/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Guess what happened in 2022? Male collabs.

>>40347743
who did kiara collab with?

>>40347743
Vtubing dying down + constant breaks (no stream)

>>40347675
less streams = less superchat

they've reached the point where they are basically just popular characters, like touhou girls. all they need to do is put out a bit of content every now and then and the gachis will empty their wallets on t-shirts and toys.

>>40347743
Who did Gura collab with?

>>40347789
With Ina who raped her

Should add Council and IRyS.

Surely more homos will fix it, as evidenced by... these extreme outliers *nervous japanese laughter*

>>40347743
more like no streams lmao

>>40347743
>Male vtubers are raking in more revenue than the women
Oh this is rich. How the turn tables.

The indies and small corpos are eating up their audience. This is inevitable because of the low entry barrier for vtubing.

It's over...

>>40347789
>>40347826
The ones that collabed with males caused viewers to leave the entire branch.

>>40347675
- Males scared off her biggest whales / focusing on the music side of her career
- Pandemic over debuff / Euro hours
- Doesn't stream
- Tummy horts / males / actively culling her biggest supporters
- Doesn't stream / Told viewers to buy merch instead of superchats / Doesn't acknolwedge superchats outside of Birthdays

Definitely no other factors to consider. No compounding macroeconomic concerns or anything that would make people think twice about giving money to a rich anime woman

Reminder that Ina didn't stream for a total of 4 and a half months last year.

>>40348053
>Doesn't explain the lack of streams from Gura prior to the homos even being recruited and going through their unity training

>>40347675
Recessions hurt revnue

>>40348182
* add a couple of weeks to that to include unplanned days off not just acknowledged sick leaves

>>40348080
Not for bearchads

>>40347675
>There's no way they're not aware of this, maybe it explains the similar drop in their motivation.
That would be retarded, but considering we're dealing with women here, uncomfortably plausible...

>"boo hoo, I'm not getting showered in free money as much as usual, this is hurting my ~mOtiVaTiOn~, uwu imma pout and stream even less, h-haha that'll show em!"
>"oh nyo, omg what do you mean, when I stream less the fans superchat me even less and less money, who could have forseen this?!?"

>>40347820

Sry but touhou girls are at least likeable for the most of them...

Reminder. We're in a recession, whether the failures in office acknowledge it or not, people don't have the same amount of money to throw at streamers.

>>40348191
She didn't want to put up with chat asking for homocollabs with the new homo branch like what happened last time for almost 2 months.

>>40347789
My cock

>>40347675
no stream no money. Also males. I don't really understand amelia, everyone else has something else that pays the bills or is gura, calli music, ina illustrations, Kiara,well, she tries. But watson has nothing else, why does she not put her all into this?

>>40347743
/thread

>>40348453
It's like you didn't even read. Unless you're telling me she has clairvoyance and can see the future now.
>She stopped streaming far before the boys got announced or even recruited

>>40347743
>Kiara
>Gura
>male collabs
Absolute retard

>HoloEN are making less money.
>HoloEN streams less often.
>Former HoloJP are making less money.
>Former members stream the same amount, or more.
I wonder what the difference is. Is it just incidental to who they are as individuals. Or is there some pattern or connection?

>>40348418
Russian bot posting putin propaganda detected. The economy is doing better than ever thanks to Biden. Energy is cheaper than ever. You don't know what a recession is, the science evolved. Educate yourself.

>>40348649
Either way this was the worst possible time to start a civil war in the fan community.

>>40348375
>2hu is ackshually problematic and marisa is now canon ftm

>>40347675
>There's no way they're not aware of this
The only reasonable explanation is that they don't get a dime of a that money and cover takes it all.
Otherwise why would you toss an opportunity like this for economic stability?

>>40348282
>That would be retarded
Are you so sure? With the YT+Cover cut, Ina made around 30k USD in superchats. That's less than a regular job, and you can only see so many Ina tote bags and acrylic stands before that revenue stream dries up too...

>>40348053
or, council happened and split the revenues, mixed with pretty much every country dropping lockdown policies.

>>40347675
They lose
>superchats
They gain
>lots of free time
>memberships
>sponsorships
>convention money
>merch sales
They just became more efficiency

>>40348649
>Japanese employees serving a Japanese audience, overseen by Japanese bosses
vs.
>Western employees serving a Western audience, overseen by the most clueless Japanese bosses of the whole fucking island, I mean have you seen the new Holostars names? They named one of them "banzoin hakka" for fucks' sake, that's basically glurp shitto

>>40349189
Sane talk is prohibited.

>>40347675
Where are you getting these numbers from? How does anyone but the talents, Cover, and YT even know what the donation amount is?

>>40348564
The girls know when the debuts are happening, no clairvoyance needed. Plus, they were probably all chatting on the discord together, already.

