/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>453745
>same week
fixed

Good for Ame.

>>453745
Wake me when Amelia tweets this to her

>>453975
Haachama isn't a schizo so she wouldn't care, just like Shion didn't care. Only /jp/ and the schizos on 5ch cared.

>>453975
Did... Did she realize how much of a slap in the face that is? Or is she just that oblivious? is it even real?

>>453745
fuck off leech

>>454056
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1330817353911713792

>>453745
Will Ame downplay her 1million like she did her birthday and act surprised when no one cares?

>>454105
Humblebrag chicken...

>>454107
I don't think she was surprised on her birthday, she was expecting it to go about how it went.

>>454027
>Only /jp/ and the schizos on 5ch cared
this

>>454107
>Ame makes another call-in stream without preparing people to come beforehand
>Ame tries to do another big performance that "she's totally prepared for"
I wouldn't be able to handle that...

>>454056
No, she doesn’t understand. She is a textbook narcissist. She didn’t show up to Calli’s 1 million stream, but complained the next day that she had “broken her record” for longest EN stream.

>>453975
>https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1330817353911713792
Jesus man that chicken is retarded

>>453745
>same day
She's not gonna make it. I'm sorry teamates.

>>454027
>Haachama isn't a schizo

>>454214
holy shit, you're right
how do we bully kiara into quitting?

>>453975
This fucking chicken can be so goddamn retarded. I wish one of the EN girls actually came out and digitally groveled about the shoulders they stand on.

>>454107
She's surprised at the faux absence like Kanata was surprised, that is to say not at all because it went as expected.

>>454304
No need. She will self destruct on her own. If Ina hits 1M before her, that might do the job.

>>453975
I know Kiara is pissed she hasn't hit 1 Million yet. I hope she's dumb enough to vocalize it.

>>453975
you know, at the time I didn't realize it, but stuff like this was why I stopped liking Kiara

Leave it to /vt/ to turn a thread about Haachama and Amelia into Kiara schizoposting time.

>>454509
why are teamates like this

>>454332
Gura shouldn’t.

>>454027
>Haachama isn't a schizo

>>454027
>Haachama isn't a schizo

>>454508
But girls are cuter when they are this retarded

>>455715
not kiara tho

>>454304
Her fans will eventually realise and turn on her. It will happen naturally.

>>453975
So did everyone just miss how Shion replied happily to it or are they just pretending it wasn't an honest reply because it kills their rrat?

>>453975
Imagine being so fragile that you find Kiara's earnest congratulations here offensive

You think all hololive EN should pretend they aren't completely eclipsing their JP counterparts in subs? They're not directly competing against each other, they're on the same team

The virgin ame streamer

Vs the kino art poster AKAI HAACHAMA

I think Amelia has clearly spent some time on 4chan

Do you think she lurks /vt/ sometimes?

wouldnt be surprised if ame is here right now, ps hi ame.

>>456137
No, she's a prominent schizoposter and Gura anti on only the /jp/ threads

>>453975
based

>>454027
>Haachama isn't a schizo
doesn't watch haachama

>>456125
>>456100
Funny thing is Ame has way more lore potential than Haachama

>>456267
>>455640
>>455616
>>454296
Do newfags really think schizo means schizophrenia or something? It means schizoid you fucking retards now take your meds.

>>456137
in /vt/? No
in /jp? definately
That bitch is into things.

>>456403
this, take note newfags

>>456403
>there's a difference between schizoid and schizophrenic
Holy shit, I legitimately did not realise

>>454107
Doesn’t reach out to senpai’s to call in because she doesn’t want to bother them. Reine only called in because she was watching her stream.

>>456403
>>456565
It literally just means "split".

>>456403
What’s the difference, don’t they both need meds?

>>457227
>Schizoid
>Split form, e.g. split from normal human behavior
>Schizophrenic
>Split mind, e.g. split from what normal humans perceive
Wow it's almost like the words mean different things when you factor in more than just the prefix.

>>457263
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to fucking say. You can't say that schizo can only be used for schizoid. It can be used for both.

>>454508
https://twitter.com/murasakishionch/status/1330898407657861122
/rrat

>>457227
anonchama....your blain, it's bwoken....

