/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

but coco didn't get fired.

>>40383781
Right one yes, breaking NDA is always worthy of severe punishment.
Left one wasn't even fired.

>>40383807
They made her suffer enough for volunteer resign

>>40383857
This

Coco wasn't fired, but firing Rushia was the dumbest thing they ever did. Yes even more stupid then two gens of homos in 6 months.

One didn't get fired tho

>um achshually she wasn't fired she was just excluded from events, sponsorships and collabs until she voluntarily left

"firing" coco was stupid, but uruha "ticking time bomb" rushia correct 100%

>>40383857
They just cancelled all her ideas repeatedly until she gave up and went elsewhere/

>>40383952
She doxxed other JPs of course she deserves to be fired. She's just lucky cover didn't sue her for damages

>>40383781
Left: I would fire her manager and get at least two full-time moderators to help clean up the chat until the attack dies down.
Right: I had to, if not then other girls would see this bullshit preferential treatment and I don't think even the quiet jp girls would simply resent me silently, it could get even messier than just firing rushia.

>>40383781
If I was in his position I would've let Rushia get blackmail material on me so she can ruin my life if I ever tried to remove her.

>>40383781
Yes, Kson is a fucking retard. I just didn't know it at the time. She's peak "woman" only surpassed by the likes of Mori. She fits perfectly in Vshojo.

>>40384063
She wasn't excluded from events or sponsorships. She was excluded from collabing with EN because they didnt want the stupid gaijin audience to shit things up by starting a war with the antis like they dud with Aloe.

>>40384122
She didn't doxx no one, fuck off. Youtube recommendations and this board doxx em all the time.

>>40383857
Wherever she'd go, whatever she'd do, whoever she'd collabed with, chinks would show up.
It was a mutual decision. Cover couldnt protect her and other members from the chink toxicity and she need a reset from the bullshit.
Regardless, Cover did fuck up multiple times, mainly by not standing firmly on her side from the beginning. But chink money shines too bright

no, internet drama literally does not stick nowadays unless you fuck kids and even then it barely hurts you

>>40384279
so why wasn't she at the new years event?
why wasn't she in holografitti?
why didn't she have any sponsorships when she can pull a fucking intel sponsorship on her own right after leaving?

>>40383952
What's wrong with firing someone that's intentionally giving out information about your company to a drama channel with the intention of damaging your company in the event that things don't go the way she wants?

>>40383781
Rushia is an obvious yes, you don't shitcan you biggest earner unless they royally fucked up

>>40384300
they didn't need to protect her
they just needed to stop holding her arms behind her back and let her protect herself

i'll never forgive Green woman for being so short sighted and making my Oshi cry for her.

>>40383952
Let's assume for the sake of argument she didn't leak shit.
She would have still gotten fired with cause at every other job ever because she was fucking suicide baiting on corporate accounts. She was a fucking liability at that point and a lawsuit waiting to happen if they kept her.

>>40383781
Coco yes Rushia no.

>>40383781

>>40384290
she gave her phone, with all of their private info, personal contacts, real life accounts etc to a dramatuber

>>40384279
>they didnt want the stupid gaijin audience to shit things up by starting a war with the antis

EN management themselves have been starting wars for the last 6 months or more

>>40383781
anyone from gen 4 and before should never get fired no matter what they do, being in hololive and building it from a literal who to what it has become is a huge achievement and it should always and forever be rewarded, even if I have to take the burn onto myself I would've never let those girls go through what they went through because they don't deserve it whatsoever

>>40383781
I'd fire Mori for the Conner shit, Sana, Ina and Ayame for being lazy shits, and Kronii for 'Don't you have any female friends' to an audience of single men.

>>40384279
She was exclued all in main event and they didn't give any sponsor to her until SEGA must help her by choose only Coco

>>40384649
She didn't do that. How about let's not make up shit regarding what she did wrong so that the faggots can't just call everything a "schizo rrat"?

I would cook up some excuse to fire the left for being ungrateful and publish a joint statement with the right letting her clarify that she's single

>>40384404
Where is that video on korekore's channel with all cover top secrets and doxxes of her coworkers? Doesn't exist.
See, this guy >>40384521 gets it. Breaking NDA was a pretext, real reason she got fired was a backlash after showing mafumafu's message on stream. Anyone who was on this board and remember how it looked one year ago knows that.

>>40384809
>I'd fire Mori
Based beyond believe

>>40384809
I'd fire Gura for being lazy and Ame for having an OnlyFans.

>>40383781
Rushia's a no brainer, she went full retard and became a liability despite her big ass earnings, she had to go.
Coco is trickier, she wasn't fired but I suspect she was "encouraged" to graduate.
I'd definitely put more effort into helping her out in the form of moderation and making it clear I'm on her side, I still maintain Cover did her dirty.
I get the feeling Cover tried to get out of that yab with the China branch unscathed, but you can't serve two masters and going full Chinese isn't an option since you can't really succeed in China without being Chinese.
Not that I'm confident a period of extra moderation would help since that assumes the Chinese schizos would get tired of it before Cover did, but it would be worth a shot.
Arguably Coco deserved a slap on the wrist because she brought up Taiwan after X did on accident (I honestly forgot who that was) but as far as I can tell (or indeed remember) she essentially stood up for he colleague and I can't really fault her for that.

That's assuming I'd have complete control over everything, YAGOO doesn't, I don't recall off the top of my head of Cover has investors but even as a completely private company sponsors no doubt pressured him to sort this shit out ASAP, and Japanese businesses probably wouldn't entertain my approach to the Coco issue.

not Coco
but she'd eventually leave anyway
Rushia, definitely

>>40384890
When did I say there's any secretys and doxxes, retard? You talk about the korekore streams as if you've seen them so you must know that she talked shit about hololive and said to leak her messages if she "disappears". What the fuck do you think that means? Was she making le hecking wholesumy funny right there or what?

>>40384497
Marine?

>>40384735
you don't know chris.

>>40385047
Learn to read and do your reps

>>40385027
>Arguably Coco deserved a slap on the wrist because she brought up Taiwan after X did on accident (I honestly forgot who that was) but as far as I can tell (or indeed remember) she essentially stood up for he colleague and I can't really fault her for that.
This is a narrative made by chinks to justify attack on Coco, cause then it was not "accidental" but "deliberate" i see it getting parroted a lot here.

