/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>31996588
Putting Mori higher than girls who can actually sing is a crime.

>>31996588
All me baby

>>31996588
Putting Gura with Suisei and Towa has to be bait, right?

>>31996968
it is

>>31996588
>Super cute
>Cute
Just say that they're bad singers faggot.

>>31996968
It has to be, suisei and towa can’t even come close

Moona up 1
Risu up 1
Gura down 2
Mori down 1
All Ame's down 1
Mumei down 1
Lui and Subaru up 1
Kronii up 1
Choco up 1
Ina up 1
Watame up 1
Kanata up 1

>>31996588
Sora, Azki and Aki should be on top. Suisei should be a tier below them. She can sing but her voice is not that pleasent.

>Gura and Towa
Lmao

>>31996588
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
>towa
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA

>>31996588
The best singer and live singer in Hololive is definitely Sora.

I only know EN so here's is one from my opinion and knowledge

>>31996588
>Kiara
ggod joke!

>>31998718
Move mori and gura down one

IRyS is a good live singer

>>31996588
>Polka
>Nice singer
You don't actually listen to her sing do you? Hell, from this list you probably don't listen to half of them sing.

>>31999061
polka is one of the best singers in hololive

>>31996588
>Bae at the bottom
>Kiara near the top
Are you deaf anon?

>>31998853
unironically better than calli though sparks is one of the best if not the best en song

>>31999403
most people assume Bae is just ok and then get blown away when they hear her seriously sing for the first time

>>31996588
Rushia had some of the best songs in Hololive, she should be way way higher

>>31999177
Right. Which is why putting her in a middling tier is criminal. And there are several rated higher than they should, I assume because OP doesn't actually listen to enough of them to make actual comparisons.

Suisei literally called Risu the "Celine Dion" of hololive. Nobody knows this though because for some fucking reason Risu hates singing.

>>31996588
>Best singer (Studio)
Any of the STARTEND members + AZKi
>Best singer (Live)
Sora, hands down
>Non-holo
Machita China

I won't comment on the tier list.

>>31999994
Risu's vocal coach also said that they don't have much to teach her cuz she is that skilled, and yeah waiting for her to do karaoke streaming is as rare as Ayame's stream or even rarer.
https://youtu.be/85ugBcYO7pQ

>>31996588
my wife Suisei is on the top tier
I am so happy to see that

>>31999994
Risu isn't even the best singer in her own generation.

>>32000037
Aqua is not that great of a singer

>>32001176
She is tho on technical side, voice is subjective but nobody cares because she rarely sings, and when you have Moona who do it regularly and improving bit by bit, any interest in Risu will decrease further and further. I will genuinely surprised if she ever broke 10k live viewers when she does karaoke.

>>31996588
Have you listened to haachama singing live lately? She's at least really good

>>31996588
>towa voice of an angel

I don't hate her but her voice sounds deeper than any friends I know.

>>32001688
I disagree but, then again, music will always be a subjective matter.
Aqua's not my oshi but she dominates my Hololive music playlist, love her voice and I think she's the absolute best when it comes to ballads.

>>32002428
Putting Pekora on the same tier as Okayu, Aqua and Matsuri should be a crime, and don't get me started on Mio.

>>31996588
OP is an obvious newfag who doesn't know Mel's true singing potential if he only places her in Cute tier

https://files.catbox.moe/1bzwoz.mp4

>>32002699
Pekora isn't great but that's the good part of making a tier list with a "cute" category.

Mori's voice is unironically good in her rockstar songs, as opposed to her hiphop or pop.

>>31998718
SOVL

Fuck you I love Subaru's singing

>>31999532
If she did more of this maybe https://youtu.be/IbCv5mSzkEg?t=8074

>>31996588
Idk about Sora, she sings like she choked on her tongue most of the time. Especially with english lyrics.
Also, Towa?

>>32005722
Sora sings like an angel.

>>31998718
Ame has soul. Fauna is just bad. And not even in the sense of being a bad singer; she just doesn't sing at all. She just reads the words.

>>32005722
>Also, Towa?
Have you not heard her? Idol tier at minimum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UV8OZj2olg

>>31996588
And move Gura down two, she's fine but you're dreaming, chumbud. Kanata up one, Kiara down one.

>>31996588
The fuck is Gura doing on top
OP is tone deaf

>>31996588
>Kanata
>literally an angel
>consistently praised by other top singers in and out of hololive including Suisei
>not in Voice of an Angel tier
Your list sucks and I hate you.

>>31996588
>Not putting Kiara at least in the same tier of Towa and Suisei
>Putting Gura higher than Kiara
Well, its easy to tell you are just trolling OP

It's all wrong, but actually with the exceptions of Towa, Mori, Kiara, Fubuki, and Mel, it's not all that wrong.

