/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Gura's side is winning.

>>33545438
that must be why literally eveywhere but here supports male collabs 100% and even here, the single, solitary place where male collabs being a bad thing is arguably the more popular opinion, it's still not unanimous.

>>33545393
don't care, if you stream with males automatic unsub, still have too many vtubers I'm subscribed to

>>33545587
Someone is raking in money and popularity and it ain't Ame.
You guys are exactly like unicorns, you are just tsundere about it and drop them silently due to "losing interest"

>>33545587
Yeah, it's peopel who make threads like this fueling all of it. Everyone else either ignores or likes.

>>33545587
Statistics and money have the final say, not opinions of twitterfags. Mori and Kronii are already going down

>>33545587
Protip. 100K twitter likes and 10K twitter updoots don't translate to views and income.
Daily reminder that when Mumei had that stars collab, the post anouncing the collab on reddit had 5 times more upvotes than the viewership total of all viewpoints combined.
These. People. Don't. Watch. Streams. And. Don't. Donate. Or. Buy. Merch.

>>33545587
>literally eveywhere but here supports male collabs 100%
Those people are saving their money for their oppas. This is just a feel good distraction for them.

>>33545675
Kill yourself ESLchama

>>33545393
I'm so tired

>>33545393
Why does this fool keep creating conflict out of nowhere? At this point I see it very likely that she will have a menhera attack after the transmission

>>33545734
As opposed to what? VOD views, comments, and likes? Look at any platform and you'll see overwhelming support except from incels and parasocial freaks at a ratio of 10:1.

>>33545655
True, opportunity to clean up the worst ones. Separate the wheat from the chaff

>>33545393
Have fun with your culture war. I'll enjoy the streams like I've always done.

>>33545878
You think those normalfags liking her post on twitter are the people buying her dakimakura and titty mousepad while donating 500 bucks to her asking her to wish them a happy birthday?
Are you fucking retarded?

>>33545821
As a small corpo and indie enjoyer, I just stroll out to the catalog from time to time to bask in the warmth of that week's dumpsterfire before returning back to my comfy home.

>>33545734
i'd rather be completely destitute than pander to unicorns. """people""" who give their money to vtubers are less than human. to pander to them for a quick buck is to sacrifice all dignity.

>>33545393
God Gura couldn't have chosen better time to make a Kronii cutout
Fucking gigabrain

>>33545393
where

>>33545393
>only now do neckbeards find out that vtubers is literally just you cuckolding yourself

What the fuck took you guys so long?

>>33545878
The most important income is through merch. Guras plushy alone sold more than any other hololive merch collection IN TOTAL. And she’s going to remain this successful because she doesn’t collab with males, it’s that simple.
You strawmanning all you don’t like as incels and parasocial freaks is your own problem.

>>33545587
Male collabs are bad because it put w*men near my homosexuals.

>>33546009
Maybe no male collabs is what was different retard

>>33545728
>Says this
>Ame and Mori make the most during 2nd anniv
>>33227560
>>33228472
>Why are you counting the collab as part of Ame's money anon?
Because the talents themselves said on stream that all money is going to Ame and viewers chose to donate anyway while knowing this.

>>33545728
So what? You always lose a part of you when you cut away cancer

>>33545587
Why was Rushia at the top of Playboard?

>>33545982
We already know that karen

>>33546162
Yeah exactly, that’s why half of holoEN will have to be graduated at some point

>>33545587
yeah winning = keep needing to raid and talk about it
winners just win, they don't need fake numbers to back it up
like like
omg, dead numbers from mori trash

>>33546111
unicorns set themselves up to being cucked

>>33545953
yeah me, because why the fuck not?

>>33546133
>Income per minute
We're reaching levels of cuck cope that shouldn't even be fucking possible.

>>33546211
ALL of them WILL eventually graduate anyway, so what's your point?

All I wanted to do was watch cute girls doing cute things...another hobby ruined by normies I guess. It really is tiresome.

>>33545587
The japanese who segregate themselves in internet ghettos away from the rest of us also hate male collabs. That's where idol culture comes from.

>>33546375
Your fault for getting invested in a korean.

>>33546332
You can just look at the first picture and see that Ame made the most anyway with simple math.

>>33546375
Nah JP is still fine. Pekora, Miko, Lamy, Koyori, Chloe, still plenty of quality talents to watch

>>33546375
Then just tune in when they do so and tune out when they dont? Why are you making it so fucking hard for yourself?

>>33546341
The nihilistic approach is not the own you think it is...

>>33546341
The difference is that if some don’t graduate sooner rather than later, then all of them graduating like you said will be due to cover being bankrupt

>>33546375
Normalfags will fuck off and they'll all come crawling back. It happened to Finana.

can someone explain to me what the fuck is going on

>>33545587
Numbers don't lie. Everyone who took the m*le pill has reclined. Hard. Just because the public sentiment on Reddit and Twitter is different means nothing in the real world. People might say one thing on Reddit, because it's the popular thing to say. But they will quietly stop watching, they will cancel memberships, they will reduce their supas until there is very, very little left.

Please show me one (1) female VTuber who did GFE or idol stuff beforehand whose fortunes improved after starting to do regular 1-on-1 m*le collabs.

>>33546555
Kronii claimed she could take any big dick she wanted on stream.

>>33546555
You don’t want to know

>>33546375
The women who voice cute girls in anime get married, and interact with male voice actors in nearly every anime. How are vtubers any different? I genuinely want to see what mental gymnastics you have for this separation in your mind

>>33545393
yes yes, it's all coming together.
all black male holostars soon... hehehehe

>>33545840
You spelled transition wrong.

>>33546375
i told you guys to stick to anime

>>33545982
Amazing what privileged people can say on the internet without an inkling of reality

>>33546595
they all make absurd amounts of money regardless. even if unicorns provided 40% of their earnings, (it's much less than that) they could maintain their dignity by not pandering to scum and still make enough money to retire young.

>>33546719
No you can fuck off as make an example of these cunts.

>>33546508
Exactly, which is why if the eventuality is assured, it is only logical to cut the fucking cancer that is the people who kept bitching and pushing their ideals to these VTubers rather than let th

>>33546655
they can have 4 husbands and 8 boyfriends irl for all i care, i just don't want to see or hear about it.

>>33546555
kronii said she's going to collab with men. /vt/ thinks this is a bad thing because this entire board is retarded.

>>33546795 (me)
let them flourish and kills the joy even faster

>>33546655
If you can't understand the difference between Seiyus and Idols you should fuck off to reddit instead of asking people to spoonfeed you Japanese culture.

>>33546839
okay, so what the fuck does loli have to do with this?

>>33546655
You show lack of ability of seperating chuuba from roommate. I don't care what roommate does. She can fuck hundreds guys and it wouldn't matter. What matters is what chuuba does.

