/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>31280318
Nijibots?
Nijibots!

They do have some wacky graphs huh

>>31280318
>Nijisanji uses bots confirmed

why 10 minutes tho?

>>31280522
the bots got banned

>>31280453
They sure do. Heart rate monitor graphs are some of my favorites.

no shit, everyone knows niji uses bots by now

>>31280318
>Nijisanji uses bots confirmed
Tell me something new pls

>>31280671
LMAOOOOOOOO
Fucking funny if real

>>31281024
Nijisanji must be botting their financials too. For the year ending April 2022 they both brought in more money in sales than Cover and made over double the amount in net profit at $20 million to covers $9 million.

>>31281369
It is a competent money transferring scheme by the chinks I must say. Manage to funnel cash from the mainland to an outside, and then extract it in form of investor capital. I wonder what will happen when Xi catches on.

>>31281121
>if real
https://vrabi.net/video/T0oMDzSoToo

>>31281369
>Nijisanji must be botting their financials too.
You bet. For dishonest company that uses bots.

>>31281369
unironically yes

>>31281369
iirc Cover is a private company, does it disclose its financials?

>>31281369
Why is Hololive generally more popular than Nijisanji (if you look at comiket stuff etc) if Niji has twice net profit as Holo?

(lets ignore the fact Cover has spent nearly 2 more mil than Anycolor for a sec)

>>31281758
Yeah they still publish yearly financials. Both companies have done it going back years.

Last year for example before either of them were public Units are thousands of yen.
Anycolor year ended April 30 2021
Net sales - 7,636,041
Profit before taxes - 1,261,264
Cover year ended March 31 2021
Net sales - 5,811,250
Profit before taxes - 1,728,570

So both Anycolor and Cover massively grew their sales in the last year. But Hololive went from being more profitable than Nijisanji in 2021 to less profitable 2022.

>>31282130
>Hololive went from being more profitable than Nijisanji in 2021 to less profitable 2022.
What went wrong for Holo? Or what went right for Niji?

>>31282066
>(lets ignore the fact Cover has spent nearly 2 more mil than Anycolor for a sec)
That is why though? Anycolor managed to reach that 14bn yen in sales while increasing their administrative expenses only a little from 1.4bn to 1.7bn. Cover doesn't seem to have been able to keep their expenses under control and it almost tripled for them in one year to be able to reach 13bn in sales going from 1bn to 3.4bn.

>salami's graphs look normal
>"this is proof she's botted!"
>salami's graphs have any bumps at all
>"this is proof she's botted!"
>nijisanji succeeds at all, in any way
>"this is proof they're botted!"
do you fags realize how pathetic you look

>>31282776
How do you explain this though? >>31280671

>>31282066
I feel like the more interesting question to ask here is if Hololive is so much more popular than Nijisanji why aren't they selling more stuff? Anycolor brought in 14bn in sales to Cover's 13bn.

>>31282226
>>31282708
Niji sells recycled keychains while keeping the profits to attract investors for their IPO, while their talents are dying and letting them rot into graduation.
Holo reinvests their gross profits to make more creative merch, improve their talents, get better equipment, etc.
I wish I screencapped Soraposter.

>>31282914
Hololive is mostly watched by dirt-poor SEAs.

>>31282970 (me)
I actually did.

>>31282970
This is a nice narrative but if thats the case why is it that last years financials show that Nijisanji was spending more >>31282708 and Hololive ended up more profitable as a result. Why weren't Hololive investing in their company in 2020/2021? Were they just letting their talents rot?

>>31282914
Maybe because they have more talents?

I honestly don’t get it. Salome was fun for about a week but after that you’ve seen everything she has to offer.

>>31282914
idk but if I were to guess, maybe Niji is selling high end merch. Luxury brands are less well known among commoners (mass public), but they make money.

>>31283073
Do they expect that much profits in 2020 and 2021? Meanwhile, Anycolor was expected to make bank, so they must already have plans. But unfortunately, riku thinks vtubing is a fad.

>>31283251
If you're an eop yeah

>>31280318
Bots are cheaper than actually convincing people to watch her.

>>31283251
.....weird description. But I never watch her.
Do you mean she is all about gimmick and a one trick pony? When people have seen enough of her single gimmick, she was no longer entertaining?

>>31283073
>Anycolor had 4 times more members than Hololive by that time
>Barely spent a 35% more than Cover in General and Administrative Expenses
>Spent a 50% more in goods because they pay for the merch (and also get a WAY bigger cut)
Why are nijiniggers so fucking retarded?

>>31282878
vrabi glitches out all the time, this isn't new

>>31283354
NTA but how did Salome entertain EOP for the first week but not the subsequent weeks though?

>>31282970
>>31283058
>it's all salaries and commissions that account for the Hololive spending increase
I thought it was going to be some kind of investment in capital like upgrading stuff or studios or something like that the way you put it. But legitimately all this tells me is Cover is a very inefficiently run company compared to Anycolor. Anycolor and Cover do more or less the same shit but Anycolor gets it done for much less and makes more money as a result.

Holo cope threads are hilarious.

>>31283465
>vrabi glitches out all the time
Any heart monitor graph from Holo?

>>31282878
Net problems? Youtube fucking up? Like holy shit you retards are beyond hope. If anything hololive numbers are more suspicious since they have lower vod views on higher ccv.

>>31282226
Council flop

go back to your cage numberfag, everyone knows /#/ hates nijisanji

>>31283704
>hololive numbers are more suspicious
I've seen various wacky Niji graphs, but I don't recall seeing the Holo ones

>>31283842
>everyone knows /#/ hates nijisanji
They were celebrating koushien or something few days ago though

>>31283844
there are a lot but everytime /#/ tries to come up with something. It's impressive how they try to look unbiased

>>31282970
>while their talents are dying and letting them rot into graduation

LMAO show Coco and Rushia.

First EN graduation is Hololive despite Niji having 3x more streamers too.

Hololive is wasting money on a fucking Genchink/Minecrap clone while EN branch is rotting.

>>31283911
>a lot
>also no graph
Ogey

>>31283844
Graphs mean fucking nothing. Youtube ccv numbers are all over the place for years now.

IPO scam? IPO scam!

>>31281369
What does Cover or hololive has to do with this?

>>31283984
>Graphs mean fucking nothing.
Not a numberfag, but I think numberfags would disagree this

>>31283994
This is fake moon landing tier cope holy shit. Nijisanji is more popular deal with it. They had 350k people watching Koshien for fuck's sake. And vod's are at 3 million each.

>>31284087
>What does Cover or hololive has to do with this?
Usual nijinigga thing. What else could it be

>>31283994
This is like numerology levels of schizo shit. No major shareholder is allowed to sell their stocks for a year after the IPO.

>>31280318
>bots
holocoep, back to /#/

>>31284101
Numberfags are laughingstocks of the entire board. Go look at them cope about NijiEN 60k collab right now.

>>31284087
Only people crying about Salome are holo drones.

>>31284214
Nobody mentioned hololive.

>>31283515
trending, desuwa meme, etc.

>>31284257
>holo drones
Ironic.

but our profit is higher than hololive, deal with it

>>31283911
It's funny how every time holofags accuse nijisanji of something it's always backed up with proof, but whenever nijifags try and shoot back it's just empty bluster and dude trust me bro.

>>31284273
OP did, read between the lines

>>31284215
More like go look at the nijiniggers cope that getting 60k divided amongst 14 people is an impressive accomplishement

I'm retarded are bots real? like can you really upper your liveviewers with it?

