/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>393020
I only member one chuuba on this planet.

>>393047
I watch Papa he very funny

Males.....

I don't speak Japanese and not enough people make translated clips. But I did enjoy their cover of Blessings.

>>393181
The sad part is that most chuubas get popular because of clips, though noone wants to clip a guy because CUTE ANIMA GIRL SAYS N WORD is for some reason more endearing than ANIME BOY SAYS N WORD.

Sex with males...

>>393020
they would actually be more relevant, especially Roberu, if they were in niji

>>393274
Them collabing must mean they're fucking!!!

>>393282
I really hate it when people say demeaning stuff to them like, they're only not popular because they're not entertaining when they don't even watch them. I thought we all understood that even if you're the funniest most entertaining person in the world, noone will watch you if you don't have any exposure.

>male idols in an environment where the fanbse mainly wants cute girls doing cute things
It's a miracle the branch is still alive.

>>393390
I don't really like where the main branch is going. GFE doesn't appeal anywhere outside of the loser den that is Anime. Maybe in the grand scheme of things, the guys, would have a more broad appeal if they started inclining.

>>393390
If they still keep getting the Voldemort treatment for the rest of their careers, whenever they do get more popular (if they do or they don't) there's gonna be a big divide between the fanbases.

>>393020
Roberu is based. Love his streams. Even Yuuki Ono watches him.

I guess if they allowed to collab with the girls it would help. The fuckers just dont want to annoy autismos but they could establish they are just friends the proper way and keep everyone happy. That is one of the things Niji has done much better.

>>393634
They do allow the girls to collab, the girls don't want to because they'd rather appeal to simps. If I was in their position I would probably feel pretty degraded because why would I want to be treated as a fake Girlfriend instead of an actual entertainer?

If they appealed to fujos holostars would be at 200k
I personally wouldnt know how to do it but there's an untapped market of emaciated korean otaku girls, unwashed japanese masturbates-in-net-cafes actual fujos and barely-ironic wattpad shipfic writers.
The first person to correctly translate whatever makes these tick into a vtuber will have gura growth for a year.

>>393773
But who would want to be like that? I mean the girls don't find it demeaning but being treated as a girlfriend or faking a relationship sounds pretty fucking weird when you actually think about it. Also, I don't think they'd be able to do that because fujos like the clean exterior that real idols can give them because they aren't live for four hour straight.

>>393634
Like the other anon said, the collab ban was lifted, but the girls don't want to jeopardize their fanbases. One drawing involving watame, coco and the former kaoru was enough to rile up a part of them. Watame got spooked and never interacted with a star again.

>>393047
>>393065
Same.
His 'show me' streams are so damn comfy.

>>393765
>why would I want to be treated as a fake girlfriend instead of an actual entertainer?
Because you make double the money, if not more, by being the fake girlfriend.

>>393858
Fujos like gay men, not idols. They dont need to be gay, or gay with eachother, or act gay or anything. They just need the tiny thread of "what if" to start spinning narratives and writing (actual) fanfiction.
Like gurame posters compiling 70 links but with men.

Its a completely untapped market, and the first gay or bi vtuber is going to have a 70% female viewerbase.

>>393222
Girls get away with more, that's just reality. Pikamee is a pedo but she's a girl and she's "japanese".

>>393293
I wish.

>>393588
I wonder how she's doing since John died.

>>394311
>Its a completely untapped market, and the first gay or bi vtuber is going to have a 70% female viewerbase.
There are already dozens of us. Fujos are poor and other M.L.M. are too busy having real world sex.

the second a male tuber gets "Stans" like youtubers like dream and corpse husband is the second is the very moment they become as popular if not more than female youtubers, have you seen the fucking "Stan" army these guys have, sure the fanbase would be a living hell scape but they amount of money they could rake in would be un unparalleled to any holostars mark my fucking words new gen holostars just need to advertise them selfs to fojos and degenerates

>>395211
xKittyMcPancakes proves that this is true. But that being said, he streams for ridiculous amounts of hours daily.

I don't watch Roberu much but all of his stuff with friend is great and I wish he could interact with more holos

>>395367
True, I don't watch them but they would certainly be more popular if they had collabs with the girls. Unfortunately, crazy otakus would send death threats and bombs if they see their waifus interacting with someone from the opposite sex.

>>393020
Anon we all know the hero japan needs is a male chubba and his name is TENMA

People say male idols aren't popular, but what about how big groups like SMAP, Arashi, or KAT-TUN got? And then there are the big k-pop male idols as well.

>>395933
They're not popular with the traditional idol audience, which is otaku guys.

>>396210
yeah too bad fujos haven't adapted to the virtual idol format yet

>>395211
Yes, but you only get Stans when you're popular, all those people you linked got popular through something else.

>>396253
women don't know how to use the internet, all they know is twitter, order food, lie, manipulate men for money, and they barely know how to search anything on YouTube without using the trending tab.

based Papa cooking pizza in english right now

>>393020
Holostars are fine, some of them have funny streams.

>>393634
They are collabing with HoloID this week according to Anya's schedule

>>393634
They are collabing with HoloID this week according to Anya's schedule.

>>396253
they're stuck on minecraft frauds

>>393020
Roberu and Papa are based, I wish they got more success

I used to follow Kira from Holostars before he graduated. Endearingly, he tried so hard in his first Ring Fit Adventure stream that he had exercise induced nausea and had to run off and vomit when he was fighting the dragon boss.

Matsuri's bro said that he was thinking of vtubing, and she mentioned that she might hook him up to Holostars, so that could be neat. Since he's Matsuri's brother, he might get a big advantage in terms of subs.

>>399466
Do you think they'd actually let him debut as Matsuri's character's brother, though? How do the Japs view nepotism/favoritism?

>>396826
You forgot "eat hot chip"

>>399506
Well, people know his voice from her streams, so it'd be obvious enough that giving him a different identity would make it look more nefarious to anyone who'd be bothered.

I wouldn't say I really hate the Stars. When I first got into Hololive last March, I pretty much gave all of HoloPro a chance. It's just their designs are not appealing at all to the average male and they play games I really don't care about.
Before Hololive I hardly watched any female streamers and now it's the opposite. But I would rather watch a normal male streamer that I actually found interesting than the stars.
I mostly just hate the shilling and the collab begging. After the embarrassment of the western fanbase in regards to Aloe, I hate people who want to become a vtuber's "savior". It's also overrated how much collabs help a channel grow. Even a girl like Mel didn't have that much growth from her collab with Ame.

>>393390
begs the question why there isn't a viable market of thirsty women who simp after attractive anime males

>>395367
Roberu seems like the most talented straight man in the whole company. A shame we don't get to see him show it off more often; his bit with Matsuri was really funny.

>>400167
Women expect to be the ones getting paid money/paid attention to, not the other way around.

>>400235
obviously they aren't your target audience as a fujovtuber then

>>400167
That market seems to just go for the idol groups. Both K-pop and J-pop alike have enormous female fanbases. This is about to get kinda evopsych bullshit but I can only assume it's due to a large part of the appeal being status and fake anime boys can't compare to real anime boys in that regard.
By contrast, the guys who follow chuubas out of loneliness don't care that it's an illusion and in fact, prefer to keep it that way.

>>400167
>thirsty women
Women just have sex in real life if they're lonely. The only time they can't fulfill their thirst is if they want to see gay shit.

>>400306
>westerners literally cannot compete with the industrialized and overproduced kpop bands
why bother living

>>400387
Just move to Korea and pursue your Kpop dream. What's the worst thing that could happen?