>>40349076
they get a fraction of it, wich is a negligible part of their income unless they're making stupid amounts like Rushia or Coco did

>>40349386
playboard

>>40349300
This. God knows how much someone like Mori made with merch, album sales, and other various shit she's done in 2022.

>>40347675
>Gura and Ina made 100k+ for not streaming
Holos live life on easy mode.

>>40349082
OK but then add in memberships and salary. Hell, just add in the memberships because as far as I know no one in Myth has fewer than 1k members at six bucks a pop.

>>40349337
sorry...

>>40347675
Solution: just add more males. And keep adding more and more males. It worked for Niji right? Let's copy everything they do.

>>40347743
>How schizos do data analysis

>>40349311
>Hakka
Is he a Maori Kiwi?

>>40349438
there is no salary

>>40349361
playboard

Do you think males are a bigger reason than breaks? Yes. They are. Even if they had breaks they'd still get showered in money if they weren't cock hungry sluts. Look at Ayame, for instance.

I know it's catalog bait but it's funny no one mentioned nijien didn't even exist for half of 2021

>>40349189
Explain why the male collabers their CCV dropped way harder than the ones that didn't?

>>40349311
>Japanese employees serving a Japanese audience, overseen by Japanese bosses
That is not the case, is it? They are in "VShojoJP" now, which means either (a) Western or Westernized bosses, or (b) no "bosses" only assistance, depending on whether you believe the spin they put on VShojo.
>Western employees serving a Western audience, overseen by... Japanese bosses... I mean have you seen the new Holostars names?
No I have not looked at the new Holostars at all.
I do not actively hate them, however, I tend to things that I am not interested in.

>>40349802
Correction:
>I tend to things that I am not interested in.
I tend to ignore things that I am not interested in.

>>40349726
fuck do CCV have to do here? everyone's SC revenue dropped by pretty much the same factor, cocksleeve or not.

>>40349438
Gura got like 20k different members in 2022 according to the 1data nips got

>>40348053
They were reclining way before tempus debut you fucking retard

Competition was more fierce in 2022 for female EN vtubers compared to 2021.

>>40349462
Males help them expand towards the male vtuber market and try to gain female viewers. Debuting females wouldn't really help them gain more marketshare

>>40350053
And that worked amazingly well the first time right? Better continue doing it.

>>40347743
And also the price of every essential thing skyrocketed but I guess that doesn't fit your schizonarrative

>>40349189
Yeah, Council actually made more money last year than 2021.

>>40350220
Council was not a thing for most of 2021

>>40350220
I'd hope they would since they debuted in August in 2021.

>>40350220
so weird that council didn't make any cash from january 2021 to august 2022.

>>40350220
They made less during four and a half months when compared to a full twelve months?
I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

>>40349647
Anon Ayame had a baby, that's why she was on break.

>>40350395
august 2021* sori hando surippu

>>40349955
That's a common metric that gets brought up, talent who collabed with tempshit saw a decrease in CCV

>>40350220
>4 months in 2021
>vs the entirety of 2022
Real big single digit IQ you have

Goddamn these girls make so much fucking money. Even assuming they only take in a third of their channel income you still have to factor in ad revenue, merch sales, memberships, sponsorships.

>>40350220
This is why you point, laugh, then proceed to ignore all /vt/ numberniggers. You pathetic bunch deserve death, or worm water.

>>40350462
okay, but we're talking about SCs here.

>>40350531
Talking right out of my ass here but I doubt they even touch 20% of that

>>40350220
Fauna went from the lowest supa earner in 2021 to the top in 2022, kind of surprising.

>>40350656
green lamy just took a while to adjust.

>>40350656
Fauna being the top in CCV, SCs, and VOD views is definitely the biggest surprise of 2022.

>>40347675
They just exchanged SC for merchs. Less hassle and more money.
I meant, the management told Gura that her birthday (or was it anniversary?) merch broke all Hololive records. That’s pretty impressive given that Pekora’s merchs earned her more than 700k$ just over slightly less than a month. Cover apparently gives them pretty decent cuts on merchs, too

>>40347675
Wow, so redditors who abandon things on a dime for the new hotness - it turns out they don't have bottomless pockets? Who knew! The EN girls had their peak and their 15 minutes of fame, but nothing lasts forever. Or maybe fans grew up a little and realized that, despite all the money thrown at them, the holos didn't become their real girlfriend.
No, let's instead blame men for existing, even though Holostars was always a thing

>>40347743
More like no streams, huge breaks, not a single successful big unity event + males and so far the only thing to look forward in 2023 is an ''open you wallet if you want fun'' event

>>40350597
If they can get 40k or more from SC alone that's amazing, more so due to various revenue streams.