>>40385190
Ah, the standard Rushia defender response. You insist that the simple messaged mean something completely different and nobody knows Japanese.
Was she actually telling korekore to protect hololive in case she kills herself? She was definitely saying that when she said she hates the management and a senpai.

>>40383781
I would fire them for refusing to promote the boys because yagoo is gay

>>40385047
>intentionally giving out information about your company to a drama channel with the intention of damaging your company
where is the video on korekore's channel with information damaging cover company leaked by Rushia?
Just fuck off already, clown.

>>40385268
no you see when she threw her phone off a roof to suicide bait it was actually her being a good and mentally well person

>>40385355
this shit made me dislike her a lot. attention whore suicide baiters deserve all the shit that they got

>>40385343
Korekore choosing to not destroy himself at Rushia's behest doesnt mean she didnt try
Cover did their investigation and saw what she was doing and fired her
cope

>>40385343
Every single thing she says about what happens at work behind closed doors is information about the company you fucking retard.
Again, what was the purpose of shit talking her co-workers and then asking korekore to tell everyone about what she had said if she kills herself? Why did she do that and how is that completely unrelated to to hololive and Cover?

>>40385465
its just a jork. a little bit of mischief to always remember her by

>>40385452
Korekore running a drama channel is not destroying himself?

>>40385252
It'd be a bit odd for Coco to make the same mistake so soon after the last one, and Coco's no doormat, I could definitely see her pulling a stunt like this.
It's like that episode in DS9 (A change of heart, I think?) where Worf goes back to save Jadzia at the expense of the mission and the VIP's life.
It's a bad decision in the grand scheme of things but I have a hard time thinking less of her for it, I'd even go as far as say it was honorable.

If this really is a Chinese narrative meant to paint Coco in a bad light I suspect the only people they managed to preach to is the choir, it makes her look pretty cool and I suspect most people (save for the Chinese) would share my sentiment.

>>40385519
How is he destroying himself when he has been doing it for over a decade? He even has his old bitches like Rushia running back to him after swearing to sue him.

>>40383952
>Yes even more stupid then two gens of homos in 6 months
It's too soon to really tell

>>40385519
he knows what not to post so he doesnt get sued, unlike Rushia

>>40383781
No, to both

>>40385343
He literally said he wouldn't touch the shit she told him. Unlike her, he knows how to not fucking destroy his livelihood.

>>40385562
for fucks sake. Cocos asacoco that had that segment came a few hours after Haachamas stream. at that point hachama wasn't even in trouble yet.
the entire fucking point of the narrative was to gather more chinks for their retarded shit and the west eating it up just made the whole thing easier for them.

>>40385452
So no leaks and doxxes by Rushia? What a bummer. Seems like she was fired for another reason. Maybe it even has something to do with gta stream with Miko.

>>40385756
Why was she threatening to kill herself and telling korekore to tell everyone about what she had told him all the way back in November? Answer, mikecuckold.

>>40384890
korekore specifically said he was given so much stuff even he knew he shouldn't show it all. if cover asked him what exactly he was and he shared what he knew, they could make the call on if rushia gave him too much. apparently, she did.

firing her was not something they would do lightly; they had literally just came out in defense of her the week or so prior, she must have done something incredibly bad.

>>40385756
try to follow along dimwit, she leaked it to kore, kore chose not to publish it. she still leaked it to him

>>40385810
She was fired way before November m8.

>>40385937
February 2022 happened before November 2021? You cucks are mental.

>>40385722
>at that point hachama wasn't even in trouble yet.
Wasn't she? I vaguely recall it attracted some discussion before Coco's stream.
Well, all the more reason to try and protect Coco with extra moderation for a time period.
Ultimately if Coco felt Cover had her back rather than tapping their foot and expecting her and her managers to magic it away she wouldn't break down crying mid stream, she wouldn't need to restrict chat to members only and I'd go as far as say Coco wouldn't even need to acknowledge the situation on stream, surely even 5 chat mods could ban spammers faster than they could create new accounts.
The way Cover handled the Coco drama is a black stain on the company.
I don't know if keeping her in Cover was practical or if Cover management even had the option to act differently without spooking their sponsors away but it looks like they didn't even try and it's really telling about how they view the talent and employees in general.

Yes and yes

>>40385902
You don't know what she did or did not leak to him because no one saw it. I leaked to korekore video of me fucking your mom.

>>40385810
Kson slapped her and ate rice with her.
Told her to stop and change her's mind by join VshojoJP with her.

Both Mike and Cover are not good sides but only Kson came to save our world.

>>40386036
That has nothing to do with what she said to korekore, retard.

>>40386034
so you rather believe they unjustly fired her for no reason? while also supporting her?

>>40386034
Your argument is as good as all the western "fans" saying you can't fire someone for breaking NDA if you don't show everyone the information that was leaked.

>>40386075
She's his "wife" so he has to support her even though he doesn't know Japanese.

>>40385996
NGA want to attack Haachama but they just change target to Coco.

They want to kill Yagoo from CEO position and massive graduation in the first place.

Pic related

>>40386034
she gave her phone to korekore to prove she didnt have a relationship with mafumafu. both she and korekore said this
are you calling HER a liar?

>>40385996
Look, I don't understand the autism that you're posting here.
>Doesn't fire Coco, literally leaves the China market for Coco
>Management makes a 180 and tries to force Coco out
>???
Like, only chinks can be this retarded.

>>40386115
its pretty weird to believe that cover would fire rushia while releasing a statement about "her private life is her own business" and the whole twiiter crowd/reddit supporting her to the point rushia herself is telling her own fans that she doesnt really have any relationship with the guy just because. do rushia defenders really believe that people are really stupid?

>>40386065
> You just imply that Mike didn't talk about Coco's situation to Dramatuber for her's friend.

>>40386174
Please stop making up bullshit about what she did. I'll just call you a falseflagger because you're making it way too easy for this cuck to argue against actual points against his whore.

>>40386075
She was fired because everyone was shitting on her after she showed mafu's message on stream.

>Coco
I would've made her naked dogeza and apologize, and if that didn't get the antis off her back I would've fired her
>Rushia
I would've sussed out the vibe among the rest of the company, if other talents were upset or angered by her actions I would've fired her, if not, business as usual.

i would ask rushia to staple herself like that one menhera vtuber to prove her innocence,

>>40386229
Learn English before posting. You are making 0% sense and can't communicate.

>>40386206
They can't fire her directly or Cover will be burn to ground. They made her suffer in Hololive enough until she want to quit.

