/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Fug, either today (Friday) or tomorrow.

I hope she gets into hololive with pikamee and those two girls from that visual novel black company

Most likely.

I didnt watch her but its bullshit if this model gets abandoned so fast

NijiEN in shambles

>>44230290
This sucks man I was actually a day 1 zaimon

Archive the fucking vods!

This whole situation is so funny. They should hurry up and announce it already

>>44230290
No one knows if it was close all the time during the suspension or closed recently.

>>44230290
>probably
how do we tell this anon?

>>44230290
The same thing happened with Yugo before he got fired so...

>>44230347
>gets suspended for not following the rules and going behind management's backs
>"I hope she joins Holo!!'"
You beggars know no shame.

Rest in Peace.
Do share her reincarnation here, I will subscribe and maybe superchat to show support.
Anycolor is a shit company.

>>44230290
Pure sex model locked in the vault, what a fucking shame.

>>44230856
Their whores are just that boring that they have to beg for girls from other companies.

>>44230805
>>39668353

>>44230290
Well I guess it's official, someone tell the /grave/ fags that we need to dig another hole

>>44230514
same
>>44230881
also same

zaion had probably the best nijien model by a mile, my horny ass aside the faces she could make was great

>>44230290
I haven't even gotten to watch her yet and she's gonna be graduated :/ well that sucks, she seemed like the perfect woman for me from what I had heard about her being a hag too...

>>44230915
Who's going to make the new thread

>>44231092
I really wanted to watch her, it was the most I've wanted to watch a NijiEN since Maria

>>44231181
There goes my chance of meeting my perfect vtuber I guess...

>>44230290
Phase 3

>>44230290
She's reading and liking comments on her PL's last yt video

>>44230856
>You beggars know no shame.
Zaion did nothing wrong

>>44231092
>>44231181
>>44231229
She'll go back to her old account most likely, or start fresh. You'll be able to watch her, and as a bonus she won't be in Niji anymore.

>>44231121
Uh, not it.

>>44230290
She most likely got Roa-ed like her senpai

>>44230856
My bad, anon. We've been slacking. Obviously the premier poachcorpo is Phase Connect. Fishman will get them.

>>44230347
>that visual novel black company

Now that she won't be a Niji anymore maybe I'll start watching her.

Zaion gained a good enough following from this shit to go indie. If she graduates it wouldn’t matter… gonna miss the model though

>>44231434
I hope so, I wanna start watching her, I cant explain why but I feel a connection deep within my soul despite not knowing much about her..n

>>44230856
>wants the shota and lolicons to join EN with some ESL girls and filter out the twitter/twitch community.
>Beggar!!
I don't get 3 am anons...

>>44231508
Kek

>>44230290
After two weeks, her RM tweet should have removed any doubt. Re:Birth

Come to Hololive. Looked at the archived privated vods. Nothing wrong by Hololive standards. Nijifans overblowing things like the twittards they are.

Good, she belongs in phase anyways, not that cuck corpo

>>44230290
>Graduation annoucement probably incoming?
Definitely not. Now, a termination announcement...

owari da

>>44231601
>she belongs in phase anyways, not that cuck corpo
Anon...

>>44231601
sir we are also known as cuck connect, boyfriend connect, etc

>>44231601
roru
rumao
even

>>44231601
>tons of wons
Anon, I...

>>44231524
Idk why theres an n at the end there, I hate PHONEPOSTING

>>44230290
>Graduation
The word you're looking for is termination

>>44230514
Same. First time I joined a niji's membership as well. I'm at the point I want her to announce her graduation as soon as possible, so she can sooner start streaming with her PL or reincarnation.

>>44230290
Did she even get along with anyone in the branch?

>>44230290
Fuck Nijisanji serously. FUCK.

Well, Khyo will have some fresh content. All the yabs he's been missing must have diven him crazy.

>>44231586
Look again. She used to stream nothing but Genshin in her PL.

>>44231764
No, that's how you know she was good.

>>44231723
The fuck did she do to warrant termination over graduation?
And don't post that lukewarm 'no wonder she got' clip.

>>44230290
Well that sucks. Deranged Twitter trans are celebrating this victory.

For those curious, her past life account on twitch updated the panels and chat rules and her past life's twitter teased a return. Looks like she is going back to /lig/ status

>>44231691
There's a difference between being a cuck for a really cute girl and being one for a cunt like Enna

>>44231835
In case you forgot, Hololive allows RM accounts. She can do Genshin on her PL account; Yabai content on her Hololive account.

>>44231900
Why would it suck? She's now free from the shackles of a shit company.

>>44230290
She was literally too based for NijiEN
I'll probably check her out once she's free from their clutches

>>44231963
>saying this when someone ditched them for Arknight

>>44230290
It's over.

>>44231899
PL account stuff visible on her genshin streams, talking about emulation on FFXIV streams which is a big no-no in JP, more privated streams in her first month with Niji than any other member's first month
if management cared about the "zion" slip-up they would have done something after debut, likewise the rape joke is something she might have gotten bonked for but not terminated. there are clearly some issues that management has that she's not willing to budge on, to the point where she'd rather leave and go back to being an indie

>>44231963
Holo isn't going to want her.

>>44232019
So are you saying three of Myth are going to do the same too?

>>44232019
They were ditched for arknight and not wanting to stream period. I dont think she even streams anymore. Or atleast not consistently.

>>44232114
She'll fit right in Hololive. Why Nijifans so against her?

>>44231913
On the one hand, she’d be free of Anykara’s jet black talons. On the other, being a Twitchfag AND a /lig/ger is a fate worse than death.

>>44232098
Kek sounds kinda great. Hope she rolls coal on them.

>>44232148
Why does she have to be in a company?