>>457241
Schizoid personality disorder (/ˈskJtsɔJd, ˈskJdzɔJd/, often abbreviated as SPD or SzPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency toward a solitary or sheltered lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness, detachment and apathy. Affected individuals may be unable to form intimate attachments to others and simultaneously possess a rich and elaborate but exclusively internal fantasy world.[6][12] Other associated features include stilted speech, a lack of deriving enjoyment from most activities, feeling as though one is an "observer" rather than a participant in life, an inability to tolerate emotional expectations of others, apparent indifference when praised or criticized, and idiosyncratic moral or political beliefs.[13] Symptoms typically start in late childhood or adolescence.[6]

Schizophrenia is a psychiatric disorder characterized by continuous or relapsing episodes of psychosis.[5] Major symptoms include hallucinations (typically hearing voices), delusions, and disorganized thinking.[7] Other symptoms include social withdrawal, decreased emotional expression, and apathy.[5][13] Symptoms typically come on gradually, begin in young adulthood, and in many cases never resolve.[3][7] There is no objective diagnostic test; diagnosis is based on observed behavior, a history that includes the person's reported experiences, and reports of others familiar with the person.[7] To be diagnosed with schizophrenia, symptoms and functional impairment need to be present for six months (DSM-5) or one month (ICD-11).[7][11] Many people with schizophrenia have other mental disorders that often includes an anxiety disorder such as panic disorder, an obsessive–compulsive disorder, or a substance use disorder.[7]

tl;dr
>Schizoid: social outcast who forms delusional fantasies in their head to fill the void of loneliness.
>Schizophrenia: someone who suffers from unwanted hallucinations that break their sanity and ability to function in day to day life. Often have substance abuse problems.

>>457298
That post you replied to was actually my first post in this conversation. But I think, if you apply a bit of critical thinking, the context implies that using the term "schizo" suggests schizophrenia, as it's typically thrown at rratposters and/or people coming up with delusional interpretations of shit that happens in streams. And schizophrenia is far more known to the normal population, most people don't even know schizoid PD exists, instead just mistaking sociopathy or antisocial PD for it.
To wit, can you explain what exactly would make rratposting a schizoid behavior? When schizoids, by definition, avoid interaction with people at all?

>>457298
that's like saying rrat has different meanings and therefore you shouldn't jump to conclusions when it's used. we all know what the fuck it means except newfag schizos who form their own definitions and refuse to accept reality when corrected.

>>457343
>possess a rich and elaborate but exclusively internal fantasy world.
>exclusively internal
Nice selective reading and interpretation

>>457407
Samefag
Misread your tldr, thought you were suggesting schizoids are the ones sharing their fantasies in these threads. My bad.

>>457333
yea yea i know shion didnt mind, but the fact that kiara just impulsively did that and didnt even realise it was what made me lose interest

>>457401
Schizophrenia was coined earlier and the word schizo was used to describe it longer. Saying that it can only mean schizoid is retarded.

>>455907
They’re narrative speds, ignore them

>>457407
none of your rrats are real anonchama, it's all in your head
>>457392
schizo is literally a slur for people with schizoid personality disorder. it doesn't matter what you think it means or what you're most familiar with. that's your own problem for misinterpreting it, and also for not knowing how schizophrenia actually manifests that you'd confuse the two. schizophrenia has nothing to do with rrats you morons, the key difference is schizo narratives are formed by the person suffering from the disorder to fit their own emotional needs and desires, while schizophrenia is something totally outside the person's control and often unwanted.

a schizoid might have delusions that a girl is actually in love with them when they've never interacted before and only sit next to eachother in class.
a schizophrenic might hear unwanted voices in their head telling them the girl is actually satan and part of an elaborate conspiracy to hurt them.

>>457464
i feel like i've wandered into a den of newfags or something, holy shit how delusional can you fuckers be when faced with evidence of your own ignorance?

>heated debate regarding proper terminology when discussing the psychological implications of rrattposting
and people say /vt/ is a bad board

>>456266
Please tell me Kiara telling a western 'I fixed your problematic art' faggot to get fucked is real.

>>454304
shut up Chang

>>454214
>She is a textbook narcissist
it's all starting to add up..

>>454214
lesbian schtick aside, are they good friends? I know korone and okayu are somewhat good friiends, how about the two of them?

