/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>44392446
So what's right for you then?

>>44392446
Tempiss happened
Tempiss mixed collab happened

GO MIKO GO!

>>44392446
>Soul gets 150k+
>Soulless gets <50k
>Surprised pikachu face

>>44392446
>Idols doing Idol things
>get views
>bunch of lazy no talents interacting with Gura
>get filtered

>>44392446
i am so proud of my miko.

>>44392446
Don't numberfag with my unity fennec

>not to numberfag, but...
>proceeds to numberfag

>be idol
>get view
wow, why not more people do this?

>>44392446
What's this trope called?

>>44392446
cute girl doing cute things is cute

>>44392600
That's exactly how I lost interest in HoloEN. 2 years ago I would be super excited about all of EN 3D events, but now I only watched one of them. I used to watch Hololive exclusively, but now they are just one of the many corpos to me.

>>44392925
West sucks.

>>44392446
Let's see the subscribers count of Gura and Miko
>
Oh no no no no... well shit, not to numberfag but...

>>44393120

>>44392446
In the case of the cunnyshart she brought it to herself
>A compilation of laziness and tommy hort that's been going for almost half a year, has probably done a total if not less than 10 streams including mengens ever since it happened.
>The JP side became her core audience, most of the western fanbase moved on to other chuubas or from vtubers effectively.
>Fanbase is far more shameless than the nousagis, will shit on fanbases whose chuubas are far more productive or put more effort into their image, bringing the next point:
>She holds no music production value contrary to the orange chicken and the wigger. Has only made some covers and one fucking orisong, no albums or anything. Just coomerbait merch or other dumb shit.
>Her 3D live barely had any singing for fucks sake. She literally just went and leeched two of the biggest JP chuubas of all hololive to be there WITHOUT SINGING WITH THEM JESUSCHRIST.

>>44393021
Pretty much. I used to believe Hololive was a special agency since it was supposed to be all-girls. Then holostars happened, but I tolerated it. I was really enthusiastic of holoEN since day 1, then starsEN happened. I'm no longer hyped for any future holo project anymore, except some of JP I guess.

Reminder to just use a Nijinig translator
>Holo vs Holo = Seething nijinig
>Jp vs En = Coping nijinig
>En vs Id = Dilating nijinig
Simple as

>>44393021
>>44393477
Same story here. I watched Gura's 3D VOD and that's it. Checked other corpos and indies after tempiss poisoned the well but this whole thing was like an axe to my(already waning) interest in vtubers as a whole

>>44393477
Hololive in JP has always been and always will be a Idol group. Problem with EN is that they don't understand what it is that makes hololive special and instead let their success go to their head. If you don't do Idol activities or carry yourself like a Idol, then your not going to last in the long haul.

>>44392600
SPBP

>>44392600
what will be the cope when a HoloJP that has collabbed with men before BTFO EN with her 3D live?
Wait, that just happened.

Nice to see Miko doing well.

>>44394085
Towa had more ccv than any EN concert with her latest 3d live

>>44392657
>Gura
>Talented
RUMAO CHUMKEK, you are just lucky Gura does not stream much and has a model that attracts some JP viewers

>>44392446
Tbh it’s more a sign that vtubing’s western audience has declined severely overall. Predictable since most normals who were watching vtubers during streams were doing so due to the pandemic and them not having anything else to do. Now that they can actually go outside and do stuff, catching a stream live is a low priority. CCV for EN streamers is now basically carried by their JP fans

>>44394381
Towa wasn't part of an effort to destroy the norms of the branch it's not the same.

>>44394517
>CCV for EN streamers is now basically carried by their JP fans
This. If you want numbers for an EN 3D event, get an exclusive stream slot at prime time JST.

>>44394435
Jokes on you, I don't even watch EN.

>>44393477
This. Hololive was special. Now, no longer.

>>44392446
>All of Myth, first 3D together, barely 50k
the result of not giving a shit. Sadly the only one that cares is Kiara and she's the least popular

>>44394610
Towa's early yab would break this board if it happened to an EN shitter

>>44392621

>>44394629
Who is the target audience for EN? Like, the market demographic.

Well maybe Cover should have dropped 3D at the peak of their popularity isntead of waiting THREE FUCKING YEARS TO COMMISSION A MODEL
There was no excuse for them not having 3D around the time of chibi 3D

>>44395082
Except the international travel ban

>>44392446
The EN one probably lost a few people for being on a channel nobody pays attention to. If it was in one of Myth's it might have done a bit better.

i love watching enfags suffer

>>44394435
Please understand, there are still a few retards that don't want to admit Gura popularity come from her being Cunny and little else. Her design is legit a child in a oversized hoodie.