> Banishment room 101

>>40384118
That is just the tip of the iceberg, did you forget that some Cover employee fat fingered and gave one of her anti's mod powers who then ran amok and proceeded to ban ALOT of Coco's fans and supporters? It took Coco weeks to clean that shit up all the while trying to clarify the circumstances to the hurt and confused fans targeted by the incompetence of Cover.

No to both. Coco getting quarantined and isolated until she quit was bullshit and Rushia's NDA breach incident was panic induced during a time management was unable to act and has had 0 consequences for the company. Hololive is worse off for losing the two of them. Coco should have been supported more decisively from the beginning and Rushia should have been disciplined and put on leave to calm down until drama tourists started to drop off.

>>40384475
Preach, based and clear headed take.

Now the brain dead tatsunocuck ESL is here.

>>40386330
I think he mean Narukami hint us real about " What really happen" in Coco's incident that Rushia leaked it to them.

>>40386335
>Cover will be burn to ground
Burned by who? The small Western market that was only getting started at the time?

>>40386385
>Rushia's NDA breach incident was panic induced during a time management was unable to act
????
She had been talking to korekore for months by that point. Where's the panic in that? The only "panic induced" thing she did was expose herself as still being in contact with him.

>>40384290
Youtube recommendations and people on this board did not sign a contract stating that they wouldn't do it though.

>>40386471
>She had been talking to korekore for months by that point. Where's the panic in that?
cover knows? is that what you're implying?

>>40386458
> by 3 strongest fan bases in Hololive aka
Sukonbu, Haton and Tatsunoko.

>>40386527
They knew in January when korekore mentioned her by name when she sent him a New Years greeting. What are you implying? Le black company planned it all along? Kill yourself.

>>40386471
>management was unable to act
All RM thottery explained.

>>40383857
hey if we believe the rrats the en whores might be next in line

>>40386527
Cover know anon.
They know before November

>>40386576
no, im asking straight if cover knows. it's literally a new info for me
>>40386605
huh

>>40386558
That is the equivalent value as China? No they are not.

>>40386576
Totally wrong here.
They knew and warn her about this before New year day

>>40386657
Stop talking you fucking ape.

>>40386654
Sukonbu, Haaton and Tatsunokos are very strong at that time anon. They even surpass Chinese money in Bilibili send to Cover

>>40386734
Consider the China merch opportunities, the sponsorship opportunities. Many Hololive fans in the West came in because of the Azur Lane collab. What if there was another similar collaboration?
Cover decided to go with Coco instead of all those potential opportunities.

>>40386206
Cover didn't pull out of China "for Coco", they pulled out because Chinese schizos made it clear they're going to shit on everything within reach.
Neither did they "make a 180" and force Coco out to appease the Chinks, they did it because Coco was drawing fire and Cover wanted to get it as far away from them as possible.
Cover pulled a gif related and hoped Coco would fuck off and take the schizos with her.
Cover basically hope either everything would blow over or Coco and her immediate management would be able to magic the problem away on their own.
What I'm saying is Cover should have grown a pair, called in some reserves to moderate Coco's chat until things calmed down and actually bothered to help their talent out instead of throwing her under the bus the way they did.
What's hard to understand?

>>40386649
Cover provides a phone for them when they join hololive
Rushia was stupid enough to use this phone for her personal contacts
they went through this phone as part of the investigation
they know everyone she talked to and what she said to them

>>40386714
Look at Korekore.
You will see he talked and show message about Rushia was hated by her manager and want her to stop communicate with Korekore but she refuse.

That mean Cover know before New year and from message picture, Manager wsrn her in November.

>>40386886
Post proof, ape. Why is your English so bad? Where are you from?

>>40386815
Going into the China market is always a double edged sword though, look at the individuals who had their lives subsidized by China and moved there and now by various means are practically not allowed to leave. Or the companies that went full in on China only for their products to be disassembled, studied for tricks of the trade of a sort and then reproduced suddenly by a Chinese company and being driven into ruin. There are a few positive stories but by and large dealing with the Chinese market is like making a deal with the devil, no amount of sheer excessive moolah is worth that.

>>40386922
ごめんなさい
私の英語は下手です
本当にごめん

>>40386950
hindsight is 20/20. pretty sure at that time, the chinese market is a gold mine. it's just nowadays that china is getting a little bit uppity

>>40387052
Nice LARP but you need to post proof of what you claimed.

This is why Tempus > whatever whores you guys are peddling. No drama, only good streamers. Give the boys a chance. You will like them too

I would've never hired them in the first place. Aloe and La+ too.

>>40387055
Admittedly things looked alot rosier under Jintao or maybe they were just better at hiding their machinations back then. Either way a decade ago I'd totally agree that it would be very, very tempting to go into the fastest growing economy even if it came with some weird technicalities and restrictions you had to uncomfortably agree with. Going into China now that? I'd question the judgement of anyone looking to take that risk these days.

>>40387115

>>40386950
>>40387055
Also, it would be difficult for China to copy Hololive and achieve similar success, because they don't have the same international reach as Japan. Thank you Great Firewall.

>>40387055
China being a disaster for non-chinese companies is by no means news.
The only way to truly succeed in China is to be Chinese.
The Chinese market is a gargantuan goldmine, yes, but China is structured in such a way that Chinese companies have the de-facto freedom to copy everything and a substantial preferential treatment from the authorities.
Holo's China adventure was doomed to fail, Taiwan yab or not, if the Chinks hadn't gotten pissed at cover a Chinese not-hololive would have emerged and pushed them back to the other side of the sea.

>>40387311
we need an opium war 2.0...

>>40387091
はい、受け取ってください
https://youtu.be/P3yadVEV-f4

>>40384118
After she proved herself fully incapable of not making things look like suicide or crack, the last one she stopped on her own.
What your talking about is a thing, but not in this case

>>40384475
This.

>>40387410
There's no proof here that Cover knew about Rushia talking to korekore before 2022.

>>40383781
Can I get some proof of Rushia suicide baiting?

>>40383781
Coco quit. I probably would have done more to make her not quit though. And Rushia just needed to be sent to therapy and be given a manager that worked better with her. Hololive would be stronger if both were still there.

>>40387456

>>40387456
its the clip wherein she threw her phone from a bridge. we even got minecraft parodies of it

>>40387436
Look carefully

>>40387531
Timestamp it

>>40387496
If Coco stay, She and Kanata can come to help her but Coco can't intervent anymore at that time.

>>40383781
Only Rushia.