Salome's bots were obvious ever since she magically went from 100k+ to 20k average withing a single week. Yeah I'm sure 80% (EIGHTY PERCENT) of her fanbase just magically poofed out of existence because "umm uhhh she played a debuff game that one time!"

>>31284387
>>31284413
Stop playing victim.

why did # decided that this one particular third party ccv site was "the one" to go to

>>31284487
stop licking nijisanji's boots

>>31284257
>holo drones.
Big fan of Hololive here. Where I can buy that?

Yo this makes a lot of sense did you see how fast Ren reached his current number
That has to be bots

>>31284472
THIS.
This part is highly controversial. It's very hard to justify this phenomena.

>>31284532
/#/ truly living rent-free.

>>31284532
Because it's the one site paid off by Cover.

>>31284657
Salome was a fad. The fact that 20K even stayed is actually really impressive.

Not really anything new. Council got 80K debuts and now they're regularly around 5k. HoloX got 100k debuts and now they're kinda just hovering near 10k.

You guys speak always of debut hype when it's convenient and throw it out when it fits your agenda lmao.

>>31284862
>trying to compare debut streams (singular) to literally multiple weeks of consistent 100k+ CCV and then an abrupt crash seemingly out of nowhere
And of course you project and pretend akshually everyone ELSE is the dishonest one when you're literally doing what you're accusing others of doing

>>31284862
And anons here are overreacting, it's not like she went straight from 100k to 20k in one night. When she stopped trending her numbers started dropping down, that's it.

>girl with a blue dorito gets good numbers
>it's legit and well earned

>girl with without a blue dorito gets good numbers
>it MUST be bots, no exceptions.

>>31280318
We know this already

>>31284472
>>31284657
> 100k+ to 20k average withing a single week
That never happened though. She has had a very slow recline to where she is now over more than 2 months. Looks really natural to me. Lower numbers at first becomes a meme and numbers go even higher into the 100ks then a slow recline over months as people that were there for the meme dissipate and the hardcore fans stay.

>>31284968
This.
But I don't think that anon is dishonest, he just looks clueless. Nobody uses inappropriate examples like that, unless he really knows nothing about numbers.

>>31285136
>"slow" recline
>crashing from 100k to less than 50k within HALF a month in the very image you posted
Try a bit harder chink

>>31285113
>>31284273

These are some pretty "interesting" graphs.
Don't you agree?

>>31282066
>>31285239

>>31285220
>>"slow" recline
Yes

>>31285284
It's normal. Just some internet hiccups. Nothing to worry about.

What makes them more "interesting" is that they started appearing after Mori Calliope of Hololive EN singed her contract with Universal.

>>31285288
Responding to someone that brought up hololive, deflecting, like nijiniggers always do.

>>31285284
>>31285351
Stop anon, Hololive doesn't have any heartbeat graphs! It's just a Nijisanji thing.

>>31285351

Deflection.

>>31285284
hmm is a little interesting, but looks very mediocre or average compared to this piece of art >>31280671

Their natures don't even look the same.

hololive has crazy graphs too.

Also I would be willing to bet that some trolls are responsible for botting her stream just so they could make this thread

I wonder what caused this change in her graphs.

>>31285351
>>31285364
>>31285419
>>31285425

>>31285406

>>31285351
Doesn't this graph mean Mori disconnected once?

Or maybe it's part of a marketing campaign?
Maybe there some sort of code hidden that after decryption will reveal the reveal date of her next album or concert?

>>31285425
youtube is a shitty ass website with an overly complicated method of verifying viewers. Their algorithm has always been complete shit.

Like Pippa getting 1500 votes in her poll after a few minutes, with only 900 people watching. Clearly some users with adblock are not counting, or something.

Mori Calliope is a part of Holomyth, a protected class.
Delete your posts or we're going to have to take action.

Someone more suspicious may claim that Cover and Universal are trying to bot her streams to boost her popularity as streamer to increase her music sales.

>>31285555
>Mori
>a protected class

I think it's a bit of a stretch but at this point, who knows?

>>31285601
>>31285529
>>31285425
>>31285351
>>31285284
Remove these images. Final warning.

>>31280318
this isn't news

>>31285464
>>31284487

The fact is, though, that these graphs have been happening for a while now.
Come to your own conclusions.

Nijidiscord is here to deflect, and play victim.

>>31285689
Most of them look normal. but this one looks abnormal >>31280671

>corporate vtubers allegedly use bots and are allegedly a glorified money laundering scheme
I mean, if they're extracting resources from China and funneling it to the rest of the world via running a jobs program for misfits, that actually doesn't sound like something worth criticizing. I'd be totally ok with that.

Amecord is here to reflect.

>>31285779
nah that's just a heartbeat graph, it's a platform thing
The graph in the OP however, is not something that happens

>>31285770
Call out nijifags for not posting evidence of similair chats in hololive >>31284387 someone does it
>deflect, and play victim.

Oh, don't worry my holotranny friend >>31285410
I have even better graphs for you.

Take a look at this.

>>31285689
this one is hilarious because it exposed people who don't watch streams because they claim they all streamed from the same place

OMG Moricord raiding here oh no!

>>31285821
Put aside the HoloNiji rivalry, it's not surprising if chinese investors wanna do some controversial things

>>31280671
the bots were fighting against susan with all their hearts

there's basically no evidence to support that Salome has been botting. Usually if someone is clearly using bots then viewer engagement such as chat, likes, or supas would be much lower than their actual views (within reason, its possible there could be a lot of lurkers).

>>31286010
except of course for the graph in the OP, which is completely different from every other graph the niji and holofags in this thread are spamming to deflect

>>31285914
This is similar with these
>>31285601
>>31285661

While nothing like this >>31280671
at all

Another thing to consider who may be behind a random stream shows signs of botting.

Don't the holoniggers at /#/ have a hate boner for Salome because she humiliated them?
Who tells us that they didn't pay a botting service to bot her for 10 minutes just to create even more bait and shit this board yet again?

They have done it once with Millie from Nijisanji EN.
They tried to fuck with her and harm her channel and job by botting her stream.

>>31286010
But how do you explain Salome's chat moved far slower than a normal 100k ccv chat?

>>31280671
Rumao

>>31286072
>>31286227

>>31286283
And?

>>31286072
>muh graph tho!!!
not evidence

>>31286311
Cope

>>31286227
>They have done it once with Millie from Nijisanji EN.
>They tried to fuck with her and harm her channel and job by botting her stream.
vt affecting chuubas
Ogey

>>31286227
So all Nijibots are /#/'s ploy?
/#/ is disgusting.

>>31286340
>still no evidence
I accept your concession

holobotters exposed

>>31283844
>don't recall seeing the Holo ones
That because you are retarded catalog-dweller with your eyes inside your ass
Looked through a few of TODAY'S holo streams and got a couple. Wouldn't be surprised if there are dozens daily holo streams with such graphs
https://vrabi.net/video/HELNOgTWSTs
https://vrabi.net/video/W6k_zO-MEWw

>>31286440
they are the laughing stock of these board, anon

even retards that frequent this shithole don't want to be close to them
they are lepers

>>31286681
this*

>>31286484
>I don't like your evidence so I'm going to discard it
Nijicope

>>31286440
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/22828612/#q22831703

luxiem success breeds jealousy

>>31286072
The graph doesnt really prove anything. Nobody here watches Salome or follows spaces where she's actually discussed. The boost in views might be because her stream got linked from a popular website, raided or a lot of JP fans tuned in during a specific part of the game, there could be a lot of possible explanations.
>>31286234
depends on how yuotube calculates CCV, its entirely possible that a chnunk of her audience is so casual that they dont even have a youtube account or dont know about the chat function. She probably has the most casual fans out of any vtuber with people in JP who only exclusively watch her content.