So much cope when it's obvious that EN fans are not interested in idol shit and already left for more entertaining streamers. Also Myth 3D is a perfect case of a little too late. Same goes for Council, doubt any of them will even break 50k.

>>44394629
>>44395042
I'm waiting numberfag

>>44393402
>Her 3D live barely had any singing for fucks sake. She literally just went and leeched two of the biggest JP chuubas of all hololive to be there WITHOUT SINGING WITH THEM JESUSCHRIST.
ESL or illiterate? It was a 3D showcase. Also why are you getting assblasted from what Gura does lol

>>44392446
It is right, anon. The JPs have been consistently outperforming the ENs for a while now. Don't act surprised now.

>>44393402
The real mistake was not telling anyone they'd be there. People who'd tune in for them didn't, and EOP fans who got filtered by Japanese left. Worst of both worlds.

>>44394085
Not just once, but has happen several times. These retards don't fucking get its not the male collabs (as few as they are that happened)

The truth is the JP girls fans are 90% in one time zone and Japan are simply more into VTubers than else where.

In the case of EN, there fans are all across the world, and time matters a lot.

There is also the fact that the 3D Myth collab was on a channel I forgot about until yesterday, while Miko's BDay was on Mikos Channel.

>>44394610
"destroy the norms of the branch"
No in EN is doing such a thing and what Towa did unironically is worse than any yab out of EN.

>>44395542
Cogent post. Someone this somber minded clearly doesn't belong on /vt/ though.

>>44395620
>No in EN is doing such a thing and what Towa did unironically is worse than any yab out of EN.
When half the branch defects to doing male collabs it absolutely destroys the norm and it's not the same as a small fraction doing them.

>>44392600
Pretty much, you only see a few rare collab here and there in HoloJP but in EN their beggars are really vocal, not to mention the corpo keep shilling their homo all the time. Many people have moved on it seems.

Take Baelz, Kiara, Ina to JP branch, fire the rest.

>>44395709 (me)
Sober minded. Although I guess it's somber too. Timezones are a pain in the ass, and I wish vtubing took off a bit more in NA

>>44395806
Nah, the rat is a homo collaber. We don't want her

>>44395042
There isn't one. Not that they're aren't fans and viewers at this point, but there's no underpinning demographic they all appeal to.
Together, they all roughly exist within the 18-35 single male demographic +/- a rounding error's worth of lesbian fans.
People who watch the ASMR vegan are not the same people who watch meme shark. Real genuine deadbeats are not watching le autism owl. Takos don't even watch Ina, they put her on in the background while actively doing something else. KFP are more likely to watch another corpo or indie than to watch other ENs. And so on and so on, for most groupings.

>>44395860
Delete stars as a whole.
Imagine how much more could be done if they weren't wasting money on them.

>>44395932
Stars is probably profitable.

>>44395926
That is incorrect. The target audience and demographic that hololive EN is for is North America.

>>44395932
>>44395969
I doubt Stars is that profitable anymore really. The homos took half their audience.

>>44392446
Many from JPs audience still watches the chuubas while the western audience mostly just moved on with their lives.

>>44395860
I think the rat and irys would do better with more jp senpai interaction and less en.
There is potential in them, they're just bogged down by en.
Hell, that goes for ina and kiara as well. They do great in jp collabs.

>>44395860
>homo collaber
you might as well fire the actual idol on hololive then, retard.

>>44395042
Like that other anon >>44395926
said, there isn’t one. There’s a reason the EN meta has gone to streaming like Twitch, but with anime avatars. You have to cater to the internet culture of a new market when you expand internationally, mostly because the internet is how media spreads these days. EN doesn’t have that many weebs, but it does have a developed streaming culture. So EN vtubing’s audience is basically anybody who watches streams who isn’t filtered by the anime avatar.
That’s one of the issues facing HoloEN. The only real unityfag selling point went away when they introduced males because everybody who isn’t a full-on homobeggar treats the males as sort of a side branch, and trying to include them as part of “HoloPro” unity just makes the old audience unenthusiastic.

>>44396385
You are incorrect, the target audience and demographic for Hololive EN is North America

>>44396441
that's way too broad.