>>33546782
>they could maintain their dignity
You need to touch some grass, anon. Unironically. Just because they're earning now doesn't mean that cash will last, especially if the one earning it is stupid as fuck.
>they all make absurd amounts of money regardless
They all pay absurd amounts of taxes too, never forget.

>>33546963
Did you read my whole post? Your anime waifus are interacting with men in anime. Or do you ONLY watch moe yuribait?

>>33545587
Holy shit redditfag what the actual fuck do you think this site is? It’s not unanimous? No shit it’s not unanimous, Leddit and twitter are notorious for having a singular hivemind. Because the fourth channel doesn’t have likes or upvotes or anything like that, hiveminds cannot be formed as easily, and you will come across infinitely more opinions here therefore. People saying one thing on Twitter or Reddit means, and I want you to read this closely, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It’s not about the numbers, there could be a dozen million likes on a tweet, it doesn’t fucking matter.
People will just cancel memberships or watch streams less, they won’t post it because they know they’re going to get filtered

Hello, I'm sorry know nothing about vtubers, but what's wrong with female vtubers collaborating with a males? Thanks for answering.

>>33547039
And are all these people in the room with us right now?

>>33546655
Anon why do you think NBA and NFL players fuck whore after whore but almost always never get backlash from it? It's because their basketball skills are separate from whoring. Same with vtubing. Kronii can suck over 9000 dicks and almost no parasocial fuck would care as long as she didn't mention it in her vtubing.

>>33547093
it makes me jelly

>>33547035
I thought we talking specifically about CGDCT genre. Why bring "anime waifus" all of sudden?

>>33547097
Yes. You charge him too much for therapy.

>>33545982
Have fun not paying your rent

>>33546885
I've lived in Japan, I understand the culture better than any /vt/ holobrony

>>33545393
>>33545438
>>33545655
You guys are more like women than the creatures who bleed from their holes holy shit

>>33547273
we've got s proud cuck here.

>>33547163
I figured it, now I understand the shitstorm, thanks.

>>33546655
check out these sick mental gymnastics: watching cute girls do cute things is different than watching cute girls do things with guys. you don't have to want to fuck anybody anymore than you do secretly want to go back to high school to experience it the same as an anime girl. it's just a nice comfy slice of unreality. something to relax to

>>33546655
Typical anime characters have someone else writing a script, and the VA follows it to create a fictional character. Typical contemporary vtubers don't have a writer or a script, and depend on the girl's own personality, experiences, and perspective for the bulk of the content. They don't get the audience that wants complete fiction, because they don't bother to make complete fiction.

>>33546894
it doesn't

>>33547250
t. Mori

>>33545587
Popularity = objective good, so you won’t mind when China invades your stupid little country and puts you native in camps, right?

>>33547449
>chuba has bf, fucks manager, hooks up with random stranger on a plane: that’s fine, I don’t care, they’re just fictional characters

also

>t-they’re not just character of fiction!!! I care about the person inside, their personality, and experiences

jesus

>>33546795
They will bring cover down is the problem

>Cover sets up HoloEN
>It's a huge success
>Anycolor notices
>They copy Cover and create NijiEN as a competitor to HoloEN
>They even make the first 3 waves all-female, which is completely unlike Nijisanji and is probably an attempt to tap into HoloEN's market even harder
>Success is marginal
>Anycolor eventually says fuck it and puts out the NijiEN males
>They blow up
>Cover notices
>Now it's Cover that copies Anycolor, putting out Tempus as a competitor to Luxiem
>Success is marginal
>And they set the HoloEN community on fire

This is why you should stick to your guns.

>>33547039
>Because the fourth channel doesn’t have likes or upvotes or anything like that
>"Based", "FBFP", "I kneel", "OP BTFO", etc
Huh...

>>33545587
We're everywhere, nigger. The unicorn will win at the end of the day because the unicorn does not deny their basic human nature.

>>33548022
>Source: My Ass

>>33547894
I think this "Anonymous" guy might be two people using the same name, or even more. That sure is confusing.

>>33547273
You will never be a woman

>>33548128
Unicorn is not human, if they are, they won't be called as such

>>33547039
>People will just cancel memberships or watch streams less, they won’t post it because they know they’re going to get filtered
There is not a single instance in vtubing history where collabing with men has caused viewers to leave in any significant amounts. The only reason some vtubers avoid it because they know they'll get harassed by a handful of schizophrenics, but it does not actually affect their income whatsoever.

>>33548199
I am every anon.

>>33548128
What human nature?
Not wanting to see a human Interaction?

Now I know you're retarded

>>33548086
Yeah, done by some people, while in those threads you would have others shitting on them. There are always multiple opinions is the point. Of course you can choose to ignore them but that’s on you

>>33548128
Being psychotically overly sensitive to hints of reality about your Internet fake gf isn't a part of your basic human nature, buddy

>>33548128
>unicorns
>human

>>33548281
>Source: My ass

>>33548281
See >>33546595 >>33545734

>>33548763
>Everyone who took the m*le pill has reclined. Hard.
This has literally never happened to a single vtuber, despite some /#/ cope where you'll post a screenshot of someone doing a JRPG series stream #28.

>>33547035
>Your anime waifus are interacting with men in anime.
Those men are literally me.

>>33548128
Human nature is having sex. Incel basement dwellers will never procreate, you're genetic dead ends.

>>33546655
There's people who don't care about the voice actress's private life, like it happens with anime VA, and there's people who care, like in the case of Rushia, because interacting with a vtuber that is telling you her life story every single day and reading your messages about yours is a much more personal experience than watching an anime.

But in EITHER case, if I'm watching, say, cute girls doing cute things, I don't want a fucking man to steal the show, which is what a collab is.

Collab with males, on the actual stream, is a much bigger and obvious problem than a voice actress's personal life (about which I couldn't care less, personally.)

>>33549364
>But in EITHER case, if I'm watching, say, cute girls doing cute things, I don't want a fucking man to steal the show, which is what a collab is.
Do you guys really think Kronii doing whatever she wants equals the whole collapse of a genre?

>>33548022
It would be funny if the real reason off all this is because the HoloEN representative went on passionate speech to the JP executives about the west being different and more profitable with mixed talents. Then face reality and currently is holding onto his pride, unable to face his superiors again with good papers. Meanwhile the japs executives are secretly having fun and ridiculing him in their usual way, waiting for the branch to go down before stepping in.

Companies do similar things when competing for promotions or extra rewards. Watch everything burn, then play the savior role. The main branch not indulging in mixed collabs already tell us those guys are aware of everything.

>>33549658
No, but it's a cancer that needs to be pruned hard and mercilessly before it spreads to everybody, killing the genre we like.

>>33548763
>Your proof is people upvoting a reddit post
Any streamer will tell you that there's a big drop-off when you ask people to go to another site to watch something.
That's the same for all the people complaining here, how many are actually watching and subbing?
Where's the actual data?

