocal traning by herself every other day (before she fucked up her throat for recording)

>>31227259
>Annoying cunt with a G*rman sense of humour
Haha no.

>>31227079
>More people turn up for others karaokes than hers and more people listen to others songs than hers for the most part as well.
IRyS has higher karaoke numbers than Moona, though? (and most of EN except Mumei, Kronii, Gura and Mori for that matter)

>>31227297
>IRyS does vocal traning by herself every other day
Proof?

>>31227262
I did, and saying IRyS technique is worse than Moona is objectively false for that 1 instant when she was talking about the boat thing.
And no, her vocals at lower pitch were way, way better than Moona

>>31219350
>Iron Mouse
>Good singing
Being a one trick oprea bitch shouldn't be classified as good singing
https://youtu.be/7zyeNK118Mw

>>31227406
You don't hear her raise her pitch annoyingly at the end of every word?

>>31227377
If i post that I will be banned for three days as it revolves around her roommate from 2017

>>31227459
That's 10 years ago. IRyS no longer does any of that

You're talking about this one >>31225116 ??
How can it be shitting??

>>31227513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0UQye6OxA&t=213s

>>31227449
Mark the timestamp. I don't think it was annoying in the slightest because i have working ears

>>31227309
Best songs in HoloEN
Hardest worker in HoloEN
Most pure idol in HoloEN
And nothing you can say will change the truth, cope

>>31227406
IRyS last karaoke: 10k
Bae: 12.5k
Ame:11.8k
Fauna:13.1k
Ina:17k
Moona: 11.5k

So she gets better than Kiara I guess?

>>31227693
Meant for>>31227372

>>31227509
Recently she hasn't, but you f
Don't forget the skills anon. It's like saying you pick up a programing language and forget about it because you done coding in that language for a year. Till 3 months ago when her throat was fine, her singing was fine too. Infact she has become better (August 2021- June 2022) than her 2017 version

>>31227222
Looks who's bring moona and risu out of nowhere.

>>31227786
If you stop practicing something like singing you can absolutely get worse. her recent live performances and during her anniversary did not sound very good at all.

>>31227693
Wrong tag what does that mean?
Does that mean Gura is better than Suisei?
Also, her last singing stream had 23K. So atleast numberfagg correctly

>>31227583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0UQye6OxA&t=213s
>Weeee'll staaaaᵃʸ

>>31226511
IRyS has such an odd voice. It's like her natural register is so high that those notes aren't a problem, but because they aren't a problem she isn't forced to use power to hit them, and because of that her performance suffers compared to Moona who's ESL as fuck but still wins.

>>31227956
Her last singing stream was her anniversary, it wasn't a karaoke stream. At least numberfag correctly.

>>31227956
>Anniversary
Retarded SEAnigger

>>31227995
It's false to say that IRyS sings high notes easily
Case in point:
https://youtu.be/Xq9JWIf9zOY?t=5221

>>31227871
Where did he say Moona or Risu was shit?

>>31228074
I ain't numbefagging Seanigger. But it still was a Karoke you retard
>>31228126
>Sea calling other people out
Ironic

>>31227431
It kinda does

>>31228138
Anon, atleast post a clip where she hadn't ass blasted her throat.
This is from the anniversary streams and can't you hear in her voice that she is struggling to sing because of her throat?

>>31219673
Nigga she has three albums of original songs under her belt, that's considerably more than the majority of the JP talents who have like one original song. The fuck else do you want from her?

>>31228138
Her voice reminds me of a technique called falsetto, where dudes can basically squeeze their vocal chords to give themselves a high pitched voice with very little effort. It's almost like she's doing that to hit the higher notes in the previous song, which is why there's so little power behind them. Moona on the other hand is just punching that shit from the gut. Makes me think IRyS hasn't had much vocal coaching and is just one of those pretty girls who thinks they're talented.

>>31226749
Enna is a better singer but has shit music taste.

>>31219393
But she will inevitably collab with holo stars, roped by either mori or balls

>>31227967
NTA but are you actually retarded mate?