>>31286644
Z's are already established as a result of YouTube's shitty database IIRC. Though, I believe some anon did tally the number of streams with Z's before and it turns out that Niji has significantly more Z'd streams (though the distribution is probably the same with Holo considering that Niji livers stream more).

>>31285953
>HoloNiji rivalry
I'd be more inclined to believe that's not really a thing at the investor level, is all performative, and that corporate vtubing is basically just an alternative to cleaning money through a physical business. Don't care either way, I still eat at restaurants too. My gripe is and has always been sameness and lack of content diversity. Trend-following variety streamers are the vanilla ice cream of vtubing.

>>31280318
>>31286227
>>31286440
https://streamable.com/udrqg6
It's a known tactic. Buying bots for the opponent, it doesn't help them since it's temporary and doesn't increase revenue, but it makes them suspicious, harm their reputation, and sometimes get them (mostly indies) banned.

>>31287046
nah the current working theory is that nijisanji gets more Zs becuase they have more people connecting from china so it fucks up moire often because of their VPNs

>>31280318
wow nijisanji is actually using bot to get more viewers?
that's disgusting, what a fucking cheater

>>31286234
One hypothesis is that Salome's audience is not the typical VTuber audience, most likely made up of tourists new to VTubers who stuck around. The slow chat rate was also observed in other tourist-heavy streams like Koshien.

>>31287168
Devilish...

So what happened here

>>31287046
My bad that should have been "algorithms" instead of "database"

>>31287174
Oh right, yeah I remember that being discussed before.

Or here

>>31280671
I love picrel too, even if Ibrahim aka"Z"ultan's is absolutely awful because it made Pekora lose the day because of this( the highest peak other than the Z was way below Pekora's)

>>31283354
Bring the Rick &Morty X Salome copypasta anontachi.

>>31283586
None so far, Koyori's were the closest to that but they barely look like heartbeats.

>>31287495
Holy shit that one is even more obvious kek. Splatoon Collab? Bot them!
Pekora and Flare chilling on Minecraft? Absolutely nothing.

>>31288259
thanks for confirming that /#/ is seething so we can laugh at them, kek

Doesn't /#/ openly admit to botting Nijis in an attempt to get them banned?

>>31288735
No, they only botted a Millie stream once to see how it would look like on a graph.

>>31286227
>>31286440
>>31286681
>>31286745
>>31286877
>>31287168
>>31287250
RENT FUCKING FREE LMAO

>>31289285
the thread is right there and it's clear they don't give a shit if she gets banned

All you retards have proven with this shitslinging is that the data itself is unreliable.
What is your rigorous method for distinguishing between flawed data and actual botting?

You have none. Not a single graph posted in here has meaning until you do.

>>31280318
awooga

>>31289463
>they don't give a shit if she gets banned
They don't, but it wasn't the stated reason of that experiment.
Despite what people think about the thread itself, most of what is known about Youtube's behaviour even outside this board comes from /#/.

Z's are fuck ups on YT's end, exacerbated by unreliable internet connection (e.g. Mori's parents internet, many nijis for whatever reasons)
But >>31280318 is fucking weird - that's not a Z
It's incredibly suspicious

>>31289285
>one person that got called a retard by the thread
>they

How would one know if it's the company that's using bots and not some fans or even antis? Let's say for whatever reason you found a 3view vtuber and used bots to bump CCV up to 5k for each stream for 3 months. Aside from the fact that most fans/new people will say the number is BS, what are possible repercussions, if any? Does YT ban, shadowban or internally downgrade statuses of channels with a lot of bots? If so, doesn't that mean it's possible to obliterate literally anyone? Alternatively, if niji's been doing it for some time now doesn't that mean it actually pays off? It's no secret that higher numbers attracts more people the same way a shit ton of money generates another metric shit ton of money in the right hands.

>>31291981
It's almost like metrics shouldn't be public in the first place.

>>31291959
If you really have to be a pronoun nigger you might as well quote every single post who refers to /#/ as a single entity.

>>31289929
its actually worse since they have no methodology and yet have revolved their entire identity around analyzing data, this thread has confirmed that /#/ are the worst and dont watch actual streams.
ex)>>31287495
>>31288622
The reason why the viewers dipped was because they were all waiting on one of the nijis to download the game
https://youtu.be/EUomgE09_6E

It makes no sense to compare graphs when the content of the stream which can explain the discrepancies can actually be discussed.

>>31292419
Retard.

>>31292567
*when the content of the streams are not discussed

>>31280318
>Nijisanji uses bots confirmed

What do you call this?

>>31280318
>45 minutes in
>Checked the stream
>Peak coincides with a boss fight
Kill yourself fucking retarded numbernigger
https://youtu.be/l3zJIclMNYo?t=2624

>>31296175
>>31292567
This is why context is important when it comes to proper analysis.
Naturally, this factor will be ignored, the thread will fall off the board, and the tribal numberwars will continue.

>>31283704
Using bots should result in higher VOD views relative to CCV, because viewbots and view farms rotate in and out to avoid getting caught
The retarded ECG graphs are a bug in the way youtube counts viewers, everyone who follows youtube stats knows this and has tools to filter it out
The OP does look like viewbots but it's probably some 5ch shitposter siccing them on her for memes, there's literally no reason for an agency to bot a random game stream that already has 25K viewers
All that said, you shouldn't trust any numbers from youtube, they're all wrong and usually wrong in different ways for each channel because Google are fucking retarded

>>31301332
Which Indonesian mountain range are the holobots trying to paint in this graph?

>>31301474
Not very familiar with Indo landscapes. Take a look at these cool combs though.

>>31302388
>not familiar with Indo landscapes
why are you lying, monkey?

also, check this one out too

>>31280318
This was confirmed months ago why are you still crying?

>holos have higher numbers
>B-BUT NIJIS ARE USING BOTS AIIEEEEEEEEE

>>31290863
>but it wasn't the stated reason of that experiment.
So why the holoshitters didn't bot a holo stream?
Because they expected the ban.

Why is the thread so quiet and not even one numbertard trying to explain after some anon posted these, kek
>>31302721
>>31301332
>>31295429
>>31285742
>>31285661
>>31285601
>>31285425

>>31303516
That's mostly YT autism with patterns observed on Niji streams too, as you can see from the pics posted on this thread.
If you want to see real weird shit look at the Luxiem Chivalry collab in picrel, which is not how a split POV should behave due to the single tab rule on YT.

>>31304219
>holobots is just "yt autism"
kek, there is a reason why everyone thinks of you as a leper, /holo#/ monkey

>>31304219
I'm pretty sure that most people that keep track of this stuff already know that certain Niji EN event streams, especially Luxiem, are botted.
Salome was also 100% botted, literally no vtuber in history has ever had their very next stream after debut have higher CCV let alone for several weeks.
There's also the burning question of who all the people are that subbed to her when Niji only has 2 other 1mil streamers after around 4 years.

>>31304219
>roughly coincide with the start and the end of every match, going up as the match getting intense
>weird
At least know some context

>>31304634
That wouldn't create graphs that move in perfect harmony like that though. Multi stream POV Apex graphs never look like that even though you can see round patterns on individual graphs.