>>400357
it's not just about sex you fucking nob

>>400357
There are plenty of dying alone women getting their kicks vicariously through celebrity culture, fanfiction, romcoms, all those distinctly feminine parts of culture. I suppose it's an option, in the same way that prostituting yourself is an option if you need money, to just throw yourself to random dudes at a bar until one of them fucks you. But it's not actually something 95% of women are going to do. Also, it does not address feelings of romantic frustration in the same way that you fucking a prostitute won't either.

>>393020
Anyone who hates Stars are mentally ill

I don't hate the idea of Male VTubers, but male internet personalities are all trash and unlikable.

I would love an actual Husbando anime guy as a VTuber to have wholesome moments, banter with the boys, have man talks of work and manly qualities with the chat.

My ideal VTuber has to be an idol. They have to be a hard-working, positive and extroverted role model for young males.

We can have quiet guys, chad guys, super-intelligent guys, excitable guys, but they all have to be likable like the girls are.

There are so many anime characters who are guys that I like. I think its totally possible to simulate that, as long as they have a talent as well and are extroverted.

>>400792
I don't watch as much of the Stars as I'd like but this sounds like them from what I've seen

>>400838
havent watched the stars, but might do now if thats true.


People like good men, but theres never been a place on the internet for worship of them, besides the fictional. The real-life good men are out living their lives.

HoloStars En could be a smash hit, but men into anime are fuckin losers most of the time.

>>400792
>banter with the boys, have man talks of work and manly qualities with the chat.
anon, this is /vt/ the fuck are you expecting? if you want shit like that go watch the Red Green Show

>>393020
I'm not homosexual.

I dont hate the Holostars at all, Aruran seems like a cool dude with a good taste in vidya and with a ton of life stories to tell, Roberu has a good amount of charisma and is always entertaining even when it sounded like he was fighting to put together his computer chair one stream, and it's hard not to root for Astel with his long streams. I thought he'd be fujobait judging by his design but he seems like another fine lad that unfortunately spills too much spaghetti. Beyond those 3 though and what I've heard about Shien, I just don't know much about the Stars in general.

>>393020
Used to like watching some of the girls but it started getting more GFE and spergs and reddits spewing all the shit about "CUTE GIRLS DOING CUTE THINGS" when I was just looking for autists playing games. Homos on the other hand was more of what I was looking for, not big on the idol shit and the American inside of me loves a good underdog story. Seeing the homos build an audience in spite of their coworkers outside a few exceptions doing their damned best to completely ignore their existence and faggot frothing at the mouth japs looking for any excuse to start flinging shit at them for daring to exist in the same company as their oshi has me rooting hard for them to gain a bigger foothold and build their own audience big enough to get them brand deals and have their own autistic jap army to fight off the idol fags when they get uppity.

>>401423
Inspiring. I'm a clip watching peasant though and unfortunately none of the boys seem to get a lot of attention besides Roberu, who still doesn't get nearly as many as any given holo girl. Well maybe besides Robo.

>>393544
It's a ticking time bomb at this point I think.
JP branch - It's pretty much too late at this point I think.
ID branch - They collab with the guys so much it's seen as the norm.
EN branch - Might end up like the JP branch if they keep treating them like untouchables.

>>393020
I'd care more if I could fucking understand them in the first place. I do like Aruran though

>>393020
I actually like Roberu and a few of the others, but as someone who doesn't speak Japanese it can be hard to find stuff for them.

>>396210
Yeah, but they're popular with their own large fanbase, which begs the question on why there hasn't been a transference of the 3D male idol fanbase to the 2D one like there has been for the 3D female idol fanbase to the 2D one.

>>399236
Yea ID, because idol culture isn't a thing in Indonesia and they dont a give fuck.

Only Fubuki and Matsuri have collabed with the stars, the rest either don't want to or management forbids it cause of idol culture shit. Hell I can't even imagine how much shit Roberu got for Sora randomly calling him for his 100k celebration.

>>402133
Because when women imagine being with idols, they fantasize about actually being married to them and raising a family with good looking kids and all that. The fantasy doesn't work so well with anime boys.

>>402133
My guess is it comes down to how young this industry is. Women that follow kpop groups follow them for more traditional media (music, soap operas, movies, etc). While holos have been dabbling in that area with live shows and original songs a vast majority of the content is gaming, which primarily appeals to men. When the capture technology improves enough that you can easily and cheaply produce live performances we will see a lot more male vtubers that start drawing irl male idol group viewership.

>>402712
Yeah but plenty of otaku girls cream themselves over anime boys in fiction. Something about the streaming persona/anime character shtick which works so well on men doesn't have the same effect with women. It must be because chuubas have one foot out the door. It's not purely fantasy and it's not being purely starstruck like with the pop idols, this just doesn't appeal to straight girls.

>>393998
There still are restrictions, it's just not a general restriction on every member, so the girls have to ask for permission individually. Even your Watame example was a case of where Watame had to ask for permission to even talk to Kaoru, which shows how much of a pain it must be to set things up
>>402637
>Only Fubuki and Matsuri have collabed with the stars
Roboco...

>>403034
Watame had to jump through a lot of hoops to work with Calli for her song.
Probably just her manager in particular being a hardass.
There's been quite a difference in how lenient or strict some managers are.

I don't hate them but I don't want them communicating with my female chuubas

>>403436
Please explain why

>>403483
They're a gosling.

>>402637
>Yea ID, because idol culture isn't a thing in Indonesia and they dont a give fuck.
It isn't in the west either, but I'm skeptical if HoloEN will ever collab with them. I feel its more of a 'ID is less successful so let them do whatever the fuck they want, it can only help' kind of deal. Whereas the potential to piss off Mori's paypigs and Takamori shippers (as an example) is just not worth the risk.

>>403992
I've heard people say that Mori wanted to collab with Charlie though? I'm not sure how that'd go down with her JP viewers but I think the majority of her fanbase wouldn't care if she collabs with a dude. Same for Ame, she seems practically FBK-tier with how she supports some of them. Dunno about the rest though.

>>401919
wait there's an ID and EN branch?

>>393020
They're actually pretty cool dudes, and they seem to work hard too. The main reason they're not more popular is that most of the Holo audience won't watch men regardless of whether the content they produce is good or not. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, but it's how things are. On that note, here's one of their legendary moments: https://files.catbox.moe/n207pv.mp4

>>401919
it can be done. Oga and Fubuki are great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFcw6MaeUy8

>>404609
Kurokami with a deep voice and Shiroga with a high voice when

>>404295
>most of the Holo audience won't watch men regardless of whether the content they produce is good or not.
Ridiculous fucking reason. Fucking coomers. I say this AS a coomer but I'm not affected with brain rot that badly.

>>404656
too little kurokami as it is. so, gonna say not soon

>>404295
>won't watch men
I think that's more out of habit though more than anything, rather than something like a discrimination.
Amelia's chat was pretty hype Astel showed up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46b9a--5D4

>>393020
Yes, I hate them, I don't want them together with the girls and I want them to always stay small. Go to nijisanji if they want to be male vtubers.

>Had an entire company wide event
>Stars didn't even get a blip in it

Christ put it at the end of Holo Fes or some shit, even the EN girls got a small moment to show themselves, its like they wanna pretend they don't exist.

>>405304
I like the rrat that Holostars is Yagoo's pet project. It sort of explains why it isn't mentioned as much by Cover.

>>403992
Amelia: Already shot it down once rumors of a possible astel collab popped up, says people wouldn't like it, I think shes more shes to autistic to set it up.

Gura: No Holostar is coming within miles of their golden goose.

Kiara: Danced around the question of inviting any of the stars to her talk show and just avoids it now.

Ina: Probably the only one I can see collabing with them but the manager will keep them away I imagine.

Mori: Might want to, but apparently all of her collab ideas got shot down so she stopped making suggestions about them.