>>40387522
Can someone translate please?

>>40387311
Not to mention they enacted a bunch of rules making vtubing basically impossible there these days unless you are straight up a CCP stooge spouting propaganda like North Korean news broadcaster tier. Also anyone who SCs them has to dox themselves to do it now etc.

Fujos from there flocked to Luxiem like wildfire yeah, and this only really worked because NijiEN is not even in China and the ladies only watch them over proxies or bili restreams. So actually, you can be very successful in China without actually having your company or talents there. They literally do not need a local office branch there to benefit, they just have to luck out and hope the Chinese themselves reach outward to chuubas on their own volition, which it is proven they can.

So yeah it's not really a big deal they shed it for Coco actually, not to mention they weren't even popular compared to JPs and I'm pretty sure Coco alone made more in income than the entire CN branch combined.

>>40383781
Right one, perhaps. She did break the NDA, but firing her outright without a warning is not something I would do immediately. At least I'd have a talk and see what really was going on. Of course we in the audience don't know what was happening behind the scenes, and it's highly likely this was not the first time Mikeneko was causing problems.
Left one, no. But Yagoo didn't technically fire her either.

>>40385465
It's a fucking vtubing company, not the CIA. Considering nothing actually got leaked, the correct response would be to get the person she leaked to to sign an NDA, and then for Rushia to be heavily suspended and required to go to therapy, and undergo a mental fitness test before being allowed to stream again. She's not some supervillian. She's a damanged girl, she needed help long before things got that point. She had been having problems for the year previous to that. The time to step in was then.

>>40387591
11.15 and 12.40

>>40387821
Nothing about Cover is said there.

>>40387705
You know google lens?

Still she wasn't fired in November, so NDAfags could go fuck themselves. Rushia was breaking NDA and suicide bating for months, but coincidentally gets fired after showing mafumafu's message on stream.

>>40383952
if they didn't fire her then parts of their nda wouldn't be enforceable elsewhere. They had no choice.

>>40387782
AGAIN, what was the purpose of shit talking her co-workers and then asking korekore to tell everyone about what she had said if she kills herself? Why did she do that and how is that completely unrelated to to hololive and Cover?
She was already seeing a therapist and she already had medication which she refused to take. You talk like this evil black company bullied a poor mentally ill girl and didn't get her the help she needed when she was constantly antagonizing them and threatening to take them down with her.
She got all the fucking help she needed, she was told to stop contacting bad people that get her in trouble long before anty of this happened and she STILL DID ALL OF IT.

>>40388060
She wasn't fired in November because they didn't know you fucking retard. Her talking like this to korekore is shown to blow the fuck out of your "she just panicked!!!" excuse.

>>40387782
No shit got leaked but the dramatuber a considered it nuclear and sealed it away. Her own lawyers told her to stop perusing it

>>40383781
EN managers

>>40387939
He showed about Rushia first contact to Korekore after 2 years without any contact. 12.40 show her hate to Hololive's management to Kore and be power harrasment from management.

16.54 Rushia told Kore to stop mention her because Hololive manager hate it

>>40388193
And where's the proof that Cover knew she talked to korekore before New Year?
Rushia is a whore who loved mafumafu.

>>40388132
Cover know it anon

Rushia talked about it with Korekore

No to both, they were fun to watch and I liked them.

China sucks anyways and whatever scary leaks people try to pin on Rushia hasn't materialized in any way after nearly a year now.

>>40388251
Yeah after new year when korekore said her name on stream you fucking retarded monkey.

>>40388235
> because Rushia talked to Kore stop mention about her because she got warned by Hololive's manager before Newyear

>>40388315
>before Newyear
You haven't proven this, ape.

>>40383781
Coco wasn't fired but I wish she didn't quit anyways and no for Rushia

>>40388286
> You really think Kore not mention Rushia before Mafumafu drama?

>>40388356
He mentioned her after new year you fucking idiot. Prove that he mentioned her before.

>>40387782
that's not how it works anon, if you choose not to enforce clear and intentional violation of nda then you lose legal power to in latter cases. You can't choose when and when not. If Cover had still been 3 people and 15 talents maybe they could have made it work, have them all sign different contracts with changed nda's next year. But they're a 400~ person company when rushia was terminated, they grew too much to just change the contracts concerning leaks on a dime like that, one sponsors take into account, and a contract likely agreed to by every employee in the company. If they didn't enforce they'd lose the right to enforce it under even more damaging circumstances.

https://www.foley.com/en/insights/publications/2017/05/how-weak-are-employee-nondisclosure-agreements-the

Sound business practices are paramount, they have too many eyes on them from everywhere to be lax about it.

>>40387456
Not sure if any of the links from then still work and never downloaded it but there was a fan recording of a sudden guerilla twitcast she held for all of a few minutes a day or two before the termination news broke that was initially just the howling of wind (recorded outside) while chat went bonkers 'Are you OK!?' 'What's wrong!?' '[name]!?' then she did some short blurb while sobbing. Forgot the exact translation but it was something along the lines of 'life is not fair, why is this happening, you didn't even give me the chance to have a proper goodbye' and then heard what sounded like the phone being thrown in a way to mimic like it or herself was thrown from some height.

>>40388396
You mean Hololive manager know Rushia contact Kore before New year right?

Engrish is hard

>>40383781
Coco - Only knew her for the meme review shit and asacoco, but she seemed nice enough so no.

Rushia - She was good at her job and I would have went out of my way to keep her. Her being fired honestly made me care about Hololive less than I used to.

>>40388661
Stop lying.

I would offer Coco collabs and events in return for sexual favors.
I would let Rushia stay in the company after a month suspension + sexual favors on demand.

>>40388718
That proof nothing anon.
That just show Rushia told Kore to stop mention her because of manager in 05/01/2022

> It's not show any fact about how long Hololive manager know this information

>>40388918
https://twitter.com/venezuela098756/status/1478414032801759232
https://twitter.com/shunwakannai/status/1478413939059093505
korekore talked about Rushia/Mikeneko after new year. Why are fandead always lying and trying to start up crazy conspiracy theories?

You can't prove that korekore talked about her before new year because you are lying just like every retard who still likes the whore known as Mikeneko.

>>40388975
>You can't prove that korekore talked about her before new year.

