/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Calli produced the music
>EN not involved

Also I did not notice Gen 5 in the video, or was I blind?

>>3987635
Amelia would win on account that she can travel back in time and kill everyone's creators.

>>3987682
Yeah, aloe isn't there.

>>3987682
nah, no gokisei either. just zero~yonkisei

a lore faggot who made a whole fanfic discussed it, and it seems he was right

most of them are technically immortal

>Mori
Literally death herself
>Kiara
Can't die lol
>Ina
has the favor of the old gods
>Amelia
Literally has infinite alternates to the point she's a concept, you kill one just replace her with another
>Gura
Cursed with eternal youth from her fallen kingdom by her dad

How the fk do you kill these retards, they're literally mythical

>>3987682
It seems likely that we get these and no more for now.

>>3987635
They're not included because they were all slain before season 1
You'll get a depressing, Fate ZERO style prequal season sometime in the Future about how they all died

>>3987846
>mythical
heh

>>3987846
Hey someone actually read my dumb rant, but don't call me faggot nigger

>Death itself
>Cthulus daughter
>Phoenix warrior with final form she's not allowed to activate (unknown powerlevel)
>Batman with a time machine
>a fucking fish

Yes they are the strongest, unless you take the "goddesses" like Moona to be god tier, but we all know gods are weak as fuck in jap mythology/religiom, whereas chad western myths are ruthless powerlevelfaggotry

>>3988042

thats princess fish to you faggot

>>3987635
Ina, she has the power of The Great Dreamer

>>3987846
>how the fk do you kill these retards
With my dick.

>>3987846
Ame's time travel being based on many worlds blows power scaling out of the window, doubly so if you bring in quantum mechanics autism.

>>3987846
Didn't that Alton guy write an entire power-ranking for his own fanfics? (That's how he ended up being found out -since he left his name in). Anybody got it?

>>3988042
Gura is princess of Atlantis you fagg,
Poseidon is her daddy...
A damn Demigod

>>3987846
>Cursed with eternal youth
>Cursed with eternal cunny

ftfy

>>3987846
Kiara should be the easiest to get rid of, even if you can't kill her for good. In her original lore when she respawns she goes to different dimensions, and she also said in her second debut stream after being banned that it was unusual for her to stay in the same world after respawning. I dunno if she's changed her lore since then, but if it remains as it originally was you just have to kill her and forget about her, even if she does respawn she's someone else's problem.

>>3987846
If HoloEN 2 is just a bunch of cow people or some shit I'd be disappointed, HoloMyth can arguably wipe out the whole roster even if it's just calli and ame

>>3987862
isn't that just sora?

both Ina and Kiara have true forms but Gura is just a cheeky cunny, she doesn't look very strong

>>3987846
>Gura's father cursed her with eternal youth

BASED cunnyisseur Dad

>>3987635
No. Haachama is on top, because literally no one knows what she is capable of, herself included, but apparently she can't be killed, can time travel and seems to exist in several parallel universes simultaneously.

>>3988526

If we're using her father as a scale, she literally have the authority of the seas and all that is born of the sea (water shit kek) the lore faggot referenced polytheistic god of the seas, and holy shit they're overpowered

>>3987862
So Mel, Suisei, Luna, Towa, Aki, Subaru, and Haachama got shafted? Also who's the bright red silhouette?

>>3988406
kill her, scatter her ashes in four world's directions

>>3987635
Would be neat if they were a group of bosses/antagonists but realistically cover is just retarded.

>>3988706
Marine

>>3987846
>Mori
Only kills people who are dying anyway so she's actually completely harmless
>Kiara
Seal her in ice
>Ina
Destroy the book
>Amelia
Steal her watch and use it to force her to come in contact with herself from other timelines, creating a paradox that erases her from the multiverse
>Gura
Can't die of old age but can still be killed

>>3987846
Based Gura dad

>>3987846

If the 5 of them had a battle royale, who would win?
what's even the win condition, only thing i can see is stalemate

Gura's curse literally doesn't allow her to age or bleed, death doesn't even apply to amelia, Ina is just cheating with god powers, Kiara literally cannot die

>>3988341
big iron > everything else

>>3988802
Gura's authority doesn't allow her to bleed, not a single drop, best way to kill Gura is probably make her kill herself, which is ironic

>>3988341
Tbh I'd curse Gura with eternal youth too if I was her dad

>>3988870
then she goes to Hades and Poseidon is like:
Hey yo, brother i want my girl back

>>3988831

i honestly can't think of a way, mori's death authority barely apply to any of them

so maybe the answer is this >>3988218

>>3988802
>Steal her watch and use it to force her to come in contact with herself from other timelines, creating a paradox that erases her from the multiverse
That's not how time travel fucking works god FUCK

>>3989031
time travel never works anon

>>3989031
They'd be lucky if its just multiple timelines of amelia, God forbid its alternate universes with their own infinite timelines

they wouldn't even stand a chance at that point, Amelia's lore dictates she has possessions of artifacts from multiple worlds, if enough of them worked together even mori would have problems

>>3989031
"time" isn't even a real thing lol. you may as well made up the concept of how the travel works, aside from the linear frontward one of course

>>3987635
>Is this also why they don't include them in alt?
Lack of funds.

>>3989124
It is theoretically possible to travel back in time if we find a way to exceed light speed

>>3989281
i ain't talking about plausibility, but find me a story that had time travel and didn't have some gray area around how it works and what is/isn't permitted to happen.

>>3988802
Ame's actually already covered that in a event in which she loses her Pocket watch another Ame from a different timeline will come to replace or return it to her.

But yeah, that's also not how that works.

>>3987846

What JP or ID gen can stand up to them lorewise

>>3987635
They would be villains
Amelia would be the comic relief [/spoiler

>>3989458
Moona at most since she's a literal goddess right?

Honestly i think that might be in unless someone is deathly afraid of humanoid squirrels?

>>3989458
Moona is a moon goddess and Shion looks like a capable wizard in the PV

>>3989500

they'd be glad if she was comic relief, her time (HoloLive) alternate capabilities is only limited by imagination

>>3989529
>>3989537

I can see moona doing some damage with her divinity smiting, but so long as Calli and Amelia is in the ring I can't see her doing any significant harm to Ina (lol as if), Gura (can't bleed), or let alone Kiara

>>3989458
Moona is a moon goddess, Towa is a devil, Kanata is an angel, Suisei is a comet, Miko has the favor of the gods, Shion is a witch, Ayame is an Oni, Rushia is a necromancer, Coco is a dragon.
Now how powerful they can or cannot be really depends on your imagination.

>>3988406
I remember her saying some shit along the lines of if you kill she can't just 8 sec like wtm, sometimes it takes days or months and at worse years her average respawn rate is every 100 years

But Huke hasn't allowed her to power up so we don't know what her upper limit even is

>>3989684

but can even harm any of the 5 assuming the 5 is working together, they wouldn't do shit if Mori doesn't allow them to die, that's even assuming they can make them bleed a single drop with gura in the field, and that's under the notion that Ina's whole roster of God doesn't make the play.

AND STILL, assuming everything at the top was still overpassed, Amelia can just reset the timeline and do a redo like a cheating cunt.

>Calli is a reaper with hip-hop/funky style
She'll be right at home in Bleach or Soul Eater.

Easily Calli. She might not be Death itself but she's still a cosmic-level being who can kill mortals at a moments notice. After her, Kiara; literal immortal.

The other three are somewhere below them, but Ina wouldn't be as high as everyone thinks. She's a regular girl who is a conduit for Cthulhu-esque beings; she isn't one of those beings herself.

>>3989861
>Ame
>bellow
Time is literally the most broken ability anyone can have EVER, look at every cape shit and anime where some one has power over that shit.

