/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Miko should be moved up. We know from Miko no Tsutome that she has magical abilities.

https://youtu.be/XY6uIGC_m2o

I want Hololive Arena

>>4492910
*Delete the timelines

>>4492910

Iofi - move to shapeshift and mosters; she's an alien

HAACHAMACHAMA - cosmic level being; eldritch horror

Lamy and Miko shall be moved to enhanced humans

Suisei and TMT are cosmic level beings too

>>4492910
Isn't Aki just a space elf?

>>4493765
She seems to have some kind of hammer space underneath her skirt

>>4493799
loose vagina

>>4493367
Miko could also fit into Synthetic Life since her original lore is that she was sent over to earth from the Virtual World. So I'm guessing kind of like an A.I. character like Kizuna Ai.

"She has been working on religious services really hard as a miko in the computer world. With the revelation of the gods, she is now visiting Japan. While performing her errand, she has now decided to become and work hard as a virtual miko idol."

She also references the virtual world in her debut video.

https://youtu.be/lMPhHXJbPEQ

>>4492910
>Towa
>Human
foolish

>>4492910
Haachama is literally a multi dimensional god with Aspergers

>>4493765
it says she came from outside of our universe. so our fundamental universal laws dont apply to her. and the wiki said she could create anything out of nothing

>>4493893
oh right my bad, ill fix that

>>4493367
iofy is a type of alien that likes to draw. pretty human level if you ask me.

am i missing something about susei?

>>4492910
>flare
Enhanced human
>nene
Beastmen
>lamy
>towa
>iofi
Human level strength

>>4492910
Where's ID 2?
Also why a whole category just for Noel? Just put her in Enhanced Humans

>>4494379
>alien
>human level

>>4494416
is the bear thing with nene just a costume?

>>4494379
suisei is hot, very hot

>>4494419
good point with noel. and the tierlist thing I used didnt have them, I forgot about them. Where would you place them?

>>4492910
It should be
>cosmic level being
>mythical being
>magical being
>mecha
>kemono mimi
>enhanced human
>human

>>4492910
>Nenechi that low

>>4494440
I dunno, being an alien doesn’t necessarily make you physically greater than a human. but maybe you’re right. where would you put her?

>>4494458
Yes. The lore state that nene just some idol from another world.
But if you want to believe nene, she claim to be the strongest being.

>>4494498
would you put the mages under enhanced human or magical being?

>>4494530
maybe shes the strongest in her world. Has there been any ‘lore’ interactions that would prove that? like watame being the strongest of the beastmen due to 8 second respawn immortality

>>4494521
Put her at cosmic level.
If she's an alien from another planet, that her as a species that manage to conquered the emptiness of space.
Also put ame on cosmic because her possession of time travel machine.

>>4494539
The way i see it.
Flare an elf is a magical being.
While mages, like shion and rushia are enhanced human.

>>4494595
has ame talked about what shes capable of doing with time travel? from what ive seen it doesnt seem very offensive, more touristy. but Ive just recently started watching her so I prob missed stuff

>>4494580
>8 second respawn immortality
Come on.
Watame state that her immortality have limit. She tried her best to not die and used all her spawn chances.

I took the liberty to update it with some of the suggested changes but I'm sure it can be fine tuned even more. I kept the same categories as OP so he can change those around if he wants too.

>>4492910
Ina may not be the strongest alone, but she has friends in high places

>>4494620
humans and elves are pretty similar in terms physically. In most fantasy stuff their lifespans are the big bonus they have over humans, but if they’re against an equal magic wise, I dont know if being an elf makes too much of a difference. Would you say otherwise? Like flare va Shion, assuming Shion is at the same level it would be pretty equal.

>>4492910
Where's Ollie?

>>4494269
Canonically, she gave birth to current day subaru

Is Kanata really top tier? She's just an angel, an angel would at least be a tier below a literal god holo if we had that character, and we have some holos who are godlike, I think Kanata is second tier. Also Kiara as far as we can tell is totally immortal, Mori can not make her stay dead. Again, maybe if we had a God holo they could keep Kiara dead, but in that case Calli wouldn't be on the same tier as the god holo.

>>4494771
isnt moona the goddess of the moon?

>>4494783
Do we think Moona is an omnipotent God or just a local moon Goddess? A moon god may be less powerful than a God whose domain is everything, including the moon. The moon isn't worth much without the universe.

>>4494762
>she gave birth to the universe where subaru exist and bring her to the main universe.
ftfy

>>4494686
I dunno, I think its a hard sell to put iofi on the same level as wizards. unless she has talked about being able to do things that I dont know about.

>>4492910
>Marine at the bottom
Yeah I'm thinking it's time for RAPE

>>4494815
sorry anon, she's just a cosplayer

>>4494800
specifying ‘moon’ god makes me think pantheon stuff. And in those the power levels of gods are all over the place. But I assume she isnt too powerful/important because she has time to stream

>>4494826
that doesn't make me any softer, what are you getting at?