>>457510
>schizo is literally a slur for people with schizoid personality disorder.
Yeah, nah, you're full of shit/projecting. To make my point, going off of a normie source:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schizo
Yes, I am specifically using this as a source because my point is about normie presumptions, not your weird headcanon.
At best, the top definition is "someone with one of the schizotypal disorders", but that's far from a targeted slut against schizoids specifically as you suggest; then notice the second highest rated definition:
>1. A rude insult people to give to a person who is acting different, and not actually schizophrenic.
Notice how whatever normalfag wrote this instantly said "schizophrenic" as the "obvious interpretation", without any consideration for any other disorder in the family. Face it, retard, most people have not heard of schizoid PD, and don't even know there's anything BUT schizophrenia.

>>453745
When will they colab together again? I was prepared for double trolls but their streams are maximum Tee Tee comfy.

Ame: "Which game should we play next? How about this one?"
Haachama: "NO, I WANT TO PLAY THAT ONE!!"
Ame: "Okay, we can play that one."
Haachama: "YAAAAAY!"

>>457687
Well they go out and had a trip together where they slept in the same room and stuff so

>>457702
Targeted slur*, my phone really doesn't like that word and keeps autocorrecting it to slut.
Yeah, anyways, nah, you can fuck off, schizo = schizophrenic, this is the meaning for 90% of people, and literally the only people who would argue otherwise are people on the autistic spectrum mad that people aren't being more precise in their word choice, or an angry schizoid mad that no one acknowledges his PD is real.

>>453745
s-sub count does not matter

t. /hlg/

>>457702
>Anon explains what schizo means on 4chan to correct newfags who are misinformed
>This fucker uses urbandictionary as a source, citing normies as his sole evidence that his delusions are true because he's that desperate to reject reality
Holy shit what a schizo, take your meds dude.

>>457687
Kiara and Calli go on holidays together so yeah they are friends.

The only REAL lesbians in Hololive are Noel and Flare. They went and bought matching engagement rings. Plus, they don't run around screaming "WE ARE SO GAY FOR EACH OTHER" which is what people who are gay for each other do.

>>457510
I agree that in this context schizoid makes more sense. I simply said that people saying that Haachama is a schizo are also right because IT CAN MEAN BOTH THINGS and it meaning schizophrenia is more common. I don't get why it's so hard to understand.

>>457773
>they don't run around screaming "WE ARE SO GAY FOR EACH OTHER" which is what people who are gay for each other do.
come to California

>>454214
She's not a narcissist, she's "Australian" and they have no fucking filters or social grace.

Does every thread eventually boil down to a chicken discussion at one point?

>>457816
Yes because the narrativefags have a hate over towards Kiara

>>457773
CocoKana...

>>457773
>they went and bought matching engagement rings
Did they actually do this, or did they just say they did?

>>457786
How does schizoid make more sense? Part of their disorder is the fact that they actively avoid contact with other people. Untreated schizophrenics, meanwhile, get mad when you don't acknowledge that there's a (not real) faceless man in a suit in a room with you and him.
>Rratposters come here trying to convince people of how real their delusions are
>But they're schizoid, not schizophrenic
????
>>457763
Mad as fuck, goddamn. Nobody's heard of schizoid, homie. I only heard of it because I went through a broody emo phase in college a decade ago and tried to self-diagnose myself with it because of how introverted I was. Didn't know it existed till I took some stupid fucking personality test or some shit.

>>457786
I agree, Haachama's character arc is more characteristic of schizophrenia, which is why I bothered pointing out the difference. Just seems like there's a lot of anons who seem to think rratposting is related to schizophrenia when it's not., it's the delusions of schizoids who think their headcanon is real.

The thing about schizophrenia being more common in our language/culture is interesting, because it's like how everyone would accuse eachother of being BPD or ADHD or OCD or autistic just because it's the only mental disorders they know of from TV. Schizophrenia is a very rare disorder while schizoids are very common in everyday society. But because schizophrenia is a more "flamboyant" disorder that looks cooler on TV, normies latched onto it and think that all schizo-typal disorders manifest like schizophrenia, even though it's very much the odd one of the bunch.

Now we've reached a point where it's so ingrained in the discourse that there's retards like >>457702
who are convinced their delusions are real because they're unwilling to admit being wrong when confronted with new information. Make no mistake he knows he's wrong, but because it's such a dumb hill to die on he's never going to admit it publicly and will just internalize his newfound knowledge for future schizo-posting.