Ame is in commune with other Ame's, She can simply out last Calli by going forward in time to where everyone is dead so the "concept" of death ceases she could literally drag Calli to the edge of the heat death of the universe or throw her in the big bang.

Gura is a demigod and part MEG she is the most APEX creature of the sea, and most LC gods are broken as fuck even if Ina is a human them allow her to use even a fraction of their power would be ridiculous.

>>3989165
>even mori would have problems
if Mori is an death apprentice and Gura is daughter of Poseidon, we could say Death in Holomyth is Thanatos or equivalent, so Mori ain't that hot shit, especially when we take in inspiration for Cthulhu, that comes from greek "Chthonic" and equate him to a titan.
Kiara even being phoenix would be explained in greek mythos, as it's connected to Greek-Egyptian relations and it's origin stemming from deity Bennu,

>>3989999
Holy shit quints.

But just because Ame has access to a time machine doesn't mean she can go full control reality at will with it. Honestly she seems to use it for nothing more than keeping herself young.

Gura could be Poseidon him-fucking-self and she'd still be below Death and Shub-Niggurath.

Here's my anti-Holomyth team

Counter to Calli: Rushia (Necromancer)
Counter to Amelia: Roboco (Infinitely Learning AI)
Counter to Kiara: Coco (Dragon lol)
Counter to Ina: Miko (Priestess vs Priestess)
Counter to Gura: Ayame (Cursed Blade)

Idk maybe it'll work

>>3990231
I doubt Death herself wouldn't have much trouble against a necromancer. Calli could probably snap her fingers and Rushia's own skeletons would rip her apart.

>>3990231
I'll pitch Festival against Gura. Shark needs some raping to bring her to her senses.

>>3990076
Depends on if we do a bit of cross mythologies and theologies etc. In Greek the three brothers are pretty much equal in power and relms meaning Gura (Poseidon) = Calli (Hades).

just an theory i'd throw in for fun so she doesn't get completely mogged by the other 4

>>3990231
I doubt Death herself would have much trouble against a necromancer. Calli could probably snap her fingers and Rushia's own skeletons would rip her apart.

Princess rushia> calli she has the power to bend death

These are literally type moon power level arguments

>>3990347
Why do you hate fun?

>>3990231

>rushia
anon I...
>Roboco
I can see that happening, assuming roboco is smart enough to figure out the technology
>Coco
Kiara respawns anon
>Miko
what god will she call Jesus? Amaterasu? bro they're kids compared to Eldritch beings
>Ayame
I've read about cursed blades in japanese literature like the muramasa etc., but that's only assuming you can even approach Gura before she pulls every liquid out of your body

>>3990344
What's better? The power to revive the dead or being death itself? Seems a little lopsided, don't you think?

>>3988706
The kaiju luna would be too strong unnaa.

>>3990390
What evidence do you have that Gura is some god-tier hydrokinetic? Based on what I've seen, she's an adolescent Atlantean with a normal trident and a mangled tail.

Time travel is literally the most busted ability imaginable. Ame could prepare for any situation just by using her ability to see what is going to happen in the future - so she could essentially cook something up for any circumstance she would have to face. If the person she's fighting isn't a mythical being then she could just go back in time and stop them from being born. If all else fails and she does get killed, an Ame from another timeline could travel to the present to exist in her place "Hello it's me, Ame, I'm back again".

It's a broken power that once introduced into some kind of fiction can't be stopped. Unless you pull some Madoka shit and somehow kill every Ame that ever exists in the present and past all at once. Her only real weakness is that, as an individual, she is the weakest of the bunch because she's just a normal human.

>>3990344
Can you bend the laws of life and death when you're dead?

>>3990076
Ina having the goat power is aiming low she could awake azatoth and end everything with it

>>3990490
>This

>>3987635
Gura seems to be the most kill-able but I think she can use her charm to win most fights

>>3990231
>Gura commands hude flood and drowns Ayame

>>3990490
I seriously doubt Ina is some kind of herald of the end times. She has a book that can summon certain low-level Outer Ones, and not even all of them. When she busts out Yog-Sothoth like he's making an appearance at a birthday party, let me know.

>>3990457
anon they're all vtubers
but assuming you're giving me the benefit of the doubt, normal atlanteas live for 80-100 years anon, mostly same with Humans, assuming we're giving the lore faggots some room Gura is literally cursed with eternal youth being a 9000+ year old being, and looking at polytheistic mythology its mostly Gods who do that, I hope I answered your question

>>3987846
>How the fk do you kill these retards
Lulu

>>3990428
necromancy is the power over death itself

>>3990470
Pink rushia is not dead tho but she can bring as many dead things back to life as she wants to literally giving her middle finger to calli who serves death

>>3988831
>>3988870
Where does this Gura can’t bleed thing come from?

>>3990538
the bitch calls chtulu tako my guy, idk about you but ill fking eat her shit if I have to, to survive

>>3990470
uuuuhhhh, you ever heard of liches?

>>3990552
No it isn't. Necromancy is the power to magically animate corpses. If every back alley necromancer could command the entity that is Death, don't you think that would cause some logistical problems with reality?

>>3990616
i mean the concept of death, not entity

>>3990542
If guras has herculean strenght or theseusistic skills since she's a demibeing and she has poseidon trident she could fucking destroy the world, hercules changed earth landscape

>>3990606
old stream

>>3987635
Only Mori and Kiara would be in the "Top" of the power-rankings of any full Holo-verse, while Ina, Ame and Gura all would still fall pretty high.
Most of the girls were only established with the 'idol' concept in mind, so before Gen 3, this wasn't a factor.
Then again, if you're willing to explore further concepts of special abilities and matchups, it really could be a "rock-paper-scissors" situation where one pairs up better than the others:
Miko is a Shrine Maiden and while physically weak, can banish spirits. While she'd get mogged by the likes of Gura and possibly Kiara, she'd be OP against Calli and Ina for either constraining their abilities, or outright banishing them from the battlefield.
As a unit though? Holomyth would theoretically be utterly unstoppable with their abilities and team synergy.

>>3990606
Poseidon, same with Zeus had Hydro Kinesis, you can say its a flawed logic, but given enough "fun" room and assuming Gura really is the living daughter of Poseidon or someone like him, she would have the capacity to halt any bleeding.

Or maybe the lore faggots made it the same with Baldur, who was cursed with immortality and pseudo invulnerability to the point he is not allowed to be hurt let alone bleed

Does Ina have a restriction on her ability to summon Old Ones? Because if not then every single person on the roster is fucked. Killing Ina after she completes her ritual wouldn't do a goddamn thing.

>>3990705
why nobody remembers that Gura is a demigod...

Dont forget that calli is a shinigami there are some of them and she herself said she's an apprentice of death sensei

>>3990748
well Achilles was almost that...

>EN has top tier powers
>Meanwhile, ID only got a treerat, an alien, a moon goddess, a peacock, a zombie and a mystical dagger

>>3990748
Kek baldr dies from kusa arrow

>reading this thread about Gura

Is Gura's dad a savior fag? I mean I don't blame him for literally protecting his daughter, but come on

>>3990814
Ollie can't die but if you dismember her she won't be of any use. The only other one worth talking about is Moona, but her status as a "moon goddess" is pretty suspicious. Like, what powers does that confer her? Can she control the tides? If so, Gura's fucked.

Valkirye holo when? We need one

>>3990464
>>3989453

*disbands HoloMyth*

>>3990844
Gura has poseidon trident she controls the tide

>>3990844
Moona is like those moon bitches from Touhou, not the Eintei ones, the Lunarians

>>3990820
it's greek mythology, if god's favored you, you were basically permitted to rule the world as long as you didn't overshadow the gods, or went against their wishes.