>>4494686
is hachama actually powerful and not just some schizo girl with multiple personality disorder

>>4494815
shes got that boatful of buff midgets from her intro loop

>>4494530
Wasn't superman just a dude from another world? You need some more information to know if an alien is weak or strong.

>>4494686
1. lamy should be on enhanced humans, she is a snow elf i think? kinda forget her lore
2. if you put moona on cosmic level, then suisei should be put there as well
3. azki is a virtual idol, put her on synthetic life

>>4494905
thats a good point. Nene, Iofi and aki all fall under that unknown strength category.

>>4494916
whats up with susei? the wiki made it seem like she was just some girl

>>4494916
being a snow elf is well and good, but she doesnt have anything else. elves are not necessarily stronger than humans. Better reflexes maybe, but if that seems better placed at the top of human level strength. Especially not strong enough to be put along wizards.

>>4492910
>making Super Hyper Ultra Ultimate Deluxe Perfect Amazing Shining God 東方不敗 Master Ginga Victory Strong Cute Beautiful Galaxy Baby 無限 無敵 無双 Nenechi
The
>Great Idol, the Ina-perishable, ƎNƎN, The Great CEO of ƎNƎN, CEO of CEOs, Opener of the Nether, Wielder of the Divine Lava, Punisher of Chat, The Great Unifier, Commander of the Golden Dumpling, Sacred of Appearance, Bringer of Light, O'Riend of Chicken, Builder of Cities, Protector of the Two Streams, Keeper of the Hours, Chosen of Aloe, High Stewardess of the Horizon, Sailor of the Great Sea, Sentinel of the Holo Servers, The Undisputed, Begetter of the Begat, Scourge of the Matsuriless, Kusotori-feeder, First of the Mariokart, Rider of the Sacred Chariot, Vanquisher of Hachaama food, Champion of the Stream, Mighty Botan of the Infinite Desert, Emperor of the Shishiron, She Who Holds The Sceptre, Great Hawk Of The Heavens, Arch-Lady of Atalan, Waker of the Shubangelion, Queen regnant of the Sky, Majestic Empress of the Shifting Sands, Champion of the Desert Matsuris, Breaker of the Oni Clans, Builder of the Great Trap, Terror of the Villager, Master of the Never-Ending Horizon, Master of the Pekodam, Taker of Souls, Tyrant to the Foolish, Bearer of Polka's Holy Instrument, Scion of Matsuri, Scion of Nenechi, The (Dis)Connected, Chaser of Nightmares, Keeper of the Smile, Founder of the Nenechi Cult, Banisher of the Grand Horny, High Lady Admiral of the Houshou Pirate, Guardian of the La-Lion Pass, Tamer of the Tako Queen, Living Dumpling Lady, Dismisser of the Foxburger, Charioteer of the Matsuris, She Who Does Not Serve, Slayer off Reddittras, Apex Purger, Favoured of Lamy, Player of the Great Game, Liberator of Life, Lady Sand, Wrangler of , Empress of the Dunes, Eternal Sovereign of Husbands Legions, Seneschal of the Great Sandy Desert, Curserer of the 300k Vtuber, Queen Regent of the Pineapple Pizza, Warden of the Eternal Nenepolis, Herald of all Heralds, Caller of the Bitter Win, Matsuri-Tamer, CEO of the Karaoke Stream, Guardian of the Deadbeats, Great Keeper of the Gyoza, Husband of the Tako Princess, Belated of Wakers, General of the Mighty Frame, Summoner of Subscribers, Wife of all Husbands, Princess of Desk-kun, Tyrant of Minecraft, Purger of the Phantom, Killer of the False Matsuri's Champions, Tyrant of the Golden Dumpling, Golden Dumpling Lady, Forgotten of the Left4Dead2, Kusotori Mistress, Eternal Warden of ƎNƎN's Lands, Breaker of Haachama's Bonds... and many, many more...
NENECHI not cosmic level?

>>4495042
We are trying to do this based on their actual lore, not memes. The only exception is Haachama since she worked the meme shit into her actual lore through her video series.

>>4492910
>Towa a fucking Demon: Human level strength
OPchama....

I think it's ineffective to rank their strength based on their characteristics.
For example, Noel a human in lore can toss coco in dragon from to the sky.

>>4495042
Self-made lore doesn't count.

>>4495074
I forgot about her my b. it will be corrected for next time

>>4495078
Just like Haachama and Watame's 8 second respawn? >>4495078

>>4495077
thats why she got ranked higher than most people.

>>4495078
self made lore definitely counts. so long as they were serious and incorporated it into their character

>>4495121
She should've been higher than shion, flare and choco if we follow hololive alternative pv.