Retardchama.... We talk about when and how long Hololive manager know about Rushia contact to Korekore. You are off topic

>>40383781
If I was in Yagoo’s position, I would
- Fire Omega
- Fire the entire EN management team
- Fire most of the EN staff (not talents)
- Place an official limit for male collabs to once a month per holomem
- Debut EN gen 3 a week after Homos 2 just spit in their face
- Debut EN gen 4 in 6 months
- Win back my actual fanbase

>>40389092
They knew after korekore said mikewhore sent him a message on new years. They did not know before that.
You need to prove that they knew but you won't because you are a liar and a troll.
You are off topic and need to be banned.

>>40389167
Why are you blaming homos and management for the EN girls own desire to collab with the homos?

>>40389173
> She mention that Hololive manager know about contact to Kore before New year.
> Rushia got warned by manager but she contacted Kore anyway.

What do you want more?

>>40389291
Where's the proof?

>>40383781
>Rushia leaked information
>Somehow this leaked information never went public making it impossible to verify that it ever happened
>everyone sides with the corporation anyway
sasuga yagoo-sama

>>40389384
This post was made for retards like you >>40388060
Why would you ever employ someone like that?

>>40383781
Cover handled both of their situations like retards, so no. I'd also do something to keep Yogiri if she wanted.

>>40389458
damn look at all that juicy information about coworkers

>>40389594
Why is she threatening to kill herself over work? Why is she asking him to publish what she told him?

>>40389635
wheres the leaks?

>>40389544
They did nothing wrong in Rushia's case. Nothing would have undone her past contact with korekore which got her fired.

>>40389701
She's an insider saying the company makes her want to kill herself. How is that not a leak and a breach of trust?

>>40389219
You don’t think internally management pushed them to collab with the guys?
Especially with how fast and how frequently they collabed in the beginning?

“Don’t be afraid to support the boys! Remember, most of our fans support them too! It’s just a handful of problematic incels that don’t like them! Tehe!” - Omega

>>40383781
I would be smart about it. I'd Immediately ban any Chinese IP addresses from posting on her streams and hire at least 2 moderators specifically to insta-ban posters that seem to be of chinese origin.

>>40389780
Yeah they were pushed into collabing with the homos just like JP. Oh wait, that didn't happen in JP.
Was it also EN management that made them insult their fans for not liking the homo collabs? Those are your bitches having shit personalities out of their own nature and not something management imposed on them.

>>40384383
>why wasn't she in holografitti?
She was though

>>40389885
No it was the management that gaslit them into thinking they were doing the right thing by collating with them.

They ended up learning the hard way that their fans are 95%+ straight men who are there for the girls. And that the people they insulted wasn’t a “small group of trolls”, but in fact the majority of their fans.

>>40389970
Just like what happened with JP, right? Oh wa- You know the deal. Homos existing is only a problem because your EN bitches and the MAJORITY of EN audience loves that co-ed shit. No, this site is not the majority.

>>40388646
kino

>>40388975
>Why are fandead always lying and trying to start up crazy conspiracy theories?
The only one starting crazy conspiracy theories are the ones who against Rushia.

My explanation:
>Rushia shows message from mafumafu on stream
>everyone shits on GFE queen turning out to be whore craving e-celebs cock
>cover fires her to avoid more drama
As simple as that.

But no, you always come up with all sorts of stories about what happened behind the scenes. When there is little to no evidence what actually happened it's easier to speculate, right?

>>40388646
She also referenced that day later as a genuine suicide attempt.

>>40390030
>Loves the coed shit
You have to go back.

Their number are fucking abysmal. Even in a promoted group collab with all of tempus they can barely hit 5,000 ccv.
Gura would get 5 times that amount herself literally afk taking a shit on the toilet or cleaning her room.
Nobody wants this fags.
And the only people who like the fags are Chinese Fuji’s and non-binary in the coolest homosexuals from Twitter.

>>40389968
not between the taiwan thing and her quitting

>>40383781
No. Them getting fired and getting picked up by vshojo was one of the worst thing that could've happened for vtubing

>>40390180
Everything about why she was fired was explained by korekore and you're wrong. There are no stories about what happened behind the scenes. We have proof of what happened.
Now how will you prove that she did not talk to korekore since November of 2021 and did not ask him to release what she had said about Cover/hololive if she kills herself? None of this is "all sorts of stories about what happened behind the scenes". It has all been proven and referenced to by her as being real.

>>40390205
Their numbers being abysmal doesn't change the fact that majority of EN fans love the idea of shitting all over GFE/parasocials or whatever the fuck the hip way to refer to them is these days. The general EN audience encourages their behavior but ironically changes their content overall for the worse.

And what are your thoughts about these two?

>>40389330
We can assume that Manager know before 05/01/2022 and we can't know that how long they know about this

>>40389805
This so much. The problem is China, not Coco. All Coco did was say the truth, which is that Taiwan is a country.

>>40390530
> They are comrade who protect other back
> Adepticus Sororitas

>>40390560
Yeah manager knew is 04/01/2022
You have no proof manager knew before new year so you can't assume they did.

>>40390433
>Majority of EN fans
Once again. You have to go back. To Reddit and to Twitter. Your home.

Nobody outside of Twitter and Vtweeter comments believes that shit.
You are in an echo chamber anon.
90% of us are the people these retards are trying to “own”. We’re the people that keep the lights on.

Now hurry along. Khyo and FalseEyeD are sure to have your next segment of bullshit for you to gargle.

>>40389805
How do you ban Chinese IPs from Youtube when China bans Youtube? That's literally the reason why there's only Taiwan on Youtube statistics for countries and no China.

>>40390609
>manager knew is 04/01/2022
You can't proof it either anon.
Manager may talk to Rushia several times already but Rushia just decide to stop Kore in 05/01/2022.

You also lack of evidence as I am

>>40390726
I can. Korekore mentioned Mikeneko on his stream on 04/01/2022. Rushia manager told her to not talk to him on 05/01/2022.

>>40390763
Where is your proof?
Give me your link stream

>>40383781
No to both. Huge mistake in both situations that made Hololive worse. They were pillars of the company and it just feels shitty to look back to when they were around and then look at the current Hololive. Times were better and they were both part of why.

>>40390908
https://twitter.com/venezuela098756/status/1478414032801759232
https://twitter.com/shunwakannai/status/1478413939059093505
https://i.4cdn.org/vt/1673011791777617.png

>>40390998
Rushia was never a "pillar" of anything.

>>40391010
Even the Rushia thread talked about it lol
>>/vt/thread/S15642821#p15829430

>>40386206
They pulled out of CN because Bilibili started actively fucking them over and trying to poach the entire CN branch from under them.