>>40347833
Neither of them was around for the full duration of 2021

>>40350220
There were 131 days left in 2021 when Council debuted. Just for fun, I extrapolated their earnings and did the same calculation the OP did for Myth.
>Sana: 57% decline
>Fauna: 33% incline
>Kronii: 47% decline
>Mumei: 1% decline
>Bae:: 4% decline

So out of Council, Bae and Mumei stayed exactly the same, Kronii crashed hard, and Fauna actually inclined majorly, the first and only EN girl to do so (besides maybe IRyS)

>>40350757
Mumei has a higher CCV than her on the year.

>>40349419
She leased a house in the states the last year and closed on a house in japan like a week ago. She must be rolling in cash from all her different revenue streams now.

>>40350778
Ironically, homobeggars are not the ones starting battlegrounds every threads. It's always the unicorns. All threads start with some form of >>40347743

>>40350597
Several Holo members have already said that they get good cuts from merch. Moreover, in cases of merchs they funded by themselves (i.e: Lamy wine), they get full cut of the profit (those are generally rarer than normal merchs, though)

>>40351021
Unicorns and homobeggars are falseflaggers. Real fans don't post here.

>>40350845
You kind of need to also only take the days in 2022 to her graduation if you only take the days in 2021 form her debut.

>>40347675
2021: covid stimmy checks
2022: no checks

(no delivery)

>>40350936
>rolling in cash
Do they not have mortgages in Japan? All she needs is a huge cashflow from last year and the ability to make payments.

>>40347675
>>40350220
What about JPs?

>>40351141
I did the opposite, I extrapolated their earnings for the rest of 2021 (since we have data for a full 2022)

>>40351210
JPs as a whole inclined slightly

>>40347675
It's a niche hobby that died down in the West. Plus there's a lot more competition, now and the coomers went over to the "talent freedom" corpos or indies.

>>40347743
rent free

>>40351274
I think it's time for us to find our "viewer freedom". Any recommendations?

>>40348664
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

>>40351191
It is incredibly difficult to buy a house in Japan as a foreigner. Probably needed either a huge down payment or solid proof of cash flow for it to happen

>>40351342
>find our "viewer freedom". Any recommendations?
I enjoy viewing everyday people in public places. It has a lot more variety than FOTW games.

>>40351255
I mean, however you normalised the 2021 figures, multiplied whatever they did by 365/131 or compared the amount/131 to 2022's amount /365, you also need to the same procedure for her 2022 figures since she also wasn't around for the whole year.

>>40351116
Wamy milk when

>World is entering a global recession and wage crisis
>HoloEN was half as active as they were last year
>"NO, IT'S THE DAMN M*ALES THAT CAUSED THIS."

>>40347675
Mori made more money in 2022 than any other year with UMJ contract, merch, and music plays

>>40351639
Brainrot coomers live in fantasy world. Everything revolves around vtubers.

>NOOO IT'S THE GLOBAL RECESSION
>NOOO IT'S THE WAR IN UKRAINE
>NOOO IT'S GLOBAL WARMING

>>40351756
yes to the first one

>>40349726
>>40350462
Source? You fags keep saying this and I see a shitty inforgraph posted that made no sense or outright disproved the point it was trying to make. Seeing the actual streams it seemed like any drop because MALES was incredibly negligible and had zero impact on revenue. I remember retards celebrating that kronii had 2k viewers in a stream right after a tempus collab and within 10 minutes the viewers jumped to 8-10k.

>>40349300

The others are obvious but do they make money from just showing up to a convention for an hour stream?

>>40351791
Mori is literally more irrelevant than Kobo right now.

>>40347743

>>40347743
>Gura
>Ina
>Kiara
>Male collabs
This is your brain on hololive

>>40351791
Where have you been, unironically? It wasn't that long ago.
Do you just not get involved? Getting involved in the drama is the only way to later start an argument(like you did just now)and not be made to look retarded.

>>40351639
>wage crisis
Lowest quartile wages are up relative to inflation. The people who are losing jobs and/or seeing salary decrease relative to inflation are middle management, tech bros, marketers, unterskilled-and-overpaid consultants, and the underperforming nobodies in the finance sectors.
If you work with your hands for a living, your job and life was NEVER easy, but it wasn't significantly worse in 2022 compared to 2021. You get told that everything is on fire because the media mouths, and all of their upper-middle-class friends, lost their jobs as diversity consultants, or couldn't afford to move into a bigger house this year, or whatever.

>>40351856
which is why her songs are used on nip TV and played in nip radio
and why she is doing music with near mainstream J-Rock and alt-rock bands
and why her song with ZTM is the official clip for Spotify JP

>>40351342
That you'll have to figure out yourself. Anytime anyone offers an alternative, they're met with "Actually, they're just as bad because X has a boyfriend or whatever" responses. Lots of options though.

>>40352055
Who cares retard, he is replying to something about CCV

>>40351812
You don’t exactly do convention panels for free.