>>44230756
Same pattern with NijiEN dude(?) that got "forced graduated" before her

>>44231873
She embodies a stereotypical twitch streamer, which she was. Good for you I guess, just not for me

>>44232127
And you think someone whose 90% of the content revolves around Genshit will be happily streaming consistently somewhere you can't even mention Genshit.
So true my dear begger.

>>44231899
They can just say that them given advice to her but she didn't take it, make her working under the company untenable and decode to "forced graduated" her off, just like what they did with Yugo before.

KYO
YOU FUCKING NIGGER

>>44232182
corpo watchers stuck in past assumptions when being indie is more viable than ever before

>>44232182
The same reason that she joined Nijisanji? Now, she will have to do some idol work in Holo, but she probably thought the same with Niji. I have a feeling that she would love to be part of EN3.

>>44232148
It's a big headache and money loss to fire a vtuber. She'll be considered a toxic risk.

>>44232386
Don't fool yourself. Being an indie is fucking garbage unless you're lucky and the grinding pays off.

>>44232386
Not only is it viable she'll likely retain a lot of her viewership. She was consistently a 500-1000 view vtuber on twitch even before Niji and since her past life is a poorly kept secret the dedicated newer fans will likely follow her. "Too based for Corpos" plays well on Twitch as well. She may be out of the corpo but she probably will win in the long run.

>>44232442
Hololive has a rep of helping those in need. From past companies. Of course, I can't judge for them.

>>44232409
>got in a company with restoration
>can't follow it thus quit
>get to a company with stricter restriction and also never be able to play her favourite game on stream
>s-she will be happy
The begging is just hilarious.

I really wonder if NijiEN management think they're doing a good job.

>>44230290
Rundown on this?

>>44232548
I’m sure they do. It’s a giant circlejerk over there.

>>44230290
2nd termination for Niji EN within 3 months! I hope this trend keeps up.

I knew she leaves, I am the Wait for me poster.
>source: the voices in my head

>>44232632
Are you retarded

>makes a tame rape joke
>your career is destroyed forever
The absolute state of the west. Pekora made the same joke without incident

>>44232632
>>44232098

>>44232409
Baffling post.

>>44232680
I don't watch vtubers so it's safe to say that I'm not.

>>44232683
JP is hel to different standards, they can pkay the hari pootah game without issues, own shotas and rape anyone
Truly a different world
As soon as you go EN, you are forced to apologize for everything

>>44232657
I was the "waiting for my wife Zaion!" poster on the doxsite. I'm just glad this whole spiel is over soon and I can watch her again.

>>44230290
I hope she reincarnates as soon as possible, I want to shower her with money.
Real shame about the model, though. It was pure sex.

>>44231515
She had like the same CCV in nijien as she did as an indie

>>44232683
Pekora and the rest of the Japanese scene also played Hogwarts Legacy without even a slight issue. The problem isn't what she did, but rather who the main audience is. Her getting out of NijiEN and away from the twitterfags who plague the fanbase is the best is the best thing she could do.

>>44232759
>on the doxsite
Nuke yourself.

>>44232796
best case she pulls and unou// lulu and gets a recolor.

>>44232300
Hololive allows RM accounts, unlike Niji. Plus there is no ban from mentioning the games. Gura talks about MuseDash all the time, though she can't stream it. Plus the made-up shit about not talking about mods mainly pertains to Nintendo. Talking about mods on FF was being done with all the FF streamers at the time because of recent bans using them. Plus Gura talks about mods on rhythm games.

>>44230290
>mentioning wizard game
>got terminated

>>44232870
Or she could just stay indie.

>>44230290
>Niji en is dying
Vtubing is healing

I blame Kyo's wigger ass for this

with this I'm done with nijisanji completely. fuck their double standards horseshit. might even become a genuine anti with what they did to zaion.

>>44232870
>Hololive allows RM accounts, unlike Niji
Wrong. There are like shittons of examples even in EN, do your rep.
>Talking about mods on FF was being done with all the FF streamers
>comparing individuals with agency
Do you seriously think Cover wants to mess with SE? SE explicitly hates mods and plugin.

>>44230856
Holofans really want girls that are actually entertaining to join their company. Don't mind them.

One angle I haven't seen brought up in all of this is how this is will effect niji EN's recruitment going forward. Zaion was a highly established twitch vtuber with a ton of respect in the twitch indies and genshin community with a dedicated built in community that largely followed her, and yet Niji EN management just proved they couldn't handle that. Now any notable twitch vtubers will likely seriously think twice about applying to or being involved with Niji. They'll have to get pretty good at combining through /wvt/ tier 2views.

>>44233016
the remaining ones are going to have some difficulty being entertaining now that they have a speech code imposed on them at the caprice of the twitter sisters.

>>44230290
Owari da...

>>44232870
Nijisanji also allows RMs

>>44232548
only a retard think Zaion don't deserve this. Everyone else was able to adapt to being in a corpo, but not her. the fault isnt in management, its on her for not listening

>>44233076
vox will still get to do rape ASMR though because it's ok when the boys do it.

she's the first vtuber that i fuck with and while i've been hopeful for the return, i'm not really surprised she's outta here. it's kinda clear from the streams that she's stubborn and that mindset of hers is butting heads with management. it sucks to be the one to leave a golden opportunity behind and have a ruined image, but if she can do what she wants, then maybe the move is worth it. i'm looking forward to the re-debut whenever that happens.

kind of a shame that model is going to waste away in a vault somewhere though. the art and rigging is godly.

>>44231963
I never “forgot”, genius.
You’re acting like a total “beggar”.
She won’t go corpo ever again.

>>44232937
I figured she had some dream leaving indie for Nijisanji. Did she give up on that already?

>>44230290
CRASHING THIS PLANE
WITH NO SURVIVORS!