For me:
Towa down 2
Gura down 1
Sora down 1
AZKi up 1
Risu down 1
Roboco down 1
Mori down 2
Aqua down 1
Okayu down 1
Kiara down 3
Akirose down 1
Flare up 1
Kanata up 1
Matsuri up 1
Lui down 1
Polka up 1
Both Ame's down 1
Lamy up 1
Subaru down 1
Ayame up 1
Fubuki up 2
Korone down 1
We now introduce a "so bad it's good" tier below "Cute" and put Noel in it
Rushia up 1
Kronii down 1
Choco down 1
Mel up 2
Iroha up 1
Reine up 1
Baelz up 1

The result is something like (no particular ordering within tiers):

S: Suisei, AZKi [INNK Music Saikou!]
A: IRyS (given that she's shot her throat, I'd entertain arguments for B tier), Gura
B: Towa, Sora, Risu, Moona, Mio, Watame, Flare, Kanata, Matsuri, Polka, Fubuki (and Kurokami)
C: Roboco, Aqua, Okayu, Akirose, Mumei, Marine, Shion, La+ (I would entertain B tier arguments for this one), Chloe, Lamy, Ayame, Mel
D: Mori, Nene, Miko, Ina (and her voice has improved, she would've been E tier at debut), Haachama, Botan, Rushia, Iroha, Reine, Baelz
E: Kiara, Ame (admittedly she's better than Kiara), Peko, Iofi, Ollie, Koyori, Fauna, Sana, Anya
F: Noel, Choco, Kronii

>32008098
Mucho texto

Is that list for recordings? Because for karaokes it changes ALOT for me

Where kobers

miko and nene s/b idol status. kiara should be in 'making people listen to her is a war-crime' tier.

All of that text just to show some really shit taste.

>>31996588
Move Watame down a couple. There's a reason all her songs flop even though she tries way too hard to push the idea that she's a singer.

>>31996588
Kanata up at least 2
Marine up 1
Gura down 1
For the rest idc

>>31996588
Anya's actually a nice singer to really good tier, her covers are so cool.
Her karaoke needs better setup though...

>>31996588
Did you really..?

>>31996588
>Who's the best non-hololive singer?
Haneta Chika
https://youtu.be/kJAXM0lVMaQ

>Gawr Gura at the very top

Who the fuck made this garbage list

Gura down 3
Mori down 2
Ame down 1
Foobs up 1
Rest idc

>>31996588
>amelia and ina higher than bae and kronii

O G E Y

>>31996588
The only tier list you'll ever need. Given, haven't updated in months, so some members may have improved their standing.

>>32012829
Way better list overall. Only disagreements:
Mori up 1 or 2
Nene 1 or 2
Polka up 1

I like Suisei but her fans are without a doubt the most cancerous pieces of shit in existence

>>32013897
Cool.

>>31996588
Where do i begin. baka

>>32012829
when is a real idol company going to offer suisei a contract she is so much better than these pretend wannabees

>>32008098
>Ame (admittedly she's better than Kiara)
dyrbi
inb4 sovl

>>31996588
>recording
Suzy and Orca
>live
AZKi and IRyS
>Non-holo singer
Isekaijoucho

>>32012829
Anon this is a bait thread, you’re actually correct and reasonable analysis is not needed here

>>31996588
Who are all these no name losers listed above Luna?

Here's my opinion (aka the right one)

>>32002953
Shes starting to figure that out.

>>32021203
>kanata in B
>Pekora in D
ey listen Kanata is better than that and while Pekora ain't great she doesn't deserve to be on Noel tier

>>32021607
2 years ago I would have put Kanata in A, maybe even S, but nowadays she's pretty inconsistent, a trait she shares with most of the holos I put on B tier.
As for Pekora (and Koyori) she might be better than Noel and Choco but no way I can put her at the same level as the ones in C tier.

>>32022042
okay that's fair, Kanata has definitely been affected by her (partial?) deafness in one ear and isn't what she used to be.
But yeah I just didn't want my Oshi on Noel tier.

>>32002706
she's definitely an under the radar performer i feel
one of the few holos i think could make it elsewhere in the entertainment industry

>>32012829
Botan up 2, Gura, Watame, Polka, Fauna, Lamy up 1, and Nene, Ayame down 1.

>>32011796
Thank you for introducing me to her. A rare JP talent that actually impresses me.
I respect people like Suisei for their work ethic but she definitely benefits greatly from good production.

>>32021203
Watame is a better singer than most of A. Also putting Okayu lower than Aqua is a crime. I'm not really sure why she'd even be in S to begin with.