>>404072
>I've heard people say that Mori wanted to collab with Charlie though?
She wanted to and Cover shot it down. The only reason she got on Trash Taste was that they are affiliated with KADOKAWA, which have ties to Hololive.

>>405439
what are the ties between kadokawa and cover?

>>405439
I don't think they had ties to them before.
Trash Taste was created by Bookwalker who is owned by Kadokawa.
It was in Cover's best interest to start a business relationship with them.

Roberu could achieve so much more by jumping to Nijisanji, but he chose this instead.

Maybe if Kaoru didn’t ruin it for everyone by fucking Miko, the Holostars could’ve collabed more with the girls

>>400167
Kagami Hayato are basically that, His superchat stream often ended him begged people to stop sending red superchat.

>>405632
Now this is a rrat I can get into

>>400357
If that was true host clubs wouldn't exist at all

>>393020
i love pizza dad. his english streams put me in stitches. Never watched any of the others.

>>405631
Idolfag gonna idolfag I guess

>>405631
I think he's fine being the big fish in the small pond though. It's not like he's not growing any less, and its not every day you get called up by Soda-chan.

>There's no 2D market for male idols
Uta no Prince-sama and Idolish7 beg to differ.

>>393020
I don’t hate them but I have no interest in them because there’s funnier male streamers

>>400792
There are lots of cool and relatable guys making good content on the intertubes but just about none of them do videogame shit. They're all doing stuff like that fits more in the /out/, /sci/, and /diy/ categories. Unfortunately, none of that can be done by vtubers, so they're left with nerd shit, and guys whose primary interest is nerd shit tend to be interoverted and poor entertainers.

That said, the Stars are good guys but they really shine when they're together. They did a drunken karaoke stream together and it was great, and the recent Apex tournament was pretty good.

>>402637
General Indonesian are pretty conservative about gender relationship.
Some of idol there usually go into relationship after graduate, people who went "muh pure idol" are usually getting shitted on.

>>406220
>people who went "muh pure idol" are usually getting shitted on.
Good. Legitimate psychopaths.

>>406241
This is hololive we're talking about man, the psycho train left the station ages ago with how retarded and obsessive some fans are.

Honestly Stars need more outside collab.
Right now only Roberu has came out of holostars circle.

>>399466
>Matsuri's bro said that he was thinking of vtubing, and she mentioned that she might hook him up to Holostars, so that could be neat
Daily reminder this means they're having sex.

This thread is my daily reminder that some people just don't look around enough.

>>405806
Links, please.

>>406420
Rikka...

>>406566
This is true. I've literally posted a list with several HUNDRED males, but nobody wants to LOOK.

>>406420
Aruran has been hanging out with Monoe's circle of friends lately. Meanwhile, Astel reached out the last 2 weeks to Gori-san and Odanobu to play apex.

>>406643
I was referring more to my personal frustration over how most people view the female audience as something almost non-existent that won't create or consume (male) Vtuber content. It is out there and a viable market exists, but you have to dig due to how the etiquette is ("there is a real person behind the Vtuber and certain things can make them uncomfortable, do not use official/main tags, etc"). The dedication some fans have is insane.
But that is also true, anon. I'm sure every person here could find a male chuuba they would love but unfortunately language barrier is a thing in the majority of those cases.

>>406908
>Astel reached out the last 2 weeks to Gori-san and Odanobu to play apex
Apex collabs don't count when we're talking about inclining and leeching

>>406908
>Monoe has introduced Papa into her circle of husbands
someone stop the magnet

>>405632
I miss our beyblade bro

>>405304
I wonder if a big HoloPro event is possible in the future.

>>406981
The most powerful race produces the most powerful male streamers. Kongou, Kadu, Frank, and Valefor are all Filipino.

>>407116

>>403034
Watame's manager is super strict, they didn't let her sell a booby mousepad because it doesn't fit her image.

>>403992
The ID managers let their talents do whatever the fuck they want but that also means no ones pushing Risu to actually sing or giving Iofi interesting stream ideas so they're falling behind the other ID's.

>>404295
I watch the homos in dead hours but if there's a Holo streaming I'm not going to stick around.
The homos need to grow their own audience because the overlap between the Hololive and Holostar audience is almost non existent. Most of the reddit eops dropped the homos but still pretend to care about them lol.
Who is the Holostars intended audience?

>>408288
apparently the intended audience is supposed to be women but something like 80% of their actual audience is dudes
From what I've seen of them, they've realized who their actual audience is and so most of the content is more like "bros being bros" rather than what you'd expect from fujobait idols

>>408452
>bros being bros
Any drunk streams?

No, I don't want them around my waifus

>>408565
But they are the waifus...

>>408288
>no ones pushing Risu to actually sing
Risu, I know you're lurking and/or searching for any mention of your name here, you know you can sing, we know you can sing, put two and two together for fuck's sake. Easiest stream you can do. Sing some Indonesian pop or some shit if you need to, I don't care, we just wanna hear them pipes

>>408565
First of all, I have to call you out for saying "waifus" when everyone knows it's only acceptable to have one singular waifu.
Second of all, it's a load of bullshit that my bros have to be kept separate from the girls, and I'm glad that there are some people like Fubuki who feel the same way. I appreciate a lot of things about Japanese pop culture but this is something that really needs to be left in the past.

>>408608
That or drop her treerrat voice from time to time.

>>409057
Did she stop using her Ayunda voice?

>>393020
Have nothing against them. They're the same as the female vtubers except designed to appeal to women instead.

>>408852
>First of all, I have to call you out for saying "waifus" when everyone knows it's only acceptable to have one singular waifu.

BASED

>>407623
I think it was Roberu who said something along the lines of wanting holostars to work for their own concert on their own merit before any kind of big holopro event. They don't want to feel like they're leeching off hololive's popularity.

Probably the closest analogue would be the Idolmaster franchise with four female branches and one male branch. There wasn't any real big cross collab until the franchise's 15th anniversary last year.

>>394311
Astel literally said on stream he's bisexual.

>>408565
Faggot you can only have one wife. If you claim to have more you're just a cheating cunt.

>>405806
This. It's just that the 2D market and the 3D market are two completely different beasts, and assuming they're the same or that all women belong to one or the other is stupid.
Most VTubers just end up too 3D for those who want 2D and vice versa. Why would a girl who wants to fantasize about being with a real boy not just fixate on a real boy? Why would a girl who wants to ship and drool over 100% fictional characters want to be tied down by how thin the line between character and actor can feel in a format like streaming when they can get all that AND dramatic plotlines from a game or anime, especially if they're yumejos (who would rather outright romance their husbandos in otome than spend repeated money on superchat to be barely noticed)?

>>393020
Wrong board homoshart

>>411743
I feel like most people this board didn't even know the difference between Fujo and Yumejo.
Every time i went to male Vtuber thread, people always refer female viewer as fujo.

>>393020
They're a resource drain that gets more attention despite failing and continue to fail. I don't personally dislike any, but it's dumb that they keep pouring resources into costumes and such for them instead of 4th gen, 5th gen, and EN.

>>414581
All of the homos carry their weight. Any other company would gladly take these guys and their audience size on. It's just compared to the enormous success of the girls they don't quite measure up. But there's literally no reason to cut them. Besides maybe Cover wanting to consolidate to avoid bloat but they're not in danger of that at the moment and won't be for some time.

>>414581
What resources are you even talking about? The closest thing they got to a bone thrown at them was the New Year's outfits (which didn't get in the way of Gen 4/5 getting the same), and that's after they missed out on stuff like 3Ds.
They failed precisely because of a lack of attention. People straight up used to think they weren't tied to Hololive at all, to the point that Reddit thought that Holostars were unrelated to the company entirely.