>>3990844
>what powers does that confer her?
If we got unrestrained? This
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Lunar_Embodiment

>>3990879
I feel like an argument could be made that a magical trident would fail against a literal deity.

>>3990889
>Moona literally carrying the lore and the branch

wew

>>3987846
>>Kiara
>Can't die lol
Isn't Kiara's reviving power would just transfer her to another world? If she wants to stay on the same world then that power is useless.

>>3990902
Some magic tools are literally forged to kill or overpower deitys anon

>>3990876
What's Yagoo's powerlevel? If any of the holos were to go against him, will they fare well against him or will they bid farewell?

>>3990902
If all else fail, just push the Ame button

>>3990889

>>3990753
There's no further exploration of her lore just yet, but she's still a "Priestess" and not a "High Priestess", so it's assumed she's still not at the top level of Eldritch summoning or synergy just yet.
That being said, seeing her affinity to the Old Ones already, she might be able to have a form that transcends her ability, yet becomes a mere vessel rather than controlling the powers herself.
>>3990814
>only
ID2 has some fun concepts to explore, like an undead soldier with unlimited stamina and increased strength, a cursed living blade with enhanced cutting abilities, and an skilled mage that accidentally warped herself into this dimension.

>>3988243
Not if we're talking about the individuals power, even if an amelia from another plane comes to the one he one we're talking about got killed, she still got killed and there is one less world with amelia in it, meanwhile death herself will not die no matter what. Even if you go back in time before Amelia death, the plane of existence where Amelia died still exist and continue to do so, the one we're talking in right now, where it matters. Amelia power only exist in her own reality, in the end.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.

>>3990963
her being a priestess is enough to end the world, one ritual and the old ones wake up

>>3990950
This isn't Hine's Blood we're talking about. We're talking about a knock-off Neptune trident. Not the real thing, mind you, but a duplicate.

Further, Gura's status as Poseidon's daughter is fanfiction. She never says anything about that. In fact, she straight up says that she wouldn't be welcomed back to Atlantis. If she is the daughter of a god, her dad has disowned her, possibly stripping her of her powers.

>>3988870
Or inject her with a substance that kills without causing bleeding like a neurotoxin.

>>3990984
infinity -1

hmmm you're right anon its 1 less now

>>3990984
Plus, if Amelia got killed, that means no matter what any other Amelia try there is no possibility of saving that dead Amelia ever.

>>3991010
Or take her head off. She might not bleed but I assume she still needs a functioning brain stem.

>>3991010
She might be the easiest to kill but that's only because of the competition her gemmates give.

>>3989684
Aren't Fubuki and Mio also Shinto deities?

>>3987635
They could literally be superbosses.
>Mori is a DPS race that spams AoE, cleave, instant death and fast as fuck.
>Amelia is a puzzle boss that constant spams time statuses, and constantly threatens to reset the entire fight. As the fight progresses, her reset upgrades to sending you back to the start of the dungeon instead. Her final attack, which she has to be defeated before she finishes casting, will send you back to the start of the game.
>Ina has insane endurance, insane power, constant tentacle adds, and can drive your party members insane at a moment's notice.
>Kiara, while initially dying easy, will constantly revive with increasing power. Her final forms will be able to cast Supernova that will insta wipe unless interrupted.
>Gura will...try to poke you with her trident. With all of her might.

>>3991049
Ame's the easiest to kill. Even if she has a million time duplicates scattered across different timelines, Amelia herself is just a human.

>>3990996
Thats a valid point desu

>>3991036
The infinity room hypothesis solves this, so long as every amelia cooperates with the equation the principle of infinity will fix this issue of -1 amelia in the timeline or multiverse

>>3991032
>>3991098

If we want to keep the subtraction meaning in that example, it means we're using surreal numbers in which case, using μ as a transfinite surreal number then, μ−1 < μ but μ−1 is still transfinite, just inferior.

In general, then, a transfinite number minus one is still a transfinite number but the result depends on which transfinite number we start with and none of those transfinite numbers are the intuitive notion of “infinity” of course.

>>3990991
We don't know the extent of the "Old Ones" in the Holo Universe, so all we know Elite-Mode Miko and Kanata could OHKO any Eldritch horror that wakes up.
That being said, setting and personalities can also be thrown into the mix, so context is important. What situation in a Holo v Holo matchup would warrant the ENTIRE WORLD to be destroyed? From what we've seen so far, everyone seems to be having rather friendly sparring matches, and menacing tests of strength at worst.
Ina certainly wouldn't want to unleash mutual assured destruction just to "beat" a friendly opponent, unless you want to introduce HoloEN as the villains of HoloAlt.

>>3990996
>Further, Gura's status as Poseidon's daughter is fanfiction. She never says anything about that. In fact, she straight up says that she wouldn't be welcomed back to Atlantis. If she is the daughter of a god, her dad has disowned her, possibly stripping her of her powers.
rrat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdyBnMYEoMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-GYhC0Wt0

>>3991090
>million

infinite anon, infinite, everyone of them having the capability to alter time, and each of them garnering world level artifacts

she's the holomyth protag for a reason, she can fight toe to toe with any of the 4

>>3991125
If Ina doesn't bust out a fully manifested Old One, she doesn't have much going for her. Her tentacles aren't particularly strong or dexterous, and though she can apparently have any number of them, she herself is still a skinny Korean girl.

Reading this thread made me realize that my oshi is just a fucking dog with allot of endurance

>>3991176
Korone would be good for reconnaissance, anon. Not everyone can be a world killer.

>>3990557
Sure, but this is a battle between Calli, literally deaty incarnate, and Rushia. Unless Rushia's god level like some super op gods, Calli can and will always be able to take her soul.

>>3990615
You can kill liches. Fairly sure they're just undead necromancers, but you can take their soul or whatever

Point is, unless Rushia can revive herself in soul form, it's just going to be an endless battle. This isn't even supposed to be a discussion, Rushia can just revive dead people, Calli literally collects souls and all that shit.

>>3991176
isn't she a giant like a skyscraper?

>>3991196
According to her TvTropes page, Rushia is a "demon necromancer", whatever the fuck that means.

>>3991133
>poseidon's my dad

well fk

>>3990814
You're doing better than Gen 1 (as opposed to Gen 0). Matsuri is literally just a high schooler. Haachama's 'powers' are more in her head. Hell, you're doing better than Gen 4 arguably.

>>3991196
yea, try killing a lich that has 999999 power liches in her army

>>3990076
Poseidon is easily the strongest of the 3. The Greeks hat intense reverence for the sea. He's also associated with the earth, as he is the God of earthquakes. Zeus is the top dog because his domain is everywhere, but while Poseidon isn't quite everywhere, he holds influence over the seas, earth and the winds. And his Roman alter ego is elevated to a straight up horror, since the Romans were terrified of the sea.

Hades' domain is more abstract than the other two, the chthonic isn't literally "below ground". And while there are stories of people physically going to Hades, it is a more conceptual place, like a separate plane of existence, as suggested by the rules associated with it.
Of course this was too wishy washy for the Romans, so Pluto was made into the god of the literal underground on top of being an underworld deity.

>>3991231
That's not true. Mel is a Daywalker. That puts her on a tier with Dracula himself.

>>3991133
>Poseidon's My Daaaaaad~
This is clearly a reference to 'my uncle works at Nintendo' anon. If you want to think she's related to Poseidon in your own fanfics, go for it, but that doesn't make it fact.
That second vid doesn't have any mention of Poseidon at all, but it's one of her cutest moments to date, so you get points for posting it.