>>40391258
I concede

>>40383781
No, but I would seek the heads of the faggots that isolated Coco and mod the antis on her chat.
In Rushia case, I would have to have more info than what I currently do to say for sure.

>>40383781
No, if only because they were both good at streaming and live events. Not to mention bringing in superchats. After reading the thread Rushia is also still powerful enough to have people seething a year later, so that's a good bonus.

>>40391886
Rushia wasn't good at live events though.

>>40383781
fuck no.
they're holo's top talents back then, anon.
it's always been Cover's incompetence and autism that cause shit like this.
>Asacoco was very popular back then
>Coco fucked up
>Instead of giving her a slap on the wrist, they pushed the nuke button
>then she barely involved other talents in the show and talk more about herself, including her sub number
>Taiwan on screen.

>>40386206
both, anon. they want to get rid of both.
the bullies and the one being bullied are "troublesome" for them.

>>40391982
She was and I wish she had done more of them.

>>40392162
She did almost no high quality content in hololive despite being one of the supposed biggest money makers, and now she's out of money.

>>40383781
no

>>40383781
Man... I FUCKING LOVE TIME LOOPS

>>40383781
This makes me wonder what ever happened to the CN branch? Specially the taiwan girl, did they continue their careers or did Corona fucked them all up?

>>40384300
I just can't understand how she thought breaking out on her own was going to stop the chink spam.. but it worked, didn't it? She doesn't get bombarded by them hardly at all

>>40392139
>then she barely involved other talents in the show and talk more about herself, including her sub number
This is so disingenuous that I hope you're just a newfag. That's not how "Taiwan on screen" happened and she wasn't even focusing on her own numbers in the convo

>>40393680
that's what happened.
after the "hanging" incident and she got banned from streaming, the show didn't involve other talents as much as before.
so she had to resort to other topics for her 45-60min asacoco. the easiest thing to do for her at that time was to add more news about herself

>>40383781
Yeah I would fire a fat load in their asses LMAO.
I miss the bitch

Wait
Do retards here seriously buy Korekore's "she sent me loads of shit, I swear, but I can't show any of it" bullshit?
This board is full of actual retards, I swear

>>40388646
We know she didn't throw her phone out the window. Her last line in that cast would make absolutely no sense if she had and she herself denies throwing it
She also wasn't outside. The window in her apartment was open

>>40394802
Korekore speaks on the stream that he consult with " Cover" for checking before he steam.

>>40394802
I have never, not even once, referenced it, but you morons will happily attribute it to my posts anyways.
She threatened to kill herself and told korekore to say it was because of her work. That's what happened.

>>40395121
Are you an actual Jap anti? People in the west don't trust a word from Kores mouth unless he has receipts
Go back to 5ch

>>40395139
Was I replying to you in my post?
The fact that you have "pride" as an anti is legitimately embarrassing. Also Marine likes Rushia

>>40395440
Yeah and Marine also hates Cover. She wants to graduate so bad but can't.

Marine wants to collab with Rushia which is why she is depressed every other week.

>>40395526
>>40395440
There was a time when Marine liked Rushia, she doesnt anymore, they dont interact at all, online or irl
There was a time when Marine wanted to leave hololive, she doesnt anymore, she strongarmed management into going along with her ideas

>>40395526
I should have guessed you were Marineschizo

>>40387115
I mean I'm a homo fan, but Vesper did get the first suspension of an EN talent in hololive history. So it's not been completely smooth sailing.

>>40395633
Marine still likes Rushia and they do talk.

>>40395639
But I like Marine and I know Marine likes Rushia and hates Cover. Are you implying that hating Cover is bad? You hate Rushia.

>>40383807
That is how Japanese companies work, they isolate you until you give up

>>40383781
>there are still people defending R*shia
This board is well and truly disconnected from reality

Coco taking advantage of Rushia right after her being fired and being diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder and Anxiety so that she could get into slut-shojo may be one of the worst things she has done.

>>40395833
Hololive wasn't a Japanese company anymore when Rushia got fired?

>>40388132
A-Chan herself heavily implied that the reason Rushia got fired had more to do with sponsors than talent. And if the same thing had happened when Hololive were smaller she wouldn't have been fired. Which is ironic because Rushia was a big part of making hololive what it is today. I'm sure Yagoo cried over it, but I also think he should have been stronger. At the end of the day he has to protect these girls, sometimes from themselves. If that means losing some sponsors, then so be it. But they could have just suspended Rushia and all parties would have been fine.

>>40395955
Idk what are you talking about but indeed Coco got fired before Rushia

Source on mike being out of cash? Didn't holo earn her buttloads?

>>40395976
That's a whole lot of words to not say anything about the fact that Rushia told korekore to blame Cover for her death if she kills herself.
What A-chan did is called maintaining an image. They let Rushia also lie about who she was talking about in her messages to korekore. She literally said senpai, but insisted that actually it's not a talent.
Everyone benefits if you just believe it was strictly about business matters and not about any number of people being shitty.

>>40396157
people who're mentally half their age and unstable aren't sensible with money

>>40396157
I don't know about right now but she was claiming to not have enough money to do what she wants when she was still in hololive, but back then she was pretending to be a complete NEET as Mikeneko.

>>40395825
>Marine still likes Rushia and they do talk.
No, they don't, unless you have an evidence to the contrary?

>>40390616
>You are in an echo chamber anon.
lmao

>>40396157
All she has said is that she has noticed that she's eating into her total savings/money due to the fact that she has hired multiple lawyers to handle her anti suits.
Ignore these two retards
>>40396234
>>40396385
espeically that second point. Everyone watching Mikeneko knew she was Rushia, but obviously she isn't able to talk about that as Mikeneko without breaking her contract. If you actually want to know about her, ask in her general, not here where there are multiple dedicated antis waiting to spread lies

>>40390616
>90% of us are the people these retards are trying to “own”. We’re the people that keep the lights on.
Funny how "90%" seem to have concentrated on one borderline anti-tier site while Youtube, Twitch, Reddit, Discord, Twitter, hell, literally every other even niche forum that talks about vtubers out there seem to be the exact opposite

>>40396205
If your logic only makes sense if nearly everyone involved was lying, it's not really logic.

>>40396651
>go to the place where everyone will lie to you about everything mikeneko says and does
Good idea.

>>40396530
Was Marine the one who talked about how they tried to help Rushia but there wasn't anything they can do? Or was that one of the other Sankisei girls. On 24th February.