>>33549680
lmao I can picture them! you're probably right

>>33549901
>it's a cancer that needs to be pruned hard and mercilessly before it spreads to everybody, killing the genre
Yes, unicorns need to be killed off for the good of /vt/.

>>33549975
Mori can get 10k for a "big announcement" and Pekora can get 80k playing mobile phone gacha shit. QED

>>33545655
This, Goob, Moom and Fauna and IRyS left here on EN side

>>33550043
And why do you think that is?
Can you prove your explanation objectively?

>>33547364
I don't watch non-JP women anymore

>>33548233
Thank fucking god, I don't want to be mentally ill.

>>33550146
Mori does homo collabs. Pekora does not.

>>33550284
Pekora collabed with a fucking MONKEY

>>33550328
Monkey>>>>males

>>33550055
Why everybody always forgets KIARA? The most traditional idol in HoloEN, a staunch anti-male collab, and probably the most parasocial herself in the entire branch.

>>33550055
>goob
doesn't stream
>moom
doesn't stream
>Fauna
is getting better, her Skyrim stream last night was great atleast
>IRyS
doesn't stream

not looking too good for us when it comes to stream content, unicorn bros...

maaan, if you hate it pls just leave. suntzu always says the biggest form of hatred is ignorance

>>33550284
So?
Can you prove that's the reason why?

>>33550404
Im gonna sub to her RN just for you anon!

>go on twitter
nyoooo baloney my favorite youtuber need to be protected sisterssssss

>go in this shithole
I TOLD YOU GUYS THIS BITCH IS A TRAITOR

man I love this game, thanks for the content Kronii, goodluck on your decline.

>>33545393
Imagine.
Just IMAGINE
People feeling threatened
by a MALE ANIME CHARACTER

>>33545988
This, you love it when you see it

>>33550404
I cant catch her streaming hours anon

>>33550406
are you on bootleg YouTube? they all stream

>>33545734
Redditshitters should fucking move away
unironically twitterfaggots are more likely to watch streams

>>33545982
those “less than human” people that actually simp to their favorite idols get the final say in the matter, because donations are the backbone of an idol’s income.

when the money dries up, the idols that spurned them will come crawling back, or graduate.

>>33550393
Anon...he's a MALE monkey...

"i can do what i want" unfortunately works both ways. You can collab with males, i can leave. Only truly pathetic ppl in this situation are the ones who're pissed but continue watching or supporting

>>33545587
You fucking retarded? A couple upboated reddit or YT comments isnt everyone.

>>33546307
SEAMonkeys Lying again
>You don't have money to even buy Mems

>>33550043
>>33550284
>Pekora can get 80k playing mobile phone gacha shit
You heavily underestimate japans autism for gacha shit, especially a big one like FGO

>>33550662
SICK BURN

>>33550043
>>33550284
Mori and Pekora average nearly the same amount of views. Cope and seethe

I think it's funny that the most mentally ill parasocial schizos seem to think that not putting up with their bullshit will be the downfall of whatever vtuber they're obsessed with.
Only for the vtuber to be almost completely unaffected in both viewcount (most people aren't parasocial schizos like they are) and donations (parasocial schizos from SEA aren't the most financially stable or charitable people).

>>33549680
This is usual in japs business. They'll let the overseas manager grovel in their own drench of shit until they step in like a messiah. Looking at most JP, seems like they're keeping distance towards certain EN.
The restructure would be a bloodbath, they still hold a strong prejudice against gaijins managers even if they're in right or wrong. Just like Sega back then.
Well at least ID management set their shit straight most of the time (albeit a bit too orthodox in managing artists). They do fuck up sometimes, but at least they work quickly behind the scenes.

>>33546655
I know most of the hologirls have a boyfriend, but i don't care as long as they know how to keep their mouth shut.

>>33550871
Mori inflates her views with music. When it comes to streams she's much lower than Pekora.

>>33550871
>vods

>>33550916
>Just like Sega back then.
Sega (Japan) were the ones that ran their console business into the ground.

>>33550871
How about looking at amount of views per streams? Mori has tons of songs buffing her views (not to mention that views can be easily manipulated, too)

>>33550561
consistently, retard.

>>33549285
Ideas will flourish anyway, I don’t think you’re too stupid to realize this

>>33545587
That's because every other place will censor you for anti-feminist speech

>>33549285
Human nature is to rape and yet society puts restrictions on that, likewise it should put restrictions on women slutting around.
Our society doesn't and this is why it's going down the shitter and being invaded and conquered by peoples from societies that don't do that e.g. muslims.

>>33550662
>Cucked by a monkey
why live, nousagis?

>>33551039
just like I said, their opinions never change when it comes to any form of drastic change. But the situation is reversed in the case of Sega, HololiveJP is the SoA, and HololiveEN is SEGA (japan). Or should I say, similar to Sony SIE.
Out of touch with your home grounds, now they're losing to fucking Xbox out of all things just because they bent the knee for swapping O into X confirmation button.

>>33550905
>for the vtuber to be almost completely unaffected in both viewcount
I haven't looked at SC since it's pointless in the face of merch, but Kronii's median CCV AND VOD views cratered recently, what are you talking about? She went from Mumei's level (9-10k median) to below Fauna / IRyS's level (8-9k median)

>>33551304
I don't know what any of those numbers mean and don't care to know. She probably doesn't care about a minor blip either if it buys a drastic improvement in work satisfaction from being able to give a definitive "fuck you" to unicorns.

>she spent the last 2 weeks trying to convince cover to put out that statement

Spent the evening laughing at unicorns, it's been a great day

>>33545393
Why can’t EN audience just launch anti campaigns like the Chinese? Are EN viewers such huge cucks that they cant force a depressed canadian into graduation?

>>33551437
>I don’t know what median is
Kill yourself retard

>>33551532
thanks for your business
t. I have never watched this bitch since debut

>>33551481
Just to get a ´´Please leave her alone and if shit happens its not our fault ok? We are still friends right?´´

God the Kronii general is so depressing. There's a few goodbye posts sprinkled in with the coping clockcucks trying to become friends with the tourists that will leave in a week.

>>33551548
Because anti campaigns are unironically worse than what she's up to.

>>33545393
GAHH! WE'LL GIVE 'EM ALL OUT WAR, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW!

>>33551550
"median" is a word, not a number. Learn English, nigger.

>>33551532
Awesome! now focus in finally losing some weight bro, you know you need it

>>33551548
She’s surrounded by twitter folk and the wigger telling her everything is fine no matter what. She’s not a fujo, you don’t get through that.

>>33551617
Good, that general has been a fucking disaster since 1M after council debut.

She is out there to kill western vtubing.

>>33551669
>"median" is a word, not a number.
Uh...

>>33551617
It's pretty funny lurking desu. Was Ame and Bae's fans so submissive when they embraced tempus? Kronies are trying to tell themselves nothing's changed while letting the drama tourists lead them in whatever direction.