>>3991250
Hololive HoMM3 tournament when?

>>3991218
>tv tropes
holy shit dude

>>3991271
watch second clip

>>3991231
Gen 4 has a dragon, angel, devil, princess? And an immortal goat

>>3991250

ENTER INA

Cali
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Grim_Reaper_Physiology
Kiara
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Phoenix_Physiology
Ina
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Eldritch_Physiology
Gura
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Shark_Physiology
Ame
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Archetype:Time_Traveler

Go nuts

>>3988297
>alton
You mean that guy that got screwed over by Ankimo?

>>3990876
But that will lower his own power level though

>>3991304
We saw most of them in the Alt video. Kanata fell from Heaven and just kind of splatted. Coco, though a big-ass dragon, isn't some kind of super being. She was getting murked by your average D&D party.

If we're using the HoloGraffiti skits as references, Towa is basically powerless and random children demons are sent to make sure she isn't fucking up on the surface anymore than she already has.

>>3991133
Does the Poseidon of Greek mythology work at BHVR? No? Then it’s not the same Poseidon. Case closed

>>3991271
anon everything in this thread is based on every remark they said, you're really being unfair to us by cherry picking the said remarks even if they're jokes, mainly because they dont really give us specific undertones to their lore, so It's best in under any assumption to assume Gura is Poseidon's daughter

I think rushia turns into a shinigami being like when her hair turns into pink she be looking alot like calli pink hair black clothes red eyes

>>3991330
>powerlisting
>not stream lore
plz go back

>>3991231
>Gen 4
>Dragon, Angel, Demon, Sheep Bard, Baby
I think the first 3 alone alongside Watame for team support would be good. Also, I feel like Luna would have some of those Zany "Imagination turns real" Space/Time powers that would make her an absolute nightmare to deal with.
Like a "Mite" being from the DC universe.

>>3991362
Poseidon work's in BHVR, the remark insinuates Poseidon is his father and knacks the meme about my dad works at microsoft etc. Anon I assume I don't have to explain to you cultural context and how jokes work

>>3991406
Luna can do that. She has a Holo no Graffiti skit where she can literally will anything she wishes into existence. In fact, the other girls fear that she will wish to destroy the planet accidentally, and all of them believe her doing so would work.

So... Luna's actually a cosmic-level reality warper. Case-fucking-closed.

>>3991218
Demon necromancers still have souls. Fucking gods.

>>3991250
I won't even bother.

BEHOLD!!! The ultimate Gura counter, a child rapist!
Dies to all other EN though

>>3991362
coping hard i see
literally has a Poseidon's trident, you think some "Atlantian Who" would get away with stealing it?

Kanata is the only I can see doing any dent to these 5

>>3991440

>>3991455
If you have to append that with "A" then it's not "THE" Poseidon's Trident. It's a replica.

>>3991440

TOPKEK

>>3991440
When he gets all serious doing his fighting cry lolilolilololilolilolilolilolilolil hes unstoppable

>>3991484
stop reaching, it's me sucking at english...

Ame is so powerful that she can simultaneously ground pound every mother in existence

>>3991467
Why? Kanata has no power of note. She can even get her wings torn off casually. Her halo is a shuriken though, so I guess that's something.

>>3991362
Come on anon, even I got the joke that His dad works at the game dev's company, you don't have to push that hard

>>3991484
Zeus also doesn't have just one Lightning Bolt. He throws them out like candy.

>>3991549
Inhuman strength she could even be an arch angel

>>3991542
I hate that I can refute this

>>3990527
>evaporate all of your waters like it's fucking nothing

Why is everyone forgetting Kanatan? She’s an angel which means she is pretty powerful, not on the tier of a god but much more powerful than any human especially looking at biblical feats

>>3991605
Do you have any idea how much fire you would need to evaporate the entire ocean, anon?

I don't either. I'm asking because it seems unreasonable.

Haachama is an unstable schizo who seems to have some level of power over time and reality, she could probably take Gura at least.

>>3991605
what even is that? if fire, sorry dude but by pure nature attribute water beats fire

>>3991605
Jp deitys are kinda weak tho... Just saying

>>3991627
Just throw the child rapist at it, no ayame needed

>>3991434
You don’t get to pick and choose what is and isn’t a joke. See
>>3991271
Both comments could have conceivably been jokes and you have no way of proving otherwise.

>>3987635
Chaama is the strongest idol.
>Defies death
>Was isekai'd, converted an entire world to haachama
>Clawed her way back to our world through the mind of her sister.

>>3991612
Kanata fell from heavens the only one i know that got yeeted from there... Plus her halo looks like a star....

>>3991286
I did, and she's talking about her Dad "in Atlantis" referring to the shimmering as Paparazzi.
There's no mention of Poseidon at all (which is what I said) not that it didn't mention her dad, or Atlantis.
>>3991360
>us
It wasn't a specific reference to her Lore though, brought up in passing during her intro or even related to a side-story about her family, but simply a joke established by her preceding statement that 'Poseidon is gonna get you baaaaaanned~".
Hell, Calli outlines her 'reaper family' in better detail than we know Gura's, and that's perfectly fine to keep it open ended for interpretation, like YOURS. However, don't assume that YOUR sole interpretation is enough to warrant fact, and stifle others interpretations with your own assumptions.

>>3991701
Kanata is Lucifer confirmed.

>>3991679
>You don’t get to pick and choose what is and isn’t a joke. See
you also don't

>>3991727
I’m also not the one arguing that Gura has god powers based solely on what could have very easily been a joke. Anyone who wants to do that needs better proof

>>3991612
is there even any fixed "canon" power for angels? there seem to be a lot of them, and some of them are straight up fuckinf ridiculous like in evangelion for instance.

>>3991351
Most holos are strong on a typical fantasy level, holoEN is the exception with their shit
Hololive fantasy is basically just a DnD party as you mentioned, with their strongest adversary probably being Coco or maybe one of the higher plane beings that aren’t from EN

>>3991304
>>3991406
>Angel
Her access to her divine powers, if any, are debatable. Still formidable, but not a blowout.
>Devil
Same deal except she just bad at being a devil. Does she even have powers?
>Luna
Ehh, I could some galaxy starlight theme with her powers. Also she falls to a stiff breeze.

>>3991435
You also had a skit where the earth was destroyed, is that canon too? That happened once and it didn't even seem like it was under her power. She probably gets cosmic favors like that all the time, but they're just that, favors.
>>3991269
As far as anyone knows, she could be as powerful as Count Chocula.

What does being related to Poseidon even supposed to matter? Polyphemeus was Poseidon's child and he still got his ass blinded.

>>3991679
>First said in jest and related to popular memes based on toxic gaming culture she's clearly referencing
>Second comment has her reference a specific event in her childhood 'in Atlantis' with her father, talking about a unique memory to her and her past experiences
Want to keep trying?

>>3991709
>>3991727

both of you are confusing me with this lore authority fagging, I'll just stick with the fanfic niggers and say Gura is the daughter of a deity, or an atlantean cursed with immortality

>>3991789
Angels are quite literally just messengers.
They go from "almost as strong and big daddy G himself" to "dominion over one specific abstract thing" to "weak"

>>3991784
>No! You can't believe something I don't approve

Anon... Just stop, three or four of you retards are ruining this thread, if the bitch or fag wants to believe in something let him, just stfu it's pathetic this thread is enjoyable without your faggotries

>>3991823
she can still be both you idiot XD
Greek gods were horny af and fucked mortals on regular even animals...

>>3991860

Kanata has Jebus powers simple as

>>3991823
Good, there's nothing stopping you, just don't go peddling fanfic theories as fact

>>3991922
No, Jesus is not an angel. Jesus is God.

