/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

did you know calli can't speak japanese?

I guess I never thought of it that way.

>>4397459
Woah, hey guys. Welcome to EB Games.

>>4397459
I don't understand but just looking at all those numbers is making me rock hard

Anon, that number is wrong. Wikipedia is quoting a website that doesn't even give data about all countries that does JLPT yearly. Unless literally nobody passes, that list is incomplete.

00096123417% of Japanese speakers speak it as a second language.
If you're successful… You're not just some foreigner trying to fit in, you're a special gaijin who took an enormous amount of effort to respect a special culture which felt and still feels threatened.

English, in contrast, is about 60~70% secondary speakers conservatively. If you believe the 2 billion metric it's actually around 82%.

00096% vs 70%.

>>4397731
I found another site saying ~1 million. So 00012707573% of the world speaks Japanese as a secondary language.

>>4397578
Call of Duty.
Advanced Warfare.
Xbox One.

>>4398337
Copy that.

>>4397799
They feel threatened culturally? I had always felt like they struck the perfect balance between modernity and tradition but maybe not? Is there an elevens perspective on the issue?

>>4397459
Thinly veiled cope thread. Do your reps. In fact, do double reps today. You can do it but only if you don't give up.

>>4397504
Naruhodo

>>4397459
I don't think there's any data on how many people kinda sorta speak some Japanese. I appreciate the point, though.

>>4399457
I'm talking about your end goal, not current standing.
If you've been listening to Japanese media and are currently consuming /vt/ubers you're likelihood of making progress is significantly higher than Joe Schmoe who started learning Japanese for the first time.

>>4399099
I'm not one but they were forced into opening up by the U.S twice. Once by the Commodore, next by the end of WW2. Both times they were humiliated.
There's definitely a sadness to the loss of old Japanese ways in the face of modernity and the loss of WW2. Some songs make references to this like Senbonzakura. They had a massive empire, an unstoppable navy and army, a complete cultural superiority -- they had a lot. They lacked a lot of course, and the fierce insane Japanese nationalist will ignore the massive amounts of corruption and inequality, but they had the world bowing before them.

>>4399583
Okay, I get your point and I appreciate the motivational thread.
I guess I'd just throw out there that if anyone actually wants to learn Japanese, you won't get there JUST by watching Vtubers.

I'll also drop something then. The proper way to learn Japanese. https://learnjapanese.moe

>>4397459
Come to Brazil, speak Brazilenese. We have many people, oh yeah.

it's actually much lower than 121500. that counts people who barely understand it at all

>>4408122
>Open page
>Inmediatly greeted by a big shiny discord button
Hell no

/djt/ may be a shithole but itazuraneko is the golden standard for any site's attempt at teaching you japanese.

>>4397459
>Did you know only 121,500 people, of the 7,869,323,158 people in the world, speak Japanese as a second language?
Where does that statistic even come from?

>>4408401
my ass

>>4408303
What about AJATT?

>>4408303
I took a quick look at Itazuraneko and they seem to be very similar actually.

>>4408401
OP got it from Wikipedia most likely and it cites this: https://www.ethnologue.com/language/jpn

>>4397459
>Did you know only 121,500 people, of the 7,869,323,158 people in the world, speak Japanese as a second language?
Yeah I'm gonna need a source before I believe that. Japanese is not so obscure or impossible that only such a tiny number of people would know it as a second language. There are likely more people in Japan that speak it as second language alone.

>>4397459
naruhodo ne

>>4397504
>>4399327
Wait, didn't she teach English in Japan though? Wouldn't that be difficult while not speaking Japanese?

>>4408807
Not really, lol. Getting the job would be probably the hardest part.

>>4397504
sou desu ne wakarimashita

>>4399706
I would argue that their army and navy were pretty stoppable.

>>4408707
>>4408630

>>4408707
It's a relatively small isolationist nation with one of the most complex writing systems on Earth and thousands of hours required for the average english speaker. I say relatively small because it's population and size is dwarfed by China.
Add on that their neighbors have fairly major tensions with them, and have far more incentive to learn English as a second tongue, as well as the discrimination they'd face filtering them, and you get numbers that bad.

I do wonder what the numbers will look like in a few years, considering those wikipedia ones are outdated now. I think the cultural dominance of Japan and the economy will make it more common as a studied language.

>>4410927
Had. And it took the Allies and China and Russia to defeat them.
Also keep in mind the army and navy literally, not figuratively, refused to cooperate and even share intel with each other. Yet despite that they managed what they managed.

>>4397459
there is more chinese alone who speak JSL, heck I'd bet even Taiwan alone has more than that number, and Korea as well.