>>393020
I don't hate them, but I also don't get this weird obsession Holostars simps have with getting them to interact with the Holo girls.

Nobody wants shoujo shit in their shounen manga. Nobody wants compulsory Bejeweled minigames in Doom or Half-life. Why would anyone, either the girls or management, want to regularly collab with guys when idol culture and all its trappings are the thing that got them so big in the first place? There's really nothing particularly special or praiseworthy about Hololive BUT the idol thing.

Abandoning the idol elements would piss off a sizable chunk of their audience, and, more importantly, completely erase their main selling point as a group. Besides throwing them a bone here and there, they'd have to be idiots to do this.

Keep them separate. There's everything to lose and nothing to gain.

>>411382
You need to pander and get clipped, not just say it. If people dont know about it it might aswell not exist.
I know about some nijisanji girl being bi because she has a 10 minute clips talking about it.

>>414982
>idol culture and all its trappings are the thing that got them so big in the first place?
It was memes that got them where they are. Miko's FAQ, Matsuri's band-aids clip, Fubuki's scatman, Korone and Pekora's comedy, Gura's "a". Sora may be what they started with, but she's not what shot Hololive into explosive popularity. For the Western fanbase, Hololive succeeded in spite of the idol stuff, not because of it, and you can even see that earlier on when Nijisanji was ahead of Hololive (and again, it wasn't the idol gimmick that propelled Hololive ahead of Niji)

>>393020
They are fine.
I don't watch them too often, but the hate is totally not justified. Especially from the Japanese idol otaku brainlets. Holy fuck how much i would love to pay to get my hands on one of these fat, ugly, unloved bastards and beat the shit out of them. I have no sympathy for this kind of human.

>>415087
>It was memes that got them where they are. Miko's FAQ, Matsuri's band-aids clip, Fubuki's scatman, Korone and Pekora's comedy, Gura's "a"
Absolutely fucking not. All of those memes came about and succeeded BECAUSE of the juxtaposition of idols doing these things. None of those things are even slightly funny if some random japanese streamer does them, but it's because they were clearly NOT supposed to be doing such things that created the memability of those moments.

>Sora may be what they started with
Sora is an idol in the traditional sense sure, but I'm talking more about the general GFE, method of audience interaction, restrictions on topics broached etc that make up an idol, not surface level elements like what Sora has.

>For the Western fanbase, Hololive succeeded in spite of the idol stuff, not because of it
>you can even see that earlier on when Nijisanji was ahead of Hololive (and again, it wasn't the idol gimmick that propelled Hololive ahead of Niji)

Why even type that second part? Obviously it was.

Take a second to think about the circumstances that led to Gura's "a" meme: Tens of thousands of people waiting with bated breath to see a content creator that 95% of them know jackshit about. It's a complete anomaly in western celeb/eceleb culture.
Now take a second and think about the (western) audience demographics of that stream. Then think about the activities that said chuuba did on that and subsequent streams and what the most popular ones are.

It's never been able to invade the west due to the lack of phsyical and human resource infrastructure and negative connotations, but Vtubers, specifically Hololive got around that via streaming and avatars.

There's really no denying that, anon, this is idol culture, plain and simple.

I don't know how good the guys English is, but they honestly just need to make a Holostar EN so they can start bridging the Western audience gap to the Japanese ones, because they sure aren't getting crossovers with the girls and they aren't exactly getting the clips to showcase them either.

>>393020
How do they compare to female vtubers in earnings? Do female fans even drop as much coin as male fans do?

>>414982
>>415386
>Idols aren't supposed to act with guys
>They got popular by doing things idols aren't supposed to do
>Somehow continuing to do things idols aren't supposed to do will hurt them
Places outside of Japan don't have a stigma against cross-gender interaction, and if anything it's one of the few points of bad PR for Hololive outside of specific controversies. It's practically the only thing they ever get criticized for or get feedback about besides Coco's situation. As it stands, Holostars is basically the only operation that needs fixing, which is why people ask about it.

>>415719
>They got popular by doing things idols aren't supposed to do
Like what? Stop talking out of your ass.

>>415386
>Like what?
>All of those memes came about and succeeded BECAUSE of the juxtaposition of idols doing these things. None of those things are even slightly funny if some random japanese streamer does them, but it's because they were clearly NOT supposed to be doing such things that created the memability of those moments.
Read your own argument retard

People keep blaming "idol" stuff, but conveniently forget that, Sora, the idol of Hololive, does not have problem collabing with opposite gender.

>>415842
That's not me.
Have you ever seen a variety show with idol participation? Man, I sure love absolute buffoons who don't have the slightest idea of what IRL idols are like sharing their opinion on what they are supposed and aren't supposed to do in Hololive context. Go do some research before talking shit. Nobody wants to spoonfeed every god damn retard whose knowledge is limited to "unicorns bad" and "muh black companies".

>>415719
Calli did that podcast with TT, so maybe thats changing.

>>415658
Is there overlap? I mean like, when Amelia collabed with Roboco or Mel, did it lead to major inclines? Hololive EN just looks like it became a beast entirely separately from JP
>>415673
Looking at the past few months for superchats, they're comparable to some of the low tier Holos, some Nijisanji members, and other bigger name girls from smaller companies. But to answer your question about female fans, probably not, because Roberu seemed to be doing the best among Holostars, but Roberu said something along the lines that his viewership is 80% male.
I assume stuff like merch is primarily bought by women though.

>>415938
So why are you responding to that post instead of the essays saying that they're totally idols?

>>415719
>Places outside of Japan don't have a stigma against cross-gender interaction
Japan itself doesn't have a stigma against cross-gender interaction though? It's not about the country's culture, it's about the industry's, and it does for a reason.

>if anything it's one of the few points of bad PR for Hololive outside of specific controversies. It's practically the only thing they ever get criticized for or get feedback about
Most niche things get bad PR about the aspects that are vital or cherished by its consumers. Hell, look at anime in general.

>>415938
>Have you ever seen a variety show with idol participation? Man, I sure love absolute buffoons who don't have the slightest idea of what IRL idols
>Places outside of Japan don't have a stigma against cross-gender interaction

So which is it?

>>416803
>Japan itself doesn't have a stigma against cross-gender interaction though? It's not about the country's culture, it's about the industry's, and it does for a reason.
This is semantics. Just read it as Japan's [idol industry culture] vs places outside of Japan's (non-existent) [idol industry culture]

>>416374
Hint: there is absolutely nothing wrong with an idol saying nigga or making meme videos. Only an absolute retard would think that there is. Hell, eating bugs on camera is not that strange. Haachama has nothing on the idol industry when it comes to PR stunts. It's not the contrast between what they are supposed to do as idols and what they do that made Hololive popular. They have loyal audience because they are idols and it grows because of memes. There is no contradiction. If it was just memes, they would be about as popular in the West as Western indies. That is, not very.

>>416848
It has nothing to do with culture. Idols exploit things that are much deeper in your brain.

>>416975
Of course non-japanese idol culture doesn't have a stigma. It doesn't even exist yet, as you just said. If the idea is that it doesn't have to have one (when it is created), then I tend to of agree, but don't think it would be the same thing or have the same appeal.

In this case, it probably does and it probably is.

Izuru's my boi

>>417091
>Idols exploit things that are much deeper in your brain.
That's mainly what I mean. It's easier to just call it "the culture"

>>416975
>This is semantics. Just read it as Japan's [idol industry culture] vs places outside of Japan's (non-existent) [idol industry culture]
There's a simp culture in the west equivalent to idol culture in japanese, and surprise that audience is vtuber watcher in the west

>>415974
To be fair that was a business deal with Kadokawa

>>417489
Deal for what?