>>31304219
Fucking kill yourself numbermonkey, you clearly don't know shit, you don't even watch the streams.
All you do is pick graphs and try to turn flip the context to shove you autistic niji-anti agenda to get your equally ignorant tribalmonkeys to bash on Nijisanji.

This shit is simple, it was a 5 POV collab, of 5 people playing the same matches, the peaks are the matches, the valleys are the results, they are in synch because unlike APEX or Mario Kart there is no.1 competition, no last one standing, no jumping between streams, only banter.

Get that into your empty skull you obsessed microdick schizo monkey.

>>31304770
>perfect harmony
You called this a perfect harmony when the graph only shares a roughly same way of fluctuating?
Besides, why would the botted Shu the most when Vox exists? There are so many holes in all of your bot conspiracy.

>>31305183
Anon... None of that would matter, with 5 POVs there should be some lag time between the viewers of different streams tabbing out.
There's also the issue of seemingly similar numbers of people tabbing out in each stream, there should be much more variation there.

>>31304327
No, no I'm pretty sure you just got mindbroken by numberbros in retaliation to your pathetic attempts at raiding the thread.
>>31304542
Salome's sudden success was a weird but tbdesu it wasn't too dissimilar to what Gura went through. Explosive debut followed by a period of recline to a more or less consistent viewer base. Her decline also coincided with Pekora's return, which has been speculated to have siphoned a good chunk of Salome's tourists.
>>31304634
The weird part are the synchronized lines, not the jaggedness.
>>31305183
Calm down, sis, You're gonna pop a vein. Could be just VPN-related as I've seen someone speculate before, but the graph still looks weird and unlike anything I've seen before.

>>31305671
I think you need to take a step back and look and Gura and Salome again, it makes Salome look even more suspicious.
Gura debuted during the peak time for stream watching as the first big corporate EN vtuber.
Gura also had a known PL that was already extremely popular on Youtube.
Not even Gura could beat her smallish debut CCV even though she went viral all over the place.
Gura had consistent CCV until December when Youtube messed up the CCV count.
Now look at Salome who debuted during a downturn in stream watching to a company that only had 2 1 mil streamers and is notorious for having big event streams that everyone disappears after.they finish.

>>31306162
All your evidence is crying
>Nijisanji is DYING why can they get salome!!!
And you still wonder why people think most of you are mentality ill

>>31306485
How about instead of baseless insults, if it's so obvious that she wasn't botted why don't you provide some actual explanations?

>>31280318
j-just a coincidence i swear..

>>31306747
>>31285544

>>31288735
no, thats just you retard

>>31306946
Youtube being a crappy site doesn't explain Salome in the least especially since the problem is how big her numbers are.
Youtube's crappiness deflates numbers not inflates them.

>>31305671
>>31305530
The first peak
Shu:10858 to 12835, a difference of 2000
Luca: 8860 to 10369, a difference of 1200
Mysta: 8717 to 9866, a difference of 1100
Vox: 7033 to 8440, a difference of 1400
Ike: 6413 to 7667, a difference of 1200
The second peak
Shu: 12007 to 13015, a difference of 1000
Luca: 9053 to 968q, a difference of 700
Mysta: 9117 to 9826, a difference of 700
Vox: 7585 to 8429, a difference of 900
Ike: 6639 to 7668, a difference of 1000
Why would they buy a different amount of bot for each person?
>inb4 similar numbers of people
Not even this board has like 500 people in total
I would say this graph is maybe a little weird but using this graph to say it's botting is just retarded.

>>31306747
Every sane people know it as she attracts shittons of people new to Vtuber fandom on Twitter, how can I convince a fucking schizo like you that the only thing you will say is THEN WHY NIJISANJI ONLY HAVE 2 1 MIL AND DYING?
Consider this simple fact: there are still loads of people not so interested or even unheard of in this fandom.

>>31307721
I never said that they were dying for one and two, you'd have to believe far more unbelievable things in order to actually think that she wasn't botted so calling me a schizo is ironic.
Niji has extremely high twitter interaction rates but it never translated to viewers. Just claiming that 100,000's of people appeared out of the ether is ridiculous and proves absolutely nothing.

>>31308097
>Niji has extremely high twitter interaction rates but it never translated to viewers
prove next thread? She had high Twitter interaction and became a popular meme at that time which can show where her fan came from yet all your evidence is only meh impossible.
The most retarded thing about you numbertard is to think every fucking viewer should watch stream every fucking time and nonstop. Not even Pekora has all of her subscribers to watch her at the same time nor they are always the same group of people. Is it that hard for you to comprehend this simple idea that not everyone is obligated to watch every stream?

>>31284156
>>31284212
>this is X shit
obvious shill is obvious

>>31280671
d-did he die?!

>>31308634
You can check their VTA debut tweets, there was an image flating around not that long ago that showed Niji twitter interaction to CCV disparity.
They have a topic on Twitter so everyone that follows gets pushed stuff but they don't necessarily watch.
What's impossible is that she somehow had higher CCV than her debut for over 2 weeks playing an old RE game that everyone already played.
What's impossible is that she got 1 mil subs in 2 weeks on the very day of the IPO when only 2 people in the entire company have accomplished that and it took over 4 years.
A viral meme doesn't explain either of these because there have been other viral vtuber debuts that haven't come close.

>>31309132
>yet all your evidence is only meh impossible.
You still didn't provide any solid evidence except crying meh impossible.
The only thing proving it impossible is that didn't happen in like two years of using Vrabi tracking Vtuber numbers. How is it impossible when her literal meme status gets more discussion after her debut? Or why Gura's number is justified as the first 4m Vtuber while her literal genmate stuck at 1.4m? Where did all those 2.6m chumbud come from?
The IPO cope is even stupider, the thing about Salome is that all her number coincide with each other before and after 1M, her CCV graph was normal, her Twitter interaction rate was high as usual, and even got her own subgenre on the Twitter tread and all you can claim is she got 1M in the same day the IPO starts thus le sussy and you must believe me. Not to mention there is no good for Anycolor to scam this whole thing when 90% of the stock they sell was held by some stakeholder that wanted to cash out and their own price of their stock was around 1400 iirc, which was far lower than their price now.

>>31283537
please clean your glasses

>>31309920
Do you realize how much lower the first stream after debut is compared to debut? Most people are lucky to even retain 1/3. Holo X debuts that had even more people watching didn't get close to Salome's debut CCV on their very next stream.
Being viral also doesn't explain it because it takes time for it to spread. Her next stream was only like 24 hours later. That isn't going to be enough time for people who know nothing about vtubers to find the meme let alone find out when she streams and decide to show up live.
There's also the issue of how she was so popular but Niji viewers didn't really watch her. There's a feature on Vrabi that tracks chat overlap and her highest overlap was Mito at only 14%.
The issue with the sub count is that Japanese people do not sub that often. That's part of the reason why they don't have that many 1 mil vtubers. Kuzuha regularly streams with extremely popular JP flesh tubers and he only passed 1 mil relatively recently.
Why would all of these people that don't care about vtubers suddenly sub to Salome en masse?
Since there's an extreme lack of evidence for where these people came from and why their habits changed only for Salome that the most obvious explanation is bots.

>>31310720
>There's also the issue of how she was so popular but Niji viewers didn't really watch her.
I like how you literally know everything in the world to know. L fucking MAO.