>>44232989
tell me you are a schizo without telling me

>>44233093
lick that corporate boot some more. ignore the blatant double standards.

>>44233020
Joining either of the big two seems really unappealing by now, especially when small corpos with decent funding seem to becoming more common.

>>44232683
That's Niji for you

>>44232989
I'd agree, but I'm of the mind that I can watch individual talents whilst not being a fan of the company. I only watch one now, anyway.

>>44233113
yeah, its because of "rape" anon. Not like there was 3 reasons in there, with the obvious not listening and lying on stream being the most important. Fucking retards

>>44231524
Just wait until you get to know her and realize she's a dime a dozen genshit/FFXIV streamer that /vt/ hyped up for literally no reason

>>44233146
>he still thinks this is about the rape joke and being politically correct and not shit that management actually cares about

>>44233085
I stand corrected.
I'm confused on why she hasn't streamed on her RM account? At least during her suspension. Anyone explain?

>>44233146
There's no double standards you fucking retard. She's the only NijiEN member who was acting like she was still an indie, and if didn't want to change that, ofc she would be suspended. even before she was suspended, anyone who watched her saw how she fucked up a lot in basic corpo shit

>>44233129
I think what baited her was the music connections since she tried to release some music. That's the only realistic benefit Niji has on Indie

>>44233114
>a ruined image
Looks more like a badge of honor to me

>>44233125
>She won’t go corpo ever again.
Glad you know her so well.
She joined Nijisanji for a reason. I'm hoping she didn't give up on such a dream.

>>44233191
anons here either are retard, larping as retards just to shit on nijisanji or cant think for themselves to see what a anykara would care about

>>44233191
>he believes NIJEN management even though their own talents admitted they were liar through their teeth about the concert cancelation.

>>44233160
I'd usually agree but current NijiEN is so radioactive that it just turns me off completely from trying any of their talents.

oh look another victim from the twittrans crowd. When the fuck are you faggots going to filter these people out from the subculture?

>Pikamee, Zaion and Vesper will all graduate in March
2023 off to a bad start

>>44233191
We know for a fact that NijiEN management is chock full of unironic neon hair trannies and dykes who post gay activist shit on their personal twitters, enough of them were doxxed

>>44233148
I don't know about Hololive, but NijiEN is definitely not as appealing these days, unless you have no self-respect, or are actually a fan of Nijisanji JP, the latter being the rarer reason. Trying to be a big fish in a small corpo seems more respectable now, especially since viewership for small corpos seem to be increasing.

>>44233252
shes not ever joining hololive if she couldnt adapt to nijisanji en of all things. her best path is something like phase connect
>>44233265
Difference is that we watch zaion and we know what she did on public, retard, so we know most of what is said in there is true. we just dont know the private shit.
and anykara dont lie or have any reason to suspend or graduate someone when this means they will just lose money from their investment.

>>44233315
im sure you do when you only know noor and shes not even part of management

>>44233337
>and anykara dont lie

>>44233337
>shes not ever joining hololive if she couldnt adapt to nijisanji en of all things. her best path is something like phase connect
I beg to differ. Point is I've seen nothing that would warrant a suspension with Hololive. Twittards making up shit about mods and saying the girl deserves rape. Watch the vods and decide for yourself instead of listening to others.

>>44233337
If Zaion graduates it's because she wanted to despite Anykara wanting her to remain.
The doxx and harassment made her contemplate un-aliving so I wouldn't be surprised if she leaves.

>>44233337
maybe you tell Vox and the other Luxiem boys that NIJEN management would never lie about "COVID" or anything else.

>two graduations already because of rule breakers
gee it seems like shitting out members like a gacha machine isn't a good idea after all because they have no standards and let any joker join.

>>44231459
I do wonder if both of them have discussed things behind closed doors.

>>44233587
I still have no idea what they were thinking about with yugo.

>>44232759
Were you? Haven't visited the site in a week

>>44233587
In fairness, as far as Zaion was concerned she looked like a huge get on paper for management: big partnered twitch vtuber with a sizable audience and a good niche with Gacha gaming. They just had no idea as a management team how to deal with her or her audience that followed and it shows.

>>44233727
>good niche with Gacha gaming

>>44230290
Did any of her coworkers stand up for her?

>>44233587
Proportionally still fewer graduations than HoloEN

>>44233752
vtubing, mmos, and anime-themed gambling goes hand in hand

>will you be my eternity?

>>44233790
She is new, lives in the US not in Canada anon
Count how many fucking americans are there

>>44233798
Being a retarded gachabrain is the reason why Finana was left behind by the rest of her gen

>b-b-bu
No moron, people generally don't give a shit about pointless year old drama about pointless bullshit. Most people who watch her will never even hear about it. The reason she doesn't get viewers is because whenever she's on, she's playing some dogshit game.

>>44230290
https://en.whotwi.com/SayuOkami/mutual_friends?&page=1
Pippa and Zaion *now* follow each other on Twitter. Most likely nothing burger, but who knows.

>>44233217
assuming they allow RM streams, there's most likely a period at the start of the contract where talent isn't allowed to do them. so, she's playing careful in order to avoid getting slapped down harder otherwise she might just get terminated.

>>44233247
i hope she wears it with pride on her 3.0 launch. fuck the mobs, the girl is still standing.

>>44233793
True but only because niji en had 3x the streamers. It's a bummer that all 3 cases were literally why did you hire them cases.

>>44233790
It's pretty hard to make a case to defend her. She's like an asshole little bro that's also retarded so you have to let it slide cause it's god's plan they keep being a fuckup and not everyone else has that kot toxoplasmosis brainwashing them into letting it slide

>>44233857
Phase Friend Sayu

>>44233966
I fully expect her to play it as "I stood up to management and left" when she tells her side of the story

>>44233845
Finana was always the shitter of Lazusydia struggling to get 4views regardless of content. Pomu was getting more viewers on the fucking Zelda remake than Finana did on RE8 when it was fotm during their first month.