Why would anyone superchat?

Half of the girls on this list were playing Elden ring for 6+ months.

Lack of streams is the explanation

>>40352136
and it's still a shit metric for "relevance"

>>40351791
numbersfags dont watch streams this is a known fact

>>40352217
Doesn't matter what you think, people were talking about CCV.

>>40352055
What does that have to do with her streaming career

>>40352250
her streaming career will be fine

>>40352233
And I guess you don't read threads >>40351856

>>40351856
While I don’t disagree with your points, never use Playboard’s “average viewers” stat. People have pointed out how flawed it is many times.
At least dig through the archive and post one of those Medians / Averages tables from /#/ if you want to numberfag about CCV

>>40352217
If you haven't noticed they are trying to just turn this into a mori anti thread. They like to hijack threads like that.

>>40351856
ccv is the most embarrassing metric to use because no one can verify how youtube counts or calculates ccv.

>>40352136
i have no clue why CCV were brought up in the first place, we're talking about SC and revenue here.

>>40347675
So will we see retard shark begging at Vox's feet for a collab? Will Kiara try to mental gymnastics her way into being okay with Mysta because he's "totally gay"

>>40351856
once again ignoring the other forms of media and merch sales from Mori because you need to appease the /vt/ seals by saying pink woman bad

>>40352342
because Mori's CCV is low but her yearly SCs are still second in the branch (and that's with playing Elden Ring with SC off for like 3 months) so they need to change topic to push the "male collabs will destroy your income" narrative

>>40352342
? read the thread

>>40352055
>source: I made it the fuck up
>>40352330
>Youtube lies, because they just do okay?!
>>40352439
>all her metrics are down, but these metrics that aren't public? Those are WAY UP. Dude, trust me.
Post her merch sale numbers. Oh wait, you can't because you don't have access to those numbers.

>>40350341
>>40350463
>>40350420
Very convenient of you using logic when it fits your narrative. Sure, Council made less during 2021 because they had less days to stream, but you're just going to conveniently ignore why Myth has less SCs in 2022 and just jump straight to "it's entirely because of males".

Let's all just ignore:
>Myth are streaming less
>Popularity of vtubers as a whole outside japan has declined with the pandemic over and lockdowns no longer a thing
>they have way more merch sales, memberships, and sponsorships now

>>40351532
She wasn't around in 2021 because she hadn't debuted yet.
If she wasn't around in 2022, that's a her problem.

>>40351856
Gura, Ina, and Ame are more irrelevant if we go by >>40347675. Cherry picking does not prove anything as I have just shown.

>>40352457
right back at you, did you miss me asking that dumbass why he brought up CCV in the first place like half an hour ago?

>>40347675
Nice, now compare HoloJP's results to their previous year as well.

Mori not only spent a shitload of hours on unmonetized streams this year, but also had like 5 to 7 different merch waves (birthday, Shinigami Note, sololive merch, Shinigami Note special edition when her US store opened, Sinderella, Sinderella release concert special edition, Shinigami Note vinyls), which sold out not only in her store but also topped CDJapan sales lists, not even mentioning the album sales on iTunes and wherever
her fans have little incentive to SC when they have new merch nearly every other month

>>40352605
nigger literally none of those replies implied whatever you thought they did. in fact i'd argue all of them would agree with you, they were just calling that anon retarded.

>>40352564
Mori and J-chad have stated that UMG is happy with the sales.

>>40352564
>strawman
>strawman
>strawman
ok

>>40352605
I ain't reading all that
I'm happy for you tho
or sorry that happened

>>40352605
This is literally deflection. No one made the comparison to Myth you nijinigger.

>>40352635
Right so if you've been here the whole time and literally seen CCV get brought up, why are you asking why?
Does it only count if it was you that brings it up?

>>40352722
>My source is Mori's words and Mori speaking for someone else
Still waiting for those merch sale numbers that are supposedly WAY UP despite every other metric being in the dumpster.
>>40352744
I posted hard numbers. All you guys did was claim bullshit with no proof. I'm fighting your bullshit arguments with more bullshit arguments.

>>40352700

moris gotta be making more than almost all of EN combined with the double life

>>40352858
>I posted hard numbers.
wrong, you posted some of her numbers, they have several sources of revenue

>>40352825
retard, my first post in the thread was me saying council split the SC revenues and that lockdown ended for the majority of the population and that anon brought up CCV for no fucking reason. he's yet to explain what the fuck do CCV have to do with what i said or the topic of the thread, are you dense?