>>4495143
maybe. Do we know anything about her durability? Has she said anything about being tough enough to withstand damage? Like stop moving trains or whatever? some superchat has gotta have asked about something like that where she gave an answer that would showcase how durable she is

>>4494800
She's pretty much sailor moon where she's a normal girl that is possed by the moon goddess so she's not a god herself.

Luna should be a lower tier than human because technically she's 0 years old so that means she's weaker than a regular ass adult. She also said she's alien too.

>>4492910
FBK is a shapeshifter too.

>>4495205
what does she shapeshift into? is it at the level of the others?

>>4495184
She stopped coco's tail whip.
She also made here own power chart in the same way as kamen rider power chart.

>>4495228
oh cool, do you know what stream she made the chart?

Made my own list. I'm honestly not sure where to put Aki, I don't know much about her or why shes so hyped. If Calli can't keep Kiara dead then they are at least the same tier. Meme tier is self-explanatory. If Moona is a pantheon god she isn't omnipotent. Towa is a devil even if we forget. I'm also not sure about Suisei.
I'm taking this guy
>>4495201
for Moona.

>>4495240
I just know about it from a pic on /jp/.
You can asked about it on noel thread.

>>4495267
whats up with susei? im not familiar with her. thought she was just human

>>4495267
Shouldn't towa in the same level as kanata?
Since she's a devil.

>>4495300
people say she is a comet, it might just be a meme, im open to moving her

>>4495326
>>4495326
depends on the hierarchy of hell, she's specifically not an archdevil. How many devils are there? Are devils fallen angels or not? We don't know enough about hell. If Towa was an archdevil i'd be more comfortable putting her at angel level.

>>4495300
I thought she was a comet given form? not sure about this, barely watch her

>>4495141
Then The Watson Sisters should be the highest because the little one is a linear time traveler eldritch being & the older sister can also travel sideways, can create infinity copies of herself thru different timelines & can delete any undesired timelines, including our own 3D based reality.

>>4495401
the wiki says: Her name "Suisei" translates to "Comet" in English, and as such is usually referred to as the comet idol.

>>4495414
Watson can be a time traveler without being top-tier. If she's only a human time traveler with infinite copies of herself she still exists within time, if she deleted every timeline she would cease to exist. An omnipotent top tier god character could exist outside of time, basically, Watson is Zamasu from DBS when he manifested himself throughout all of time in a universe, so Zeno just destroyed every timeline contained within that universe. Zeno can exist outside of time, Zamasu can not.

>>4495414
what about beings outside of time? like angels and demons and gods and such

>>4495385
She used kanata's halo as a shuriken.
She's above kanata.

Here's an idea. There are arguments that Matsuri, Nene, and Haachama are omnipotent. By definition, there can only be one omnipotent being, if one of them is omnipotent, which is it?

>>4495446
Except Amelia & Sora are the only dimensional hoppers in holo, Aki can only travel one way & Haachama literally fried her brain trying to go backward. So if everyone else but Sora kills one Amelia, she can't jump between dimensions to kill the others, while Amelia in the alternate timeline can delete the timeline where she is killed & preserve the one where she won.
>>4495450
Yes, but those being are beyond holo power level, even AO-chan isn't that powerful. Forget about worshipper/concept based gods, angels, or demons, you need to bring primal stuff like Azathoth or Yog Sothoth.

Pekora has agamemnon contingencies on every holo

>>4495764
like the ancient ones who would rep ina

>>4494671
Nuked various timelines, so... She destroyed the whole existence multiple times

>>4495764
Ok, unless Kanata or some other holo can exist without time Watson is the strongest character.

>>4495816
what does she do after nuking a timeline? find one with no ames? can there be multiple ames in one timeline

>>4495679
None of them. Luna can will stuff into existence bases on her hologra episode. Haachama is like Naruto levels of power with her kagebunshins. Matsuri usually potrays the pon here that overestimates her abilities. Nene is pretty much Rock Lee... when he was 8 years old.

>>4495789
What do you think AO stands for?

Amelia herself is not powerful. It's smol ame that is able to destroy other timelines. She's just a detective looking for a job.

>>4495887
Amelia's time power works differently. If she travel backward & changes some events it creates a new timeline with a new Ame. Then she either left it at that or she can nuke it. Then the new timeline Amelia & original timeline Amelia can again travel backward to create new-new timeline & new-original timeline, then all of them can repeat it as much as they love. All of them can travel between timelines & #1337/Hololive Amelia rules over the others after overthrowing #1.
>>4495969
It was #1337, Smol Ame is just viler & has no qualm of destroying countless lives because she is bored.

>>4495939
Anal Orgasm

>>4492910
Ina's tentacles are canonically weak as shit, and AO has limited power.

>>4494881
She claims to be the strongest idol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHhGxAl3J0c
She believes she is strong enough to eat all of holoEN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z57K0VA9ZE

>>4496563
Is chama a reliable narrator?