>>33551669
based

She’s such a dumb bitch to give these people attention. Should’ve just went ahead and did the collab without making such a big deal about it like with Bae and Roberu

>>33545587
Even here, actually, you are not that safe.
Find me a person who was outraged at fubuki's old holostars collabs.

>>33551617
honestly, they deserve it. /infinity/ has been the most schizo/discord circlejerk split out of all other HoloEN splits that I've ever seen. I see no other splits that talk about there fucking discord namefags more than the actual vtuber the split is fucking about.

>>33552000
Ame's fans prepared themselves beforehand, Bae's fans never had a problem with this in the first place

>>33545393
>kiara reacting to ukraine
>schizos turn it into nijisanji vs hololive
imagine

>>33551839
Based

Production Kawaii
gen 3

wtf is going on? What's kronii done now?

>>33545587
>mori losing viewers
>ame losing viewers
>kronii losing viewers
winning btw

>>33552290
i believe

>>33552290
kek

>>33552285
>Ame's fans prepared themselves beforehand
They did fuck all, Ame herself slapped them into kneeling in her first few months kek.

>>33552738
She keeps adressing the male collab thing with a ¨I´ll do what i want´´ tweet, the old Mori way

>>33553042
>I´ll do what i want
i swear this used to work

>>33552750
All of EN is losing views, it won't be long until they are under even the male collabing JPs

Ya'll fags are a bunch of gay homosexual queers.

>>33553103
Still does.

>>33545587
Everyone on twitter praises the Last of Us 2, but that doesn't change the fact that it's garbage.

>>33553335

>>33553304
not as effective though

>>33547097
judging from how often /vt/ memes are regurgitated and upvoted on twitter and reddit, yeah they're all here

>>33545393
The Vshojo girls in her replies are snakes in the grass not surprising.

>>33551009
>>33551056
But why does streams matter with Mori when it clearly isn't her main interest.

>>33546672
can't wait for HOLOLIVE QoS debut after that

>>33553492
That's INCREDIBLY disingenuous because songs are made to be replayed over and over and over again, while streams are often watched once or twice.

>>33552259
This, they unironically deserve it for being a literal faggot cesspool.

>>33545655
Botan literally collabs with men and returned a superchat from someone who complained about it retard

Re: culture war

I'm not a unicorn, nor a gachikoi. I buy memberships to my favorites (I have 2) because I enjoy being parasocial, but I don't have delusions about these girls.

That being said, I just unsubbed from Calli, Ame, and Bae (to which I'd been subbed since debut) because it's a matter of principle.

(Kronii I've never been subbed to because I can't tolerate her attitude)

>>33553404
Ame tried tardwrangling her chat and the shitflinging happened anyways, but now it's old news and nobody gives a shit. Kronii is just ripping the bandaid off so it'll blow over faster.

>>33553117
Yeah, and where do all those views go?
To Nijis, to Vshojos, to PhaseConnect, to indies. Look at all those Myth-main OC-makers during 2020-2021 going out and settling in different nests. HoloEN's especially Myth's downfall has been gradual but certain. It was never >muh male collabs, their content just became stale enough for people to change oshi.
Nature is winning. >We welcome a new age.

>>33545728
Mori really only has her JOP and female fanbase that still gives her money, but she's loaded and doesn't care. Kronii isn't rich and financially secure like her.

>>33551548
Because you losers are a huge minority and you'd only be making yourselves look even more pathetic than you already do

>>33553587
The prophet of council's downfall...

>>33553705
>losers
>he thinks he’s any better

>>33553705
Now you are against minorities?

>>33546133
>and viewers chose to donate anyway while knowing this.
Really? I didn't see any massive note proclaiming this during that stream. Basically false advertising.

>>33545734
>had 5 times more upvotes than the viewership total of all viewpoints combined.
Do you retards actually think most people watch Live? CCV =/= views you mouthbreather

>>33546782
Give an example like the guy asked for, bitch.

>>33551548
because west is freedom of anything, so canceling a woman to limit their interaction with males is against western values, it won't become a popular movement, while Chinese coco thing was aligned very well with the chinese government and values so it became a popular cancel movement

>>33553841
Cultural minorities made a choice.

>>33546595
Mea, but there's more to that story.

>>33553841
i'm against all minorities, unless i'm the minority

>>33545734
Anon, furries pay you mad bucks for commission. Wanna join them and draw some?
That's basically what you're doing.

I already unsubbed from Kronii, Calli and Ame a long time ago. Sharing space with a m*le is grounds for termination to me because it shows that they care more about cock than her own well being, which is incredibly stupid. And stupid people don't deserve money.

>>33553674
Teamates are the most cucked fanbase in EN. You can't use them as a basis to judge off.

>>33546655
>how does interactive media differ from traditional spectator media
OK retarded boomer
if you can't see the difference between a livestream and a BD of some random 20yr old anime then you've got more problems than your refeeding hairline.

>>33553736
ironic when nijien dudes literally tanked hard as fuck after the BFE femcels dropped them
guess it's a lesson to not pander to, let alone even acknowledge these types if you want to be in vtubing for the long run

These days I would be happier if my oshi graduates before something like this happens

>>33545393
Unicorns rope immediately

>>33551617
Its a bunch of catalog fags invading the thread

>>33545734
copium so anons feel like theyre actually doing something by bashing hololive

>>33553597
post a link and I'll unsub now

>>33554665
this anon is baiting you, she only 'collabed' with males in the sense that she played in fps tournaments against them iirc

If antis were smart they wouldn't attack Kronii, they should just stop watching her and anti Tempus, for that you need to choose the weakest member, and that is Vesper.

Anti Vesper in the name of Kronii, and she will become a menhera

>>33554238
If dropping them makes you recline isn't it better to just pander for 2-3 years then graduate a much richer person? For holoEN at least it's not like they don't take frequent breaks and cancel streams whenever they want.

>>33554032
So antisemitism is ok now? Islamophobia in non-muslim countries is ok as well? NICE!

>>33552259
Disgusting.

>>33545728
copium truly in its purest form.
Anons pretending to have hololive profit statements in their bookmarked tabs

>>33551669
I can already imagine how loud the dealer who buys the coconuts this anon collects every morning laughs after scamming him.

Jesus christ if only my business runs on happy thoughts and muh good feelings alone I'd not be watching vtubers for the lack of time to "make friends and have a good time at work". And my business does not even have stakeholders to please, too.

>>33553841
I'm against everyone in equal measure

Gura is honorary JP
Rest of EN is dogshit

>>33554773
If they're in it just for the money then what you're saying might be relevant. I'm not going to act like I understand what every vtuber does it for, but IMO the GFE/BFE seems to have pretty devastating consequences for those who play into it whenever they happen to upset their userbase.
Some people probably don't feel like toeing that line the entire time and would rather have an easier time just doing what they want.