>>40352891
I didn't know what you meant at first but forgot about the cartel

>>40352564
>source: I made it the fuck up
ZTM SpotifyJP official clip including Mori: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZL7jQ_ia-0
ZTM and Oral Cigarettes Spotify profiles, both over 1M listeners + both included in anime OP/ED production:
https://open.spotify.com/artist/38WbKH6oKAZskBhqDFA8Uj
https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rqJz9fE9prZvQd8WsQv6q
CapSule on Japanese TV: https://twitter.com/calliope_info/status/1602606228844478464
Mori topping CDJapan sales charts: https://twitter.com/CDJapan/status/1608247483716755456

don't make a clown out of yourself next time

>>40352891
Yeah she's been selling a lot of merch there that cover sees none of and has a couple thousand twitch subs from streaming like 1-2 times a month there. She knows how to make money.

>>40353061
There are no numbers given to the data. Of course a company will scream that selling a single box of CDs is a "success". It's all company cope to look better.

>>40353020
>still tries to push this bullshit even when supporters of the victim told him to fuck off.

You have lost any kind of goodwill from neutral people because you love to make everything about your crusade against Mori.

>>40352891
If we're including second lives. Then it's probably Mori, Ina, Kronii.

>thread turned into antis vs deadbeats arguing over something retarded again
Just another thread

>>40353061
>topping charts for one day
>1M plays, half of a "do U"
Why am I even arguing with you guys, you're proving my point for me.

So I just checked and it was relevant, you tried to dismiss it not because of CCV but because of the male implication.
Holy fuck you creeps are deceptive.
>>40348053
>>40349726
>>40348053

>>40353226
you said there's no source for all her appearances in the media and collabs, you got your source, don't cope and move the goalposts and just take the L like a normal person

>>40353061
Kek I started ignoring him after that posts because that shit was so easy to up and he obviously has terminal pink woman bad syndrome. Thanks for doing the leg work to make him look even dumber. You could also show her gaining almost 100k Spotify listeners in the last few weeks too to run salt in

>>40353226
Anon, this is third party data Spotify had.

>>40353280

the last one is news to me, is she active again? unless im pushing too far into forbidden knowledge

>>40353247
>can't make a joke
This is why you're the fanbase everyone makes fun of.

>>40353345
That's before sinderella dropped btw.

>>40353382
>everyone.
No, your delusions are the gift that keeps on giving. Continue to deny reality.

>>40353302
the CDJapan chart, which is the only one I posted, is a yearly sales chart you moron
and it's monthly listeners, not the viewcount, which makes you a double moron since only 4 Holos even break 200k Spotify listeners

>>40352605
brain damaged

>>40353435
Mate I don't even care about your cope.
You brought up rm shit, I made a joke about it.
That's what happened.

>>40350116
that was also due to males

>Barely stream
>make over 100k a year

mori is #1 myth sc earner for 2021 and #2 for 2022

>>40353517
You aren't even aware that you're talking to a different person?

You clearly are thinking that you're some hero out to save the world from LE EVIL PINK WOMAN and everyone who's against you are her henchmen!

>>40353665
Why the fuck did you reply to me then, I was making a joke you absolute creep.
Again, this is why people don't like Deadbeats. Nothing to do with Mori.

>>40353614
That's the baffling part if people really want to make this about Mori again. This is like laughing at someone who got $99 instead of $100

>>40353665
Dude, you know what? ...You're right. I let my temper get the best of me.
I'd like to apologize, calling you a moron was totally uncalled.

>>40347675
Work less get less.
Myth had more hours in their first year than council and myth this year what in the lazyness is going on.

>>40353722
it's literally one nigga who stalks every thread with pink woman, just call him Jeremy and he goes away

>>40353589
well shit you're actually not wrong

>>40353732
$100 is three digits, $99 is two digits. That is 33% less digits, what a complete fucking failure

>>40347797
Vtubing isn’t dying. Non-holo chuubas are gaining viewers. Hololive milked them, and now they’re boring and stale.

>>40347675
>kiara finally number 1
KFPSISTERS THIS IS IT

>>40353299

>>40353614
>mori is still the top after everyone lost 50% of their superchats
No shit, everyone lost nearly the same amount proportionally
Fact is that she has made $500k less, after that comes Gura with $400k less and she literally doesn't stream

Who even cares? From that first year alone even if they get half chopped off they outearned everyone on this god forsaken website.

>>40347675
>Lockdown lifted so less people inside
>Recession destroying savings
>Job losses

Yeah no shit income is down. It's probably the same for JP, and with the economy going to shit Hololive will likely lose sponsorship money, beccuase advertising means nothing when people can't afford to spend.

>>40353912
Which is why this whole thread shouldn't be about Mori, but the branch/gen as a whole, but yet, stupid people still want to make it about her.

>>40353793
2020-2021:
>a solid 350h/mo
2022:
>a flakey 200h/mo

I refuse to believe something didn't happen in January 2022, it's like they flipped a switch.