>>4495219
She's a fox who transforms into a human.

Fun fact: time travelling is not mentioned anywhere in Ame's bio. It's something she randomly came up with on one of the early streams. She's supposed to be a normal hooman.

>>4497291
RAW vs Homebrew

>>4497291
thank god for that too, otherwise i think her lore would be a bit boring

>>4495267
Suisei is meme tier.

how is the 9000 year old Atlantean ranked among the likes of a regular catgirl in power levels here?

>>4498757
because shes weaker than noel and the wizards. being at the top of a tier still puts you in that tier

>>4499060
>because shes weaker than noel and the wizards.
According to whom? If anything, Gura would fall in the same category as Kiara and Coco assuming she is indeed a demigod.

>>4499218
she's not a god, is she? i believe she's just your everyday atlantean

Amelia can time travel. Not just forwards and backwards, but sideways, between timelines. Because there are an infinite number of timelines, that means that there could be an infinite number of Amelia's in any given timeline, if she so chose.

She's not just a regular human. She's an infinite number of regular humans. It would be trivial to collapse the universe by simply pouring an infinite number of herself into it until the mass creates a black hole so significant that it breaks the laws of physics. And it would have no effect on her, because there are still an infinite number of her left.

These other cosmic level fuckers are powerful, but their power is not literally infinite. Never fuck with infinity.

>>4498757
being old doesn't automatically make you powerful

>>4499441
It's a cumbud. All they care about is "big number = good."

>>4499378
Mate, she's like Marty McFly. She's not infinite or anything like that.

>>4492910
Make a new tier at the bottom "gets tired immediately" and put Luna there by herself

>>4496585
>>4494881
She is. This is proven as she has shown actual feats in various different sources:

>>4495267
>>4493367
>>4493933
>>4495072
>>4495414
>>4496563
HAACHAMA is so powerful that she can most likely solo HoloEN by herself.

Canonically, Haachama can:
-Create a massive number of clones of herself, at any size:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afJEpNE-Al8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViX62UtybwA
https://youtu.be/i_9xsmRez4Y?t=35

-Sever a human head with seemingly Ermac-esque telekinesis powers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzz35N-GeMM
https://youtu.be/14Gwl_0v9-w?t=205

-Survive decapitation and can remove and reattach her head at will:
https://youtu.be/Z86cMpo4SQE?t=110

-Immune to toxicity and can digest anything she can physically eat with no side effects:
https://youtu.be/8mM1XMql0N0?t=266

-Immune to electric shock, actually enjoys it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrEGWo2Qwag

-Resistant to extreme cold, can survive in Antarctica wearing her school outfit with just shivering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RhVyx1eW28

And perhaps most importantly:
-Use "Haachama Beam" (which could possibly be a local form of reality bending):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_9xsmRez4Y

And it's not even just a hologra thing btw, Haachama Beam was a thing in her own stream already before this hologra episode.

-Powerful enough to destroy the Earth (in multiple different ways):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKriB3myCBw

About >>4495764:
>Haachama literally fried her brain trying to go backward
Not anymore:

-Can travel through and stop time (The Haato we see here time traveled back to February 2021 from May in the previous stream. Also, Haachama has had her own time travel arc):
https://youtu.be/S_M4CJgJDvk?t=2187

Since she literally died several streams before this, she can basically resurrect herself by manipulating Haato (across time, mind you) even if she was killed:
https://youtu.be/711J_W0-qfY?t=325

So >>4495840, RIP Ame.

-Very likely to be an Eldritch God of some kind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF8TesmjfTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BujmzBSzQtk

And before you say "oh they're just jokes" or "she's schizo so it's not real". Let me tell you: It's definitely real since other hololive members get affected and react to her abilities in a serious manner (like in hologra for example). You can't argue against how the Haachama clones can physically restrain Aki, for example. Not to mention that these abilities of her are shown in both her own channel AND hologra, so they're indubitably canon. Oh, and do I need to mention that GODCHAMA is a canon thing? She even has this in her Twitter profile atm.
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>>4494686
>>4492910
Actually, Miko and Luna are also arguably Cosmic Level Beings because of the following feats:

>Miko:
Miko is apparently an Elder God according to this page:
https://omniversal-battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Sakura_Miko

>In her debut, she describes herself as being a shrine maiden who's main goal is the maintain the shrine and serve Kami. It's later revealed that Miko isn't just a servant of Kami, but the physical form of Kami, whom of which was exposed to cute culture, animation, games, and many other humanly things that made them want to become an idol. Sakura's true form is that of Kami, a primordial god who is responsible for the creation of the universe and all worlds present in Hololive's expansion reality.

I'm not sure how valid this information is, but there's definely a "God Miko" thing going on. Like her New Years stream this year for example. Basically she would realistically be one of the most powerful beings in all of hololive in her true form.