>>32012829
Marine too low desu

>>32006267
she's soul to me

>>32000448
That's great for her. Risu's weakness is she's hesitant to belt in her ayunda voice. She can do it but she's too careful about it.
So different from Moona who likes getting risks and constantly challenging herself.
Also genuinely asking
Is going through vocal lessons mandated by Cover? Who paid for the fee? And is it online or offline lesson? Is HoloID having JP vocal coach or the local one? Man if it's paid by Yagoo, I wouldn't miss that chance. What was some Holos thinking when rejecting vocal lessons?
t. Poorfag

>>32012829
Pretty good list

>>31996588
>best non-hololive singer
Some anon shilled me a CN vtuber with 3M bilibili subs with a really good voice a long time ago.
Somehow i forgot her name

Sora, Azki up
Gura, Towa down 2
Suisei down 1
Don't care for the others

>>32026515
Yousa?
https://space.bilibili.com/282994
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT64yx_dtZvlRCU3xYU-alg/videos
Yeah some of the CN talent are really cracked and set the bar for me.

>>31996588
Suisei for everything

Hmmm. Looks like most anon here don't listen to Okayu

Mel is a very good singer.

>>32002428
>>32002428
>>32012829
>>32021203
There are so many problems with all of these.

>>31996588
Gura is really good, not voice of an angel.

>>32008098
>IRyS (given that she's shot her throat, I'd entertain arguments for B tier),

yeah she's probably closer to B/B+ now. On a REALLY good day she's still A-tier but those days are very few and far between as of late. She just doesn't have the juice anymore and has to take frequent rest days from streaming but still does some random "recordings" for Hololive which set her recovery back even more.

Pre throat hurt she was great but now she really struggles to capture the same magic she had when she first started. Her last two karaoke streams fell flat and lacked that punch she used to have (not that she was a really powerful singer but she had something) It sounds like she's holding herself back now.

I went back and listened to an old karaoke of hers, and current IRyS is maybe using 80-85% of her original power when singing. On certain notes you can really hear how scratchy her voice is now vs what it was 10months ago pre throat hurt. She also changed her mic settings which makes her sounds different (not a fan of the change but I might come around to it)

Towa can't sing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMhFUYOQnKE

>>31998718
Switch Bae and Mumei and I agree

>>32027930
Oh yes that's her
Thank you man

>>31996588
wtf? bae is great
https://youtu.be/AAwJ0_uqhb4

Watame too low in these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIYYQUpTcuw&t=1931s

>>32025810
For your questions they will be 1 no, 2 talents themselves, 3. Offline, 4. Local one

>>31996588
>Voice of an angel
>no Kanataso

>>32029710
どのへんがgood?

>>32021203
You should be embarrassed for putting Watame that low.

>>32030078
The main difference in old karaokes is she practiced for those almost every day, having to follow a track because you don't have rehearsal memory splits your focus

>>32029900
excuse me? https://litter.catbox.moe/gg7575.mp4

>>31996588
>Putting tower and sharky above AZKi
Kill yourself

>>31996588
gura on the same tier as suisei, oh nah

>>32033689
>sounds half sung, half spoken
This doesn't make her look at good as you think it does.

You are all faggots.

>>31998718
Bae up 1, Mori down 1, gura down 1 and mumei up 1 into separate tiers from the rest

Best holosingers;
https://youtu.be/25cxrYkIskE

>>31996588
putting Kiara that high while having Bae at the bottom is a fucking outrage.

I don't care for arbitrarily ranking things but Kanata deserves to be high, that is all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLvEiuz3-Sk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KShESt0g5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZhTWLv8-aw

>>32036295
most ppl havent probably heard your oshi yet, Baeblade. what I was getting from her is that she sounds nice but I don't think she nails the notes that well yet

>>31996588
irys down
moona, okayu, laplus up
kiara removed

>>32002428
t. hearing impaired

>>32012829
Irys -> B
Mumei -> B-
Kiara -> C
Rushia -> B+
Towa -> S
Suisei -> S
Gura -> A+
Laplus -> A+
Nene -> A
Kanata -> A

>>32035469
Damn, thought Kobo had a new music session. Though you encouraged me to go over some of her other stuff that I missed. She's so good at acoustic covers and I love the variety she goes over in an industry full of utaites and otherwise normalfags doing the same songs. A top talent for sure. Looking forward to her future output.
>>32031619
I... don't think you're helping your case Watamate.
https://youtu.be/n6cAE2ue84w?t=919

>>31996588
At base, Moona and Risu are better singers than anyone beside Azki, but they need some proper training to get close to their full potential.

Towa's voice is great, but is very inconsistent and she only really has 1 range.
Kiara never used her good singing voice so it's hard to gauge.