>>33553687
In my case the views split between Reine (because she's cool) and Phase Connect (because they're cute and based!)

>>33546595
this dude really censored male, what kind of delusional fantasy land are you living in lmao

>>33545393
that will distract them from starting something silly like a class war.

>>33546595
I would rather be poor and happy than rich by pandering to you, l m a o

>>33555183
true, or be frank about it and don't play to the GFE/BFE
but some never learn

>>33555795
u might want to check out reddit

Parasocial relationships are a blight on the male mind, you are shitting yourself over some random egirl talking to an eboy here. Learn that these women do not care about you are never will, you are a tick the in the view counter and nothing more

>>33545393
I wish the supposed schizos that watch vtubers were real so someone would just kill this bitch. I don't even care that it would help her side, it would just make the world a better place.

>>33556977
This. Nothing good comes from being a fucking simp.

>>33557237
Meds

>>33551548
MY OSHI INTERACTED WITH A FUCKING MAAAAAAALEEEE is not the winning message you need to have a media campaign.

>>33554139
The guy who draws starfox characters fucking buildings has 2 houses.

I would absolutely whore myself out for money if I had the talent. If you were any good at something, you wouldn't be here.

>>33557352
>dull your awareness of reality so you'll accept everything you care about being raped
Nah.

>>33554665
>>33554710
There's one occasion where a guy bitched to Botan with a red superchat and Botan straight up went "There are better things to spend with that money, you can eat lots of food with that"

Dunno if she sent the money back though.

>>33557534
More like you need them because you have deluded yourself into thinking a woman you've never met somehow cares about (you) in some meaningful fashion.

>>33557587
God she's so based.

>>33557534
>losing your shit when an imaginary woman talks to an imaginary man
>"I am healthy and normal"

>>33554139
Man, if I could draw well and also wanted to have a professional career, I'd make sure to come up with a distinctively different style just for furry art.

So does unicorn mean anti-male collab now? Thanks Twitter/Reddit.

>>33557352
He's right

>>33554934
A stakeholder is anyone who is interested in your business for various reasons. Your customers are always stakeholders to begin with.
Stakeholders =/= shareholders

>>33557849
it's always been a part of the definition. Just recently has been the focal point of The Discourse. Unicorns just want their Oshi to make them feel special and get upset when they do anything that doesn't serve that desire

>>33557804
Didn’t know the members were actually AI all this time, thanks for the insight anon

Idol culture isn't a thing in the west, I don't know why fans are surprised EN members will collab with men.
99% of them are just twitch outcasts.

If you want Unicorn pandering then go to the JP side.

>>33554765
The homos are a virtually anti-proof branch, for all intents and purposes they should have shut down and yet they are still here. Plus Tempus actually has fans so that counterbalances any antis

>>33557636
What are you talking about, it's people on meds who ever trusted Kronii in the first place because their senses were dulled. I want one of them to come to their senses and kill her because it would show that good things can still happen in this world but I don't actually believe that will happen. Things will continue as they always have with these heavily-medded failed humans publicly harming themselves and then committing suicide when they realize nobody likes them. If just one of them realized there was another solution to this problem, it would be refreshing.

>>33557587
I’m pretty sure you can’t refund superchats

>I already unsubbed from Kronii, Calli and Ame a long time ago. Sharing space with a m*le is grounds for termination to me because it shows that they care more about cock than her own well being, which is incredibly stupid. And stupid people don't deserve money.

just move on bros

Kaela is the superior in the kronii like department
and streams everyday almost
doesn't do the GFE and expect other crap

>>33558000
This has unironically been obvious since day 1 to literally anyone

The Niji EN discord must be having a field day with this can't wait for the next leak

>>33557980
Kizuna AI, it was there the whole time Anon

>>33558064
Clearly fucking not when most of the EN members fans at least on /vt/ are filled with Unicorns.

>>33557587
Difference between Kronii and Botan is that Botan brings something to the table other than a distinctive voice and a cute model.

>>33558000
NOOOOOOO
THE HOT TIME MOMMY MUST DO THINGS LIKE I WANT
NOOOOOOOOO

>>33558000
Well A, I can’t understand Japanese, and B, I don’t have to with Fauna, Gura and Kiara

>>33558000
I mean, the most obvious thing is Japan itself doesn't believe idol culture belongs outside Japan so they purposely don't even build their foreign branches with that concept in mind. It's not that idol culture doesn't exist outside Japan, it's that everyone who engages it will have to rely on Japanese companies to get it. Yagoo himself who loves Hololive and Holostars being idol companies also thought Tempus needed to be different for the gaijin audience and not be idols and he thinks the same way of the girls in EN.

>>33558011
>"I want a woman to be murdered because she played a video game with a boy"
Jesus fucking christ thank God you guys are going to die virgins. You would be an awful, abusive boyfriend if any woman ever dated you. I'm glad the only thing you'll ever cum in is a gym sock because frankly, just you being able to watch a woman livestream is more than you should be trusted with

>>33558121
>distinctive voice
Literally just a bored monotone.

>>33558056
To me, it's more that those girls don't have much in-terms of entertainment value to offset collabing with males.

>>33546375
Good

jannies are faggots

>>33545587
When did we all start cheering for the dismantling of a woman's only space?

>>33558116
/vt/ is a containment board, only made to make /jp/ less shitty.

>What kind of loser gets upset about a vtuber collabing with guys??
The same kind of loser who'd waste money on a vtuber?

>>33545953
So what? Some people don't give a shit about your coomerbux and the way you try to hold people hostage with them.

>>33558181
learn nip

>>33558285
We hate women here.

100 views on next stream Let's go! Wrong choice there Kronii. She really sacrificed her career just for a male d!ck.

>>33554765
EN antis aren't real, this is obvious because they never do the things people actually hate like flood the feed with Tempus/Kronii hardcore sex pics or harass the boys so that Kronii feels guilty for it. The reason Mori loved her antis during the Connor thing was they took their anger at Connor out on her which allowed her to feel like a Jesus Christ figure and take on the hatred directed at her friends but if you direct that hatred at them and leave her unscathed, then it's completely different and a constant nightmare for her.

>>33558259
Cuckbeat Jeremy just deleted another Mori thread.

>>33558285
Around the same time we accepted men into female sports

It's just that oshi was an Ecelebs simp like mori.
Don't be so surprised.
Seriously, /vt/ is like 2ch 10 years ago.

>>33558201
I want her victims to get the justice they deserve in this life because there's not going to be another one and I don't believe in waiting until after people die to smear their names and rewrite their impact on history.

>>33558011
>>33557883
You keep acting like you're rooted in "reality" and logical, moral behavior but the only thing you've advocated so far is that someone needs to have a major psycho episode and murder someone else.
The only thing you've shown to believe in as "good" is some proposed nonsensical murder because you feel animosity towards some literal stranger woman that you and others have deluded yourselves into thinking is close to you.