>>40353982
You have to understand. This thread is just a dick measuring contest but using numbers from the anime girl they jerk off to the most. This is what men in 2023 do nowadays.

>>40354061
If people want numbers, they should just watch the NBA. They're having historic numbers right now.

>>40353614
>#2 for 2022
Imagine losing to Kiara RUMAO.

>>40354049
Literally every girl has been mentioned individually.
Only an issue when it's Mori.

>>40354118
Imagine how much money numberniggrrs can win lose if they got into sports betting with how much they love to stalk ecelebs and argue about meaningless data

>>40354053

Council found their footing, and the whales are huge passive income that will support no matter what

>>40349494
No he's named after the chaddest 70s anime character

>>40354124
Kiara is the lowest subscribers, lowest vod, lowest ccv and still the most accomplished en while raking in $$$

>>40354240
sir, this is a post about myth

>>40354203
Well it's like Karaoke. You know she knows this specific song perfectly but then she makes a mistake randomly.
Damn, money lost.

>>40354049
>Which is why this whole thread shouldn't be about Mori, but the branch/gen as a whole, but yet, stupid people still want to make it about her.
Because deadbeats have the holy task to defend her in every thread, arguments need 2 sides to work you know

>>40347675
Impressive it's not down to 0% with the world problem right now.

>>40347743
Because of no pandemic.

>>40354405
anon, a defense can only act on an offense. Meaning it is reactive, not aggressive.

>>40354497
well, Kiara is being mentioned go defend her

>>40347743
A global recession?
Casual fans stopped watching vtubers?
Myth streaming hours decreased and fans started watching other vtubers?

>>40354292

council doubling ENs size basically bought myth some breathing room and by january council started to get comfortable in their new gig

>>40354533
Kiara has been in the #2 spot last year. So why is it suddenly a surprise that she'd take number 1? People say that they declined, but It's more to do with most of the group being exposed now. The money has moved to different branches and members. That's the truth here.

>>40354701
My money goes to Noels rm giant tits

You have to admit, Twitch vtubers have taken hold of a large market share in the EN sphere. Holo AND Niji numbers are both down while Indies and Vshojo have grown. It's only natural that vtuber audiences act like a zero-sum game. You can only spread them so thin. Holo had the advantage of being the only notable EN corpo in early 2021.

>>40354289
All three of those statements aren't true.

>>40350114
Yes. They're breaking stars records so far and are giving them an eop presence.
Just because malesanji was the first to breakthrough with luxiem and you numberniggers keep comparing them to the girls doesn't meant there isn't any growth and expansion in the stars department.

>>40354881
Twitch is a dying platform though, people are only on the site because of the big streamers they're following. If they left for youtube twitch would crash fast. Big events used to have 200k+ ccv but are struggling to hit 50k now. Kids to go twitch to jack off without getting in trouble with their parents and that's what vshojo offers. They're not getting a huge amount of subs and donations the same way the youtube chuubas do

>>40355135

>>40355148
I didn't really make a statement about the platform, only about the vtubers on it. Yes, if they moved to youtube they would take their audience and profits with them.

>>40347675
go whore go broke

>>40355359
unicorns and incels are not welcome

>>40355264
That's the thing, they wouldn't. The kids would just go jack off to amouranth again instead. They wouldn't follow the vshojos because they see twitch as the jack off website. They'd lose viewers because youtube streaming isn't softcore porn streaming the same way twitch is (unless you're a emoechi chuuba but they keep getting banned)

>>40354759
just torrent that shit

>>40355499
not enough on sukebei and it has none of the "brick and mortar" stuff

>>40353370
She did one VA project but it couldn't have been that lucrative

>>40355135
Wow good on them to win the gold in the special olympics with a full delegation of healthy people!

>Still thinking that superchats matter in the year 2023.
Anon, did you even see that Nijisanji report. Streaming is such a small part of their income that it barely mattered.

>>40347675
>Ina got 100k
>YT gets 33%
>Cover gets 33%
>$33,000 left for her
I get that she barely streamed but that's not even minimum wage. If she didn't live with her parents, she'd be on the streets.

>>40348664
Based Biden rider.

>>40356004
This isn't the gotcha you think it is.

>>40356163
>SCs is all income!
>ignores base wage, merch, rm funnel

>>40356275
Apparently the meaning was fully conveyed and it got a good reaction out of you so I'm satisfied.
I feel like an entertainer now. Time to apply for Tempiss 3.

>>40356163
She got cash from merch and deals, but yeah, if you're already a working professional that's not a very big monetary incentive.
Me and my friends are game industry artists, and we're all making $100k-$150k/year.
We're in our twenties.

>>40350220
Free speech was a mistake.