>>31310720
I am tired of repeating this but can you provide anything solid except crying meh impossible? All the claims you said is all based on your own thought. It can't be this, it can't be that, if anything related to en masse can be explained by a bunch of armchair numbertard on 4ch, then why Mori still has 2m less sub than Gura?
>how she was so popular but Niji viewers didn't really watch her
>Consider this simple fact: there are still loads of people not so interested or even unheard of this fandom.
And you still wonder why people think you numbertard are mentally ill

>>31310923
If Niji viewers were watching her, there would be a lot more chat overlap with other members and the highest wouldn't have been a measly 14%.
That shows that a huge number of chatters were not Niji regular viewers.

>>31311117
Because chat is a real factor when there's 100000 viewers and a few dozens of people who actually write messages in chat.

>>31311095
I've told you why getting those numbers is extremely unlikely while you've done nothing but scream that Salome is just so special that she can buck trends that every other viral vtuber has shown.
You've provided no explanation for any of the red flags and inconsistencies.
Gura was another viral vtuber and has videos going around the algorithm that have consistently helped her pick up more subs.
You're completely unable to give a rational explanation for why Salome has so many though.

>>31311117
>Is it that hard for you to comprehend this simple idea that not everyone is obligated to watch every stream?
Also, there are fans you called tourists that only care to spare their time on watching streams whenever something interesting or big happens. Just like Koshien. Nijisanji holds lots of it, even Holo too. Coco graduation scored 490K CCV while no other Holo stream ever score 200K.
Both new fans or the fans that only care when something big happened can all be attracted by the Twitter trend of her showing her own inside, simple as that.

>>31311424
I bet you shake your head and can't even imagine what happened with Kemono Friends. I mean the first season.

>>31311206
You do realize that chat is a sample of the viewer base and should be more involved viewers.
The less caring, more involved viewers would not be chatting.
If there were that few Niji fans chatting, why would you believe that more casual viewers would have more?

>>31307154
So how do you explain Mori’s graphs

Numberfags, why're you arguing about this? It's not really up for discussion at this point. Shalom's numbers are just something you look at and go "yeah...that's probably what it was" and accept that numberfaggotry is pointless because it's all based on foggy metrics prone to who knows how much manipulation.

The true Shalompill is that numbers general is unironically a complete joke, and that real numbers comparisons can only be made among low view literal who's (for data/algorithm analysis purposes) who haven't been targeted (knowingly or otherwise) by bots. In contrast, once a vtuber becomes popular, that attention itself casts a cloud of doubt over their numbers due to the various parties who'd be interested in fucking around with their metrics for a variety of reasons. Companies want their vtubers to perform well and become notable. Vtubers want compounding popularity. Malicious actors would want them framed for bottling and penalized. At that point, insignificance is arguably the true greatest indicator of genuinely organic metrics.

>>31311556
The fuck are you even trying to say?

>>31311499
This hurts you're argument though. Those are all big events like debuts.
All she was doing was playing RE and somehow got more than events.
Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
>>31311555
Amazing how you can't provide a simple explanation, just more deflection.

>>31311424
>for any of the red flags and inconsistencies.
I literally told you why Anycolor wouldn't scam this whole shit. The only "inconsistencies" left are your whole head keeps telling you it's impossible when the only sample you have is the short 2-year history of this fandom and 2 big corpo.
>Gura was another viral vtuber and has videos going around the algorithm that have consistently helped her pick up more subs.
Isn't this only claimed Gura is special? Explain why there are 2m chumbud never sub to anyone else, maybe you will get the answer where new fans come from by yourself

>>31311745
It's amazing how everyone in the world can understand the hype and knows it from previous experience when something like that happened, it's just you who are barking at the moon because of MUH BOTS, even though holos have more subs, and more ccv, although in most cases tiny numbers compared to the huge, dead (botted) sub base.

>>31311686
I'll make it simple for you. Chat should reflect the general viewership with a skew towards people in chat more likely being fans.
If chat is mostly non fans, the general viewership should also be non fans.

>>31283912
LMAO COVER HAS HAD THREE WHOLE GRADUATIONS!!!!!
What is Niji at like.... 100+ graduations now or some retarded shit like that?

>>31311745
>All she was doing was playing RE
My point is, that her meme status makes it an event. Everybody was eager to see how she will perform toward RE7, the whole 1-hour stream limited made this eager lasted longer with Twitter talking about it nonstop.
Try to disprove this, try not to use the past event to cry about meh impossible.

>>31311899
And does that mean anything when normally a niji gets 2k viewers and you can have them among 98k normals? Are you slow?

>>31311117
Doesn’t that actually give credence to her not being botted though? Unless you think the commenters are botted too? Because the rest of that 100% of chat has to come from somewhere

>Niji number fags
>Look at my great ccv numbers, hololive btfo
>also niji number fags
>But ma unreliable BS youtube stats
The absolute state of niji bots.
It's obvious their numbers are botted. Look at most unbotted channels and you will see two patterns. It either rises and then falls off slowly or it rises and flattens out until the end of the stream. Rapid rises and falls are good indication that either there is a connection issue or bots. Since niji has no connection issues, we know what it must be.

>>31311988
According to him, even the superchats were botted.

>>31312062
explain all of these then
>>31302721
>>31301332
>>31295429
>>31285742
>>31285661
>>31285601
>>31285425

>>31311749
Still providing no explanations? The EN market has shown many times to be more likely to sub than JP.
Gura has more because she has many more videos being pushed by the algorithm.
Now explain why JPs that don't care about Niji and don't usually sub, subbed in huge numbers to Salome.
>>31311868
There have been other viral vtubers but they have all followed similar trends. Salome is the only one who doesn't

>>31312180
coincidentally Salami is the only rival to your precious holoshitter company

>>31311933
As playthroughs drag on they lose viewers not increase. She did the opposite expect people somehow care more about random middle sections than the end. You know, the payoff that they would all supposedly be watching for.
Again, meme status alone is not enough for her to beat debut numbers and they came from Twitter is not a valid excuse let alone where her subs came from.

>>31312276
Still can't explain where Salome's subs came from huh?
Still stuck on believing the magic that everyone just showed up from the Twitter ether and then disappeared.

>>31311970
The point was that if she was so popular surely more people that are Niji fans are watching her but they weren't.

>>31280318
When will holos shut up about numbers and graphs and actually watch their oshis?

>>31312180
>Gura has more because she has many more videos being pushed by the algorithm.
So gura is special? You don't even realize all the explanations you use on Gura can be applied to Salome too? Her fucking debut had all those clips and Twitter trends pushed by Algorithm too.
>Now explain why JPs that don't care about Niji
Maybe after Hololive beat Koshien with any event then.
>subbed in huge numbers to Salome
That's not even a huge number though. The biggest Japanese Youtuber Hikakin got 10M sub, it was not even the whole Japanese Otaku population.
Again,
>Consider this simple fact: there are still loads of people not so interested or even unheard of this fandom.
>>31312450
>care more about random middle sections than the end
What? Isn't that the literal point of the RE7 stream? This fucking game has been streamed so many times everybody knows its end. The only thing people care about is how she will react to those middle points.

>>31312580
same but with gura

>>31312654
Are you willfully missing key parts to my points?
ENs sub in much higher numbers than JPs. comparing Gura to Salome on this front destroys your argument because Gura took over twice as long to hit 1 mill.
1 mill is still a big number for vtubers especially when the one in question was in a company with only 2 others that hit it.
Again you're destroying your own defense, Koshein has never translated to huge subs. If anything that proves my point that those people will not sub.