>>417599
Bookwalker I guess, all I know is that Trash Taste is affiliated with Kadokawa and there's a rrat that says Kadokawa is a few degrees away from Namco Bandai (and thus Dark Souls). Of course, >>417599
hololive has perms for DS2 and DS3 now.

>>393020
Roberu is hilarious, I would watch homostars if I understood any japanese

>>394889
shouldn't have said that anon...
https://files.catbox.moe/6bu8fb.mp4

>>403436
faggot spotted

>>401919
Why is the EN branch like this when Mori went on a fucking podcast? Who actually gives a shit?

>>417793
Ame read a chapter of a light novel live on stream as a bookwalker job too.

>>417218
based izuru enjoyer

>>422963
what the fuck LMAO

>>422963
https://streamable.com/xs8bzc

>>394311
The "problem" is the overlap between dudes who would stream vtuber content and dudes who would also willingly act as fujobait for hours at a time is extremely low

>>423939
The interview was a one off business arrangement. A bishi boy playing video games with your oshi and in her discord? Something you dreamed about? Basically getting cucked in real time.

>>417091
>Hint: there is absolutely nothing wrong with an idol saying nigga or making meme videos. Only an absolute retard would think that there is. Hell, eating bugs on camera is not that strange. Haachama has nothing on the idol industry when it comes to PR stunts. It's not the contrast between what they are supposed to do as idols and what they do that made Hololive popular. They have loyal audience because they are idols and it grows because of memes. There is no contradiction. If it was just memes, they would be about as popular in the West as Western indies. That is, not very.
Pretty much this. You can really tell who in this thread actually know idols and who in this thread only have a surface meme understanding of idols.

>>424488
This is true and also why female vtubers are more succesful than males. Okakoro is a x100 viewsbuff and they do nothing to pretend its not real. Compare with Gurame.

>>417091
>>427158
>Pretty much this. You can really tell who in this thread actually know idols and who in this thread only have a surface meme understanding of idols.
But what does that matter? The majority of the Hololive fanbase is also part of that group who has no understanding of idols. All you're saying reinforces the point that Hololive's success didn't depend on the idol portion

>>427597
I have doubts it'd work for Holostars though. Right now the majority of their viewer base is male, and one of the biggest reasons they didn't get attention early on was because their designs looked "gay" and drove away most guys.

>>396253
There's some fujos into holostars you can see them on twitter spamming they're shitty OgaShien fanart.

>>424488
the girls already do yuribait
what's stopping the homos?

>>429054
straight dudes hating shameless fujoshit is known and instinctually engraved into their gene, and gay dudes don't even really like yaoibait either, much less gay japanese men who tend to like bara shit

>>429145
handicapping themselves then?
the fujo bucks aint easy

>>429247
If you want my take, it just means none of them care enough about numbers to sell out their soul completely and just do what they want. I'd rather everyone just has a good time with the boys that actually wants to than forcing them to bother with soulless pandering bullshit like that to attract an audience that doesn't really care

>>394340
>Pikamee is a pedo
Post proof besides random twitter bantz, faggot.

>>430494
>basically confessing that she watches kids on a playground
>random twitter bantz

>>393020
>>415673
The homos, especially Roberu, Aruran, and Astel, are doing better than the bottom Hololive girls. Holostars are performing better than 99% of the vtubers out there, Nijisanji is the exception not the rule.

>>430876
Choco...

>>430876
Fucking hell.
Choco is second-gen, but the weakest, newest indog beat her? Fuck me.

>>427604
It reinforces the opposite though. hololive is structured and sold as an idol group. The fanbase more or less act no different than the typical idol fanbase. Just because a lot of them are new to / ignorant of what constitutes idols / idol culture doesn't mean that the idol portion didn't play a major role.

It's like someone new to anime who gravitate towards moe-type shows without sufficient knowledge of what moe is. Learning of and understanding of that gives them explanatory power for why they like those shows, but the phenomenon exists independent of the viewer's knowledge/understanding of it.

>>430876
At least Aruran is getting some financial support now from his growing fan base.

>>429054
Don't understand this thread's impression that the stars don't homobait. Miyabi and Temma do it all the time and they're the lowest subbed.

>>427604
You don't need to understand idols in order to fall for their tricks. How do you think it goes? "Today I will have a parasocial interaction with a girl who sings upbeat J-pop in a frilly dress and also doesn't interact with males, let's fucking go!" Is that what you think the average idolfag thinks like?

Established aesthetics aside, idolfaggotry is industrialized exploitation of parasocial interaction. A combination of hero worship and what you would call simp herding but done professionally with the use of know-how of an industry that did nothing but that for decades, packaged into accessible to normalfags and easy to swallow capsule of music and in case of vtubers gameplay streaming. Everything to maximize the number of people who feel like an idol is an important existence in their lives while the idol doesn't even know they exist. That core audience that sends supacha, gets membership, participates in fan events, catches every stream live, obsessively draws fan art and edits videos, runs dedicated clip channels, etc is what's important. Subscribers who don't care about anything other than the meme content and at best watch a stream from time to time when they are bored and hdon't matter all that much.

Let's go abstract and imagine that every girl has a score. It's subjective, so let's say in my case qualities such as being ambitious, caring about art and singing well add points to an idol. For you positive qualities might be different but you get what I'm saying. (You), as a member of the audience, have a threshold. When a girl has enough points to breach your threshold you become her oshi no hito. Not necesserily an obsessed gachi, but there is a bond that makes you support her. What do idols do to maximize the number of supporting fans? They change their lives and broadcast them in ways that maximize their points (some of those ways are streamlined and that's where you get your image of the "proper" idol and the idol culture, but nobody says that they can't go off the rails trying to capture odd audience) and at the same time they try to maximize exposure, often by doing stupid shit like producing dumb meme clips or shoving their heads into boxes full of cockroaches on TV. Needless to say, openly being in a relationship causes a huge decrease in these points regardless of culture. It's just that much harder for fans' brains to keep the delusion up if their oshi has a visible significant other and without that delusion the whole thing falls apart. Yelling at idolfags that their parasocial relationship is based on a delusion is like yelling at people reading a novel that the events and characters in the story are not real. Yeah, no shit, Sherlock. I choose to get invested and enjoy myself anyway and they are selling this experience to me.

Now, as far as collabs with homos are concerned. Most idolfags wouldn't care if there were reasons to believe that they would keep it professional and regular collabs wouldn't devolve into something like FOXDEMON every time. There are no such reasons. If you don't care about idols and want shipping instead, there is another major chuuba corporation selling it. What are you doing in the filthy idolfag den? Homos themselves seem to get it. Probably because they are mostly idolfags themselves.

>>393020
I want more male vtubers who are femboys.
>>393588
>>393047
Based

>>422963
cursed
but you can hear, he still winning

>>429404
I feel this is the case with most male vtuber.
They are doing what they like, with some obligation

>>433905
>You don't need to understand idols in order to fall for their tricks. How do you think it goes? "Today I will have a parasocial interaction with a girl who sings upbeat J-pop in a frilly dress and also doesn't interact with males, let's fucking go!" Is that what you think the average idolfag thinks like?
I just don't see the guys looking for a parasocial relationship as the ones that made Hololive widespread and mainstream. When you look at the biggest names like Gura, Pekora, Korone, even Marine, Coco, Aqua, Fubuki, and Haachama (not Akai Haato), they're popular because of general comedic appeal, not because of GFEs or anything like that. I don't have doubts that the ones pandering to simps make money too, but Hololive's main exposure is from funny clips that leaked into general meme culture, not GFE pandering or idol concerts

>>433905
>>434705
I think in Hololive case, they are closer to anime waifu's rather than 3D idol.
So they are selling the prospect Of cute meme-ridden anime waifu instead of outright idol. At least in western audiance.