>>44396514
North America is too broad? That's the western market retard. That's what Hololive EN and Holostars EN are trying to get a slice of. That's the target. And it also shows why all the 3ds were done at that time, it maximizes the amount of North Americans that can watch, since it is 7pm pacific 10pm eastern.

>>44392446
holoJP stayed true to what makes vtubing good. holoEN didn't. the gap is just gonna get bigger. who knew that shitting on your audience and taking your position for granted would come back to bite you in the ass. real shocker.

>>44396637
yes. I am a burger but you are frankly being absurd. That's just not how demographic analysis works. If they are that imprecise it's no mystery that they are lagging.

>>44396792
I'm NTA, but I think North America means the US and Canada in this context. That's not top broad.

>>44396792
Hololive EN is made for North America, get over it and accept it.

>>44396738
>what makes vtubing good
what makes vtubing good, anon? if your answer is not collabing with males, kill yourself

>>44396385
>There’s a reason the EN meta has gone to streaming like Twitch
En was a mistake. Western women are not entertaining.

>>44396861
i know he means that but, yes, that is too imprecise to be a target demographic. You break things down according to age, income, sex, etc. That is too broad a target especially when you already have a huge male demo it basically guarantees failure.

>>44396893
very unbiased i see.

>>44397158
>>44396893

>>44396385
It doesn't really seem like that's an effective meta

>>44396876
Ah yes, german, korean and aussie walk into NA bar.

>>44396893
don't ask if you don't actually care to know. you're just being inflammatory and combative for literally no reason.

>>44397027
I suppose that's true. They've done a pretty good job appealing to certain subsets of the NA market, so they probably aren't so broad as that.

>>44392446
I don't watch anything with Mori or Amelia in it anymore.
HoloEN fans used to be much more united than today but thanks to those bitches in heat collabing with males I don't wanna see anyone from EN but Ina and Gura

>>44397381
When are the corporate events for EN held at? Oh that's right North American prime times. Bury your head in the sand if you want numberfag but this is the truth

>>44392446
The pink whore didn't scratch 140k, 53piss.

>>44395371
>3D showcase
>most of the footage was from Kanauru
So much for a "showcase"

>>44392446
I see a lot of mental gymnastics to explain something everyone knows, most if not all of the reasons listed on this thread are justification for the lost of interest or commitment from the western fans, holostars EN scared away the unironic unicorn schizos, lack of streams took away the magic, lack of group collabs and some statements broke the illusion of friendship, the 3D models are nothing new that we haven't seen before so there is no interest or incentive to watch it live, the all follow the same formula or sketchs and music performance then become an infomercial even if one of them due to its them had the chance of incorporating it differently (Gura's TV didn't make and ad for their merch). Finally Holo EN is in decline following the end of Covid restrictions, you don't need to stay and watch hololive and there is a myriad of other options of streamers that actually stream. You can deny it all you want but the numbers are hardly coming back, people are simply moving on into other more entertaining streamers out there, they are working at that timeslot and watching the vod later since they are not a priority anymore or they are doing whatever.
Just appreciate the hardcore audience that bothers to watch your streams 50k is not a bad number, but don't expect people to keep filling a room if they are not interested anymore or have better things to do. Anything else is just cope.

>>44392446
Don't use my oshi to numberfag

>>44397381
Ina and Kronii both live in Canada. No one in EN lives in Korea.

>>44392446
Oh wow, the main JP branch with 3 times as many members is more popular? Who could have guessed

>>44398384
Retardchama…

>>44397390
i'm honestly curious. what makes vtubing good?
you can ignore the spoiler, but i don't care for that particular answer. i'm sure there are other things that makes a vtuber, good apart from it. so please enlighten me.

>>44399419
I mean, if you want to go beyond the obvious answers, it's not an easy question.

The thing is, this board doesn't even watch JPs, they just pit two imaginary factions against each other as if any of it fucking matters

>>44397705
>the all follow the same formula or sketchs and music performance then become an infomercial even if one of them due to its them had the chance of incorporating it differently (Gura's TV didn't make and ad for their merch)
nigga are you having a stroke

Mori and Kiara are big debuffs, a lot of people won't watch anything with them even if their oshii is in said collab.

>>44394610
Towa's 1st year would've made this board unusable if it existed back then.

>>44399964
I don't think this is true any longer. Tourists for EN have long since fucked off so outside of fans that are only clipwatchers EN is likely pretty unity now.