That sounds perfectly fine. Although that bit about Jack was annoying

>>31228250
It was not a karaoke stream, it was an event stream

>>31228142
If you say this shitting >>31225116
Then i can call this shtting too? >>31224469
fucking snowflake.

>>31228317
Her "sing loud" in HCH always sounds strained too
https://youtu.be/c_gZHcV4SxE?t=4248
>>31228396
To me it sounds like she's trying to hit it with her head voice instead of going into falsetto. It might actually sound better if she was using her falsetto.

>>31219233
How come Mori got a Music Label deal and they couldnt do the same for their "VSinger" loool

>>31228250
>I ain't numbefagging Seanigger.
>Also, her last singing stream had 23K. So atleast numberfagg correctly
What did he mean by this?

Reading this thread has made me realise that I am never gonna argue with Moona fanboys. The anon there have a logical reasoning that music is really just subjective and it's upto the listener to prefer either songs with consistency and climax but people still using their ape minds to claim how Enna and Moona are better. Dudes, IRyS and Enna/Moona aren't even the same type of singers. If you want to compare them with someone, compare them with one another. IRyS is a technique bitch who worked hard to get a good technique and pitch with her genric voice whereas Enna and Moona are naturally gifted talents

>>31219233
She is fucking awesome. If you can't see it you're retarded with shit taste in people

>>31228592
Alternatively IRyS could just learn to sing properly. Bitch needs to learn to sing from her chest. Moona's performance isn't even that great but it's still clearly better purely because Moona is a better singer.

>>31228731
I'm not a Moona fanboy, I'm just someone who knows how to sing.

>>31228731
Lotta words to say IRyS is boring

>>31222972
Risu has a way better pitch and range than her without even trying too hard. imagine getting out sang by a shitposting squirrel who's barely trying lmao.

>>31228731
>Enna and Moona are naturally gifted talents
lmao the fucking cope looooool. Moona isn't a good singer, IRyS is just bad

>>31228829
I agree with that. I was the biggest fan of IRyS' singing and thought she had great potential but she doesn't care to improve
>>31228731
Not a Moona fanboy, but "technique" isn't only about singing like a vocaloid.

>>31228930
Why enna fag like this?

>>31228563
Ok go back to your shed snowflake. That anon never said Moona or Risu are bad. And what he said was kinda true because IRyS does have a better technique as I have explained earlier. There is no debate about that. IRyS has a better technique and Moona has a much better voice. No two ways about that

>>31229011
IRyS avoids every hard song so it's hard to truly judge her technique.

>>31229136
Nigga she sang Bella. That's song is more difficult to sing than you using your brain. Please stop making these baseless arguments. Why can't you agree that Moona is better at one thing and IRyS is better at the other

>>31219233
>>takes it out on her viewers
sounds hot
what she do

>>31229567
It's not about Moona being better or not but about IRyS' singing being lackluster in multiple areas and not being surprised that people aren't impressed by her singing.
Belle was good

>>31219393
If you think IRyS is gfe then you're probably that autist that thinks a girl saying hi to you means she's in to you.

>>31230206
>went on a date with her fan mascot on Valentine's Day AND on her anniversary
>wants to do more date streams
>released a daki as merch
>said chat was her 5000 boyfriends

>>31230293
>tells her fans the guys at the studio watch her streams
>talks about how she gushed over Gundam SEED with the sound engineer, and they all went out to dinner
>talks about trying to get the guys at the studio to comment on her nails
>makes salon appointments right before recordings
>talks about how amazing and talented the studio guys are
NTR GFE