>>40356163
I want to dismiss your bait but you might really be that dumb.
>already bought a house
>SCs are not the only revenue stream
>has a completely different career
>she probably doesn't even come close to spending $30k USD in a year for basic expenses unless she goes out to eat every meal which she doesn't
what kind of fast life do you live?
fucked up part is that people survive on way less than that too

>>40356438
All depends on where you live homie, blizzard employees make like $70k annually and live in their cars because Cali (no, the other one) is shit

>>40347743
>gura and kiara down
its literally EN vtubing watchtime declining you dumbfuck. stop letting them live rent free in your head holy shit.

>>40356438
>what kind of fast life do you live?
Bro, rent for a 1 bedroom apartment in NY costs more than 33k a year. Maybe if she lived in a third world country like the ID girls but cost of living in a real country aint cheap.
Even if she makes say like another 30k from all those things you listed, that's still peanuts for somebody with that level of fame. A girl in the biggest Vtuber company in the world should be making at least six figures, if not more.

>>40355413
we run this place

>>40354289
KFP is a disease.

>>40356653
>Even if she makes say like another 30k from all those things you listed
Try 300k

>>40356338
I guess dopamine is cheap when pointing out how absurdly retarded your analogy is gets your dick wet.

>>40347675
quick! release more 3views homos to revitalize the girls!

>>40354289
>lowest ccv
I'm pretty sure Ame is lower on average these days. Kiara at least as cultivated loyalty among her fans. Ame openly hates her fans and basically has nothing going for her these days considering the EN market is so much more saturated. You can find better gamers, better entertainers, more original stream ideas, etc.

>>40356653
>doesn't rent
>home paid for
>doesn't need to commute
>mom brings her breakfast
>just needs electricity + internet
>socialized health care
I struggle to think how she spends even $50k unless she has a crippling gacha addiction. If she ever consulted anyone good with finances once she probably put most of her remaining money in Vanguard or shit.

>>40350220
Fauna and Bae deserve it honestly.

>>40351373
The biggest factor is the low credibility of the youtuber (vtuber) profession. In Japan, it is considered an unstable profession and the terms of various contracts are strict.

>>40347826
MattPat

>>40357334
It's true. Mori will lose all income 2023

>Big recession coming up this year
>Lockdowns are gone, so people are touching grass and not caring about v-tubers
>People working like dogs and taking care of things way more important than watching v-tubers
>Avoiding giving money via SC go get their roommate a direct financial support
>Merch
>Cons
>Music
And the list goes on. I love how people pretend to ignore many things to doompost muh EN is dead, they're far from dead, specially myth, but if i will give this fair point to doomniggers, Kiara is fucking carrying myth alone.

>>40350936
it's still genuinely inspiring to me that the depressed doomer JET we first met streaming from a shoebox apartment in 2020 now owns two houses

>>40357411
>a-any minute now!

>>40357487
>myth is far from dead
>b-but i'll admit it is being single-handedly carried by the least popular member in it that averages 2k viewers because nobody else streams whatsoever
Anon it kind of sounds dead to me

>>40357823
I knew you would past, yeah X is dead according do your metal illness anon kun

>>40357566
until she forecloses on them

Well no shit Gura hardly streamed. 2022, ina was on a hiatus as well

No excuse for the other whores though.

>>40350656
>>40350757
It doesn't surprise me at all, since Fauna has had no controversy and nor was she particularly indiligent. On top of that, she started to indulge her interests and personality more, and her interests, while sometimes a little kooky, are what gives her the enthusiasm to stream and stay positive while streaming. I can watch crusty old boomers pick up sticks from their yard and burn them, for fun, because I am energized by their passion. Fauna has managed to be the bright spot of EN for me, for that.

>>40347789
yagoo

>>40358211
>gura and ina
>both of the had the biggest % drop
>b-but they are excused because I say so!
cope

>>40347675
Maybe people just finally realized they are spending time and money on lazy streamers that aren't very entertaining?

But what do I know?

>>40351639
To be fair, it was Males that caused the global recession. WEF, Schwaab, Fauci, Biden, Trudeau, etc...

>>40357411
>>40357726
Considering she didn't understand how income taxes work at her age I wouldn't be surprised if she further runs her brand into the ground and then ends up peniless because she can't manage money.

>>40358448
Sure anon, then you will slay the Joberwockey and Save Narnia.

>>40357487
I like how we pretend that the people that did the country SC wars and the oil barons who spend $500 every stream are now being careful with their money, it couldn't be that those people simply lost interest in whatever vtuber and left, there must be an outside reason influencing them
And no, the people that send $5 every now and then do not make up a big portion of superchats

>>40358569
That is easy, they weren't into v-tubers, just being inside of a popular trend while it lasted. If you remember the bigger loser of that SC War it was Kiara, but you can see her bigger and oldest fan being in KFP till this day, isn't just losing people, it just people saw that shit is going to hit the fan, so now everyone is cautious and not over expending too much just in case.