>letting the Annoying Orange live rent-free in your head

>>457995
Pic related. Because at first I was just mildly amused at the idea that maybe you thought more people have heard of schizoid than haven't, or don't mistakenly interpret it to be an adjective for "person with schizophrenia" like 95% of the human population would, but now it's just getting old and obvious how much of a bait this is.
Either that, or you're legitimately autistic and having a meltdown at the fact that things aren't properly ordered in the way you want/expect.

>>457995
>>458182
Also, I STILL have yet to get an answer for "why would a schizoid share their fantasies when part of their disorder is that they avoid all social interaction?" Given that this would rebut your little spergout about REEE SCHIZO CAN MEAN A LOT OF THINGS, I'm not surprised, but it just reinforces my point for any competent people who are cursed with reading this shitshow of a thread.

>>457872
>How does schizoid make more sense?
Well, I think that schizoids are so solitary and detached that they spend time in their heads and make up things which then blend with their perception of reality.
>>457995
I am autistic about words, so for me it will only ever mean "split". But I don't really care what people use it for.

>>457526
KEK

>>457816
You either die an irrelevant thread, or live long enough to see yourself become a Kiara-Anti general

>>458438
Since you're apparently the sane one in this conversation, I guess I can see where you'd get that. I just can't see what would make "schizo" more applicable to a schizoid person specifically, as the dude freaking out is claiming it's a "known slur" (fun game to try at home: ask your friends if they know what "schizoid" is, bet you five bucks the majority will be like "what, is that like a term for a person with schizophrenia?).
Just doesn't make sense to me, you could MAYBE argue it's shorthand for schizotypal, and I'd buy that, given the whole "rich internal fantasy world" thing... But I'm stuck on the "never interacts with people" part, myself.

>>458608
Shorthand for schizotypal in general*, without being specific towards schizoid PD*

>>458342
The idea that because they're social outcasts they must not socialize at all seems strange, when other mental disorders like autism and depression are also known for being social outcasts who spend a lot of time on the internet and socialize on these boards through anonymity. The difference for schizoids is that they only socialize in real life using a filter, because they see themselves as observers in a world that they've "figured out". On the internet they feel free to share these delusions in the same way an author would write fantasy novels, not for praise but just because it's how they express themselves. Because to them everyone else is just an NPC and without a face attached to it they feel no shame having these interactions online throwing their delusions into a faceless void.

Tell me that doesn't sound like the average anon. And if you still disagree I implore you to actually read the wikipedia article and mental health literature on schizoids to fully understand what it means since it seems like you still don't know.

>A pathological reliance on fantasizing and preoccupation with inner experience is often part of the schizoid withdrawal from the world. Fantasy thus becomes a core component of the self in exile, though fantasizing in schizoid individuals is far more complicated than a means of facilitating withdrawal.[20]:64

>Fantasy is also a relationship with the world and with others by proxy. It is a substitute relationship, but a relationship nonetheless, characterized by idealized, defensive and compensatory mechanisms. This is self-contained and free from the dangers and anxieties associated with emotional connection to real persons and situations.[20] Klein explains it as "an expression of the self struggling to connect to objects, albeit internal objects. Fantasy permits schizoid patients to feel connected, and yet still free from the imprisonment in relationships. In short, in fantasy one can be attached (to internal objects) and still be free."[20] This aspect of schizoid pathology has been generously elaborated in works by R. D. Laing,[22] Donald Winnicott[39] and Ralph Klein.[20]:64

Schizophrenia while falling into schizo-typal disorders is something completely different and has no connection to the kinda delusions that get posted on these boards. Schizophrenics don't just make shit up in their head whenever it's convenient or out of a need for emotional connections, it's entirely involuntary for them.

>>456137
She probably frequents the ryona threads on /d/

>>453975
>>454056
>>457663
I have seen all of Kiara's and Mori's streams and unfortunately came to the conclusion that Kiara is a psychopath. I have a degree in psychology and know how to analyze human behavior. There just so many evidence you wouldn't believe it...
If you watch Kiara and have at least some information about her past you would know the following facts about her:
1) She is an extremely rational individual. Although she puts this "cute Kiara mask on" during the streams, it is impossible to hide the fact that all of her decision making comes from a cold logical calculation.
2) It is impossible to predict Kiara's behavior. I don't mean that she is insane, I mean that psychopaths usually have a tendency to be unpredictable. If a normal individual has a certain "standard" behavior, Kiara doesn't have one.
3) She always lies, and she does it unconsciously.
4) Kiara never takes responsibility for her words or actions. In her mind it's always someone else's fault.
5) She always tries to get more for less work. It's especially visible when you look at her RPG gameplay. In a psychopath's mind there is always a way to get more resources from a system.