>>31312881
Gura's are very obvious though. Her PL had almost 1 mil already when she debuted.
She's also been around for much longer and it's well known that the algorithm pushes you much harder once you hit 1 mill.
It's not hard to realize when old videos still are accumulating views where her subs come from.
She was also one of the first big corporate vtubers during the vtuber explosion when streaming had the most viewers ever.
Salome has none of that and a market that rarely subs.

>>31312909
>ENs sub in much higher numbers than JPs
That's an observation by numbertard, not a fact. Let me repeat, if anything related to en masse can be explained by a bunch of armchair numbertard on 4ch, then why Mori still has 2m less sub than Gura?
>Koshein has never translated to huge subs
Nijisanji official holds the third highest sub channel in whole Nijisanji though.

>>31311909
Cover had like 13. Sana being the first Hololive Member graudating for reasons outside of being fucked by management.

>>31313091
so the rest showed up from the twitter ether and disappeared?

>>31312909
I am tired of arguing with a wall so I will just lay out my point:
>Salome attracts lots of people outside Vtuber fandom by becoming a meme on Twitter thus high sub and high ccv.
>IPO scam is bullshit
>Numbers related to en masse are unexplainable just like Gura and numbertard are retarded trying to spin something they can't explain into a conspiracy.

>>31282066
Hololive has a few talents that are very popular but the brand itself isn't as strong as Nijisanji.

>>31313255
This reeks of desperation. Debuts, Koshein, 3d debuts and lives that get huge views never translate to subs for the streamer's channel.
There would be more people in Niji with higher sub counts if this was the case.
Mori has less than Gura because Gura has many more large VODs floating around in the algorithm getting recommended.
Gura would also be pushed harder than Mori in the Algo since she hit 1 million well before and each million since along with her huge VODs just help to push her harder.
Also, ENs absolutely do sub in larger numbers.

>>31313506
You can just say that you have no idea where these people came from or why they don't follow any of the JP market trends.
Gura's are absolutely explainable and obvious unlike Salome.

>>31313626
>Gura has many more large VODs floating around in the algorithm getting recommended.
When Mori streams more and have serval hit songs?
>be pushed harder than Mori
You do realize you don't know exactly how Youtube algo work and you have no proof to that except your mouth, right?
>Gura's are absolutely explainable
Yeah, by the voice in your head screaming meh algo I suppose. Blaming it on algorism god itself shows you can't explain it at all.

>>31313729
>JP market trends
An absolute nobody on the anomoyous board talking like they know market trends without any inside data, so true. If even retarded like you knows, why the big 2 copros won't know? If they know, why there are still differences in sub or any metric?

>>31285113
>with without
Esl-chaama, back to the views farm

>>31313898
Why can no one explain why JP viewers that don't watch or care about Niji or even vtubers all decided to sub to Salome when Niji fans don't even sub?
Why can no one explain how come the JP market suddenly decided to change all known trends just for 1 person?
Every single one of Gura's VODs is massive which helps them get recommended more because Youtube is all about pushing "popular" content. Mori pretty much just has her music which obviously has gotten her a lot of subs.
Again, Gura had so many things going right for her debut and somehow Salome managed to get subs even faster? Not likely given the circumstances and how JPs act.

>>31313506
their entire argument is that essentially because it's never happened before, that means it cannot be legit. If you know anything about the history of science, you'll realize how completely retarded this explanation is. There's just no concept of the exception to the rule and so they have to pretend that Salome is just a regular liver when unique character that separates her from the rest of the livers. There has been plenty of explanations in this thread on how Salome was able to become popular and yet they completely reject it without evidence or a counterclaim.
Even if one accepts the premises that Salome is botted, why the hell havent the rest of the Nijis been botted or have a higher inflation of numbers? You would think that they would bot the underperforming ILUNA wave if it they cared so much about competition with hololive. As its been pointed out, theres no good reason to think Salome was botted and every argument for it has been put under scrunity in this thread. It is much more likely that her views/subscribers are legit because that its just an observable fact, the reasons presented ITT on why that is much more powerful and has more explanatory power to why she succeeded instead of the completely retarded reason that it was "bots".

>>31314187
>Every single one of Gura's VODs is massive
>Debut month streamed 23 times and had 8 1M vod, had 10 before 1M
>Salome
>Debut month streamed 31 times and had 18 1M vod
Now, tell me who got pushed the most?

>>31285689
>They more closely resemble botted streams
Are there actual data sources/points that show typical viewing patterns of botted streams? Where can I find this information? Googling "botted streams viewership graphs" gives me no relevant results.

>>31314159
You're pretending like this is some difficult subject but anyone can observe general market trends.
It's obvious that big events in Niji do not translate to subs hence the relatively low sub count of everyone compared to event CCV.
Viewership of the very next stream has never beaten debut CCV. Niji even had a debut a while back that was pretty viral from a speedrunner.
His next stream got a lot of attention but it wasn't even close to his debut let alone his next 2 weeks of streams.
We've seen everything that people claim happened to Salome before and they fell far short. Do you not understand why this raises red flags?

>>31280318
>confirmed
I don't think you know what that word means.

>>31314549
>Why
>Why
>Numbers related to en masse are unexplainable
I have laid it out and I think you numbertard believing yourself somewhat know the trend while not even the real participants in the market don't is just straight up insane.
And I have repeated so many times, that the short 2-year history and the only sample size of around 200 streamers in two big Corpo mean shit. If you numbertard trying to pretend that you are really "researching" the market, at least acknowledge that this fandom is young as fuck and your fucking sample size is far from objective.

>>31314482
You're forgetting that Gura's been active for almost 2 years and has been at over 1 mill far longer.
Going this route is going to hurt your argument too considering Salome's sub growth mysteriously fell off a cliff after 1 mill.
It's after 1 million that the algo really starts to boost you which obviously isn't a factor in how Salome got subs anyway.
Trying to compare Salome to Gura is idiotic anyway considering a myriad of differences that benefit Gura that Salome didn't have which is yet another reason she is suspect.
>>31314450
You're entire argument is that even though it has never happened before and warps all of our knowledge it might be possible if I believe hard enough.
If you know anything about science you'd know how retarded that explanation is since outliers are not hastily accepted as fact and are heavily scrutinized against other trial runs. Usually when an experimental trial gives results far different than other trial runs it's because of contamination.
Also the only evidence that been provided is literally that Youtube says so, so it must be true.

>>31283537
I think your reading the wrong post
Or you might need glasses anon

>>31290863
Truly batman with the personality of the joker

>holofags massively asshurt about Salome
>dump bots into her stream to try and get them banned
>all their bots are banned 10 minutes later
>post the graph: "see bots!!"

>>31315018
You haven't explained anything though.
All I'm asking is why people that don't care about Niji or vtubers would sub to one when they never have before despite Niji having huge events.
Even Kuzuha streaming with other big IRL streamers didn't help him very much and those viewers would have probably been much more likely to sub.

>>31315255
nice rrat twist anon
gontinyuuu~~~

>>31315051
You can compare her to Sakamato Chloe who also had unprecedented growth and how initially popular Irys who also debuted solo. Her character also had lots of memeable moments that translated well with twitter, billilbilli, youtube, and the general media of Japan on how outlandish she was. She quite literally combined all the elements that made other VTubers grow quickly into this rolling ball of numbers. She's the exception that proves the rule because NIJISANJI clearly studied how other VTubers like Gura was able to get a huge audience.

>be fed lies that holo is always on top everywhere since 2020 by holoschizos
>reel back after getting punched in the mouth with salome who was heavily marketed in japan
>still deny it after nijikoshien2022 wiped all of holo's viewer milestones except for coco graduation

here's to another 2 years of holo seethe

>>31315486
She's the cutest.