>>40396651
Hiring multiple lawyers to get you out of a hole you dug yourself is exactly the kind of thing that insensible unstable retards do.

>>40383781
Coco wasn't fired, dumbass.

>Coco
I wouldn't have hired this bitch, sticking it to China was the only based thing she ever did, other than that she was shit
>Rushia
If I believe Rushia then no. If I believe Cover then I would make her sign up a very restrictive contract, if the "I deleted facebook because yagoo told me to" story is real then I would try to contain her menhera as she seems to be obedient at least.

>>40396749
I've been reading through the comments in this thread and there's a lot of outright lies here.
People claiming she's said things she never said, without any sources. People who obviously haven't listened to her streams where she's actually explained a lot of the lies being circled here.
But again, you are an anti, and in your eyes, if people aren't attacking Mikeneko, they are a liar.

>>40396651
>her anti suits
You mean her completely retarded lawsuits against cover and Delta that she will be completely destroyed in and have to pay a fortune for because she'll be punished for vexatious litigation

>>40396157
She isn't out of money, but has complained about legal fees being expensive in relation to suing her antis in Japan. People are still going schizo over her a year later, so shit gets played up here.

>>40396800
So are you now trying to defend the Japanese antis who dox elementary school girls and mutilate cats so that they can "own her fans". That's a nice image.

>>40396948
no

>>40396921
She's outright said that she isn't suing Cover. And I doubt she'll sue Delutaya considering she's had evidence for a long time that she could have brought to court against her, but refused to.
You are an actual manchild though, so I doubt you're even thinking besides trying to say the most outrageous things you can about her.

>>40383781
yagoo didn't want them to go
>>40395955
the problem of japanese company could have been solved by now but the chink spy is still there and helped to fire lucia

>>40383781
I'd completely dissolve the EN branch but keep any members who speak or were willing to learn Japanese and put them in JP.

>>40397010
>She's outright said
and you're retarded enough to believe her, you get what you deserve

>>40384118
Same thing happened to Gura

>>40396871
She told korekore to forward what she had said if she kills herself after complaining about her work. Please explain to me how she never said that.

>>40396856
Coco was on top of the world. She could have built her own talent agency and became a god. Instead she just fucked around accomplishing basically nothing and eventually joined the vsluts. Now Kson is irrelevant. I don't think anyone's fall has been quite as bad as hers.
Mikeneko is just a typical insane female, but Coco actually had talent and skill. what annoys me is Coco's failure to create something truly great.

>>40397220
Mikeneko has never told a single lie to her fans.

>>40396701
I think the numbers speak for themselves.
This is an anti-tier site? And Twitter and Reddit are the pinnacle of moderate discourse? lol. lmao.

Far left, woke, transsexual, Geshin-tier retards in a circle jerk of loud teenagers is not an accurate depiction of the hollow s community as a whole.
Sorry.
Tempus members can barely hit 1,000 ccv. Gura could hit 10k afk taking a shit.

>>40397220
At this point, the choice is between her antis or her.
And do you know what I find funny? Her antis are more mentally ill and deranged than her. The very idea of a dedicated anti is insanity, the very idea or prospect of spending hours, hundreds of hours of your time seething over another person is a pit of despair that only the most vile of humanity dwell in. So yes, between her and you, she's far more trustworthy. I know you'll be having a schizo sperg about another vtuber in another thread for equally retarded reasons.

>>40396701
I think the numbers speak for themselves.
This is an anti-tier site? And Twitter and Reddit are the pinnacle of moderate discourse? lol. lmao.

Far left, woke, transexual, Geshin-tier retards in a circle jerk of loud teenagers is not an accurate depiction of the Hololive community as a whole.
Sorry.
Tempus members can barely hit 1,000 ccv. Gura could hit 10k being afk taking a shit on the toilet.

>>40397532
>I think the numbers speak for themselves.
"Numbers" in this context meaning whatever made up retard shit you post in the catalog to push a narrative. Tempus is the most successful Holostars group yet and no amount of seething is going to change that. Half of their members are averaging more than some Myth members.

>>40397532
>Gura could hit 10k being afk taking a shit on the toilet.

That's the problem with vtuber fans as a whole, isn't it? People are conditioned to accept mediocrity and the whores still profit. Inshallah these slothful harlots are not the only ones who need correction, the misguided men who subsidize this also need to be called to account.

>>40397647
No the numbers mean the fucking numbers.

If Gura could take a dump and get 10k people to watch her, and donate $20,000 in the stream.
And Magni, trying his hardest, can only get 1k viewers and couple of green superchats.
Who is more liked?
Who is it that the fans want to watch?
Who is it that fans will spend money on?
Not the Homos.
Only twitards believe their own bullshit about “incels” being a minority.

>>40397785
>gura, the most popular EN streamer, gets more views than magni
>therefore people don't want stars
Absolute midwit logic, please apply yourself

>>40397732
>conditioned
Anon, people just want to watch cute girls playing video games. It’s not hard.
Nobody asked for top-tier pro gamers.
They just want cute anime girls.

Which is why nobody wants the homos popping up in their streams.

>>40397785
>If Gura could take a dump and get 10k people to watch her, and donate $20,000 in the stream.
sure, but that's not even happening. What was Gura's CCV this week? How many supas did she get?

>>40397464
Not even trolling but you need help

>>40397835
lmao
Even fucking Kronii can get more viewers cleaning her room than Magni could hope for.
A full Tempus collab is lucky to hit 5,000 ccv.
They’re just not popular bro.
And certainly shouldn’t be the reason why EN can’t get any new fucking talent.

>>40397887
people are acting like magni isn't beating gura for CCV right now, wonder why that is

>>40397887
Gura's views for last 7 days: 532,758
Magni's views for last 7 days: 151,155
still multiple times higher even without streaming

>>40383781
Neither of them. Rushia broke NDA to prove she wasn't dicking over her fans. Coco did literally nothing and it made bug people seethe.

>>40398005
anon... your whole argument is that IF she streamed her CCV would be higher.. Guess which word is the most important word in that strategy

>>40397983
Because the only way Magni could beat anyone’s ccv is if that person is on break.
Roru
Rumao

>>40397855
You're misinterpreting me, fag. I don't give a fuck if Gura wants to make her stream a poop waiting room, that's on her. What's annoying and enables HoloEN as a whole to not put in effort is that, as was said, 10k people will still watch instead of drifting off to other girls who are actually doing things, EN or JP. And that builds up both a sense of entitlement in the streamer (whether they know it or not).