>>44399766
Gura whole 3D showcase was following a theme of her watching TV with fake ads in the middle of each segment, instead of incorporating the shilling of the actual product into the theme of the showcase they put the same picture of the product like everyone else, they are following a tired formula instead of incorporating it in a creative way. If I had to watch an ad at least make it interesting.

>>44392600
Totally not because all of ENTUBER literally reclining this past year, and JP is still going strong for whatever fucking reason.
Tempiss collab happened = reclining is the most cope thing ever, yeah dozen of you faggot probably stop watching. Am i on a fucking psych ward here?

Japanese kids bought in vtuber culture, Western kids fucked off to watch retarded twitch drama babysitters or whatever after 2020/21. The core is small, there are way more clipwatchers, art followers and /u/ artfags who don't watch streams.

Vtubing had the window of 2020 and Myth's timing was spot on to capitalize but it had no real legs.

>>44400344
I'm unity in the fact that I'm not going to go out of my way to shit on Mori and her choices but if you bring it to my table I will say what I think and feel. I know how to keep my mouth closed.

>>44401240
>Myth's timing was spot on to capitalize but it had no real legs.
Books should be written on how Cover, talent managers, Myth's talents, and Councilrys' talents took a market leading position and burned through almost all of it.
It's like a classic comedy of errors and missed opportunities.

>>44399419
for me it's about CGDCT and audience interaction. holoJP have always been great at these things and continue to be, while holoEN are more like regular embittered fleshtubers these days that more or less openly show disdain for their audience. i think ame, ina and mori being deliberately antagonistic towards their viewers have massively backfired and made their viewers unironically lose trust in them. an immersion-break you can't come back from, if you will. then we have people like mumei who is completely disconnected and might as well be streaming to 0 viewers and it'd make no difference. i dunno, i just don't get the "vtuber vibe" (hard to quantify) from holoEN anymore. even western indies are better at it, like nina and shondo.

>>44395082
Cover should have done a lot of things. They squandered a lot. There's STILL no sign of EN3. Would EN3 even make a difference anymore?

>>44401590
>>44401931
In your opinions, what were some of them?

Are all those posts made by south east asians trying to one up the west to feel good or something?
Or is it anons thinking if they go hard enough on 4chin they can get japanese citizenship and marry a cute jap wife?!

>>44392620
Soulless is when not Japanese

>>44392446
EN fags coping about why their flops are reclining KEK

>>44392600
I remember when EN surpassed JP and was the driving force behind Hololive for a decent while. The viewerships seems to have just switched back extremely.
I guess JP audiences got tired of management trying to force unity with the stars branch?

>>44401931
>I can't wait to collab with my senpai from Myth, Council and temp-
Personally I have already preemptively dropped them all because I am pretty sure this will happen

>>44402129
If all that you care about when it comes to a vtuber is there numbers it's a good guess you don't watch either branch

>>44402362
When did everyone become a reverse hipster anyway?

>>44399964
Except that Gura alone didn’t get that many viewers either. Cope.

>>44397695
>most
6 minutes in total as an alternative for loading screens
get a better complaint

>>44402362
>Laughing at anons making excuses means you don't watch vtubers

>>44402703
Yes

>>44399419
Lack of drama and friendly atmosphere are important thing, both things that are pretty much an antithesis of what western streaming is about

>>44402035
>In your opinions, what were some of them?
Hiring western women.

pikamee graduation will be under 10k

>>44392446
>vtubing never stopped being a fad in Japan
>covid ended and everyone went back outside
>males got forced into EN and ruined everything
Take your pick, there are even more possibilities than these.

>>44402886
You will never be Japanese

>>44402945
Look at any metric, western women are entitled trash.

>>44403010
Nigger just admit you have yellow fever

>>44403101
Admit western women are shit entertainers.

>>44401836
I dont know if you can define V-tubing by itself, since it is basically streaming.The main aspect for vtubers imo is the skill to role play a character. And people like Kronii that are jealous of their own model boobs,or Enna constantly talking about men to date are bad vtubers(and after they treat you like freak, you should buy the dakimakura or valentine day voice pack....pfff fuck you).
I agree that treating people like just paypigs is at least the reason why I abandoned HoloEN, the people that left never got replaced, since the lack of streams, some people perhaps know that EN Vtubers exist watching other streamers of different corpos/indies.

>>44402100
this but unironically in this case. they're anime girls and the jp branch sets up standards. if the western bitches can't stand up to them they're worthless.