>>31315051
>It's after 1 million that the algo really starts to boost you
Proof next thread? Isn't this Youtube saying so, so it must be true? The Youtube Algo itself is unexplainable yet you treat it like some ultimate answer to all of the questions about Gura.
Now, let me present you a maybe simpler answer to differences that benefit Gura that Salome didn't have, bot. You can't disprove this too though.
>>31315345
>didn't help him very much
His growth got faster after he joined the group of those IRL streamers though.

>>31315486
>still deny it after nijikoshien2022 wiped all of holo's viewer milestones except for coco graduation
Niji's company-wide events have always been bigger than Holo's. How fucking new are you?

>>31315415
Yes and comparing her to those people raises a huge number of red flags.
Chloe had a much larger debut and was not able to hit anywhere close to her debut CCV let alone Salome's debut CCV yet Salome was able to surpass her debut CCV for 2 weeks playing RE7.
Sub growth is also a huge red flag for Salome. Chat overlap shows that the number of Niji fans watching was extremely small with the highest overlap being Mito at 14%. which is already pretty weird because if anyone is watching her it should be Niji fans.
The main issue though is that for some reason these people were supposedly subbing to her in huge numbers when other Niji streamers that get huge CCV numbers from Koshein, debuts, 3d debuts ect don't see growth in subs.

>>31315902
>Chloe had a much larger debut and was not able to hit anywhere close to her debut CCV let alone Salome's debut CCV yet Salome was able to surpass her debut CCV for 2 weeks playing RE7.

There was literally no buildup or hype for Salome. Most people didnt know that Salome would be showing off her insides or her ojou character. Lots of people tuned in to the next stream because they wanted to see what batshit thing she would do next.

>which is already pretty weird because if anyone is watching her it should be Niji fans

What? It's been well established that most of her audience is people who dont normally watch vtubers, also are you saying the chat is botted?

You're just legitimately retarded. I think you've only learned about vtubers a week ago and are trying to join on numberfagging fun (as expected since numberfags dont watch streams)

>>31315706
It's easy to disprove you though but you're unable to explain Salome. You keep desperately claiming that Salome is similar to Gura and Gura is completely explainable but that's incredibly disingenuous.
Things that Gura had that Salome didn't are: The most popular of the very first big corporate vtubers with a known PL that was already close to 1 mil to debut during peak stream watching during the vtuber boom to an audience already much more likely to sub.
Compared to Salome that was completely unknown debuting when many fewer people are watching streamers in a company that doesn't have many highly subbed vtubers in a market that isn't as likely to subscribe and she somehow got to 1 mil much faster than Gura.
The algo boost after 1 mil is obvious if you look at any of the streamers sub counts after they hit 1 mill it increases for a while. Salome bucked this trend too by slowing down which is odd.

>>31313381
CN literally doesnt count because chinks are subhuman.

>>31316250
Why are you blatantly lying? There was hype because she was the first solo debut.
Her debut number was also inline for the more hyped Niji debuts.
If she was so popular don't you think Niji fans would be interested too? chat is easily botted, you can see it in those crypto streams. It isn't hard to write a script.

>>31316409
>Salome is similar to Gura
The whole time what I am asking is why Gura is different from Mori and having 2M more when
>The most popular of the very first big corporate vtubers with a known PL that was already close to 1 mil to debut during peak stream watching during the vtuber boom to an audience already much more likely to sub
is literally the same for Mori. The only answer you can give is Youtube algo that you can't explain. Try to come up with another one or it just prove my point that en masse is unexplainable.

>>31316409
Salome's popularity is mostly due to bots plz understand

>>31316409
Also, salome's sub growth did become faster after she it 1M, it really started slow down around 1.3~1.4M.

All these images just proves to me that YouTube ccv is fuckery and should be ignored. It seems like there is nonsense everywhere.

>>31316597
you dont think it wouldnt be incredibly obvious to other JP viewers if her chat was botted? You're now making up claims that her chat is now botted when that has never been a point of contention, only her viewers.
My point was that it would make sense for Salome to keep a consistent CCV for reasons such as her unique character, her engagement on social media, and even a lot of new viewers who want to check her out cause she seems interesting. Could you name any engaging moments within Chloe's stream that would keep her initial debut viewers engaged to see what would happen next?

>>31316599
Why does Gura having so much more than Mori matter when that happened over about 2 years?
The issue is the time frame to 1 million and Gura and Mori were relatively close for that.
You keep deflecting to something that isn’t even a factor. It shows a poor understanding of the actual issue.
Can you explain JPs felt the need to sub to Salome when they have never done that before?

>>31317081
its because people like salome anon. nobody subscribes to NIJISANJI official channel for events because nobody wants their sub box shitted up with other unrelated videos. same with other livers who host big events, they watch for the event not for the personality. With Salome its completely different.

>>31317081
You clearly have no idea about the japs.

>>31317081
Calling 3 months relatively close when it's like around 1/6 of their career is just retarded.
Also, it still didn't explain why Mori streams more and releases more content but somewhat Gura got favored by Algorism. If the standard of algo is unexplainable, then the whole number game on Youtube is unexplainable.
Salome brought new fans from Twitter, this is a fact, how her number differs from the others is because Youtube number game, which is unexplainable.
Is it this hard for you to comprehend?

>>31316545
>it doesn't count
The holobrony mantra when it comes to graduations.

>>31316970
It wouldn’t be hard to write a script for bots to chat just put something really generic in the chat once and a while.
Her character is an anime trope and she had really low chat interaction though.
Why would non stream watchers be drawn to that of all things? Why do you also assume that she’s somehow more unique than Chloe or did you forget that everyone when crazy for her when she removed the mask?

>>31317595
Sorry, means to type 1/8.

>>31285852
But where are the fucking GRAPHS you nig.

>>31317670
I dont think you watch youtubers. the answer to quite literally all your questions is that Salome is likable and funny, thats really all there is to it. Salome has plenty of moments that are equal to Chloe removing her mask that go viral. This is the mind of someone who only reads /vt/ and is an autist who thinks that the only reason why people watch vtubers is for numbers.

>>31317579
People aren’t subbing to the streamers either though.
>>31317584
Okay then prove me wrong about their subscription habits. We can all see that they aren’t subbing to anyone else like they did Salome.
>>31317595
Your argument isn’t compelling at all because it’s just LOL who knows how she got them.
You’re consistently wrong about Gita too.
She had much higher CCV and VODs than Mori with the exception of her music.
Gura had many more people getting her videos recommended because YouTube saw how popular they were. You can even go back and look at all the views on her old stuff.
That is much more exposure than the handful of songs that Mori had.

>>31318499
>We can all see that they aren’t subbing to anyone else like they did Salome.
Just like gurafags!

>>31318165
Are you really moving to the Rick and Morty defense?
Face it, you don’t know and can’t explain why Salome is so incredibly different despite there being similar instance in the past which got no where near the same effect.
The bots explanation is the most simple that solves every inconsistency and discrepancy.

>>31318499
>Q: why Salome differ from others on numbers?
>A: it's unexplainable just like Gura somehow has 2M more sub that never subs to Mori or even anyone else in Hololive.
>Q: meh algorism
>A: Algorism itself is unexplainable and isn't compelling at all, also if you talk about VODs Salome has even more popular VODs than Gura so your explanation fit her as well.
I feel like you have trouble reading so read this.

>>31319002
If you watched her you'd know why she's different and likeable. Also very hype.