Look at the flipside. If Gura or the other heavy hitters of the EN girls can hit 10k ccv WITHOUT putting in effort, why actually put in effort? Just make cute noises on stream every other week and keep absorbing passive income.

>>40397464
According to you if someone ever answers any question about Mikeneko negatively they're a "dedicated anti" because the only way anyone can ever talk about her is positively.

>>40398037
yes I know you're desperate to cry but even without streaming she's better than your worthless twitch faggots

>>40398051
Exactly, that's the joke thanks for explaining it. Cover can't build a winning strategy against a bitch that don't stream. Nobody's saying more males fixes the problem, just that "IF GURA STREAMED SHE'D BLOW THEM OUT OF THE WATER" is literally irrelevant because she's not streaming and won't stream

>>40397920
Why? What he's saying is pretty much spot on. The antis Rushia has left at this point are way worse than she is.

>>40398025
>Rushia broke NDA to prove she wasn't dicking over her fans.
False.

>>40396786
Yes. Marine even offered to graduate in her place but then they both would have been gone.

>>40398077
>even without streaming she's the best streamer
>even without streaming
horrible cope, you deserve better cope than that

>>40398069
You’re right.
But that’s what people want. They just want cute girls playing video games and being nice to them.

And in terms of quality, that’s part of why new gens are so important.
First, they bring in new people and allow the old gens to have a looser schedule.
And second, it usually drives some jealousy at the new girls, causing them to work harder.

Remember when HoloX came out? How many JP girls cried on stream about how they felt jealous or felt inadequate? It caused a lot of them to stop taking the job for granted and gave them a boost.

It’s been 17 months now for EN
In large part thanks to the homos.

>>40397968
Getting a thousand cvc every stream is good though

>>40383781
Only Rushia since she actually broke NDA, can't trust a person like that.

>>40383781
I would cleanse their fanbases instead

>>40398172
I mean he's kinda right. Who could be a better streamer than one who doesn't even need to stream?

>>40398111
her fans are the worst pieces of shit on the internet, you cunts constantly justify her causing trouble and act like she's the victim

>>40383781
Rushia, yes. I would have no choice.
Coco? Fuck no. Remember, they fired her to appease the Zhangs who they ended up abandoning in the end. If they just waited four more months to do anything about it, it literally would have been a moot point. I don't even think bilibili is the preferred streaming site for vtubers anymore, and all of this started over that drama.

>>40398337
Based Omega. When are StarsEN3, next month?

>>40398277
Yeah, if you’re not in Hololive.
This is like the major league of vtubing.
Why would you neglect the EN girls for a whole year, who pull in tens of millions of dollars a year, so that you can invest in a group of men who can barely hit 1k viewers?

>>40398389
>they fired her to appease the Zhangs
In what retarded parallel universe did they do that

>>40398380
They're unironically brainwashed. I'm sure Cover terminated Rushia just to cover some shit up, but to think Rushia is also 100% innocent and even a victim is insane.

>>40398353
from cover's perspective? literally strangers off the street generating 1 cent is better than a bitch costing them money earning them no cents

>>40398072
Nice strawman. Just the proof I needed, really

>>40398449
The one we're in where they threw her in the closet because they got some brief animosity from bugmen and this started the spiral of blacklisting her from wherever they could.

>>40398380
Her antis are worse

>>40398553
meds

I would fire Coco no matter the situation, hate that bitch so much.

>>40383781
I think Yagoo foresaw something we all didn't at the time >>40384705

>>40399346
Kanata did it first and she's still around

>>40398533
Ok fanchama, what kind of negative opinion is anyone allowed to have about Mikeneko? Am I seriously not allowed to dislike her for talking to korekore and doing the things she did?

It was sad to see coco not appearing in any hologra

coco didn't get fired, fucking RETARD

but rushia threatened my company and broke a NDA. she deserved what she got.

>>40383781
If I were in YAGOO's position, I never would have created HololiveCN in the first place, so the Taiwan backlash either wouldn't have happened at all or been a fraction of the scale

>>40383781
I wouldn't fire either of them. Asacoco was great when Coco was still allowed to do it and Rushia was just consistently funny in her regular streams. Coco did nothing wrong and Rushia's NDA breach has had no actual consequences for the company as of yet. Things were better with them around.

>>40400226
You will never be a Cover employee

>>40383781
Coco went full retard, could have just quiet down but needed to blurt out and double down, getting the chinks more excited.
but nothing of value was lost, turns out she's a faggot.
>>40401172
if you don't respect the rules expect more rules to be broken.
it's like when ppl rob shit and get a slap in the wrist, do the daily robbery continue or dies down? if u know any better the experiment is out in parts of USA right now.

>>40399792
I think you have something wrong with you considering how obsessed you are with hating her
It's completely out of proportion

>>40383781
No. I would fire the homos.

>>40401819
So no negative opinions allowed then. That's what I thought.

>>40383807
She was fired Japanese-style

>>40401736
Nah, I literally don't care about the rules if it means driving off two of my companies best talents and making it worse when there's nothing at stake. I don't care when people jaywalk across empty streets either.

>>40383781
If Rushia didn't get fired for giving info to a dramatuber then half of holoJP would quit over fear of their own safety. I wouldn't enjoy it, but it absolutely had to be done.
Coco is definitely much more nuanced, and I'd probably need to know more than the public knows to make the decision.

>>40383837
SPBP

>>40383857
>suffer
quit china and fire your chinese branch for one talent
>that talent ends up backstabbing you

>>40383857
the other way around:
she made cover suffer and then backstabbed them like an ungrateful hoe after they chose her over china

>>40383952
>What is NDA breach? Im a retarded underage faggot with penis in my ass and dont know basic shit
Ok anon we hear you but calm down...

>>40403440
The information never even leaked so there was no NDA breach.

>>40398707
We know, chang

>>40402973
Lol
She clarified it wasn't dox info about any of the talents. Reps

>>40402245
Strawmanning again
On your deathbed, are you going to regret that you didn't spend enough time anti-ing her? Also you always tell a few lies about her. You can't pretend a lie is just your opinion, and as such, it's legitimate to hold. Deliberately spreading lies is scumbag behaviour

>>40404908
Why can't you say what negative opinions are allowed? When you refuse to answer, it's not "strawmanning" any longer.

>>40383781
Will definitely fire these two whores