>>33558489
>her victims

>>33546595
Kronii never did GFE or idol stuff beforehand, you schizo.

>>33558489
>I want her victims to get the justice they deserve in this life
These "victims" deserve dying forgotten and alone. That's the level of justice reserved for someone like these ""men"" crying and throwing fits because the 2d girl on their screen talked to a boy.

>>33558576
She definitely leaned into GFE

>>33558000
If mori's subs were only 500k, HoloEN would still be an idol group.
Imagine if she was a clown in myth

>>33554665
>unsub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HdYtFDD4Hc
do post proof

>>33558607
If they were of their right senses when they fell for her wiles, then I'd agree they should get publicly crucified (literally). But most of them were already broken and abused failures that she sucked dry and then tossed aside when she found new blood. I disagree with you that killing homeless people is morally neutral just because they are homeless.

>>33558724
Her antis only made her more powerful.

>>33558733
If mori was as smart as botan, Connor arc would never have happened.

Thanks EN management for throwing a spanner in the works, not like you had 20 years of idol history to draw experience on or anything that says this kind of thing is a dangerous play.
Imagine joining an idol company to not be an idol, fucking imagine. At least use Hololive to get into voice acting oh but your pride won't allow it or something. What a stupid series of decisions.

>>33558576
She never quite did GFE but she absolutely did revel in parasocial pandering just like Ame did. That's why this caused drama to begin with.

Who fucking cares about this culture war shit, it's Amerimutts' fault for not understanding that Japan has different sex cultures. I don't think people flipped their shits when Towa was playing with rpr during Apex, no? I'll just let my oshi do whatever she wants. Though my oshi is AZKi, so she's not very active

>>33558857
seems like we say this about any vtuber that doesn't collab with males. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason why female vtubers do these male collabs is just to shed themselves of the GFE/Parasocial label

>>33551009
>>33551056
>this cope so large it can be seen from space

THE CULTURE WAR STARTS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>33558784
I was a deadbeat until Feb, when she started REAPER BUSINESS and I left the community.
Why do I have to follow the roommate to become a fan of a Vtuber?

>>33558848
Idols do male collabs dumbass. For idols the ban was only on boyfriends, but even that is changing because people are tired of unicorns being out of control.

You assholes aren't idolfags, you don't watch any actual idols. You're mental hospital patients that need to check in.

>>33552000
Teacucks are still coping from the "and you will be ignored" comment.

>>33558784
>powerful
Fatter was the word you're looking for.

>>33558505
You're a fool if you think I have anything to do with Hololive. I'm just here to support my fellow unicornchads in their times of need.
>>33558530
He's right.

>>33558931
Ame did a bladerunner watchalong and joked about her viewers being like gosling. Kronii did ASMR. Note how we never claim Mori or Bae are parasocial. Kronii and Ame brought this on themselves.

>>33558742
>If they were of their right senses when they fell for her wiles, then I'd agree they should get publicly crucified (literally). But most of them were already broken and abused failures that she sucked dry and then tossed aside when she found new blood.
What an absolute victim complex on display. Depression is no excuse for shitty decision making. People have as much of a right to criticize you for simping even if you're depressed and lonely. Would you extend your same psychopathic reasoning to the BFE chuubas? Or are you just against GFE garbage?

>>33559015
Conversely I wasn't a fan of her until "SUGH", the controversies gave her better material.

>Cover hardly do any hololive events in the US apart from maybe an appearance at a crunchyroll event once a year to actually make them seem like idols
>And so the EN audience sees them more as video game streamers than idols
>So this is the talent's problem and not the company for failing to advertise them as idols and not video game streamers to the EN audience

>>33553613
glad to see you go

>>33559125
???
Idk if you're taking the piss or just agreeing with me but Mori has done tons of ASMR and Bae literally did a GFE stream for valentine's day this year. If anything you're proving my point that this board has no clue what GFE means and just uses it to describe whether someone collabs with male

>>33559057
Idols know their boundaries, they're even far more stricter than vtubers. Both female and male idols dont hide behind avatar and that gives them more responsibility towards their own set of fans.

>>33558904
Towa burned those bridges herself and even got in trouble once for lying that a male voice on her stream was Holo management. Just because JP generally is better doesn't mean it doesn't have its bad members. The difference is Towa and her kind are able to separate themselves from the rest of Hololive, they don't push their ways onto Aqua for example but EN/ID get outraged that men aren't in the Minecraft or Rust servers. This controversy will only build more and more as half of EN normalizes the idea Tempus is part of their same branch, it puts a strain on the EN's who disagree and even if all EN's were unanimous it would then put a strain on JP when they invite EN but only the girls when the girls don't make a distinction between themselves and the boys. Mori hates JP events for example but would be there in a heartbeat if the boys came along.

>>33553385
I mean I hate niggers as any reasonable human would but I love how this quote is intentionally out of context to talk about woke shit in media

>>33558387
If EN antis were real:
>Mori would 100% be gone
>Kronii would have already been gone for being gender fluid
>Mumei and Fauna would be gone right away
>Kiara would be gone
Etc, HoloEN antis ain't shit

>>33559168
If I subscribed to your view of the world where everyone is personally at fault for everything that happens to them, then I would always support the status quo whatever it was. Of course I would extend the same logic to the exact same scenario where the genders are reversed. I don't extend it to people like Bae or Ollie however because they never tried to deceive anyone into them being anything but the sluts they were.

Remember when that fat fuck streamed IRL sad and depressed, totally not real btw she's too strong. HAHAHAHAH

Go improve yourselves and get some of those female friends you are lacking, maidenless ones

>>33558193
People don't understand that even Nips know not to expect non-Nips to act like Nips or have Nip tastes

>>33559168
Then he and everyone else also has the right to criticize her for being ungrateful selfish whore who arrogantly thinks she made it to this point out of her own effort. Get a better argument or fuck off.

>>33559108
>I'm just here to support my fellow unicornchads in their times of need.
The message still stands regardless based on this admission. As long as you delude yourself into thinking these women you don't know like you, or owe you some form of relationship other than "streamer and viewer", you're already too far gone.
Getting upset to this degree over some stranger interacting with the opposite sex is literal mental illness. You aren't chads, you're whiney sociopaths.

>>33559323
>Mori hates JP events for example but would be there in a heartbeat if the boys came along.
Fuck, you're right. She wouldn't had participated in worms if Tempus wasn't in as well. If we ever get some sort of collab like Mori+Tempus+one of the holoJP members that collabs with stars I'll die laughing.

>>33558181
One by one they will give in, anon.

>>33558857
>Ummm guysssss... ummm don't ship me... Ummmm uhhhh don't ship me with males.... ship me with the girls.... ummmmm actually consent matters....

If that isn't pandering to GFE then I don't know what is. She's quite literally been attempting to walk on the thin line between GFE and GFE-abolishment for a while now and when she was finally called out for it after the Tempus collab, she got what was coming to her.