>>31996588
None of them, vtuber music sucks eggs. They should hire a black woman because they always have really damn good vocals.

>>31996588
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhWq-ceJa5k
>Mogs Holo vocals and Mori rapping.

>>31996588
I don’t know if I’m qualified to talk best, but my favorites are Marine, Polka, Laplus, and Towa

>>32037431
for Risu, see >>32000448

>>32038060
Fauna and Ollie are not any better than Ame. Apart from that the rest is pretty much correct.

You can instantly detect a shit list based on AZKi's placement...

>>32012829
Gura needs to move two spots down.

objectively speaking Miko is s tier cutie and the rest dont even matter

>>31996588
I'm sick of people like to pretend Kiara and Mori can sing. Are you deaf of something? They are in the lowest tier, above Ame. Mumei is somewhere in the top 10.

>>31996588
noel above pekora?
watch streams faggot

>>32037365
Enna sounds like a lower quality IRyS. Hard pass.

>>32012829
>Mori that high
what's wrong with you?

>>32038060
Risu and Towa are not that good. Anyone could see it from their live performances.

Not familiar with alot of the jps but Kanata should be higher. Mori and Kiara above mumei is a fucking joke. Gura should be lower. Ame should be lower. Bae needs to be higher.

>Noel

kek

>>32045276
>anyone
idk about towa, but:
https://youtu.be/OIj_UeEQxlM?t=2851
your argument is invalid.

>>32002428
>Aki
>phenoms
Giga based

>>32037365
Not sure if bad taste or hearing damage, but about what I'd expect from Nijifags.

>>32045565
>thinking the 3D live was actually live collab performances
>actually linking react retards

>>32045460
Kanata's best work was years ago. She's not what she once was.

ITT: deaf retards.

>>32045869
watch the whole thing, they only did that to risu, suisei and sora (and ok, towa)
>not live performances
so you want karaoke? risu never did live performance.
https://youtu.be/7675fsRtoB8?t=7159
not good enough to you? yes she forgot the lyrics and mic quality was questionable, but that voice is the real deal.
>>32046665
Based

>>32046828
Anon you're just making yourself look like more of a retard with each post.

>>32046665
I would say Chloe is either good or great, but I haven't seen Noel and don't really watch her. Is she really that bad? Because Sana was pretty fucking bad.

I would also say I can't say IRyS is great. I guess it depends on if we judge them based on their voice or their songs. Because even though people say IRyS is talented all her music has been pretty generic sounding jpop so I think she needs more support musically for me to appreciate her voice/talent.

Not a comment on the best, but Botan and Lamy have improved the most since their debut to be solidly mid

>>31996588
What are your acid tests for these tier lists? I always look for Noel's placement first to see how serious the list is.

Why does SEA like tierlists so much? You can tell they're SEA by the bizarre ranking.

>>32012829
Actually a very good list. Well done Anon!

>>32047233
Go listen to Noel's Goodbye Sengen

>>32047554
So this is the power of an audiophile singing, woah.

>>32046665
They are good streamers but Korone and Haachama are not as good at singing as your list suggests.

Flare in her high voice - B
Flare in her cool voice - A+
Flare singing Kokoro Odoru - Untouchable

>>32047919
Flare is alot like Mel in that neither play to their strengths with their Hololive songs that have been released so far which is a bit of a pity.

>>31996588

>>32038565
>her vocal coach told her that they dont have much to teach her
dumb vocal coach need more experience, she need to hire coach with higher level

>>32045932
Clipnigger slander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4yEUWGO104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZU5KDlN1ik

The list is a joke when you have Kiara and Mori above Mumei

>>32048599
>Two songs with heavily processed vocals
I don't know why I bother.

>>32052844
Why bother lying? Well it's a sign of jealousy perhaps.

>>32053104
You may as well shovel her voice in the form of a vocaloid at me. All you've shown is processed vocals and that you're a retard, anon.

agree, gura is on par with suisei

>>31996588
This is the correct tier list

>>32053464
Jelous anti claims her "work" is worse than before, doesn't even show evidence. I show two 3D songs, goal posts moved to completely natural utawaku I guess? Here.
>>32036334
You people can never show any music before and after to prove your nonesense.

Suisei is the only relevant singer in hololive. The rest of them sound like absolute trash compared to her.

>>32053817
Not my fault you showed up in 2022 and think you know what's going on with her. She's struggled a lot in the last few years with her condition. Consider necking yourself.

>>32053941
Too on-the-nose, falseflag-kun.

Izuru.
https://youtu.be/DxLzHqRUE2o

I don't know how you guys consistently rate Aki in lower tiers as an average when she could absolutely keep up with the high tier singers. Also adding Lamy to C tier or lower is such a disservice of how much she's improved since the beginning. She's no power vocalist by any means but she holds her own nowadays.