>>40356893
Holy deflection, also Ames is way higher than kiaras

>>40358507
based DBZA enjoyer.

>>40359580
In 2021? Yes, but in 2022 lol no

>>40359751
Go on and show me proof then

>>40347675
2020/2021 was their year, they can't stay relevant for that long OP, if you actually use your brain for once, you'd know.

>>40358031
IF EN is being carried by a member that barely ever breaks 5k CCV that's dead anon. Fucking dead. Phase Connect is more popular than that.

>>40360047
It's like that poem: "better go capture this moment and hope it don't pass"

>>40360110
You're a little late in the thread to shill your indies

They're still raking in cash while you're discussing their earnings for weeks on end while working minimum wage. What a gotcha this is, how will they ever recover? Spare me this petty pointless CCV/SCfagging bullshit.

>>40360110
Manager kun, you suck at your job here lmao

>>40349300
I have been around the internet long enough to recognize when an entertainment entity, especially a corporate one, starts its 100% inevitable albeit slow circling of the drain. Dwindling fans come up with various ways to cope and block out reality as they hugbox the entity to death, and this right here is ALWAYS the #1 go-to. "The obvious numbers we can all see may have gone down, but they're making up for it with numbers we can't see!"

It's always fine, until it suddenly isn't.

>>40360812
Just like trump in 2020 am i right guyz?

>>40360812
What is the threat here? They're not getting fired. They still exist as icons in the virtual world until they graduate, regardless of stream frequency, and they're still raking in more cash than doctors. Like, for real, so what if they dip in popularity? That indie band with 60k listens can still be the best shit ever.

>>40347743
they all also took more breaks this year. deadly combo

>>40347743
FPBP

>>40359751
Proof doko

>>40347675
Misleading

First off 2021 was their first full year and first milestones will always get bigger superchats than subsequent years. Also 2022 introduced gifted memberships and a lot of fans do that now instead of superchatting. Combine that with more merch coming out and a general downturn in the economy and this makes perfect sense. Stop trying to start bullshit with something that has a perfectly valid explanation.

>>40349430
>easy mode
That's just being female, has nothing to do with hololive

>>40361543
THEY HAD A CHEAT CODE TO STREAMING AND THEY REJECTED IT.
It boggles my mind.

>>40347789
More like Unicorns are leaving Hololive in general and finding new girls to throw money at. Everyone left over is unityfags and everyone knows they don't have money.

>>40360511
nijiniggers have nothing to swagger around with if you take their superchat numbers out the metrics, bai lan (chink slacker) money to be precise.

>>40354255
based voltes v, you ojisan

>>40360047
this is pretty dishonest. a drop this massive isn't just because they're falling out of fashion, it's because they didn't stream nearly as much.

>>40362446
If that were true, Kiara wouldn't have lost as much. There is something to be said that she's the highest SC earner now out of her entire gen though.

>>40347675
Aren't Ames off like all the time though?

>>40347675
Hope and Council really cut into Myth's superchats. No wonder Kiara hates them so much.

>>40362814
She turns superchat off 60-70% of the time

>>40347743
The biggest depression the globe has experienced in recorded history?

>>40363273
Even more reason not to have male collabs.

how often do they even stream anymore

>>40358260
It's more surprising that she was last in 2021 anon. Also, Sana second!?

>>40361051
The threat is they get axed like HoloCN.

>>40363273
Anon, these fags don’t touch grass.

>>40347743
homobeggers fuming in replies fr fr

>COVID restrictions lifted
>Economy slowing down and going into recession
>Streaming less
The west isn't as enthusiastic about Vtubers as Japan is, so HoloJP hasn't seen much of a decline in money and CCV as EN. The trend really started in late 2021 as restrictions finally started to get lift and has since gotten worse for the girls in general.

>>40347743
Seem like nijisis are checking out the new star2, they want a new boytoy.

>>40347820
Basically this and the fact that we're in a recession are all you really have to look at. For half the year fuel cost me $5 a gallon. I'm a wagie slavie, I can't afford to spend money on anime girls but even if I could, what would be the point?
Myth especially are so popular with Westerners and some JOPs they could unironically sell merch of the myth girls at Walmart and people would buy it.

>>40366880
Sucks their success had to be on the backs of low value males they despise but oh well.

>>40348053
I mean i dropped HoloEN solely due to Mori and NijiEN cause of Luca

>>40347743
You a suffering a massive brain rot if this is what you think is the case.

>>40350220
2021 was from 3 months on the year, when you compare it to that it's even worse.

This thread needs to die or get sent to /#/. The autism is palpable

>>40347675
It's over.

>>40351138
unicorns barely qualify as fans given how quickly they're willing to move on from their "oshi"

>>40347743
>Will you get up, when it all falls down?

>>40374191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgx-WOn8CDA