>>3991935
And the Holy Ghost.

>>3991789
I mean in the Old Testament, one of them had a flaming sword, which is kinda cool I guess
It depends on your christian doctrine but at the very least certain types carry weapons and can sway the events of global politics or battles
But I guess all that power comes from God

>>3991811
So she’s an Atlantean who has a father, yes, we know that. How does that prove it’s the Poseidon from Greek mythology?

>>3991970
It hard to say. Theologically, you can also argue that God's omnipotence comes from his dominion over the principalities, rather than anything innate. In that sense God can be interpreted as the Angel Summoner from Angel Summoner & BMX Bandit.

>>3991925

nothing in this thread is a fact you illiterate nigger, they're all vtubers punctured by women who gets paid for money, if we're basing anything on ""LORE"" then the """"Evidence"""" inclines to Gura being the daughter of a deity, with her first reference to "Id of the fallen prince" and "Cymopolea's" statement of how her father showed her the sea

I know you don't read faggot, but atleast lorefag properly, "Muh jokes" okay cunt

>>3992069
You've got your wires crossed, I wasn't the one arguing she was the daughter of Poseidon, and pointed out previously that there was no mention of Poseidon by name in the second clip.

>>3991970
Archangels are freaking soldiers with flaming swords created by god to shune the leviathans and battle in the end of times

>>3990390
>Kiara respawns anon
Didn't she say she can't respawn if she's eaten? Dragon form Coco could do that easily.

>>3992086
You're getting awfully mad at people questioning your grand assumptions about 'vtubers punctured by women who gets paid for money'.
Have fun seething bud.

>>3991925
Anon just stop this is pathetic, let the retards powerscale, I enjoy it more than you being a cunt

>>3992195
oki doki

>>3992195
Boomer

>>3991809
>Does she even have powers?
she can summon bibi (imp/devil familiar) so that's the least we know. maybe she specializes in summoning techniques?

Haa...

>>3992195
>no rebuttal

ooohh anon i think they got you on this one

>>3988406
If Kiara always respawns in another world but Mori is always stuck reaping her, isn't Mori's authority on a multiversal level?

>>3992140
>Archangels are freaking soldiers with flaming swords created by god to shune the leviathans and battle in the end of times
Not true, they are simply God's most trusted and personal Messengers and there's only 7 canonical ones, while only 3 are known by name.
Michael, Gabriel and Raphael
Michael is the one with the sword and one of the other two is the one with the trumpet.
Archangels aren't really solid theological concept in Catholicism.

The Orthodox Church names all 7 (sometimes 8)
The Sephirot has one associated with each of the 10 Sefira, also named.

>>3992320
That can be solved if Ame helped her back

>>3992320
Shit u right

>>3992276
My original point was that Gen ID isn't that bad in terms of power level. I think they're stronger than Gen 1 full, and could take Gen 4 with some finesse and planning.

pick 2 to protect you from the 5, the other 3 will be out to kill you with all their might

>>3992320
calli is a shinigami one of many so she can travel to other places yes since death happens everywhere

>>3991895

>Poseidon fked a shark

BASED BASED BASED

>>3989861
I would argue that Ina if AO were to completely awaken and take over, has the potential to be stronger than Calli.
>>3989999
Kiara and Calli are multi-dimensional beings, so time doesn't really have an effect on them.

>>3992538
Assuming they all try to kill me in that current moment, I’d chose Calli and Ame. Ame can just send us to a different timeline where they don’t want to kill us. Calli being a concept of death is outside the bounds of time so I’d pick her so she doesnt hunt me down after the fact.

Considering Gura is indeed a demigod daughter of Poseidon, how powerful would that make her and how she would fare against someone like Ina who, in theory, has the power of the old ones?
I mean, in myths demigods can be pretty op, like some anon already said Hercules could change the landscape and even got to wound Ares.

>>3992320
Death as a concept would exist in all universes.

>>3992626

Your only problem is a full powered Ina to be quite honest

>>3992319
I've made my points already, and they have yet to be addressed >>3991811. If you're arguing that EVERYTHING the girls say and have established about their characters officially is pointless and can be disregarded for fan-theories and schizo parallels, then this entire thread is pointless.
>Gura beats everyone else because I want her to!
There, fun thread! My Oshi's streaming though, so have fun without me.

>>3987635
Rank them in terms of breast size

>>3991395
Nah. I want to go deez nutz on power wank.

>>3989591
Why does pic related looks sus?

she's not the concept of death guys

>>3992678
ABAYO

>gura beats everyone
no, Amelia beats everyone

>>3992678
>so have fun without me
Oh, we will. Fuck off.

>>3990542
>normal atlanteas live for 80-100 years anon
Did Gura actually say that? Because how she described her age at debut, she made it sound like it was normal for Atlanteans to live that long. The fact that she's keeping track of her age at all makes me think that.

ame is only a human even tho she can time travel she's JUST A HUMAN without any powers

>>3992112
>>3992069
>>3991823
you retards miss one thing, Atlantians were humans, not some fish people, ask Plato for more details...
Gura is half human half fish, means she had to be born of a woman porked by deity...
or other godly shenanigans (a titan sperm leaking from balls into ocean and it spawning Aphrodite)

>>3992767
Apprentice means shes on the path of becoming a full reaper. It’s still a concept of death, just in-training.

>>3992538
>protect me
Mori - Since you can't run away from death, I will choose her just so she can't kill me.
Ame - Transport me to another time and I have forever outrun the others.

>the 3 left over
Can't traverse time and unlike more can't insta-kill me with the concept of death. I win

>>3992778
Seems anon was close, but his points still stands 9000+ is waaaaaaaaay past 150 for a normal atlantean

Stop arguing about gura no one care

Look at this

>>3992811
Ame is like the Batman of the team who has massive plot armor to protect her.

>>3992840
why would death retire tho, she's just his pet

>>3992849
*Laughs in Azathoth*

>>3992879
This idiot actually believed she can pull the cart

>>3988042
>chad western myths are ruthless powerlevelfaggotry
Small fry compared to Indian myth

>>3992867
retardchama quoting jew comic book

>>3992879
I think using carriage with wheels, normal human can pull that much weight too.

>>3992914
not always

>>3992944
Hey fk you, I'm just stating alternatives

Ina is the strongest in hololive if you count her having AO

>>3992917
Shit gets boring after eternity, aint that literally one of the given answers Mori gave outside the lore stuff

>>3992879
anon, you can push a car that weights the same...

>>3992943
based curries

>>3992838
Prove they’re the same Atlanteans. Prove it’s the same Atlantis.

Unfortunately, Ina always says she's super weak whenever powerlevel questions show up. Almost like she avoids this topic on purpose, which is a shame since she could make a lot of cool stuff based on her theme.

>>3993011
hmmmm holoMYTH hmmmm
i don't know, think it's a wild guess...

My final conclusion after reading this shitshow of mental retardation

Strongest to Weakest

Mori
Ame
Ina
Gura
Kiara

>>3993051
This.

>>3993050
Yes, it is.

>>3992879
But that cart couldn't carry that much weight, right?

The scariest part is, HoloMyth are all friends. Despite any supernatural or divine duties, they've become more human from their interactions. They may have tried to end each other at first but now for any threat they would team up to stop it. Or be the threat together.

>>3987682
calli only sung the song and co-wrote the lyrics. she didn't even write all the lyrics herself. the song was written, mixed, and produced by other people, like with most of her music.