>>32054095
No proof anti.
>I'll just drop the hint I know Nozomu so he'll back off
Idiot. Post what singing without any processing you think is better.

>>32055066
It's always heimin that are rabid, stupid EOPs. I honestly feel bad for her.

>>32054714
Aki is okay. Her concerts have heavily benefited her by being pre-recorded though.

>>32056424
I don't mind if you attack heimin all you want, being rabid fans is something that doesn't require proof afterall. Anyway I accept your concession.

>>32056487
OP's list is for live and recorded

>>31996588
Okay chumbud, in what universe is Gura the same talent level as Suisei? Moona deserves that spot.

>>32054248
Izuru? Nahhh, maybe when he gets over the applied filtering of his own audience.

>>32056783
>Moona deserves that spot.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...you serious?

>>32056783
>Moona
Pfft

>>32056424
You really didn’t post any proof at all. People always say Kanata has gotten worse but never back it up. She does less live singing sessions but when she does sing it doesn’t seem worse than what she used to put out.

>>32012829
This is the one.

Why does everyone say sui chan has a good voice? Every time I hear her sing it feels off.

>>32056667
Still "okay" her live singing is not very ogod.

I don't know why people think Azki is Suisei level when she was already MOGGED by her from her own original song too. Wasn't even close

https://youtu.be/awHsi05P2js

>>32010854
>>32024842
>>32038322
You can argue that she knows how to sing, but can't anymore after losing few notes over the voice fuck-up saga last year

Actually shame, she had a top tier voice

>>32058000
*Marine

>>32056893
>>32057070
Dead serious. Moona is leagues better than Gawr Gura. Her vocal range is immaculate. All her originals are absolute bangers as well as her covers. It's just English retards like you that can't get over her ID accent.

>>32056666
>>32057198
>Wants me to post things that would get me banned.
Absolutely genius. Keep posting heavily edited songs and keep screaming about how she's still great.

>>32058071
https://youtu.be/uU1JpNbkpZ0

Agreed.

>>32058295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoMhjlmw2cI

>>32008098
>Kiara down three
Come on she is not that bad...
>Ame (admittedly she's better than Kiara),
Nevermind you are just a delusional Kiara anti

>>32040283
Gura's vibrato is just too good, it literally carries her that high compared to the other girls. She is solid. Mumei is like a better Gura, but again the vibrato diff.
>>32040283
At least it's not D*mond*ce tier, she was worse than Noel. She's improved a tiny bit.
>>32024842
Marine's problem is her range. Or lack of. Her voice is good, her control is good, her range is lacking.
>>32024391
This is a live tier list, anon. I can understand why you think that, but without sound engineering buff, I can't justify those changes.
>>32013736
It's a live tier list, that's why Polka is that low. She loves trying to reach notes way out of her range and it makes my ears bleed. As of recently, because of improvements, can probably justify bumping her up. If it was studio performance only, I'd easily put her in A.
Nene, what to say. Nene is amazing, her technique is great, she's an extremely solid and underrated singer. I feel she's her worst enemy. She prefer dancing and other things compared to singing. But she can easily be at top of A+ depending on the day. I don't have any problem swapping her with Towa or Kanata depending on the day.

>>32057964
>Sings a song in a way it's not supposed to be sung.
>mogged

>>32058552
>Gura's vibrato is just too good, it literally carries her that high compared to the other girls.
Gura has the basic white girl with a guitar voice delusional chumkek

>>32058071
Her live singing is hot garbage. She has zero technique and you retards just like her because she's loud. Not that Gura is good either.

>>32058071
for me what makes moona great singer is her live performances a.k.a karaoke, you can really feel her emotion she put on the songs when she singing live (suisei and Azki have this one too), also her vocal power and bottomless stamina

>>32058552
And I'm saying your live list is full of problems. Fix your ears.

>>32058071
>>32058767
IDfags truly are delusional.

>>31996588
>towa at the top
stopped reading there

>>32056844
Shogun only filters the retards who don't know how to behave properly.

>>32058552
You sound like the autist from the vsinger thread that likes to larp as a professional.

>>32059137
I'm not a professional, but I did have musical training, so my ears are great and I know what is good technique and what isn't. This list wasn't made by me alone, but with actual professionals who do sound engineering and sing, including making their own songs down to the remixing.

>>32058653
Cope. Your little "vsinger" is getting more and more irrelevant by the day.

>>32058075
I’m talking about when she was Kanata. I think we had a misunderstanding. Usually when people talk about how good Kanata was they are referring to near her debut and the time after that when she sung live all the time and then they compare that to now and say she has gotten worse.