>>44231899
less than a year. Contract got canceled or broken reason enough to terminate instead of graduation the rest are just details.

I also realized that it’ll probably be time to crack open Ye Olde
>30,000 applicants
if she really is “graduating”, because a new wave would surely follow.

>>44233845
Being an obvious beginner streamer and clearly winging it was what gimped her. And then she had the rest of her retarded moments.

>>44234008
It was never going to be any other way

>>44233482
Maybe you should watch shit instead of thinking rape shit is the reason this is happening and not her not knowing how to be in a corpo enviorement. There was 3 main things, you retarded ass only is focusing in one.
>>44233580
>>44233420
I'm obviously talking about graduation, suspension and termination reasons, you morons. They have no reason to lie about this and in fact that never did before. No agency wants to lose members, unless theres a big problem, and in nijisanji it always has been like this

>>44234286
What happened to Yugo?

Bum

>>44234128
30 000 applicants never has been a real thing and if you believe in this, you have to be a complete retard. this information isnt official
>if she really is “graduating”, because a new wave would surely follow.
gamer wave had auditions middle 2022 and a new one began in january, of course they have, this is nijisnaji

>>44234343
its written in the statement

>>44234238
You think this far in niji would have been better at screening and supporting them. Especially since Sana was a clearcut case to warn niji about making the same mistake.

>>44234128
How many are actually capable. How many have already walked the walk beforehand as an indie.

BY THE RIVERS OF BABYLON

>>44234419
Idk if you have read this or not but the statement literally says she wasn't listening to them to obey the rules. Thats the actual fucking reason for the suspension, not rape or anything. No one else outside of 30 members had it, just her, so no, the problem is her.

>>44230886
>>44233016
>holofan want them
Faggot, nobody want your problem, gtfo larping as holo she won't join holo when she a genshin addict and holo won't hire them if all they do is streaming
>inb4 luna, kaela, koyori
Still no.

Why can't she just take the model and tell NijiEN to deal with it?

>>44234535
IP of anykara. It's also rigged with their shitty brand Nijisanji brand software.

>>44231543
She’s a twitch ff14 and genshin player
I don’t think you would watch her if she changed corpos

>>44234535
You can do most things, but you don't ever fuck with the money. That's when people get real mad. Taking things that don't belong to you, i.e. stealing, is fucking with the money.

>>44231764
She collabed with Maria on a song so they have to have been friends

>>44234470
I did read it and they could have been polite enough to just say dumb bitch keeps doing dumb fucking shit that gets vods privates instead of tiptoeing around it.
I'd have thought they would have done better screening and being able to present a more realistic vision of what the corpo streaming workload is going to be like

>>44234670
I'll watch her if she spams deep dungeons.

>>44234535
better to commission her nijimama a new model she can own

>>44234689
>>44234610
>>44234761
But it's gonna go to waaaaaaaaaaaaaaste it's not fucking fair.
How the fuck could they allow the literal best model I've seen from any corpo, with the most amazing rigging and facial expressions ever, get fucking SHITCANNED so soon?

>>44231899
They said
She lied about something
She didn’t change behavior after being asked
And bad jokes that they didnt approve on

>>44230290
oh yeah that's a termination

>>44230554
Has anyone done that?

>>44232000
Hope you like genshin

>>44234757
Anyone who ever watched her or has contact with her fans, or heck, opened a clip, know she privated a lot of vods and had many moments showing how much she couldn't be a corpo vtuber if she wanted. and considering she never got better and in the statement they say she wasnt listening to her, then i do believe on it based on all the context i have. and remember, no one else had this problem, including her own genmates.

>>44231764
no, she herself said she didn't have much in common with any of them

>>44234774
maybe, just maybe, because theres fucking context in her streams about her not adapting to corpo life (or not wanting to) and the statement showing how much this is true

>>44234813
It's not much she should just do it like Yugo and release a torrent a month later including the privated ones.

>>44234813
yeah but they're being secretive at the moment

>>44233647
big numbers on Tiktok? I think it was
so they just assumed she would get big numbers on Youtube as well even though it's a completely different market

>>44234474
Why would I want them to join Holo? I don't care about Holo and won't watch them just because of a brand. Only fans of Hololive would want the girls to join Hololive. Hard pill to swallow I know, but Holobeggars are Hololive fans.

>>44235041
Oh dang that's fucked up.

>>44233146
Do you watch Nijisanji
Most people who didn’t even dislike her weren’t suprised because even though she was a month old she had this indie air of her especially with being a twitch corpo vtuber when almost everyone else was YouTube

>>44235182
>twitch corpo
huh? she was indie, and niji had some good hires from twitch side

What did she do anyway?
Niji is a black hole of knowledge for me as there are too many people and are all cliquey and drama filled

She’ll go Indie and then casually join that Phase invader thingy and she’ll shit on everyone in NijiEN afterwards with Pippa. I can feel it

I've been trying to scour the archive to see if someone managed to archive all streams of Zaion, including the privated, non-edited, and deleted ones and I'm still empty handed. I'll be patient and wait until someone drops a magnet link on nyaa

>>44235290
i fucking hope so. i want her to crash nijisanji with no survivors

>>44235289
no one knows, except that whatever it was is something she outright refused to change and management finds that unacceptable

>>44235289
She's got a big mouth and wouldn't think before she spoke or did things. I liked it but it ruffled too many feathers. I can't see her handling it constructively in any way while the suspension notice basically took out a knife. Which is a damn shame for the model.

>>44235458
Ok then who is she, what does she stream, and what could possibly upset her?