Chumbuds shitting on homos to deflect from their oshi being trash will never get old

>>44392600
>Tempus mention out of nowhere

>>44403516
Are half the anons in this thread just salty /jp/ posters ?

>>44395098
>give credit card to Ame
>"go buy some Vive trackers"
>???
>profit

really, it wasn't harder than that

whoa happy birthday

>>44403665
More like 10% if not less. /jp/s stay in /jp/, the last bastion of /jp/ is in NijiJP threads.
This board is literally a HoloEN refuge board after /jp/ was fed up with an immense wave of tourists The threads were full of doxxing too.
/vt/ didn't even receive a public announcement.

>>44401836
There difference is pretty much culture. In Japan being cute is considered good, girls there try to behave cute, dress cute and are kind of conservative in some regards (motherhood, relationships, etc) which makes them more feminine. You don't really hear japanese girls saying they don't want to be mothers because they want to "enjoy their life" which actually means whoring around until they become pure blooded roasties (even the ones who think like that won't say because in japan being an open whore is not exactly accepted by their society). Anime (and anime-adyacent stuff) in japan is considered cute and fun and it's not hard to find girls who really enjoy those things to some degree. Introvertion and shyness is also common which leads to a lot of people to develop interests in things other than the things westerners love (degeneracy).
Then you have western women, who in their search for equality ended up becoming dickless males who are always so proud of their body count and believe being strong is equivalent to be an immoral unlikeable person. Being cute is weakness and is dumb, being a whore is power. Being feminine is weakness, being a dickless male is power, dressing cute is disgusting, dressing like a whore is power. They are barely introverted and since they are culturally pushed to become whores it's what they do. As for streamers western ones believe being rude and ungrateful is enpowering while their japanese counter parts just behave decently towards their fans. I have yet to see a japanese vtuber ranting against a viewer, and I have to say that jp chatters tend to behave better too.
What being an idol means is weakness and slavery to western women and that's why western vtubers will never be idols (outside of very, VERY, special cases). Japanese girls tihnk the commitment is something to be proud of and they try to do it the best they can (see girls like kanata, marine or miko from hololive)

>>44392446
Theres nothing wrong about it. Thats the level of entertainment HoloJP is aiming for. A lot of anons are saying western vtubing scene is dying but thats not true as the market is still there and growing. The problem is western streamers, as a whole, need to break out of the Twitch mindset or their maximum can only ever be Valkyrae tier. This is nothing in comparison to what the JP market is like where anime/manga shit is everyday life.

But that doesnt matter because holoEN talents are just too damn lazy, hateful and unambitious to take advantage or expand. Only Kiara, Bae and Irys still show some ambition but not enough. Mori is too stuck in her own world and the rest want to sleep.

And if you dont believe me: when was the last time you waited in line at a cafe to get the latest collab merch and drinks of your favourite HoloEN member? Are the limited edition hololive merch at your national convenience store sold out? None of these are happening here while its every month for HoloJP.

TL/DR: HoloJP strives to for hello kitty level marketability while HoloEN thinks twitch numbers are the top. Until that changes, they will always be "smaller".

>>44404182

>>44405122
>when was the last time you waited in line at a cafe to get the latest collab merch and drinks of your favourite HoloEN member? Are the limited edition hololive merch at your national convenience store sold out? None of these are happening here while its every month for HoloJP.
To be honest just due to logistic there's no way to get merch locally like holo jp can. JP's market is concentrated and better, generally speaking.
Let's say Kiara gets to collab to a austrian coffee shop, what's gonna happen with her US fans? It's just impossible to achieve the cohesion due to how spread their fanbase is.
Also anime is not common in the west. You aren't gonna get starbucks collabing with a vtuber. Maybe (big maybe) the shark can pull it off but as you said, they just want to be lazy and have zero ambition.

>>44392600
same
they told us if we dont like it then we can leave so we did and now they have no viewers kek

>>44396385
I don't know how anyone can imagine that the Twitch streaming meta is the future. Right now there're just three English-speaking vtubers above 4k viewers peaking at 6.4k, two are Shylily and Veibae who are pretty representative of the top of Twitch vtubers, and one is a Genshin spammer dude who didn't start out as a vtuber. There're no holos or nijis or even popular JP vtubers to pull their numbers away on the platform. Where is the consistent 30K vtuber pulling the Twitch audience who 'isn't filtered by the anime avatar'?