>>31996588
>Irys lower than gura
Cumpedo really delusional

>>32057964
This performance just proves how amazing AZki is. She is immaculate and yells experience. Her voice isn't explosive like Suisei's, but she's an amazing singer that can harmonize with anyone on the spot. She effortlessly matches Suisei's mood swings, especially when Suisei really starts crying.

>>32059216
>Actually the vsinger larper.
Explains why the list has so many errors.
Didn't think I'd be able to identify you by just one post but here we are. Shouldn't you be trying to shill your indies while saying Hololive doesn't need to get talked about because everyone knows them already?

It takes one listen to a gura shion cover to see that shion is just better

>>32059281
AZKi was barely ever relevant, but anyone in here could smell your falseflagging, retard-kun.

>>32059751
Doesn't mean much when you don't give any argument, anon. You're basically yelling to the skies like a madman. Better try next time, I guess.

>>32058431
pretty based desu
solid live technique, will get even better when she has other options except belting those high notes

>all these ID shills
tell them to shake off their retarded jungle accent both on EN and JP first, deaf niggers

>>32058071
>Dead serious
I really can't take this entire post of yours seriously but this is like low tier bait.

>>32059074
Behave what? A chubba shouldn't talk down to their audience

>>32061033
gatekeeping retards out of your chat is based as hell and if you think it's bad then you're a retard who has successfully been kept out

>>32060154
Yelling at the skies would be better than anything your thread ever offered. Blanketing bad opinions in the false guise of professional understanding is a hilarious joke.

>>32061709
Based on what? The desire to dilute your own fanbase to the point that every guy from Kuzhuha to the magster just look at Shogun and just laugh at their inability to have a thicker skin?

>>31996588
People here actually think gura can sing well? rumao

>>32061844
I'm convinced that It was just a shitpost.
I mean why tf towa is that high? She can't sing

>>32061844
Of course, she can sing. If Ame can sing decently enough, Gura and everyone else can.

>>32012829
Ina should not be that high

t. Takodachi

Are Choco, Pekora and Noel really that bad?

>>32060918
Don't be racist anon
EN girls don't have perfect JP accent either

>>32062213
Go listen to Tabi no Tochuu. I agree that with lessons on top of her current stats she could be much much better.
t. Takodachi

>>31996588
Tiers are for queers

>>32062213
You are pretty right, she has a really good grasp of pitch so in a studio she can make some magic but live? Less so.

t. Takodachi

>>32059216
protip: don't be a navy seal and don't try to claim authority on an anonymous forum when you a. don't know who you're arguing with and b. your credentials are essentially "trust me bro I just know okay ?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ij9LRGIj8c

>>31998718
SOUL > Talent

>>32012829
Moonafags are the equivalent of Kpop listeners so I don't take their opinion as valid, the rest is quite accurate tho

>>32058431
She's not an idol singer she's a diva, same league as Lizzy Grant, Ariana, Beyonce

>>32062213
I thought this was supposed to be a studio tier list? I'd actually put Ina higher than anyone on that line (except Mel, the fuck's she doing down here?) for studio. Live though - yeah, you can drop her down a rung easily.

Although even then, Ina's got an uncanny number of karaoke clips from TW and KR clippers (I think there are 2-3 copies of Gunjo alone that are > 200k) that do way better than all but a dozen people on the roster, so who knows. Or just run over to Rizulix's Gura 3D live clips and see its Balalaika >>>>>>>>>> Pretender (Ina) >>>> Calli and Watson. On the other other hand, drop her again when she sings in English, which is way worse than her singing in Japanese or Korean for some reason.

>>31996588
Risu should be on top of everyone

>>32070198
Risu should be on top of me if ya catch my drift

>>32058295
She has good range, but I'm not a fan of her voice

>>32070198
Risu is not that great to be honest.

>>32071585
I wrote this post

>>32067933
Gayest post in the entire thread

>>32062272
They are really that bad

>>32012829
How about expanding the tier list to also includes some vtubers/vsingers outside of Hololive that you like or something?

>>32072959
>outside of Hololive
Why would anyone bother outside of hololive except for a couple or so exceptions?

>>32073046
Hololive is full of garbage singers except for a couple or so exceptions

>>32073506
Oh, here we go again, fine. Give me your shilling list of non holo choices.

>>31996588
Moona is better than everyone there bro. And Towa is most definitely not good. She has an ugly deep voice for singing.

>>32073569
My motive was too obvious, huh? Man, I'm so bad at this, now that my motive is known, I feel like I don't want to shill anymore. Know a way to shill without being too obvious?