>>44235401
Odds are that would pop up after her potential/inevitable “graduation”, just to not cause her more grief just in case. I’m guessing it’ll always be down 2-3 vids, at best.

>>44234286
>Maybe you should watch shit instead of thinking rape shit is the reason this is happening and not her not knowing how to be in a corpo enviorement. There was 3 main things, you retarded ass only is focusing in one.
I'm just repeating the falsehoods spread by Nijifans. The 'not knowing how to be in a corpo environment' doesn't cut it for me. Without examples of such, sounds like a bootlicker. NijiEN already has a reputation for "lying" that they brought onto themselves.

>>44233252
SHe'd have even worse content restrictions from joining Hololive, retard, and Holo management is notorious for being slow and lazy about the game permissions they do manage to get.

>>44235401
Same. I downloaded all the public VODs but I know it doesn't count for much.

>>44235541
there are incomplete archives on ragtag but her second stream was edited for some reason.

>>44235519
Another item of note is that, unless she were in supreme dereliction/insubordination, a suspension leading into graduation with no prior suspensions would likely have a more obvious cause and effect.

>>44235530
That's Niji nonsense. Holo has more game restrictions, but her other actions fit right in with Holo that Nijifans complain about. Tell me what she did that would be restricted in Hololive?

>>44235530
They killed Sana with it...

>>44235641
Does Holo even have genshit and FFXIV?

Her leaving is the best case scenario.
Look, yeah I know, her model was amazing, I don't disagree and I'll miss it, but it sounds like if she continued to work for NijiEN, she'd have to be a lobotomized, completely different person. I wouldn't want that. I like her for who she is, I like her energy, I like her humour.
I don't think she did anything wrong and I saw 0 problems with what she was doing. She'll be able to continue doing her thing if she goes indie or joins Phase Connect sometime down the line which is the best we could ask for.

At least I can be free from nijishit now, just like Zaion.

>>44235704
>they
Sana killed herself with it.

Its over

>>44235747
I still insist there was a collective fuckup. Sana wanted to do her thing and there was no way they would have hired her if they were honest and went that stuff? Y'no you can't. She wouldn't have wanted to and they wouldn't have wanted a directionless non-streamer mess bound to burn out and graduate. Yet it happened.

>>44230290
who unironically fucking cares

>>44235704
>Does Holo even have genshit and FFXIV?
FFXIV. I wouldn't mind someone in Holo playing it. Forgot who tried, but quit after being mogged by stream snipers.
Genshin can be played on her RM account. if she desires. Old sponsors and all.

>>44235641
I don't even watch niji but from the clips that float around they obviously have free reign to talk about gender nonsense, dating, sex fail stories, and the retard cat even did a nipple clamp stream.

>>44235641
Are you allowed to talk about mods and emulators in Hololive? Not cheeky mentions, outright mentioning roms and which emulator on pc to use? Talking about romhacks as well? Talking about her PL in detail, outright saying 4chan as well

>>44236011
>90% of her past and current content was Genshin
>S-she could stream it on your RM account
Anon, are you genuinely retarded?

>>44236124
This wasn't part of Zaion's content but there's also all the history discussion restrictions that Mumei got kneecapped with.

>>44236133
source?

>>44236011
I think Ina played once or maybe it was just a watchalong to an announcement? On the JP side Pekora did it once while Fubuki and Iroha played the story. Also at least one homo streams it.

If they graduate Zaion they have set new standards for every other liver to follow. One bad joke and you are gone.

>>44236199
I truly believe Genshin is not the only thing she cares about.

>>44230347
>Zaion joining the company that doesn't have Genshit perms

>>44236239
Check the week 1 privated vods on her archives. She immediately talks about roms and stuff and romhacks in a pokemon zatsu.

>>44236302
Then you have never watched her to begin with.

The fish will rule the vtubing world soon.
Wait and see.
Wait and see.

>>44236267
So when is Millie getting terminated?>>44236302

>>44234368
post the hairy one

>>44235905
dramafags mostly, and some of actual authentic Zaimons I guess

of course, drop it on a friday and let it die down over the weekend, announce a new gen or something new monday

Niji does the most cynical scumfuck business move at every single chance

Can't wait to see how vitriolic the """graduation""" statement will be.

>>44230290
Why did you let it happen Nijitrannies? She's one of the girls I liked...

>>44232757
apologize for this!

>>44236349
I watched the stream of her talk about mods on FF. Then the witchhunt turned into it being a taboo worth suspending. But yea, if she talked about romhacks on pokemon, that is bad.
I'll watch that week 1 archive. Again, rather see for myself before passing judgement.

>>44236267
That's only for women

>>44230347
If she can't fucking survive in Niji despite being a more lax corpo, I can't imagine her butting heads with the jap managers there in Hololive, she isn't Myth who can put her weight around there, I mean seriously? 3 fucking months and she got booted out

>>44230347
So you want her to have another graduation speedrun just like Sana for not scratching her chink game itch?

>>44236124
Got a link for the clamp stream? Sounds hilarious.

So uh, is she gonna get a sticky like Pikamee? I don't remember Yugo getting one and this girl is even more of a literal who

>>44233217
Probably because she'll be overrun with people asking about the Niji situation, and she would rather not bother trying to deal with that until the situation is resolved.

>>44236959
> a more lax corpo
Is it though? If they are beholden to the twitter SJWs they are in a worse position than hololive and not really more lax.

>>44236681
>as a rape victim I cant make rape jokes...

>>44237262
Probably not. She's just too literalwho and it's not official yet.

>>44237262
Maybe? No official statement for now only someone noticed that her streamlabs doesn't work.

>>44236959
Basically the only corpo she'd fit in is Phase, the true talent freedom company.

make r*pe joke = suspended, nijikek hated and cancelled her
also nijikek : i wish vox rape me

what is this behavior?