Obvious not a holoen thing, more like holo in general has declined in the west. for me personally it was a lack of permissions and lack of stream content
I don't really care about the idol shit, I just liked girls playing fun games

when permission massacre happened I just stopped watching most shit and just stuck to clips. guessing a big part of the normalfag group is like me, zatsu/idol shit doesn't work for us and we wanted them to be more like regular youtube/twich streamers minus the drama.

>>44394610
>an effort to destroy the norms of the branch
anon im begging you to see sunlight...
the grass is calling for you..,

>>44405677
Logistics is not the problem you think it is, anon. The benefit of being an "EN" vtuber is you are marketable to the global EN audience. merch deals are not processed in a single factory or bubble. Logistics lines are vast and varied meaning a vast and varied array of merchandise. McDonalds doesnt just make one type of happy meal toy. Think bigger and, unlike JP, outside the box.

The weeb market is growing a lot so fan cohesion will become less of a problem. You dont have to believe me but theres not a single finacial report out there right now that say anime/manga is shrinking. Even so, HoloJP did not become everpresent by doing nothing. Years of effort was made to get to that point and EN needs to do that as well. Thats where Connor is wrong, btw. So before being in Starbucks, they need to dominate their niche market until they spill over.

Unfortuantely EN is just too lazy, sorry "comfy", to put in that effort

>>44407053
>Think bigger and, unlike JP, outside the box.
But then again that's a big problem. Cover will never do this. Japanese are stupid traditional to their process and don't learn anything from the outside. That's why their software development is shit and outdated. Japan needs at least 15 years to learn the things the west has got right today because they will never listen nor try to learn (even if they wanted to they can't communicate since they don't speak english).
When hololive stock shit was announced one of the points were that Cover wanted money to help merch and products reach other parts of the world cheaper (possibly by having them being made in different continents that where at worst you will have to still order them but it will be cheaper than ordering from japan) but I don't really have any hopes on that. I think hololive will go bankrupt before any of that development happens (and I don't think Hololive will go bankrupt at all).

>>44402100
Yes

>>44402692
Everytime I watch their most recent collabs, it's just shark hiding in the back. It's almost like she doesn't want the fame and attention

>>44407476 (me)
And I completely agree holoEN haven't done shit to get anything at all. They got their golden ticket to just lazy around until everything ends. The contrast with holoJP is insane.
Ones want to become their very best and the others just, exists and don't care. And the worst thing is that people enables that laziness. They think only because they make money it's ok to have zero ambition, which is mediocre as fuck.

>>44407699
And thats why HoloEN will die once Myth grads unless they get great talents that can right the whole ship

>>44407699
idk if thats entirely true, at the begging the girls talked at length about how management always shot down their project proposals and i particularly remember ame saying she paid herself for all her more elaborate streams, so maybe they WERE enthusiastic about growing the EN branch but got chafted by backwards nip bureaucracy
i hope after their stay in japan is truly over they regain their enthusiasm (except gura we all know shes checked out and collecting the paychecks from the chumkeks lmao)

>>44406376
>wanting the group to drop the one thing that separates them from the rest
NGMI

>>44406186
2 of them did and if you are legit triggered by a female acknowledging a male existence you are weak willed

>>44392600
Insane cope.

>>44395860
>WE

>>44408179
>unless they get great talents that can right the whole ship
Where? Maybe if the find japanese girls who are fluent in english but otherwise it's not gonna happen. Anime is cringe for western girls and they also don't want to idols because that's cringe. Everything is cringe and they're otakus but only ironically of course.
>>44408303
They always have an excuse to not do anything. tummy hort, management, depression, etc. The only think they don't have an excuse for is to get money from their fans. For that there's never an excuse outside of the game not allowing SCs. Holo JP also has management blocking their stuff yet they still produce good shit. Management is not an impediment for saying "I'm fucking gonna learn japanese, bond with my senpais, go over to japan, stay for 2 months and do a lot of shit with them. I'm gonna do sketches, sing, dance, etc. I'm gonna be an idol". There's also no excuse for not doing events like minecraft tournaments, special programs like holobabies, etc.
They always cry about the shit they can't do but never do anything of things they can. You know why? Because they don't care. As simple as that. They only care about finding new excuses to not do shit.
They are in japan only because cover called them over, up until now I think only kiara went out of her own will. Pekora even jumped off a fucking bridge and called an hypnotist to do weird shit. Management might be a pain in the ass but the main problem are the girls.
The problem is both ethical and cultural: "idols are terrible because muh idol culture bad and I since I get money even by not doing anything I will just do nothing forever and that's it".