>>3992879
not a feat, 1. they're on wheels 2. she struggling even WITH them on wheels and (we can assume nousagi helping her)

bunny is human level maybe even lower she weak

>>3992960
You can maybe push a traincar that weighs this much, but you have no chance with a cart. That's because trains are engineered to minimize friction

>>3993117
except Greek Myths are the OG stories about it...
if you want to create your own fanfic where your oshi is OP then be my guest.
HoloMyth is about mythical creatures so taking notes from people who invented them is our best shot at establishing power level boundaries...

>>3993050
>>3993011

Ina can call upon Eldritch Gods
Ame is a being that trancends time
Kiara is an unkillable entity
Mori has the authority of death

and you guys are talking about some shark person, okay lets she's the daughter of a god or some shit, she's the least interesting of the 5

>>3993051
Pretty much

>>3993182
>underestimating the italian hobo

>>3988406
>she also said in her second debut stream after being banned that it was unusual for her to stay in the same world after respawning.
The fact that it's unusua,l and not completely unheard of, implies that it's happened before. Maybe it has to do with her will to survive or unfinished business or something like that. There does also seem to be some sort of distinction between respawning and healing. IIRC, she said before that she keeps her skin smooth by burning it all off and healing.

>>3992165
She could, she says she'd prefer to stay dead rather than revive from poop.

Explain to me how timetravelers are supposed to be powerful again? What if she is stabbed in her sleep

>>3993182
>fox spirit
>normal

I question your tier my good sir

>>3993182
What the fuck is going on with nene's lore?

>>3993204
It's one guy and everyone else telling him how stupid he is.

>>3993191
give me point of leverage and i will move the world

>>3993249
Ame as a single entity isn't the problem, the problem is Amelia as a collective, that's a power so overwhelming even Amelia can be compared to a God

>>3993286
Not applicable in real systems and cars are nothing like levers.

>>3993262
How new?

>>3993249
>MuH MuLTI VeRSE tImEtRAvEL CrEaTED PaRAdoX

>>3993262
Underestimate my wife again and you're done!
just a joke until Nene confirms and then holy shit it's on

>>3993342
Two words anon

Pickle Rick

>>3993249
>What if she is stabbed in her sleep
Bubba won't let that happen.

>>3993249
quantum immortality

>>3993319
now replace it with wheel axle

>>3993051
Ina should simultaneously be at the top and the bottom. Kiara should be above Ame since her powers are multi-dimensional and fall outside of time.

>>3993395
Does this look anything like the cart Pekora is pulling?

>>3993196
It’s one thing to say they’re based on myths and another to say that they exist in the same universe as the original myth. If the latter isn’t true, and you have no way to prove it is, nothing established in the original myth’s universe can be assumed to apply. Myths have been reinterpreted countless times resulting in inconsistency with the original lore. Why should this be any different?

>>3993402
Kiara is also a weapon of destruction if she reveals her true form. So much so she is forbidden from using it.

>>3993402
Yeah I agree with you, but this is under the assumption that not everyone is given time to prepare, and its sudden death

>>3993433
>anon doesn't get physics
it's the same principle tard

>>3993249
Look at it this way the time line in which someone got the successful stab on Ame sure she's gone, but what about the one where they missed? or the one where Ame went to bed with her vest still on? or the one where the attacker alerted Bubba and Ame shot the knife wielder? well even one where a stab was successful but not deadly giving Ame enough time to use the watch go back and just shoot the fucker. oh this is all on Ame's 1337's timeline mind you don't even get me started on if we literally involve all possible Ame's

GOOD LUCK

>>3993027
Ina herself is super weak.
It's true.

>>3993451
can you two stop, the authorityfag left and you guys are already replacing him, are you guys the equivalent of quantum retards?

Doesn't Gura canonically need floaties to swim? If that's the case, I highly doubt she has control over water to any great capacity.

>>3993451
and i ask you why not...

Which Holo can take the highest number of Silverback Gorillas in a fight?

>>3993538
why would you need to learn to swim if you command the literal seas? although that might be why she didn't learn to swim to begin with

>>3993494
Anon, it's really not the same principle.
The principle behind the cart is that the lever makes it easier to lift up and then you still have to pull it. The issue with pulling it is that you have to overcome the friction of the (imperfectly formed) wooden wheels and the uneven ground.
In a perfect, frictionless system, you could maybe pull it, but not in the real world.
The one who doesn't understand physics is you, because you never had to consider realistic, complicated systems.

>>3993554
Mori no competition, next would probably be Ame or Ina

>>3993601
stop

>>3993484
Since we don't know how Ina's powers work, a sudden death situation could potentially lead to the awakening on AO. That's why I would put her at the top and the bottom. For Kiara, it wouldn't really matter if it's sudden death. She has the physical advantage, and based on how her respawn works, Ame wouldn't be able to just go back in time to poof her out of existence.

>>3991701
She also is really close to the Dragon and has a bad habit of destroying things she touches.

>>3993595
Is she had command over the sea, even if she didn't know how to swim, she wouldn't need floaties. She would be able to simply command the ocean to keep her afloat and to move her.

>>3993663
Wanna tell me what the efficiency of a wooden wheel on a shitty dirt road is?
It's not gonna be good.

>>3993595
>>3993748
anons that's her being a clumsy dummy, clearly a nerf...

>>3993688
Mori Topdog no debate

Ina Can simultaneously be the strongest and weakest depending on how her ability works, since she deals with the necronomicon or some iteration of it I assumed she needs time for rituals (basing on lovecraftian lore), at full power assuming she has full control of eldritch powers, even Mori wont stand a chance, Azathoth literally is the one above all

Kiara at here greatest (supernova) would pale in comparison to an infinite number of Amelia's with their infinite artifacts

Gura, the spoiled cunt, only one upped Kiara due to her authority inhereted from her father, without it she's bottom out of all the 5

>>3993748
you got me there bub

>>3993855
if it wasn't good people wouldn't use them...
also you got the formula go be good autist anon and do some pixel math, like the one was done for carrots weight

>>3993911
>>3993855

Just kiss you two

>>3993911
How the fuck do you expect me to do pixel math to estimate the roundness of the wheels and the flatness of the road, when both are clearly stylized.
And it's a moot point anyway, because Pekora is too weak to pull it.

>>3994008
oh, just the same way it was decided how dense the carrots are

>>3994008
anon you take the average and if there's something that can be omitted, like road quality you just ignore it

>>3992659
Yeah but Calli has go on to say she's a reaper and Death Sensei is the one you should be afraid. So this actually doesn't add up at all

the only powerscaling that matters, is how much power they have on my cock

>>3994210
sage

>>3987635
Wait, i just noticed a plothole. Despite what many people has claimed, Kiara is not actually "immortal". Her main gimmick is that she can still be killed, but she will always revive due to phoenix power. To counter this, maybe you need to involve some magic stuff to seal her ability to revive, maybe also separate her ashes/feathers to increase the chance. Unfortunately the only ones related to magic are just Rushia and Shion. Rushia's magic forte is clearly not suitable for this, so our only hope is just Shion. If she get better at magic, she may be the one who can counter Kiara.

>>3993865
For Ina, I was assuming that she's the vessel/barrier for AO, and that if she was significantly injured or killed, her connection would be severed or AO would take over completely. Depending on which of these are the case and how powerful AO is, Ina could still be at the top of the tier list.

For Amelia vs Kiara, what do you mean by artifacts? If you mean infinite watches, it still wouldn't matter because they wouldn't be able to poof her out of existence.

For Gura, we don't really know what sort of authority she inherited, but considering she canonically needs floaties to swim, I feel like you may be overestimating her control.

>>3993249
For every timeline where ame gets stabbed and dies, there exists a timeline where she survives getting stabbed.
All ames are in contact with one another and can communicate.
The ame that survived the stab goes back in time and alerts all ames.
Every ame is on the lookout that night.
No ame gets stabbed.