>>31227693
That's cheery picking. You should take average of the last 5 normal solo karaoke streams at least (the more streams, the more accurate). One weaker performing stream doesn't invalidate the rest.
Going by the last 5 normal Karaoke streams (I won't count IRyS's anniversary, for example):
>IRyS: 10k, 13.2k, 11.6k, 12.5k, 15.8k (a mix of archived and unarchived).
Average: 12.6k
>Bae: 12.4k, 9k, 12.7k, 9.3k, 10.6k (A mix of archived and unarchived)
Average: 10.8k
>Ame: 11.8k, 12.5k, 11.2k, 11.5k, 10.5k (All unarchived - and I'm being nice counting that 11.8k since it was a gimmicky faux-collab karaoke).
Average: 11.5k
>Fauna: 13.3k, 12.1k, 8.2k, 14k, 9.5k (All unarchived).
Average: 11.4k
>Ina: 17.1k, 14.9k, 8.8k. Ina rarely sings so I couldn't find 5 Karaoke streams even after checking back to Sep 2021. There was one with really low number, but I won't count it due to CCVID.
Average: 13.6k
>Moona: 11.5k, 12.2k, 10.9k, 9.4k, 6.1k (All unarchived).
Average: 10k
As you can see, when we take multiple data points into account, the only one among those who did better than IRyS was Ina (and she rarely sings). I'd even point out that IRyS (like Bae and Ina) did a mix of archived and unarchived karaoke, so her numbers could have been higher if she stuck strictly to unarchived karaoke like Ame / Moona's last 5 normal solo karaoke streams were.

>>31230465
Hololive watchers aren't going to be paying enough attention to notice that

>>31230465
But she released a daki...it means she's my gf...

>>31230483
Moona is getting good numbers but she still has the ID debuff
>>31230802
Not your GF, but GFE

IRYS will never get a costume

Costume deflection thread

>>31230839
Yeah, they all are pulling pretty decent numbers (more so if we take CCV cull into consideration). Wasn't trying to shit on Moona or anyone else, just tried to correct the notion that somehow IRyS is one of the weakest HoloEN members even though her numbers are, at worst, middle of the pack (in overall, she is on the same level as Fauna, with their averages / medians always within less than 1,000 range of each other).
I know a lot of those were shitposts, though, but just in case anyone seriously thought that was the case...

>>31226022
<Claims with all sincerity that IRyS is better at singing than Moona in any way possible
>Then lists a faggot homo and then Suisei as the two best singers in Hololive
Peak comedy. Moona mogs everyone in Hololive at singing. She was literally a professional singer. Suisei comes nowhere close to Moona's raw talent and unfortunately singing is literally 99% raw genetics/talent. You either got it or you dont. The best three singers in Hololive are Risu/Moona, Towa, and Astel.

>>31226826
>Muh classical music
Go watch the crippled STD whore at Vshojo anon. Shes a classically trained singer. Meanwhile the rest of the modern world will enjoy music not from the fucking 1500s

>>31231329
NTA but cope Seanig who is using Risu as a shield. Susiei mogs your ID branch like the Dutch when it comes to singing

>>31231329
NTA, but you got me until the Twappi part

>>31231329
your falseflag is too obvious retard

>>31219233
>>doesn’t have a song that hit 10 mil
>He doesnt know

>>31227014
>>31227075
Moona is literally a more established singer than IRyS could ever hope to be. Shes straight up a proper singer from a band. She only joined Hololive cause she thought they were an idol agency. IRyS sung some shitty Osu tracks and some youtube covers

>>31231448
>STD whore at Vshojo anon
I did and I don't get her hype. Sora with little training was able to replicate what Iron Lung did. Even as an Opera singer she is Ok. IRyS is good at almost all song genres (I said not all, so don't fucking point "b..but she can't sing like___"), so I don't get why people hype Iron Lung

>>31231611
> singer from a band.
Now i get why her rhythm, tones and techniques are so shit.
Also holy cope Moonafic

>>31231329
>Risu as potentially the best singer in Hololive
Isn't she really outclassed by Moona as is?

>>31231468
cope

>>31231650
To be fair to mousey she's singing with fried lungs at all times. Shes turbo debuffed. However on her good days she can really let loose some impressive singing.

>>31231822
Well Moona actually sings more often than once in a blue moon (heh), so regardless of talent yes.