>Luna:
As shown in her hologra debut episode, at full strength she is essentially a reality-bender:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3tp4kQ081E
--

Though I understand why one might have their doubts, since unlike HAACHAMA who have consistently shown her feats, there are arguments against Miko and Luna: Base Miko might not as powerful, Luna might not be able to use her reality-bending powers all the time for example.

>>4499835
Marty McFly only travels forwards and backwards through time. It's the sideways shit that makes the difference here.

>>4499378
shes not a hivemind though. Why is ame going to mass suicide to save one of the infinite. not to mention there is prob infighting among them

>>4496585
>>4494881
>>4495267
She is. This is proven as she has shown actual feats in various different sources:

>>4493367
>>4493933
>>4495072
>>4495414
>>4496563
HAACHAMA is so powerful that she can most likely solo HoloEN by herself.

Canonically, Haachama can:
-Create a massive number of clones of herself, at any size:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afJEpNE-Al8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViX62UtybwA
https://youtu.be/i_9xsmRez4Y?t=35

-Sever a human head with seemingly Ermac-esque telekinesis powers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzz35N-GeMM
https://youtu.be/14Gwl_0v9-w?t=205

-Survive decapitation and can remove and reattach her head at will:
https://youtu.be/Z86cMpo4SQE?t=110

-Immune to toxicity and can digest anything she can physically eat with no side effects:
https://youtu.be/8mM1XMql0N0?t=266

-Immune to electric shock, actually enjoys it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrEGWo2Qwag

-Resistant to extreme cold, can survive in Antarctica wearing her school outfit with just shivering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RhVyx1eW28

And perhaps most importantly:
-Use "Haachama Beam" (which could possibly be a local form of reality bending):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_9xsmRez4Y

And it's not even just a hologra thing btw, Haachama Beam was a thing in her own stream already before this hologra episode.

-Powerful enough to destroy the Earth (in multiple different ways):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKriB3myCBw

About >>4495764:
>Haachama literally fried her brain trying to go backward
Not anymore:

-Can travel through and stop time (The Haato we see here time traveled back to February 2021 from May in the previous stream. Also, Haachama has had her own time travel arc):
https://youtu.be/S_M4CJgJDvk?t=2187

Since she literally died several streams before this, she can basically resurrect herself by manipulating Haato (across time, mind you) even if she was killed:
https://youtu.be/711J_W0-qfY?t=325

So >>4495840, RIP Ame.

-Very likely to be an Eldritch God of some kind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF8TesmjfTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BujmzBSzQtk

And before you say "oh they're just jokes" or "she's schizo so it's not real". Let me tell you: It's definitely real since other hololive members get affected and react to her abilities in a serious manner (like in hologra for example). You can't argue against how the Haachama clones can physically restrain Aki, for example. Not to mention that these abilities of her are shown in both her own channel AND hologra, so they're indubitably canon. Oh, and do I need to mention that GODCHAMA is a canon thing? She even has this in her Twitter profile atm.
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>>4494686
>>4492910
Actually, Miko and Luna are also arguably Cosmic Level Beings because of the following feats:

>Miko:
Miko is apparently an Elder God according to this page:
https://omniversal-battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Sakura_Miko

>In her debut, she describes herself as being a shrine maiden who's main goal is the maintain the shrine and serve Kami. It's later revealed that Miko isn't just a servant of Kami, but the physical form of Kami, whom of which was exposed to cute culture, animation, games, and many other humanly things that made them want to become an idol. Sakura's true form is that of Kami, a primordial god who is responsible for the creation of the universe and all worlds present in Hololive's expansion reality.

I'm not sure how valid this information is, but there's definely a "God Miko" thing going on. Like her New Years stream this year for example. Basically she would realistically be one of the most powerful beings in all of hololive in her true form.

>Luna:
As shown in her hologra debut episode, at full strength she is essentially a reality-bender:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3tp4kQ081E
--

Though I understand why one might have their doubts, since unlike HAACHAMA who have consistently shown her feats, there are arguments against Miko and Luna: Base Miko might not as powerful, Luna might not be able to use her reality-bending powers all the time for example.

>>4494771
Uh sorry but there's only one lord thy GOD and I'm pretty sure her name is Tokino Sora.

I guess a big question is if hologra is canon

>>4499971
Miko will trip over something before actually using her powers. And if any of her challenges includes a stunomaki janken then the elite will lose. She has a 1% win rate.

Luna cannot give a fuck about anything unless she it's something she fancies like takoyakis so her powers of reality bending is essentially useless.

Amelia's timeline power is not that great. She's just an observer at best. She doesn't mess around with anything. Smol ame is still more powerful.

Haachama is only as powerful as her will at that point in time to execute whatever her goal is. All she can really do is to clone herself. All the stuff she did are to other haachamas. She got beat by a group of Subarex so she ain't powerful.