>>434705
>Hololive's main exposure is from funny clips that leaked into general meme culture
People really seem to forget this now, but clipfags watching some translated clip of them doing a funny video game are the actual reason this shit blew up in the west and there's fundamentally almost no idolshit/GFE in there.

>>393020
OOKINI

>>409057
HoloID gen1 was failure and lazy to streaming, they do what ever they want. no one give them proper idea,

risu rarely streaming, moona lack in everything, iofi have stupid idiology.

they're busy bunch irl

>>414982
>idol culture
>hololive
Hololive aren't fucking idols. they might try to say they are for branding and marketing purposes, but compare them with actual idol groups - if they were real people would they be considered in the same light? fuck no.
the reason people want collabs between HL and HS is the same reason they want any collab: they like both parties and think they'd be interesting to watch interact.
>implying the holos main selling point is being idols/the girlfriend experience and their main selling point
I think 80% of people are there for the Holos' characters rather than a delusional parasocial relationship. right about it probably being a bad business move though, those who are there for that are autists who foam at the mouth at the thought of their oshi being impure and would kick up a shitstorm if they felt like it.
>calling holostar fans simps while supporting idol culture
dilate

I think Hololive's real appeal as waifus is being girls who share similar dorky interests. It's why the most popular talents are the ones who share the same tastes as their audience. With a guy it's just not that special. It would be nice if one plays a roguelike.

>>435426
>I think Hololive's real appeal as waifus is being girls who share similar dorky interests.
There are tons of female vtubers that fit that bill who aren't anywhere near as successful though. That isn't a unique selling point.

>>435000
hololive and nijisanji had roughly the same volume of clips prior to hololive's rise in popularity. exposure was less of a factor than staying power and the element that differentiates hololive from nijisanji was the idol element, even if the overseas audience didn't realize it at the time.

>>435716
Same number of clips =/= same exposure. Stuff like the Eekum Bokum animation went viral into the mainstream, like on sites like KnowYourMeme. Nijisanji never got any moment like that.

>>430876
Wow Nene makes more than expected

>>431604
May be too bishie cause Oga and Shien do it every now and then yet are fine

>>436510
That's it
People think it's about idolshit when it's literally just slightly better memes and being connected better overall so you could link the individuals together easier than in Niji. And once they got the slightly better memes it created the snowball effect where clipfags would create better clips and then suddenly Pekora and Korone are household names with weebs that have never actually tuned into a stream before, and right after that gen 4 and Coco came out and then based off that HoloEn came out and now we're here.

>>393181
Get one of chat filters m8, though you probably can manage without one with their chat activity
Most stars actually have translators

>idolfags really think they carried hololive
It's because of the memes. You just have to look at any aspect of holopro and the fanbase to see this. Just look at this board spamming "ogey rrat" and Haachama threads. Just look at Reddit and the pandering given to them by Coco or Marine.
Why is Roberu the only Holostar not in obscurity? Because of the memes. Why are Olliestocks climbing among holo Indonesia? Because she's the funniest. Or to look at it another way, look at how Matsuri stagnated. She stopped having viral clips, and is more focused on apex and idol performance. Loyalty's nice and all, but it's the funny clips that make members grow
>>436922
>Most stars actually have translators
Do the translators also make clips? Tying into the above, it may be nice for streamwatchers to get live TLs, but without the extra effort to make clips for exposure, the stars won't be drawing more people through those translations. If they do make clips as well, good on them, but if not, that's one suggestion I have for people that do want to help the stars out directly

>>401423
Altough you do sound like an autistic faggot, you are based.

>>400167
Cause women have unlimited and constant access to male attention. Be it friendship, causal sex or serious relationships, they have a guy for everything (and if they don't they can find one very quickly). It makes no sense for them to shill out money to a guy who could never reciprocate and provide for them. Especially since they don't even know what he looks like.

>>393020
I wish the homos well. I just don't wanna watch them. Not my thing
Don't really get the hate towards them

>>393047
Unfathomably based.

>>393020
Still watch them, but won't post about them anymore. Some of their new viewers are toxic and obnoxious as fuck, think that the boys can't do no wrong borderline delusional, like to blame and shit one the girls and the girl's fans, and you can see some of them here.

>>400357
Only attractive women, no one wants fat ugly cows.

>>393047
Based.

>>441030
You'd be surprised, I knew a fat ugly bitch in high school who got plenty of dick from desperate freshmen looking to lose their virginities

>>393998
Is it really that big a deal? Or is it just different fanbases treat their idols differently?
I've Robuto has interacted with VOM and a lot of other 'girl' Vtubers and unless i missed it, I haven't seen any shitstorms come out of it.

>>441609
I doubt a full blown shitstorm would ever occur, but it will alienate some of the more unhinged people. I remember some of Astel's f*male fans shitting on him for appearing in Ame's chat one time, saying how inappropriate it was.

>>434290
I want fewer femboys. Masculinity is dying and straight guys won't pander.

>>393020
I feel indifferent towards them

I think Roberu is based.

>>393020
I follow two vtubers and watch their streams whenever I have time.

It's Miko and Roberu.

>>436877
>>436510
>>435716
>>435495
>>435334
You can't point to one factor and claim thats the reason Hololive is as popular as it is. It's a mixture of things, with memes and clippers being the most obvious ones. The connection between gens and branches is another big draw point, the PekoMoona arc created so many clips and fanarts. The idol aspect, as much as some vocal people hate it, is a big draw for many as it keeps the girls away from toxic shipping, relationship drama and limits them from talking about degenerate shit like this (https://youtu.be/MHhOs7e9GAg?t=113).). Remember it's the idolfags who have dedicated translation channels, who live TL the girls and do their best to support and promote the girls.

Nijisanji had shitposters like Mito, plenty of clips and more diverse talents that weren't limited by idol shit and look where that got them with the west. https://youtu.be/9l6DHIFkVg4

>>443888
>The connection between gens and branches is another big draw point
Which is why people ask to bridge the one branch that's seemingly detached.
>The idol aspect, as much as some vocal people hate it, is a big draw for many as it keeps the girls away from toxic shipping, relationship drama
A "no relationships" rule isn't exclusively an idol thing. Many workplaces have that, so it's not like it's a policy that needs to be tied to "idol culture".
I think shipping in general is a double-edged sword regardless, in the sense that you totally can gain fans from shipfaggotry. That doesn't mean I want it, but I don't think that having it vs. not having it can be absolutely determined as a complete positive or negative. Besides that, Holos already experience shipping cancer like with Okayu and Korone.
>degenerate shit like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1VJ1czhCk0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfINi8K7k5s
>Remember it's the idolfags who have dedicated translation channels, who live TL the girls and do their best to support and promote the girls.
You say this as if other companies, like Nijisanji, don't have dedicated translators/clippers. Fans exist without being idolfags.

Again, the popular members are not the ones that are idol-like. The popular vids on the main channel aren't the pop songs they keep releasing, it's the goofy HoloGra shorts that break 1mil views. The biggest draw internationally was the memes, and the retention is probably thanks to the more compact cast for recognition and collabs. On points those I agree. But while the idol factor exists, it's nowhere near a big contributor for Hololive's international popularity. They had idolshit since the start, but that didn't draw international attention. What made them explode was Korone, Pekora, Fubuki, and then later Coco and Gura, none of which really play up the idol aspect.

>>434705
You are missing the point. Exposure by itself doesn't mean success, it's only a part of the equation just like idolfaggotry is. One doesn't work without the other. Homos had loads of r*ddit exposure for months now, doesn't seem to help them much relatively speaking. All this constant shilling because bad idolfags killed Aloe and we wholesome bros need to support the stars, big event participation, voice destroying endurance streams, English only meme streams, influx of Western normalfags who are supposedly here for the entertainment and still, for every one of them except bar Robel it will take until like 2025 to catch up to Rikka who just quietly does his thing.