>>4399099
All info I can give you on this is tweets like this where they talk about Japanese People going into "political correctness" which seems to be their first attempt at a word for the wokeness shit we see.

https://twitter.com/macchiMC72/status/1396984587192995841

Generally though, the Japanese public is usually happy if you tell them they should just do like they always did regardless of what english fans scream at them.

>>4397459
tl;dr EOPs patting themselves on the back about not knowing japanese

Now out of 121,500 people, how many of them are stinky weebs? Probably a good amount.

>>4399706
>They had a massive empire, an unstoppable navy and army, a complete cultural superiority
no dude, they THOUGHT they had all those things, tried to show them off, and then the world (represented here by muttland) stepped in and reminded them that they were actually very, very small

basically holoJP should be making war reparations with their vaginas in roppongi

Realistically speaking, how many months of learning japanese would I need to become an english teacher

>>4397504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR9XEG_JHdE

>>4413744
yes, no, please and thank you
the rest will be provided to you via assisted learning programs

>>4408707
Honestly if we exclude Asians from that number it sounds pretty sane. I mean probably more than 3/4 of JSLs are Chinese or Korean, but the amount of Westerners who get fully proficient at it still can't be that large.

>>4397459
Don't feel proud. You should support your EN vtubers, fight against the japanization of online media.

>>4414846
absolutely not. kneel to the nip, you filthy gaijin.

>>4414846
>Fight against the Japanization of online media by watching Hololive
anon...

>>4414989
He meant english Vtubers in general you retard. This board really is /holo/.
This said, fuck western chuubas and fuck vshojo in particular

>>4399706
at least they still have some of their culture left

>>4397504
YA BE

>>4397459
>Did you know only 121,500 people, of the 7,869,323,158 people in the world, speak Japanese as a second language?

>>4408303

>>4397504
>>4413745

>>4397504

>>4413744
Immigrants are cancer, stay out of Japan, thanks.

Where did this Mori can't speak Japanese thing come from anyway, feels a bit like a shitpost that people take seriously.

Retarded EOP cope, those numbers are meaningless and don't include the countless people who learned japanese without reporting it to whoever compiled these statistics

>>4427812
You will never be Japanese

>>4397459
>hard language unrelated to any romance/germanic language is not very popular as a third language.
Added to being kinda secluded it makes sense that no one who doesn't have a particular reason would learn japanese, instead of german, spanish or french (english is mandatory anyway).

>>4429758
so if I can speak english and spanish, I get a pass for my jap reps?

>>4429456
no, but my children will.

You could fret about learning Japanese or you could do your reps.

>>4427812

No

>>4430811
If you're born with English, and to a lesser degree Chinese, as your mother tongue there's zero expectations for you to learn anything else.
It's why most countries have signs in english.

Think what you will of this but it makes learning a language all the more admirable to most people who'll meet you. Except maybe Chinese. Because you're doing something unnecessary.

>>4397459
Or you could look at it another way: the fact that so little people are learned it, despite the jap propaganda being pushed on the west, proves that nobody cares about that country and language.
Comparing numbers for en and jp holos proves that this is also the case for vtubers, a thing that basically only seriously existed in Japan for years.
Let's hope that this gets noticed and soon we'll get more western vtubers that don't care about weeb shit.

>>4428152
Her collab with Coco. She can't keep up a convo and just nods while mumbling "naruhodo ne" when she doesn't naruhodo at all.
https://youtu.be/YTTnA4MQkg0

>>4444988
If you travel to non-english speaking countries and expect everyone there to speak to you in english you're just an asshole. English as a lingua franca (ELF) exists but not for the benefit of english natives. It's convenient if everyone knows basic phrases in one language and it just happened to be english. It's similar to how Aviation English exists to ensure all pilots worldwide can communicate with control towers.

>>4397459
Japanese is pretty useless and having so many writing systems is retard af, but it does sound cool.

>>4408807
you can absolutely teach english in another country without speaking the local language. a relative of mine left to teach english in Iraq without learning arabic first

>>4408535
I did AJATT in 2008. It's good, but obsolete by today's standards. However at it's core, learning Kanji recognition first through mnemonics (heisig), and then learning the on and kun readings in context through sentences is still an extremely effective method. It's only one piece to the puzzle. It will make you literate, but the best thing to do is what Kiara did. Make as many Japanese friends as possible and try to communicate with them only using Japanese. A sink or swim approach that forces you to actually use it and not passively study. Or as she called it, fake it till you make it.

>>4446620
What I said is 100% true. Almost every sign in Japan has English under it. Zero expectations.

>>4446620
>it just happened to be english
You know that's not true. You know it's the enormous influence of America and the Anglosphere as a whole on the world that made English the lingua franca worldwide.

>>4429456
>you will never be x
Newfag buzzphrase, kill yourself quickly.