>>4500042
Okay now STEP ASIDE
MAKE WAY FOR HAACHAMACHAHA


Oh mighty, Haachama... Great Idol, the Imperishable, The Great Idol of Australia, Opener of the Way, Wielder of the Divine Feet, Punisher of Ears, The Great Unifier, Bringer of Streams, Builder of Structures, Protector of the Two Worlds, Keeper of the Dead Hours, Sailor of the Great Ocean, Sentinel of the Two Realms, The Undisputed, First of the Yarra Valley, Champion of the Kitchen, Mighty Idol of the Australian Desert, Idol of the Shifting Sands, She Who Holds The Hammer, Waker of Haatons, Breaker of the YAGOO Structures, Builder of the YAGOO Structures, Terror of the Ears, Taker of Hearings, Waker from Nightmares, Founder of the Desuwa Cult, She Who Does Not Serve, Hearing Purger, Player of the Great Game, Caller of the Indies, Idol of the Yarra River, The Alpha of Awe, The Brute of Brawn, The Cooker of Chaos, The Duchess of Degenelacy, The Empress of Eloquence, The Fiercest of Fighters, The Groumalus of Glory, The Headmistress of HoloEN, The Imperator of Intellectualism, The Jarl of Justice, The Lady of Loquaciousness, The Mistress of Mortality. The Naysayer of Noobs, The Overlord of Obituaries, The Princess of Passion, The Queen of Quixote. The Ruler of Ruination, The Sultana of Smite, The Taskmaster of Trembles, The Undertaker of Ubiquity, The Vaeyen of Vociferousness, The Warranter of Weaklings, The Xenophobe of Xenogeny, The Yardmaster of Yesteryear, The Zhar of Zoroastrianism... and many, many more...

HAATO THE TSUNDERE
HAACHAMA THE KUREJI
HAACHAMA THE ENDLESS

ENTER HAACHAMACHAMA

>>4499971
Ok chammers, I would better delete the Hologra lore because sometimes the stories are too unbeliable, and it would be more confusing, so refering to actual lore yeah, Haachama would be the strongest, but I think it's a bit unfair because she is the one who is adding more and more powers, most Holos didn't even touched their lore at all

>>4494749
Not a holo

>>4500409
I think its lame to say that she should be disregarded just because she made herself powerful in a 'whos the most powerful' thread.

>>4500042
Ok chammers, I would better delete the Hologra lore because sometimes the stories are too unbeliable, and it would be more confusing, so refering to actual lore yeah, Haachama would be the strongest, but I think it's a bit unfair because she is the one who is adding more and more powers, most Holos didn't even touched their lore at all

>>4494749
would ollie be human level? can she do anything special now that shes a zombie? Lack of pain maybe, but is that really good enough to climb tiers?

>>4500042
Aaaaw so cute. A bit more & she might able to handle more than one timeline.
Need to do more time paradox & quantum mechanic reps though.

>>4500591
I wish those two could collab again

>>4500503
Ollie would be human level, but probably a weak human. Her lack of pain is balanced out by having rotting limbs

>>4500745
God, I hope. Lore collab, or even drawing collab will be great.

>>4492910
As Stan Lee once explained, none of this shit ever matters. These are not real people, so in a fight between any of them, the writer will decide who wins.

>>4501340
Ame said indirectly she doesn't want to get involved in her lore for being too ''scary'' for her, shame Ame is that retarded sometimes

>>4492910
>not knowing that Nenechii is a causality level being

OP is a newfag retard who needs to do his reps

>>4500042
>Miko is literally the god of the Hololive Universe and can wish it out of existence if she so wished
Miko is the STRONGEST!!! GO GO MIKO!!!! I always knew there was true power hidden behind that baby voice.

>>4493024
I want a 2D Holo Fighting Game

>>4494771
According to this Hologra,
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr0yef-9WOU
we can determine that Kanatan is canonically an angel either from the second or even first sphere of the hierarchy of angels (in Christian theology). Powers/Authorities from the second sphere specifically have reign over dark and evil forces, which in this animation shows Kanata has this authority in true form, since Mio is a wolf who practices Paganism and mysticism.

Kanata should be above even MORI, because she canonically has power over dark beings such as Ina, Mio, Rushia, Ayame, Towa, etc.

>>4494771
>>4495267
>Also Kiara as far as we can tell is totally immortal
Nope. Kiara confirmed in her own words that she will die permanently if you eat her since there's no ashes for her to revive from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa5Pimg2kPc

In contrast, Watame actually has a much stronger resurrection ability since she does not have this limitation and can respawn much faster than Kiara (8 seconds vs 6 hours).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mz1SUs1uMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsV6OOt2ZpM
https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1306565212451950593

Why is everyone helping OP make his shitty reddit post?