>>32073798
Wrong
Suisei > Moona

>>32073798
Moona is not that good. I find Suisei to be a more belivable top singer than Moona. Hate to break it to you anon.

>>32073798
Anon why are you so gay?

>>32073569
Oh and BTW my shill is already up there. Not many anons mentioned non-Holo so it should not really be that hard to guess.

>>31996588
Agree with angel category
Marine and mori should be higher in idol
Risu and kiara lower by 1 tier

>>32074748 (me)
Rushia should be in really good for singing the best hana ni bourei

>>32074574
Nobody wants your budget-IRyS.

>>32074037
IDfags are really delusional. There is a reason Risu doesn't sing live and Moona's best singing talent is apparently shouting.

>>32074748
Awful awful tastes

>>31996588
>Suisei Towa AND Gura at the top
kek the entire thread is bait and you don't watch karaoke or 3D live streams

>>32075070
Here is tower
https://youtu.be/LSoK0kRGSYM

Gura
https://youtu.be/b_4U4zDuKsA

>>31996588
Suisei fell off she used to be better

>>31996588
>Gura that high
Her singing isn't as good as before, weeks ago i downloaded and marathoned last 4 gura karaoke members only vods because retards keeps insisting she is the best holo singer and i feel fooled. Next karaoke stream just ask her to sing any of her usual city pop songs and compare that to her first 4 months singing.
>ame equal to ayame and nene
>bae, koyori and iroha that low
What the fuck
>>32062272
Pegor isn't as bad as the other 2 but her singing is nowhere near playlist worthy

>>31996588
Okayu that low means this list is immediately trash

>>31996588
>putting reine in tier with literal whos in singing
I think you never listened to any of her songs

>>32076754
Gura's songs are more popular than actual EN vsinger.

>>31996588
>hololive production

>>32070198
how can she on the top when she barely singing?

>>32077758
popular opinion != actual talent/skill
There is a reason terms such as overrated and underrated exist.

>>32077758
...and many trash burger and kpop songs are more popular than her orisong, your point is?

>>32077758
And kanye west's song with that roblox costume has 620m views.
People have shit taste.
Also >shittalking IRyS
Why are chumbuds like this?

>>31996588
Love My Mori

towa up 1

>>31996588
>IRyS
>Gura
>Sora
>Risu
>Suisei
>Roboco
>Mori
>All above Moona
Holy mother of cope

My oshi in one discord chat away from appearing in your oshi's birthday live and improving it with her voice and appearance.

i still can't believe that this two singing voices can blend so damn well
https://youtu.be/iB0gEw6uS6w

>>32075000
Suisei > Moona = Risu
Moona and Risu are still top tier and beating almost everyone sans Suisei and Azki. Also it's called belting, you retard

>>32056893
>>32057070
>>32058718
>>32058869
>>32060972
>Gura is apparently better than Moona
>Gura who can only sing in one fucking registry/tone and has no flexibility at all
>Gura who lacks any power in her voice whatsoever
>Gura who refuses to practice her singing at all
>Meanwhile Moona https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma4yka3yyLY
Chumpedos are something else

>>32045565
risu's got some much better stuff randomly burried. obscure stuff like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TMD8bN_LXA or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiO1Jmv2FEs

think consistency is probably a part of how people judge it, gura's got some actually amazing elvis covers if I just heard that she'd be top ranking. While risu's done some crazy stuff she's also gone on things like acapella kicks with unpracticed songs that where really not meant to acapella, and she'll go months just not singing then start singing again.

Its insane the amount of nonsense takes on Moona' singing. Its like people on here just hate her by default cause of her accent or cause shes ID. Shes easily a top 3 Hololive singer. There's no fucking debate to be had. Anyone who puts her below top 3 is delusion

>>31996588
>Who's the best singer (studio recording) in hololive?
Suisei I guess?
>Who's the best live singer?
I would listen to Okayu sing the ingredients in a shampoo bottle.
>Who's the best non-hololive singer?
Inui

>>31996588
> best non holo singer
Hanatan, i didn't even need to look others for this

>>32072959
Could, some I like to listen is Hachi and QuonTama. But that would be a lot of work. This one already took a long time because we basically binged a lot of karaoke to listen to everyone. So the ones with more karaoke streams had a bigger sample size and allowed me to be more accurate.
>32062690
I'm well aware, trust if you want, I don't particularly care either way.

>>32083883
This.
Fan fact: Okayu has the third highest aggregated views across all Covers among the hololive members, only beaten by Mori(Global Market) and Suisei(Penetrated JP Mainstream Music).