>>31231468
Comparing Suisei to Moona is stupid to me. Moona is raw talent and genetics. Suisei is all practice. Unfortunately as other anons have said singing is pretty much only talent. So no matter how hard Suisei works she'll never reach Moona who was simply born with it. Same with IRyS. Shit even Gura is able to coast by on actually no vocal training off sheer talent alone. Welcome to the black pill anon

>>31231329
>>31232071
no matter how talented you are, hardwork always beat natural talent.

>>31232200
lol

>>31232200
You must be 18 to post here

>>31226257
Gura is singing right now, and it's better than irys.

>>31232200
>Hard work always beats natural talent
Holy omega cope. That is not how the world works anon. If you were born with a 5 inch dick you'll never come close to being as good at sex as someone born with a 9 inch cock. You aren't even on the same playing field. Same with height or any other numerous you got it or you dont things.

Official Holo Singing ranking(Not including Homofags because Rika is a hack)
ChocoSensei>Suisex>Kanata>Twappi>Risu=Airus>Azki>Moona>Gura>SoraWatame>Mumei>Kobo>Baelz

>>31232200
You probably think height and dick size dont matter too

>>31232215
>>31232268
>>31232301
cope, singing is like football. Where your skills and technique are more important than natural talent.

>>31232446
As long as its more than 5.5 inches, no. GSpot of a girl is around the 4 inch mark

>>31232272
Tell your oshi to stop doing mengen so others can listen to her first

>>31232567
lmao how do you know?
Did you get laid with your tiny 5.5 inch dick??

>>31231650
IRyS is only good at JP and Disney songs

>>31232696
>tiny
>5.5
well no, my dick is my 5.7 inches but imagine think 5.5 inches is tiny

>>31232787
now this cope anon. Please
I don't have enough energy to argue with another IRyS Schizo who will never change his mind

>>31232881
I'll change my mind once I hear something from her unarchived karaokes that warrant it

>>31232812
my dick is 8.2 inches. Don't let your oshi near me or she will be all over my huge dick

>>31233040
Proof?

>is an alcoholic that drinks EVERY stream and goes to "the doctor" at night

>>31232812
This guy is a pornstar in the Philippines

>>31233171
whats the avg dick size there

>>31232446
>>31232696
>>31232812
>>31233040
>>31233171
>Women can only take around 5 inches
>It gets painful after that and even unpleasant
>Only like 40% of all women can even experience an orgasm from penetration
>Of that small percentage, only an even smaller percentage prefer that orgasm over a clitoral orgasm
>Of an even smaller percentage of that small percentage are women who actively consider themselves size queens
Dick size is the worst thing to get black pilled over. Its actually a meme. If you dont gotta a microdick women don't care. Dont let porn rot your brain. Dick is dick to most women. Only a very small amount of women give a fuck. If your gonna get incel pilled its really all about height and thats it. Nothing else matters.

>>31233259
Im not sure but I doubt its as bad as Korea. The average dick size of south korea is around 3.5 inches hard. Idk what the fuck is wrong with their genes but they got fucked

>>31232301
>>31232446
The only genetic thing that matters for a dude in life is just how tall he is. Nothing else matters. You could be 5'7 with a fat 11 inch giga dick and you'd still get astronomically less pussy than the above 6 foot dude with an average dick

Why is a thread about singers and singing turns into discussion about dick?

>>31234978
/vt/ has and always will have an obsession with cock

>>31225397
>Speaks fluent Japanese

Not according to Pekora.

>>31219233
IRyS' roommate broke 100 Million views on a song, and broke it by a lot, so the problem appears to be with Cover and their management you dumb faggot.

>>31225450
stop spreading your germs here, bugman

>>31235600
Ahh word? How did all the rest of them that were clearly labeled as cover songs do by comparison?

>>31219233
Because she's the perfect woman and I want to marry her

>>31234978
>>31235155
/pol/tards love to spend their time breaking containment here. So the board is filled with unironic incels

>>31220256
>IRyS is Council now because she's included in fan art and collabs!
Yeah sorry, retcons don't work in real life.

My issue with IRyS and her singing is that her voice is really nasally and high pitched. So her singing ends up being equally nasally and unpleasant. She only sounds good on songs that fit with her scuffed voice