>>4499378
Did Ame change her lore from AO-chan giving her the ability to time travel to something else? If not then not EVERY Ame is a time traveler, just the subset of Ames that exist in a reality where AO-chan decided to gift her the ability. Tier lists like this are pretty bad because the higher up you go the more it becomes rock-paper-scissors and not just raw strength.

Also Noel manhandled Coco how the fuck is she ranked below.

>>4504209
>Did Ame change her lore from AO-chan giving her the ability to time travel to something else?
Wait really? Do you know the source where she states that her time travel ability comes from AO-chan?

>>4504001
>no fun allowed

>>4500042
haachama is hololive's lulu

Imagine if we had all of this discussion for nothing and OP never updates his list......

>>4504593
Nobody cares about your irrelevant Niji. Go cash the check Any Color gave you to shill and fuck off.

>>4495300
>>4495333
she's a comet

>>4504640
I plan to update it after all is said and done and then do another thread later with the new list.

>>4503227
>>4494771
>>4492910
>>4494686
Mori isn't even that powerful. It's common knowledge (or SHOULD BE) that she is death's apprentice, NOT Death itself. Death is her sensei and it literally says so in her profile:
>The Grim Reaper's first apprentice.

This is basic-ass lore they started out with, come on people. Most divine or close-to-divine beings would realistically defeat her. Heck, even Rushia:
>Is the Necromancer Princess and has overcome death multiple times:
https://youtu.be/sNQYownZRe0?t=299

And Mel:
>Is a daywalker, so she would be a Dracula-tier vampire. In the Castlevania series, Dracula is stronger than Death itself.

Are most likely stronger than her. So not to shit on Mori, but she's not a "cosmic level being".

If Hologra is canon for powerscaling then shouldn't Sora be in an upper tier? As it is implied that she has at least enough magical know-how to stop a city/world class threat fubukizlla (they use her voice):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ljZwKRVrMps She as SOME connection/resistance to spirits while the rest seem to be fooled by them: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_GlqT6O0UVo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v8siufikYPg
And at the very least has power over the 4th wall (if not she csn create multiple universes):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4vJ_SlqrgEc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IeWMT2PVhE0
Though powerscaling is inherently flawed due to how autistic people can be

What about the TV Tropes power scaling system? That system is old but I never saw it here. It's not perfect but it's pretty good.

>-1 is weak bitch level. Weaker than an average adult.
>0 is normalfags and civilians.
>1 is high to extremely high human level but no magic powers. Many can murder magic people.
>2 is weak magic/abnormal dudes. Kinda normal. Also incules weaker beastmen.
>3 is for normal level mages/mutant/robos/what have you.
>4 is op cheat power mc get fucked tier. A lot, lot stronger than a normal magic dudes. Time travel and weather stuff.
>5 is the armageddon tier. Can blow up Earth or fully heal it.
>6 is little g god and co tier. The literal forces of nature. Comisc characters.
>7 is Jesus tier. It also incules writer that self insert too.

>>4499251
>i believe she's just your everyday atlantean
So all Atlanteans can live for thousands of years, not bleed? If that's the case, they're more like elves than beastman/merman.

>>4494686
Lamy rertconned her abilities to include magic after her Lamy the Betrayer arc.
She can fend of gen5 combined at least.

>>4500042
shes just a schizo.
her character is literally someone with chuunibyou syndrome, everything is in her head.

>>4492910
>>4494686
Adding to >>4506448, Sora is strong enough to crash one of the four heavenly kings' livestream.

people do a lot of weird stuff in hologra. Does all of that count as what they can actually do for their lore? Have any streamers referenced hologra episodes like, “Yeah I can/cant do that”

>>4511630
JP streamers talk about and reference hologra all the time in their streams. This makes hologura (and by extension, any works officially acknowledged by Cover and the talents) canon as otherwise they shouldn't have any knowledge of the events.

See:
https://omniversal-battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SuperBearNeo_X/Hololive_Explanation#.22Canon.22_In_Hololive

>>4493024

Pokemon snap but you throw stuff at holos

>>4492910
>What do you think the official power ranking looks like?
Based on what metrics?

>>4506674
Vsbattlewiki tiering is a better system

korone is a legit kaiju

>>4506448
Sora is clearly a Haruhi level being.

>>4492910
Wouldn't Iofi(alien tech) and Lamy(ice powers) be in the "enhanced humans" category?

>>4504593
Lulu is scared of spiders, Haachama eats spiders

>>4494476
And very very fast

I would like to take this opportunity to say that I fucking hate time travel and it cheapens everything that isn't written entirely around it as the main mechanic. And even then it still sucks

>>4492910
Clipfag, Luna confirmed she isn't human. She's an ageless space princess.