>>32084583
Hey, if you like Hanatan, listen to these songs she did with elfensjón
https://youtu.be/3-nuSx3F6YU
https://youtu.be/cBA9nkoCPs4
https://youtu.be/eduyTrslL34

>>32085467
cool, i'll watch it

In what universe is Moona a great singer?
Did you guys ever heard her singing streams or is this some weird meme I'm not aware of?

>>32083668
For a couple months, she was pretty shit due to the coof fucking up her voice
She's a lot better now tho

>>32061033
>chubba
Where did this spelling come from? Reddit? We call them chuubas here sir.

>>32087593
i blame the 9 hours karaoke

>>32082927
ONE TWO TREE ONE TWO TREE TREE ONE TWO TREE ONE TWO TREE TREE ONE TWO TREE ONE TWO TREE TREE

>>32083668
I agree. Most criticisms of her are short and lazy like
>Shouting
>Accent
She's Top 10 (homos like izuru and rikka included) for sure both in studio and live.

>>32087761
>9 hours karaoke
Most of it are pre recorded because it will destroy her vocal chord if she had done it live.

>>32090000
i know, but she recorded 80 songs just in two week and sang 20 live, and before that she already stream for 12+ hours. of course it will still destroy her throat

>>32082927
I agree that Gura is too high and Moona too low, but wow, you really do not watch Gura at all
Gura's vocal power can get up there - not up to Moona or Suisei levels, but still decent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bugBuOFuhbw
She also has about the same amount of karaoke streams as Moona this year, just that half of them were walled off from greyfags

>>32090784 (me)
forgot to mention
t. chumbud and moonafic

Suifags are mentally deranged

>>32080637
Irys ori song? Yes

>>32090193
>80 songs in 2 weeks
Correction, it was 80 songs in 2 *days*.

>>31996588
Nene and Suisei are the only member that sound as good live than they do precorded.
And Nene can sing while dancing, she is the best idol in hololive.

>>32091900
I forgot Mel she is top tier as well.

>>31996588
>kiara labelled "good singer"
Her rm's karaoke during her birthday stream say otherwise

>>32092245
You don't even need to go to her roommate to see that - just listen to Kiara's bday live and karaokes
She only sounds good after post-processing

Meanwhile, Gura has the opposite problem - she sounds so much worse with JP-style mixing

>>31997803
>Suisei should be a tier below them. She can sing but her voice is not that pleasent.
Yeah, her technique is solid (no shit, she put a lot of time into singibg) but genetics are genetics. Watame has worse control over her voice but it's so pleasant to listen to.

did u guys didn't realize that id girl stole the show at 3d fes lol ..

The only objective measurement is raw numbers. Looking at Spotify, Mori has the most monthly listeners, followed by Gura, and then Marine. The public collectively consider them the top 3 singers in Hololive.

>>32080108
yeah irys is overrated

If your sound equipment costs less than 800 dollars, your opinion is worthless

Gura & Suisei top 1

Calli top 2

For the rest idc

>>31996588
Holosingers are all bad, Suisei is good but soulless. fall asleep every time

>>32096854
>Mori top 2
lmao, nice bait

>>32062272
Noel is peak soul

>>32076196
Holos are doing their dance reps I see

>>31996588
>Choco isn't #1 on the list
Yeah, this has to be bait.

I feel like most lists/ratings in this thread underestimate Mumei. She tends to go silly when she gets nervous, but outside of that she's as good as Gura.

>>32085251
Helps that it's not all the same kind of songs all the time. I think the only time she actually followed cover song trends was with Animal.
Otherwise, she covers whatever the fuck she wants.
https://youtu.be/JqwKeddXPOg
https://youtu.be/TMJAy5_i1JA
https://youtu.be/WCTiDGl8Di0
https://youtu.be/Jn5wV1PWuW8

>>32037365
>"I... don't think you're helping your case Watamate."
>obliterates his own point by posting enna
heres a pity (you)

>>32100085
Thanks

>>32098121
She's more popular than your oshi

>>32091973
Proof?

>>32012829
>kanata nene laplus that high
>mio aki that low

>>32088731
Shouty is a proper criticism though. While her range is great, she loses some control while singing on high notes.

>>32099652
That's right. Even the Animal cover took less than 24 hours from the official MV before she released her version so it wasn't even that trendy at that time.

>>32082274
Belting doesn't matter if you sound like garbage doing it, retard.

>>32082927
I even said Gura isn't good either, retard. Learn to read.

>>32083668
Everyone knows when you IDfags raid a topic to push the purple bitch.

>>32087591
You can tell when her fans raid a music thread.

>>32091900
>Nene
Stop, anon. You're killing my sides. She's mid tier in Hololive and her live performances are really weak. She even winds herself half the time moving around like a retard.

>>32105739
everyone knows you just jealous of her

>>32105931
Stop sounding so desperate, anon.