>>44409959
>They always cry about the shit they can't do but never do anything of things they can. You know why? Because they don't care. As simple as that. They only care about finding new excuses to not do shit.

Time has proven this right

Threads like this always remind how much of a hub for the mentally ill /vt/ is.

>>44401836
>CGDCT
Watch anime, retard.

>>44392446
>Miko bday 150k+
actually peaked at 139k. but nice try

>>44394629
JP hololive fans were the secret to high CCV numbers during the first months of Myth. Gura could get 90k during game streams in 2020. The holoEN ceiling is getting lower partly because JP viewers have gradually lost interest in the EN branch.

lots of excuses flying around about EN performance, but lemme tell you this:

Miko rarely takes more than 2 days off

There's no magic or natural born talent involved, just genuine intention to get better results

picture related, ethan guard against reality check

>>44409959
Your writing is all over the place but I couldn't agree more. HoloJP members might be just some weird girls to someone but I genuinely admire them, I know for a fact I don't have the willpower, diligence and strength to pull off even a fraction of shit they do. The ones who get numbers like Pekora, Miko, Marine, Subaru all deserve it 100%, at this point it feels like they literally spend all their waking time streaming, thinking of new stuff to do, working on their projects, rehearsing, practicing etc. But even the mid tier and underdogs put in immense effort. My kamioshi is Lamy, she hated her voice and still refuses to do karaoke streams but her progress in singing and dancing is amazing. She made her 2nd anniversary a solo live just to demonstrate her progress despite still not being the best of the best and Lamy herself being a big perfectionist. That's a move that takes a lot of guts. Another example is Choco, I can't believe how much she changed from Holofes 1 to her current lives. In Holofes 1 she barely moved and her singing was... well, you know. And she still caught up to other girls.
Compared to this most of the EN are just... I don't know, some regular girls from your college group that slack off a lot. Personally I can't believe a person working at the company known for their annual event featuring a lot of singing and dancing can stay THIS bad at live singing for TWO FUCKING YEARS, for example. EN still do stuff, for sure, but they whine about it non stop. They are exhausted from learning the simplest choreography, they hype up the most basic stuff that's even a bit outside of their usual streaming pool for months, they are really slow in learning Japanese even though they supposedly have watched anime since before Hololive, etc etc. It would be fine if they slowly improved while understanding their limitations and thinking of how to overcome them, but for some reason they make it out to seem like they're super overworked and they are doing the hardest job in the world, even though JPs have a lot more stuff going on.
The only somewhat of exceptions I can think of are Kiara, Bae and Ina. Don't really get people lumping Ina together with the likes of Gura, Ina's progress in singing has been insane. Also people tend to forget that she was a Holo fan back when most shitters on this board haven't learned their first Japanese word yet, so by definition she cares about Holo and her senpais and does what she can to catch up. She has a long way to go but looking at her 3D showcase you can at least tell she practiced pretty hard.

>>44408852
And yet, it is you who copes.

>>44392600
This is why I stopped watching EN.

>>44414484
>>44409959
I agree with both posts. And I also think that the laziness also applies to management - to this day, its unconceivable to me how it took so fucking long for EN1 to get 3D, even after le coof ended.

>>44392446
It's surprising how much can Miko do by herself.
While Myth as a group did less than half of her.

>>44409959
>somehow Myth flop because of blue woman?
>Because she has 4M?
I am going to ask some of (you)s, just give me honest answers.
the rise and fall of Myth depend on blue woman ?

>>44409959
Exactly my thoughts. I thought I had a great source of entertainment in HoloEN, and then even the streams stopped.

We need to come up with tech to automatically create high quality subtitles for jp streams in real time.

>>44407476
>Cover wanted money to help merch and products reach other parts of the world cheaper (possibly by having them being made in different continents that where at worst you will have to still order them but it will be cheaper than ordering from japan) but I don't really have any hopes on that.

Retard chama they HAVE managed this for certain products. NA and EU can now buy some products from region specific stores. I bought some last Christmas at local delivery shipping rates.

>>44392446
Tempus 3D will get 200k easily

>>44401836
this is just not collabing with males worded differently. so you faggots can't really figure out what makes vtubing good, huh? you just have your own interpretation of it that suits your incels needs. kill yourself

>>44415251
How am I coping? I'm not the one making up bullshit reasons for why the ENTIRETY of EN viewership, not only Holo but Nijifags, AND Vshojo fags are down.