>>3994421
its in Amelia's lore that she utilizes artifacts to aid her lethal encounters in her lovecraftian-esque investigations , like an atlantean technology, a long lost sword etc.

>>3994491
then they all die because the event that branched their timeline didn't happen, lol

>>3994546
We don't know if this is how multiple timelines work.

>>3994421
Anon i think what he's pertaining to is technology all throughout time, It doesn't even have to be artifacts from magic shit, she can literally have a photon canon if she so pleases

>>3987846
The bigger rrat would be that all the people on atlantis just look like shotas and lolis despite being thousands of years old. Gura being the only one because of a curse seems too basic for me.

>>3987635
No. HoloJP's top-tiers are so powerful they can easily solo HoloEN by themselves. Take Haachama, Miko and Luna for example.

>>3988591
>>3991695

Canonically, Haachama can:
>Create a massive number of clones of herself, at any size:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afJEpNE-Al8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViX62UtybwA
https://youtu.be/i_9xsmRez4Y?t=35

>Sever a human head with seemingly Ermac-esque telekinesis powers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzz35N-GeMM
https://youtu.be/14Gwl_0v9-w?t=205

>Survive decapitation and can remove and reattach her head at will:
https://youtu.be/Z86cMpo4SQE?t=110

>Immune to toxicity and can digest anything she can physically eat with no side effects:
https://youtu.be/8mM1XMql0N0?t=266

>Immune to electric shock, actually enjoys it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrEGWo2Qwag

>Resistant to extreme cold, can survive in Antarctica wearing her school outfit with just shivering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RhVyx1eW28

And perhaps most importantly:
>Use "Haachama Beam" (which appears to be able to cause hallucinations/control the senses of all those affected by it, might even be a local form of reality bending):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_9xsmRez4Y

And it's not even just a hologra thing btw, Haachama Beam was a thing in her own stream already before that hologra episode.

>Powerful enough to destroy the Earth (in multiple different ways):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKriB3myCBw

>Can travel through and stop time (Also, Haachama has had her own time travel arc and the Haato we see here time traveled back to February 2021 from May in the previous stream before):
https://youtu.be/S_M4CJgJDvk?t=2187

Since she literally died several streams before this, she can basically resurrect herself by manipulating Haato:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo0nu3pKgc8

>Very likely to be an Eldritch God of some kind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF8TesmjfTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BujmzBSzQtk

And before you say "oh they're just jokes" or "she's schizo so it's not real". Let me tell you: It's definitely real since other hololive members get affected and react to her abilities seriously (like in Hologra for example). You can't argue against how the Haachama clones can physically restrain Aki, for example. Not to mention that these abilities of her are shown in both her own channel AND hologra, so they're indubitably canon.
----

Miko:

Miko is apparently an Elder God according to this page:
https://omniversal-battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Sakura_Miko

>In her debut, she describes herself as being a shrine maiden who's main goal is the maintain the shrine and serve Kami. It's later revealed that Miko isn't just a servant of Kami, but the physical form of Kami, whom of which was exposed to cute culture, animation, games, and many other humanly things that made them want to become an idol. Sakura's true form is that of Kami, a primordial god who is responsible for the creation of the universe and all worlds present in Hololive's expansion reality.

Not sure how valid this information is, but there's definely a "God Miko" thing going on. Like her New Years stream this year for example. So this is very likely to be true.
----

Luna:

As showcased in her 3D debut episode, at full strength she is essentially a reality-bender:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3tp4kQ081E

-----

If you're going to argue then go on, post your evidences or feats for HoloEN members. Show me the full extend of their powers and how they can possibly counter the powers showcased above. Otherwise any sensible person is able to see how much more powerful HoloJP members are.

>>3995014
oh no, the vs battles autist is here

>>3987635
No. HoloJP's top-tiers are so powerful they can easily solo HoloEN by themselves. Take Haachama, Miko and Luna for example.

>>3988591
>>3991695

Canonically, Haachama can:
>Create a massive number of clones of herself, at any size:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afJEpNE-Al8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViX62UtybwA
https://youtu.be/i_9xsmRez4Y?t=35

>Sever a human head with seemingly Ermac-esque telekinesis powers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzz35N-GeMM
https://youtu.be/14Gwl_0v9-w?t=205

>Survive decapitation and can remove and reattach her head at will:
https://youtu.be/Z86cMpo4SQE?t=110

>Immune to toxicity and can digest anything she can physically eat with no side effects:
https://youtu.be/8mM1XMql0N0?t=266

>Immune to electric shock, actually enjoys it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrEGWo2Qwag

>Resistant to extreme cold, can survive in Antarctica wearing her school outfit with just shivering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RhVyx1eW28

And perhaps most importantly:
>Use "Haachama Beam" (which appears to be able to cause hallucinations/control the senses of all those affected by it, might even be a local form of reality bending):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_9xsmRez4Y

And it's not even just a hologra thing btw, Haachama Beam was a thing in her own stream already before that hologra episode.

>Powerful enough to destroy the Earth (in multiple different ways):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKriB3myCBw

>Can travel through and stop time (Also, Haachama has had her own time travel arc and the Haato we see here time traveled back to February 2021 from May in the previous stream before):
https://youtu.be/S_M4CJgJDvk?t=2187

Since she literally died several streams before this, she can basically resurrect herself by manipulating Haato:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo0nu3pKgc8

>Very likely to be an Eldritch God of some kind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF8TesmjfTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BujmzBSzQtk

And before you say "oh they're just jokes" or "she's schizo so it's not real". Let me tell you: It's definitely real since other hololive members get affected and react to her abilities seriously (like in Hologra for example). You can't argue against how the Haachama clones can physically restrain Aki, for example. Not to mention that these abilities of her are shown in both her own channel AND hologra, so they're indubitably canon.
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Miko:
>>3989684
>>3990705
>>3990390

Miko is apparently an Elder God according to this page:
https://omniversal-battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Sakura_Miko

>In her debut, she describes herself as being a shrine maiden who's main goal is the maintain the shrine and serve Kami. It's later revealed that Miko isn't just a servant of Kami, but the physical form of Kami, whom of which was exposed to cute culture, animation, games, and many other humanly things that made them want to become an idol. Sakura's true form is that of Kami, a primordial god who is responsible for the creation of the universe and all worlds present in Hololive's expansion reality.

Not sure how valid this information is, but there's definely a "God Miko" thing going on. Like her New Years stream this year for example. So this is very likely to be true.
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Luna:
>>3991406
>>3991435

As showcased in her 3D debut episode, at full strength she is essentially a reality-bender:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3tp4kQ081E

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If you're going to argue then go on, post your evidences or feats for HoloEN members. Show me the full extend of their powers and how they can possibly counter the powers showcased above. Otherwise any sensible person is able to see how much more powerful HoloJP members are.

>>3993897
>Not putting Haxchama and her terrifying toonforce in Hax

>>3993512
I was including AO-chan too, but yeah she's extremely weak.

>>3995231
Hax are things that are situational op but have no feats, every holo girl is terrified of hachaama so she has more than hax

>>3994377
Considering Phoenix's have have an actual shit ton of weaknesses already, like iron weapons, water, destroying their ashes sometimes with water etc. I honestly think Kiara is going to be the most easy to off here but then again she could totally just change the concept of her abilities negate the water of ashes weakness like she did with multiverse and apparently someone here said she could resurrect from poop if eaten (Which may explain why she's into scat)?

>>3995167
That image would be way better if haachama looked more like haachama.

>>3995302
>she's into scat
where's that one from?

>>3988802
>Destroy the book
good luck with that, it's uploaded to the internet now.