>>44232486
The first Niji poached by Vshoujo! Thoughts?

>>44235088
Hololive fans do not want NijiENs garbage nice try go into HLglobal and ask them and you'll promptly get told to fuck off

Do you think at this point it's guaranteed that she's graduating?
I mean there's just too much evidence leaning towards that outcome now, right?

>>44237262
Why would literal whos get a sticky? Anyone in this thread pretending that they watched her clearly never did. That said welcome to the family Zaion! Nobody will remember you just like anyone on this list

>>44237385
she'd be fine in IdolEN and Holo has enough benefits to make up for the limitations

>>44237405
There's no way it was the emu, the shota, or the rape joke. The only thing that makes any sense is all the privated shit.

>>44237405
Why does everyone ignore the victim blaming. That's a landmine on its own.

>>44237529
Lulu my beloved...

>>44233265
You gotta look at how they’ve been wording things
The problem isn’t lying it’s being vague which is more of a lying by omission
Yugo: “behavior” what behavior? It being so vague really hurt the fans
AR Live: “hmm Covid and other factors” vague again Covid is always part of a reason nowadays so saying Covid and etc is like saying “complications” it doesn’t mean anything
What we did know is how she was in the little time she was around is that she didn’t feel like a corpo
This is something that most NijiEN fans were not suprised by and I doubt this will be a bad thing for her
She’ll be better off as a corpo again because Niji wasn’t helping her and they obviously don’t like her

>>44232148
holojews got offended

>>44237506
It was obvious when her incredibly vague suspension went on for as long as it did, coupled with the commonsense that management would want her to basically neuter herself upon returning.

>>44237477
Ask Nintendo fans if they want Zelda on Playstation you faggot.

I wanna join her discord... Her rm discord I mean.

>>44232148
If she can't fit into Niji, how could she fit into a more restrictive company?

>>44237529
NotLulu is doing fine.

>>44237798
>Gag her and just use her as filler for team games when there's no more interested available talents to collab.

>>44235519
retarded tourist if you watched her streams in the first place you would know that

HURRY UP AND GET IT OVER WITH ALREADY

THE QUICKER IT'S DONE, THE QUICKER I CAN WATCH ZAION AGAIN
I MISS HER

>>44237946
She is not Zaion anymore...

>>44236267
How can you all be so retarded to think this suspension is about a rape joke and not about her not listening to them to adapt to the corpo life? she straight up mentioned roms on stream and where to download, she openly talked about PL for fucks sake, how can you all be so retarded to not understand this. this is obviously the motive for why she was suspended, because she was doing this shit and didnt listen

>>44237798
it's restrictive in different ways. Far fewer sisters to get offend at her jokes well after the fact. Nobody was going to get mad at a chubba saying "retard" in hololive either (except maybe the tempus sisters but luckily they are a minority).

>>44230290
>Suspend her over nothing
>Let the twitter hate mob (and other livers) bully her for weeks
>Don't let her defend herself or earn any money
>Force her to graduate after 3 weeks
What the actual fuck is wrong with NijiEN?
They genuinely seem pure evil

>>44237529
I love how this retard keep putting Taiwan and Taipei branches when NONE of those two were ever owned by anycolor, but third party companies with nijisnaji license, unlike NijiIN, ID, KR or EN

>>44236333
>privated vods on her archives
where?

>>44237529
>they had a literal cat as a vtuber model

>>44232098
>PL account stuff visible
Tourist, this isn't an issue or else Elira, Millie and Reimu would have been terminated.
>talking about emulation on FFXIV streams which is a big no-no in JP
Millie talked about Emulation even last night on Zelda when she was responding to someone in chat asking which ones she uses, same with Zaion.
>more privated streams in her first month with Niji than any other member's first month
This means nothing, stop spreading rrats you read /here/ and from retarded holobronies.

>>44237946
it's a damn shame this design is going to go to waste

>>44234966
>It's not much she should just do it like Yugo and release a torrent a month later including the privated ones.
What the fuck, Yugo did that?

>>44237946
She looks so darn good...

What the fuck is Paul Li doing?
Most of his branch are now 3 views and he's still trying to cater to twitter trannies

>>44236333
Is there a spreadsheet with her full vod and appearance list?

I wonder if anyone, with the exception of the most optimistic of people, thinks she's actually coming back at this point.

>>44238012
You really think Zaion is the ONLY one in NijiEN who can't listen to management?
No, there is some shady stuff happening.

>>44237599
>She’ll be better off as a corpo again because Niji wasn’t helping her and they obviously don’t like her
They literally say they were talking to her about her not obeying to rules and she wasnt listening to it.
>>44238055
IT. HAS. NOTING. TO. DO WITH RAPE JOKE
holy shit, how you can be so much retarded
>>44237653
That statement was anything but vague. Anyone who watched her knows she mentioned roms before and did many things that clearly show how she dont give a fuck about rules in a corpo
maybe if you werent a brainless retard, you would understand why a suspension happened in the first place, instead of focusing in fucking muh SJW shit over a rape joke that obviously isnt even 10% of the reason of this, instead being insubordination

I don't believe for even a second that she's getting shitcanned because she 'won't stop talking about roms or pl stuff'. That's a silly hill to die on.
It's got to be something else.

>>44237144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj_RBc71jKQ

>>44237946
Holy shit that left hand, otherwise it's a really nice artwork, but the artists really needs to work on his hands.

>>44238012
Maria still has a VOD up where her PL account is visible in a friends list for like half an hour. Nobody gives a shit.