People don't need to come looking for the parasocial relationship. They come for memes and the ones who are vulnerable to that kind of thing stay, the rest mostly get filtered and eventually move on, aware that Hololive exists but not contributing to it in any way. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if a random underage spic from Argentina who doesn't speak a lick of Japanese knows Fox Burger King, yubi yubi DOOG or Pekora the crazy rabbit comedian. What matters is how many people who had seen a clip then started watching streams and got invested enough to start spending their time creating fan content (yes, including more clips, who do you think watches every stream fishing out interesting moments?) and showering holos in money. That's where idolfaggotry comes into play in Hololive's case. It's an environment optimized to turn potential idolfags into long time supporters when they come to check out the streams. It doesn't have to be idolfaggotry, as is the case for most Nijisanji chuubas, but Hololive specializes in idolfaggotry.

I've noticed you talk about "even" Fubuki. She was by far the biggest funny holo this time last year including the number of members. What happened, dog? Did Friend stop being twitter's meme fox?

>>393020
I don't hate the boys, I hate their fans who bring them up where they are clearly unwanted. Same way I hate nijiniggers and globaltards

never watched beyblade bro then looked him up, now I'm kinda sad

>>446321
>Exposure by itself doesn't mean success, it's only a part of the equation just like idolfaggotry is.
Holostars were basically only known for being male idols, which is why they failed. You even point out that Roberu's been the most successful at climbing out of obscurity, and that's 100% because of memes.
>Homos had loads of r*ddit exposure for months now, doesn't seem to help them much relatively speaking
One collab with Ollie put Astel of all people on the front page and had him instantly get past a subscriber milestone. Cross-collabs with popular members would definitely help.
>What matters is how many people who had seen a clip then started watching streams and got invested enough to start spending their time creating fan content (yes, including more clips, who do you think watches every stream fishing out interesting moments?) and showering holos in money. That's where idolfaggotry comes into play in Hololive's case.
First off, moving the goalposts, since the discussion was about what put the international eye on Hololive. Second of all, you have not shown where the idolfaggotry leads to the money overseas (I'm sure merch and shit is profitable enough in Japan). Do you really think the people that watch Pekora are idolfags?
>I've noticed you talk about "even" Fubuki. She was by far the biggest funny holo this time last year including the number of members. What happened, dog? Did Friend stop being twitter's meme fox?
She got infected by APEX.

>>430970
The IDs has streamlabs available since their debut too, so most of ID revenue must be higher than that.

>>393047
Based taste.

>>393020

They don't get clipped so they don't get foreign engagement. Meanwhile Japanese only want cute girls.

Their shit is probably less clippable anyway.

Male anime fans want cute girls.

Female anime fans like cute girls and yaoi.

Sadly holostars don't really fill either niche.

Sykkuno literally fills the niche in western audiences without an avatar
He plays up the uwu nice anime boy
Corpse Husband fills the girl focused audience too

Just look up clips of them, they're essentially vtubers

>>446630
>Holostars were basically only known for being male idols, which is why they failed. You even point out that Roberu's been the most successful at climbing out of obscurity, and that's 100% because of memes.
Memes give exposure. The content determines if that exposure will turn into something tangible. Roberu spawned memes and was able to retain the audience because he is the most entertaining of them all. He didn't make it because he collabed with Pekora and Marine or something.
If it was just about clips then homos wouldn't need to leech off Hololive in the first place because they would have their own dedicated clipper fans. You know why Hololive threads constantly spam Astel shit? It's because one (1) homo gachikoi really into Astel was spamming him every single day for months on end and forced his meme. Too bad for him it didn't change a damn thing in the end because nobody cares for Astel's content.
>One collab with Ollie put Astel of all people on the front page and had him instantly get past a subscriber milestone. Cross-collabs with popular members would definitely help.
What put him on the front page was novelty of a homo collabing with someone other than Fubuki, Matuli, Risu or Iofi. Oga had a collab with Fubuki and the only thing it did was piss off the few remaining cornfags some more, didn't even give the homo a bump in daily subs. Astel is still lower than Rikka in monthly subs and nobody ever watches Oga no matter how many collabs he gets. 400-500 average viewers 5 months ago, 400-500 average viewers now. We did it reddit! Why? For what purpose?
>First off, moving the goalposts, since the discussion was about what put the international eye on Hololive.
The dicsussion was about what "got them where they are". I'm arguing that getting international eye was only a part of getting where they are.
>Second of all, you have not shown where the idolfaggotry leads to the money overseas
I'm sure people who watch Mori's streams at 3AM and throw a supa at her every other day do it because they have nothing better to do and just need to aleviate their boredom with some fun stream that just happens to be online when they have nothing better to do. Uh-huh. Mori has already earned more money in supacha than Fubuki or Haachama did since their debuts back in 2018 by the way.
>Do you really think the people that watch Pekora are idolfags?
JOPs who throw money at Pessan? Absolutely. If you think that the hero of the children thing is all talk then think again, really hard this time. Even Kiryuu-kai are idolfags, they are just the odd ones I talked about. Coco sometimes talks about it, you know. What do you think, orange woman gets all that money because yakuza can't help but give her money when they see reddit memes and hear Numb by Linkin Park performed in a seal being tortured with a rusty cleaver voice?
If you talk about EOPs who don't understand one thing JPs say then sure, most of them are not idolfags. Idolfaggotry doesn't work very well with the langauge barrier. They don't supacha and aren't the target audience though. Valuable kaigai JP fans are people like lyger. EN is where EOP idolfags are at.
>She got infected by APEX.
Aqua plays APEX. Ayame plays APEX. Hell, Towa plays APEX and is doing relatively well for herself. Rushia, Miko and Coco were playing ARK for months. Debuff games can work out if the audience cares about the person streaming them enough, which is the point.

yup, except aruran but I don't want him anywhere near my oshi

>>393020
The collab ban actually benefits me since I wouldn't get into lots of Indies if not for Roberu collabing outside hololive

holostar fags still blaming """idol""" culture as if the no-male thing was ever a thing.

>>457286
>All before gen 3 debut
It's not Idol, but GFE shit that make hololive big hence no male collab ever again

>>393390
it's probably populated by young weeb girls that claim husbandos.

>>393588
I need to start watching his streams he actually seems pretty chill

>>394311
>Fujos like gay men, not idols.
he's 100% right

>>395053
>There are already dozens of us. Fujos are poor and other M.L.M. are too busy having real world sex.
fucking kek

>>400167
Females are too smart to fall for donation traps. It's in their circuitry to be at the recieveing end.

>>461820
The top 3 most donated streams of all time for vtubers are all guys though.

>>461820
Nijisanji is being carried by fujo’s. It’s just the west doesn’t have that many and they would rather spend their money and time on other shit.

>>461958
The females overall probably still make more money than the males, just because there are so many of them even if they aren't making huge amounts individually.

>>461820
Fujos are actually fucking retarded with their money actually, you just have to get them, see Kpop faggotry

>>430923
>>430970
choco sells ASMR at $10 per 6 minutes and the japs eat it up so I'm sure she's fine

>>462084
People don't really seem to think other sources of income exist. If it's not on the big numbers chart you aren't making anything.

Simply collabing doesn't do much, you have to really stand out. As much as I like Oga, he doesn't do anything groundbreaking during FBK's collabs, meanwhile, Astel delivered 20 powerful minutes to help Ollie getting champion. The last two days he has managed to retain 1k views throughout 5-6 hours, because everyone who was impressed by his apex skills decided to stick around.

>>422963
YES YEEEEES
WINNING SON

>>465336
I'd agree. collabing is a tool, if you don't use it correctly it's not going to help you. look at all the collabs Mel is doing if you need further proof.