>>3987846
>How the fk do you kill these retards, they're literally mythical
Luna is proven to be a cosmic-level reality warper in Hologra. Luna snaps her fingers.

GG.

Also:

>Literally death herself
From bio:
>The Grim Reaper's first apprentice.
Anon pls.

>Can't die lol
Kiara can die. She said that if she was eaten then she can't respawn because there's no ashes for her to respawn from.

>>3988042
>>3988299
>>3988526
>>3988623
It gets worse... it gets much, much worse.

>Poseidon (/pəˈsaJdən, pɒ-, poʊ-/;[1] Greek: Ποσειδῶν, pronounced [poseːdɔ̂ːn]) was one of the Twelve Olympians in ancient Greek religion and myth, god of the sea, storms, earthquakes and horses.

>Gura already proved she can control the weather

>>3987846

From strongest to weakest

>Mori
clearly most powerful being an avatar of death
>Ina
normally somewhat strong, but if Ao-Chan gets involved could beat Mori with Lovecraft concepts invalidating human shit like death
>Kiara
Somewhat strong + immortal
>Ame
Not really that strong, realistically could do time bullshit but is still human. effectively immortal due to timelines though.
>Gura
Very strong but also very killable

>>3989458
Well the only ones that are killable are Ina and Gura. But if you are talking in a fight?

Ayame and Towa
>Interchangeable demon power shit
Noel
>MC boost + raw strength
Marine
>Pirate ship, cannons, ect
Coco
>Big Fucking Dragon Titties
Botan
>Actual assassin
Moona
>Actual god

Also basically any holo with stronger than human power could beat Ame.

>>3995167
I mean they have death herself (you know the concept itself) and time traveler with infinite version of herself so I think they'd tie with her.

>>3992943
Indians said fuck demigods and just had their actual gods incarnate for their myths. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam still btfo all the polytheistic religions though. Just basic level "he's the strongest cause he's the strongest" shit.

>>3996601
Normally you would be right but Haachama overcame BOTH Death and Time just so she could kill Haato again in her most recent stream. She's basically above those concepts at this point (which would make a lot of sense if she is indeed an eldritch horror).

>>3988591
chaama is literally just off her meds. she's basically a horror movie monster thats not amazingly strong aside from being scary. dont know why people want her to be a final villain. she would work much better as a few dedicated episodes to her as an isolated antagonist for cool tone shifting horror episodes where we get to see the other holos getting spooked.

>>3990464
Ame isn't an obsessive checking every possible future. She doesn't know everything. She is functionally immortal though. It would be interesting to show her time travel from an outside perspective. It looks like she's extremely lucky and keeps falling into victories and conveniences, but its a result of time travel. Could make for a lot of funny moments.

>>3990705
Ina ain't a spirit.

>>3996725
Damn, so she is a reality bender now? I wonder how much hume she generates. Reality benders are usually insta win so I guess you are right.

>>3991133
that second clip was so pure it made me get up and leave 4chan for a good hour

>>3991125
Old Ones are just gods that are so significant we aren't even bacteria to them. They just wanna make the world how they like it. Looking at them for too long makes you go insane because of how incomprehensible they are to us. A fully incarnated Elder=end of the Universe. Granted, it takes a lot to bring a God back and the most Ina will likely be able to do is fuck with some people's sanity or summon a few eldrich monstrosities.

>>3996755
>she's basically a horror movie monster thats not amazingly strong aside from being scary

>>3995167
>Create a massive number of clones of herself, at any size
>Use "Haachama Beam" (which appears to be able to cause hallucinations/control the senses of all those affected by it, might even be a local form of reality bending)
>Powerful enough to destroy the Earth (in multiple different ways)
>Can sever (Haaton's) heads with seemingly Ermac-esque telekinesis powers

These are all pre-"schizo" feats btw. You can't use that to dismiss them as she clearly has powers before she even started her lore arcs. Therefore, this also invalidates the arguments of her feats being fake.

>>3990884
I mean basically every demigod died a tragic death. Gura isn't human at all though, so she's more like Hermes getting his start in the human world.

>>3992648
Gura, as a demigod, is only as powerful as conceptually allowed to be given her natural domain (in this case, water, weather and such). She also has a birthright to ascend to godhood given she performs extraordinary deeds in her life (granted by a god) or consumes ambrosia (she could just literally grab the fruit and eat it).

>>3987635
All of them are mid-boss tier at most.
>muh Death
Death is mid-boss tier at most in Japanese rules. If you played Castlevania, you'd know Death isn't even on the same level as Dracula.
Unironically the chicken may be the final boss material due to having the whole rival aesthetic with sword and transformation gimmick.

>>3993182
>Gura
>made a passing comment on being Poseidon's daughter
>literally sang the weather into a sunny day
>Above Average Power
Why are KFP like this?

>>3991612
There are many types of angel, representing more conceptual shit as you go up the chain. Lucifer is assumed by many to be Seraphim (highest angel). It is highly unlikely Kanata was this level, or even Cherubim below that, or thrones below that. Dominions are lord angels that command other angels, so it is also unlikely Kanata fell here. She could be a power or virtue (punishing evil with a fuck off sword or creating miracles respectively). Principalities oversee/watch over large groups of people and nations. Archangles have widely varying levels of power and influence, with some of the most significant able to stand before god (ex. Michael) and are involved with significant humans. Angels are messengers to humans and throughout heaven. Of these, Kanata is likely an angel (default pick), archangel (gives her flexibility in influence, powers, ect), or power/virtue (power fits thematically for strong grip, virtue would fit for kindness bullshit). Probably a power.

>>3997445
>If you played Castlevania, you'd know Death isn't even on the same level as Dracula.
This proves that even your "immortal death incarnate" (which she isn't even by the way. Read her freaking bio ffs) can be easily beaten by the likes of Mel, who is a Daywalker, meaning she's at least Dracula-tier.

>Unironically the chicken may be the final boss material
Just get Haachama to eat her, because she can't resurrent from her ashes if there's none left for her to resurrent from. EZ
In fact, she can clearly do that since in like every collab with Kiara she listed her as food ingredient in the description.

>>3992648
old ones are designed to be above all other power or thought to the point of ridiculousness. Thats where the idea of cosmic horror has its root; a force that is so beyond you and incomprehensible you go insane from just trying to comprehend it. The comfort is that they are dead and only trying to come back (with the scary bit being that cults are trying to make this happen). Ina isn't realistically going to be able to summon any old ones, especially given her main goal in life (long term) is to summon Ao. Only thing Gura needs to worry about is Ina summoning abominations, body horror, or doing fucked up sanity bullshit. The fucked part about fighting eldrich cults in Lovecraft mythos is that afterwards the protagonists either kill themselves from the horror of what they saw, are mentally influenced for life, and are slowly changing into something horrible long after the encounter.

Isn't being some kind of phoenix god the reason Kiara isn't allowed to use her transformation belt? I wonder if we're looking at a Dark Phoenix situation.

>>3997880
>Haachama
She's just a chuuni schizo JK lorewise. Her make-believe videos don't matter.
>>3992648
>demigod daughter of Poseidon
Theseus was a pussy so I don't expect much from Gura. Hercules was an outlier even among demigod heroes in Greek myths. I expect her to be around Noel's level at most.

>>3998973
she's definitely nerfed by the belt but if we speculate on that she could genuinely be way stronger than she currently is already. She already is an always reviving warrior phoenix with her phoenix weapons and is multidimensional when reviving + obvious fire manipulation/mimicry. If we used other phoenix lore from series/myth or just even expanded on her abilities I think she'd rival literally anyone in hololive considering she's already unkillable in holo lore if Mori can't keep her permanently dead