>>44238300
>won't stop talking about roms
Japanese companies take piracy really fuckin seriously
Nippleman from the JP branch got suspended over it

>>44238282
Yeah, there's some shady stuff going on, yeah. A company is going to suspend someone, lose money and one of their most recent members because of your retarded theory, makes total sense. Its very rare for suspensions to happen in Nijisanji in the first place, but no, just because you cant accept things that were clear even for viewers who noticed how many rules she was breaking on her streams, doesn't mean it didn't happen. No one else, not even her genmates, did those kind of things she did.

>>44230290
Wait what? Why?

>>44238300
you want a more frank answer? She doesn't want to belong in any clique inside the Niji circle. She prioritized collabing with her friends from /lig/ instead of her seniors. Someone's probably seething at her behind the scenes, either inside the management team or one of the talents. Kyo's behaviour towards her should tell you that she's probably not well liked inside the """""niji EN family"""""

>>44238300
Its not because muh roms, retard. Read the fuckng statement, now pick the things from her streams with so many rule breakings. the statement talk about how she wasn't listening to management about shit, which is obviously because of the many instances she broke on stream, including openly talking about her PL. If someone who is under your company dont listen to you and dont want to change to accomodate being in a corpo, what do you do? think for a second, retards

>>44238354
Bless you bro.

>>44238410
Yes, I know. I can believe she got SUSPENDED for talking about roms, I don't believe she said to the managers "no I won't stop talking about roms".
That is retarded, nobody would care so much about talking about roms that they'd do that.

I think someone high up doesn't like her. Or the nijilivers, and Zaion is basically looking for a way out. There is no fucking shot you can convince me that she is leaving because she simply cannot bare to not talk about roms,

>>44238555
it's not about the roms, it's about not letting people tell her what to do

>>44238300
Read https://twitter.com/nijisanji_world/status/1623290561313783808
They mad as fuck yo. The only thing it was missing was an apology flogging stream.

>>44238542
Maria had multiple PL incidents. Nothing came of it.
Millie has talked about roms on stream as early as a few hours ago. Nothing came of it. Millie did her "fuck 4chan stream", nothing came of it.

>>44238555
>>44238395
That's completely different than openly talking about your PL in details, and thats just one of the many shit she did. It seems hard for you all to understand the problem is about not wanting to change for a corpo reality. dont matter how many counter examples you give, no one did it like her to the point that every viewer in /nijien/ when watching her wondered how she was so amateur about what can be said and what cant.
And its about ROMHACKS, not roms. but fuck, its not even the problem, but insistence on breaking rules and not learning to not do this shit.

>>44238555
The twitter mob basically poisoned the well for her to come back regardless of why she was suspended. If she came back she was going to be facing a flood of antis

>>44238634
>Millie has talked about roms on stream as early as a few hours ago
Unless she said something else later, the rom comment was someone in chat asking if she was emulating the Minish Cap, and she pointed out she was playing the GBA Switch version, then chat said that was an emulator itself and she just rolled with it.
Either way, it's still a legal version.

>>44238634
romhack you moron, romhack. read the fucking statement and connect the dots. its not one, its not two, its multiple instances and those are only public, not even about shit that happened behind the scenes and we dont know.

>>44238703
Read:
>>44238299
Stop talking about PL shit or 90% of Niji JP and a handful of Niji EN would be terminated.

>>44230290
NijiEN livers saw /vt/ praising Zaion, and then they decided they needed to destroy her to save their own reputations.

>>44230290
>Give her the best model your company's had in years
>Graduate her in 3 months
Anycolor...

im gonna go and watch her if she becomes indie. Hope her next design will be as good

>>44238744
So what's wrong with just leaving chat in subscriber mode and having staff-san keep yeeting dumb fucks for a couple weeks?

>>44231543
>3 am anons...
call them what they are

>>44237024
Oh. I forgot *that* already happened once.

>>44238703
You seem to be really heated about it and keep mentioning the fucking romhacks which she mentioned in her second stream which was over a month before the suspension. I guess that was the last time you watched her instead of the thread.
Get back to me when Enna's wigger fucktoy gets suspended for privating like 5 streams in December and January including his birthday and a stream where he read that one maro nobody in their right mind would.

>>44238812
Salome model mog this bitch

Does niji allow you to buy out your model? It would be a real shame to lose a model with an amazing rigging like Zaion had.

>>44238812
Why is the rigging for niji models always so janky?

>>44238812
She's so fucking perfect bros.
The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long though, unfortunately...

>>44238847
Because the mob is a big chunk of the NijiEN fanbase

>>44238300
Their official statement listed multiple reasons they suspended her.

>>44239013
Was covid one of them?

>>44238300
They openly said her suspension was for "insensitive jokes that cannot be tolerated"
Nijifags trying to make it about romhacks and piracy when nipplefag came back after porn piracy no problem
shit company with shit fans

>>44238972
Niji uses in-house riggers.

>>44238914
I keep mentioning romhacks because thats just one of the examples of her breaking many rules. the fucking point is about her not obeying rules, and the company make the rules. if you still dont understand, this is a company, and like any company, they have the decision.

>>44238914
You do realize you can check how many stream got privated from Vrabi instead of making it up, right?
https://vrabi.net/channel/UCsb-1aJgiJXJH2feV-zlZRw

>>44238979
You never watched her lmao

>>44239050
There was 3 main points, you are focusing on rape jokes because you want, moronic retard. rom hack and shit is just an example of her not adapting to corpo rules and seemingly not wanting to change, which is why they suspended her.

>>44238972
It's not. Niji rigging has been miles better than its 2017-2019 era. The thing is many of the models debuting were made during that time (Eden were some of the last 2019 era models) which is why a lot of NijiEN were already considered "2.0" models and why they're getting 3.0 brushups if selected. New outfits put them at 2.5 updates.

>>44239138
You do realize that streams don't appear as privated after they were edited and unprivated, right? Check how many privated streams Zaion has according to vrabi.