Either establish very early on that you're not earning Unicorn bucks or accept the consequences that follow up when you tread away from the thin line. This consistent "UMMM I LIKE THE SIMP BUX BUT I DONT WANNA COMMIT TO RESTRICTIONS!" shit is tiresome. It's dishonest and makes me lose all of my respect for the talents.

I don't care if she does male stuff - but the least she could've done was announce it in advance when she debuted instead of putting everyone on this false, empty promise of cutesy girl stuff.

Fuck Tempus and fuck people who associate with those grifters. They're all dishonest fucks who try to get money from the people they're vilifying. No one in the EN fandom asked for Tempus to debut and do this. Tempus was a decision by Cover and largely shoved in everyone's faces by Cover as well because they think they're market geniuses who can milk lonely men AND women instead of just men - and now they pay the price for it.

>>33558387
There are unironically less Holoantis after the Connor yab, like schoolyard bullies a lot of them quit after realizing nothing was going to change for them and they weren't getting the reaction they wanted

>>33558181
Kiara literally sucked cock for money in the past, lol

>>33559562
ELDENTARD stop playing video games they're not real go improve yourself

>>33559678
Tempus are not to blame for Kronii's Twitter posts fuck off

>>33559630
>whiny sociopaths
They always were, they have the same brainworms the kyoani fag had

>>33559557
Is that this month?
Anyway, she really thinks reaper business on Twitch is a venting, but her twitter proves that it makes her insomnia worse.
But deadbeats dismisses that theory. Sometimes I wonder if her real antis are fans.

>>33557924
yeah I brainfarted that my mistake but I still meant what I said, there's a point where you think you are making the correct business decision affecting your various stakeholder(customer) creating turmoil and unneccesary animosity from long time customers big or small. HolostarsJP are kept alive precisely because HoloJP brings in all the resources that enable them to overlook their less than stellar metrics and the stars know that reflecting in their attitude therefore not much was lost and even then it's isolated to only the same 5 holos that'd interact with them. Tbf I'm just concerned about the long term since I enjoy hololive as an escapism hobby and hope it lasts, despite all the big words and happy unity fantasies I see is that numbers are reclining, especially so for those who are favourable to this type of content (mori, bae, watson, ollie(here because she's went after the same audience EN has and not the IDchads of kobo)) that really doesn't assuage me it's safe to go their way.

I guess now we have another EN member to this case study.

>>33559630
Why don't you just admit you don't watch Kronii. You retards always pretend you are defending women generally by pretending every single one of them is exactly like the pure princess in your mind who never did anything wrong but Kronii's relationship with her viewers was nothing like Ina's for example. Nobody is under the illusion Ina likes her fans and she hasn't even collabed with males, you have to come back to reality and realize not all women are the same and there's nuance to each controversy.

Is anyone really surprised that Kronii was the one to push for this shit, her roommate is all about gender ambiguity and shit. At least Kiara respects what Hololive is about and didn't try shoving her own ideologies into the company.

>>33559783
They got exactly the reaction they wanted, the thing was, none of them liked Mori or Hololive so it didn't really matter. They had their fun and moved on. There was nothing driving them to continue. The person who made the picture she tweeted wasn't even a vtuber fan. He didn't like Connor.

>>33558904
Towa had a very infamous yab early on in her career where a male voice was heard on her stream. She somehow managed to recover from that, but since then nobody's really cared about her collabing with men. She doesn't really have her own unicorns, she's just an autistic retard who can sing well, likes to dance and plays way too much apex. If anything, many of the EN kenzoku enjoy the rpr interactions. Helps that rpr himself is a kenzoku and towasama simp.
The case of Kronii is completely different and it isn't really related to "sex culture." There are, in fact, other HoloEN members who can collab with males without people throwing a fit. Bae is most notable, but Mumei also collabed with stars along ago, the ID girls regularly talk to stars, etc, etc.
Kronii's problem is lying to her fanbase and backpedaling. She cannot take a stance and is too easily influenced by others (both her audience and her "friends") which keeps adding fuel to the fire. Like, it is almost Finana-level retarded that she said "idol cutlure is a thing" when some of her coworkers lean heavily into it to make a living. She needs to be tardwrangled.

>>33559125
I knew you were going to bring up ASMR. Just because some people can't listen to that without getting super parasocial doesn't mean that it should be defined as GFE. Some of us just really enjoy listening to soothing voices talking in our ear.

>>33559678
too long, didn't read.
Sorry, not sorry.
Try harder next time.

>>33558742
Take some responsibility for once in your fucking life, holy shit.

>>33559538
>If I subscribed to your view of the world where everyone is personally at fault for everything that happens to them, then I would always support the status quo whatever it was.
Not exactly what I was trying to tell you there, but I didn't expect you to not make up some more bullshit that I didn't say.
All I said was that you should be held accountable for your actions, even if you're depressed. Yes, that applies to you simping for virtual strangers just because you find their content interesting. That is until they talk with a dude, because you've deluded yourself into thinking they aren't human, but instead some thing you should be able to control to fix your depression or give your life meaning, apparently. How you think you don't need help is ridiculous.
>>33559585
>Then he and everyone else also has the right to criticize her for being ungrateful selfish whore who arrogantly thinks she made it to this point out of her own effort.
Most of this just reeks of you ascribing nefarious intentions to her actions just because you feel slighted by her choices. Again, this is a literal fucking stranger to you people. No amount of simping is going to ultimately make your life better or have more meaning, just because you THINK these people are involved with you outside of superficial interactions and money transactions.
And if we want to talk about people who "made it to this point", then we should be able to shit on you for becoming this delusional in your life to let the activities of a literal stranger hold this much sway over your emotions and/or mental well being, right? That should be a better "argument" for you to entertain.

>>33558733
She also never collabed with males ever since, doesn't give a fuck about Stars, is fully engaged in cgdct activities and likes to organize them, and pretty much told viewers how trannies are not allowed in Hololive since it's supposed to be an all-girls club.
https://youtu.be/Opvaa2tfZtU
Telling annoying unicorns to fuck off doesn't mean she doesn't love or respect Hololive's culture as a whole.

>>33560379
You sound like one of those retards who thinks free will exists. If there are no exceptions to when someone can be held accountable for their actions, then nothing can ever be criticized. You say the mental illness of the Kronii fans doesn't excuse their bad behavior but Kronii's bad behavior is okay because she is mentally ill? You're being completely arbitrary and hypocritical.

>>33559678
please continue to seethe and dilate

>>33560018
I don't get how you think I'm some mega Kronii simp through all this. My entire argument is that the schizos who've deluded themselves into thinking (insert streamer) cares about them need to stop with the make-believe.

>>33560330
What does me supporting those who can't support themselves have to do with responsibility over my life? Is it wrong to care for others besides yourself all of a sudden?

>>33560613
But nested in your argument is that streamers who purposely feed the delusion are victims. Your blind female worship is retarded.