>>4518555
Lamy is based off being a yuki-onna, but she herself never stated to have magical powers of any kind

>>4499378
Retard here. Can someone explain how there being infinite timelines wouldn't necessitate that for every timeline Ame fucks with in this way, there would be an infinite number of others left alone, thus making the whole argument pointless?

>>4492910
>Miko at human level

>>4518712
Loose canons without any semblance of a narrative like the hololive mythos are one of the few places where time travel doesn't really do any harm though.

>>4519235
The premise of these power scaling arguments is "who would win 1v1." It's very difficult for a character without time travel or existence independent of time to beat a character with Ame's level of time travel, because when the fight begins so to speak, Ame collapses the timeline, causing her opponent to not exist.

>>4518903

>>4507820
>Lamy rertconned her abilities to include magic after her Lamy the Betrayer arc.
>She can fend of gen5 combined at least.

I don't personally know the source where she said this but she must have said it since all the artists are now drawing her with ice powers.

>>4494686
I don't think catagorizing all the beastmen in the same tier paints an accurate picture of their power levels since you've got Botan who's just a lion in the tier as Gura who's over 9000 years old and has partial immortality.

>>4501449
that was more Ame confirming in character that she wasn't part of the timeloop arc, i'm sure she would if chama asked/managers let her

>>4495764
>Except Amelia & Sora are the only dimensional hoppers in holo
Kiara can do it too.

>>4519459
What I'm asking is, how can you assume that would happen to every single timeline where she loses if there are infinite timelines? You can't collapse infinity, right?

>>4492910
>Fubuki
>Beastmen
Fubuki is a fox god that came to Earth and shapeshifted into a human

>>4519878
The latest passparout had her reminiscing about not able to jump between timelines & fallen in love with Amelia though.

>>4519673
>>4495267
>>4494686
>>4492910
Don't know about Gura, but I can vouch for JP & ID members:

- Watame is literally immortal.
>>4503932

- Korone and Okayu are Inugami and Nekomata respectively, Japanese supernatural creatures.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/HololiveJapanGAMERS

- Fubuki is a Kitsune, another Japanese supernatural creature.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/HololiveFubukiCh

- Ayunda Risu is half a witch.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/HololiveIndonesia -> Symbiotic Possession .

Tiermakers really need to look beyond the surface and do their lore reps.

>>4519983
No she isn't. In HoloAlt she might indeed be a shrine god but in the main canon, she's a Kitsune with no confirmed "god" status.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/HololiveFubukiCh
>Kitsune: During Kiara's HoloTalk stream with her as the guest, she confirmed that she is indeed a Youkai and indirectly justifies her cat-like behaviors (as well as the many different forms she's known to take) as the work of kitsunes' ability to shapeshift.

HoloAlt is a separate canon. Even the holomems in it aren't the same one as their stream counterparts; their origin and backstories even contradict their official streaming lore from Cover.

>>4520099
Not that anon but I think they might be referring to this part of her debut stream:
https://youtu.be/uObh73QZUvg?t=264

Although not confirmed, she probably needs to freaking die in order to jump between dimensions. But I guess it's not that big of a deal since she's immortal for the most part.

>>4520297
>Tiermakers really need to look beyond the surface and do their lore reps.
Damn, this is one of the nerdiest things I've ever read and I used to read Dragonlance.

someone should make a wiki with all the chuubas lore. To accurately display what they can do instead of the really bad preset youtube bio description

>>4492910
your red tier is almost perfect
the rest is debatable, marine being captain of a crew id put her somewhere higher
iofi is an alien, haato is not human, towa is monster, lamy probably goes to enhaced human

>>4500042
stop posting this img

>>4524040
marine is just a cosplayer tho

>>4523301
Hololive TV Tropes is IMO the closest thing on the Internet to a "lore wiki". It's not perfect and there are many things missing but it's the place that goes the most in-depth in just about every aspect of their actual content, detailing on them as if analyzing an anime character and it's constantly being worked on.

>>4519964
The timeline exists only when prime Ame observes it & the canon one is where she resides. So other timelines might exist, but that is just alternate timelines, the main timeline is always whichever pleases Ame the most.

>>4500459
She's very chaotic though, and for Holo tier listing it's probably a Mxyzptlk vs Superman deal, except replace "Voluntary Deal to Defeat" with "Involuntary Instability".

>>4524342
She's just a Cosplayer because she doesn't yet have a ship. But the Houshou Pirates are totally a real group.

>>4509872
>2017
Where can I watch those videos? I really want to know 1k subs Sora.

>>4528063
Nevermind, her channel goes all the way back, was reading the dates wrong.
That said that Christmas stream is missing

>>4492910
hard to even call this a power tier list so much as just an organizational categorization. 'enhanced human' as you might notice covers a MASSIVE range of power from Ina being honestly pretty weak to Ame being able to do >>4493271 and effectively body even Cosmic entities.

>>4505495
honestly, I love Mori, but she's not even that impressive compared to Susan