Here I will propose a hypothesis that I simply call "The great chicken conspiracy". From the start Kiara knew that she is less talented, capable and competent than other EN girls. And I also suggest that she was the one who proposed this whole "relationship between Mori and Kiara thing", Cover is too incompetent to be so forward thinking and you know it. From the very beginning her plan was, and to the certain degree still is to leech from Mori's popularity.
You probably will ask "Why Mori and not someone like Gura who is more popular?"
Simple my frens Mori is an outkast, a loner, a dork. She was never popular among people and she never had real friends. Mori is inexperienced individual when it comes to relationships and Kiara like a deadly predator knows about it. From now on I want you all to pay closer attention to our psychopathic chicken.

You will all see what I mean during her Nier playthrough. Pay attention to her reactions during 2b moments.

>>453975
Kiara please

>>458608
I think you guys are fixating too much on that part about interaction. It's not that schizoids don't interact with people, it's that they don't see people as people. It's almost a reverse narcissism where instead of themselves being the center of the world, they feel no one including themselves is the center of the world, and everything is as orderly and predictable as an anime or novel. So they'll go through the motions of "interacting" if only to pass the time or because it's compulsory, but without any actual emotional attachment or connection involved.

I am a person with real schizotypal personal disorder, but reading you guys makes me think that i am the most sane person in this thread.

>>458694

>this entire thread

Schizo has always meant schizophrenic. If it meant schizoid we would just type out those extra two letters.

>>458694
Take your meds schizo(schizoid)-chama...

>>458694
>extremely rational
>unpredictable
lol

>>458660
>Schizophrenics don't just make shit up in their head whenever it's convenient or out of a need for emotional connections, it's entirely involuntary for them.
Then with this tldr, I'd argue a rratposter is equally capable of being schizophrenic as schizoid. Consider this: a severely schizophrenic person might see their friend's oven timer counting down, and in their hallucinatory state interpret it to actually be a countdown to... I don't fucking know, a bomb or something, I know that's super generic and stereotypical but whatever.
A normal person might see a te te stream moment and think "oh, that's cute, they're good friends". The schizophrenic is like "holy shit they're basically boning on screen right now, does no one else see this?" The schizoid is like "well, that confirms my intimate research of the past 10 tweets they sent to each other, along with that rumor that came from 5ch that they were moving in together - relationship confirmed."
Both schizotypal persons might share their interpretations thus with the board, and both have the same false conclusion, albeit for different reasons. Doesn't mean that when you see a rrat saying "X and Y are dating, did you see their stream???", but not really mentioning anything but that specific bit of evidence, you can immediately assume it's not a schizophrenic person. You don't know how much or how little background ""research"" went into that ""claim"", if any, or if it's a spur of the moment misinterpretation of what the person is seeing.

>>454027
>Haachama isn't a schizo

>>458694
What the fuck is wrong with you

>>454027
>Haachama isn't a schizo

>>458493
The one and only absolute truth in /vt/

>>458758

Actual secret schizoid here

It's funny how everyone is throwing all these textbook definitions at each other and debating about the true nature of conditions they don't have.

>>458928
But anon, I need to win this argument with a stranger otherwise I won't feel man enough to masturbate to the Kiara wrestling video tonight

>>458928
imagine if you needed to be a schizo to debate about it
good thinking anon

>>458866
I don't know anon, your characterization of schizophrenics seems like it doesn't match up with any of the real life schizophrenics I've known. For schizophrenics they don't need to interpret things, their mind does literally all of it. A schizophrenic doesn't need to see Takamori collabing to form a hallucination that they have sex, they will hallucinate the visual and auditory signals for it to be true, entirely in their mind, for seemingly no reason. A schizoid can at least be reasoned with, as they are self-aware to a degree that their delusions are just that, delusions. I'm willing to concede that "schizo" can be used as a catch-all for all schizotypal personality disorders, but schizophrenia is usually the least relevant one when discussing rrats, so it'd be useful if people kept that in mind.