>>33559678
Yagoo himself said Tempus are not the EN equivalent of Stars. Stars are aimed at a female audience but Tempus is aimed at a male audience, the same audience as HoloEN. That's why they market them as the same thing and the EN talents themselves don't see a difference between the groups.

>>33558576
>Kronii never did GFE
>has a dakimakura
kek

>>33545587
>everywhere
Western social media is an echo chamber, if you havent noticed already.
Revenue is the real metric for success that isn't immediately apparent.

>>33560963
>Yagoo himself said Tempus are not the EN equivalent of Stars
Source for that?
>That's why they market them as the same thing and the EN talents themselves don't see a difference between the groups.
Yeah that's why there are still EN girls who won't even acknowledge they exist two months after they've debuted.

>>33560963
>Yagoo himself said Tempus are not the EN equivalent of Stars
Sauce? Just curious.

>>33560236
Towa only rebounded by capturing the jp-fps community and right after pivoted into full comedy role in holo collabs while her solo streams are gachi-sterile content that doesn't do as good on metrics, not bottom mind you, but the missed potential that was there.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, infact it's very good thing because you aren't cannibalizing but instead adding more to the holobox but sometimes you could've had your cake and eat it too like laplus(now suiciding from trying to imitate ayame with 1/4th the effort put in first place, stupid brat).

Therefore what community is EN trying to tap into with this as seen in their efforts to "diversify", The nijinormies? Vshojocucks? The feel good crowd that'd fuck off after 2 and a half streams?

>>33561202
>>33561205
The 5th Year anniversary stream. It's broken down by sections so you can go to the part where he talks about Holostars and Tempus.

>>33560963
Too bad a lot of the male fans they initially had got chased out by females.

>>33561202
Gura is the only one who didn't acknowledge them last I checked but maybe there are others. If you are counting people like Kiara or Ina or whoever you are being disingenuous. They may not collab with them but still did what they were told and marketed them to their audience which inherently means they believe they should share an audience. When Hololive and Holostars are not marketed together, it's because it's believed they are aimed at two different audiences.

>>33547114
>prefers his oshi to suck 9000 dicks over just playing video games with a fellow vtuber.
lol lmao

>>33560553
>Telling annoying unicorns to fuck off doesn't mean she doesn't love or respect Hololive's culture as a whole.
That's the difference between her and someone like Mori; the latter doesn't respect the shit that gave her the success she was unable to attain on her on.

>>33559818
Bro I just want none of that shit on stream, related to their persona. Obviously none of them are virgins, I’m not that delusional

>>33561768
>did what they were told and marketed them to their audience
This never happened

>>33560553
Still waiting for the unsub. Also since /vt/ unicorns are apparently Cover's sole income according to you faggots, I'd also like to see how much money that one anon gave to Botan so far. For how self important you guys act, you've all spent at least six figures each, right?

>>33561877
When she sucks those 9000 dicks, one of them is the obsessed fan. When she's cumming to her collab partner and ignoring the audience, there's nothing in it for the obsessed fan unless he literally has a cuckold fetish.

>>33559999
I feel you, I don’t want this to just become regular streaming with anime avatars, for that I'd go to vshojo

>>33562024
Just say you don't watch them. Or are you saying they weren't told to do it and did it by choice because that isn't really any better.

>>33562041
Who said that unicorns are only on /vt/?

>>33562124
You made it sound like the girls were told to market them to there audience which is obviously not true when some girls will not even acknowledge that they exist.

>>33562101
>I don’t want this to just become regular streaming with anime avatars
That's what this has been for a while now. None of these sluts can pretend to be an anime character for longer than 5 seconds.

>>33561657
Never happened. Vesper still has male oil barons and a wall of male avatars on his stream. The other three have always had a ton of women fans. There are a fuckton of women in /mans/ now but you really have to learn that this place is irrelevant.

>>33562208
Well now you're being pedantic, they were encouraged to do it. Not threatened. Jesus Christ, calm down. Gura doesn't do anything she's told but you're delusional if you think girls were promoting the Homos despite having no intention to collab with them because they just spontaneously all came up with the idea on their own.

>>33562041
I'm not the unsub anon, nor a unicorn. Just wanted to make a rebuttal about Botan before she gets hijacked as some sort of icon by desperate homobeggars.

>>33546054
>The most important income is through merch. Guras plushy alone sold more than any other hololive merch collection IN TOTAL.
These are good points! Especially plushies are super popular with tons of people. I don't even watch Ina but I bought a Tako because its super cute.
>And she’s going to remain this successful because she doesn’t collab with males
And you lost me. Why will people stop buying plushies, keychains, because of male collabs? Daki I could see suffering but basically every other merch is not dependent on you thinking Gura is your girlfriend.

>>33562479
Being pedantic? You literally said they were told to tell their audience to watch them. Do you have any evidence of this whatsoever? Any timestamp of any of the girls saying I was told to tell you guys to check out Tempus? I'm not being pedantic I'm asking for proof for your claims that you seem to be just pulling out of the air.

>>33560552
>If there are no exceptions to when someone can be held accountable for their actions, then nothing can ever be criticized.
I don't agree with this statement for the most part. There are massive differences between depression and other mental illnesses, personality disorders, etc., and while some of these mean you are incapable of normal human interaction, I don't think many of them excuse murder like you/that other anon was arguing earlier. It's not the same as some literal retard literally not knowing better, the argument you've all put forward is that she's "preying" on "lonely men", or similar statements/implications. Why do you only excuse the actions of the people who delude themselves into making up this relationship? You're so utterly convinced that they are innocent, yet it's likely that they're operating under the ill conceived notion that they're forming a relationship with a streamer, even if that's not what was intended? Or do you claim to understand Kronii's intentions? You're replies certainly seem to show that.
This type of parasocial behavior isn't seen just in vtubers, or female streamers. It's also a ridiculous assertion and revisionism that Kronii's trying to cultivate the "needy, broken, lonely male" as her main audience.
>You say the mental illness of the Kronii fans doesn't excuse their bad behavior but Kronii's bad behavior is okay because she is mentally ill? You're being completely arbitrary and hypocritical.
Again, I'm saying the mental illness of people like YOU who can clearly understand the notion of common human morality enough to argue about it, are twisting it to the benefit of your group of self-attributed "broken" males/etc. by arguing that you believe these streamers have some form of "real" relationship or connection with their fans. They don't, it's entirely superficial, and in the case you're arguing, one-sided. And I haven't ever "excused" any actual act of streamers taking advantage of their audience, but it sure was convenient for you to make that assumption for your argument. Why should the streamer be at fault when some subset of "fans" get their expectations twisted of their own accord? Or is there no exception you can afford to the streamer, no "fan" that can take their one-sided affection too far?
The best solution for this entire situation would be for every party involved to move on.

>>33548022
Fuck, you might be on to something.