>>31318638
You still don’t want to admit the issues with this do you?
Yes, she was more popular than the others but the others obviously grew a lot too, even the JPs did.
Gura’s fans were also from a breakout into a new market.
The JP market has been there for a long time now so the sudden rush in interest all of a sudden requires a lot better explanation than just Twitter.
It also doesn’t explain why these people that never cared about vtubers before would care enough now to sub to one.
Gura’s explanation doesn’t have any of those issues.

>>31319484
>It also doesn’t explain why these people that never cared about vtubers before would care enough now to sub to one.
You mean how would 1.3 million people sub to vtubers when your own precious holoshitters have 3+million subs? LMAO.

>>31319002
I quite literally have here >>31315415
You're trying to make a direct comparison to Chloe when I said that that there are other factors that makes Salome unique in that she had other conditions for why she had unprecedented growth which Chloe did not have.
The other Anons here have BTFO'd you hard too and I hope that the thread readers realize who they're talking to whenever a numberfag comes on.

>>31319126
I thought all of Salome’s fans found out about her from Twitter?
Not even the Twitter excuse explains how that many non vtuber watchers found out about her in under 24 hours, the algorithm would take even longer to break out of the vtuber interest sphere.
Gura broke into an entirely new market while JP has had many years to find vtubers.
It’s suspicious that so many non vtuber fans suddenly cared about this one person and even subbed to her. They didn’t even watch or sub to any of the other streamers.

>>31318638
His argument quite literally makes no sense since Salome has not collabed with a single liver and theres probably a sizable portion of her audience that is unaware that shes even a member of NIJISANJI. According to his logic, the argument for Gawr Gura botting is much stronger than Salome since Gura has collabed with every single holom and yet does not have as high as a sub count as her.

>>31320107
>non vtuber watchers
Lmao the assumptions you make up.

>>31320107
>>31319484
>It also doesn’t explain why these people that never cared about vtubers before would care enough now to sub to one
>Gura’s fans were also from a breakout into a new market.
literal contradict with yourself though
>The JP market has been there for a long time now
>Consider this simple fact: there are still loads of people not so interested or even unheard of this fandom.
Also, may I add, many vtuber watcher that never watch Nijisanji before.

>>31319753
That’s an incredibly poor explanation that can be exposed by the fact that Niji fans were not her primary viewership.
If she was everything that made vtubers great there would be a lot more chat overlap with vtuber watchers.
Just because you say something doesn’t make it true no matter how desperately you want it to be.

>>31317595
NTA but Mori isn't for everyone. Is it really that surprising that less people would sub to a literal wigger? "Cringe kino" is still cringe. Gura is, for lack of a better word, generic and less likely to rub people the wrong way. Cute girl acting cute. Think about it like this: Who is more likely to appeal to the general public? Cute shark girl acting silly or a "rapper" talking about Shrek and Adam Sandler? Gura has more (dead) subs because she's the funny meme shark and people link their normalfag friends moments of her. So those normalfags sub her then eventually stop watching because she doesn't stream (or they realize she's boring most of the time).

Many people don't actually go out of their way to unsubscribe to channels they don't watch anymore. It's why sub count is a garbage metric to judge success by. Even the ones that stick around aren't likely to branch out. Because they aren't here for "Vtubers". They are here for her. It's why Chumbuds get a bad name for only caring about Gura. Because a lot(not all) of them genuinely are that way. While it's possible Salome went through something similar, the timeline is just way too quick. A "rise and fall" that fast is incredibly suspicious. You are arguing the meme magic was both super potent, and also wore off really, REALLY, damn quickly for her numbers to stay steady for a bit and then plummet hard. That's weird. Really weird. Then considering the timing with the IPO, it just adds to the suspicion. Could it all be a freak coincidence? Yes. Is that likely? No, not at all. Weird things are weird. Weird things that coincidentally boost a company shortly before it goes public and then drop off once it isn't necessary anymore? That's beyond mere weirdness.

>>31320312
I feel like I have to write my argument more clearly.
>Consider this simple fact: there are still loads of people not so interested or even unheard of this fandom.
If this premise can't be denied, then Salome can be a starting point for many people just like Gura making many people only watch her instead of others. Seriously, do you seriously think every Japanese Otaku already knows or is even interested in Vtuber? Many just lack an opportunity to get to know this fandom. Especially females on Twitter.
These people combine with people that maybe not that interested in Nijisanji before can be the new force she brought in.

>>31320207
No, if those people were from Twitter like everyone is saying they would know where she is from since she’d have been pushed with the Niji topic.
>>31320214
We could see the chat overlap and that’s the only explanation that makes a lick of sense for where all these people came from, a new group of people.
>>31320312
They don’t contradict though, those people were interested in vtubers but there hadn’t been one yet from a large company that was in English. Hololive had plenty of English fans already too.
If they were other vtuber watchers for Salome, there would have been more chat overlap. It would also take more time than the next day for that many to find her.

>>31320429
yes the goal of growth is to tap into audiences who wouldnt have otherwised watched vtubers. There is not a hard limit on growth that is only applies to already existing nijisanji fans. You could even say that her audiences is literally everyone else besides nijisanji viewers and that would explain her growth. Nobody except you is claiming that every single nijisanji fan has to watch her to make her growth "real"

>>31283909
they were literally trying to talk about anything that's not koshien, like shion's live announcement and other shit

>>31282878
>why do third party sites tracking youtube's numbers have weird patterns

It's like you were dropped on your head as a child

>>31320863
Read >>31309920 though. If you know how stock works, you will know that the company only gets what their price set. Not to mention all big stakeholders including Tazumi himself locked from selling in one year. The IPO incentive is just bullshit.
>>31321163
>It would also take more time than the next day for that many to find her.
Thats your own thought. Not even past event can prove this wrong.

>>31321163
>pushed with the Niji topic.
So sad that you believe /#/ bullshit.
You can easily find Niji-related trends that Twitter stupid algorism can't define it is Niji related or not.
https://twitter.com/orekosogaKANATA/status/155164169402982400

>>31321261
The issue is that somehow huge numbers of “people” suddenly found her even though they hadn’t known or cared about vtubers before despite there being vtuber ads and clips and everything else floating around in JP for a long time.
Obviously new people come in everyday for a variety of reasons. I have huge doubts that she reached that many previously unaware or uninterested people that fast.
>>31321382
Oh it’s absolutely unlikely that many people found her in that short of time.
Gura wasn’t able to beat her debut numbers anywhere near debut and she had a huge amount of viral videos going around and n both the new EN market and the existing JP market.
She was unable to do it and likely had a bunch of existing Holo JP fans that didn’t watch the debut come check out her stream.

>>31321366
But there's no similar Holo graphs like this

Does that mean you were dropped on your head as a child too?

>>31322315
>espite there being vtuber ads and clips and everything else floating around in JP for a long time.
There are tons of people devoted to other fandoms and Youtube recommendations will hardly give you any genre outside what you are interested in for a long time.
I can even pinpoint a specific demographic that recently has been brought in by Salome. Females on Twitter that are into other fandoms that only have a vague expression to Vtuber but are uninterested because they think it's just otaku culture. They got interested in Salome by her many fashion-related tweets, her clip openly talking about her period, and most importantly, the character arc of a normal girl trying to be an Ojosama.

>>31286234
I don't open chat room when the stream has more than 5k views because it will kill my browser after ten minutes because the Pajeet can't code for shit

>>31280318
>>31296175
numberniggers stay quiet to this post huh?