>>44424867
It's funny how every discussion related to EN in any sort of compacity relates back to Tempus due to how mindbroken they made /vt/

vtubing went through a hype cycle. normalfags are so retarded that they need to be socialized into thinking somethings normal/"not for virgins" and after a strong initial showing vtubing became unanimously viewed as cringe. with that stigma you're not going to get anywhere in EN. the only solution is grinding out years without crippling yabs until normalfags start coming back in, at which point it'll snowball

>>44425384
the problem of course is that every single indie and corpo is incentivized to do dogshit coomerincel bait for fast money even though it drags the reputation of the industry and their own future earnings down. and for the record I like coomerbait but americans are puritan prudes and it drives away normalfags if you're after mainstream adoption

>>44425100
>you just have your own interpretation
yes, that's what having a subjective opinion is. how deep into the autism spectrum are you? lmao

>>44392620
miko's 3D live was completely soulless.

>>44402100
Great argument. You don't sound bitter at all. It must be a ton of fun watching and keeping up with the ENs. All the EN fans on this board seem thrilled to be doing it. Keep on doing it genius.

>>44420660
Its 50/50. 50% of it is her fault as the branch ace. She has the most eyes on her and her actions reflect on the entire group. Her being lazy and unmotivated makes it seem that HoloEN in general is lazy and unmotivated. Doesn't help that EN2's initial star in Kronii is basically the same.

The other 50% is on the other ENs for not picking up the mantle when Gura clearly didn't want it. Bless Kiara for trying but she just doesn't have that "it" factor to carry the branch. Mori could've done it, but has made too many career missteps.
Someone from council could've done it, but the person who cares the most (Bae) is just another Kiara, a hardworker who just doesn't have "it." Kronii and Sana were both unmotivated and lazy fucks so that didn't do any favors for the image of the branch. Mumei was too busy with college, and was creatively stifled early on. Fauna is probably the current brightest star in Council, but started off too slow to be a true megastar. That could still change, but I kinda doubt it.

What EN needs is someone who has superstar talent and charisma, but also has the drive to consistently stream. JP has multiple of these in Pekora, Marine, Aqua, Subaru, Miko, Suisei. It's made it so that even if some of the superstars are burnt out/sick/on leave (Marine, Aqua, Suisei) the rest can still pick up the slack and carry the branch.

>>44420660
Gura is the flagship for Myth but the EN vtuber numbers have been going down for a variety of reasons. If their was a graduation it would greatly weaken Myth but mostly because fans would lose faith in Cover since it would indicate that disagreements with management can't be resolved. That over time more holoEN talents will gradually burn out and decide to quit.

>>44392446
Pippa stream was on at the time

Here's the reality of the situation everyone.
Hololive EN channel is dead, this should have been on the main hololive production channel

>>44392600
>"Leave if you don't like it"
So I did.
Now I watch smaller indies almost exclusively and it was the best decision I ever made.

>>44392600
Reminder that ENs decline was happening steadily since late 2021, with some temp ups.
Tempiss didn't help, but it mostly hit the gachi superchats.
Audience continued to decline at the same time due to lack of streams, lack of interesting projects and frustrations with management.

>>44404182
Yep, the HoloEN was carried hard by Gura's design and the girl behind it actually was fitting enough as her voice was cute and shy enough but the rest was mixed bag. You can actually see Gura is still popular in Japan.

I think even Irys seems more popular and people generally like her despite having a major debuff from her original character design. Despite the atrocious design of her character, her personality was good enough and pleasant, people stuck around with her. Also this is why I avoid watching vshojo. When I heard the news of new western vtuber company, I expected a lot of drama and sure enough, a lot of drama happened over nothing.

>>44429846
The problem with Kiara is that she fucking debuffs herself with lame JRPGs and EU streaming hours
>t. casual kfpnigger

>>44396251
>Hell, that goes for ina [and Kiara] as well. They do great in jp collabs.
>you now remember how in the early days we had TakaxMori, Amex Same and InaxGen5Harem
Those jp interactions were pretty fan, too bad they've been dropped

>>44394610
Destroy the norms? What norms?

>>44404182
>you don’t really hear Japanese women say they don’t want to be mothers because they want to enjoy their life
?

>>44392600
This, I stopped watching EN because of whores.

>>44392600
*EN2

>>44392446
>not to numberfag
>numberfags
Kill yourself now

>>44392600
yeah