>>44239180
Post timestamps of AC staff stating them on the main chanel. Post Tweets of them stating this, WORD FOR WORD. You have proof to backup your bullshit, right?

>>44239013
>>44239050
>State multiple reasons
>Dance around it and remain vague enough so it just sounds like they're raging at an obviously unprepared kid who they approved of and gave the model to over a ton of other people
>Niji's repeatedly done far worse than haha that slag was asking for it
>Doesn't even say what the discrepancies are and like you can remember everything perfect after you've been shooting your mouth for 5 hours
>Expecting some dumb kid that got a big break to not try to ass cover and be intelligent enough to realize that they're crawling up her ass cause they have clips
>If it was literally anyone else I would have said that the not improving was just victim blaming and gaslighting
>Doesn't even say the false statements


>>44239258
Not him but here's the suspension statement . https://twitter.com/nijisanji_world/status/1623290561313783808?s=46&t=VNx8WtATeb-X1ZSPnFVmtQ

>>44234343
If you want to debate semantics, "graduation" is also a termination of contract. Now answer me, which looks better in a public statement >for Yugo<?

>>44238384
das AI art bruv

>>44239180
I am focusing on rape jokes because a million other nijis have done the rest, I pointed out nipplefag for a reason. cope more faggot

>>44239250
6 zaion streams?

>>44238384
AI screws up fingers often. You can usually fix it via in-painting.

>>44239472
Well then AI needs to work on his hands. You honestly can't expect me to know one of hundreds japanese artists calleed Ai.

>>44239491
Niji already does rape ASMR dude. You get a pass cause it's guy content.
You can go watch the source on the rape "joke". It was such a nothingburger that if we weren't already under a tsunami of bots and intentional "activists" just starting shit it might have been laughed at.

>>44239343
anon are you fuckng retaded or what? this has a lot more details than suspensions and termination do for a japanese company.

>>44239577
>>44239491
you focus on rape joke because you saw a bunch of tweets about it and dont think enough to know that this obviously isnt the main reason but insubordination instead.
>nipplefag
oh nice, if it wasnt already obvious you are a tourist who dont even watch nijisnji, its more obvious now

>>44239676
I know. I just want hard facts is all. I know it's unrealistic.

>>44239347
While I understand the burden of decorum is on Anykara, the circumstances surrounding Yugo’s “graduation” are the main reason my doubt flourish here in an equally nebulous case. As obvious as speculations can be, it’s the nomenclature which confounds me, as I’m almost certain Zaion’s “graduation” will be chalk-full of doublespeak.

>>44239758
did you get hard facts about vesper suspension? no right? the only thing you know is that he fought with management, thats it. not why, not what, not any reason. and yet you dont apply the same reason here, none of you holofags do

>>44239807
zaion's case is anything but nebulous. Yugo's case is mainly private, zaion has almost everything in public.

>>44239818
We didn't until his suspension was over and we got the chat from Vesper. Grandpa still didn't say why he popped off on the dude but we got at least a little closure by then.

>>44239879
I mean the reason behind her continual suspension, not the initial infraction.

>>44239343
>kid

Zaion's probably the oldest person in NijiEN, kek

But otherwise you're mostly right. She HAS done plenty of shit that would put her at risk in a corpo so the suspension wasn't even too surprising. The real questions lie in how AC dropped a whole bunch of reasons that either can't be explained (behind-the-scenes stuff) or is so vague it requires an explanation they didn't give (ie. what's considered false or insensitive). Hell, the one anon sperging about the rape joke focus has a point because that rrat was pushed by Twitter as one of those jokes despite the original VOD being untouched until after the statement and controversy started. Whatever jokes got her in trouble, that ain't it.

No one's owed an explanation sure, but the attempt to be more transparent in light of Yugo's situation requires an all-or-nothing approach. Even if someone THINKS they know what exactly got Zaion in trouble, if AC isn't entirely clear as to what caused it then all anyone can do is throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. It also doesn't help when NijiEN has a history of jokes that could be considered insensitive or statements made contrary to what management says (see Luxiem's response to the AR live cancellation).

tl;dr Zaion and AC are both stubborn as fuck, but one's a talent and the other is a company. t. Zaimon here, I'm probably done with NijiEN if she really is gone

>>44239807
It's not beyond them to literally vanish someone without an announcement though, Ara Chae is an example. Yet they did bother with putting out an statement for Yugo and Zaion to at least point things weren't working out due to disagreements in the direction of content and expected behavior.
In case you're out of the loop about Ara's case, she was rumored to be bullying other NijiKR livers, with implied support from KR staff which led to many of the KR graduations, she vanished from the company listed talents after the KR/ID were merged into the main branch.

>>44240053
Eh while it sucks she's still going to go back to streaming. You'll still enjoy whatever other niji en streamers you watched unless you already don't which that's fine then.

>>44240198
>Eh while it sucks she's still going to go back to streaming
It is never the fucking same. People need to stop this shit; it is never the fucking same when they move to a new persona post graduation. The magic is fucking gone, and I feel like the only people who say this shit never had an oshi who graduated.

>>44240101
hey, someone who isnt a nijien newfag who came from holo, and actually know things!

>>44239081

*houseniggers

>>44240101
to be clear, ara disappeared after KR management was fired and the merger happened. before, she had control over the entire management
NijiEN isnt the same as KR or ID, because its managed under anycolor in Japan (obviously not same as nijijp management), with only some staff being overseas.

>>44240326
Kek

>>44240306
>It is never the fucking same
You're right, it's going to be better because she's indie now.

>>44235290
As an ex Nijifan, god I fucking hope so.

>>44230856
Any proof if that, bootlicker?

>>44238148
Context is different, Zaion brought it up just a few days after FFXIV devs put addons on blast.