>>465336
The people who like Foxdemon probably only watch him during Foxdemon collab because they only wanted to see his interaction with Fubuki.

>>457286
Notice if the member pretty much the same?
The fanbase relationship between two company was much better those day, If the same thing happening again these day with the same girl or even newer girl and not just one occasion, then i will be shut-up about idol.
Also correct me if im wrong, but isn't the pokemon collab was against female Niji's?

>>461958
>>462023
I think they generally spending more on merchandise rather than superchat.
I mean that pretty much how anime fujoshii spend and support.

>>422963
>https://streamable.com/xs8bzc
call me an autist, and rightfully so, but this gave me some real schizo flashbacks man.

i lost my virginity to my ex in hs, she said she was also a virgin, but i ended finding a sec tape of her and her brother on her phone, sounded just like this, yeses and everything

>>393020
I don’t hate or care for holostars, I’ve heard that oga (the one fucking risu) is into netorare so there’s that

>>469333
holy zhang

>>470265
He doesn't jack off to it, but he reads them for the comedic premises

>>470331
Okay risu

>>470331
How is netorare funny?

>>470388
His example was how it was ridiculous how the woman would get into the situation in the first place like
>The wife went to a hot spring alone, and then there were a bunch of naked beefy guys there to sex her up
Or just imagine the classic
>"My husband screwed up at work, so his boss made me his sex slave!"

>>393544
>there's gonna be a big divide between the fanbases.
In what way is that something bad? let each branch do it's own thing

>>400167
There is, they just watch Niji

Shien getting findommed Calliope style rules

>>462084
Choco makes bank on her roommate, her earnings are not a problem in the slightest

>>470670
Fair enough, I just hate netorare with a passion

>>471838
that's what I was saying

>>469333
>The fanbase relationship between two company was much better those day, If the same thing happening again these day with the same girl or even newer girl and not just one occasion, then i will be shut-up about idol.
Are you having a stroke? also what the hell are you talking about we're in the golden era of Niji and Holo collabs with a lot of very neat groups and friendships been made between the two.
It's just that fucking everyone is busy as all hell because Bloom is next week whiht NijiFest at the end of the month

Now hear me out, I know this is wild idea but have you folks considered that they just don't want to collab with them.
Like you know, they all have rather defined friend group and dynamics that are mutually beneficial and built a very nice work environment around themselves and the rare thign that is a all female work environment, you know like Toko and Furen are desperatly trying to build in Niji

>>393020
They need to do strategy games, and i'll check them out and be a consistant viewer. But if they play the same games as hololive with a few difference, rather have cute girls.

>>427604
You underestimate just how quickly can people make the switch to idolfags from regular viewers without them even noticing
Lovelive made the rounds in common anime circles, people just watching because it was a big thing in japan and another "cute girls doing cute things" fast forward 5 years and aqours is performing in LA with the crowd going fucking wild with call and responses
People aren't into idolshit until they suddenly are

>>393020
I don´t hate them, I just don´t watch them.
Mainly because I don´t speak moon and they rarely get trasnlated.

>>469333
>>472070
sup ESLkun

>>472305
Go back to jp elitist faggot.

>>472636
you're on an american website, learn to speak american.

>>472636
Calling out ESLs is a 4chan tradition you fucking retard

>>472287
>Rarely get translated
Holy fucking shit this is my biggest issue. I fucking hate that only the girls get reliable translations. It sucks so bad.

>>472287
>>472798
take the moon pill
learn japanese
don't let some "translator" tell you what they think your oshi is saying. let her speak to you directly.

>>472798
Bigger fanbase = More likely to attract people who know Japanese are dedicated enough to translate
It's not rocket science, not like translators are the solution to the problem what the homos needs is JP fans not even more EOPs

>>416975
What are you even talking about? Have you forget the existence of K-pop? They are idols as well and also have a dating ban.

roberu's playing some random horse game right now and it's surprisingly entertaining

>>431041
That's perfect

>>472950
>K-pop
The topic was about people that watch Holos. Korea doesn't watch vtubers. Just look at Nijisanji KR.

>>473209
The point is that idol culture exists outisde of JP in korea, although in a different way. But they share similarities.

>>431041
>It reinforces the opposite though. hololive is structured and sold as an idol group.
It's structured as an idol group, but what sells is the memes. The concerts and swimsuit shit didn't put them on the map, it was random clips. It's like how some kids get fast food meals for the toys instead of the food.

>>473288
And I'm saying don't nitpick or make marginal arguments. Your complaint is that the post didn't say "Japan + South Korea + whatever other countries has idol culture vs the rest of the world", which adds nothing to conversation.

>>473367
not him but it's not just the memes that sell hololive. it's the inherent gap more between the idolness and the memery, that's hololive's golden ticket

>>473367
Yeah but Hololive didn't sell 300k+ individual tickets for Holofest just because of clips, people want and like the idol part of the job
Just look at vtuber fest, both Hololive segments made more than all the others including Niji who had more screentime

>>473824
> Just look at vtuber fest, both Hololive segments made more than all the others including Niji who had more screentime

What are you talking about? More than all the others in what way?

>>473904
Vtuber fest had a "points" system that directly relates to the amount spent on gifts during the concert (Yes a paid concert quite literally had it's own version of SCs) and on both days the hololive segment made more point than all the others.
Out of the 2 hours of the first day, the 2 songs performed by the holos made 100k points, 1/5 of the total

>>393047
Based indeed.

>>401919
Wait. There's an EN "stars?"

>>404609
That's an exception tho, it's less "it can be made" and more "they don'y want it to happen in the first place" I really think that if anyone from the main branch was going to approach the homos they would have done it by now, I mean you recently had Subaru straight up said that she won't collab with them
>>423939
Because it's a very different scenario, just like Marine who has no problem having men on her radio show or Suisei and Aki with their guitarbro, it's has never been "collabs with men are off the table" but rather "collabs with male vtubers are off the table", just look at twappers she was honest, she's never going to collab with the stars, yet she has a male on her team for the APEX tournament, but the catch is that he isn't a vtuber
I think the same seems to be the case for EN, men are OK, male vtubers aren't

>>393020
I actually love them, my favourite is Astel, then Roberu, Aruran and Shien, im trying to watch Miyabi but he does mostly morning talks streams and there is no live translator on his chat

>>475704
no, I'm pretty sure he's just talking about hololive en and id

>>475921
this applies to you too
>>472859

>homobeggars
>anti purityfags
>shitting on the girls
Just kill this thread already.

>>476310
Says that while replying to the thread

>>476310
If you don't like it then fuck off back to /jp/, this is a pro unity, anti idolfag board

>>476411
why he streaming with no face?

>>475954
lol about to say no way that shit would work

>>476418
Pro unity won't beg and shit on the girls. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Only reason why I don't watch the homos is because of language barrier, that's it.

>>476512
but you watch the girls

>>476561
I don't either, I just let hlgg do a play-by-play based on their reactions. Funnily, the only time I've watched a vtuber stream was with Leon and Alice, only a few times before IRL told me that I don't have enough time.

>>393020
My winning son is very funny, I enjoy his collabs with Pikamee

Google-kun...
https://twitter.com/anyamelfissa/status/1359664740855730184
It translate PoV to hamedori/sex tape

>>476874
I mean, to hardcore purityfags, this collab basically is the same thing as one.

>>472859
I'm trying anon, but progress is difficult. How long should it take to be able to understand most streams anyway? Feels like it's going to take years

>>477980
I've got about 5000 hours and I only have to look up a kanji ten ish times a day

>>447188
>Male anime fans want cute girls
male weebs*

>>472724
owned by a jap kek