For example >>458694 is the kinda stuff that's characteristic of schizoid delusions. The person watched streams, internalized the information from those streams, and tried to connect a puzzle out of them to fit a "story" that he concocted in his head. He doesn't care about being right or not, because the moment his delusion is shattered he'll immediately concoct a new one that's compatible with any new information he obtains.

>>458694
I don't care if she is a psychopath. She is still the most relatable EN holo.

>>459057
also yes I have autism which is why i've been posting walls of text over this dumb argument.

>>458608
Take your meds, schizo

>>458928
Take your meds

>>458928
literally take your meds, oh wait you probably dont even have meds cause your self-diagnoses isn't real

>>457763
you the type of nigga that called niggers "google" to try to turn google into a popular racial slur cuz /pol/ told you to

>>458694
Nice pasta. Just make sure to take your meds today.

>>455963
It's pretty simple. Being humble is cool. Nobody is complaining about them having more subs. Not showing the grace that comes with it is what rubs me the wrong way.

Even the last idiot must by now know why everyone always thanks other people for their success - even if it's simply not to look like complete garbage.

Even if it's 100% you (it's never) you will find someone to thank because at least looking like you are humble is cool and everything else makes you look like an ass. No exceptions. If you don't get this, you will get haters and that is deserved.

>>458968

Go for it, champ. I believe in you.

>>458985

My therapist's underlying lesson was "fake it till you make it". Super generic, but that's how a secret schizoid, like, works. Guaranfuckingtee you that you'd never know I'm secretly weaving you into my headcanon if we conversed IRL. Shit's compartmentalized, just running in the background like some shitty antivirus.

... And I realize claiming I'm somehow special compared to normal people is just demonstrating my SPD. Unless I'm not actually and this is all an elaborate ruse?

>>459167

There is no medication for SPD. Don't need it, we're fundamentally harmless, even to ourselves. We're not like bipolar people who might try to complete sudoku during a manic episode or some shit.

If you actually knew anything about it, you'd realize your edgy reply doesn't make any sense.

>>454304
5 yuan has been deposited into your account

>>459177
can't relate but gl anon

>>458608
>>458342
>Frequently, a schizoid individual's social functioning improves, sometimes dramatically, when the individual knows he is an anonymous participant in a real-time conversation or correspondence, e.g. in an online chatroom or message board. Indeed, it is often the case the individual's online correspondent will report nothing amiss in the individual's engagement and affect.[citation needed] A 2013 study looking at personality disorders and Internet use found that being online more hours per day predicted signs of SPD. Additionally, SPD correlated with lower phone call use and fewer Facebook friends.[35]
damn did anyone even bother to read the wikipedia article before posting?

>>459240
Based schizobrother.

>>459240
you realize SPD is commonly comorbid with other psychological problems, like anxiety, depression, autism, anger etc. you personally might not have em but to say "people with SPD don't need medication" isn't accurate

>>459341

I don't need luck. I've managed life this far. Have a decent job, have a decent house. No wife or GF, but don't wanna subject some chick to have to deal with me without my public face on.

>>459352

Yeah, this is literally why I'm here. I don't bother with rrats, ironically for the dumb debate that was happening earlier, because my particular reality construct presumes that all rrats are bullshit. Everyone is just assuming schizoids are like some sort of fanfic-generation machine, when the boring reality is that our "internal narrative" might ironically be super "everything is normal and extraordinary shit doesn't happen".

>>459363

>Pic

>>459407
What he means to say is there isn't a clinical treatment or medication for SPD.

>SPD is a poorly studied disorder, and there is little clinical data on SPD because it is rarely encountered in clinical settings. Studies have generally reported a prevalence of less than 1%[4][11] [5] It is more common in males than in females.[11] SPD is linked to negative outcomes, including a significantly compromised quality of life, reduced overall functioning even after 15 years and one of the lowest levels of "life success" of all personality disorders (measured as "status, wealth and successful relationships").[8][9][10] Bullying is particularly common towards schizoid individuals.[3][19] Suicide may be a running mental theme for schizoid individuals, though they are not likely to actually attempt it.[20] Some symptoms of SPD (e.g. solitary lifestyle and emotional detachment), however, have been stated as general risk factors for serious suicidal behaviour.[21]

I HATE THIS THREAD FUCK YOU FAGGOTS I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CUTE BLONDE HONORARY SISTERS

>>459407

No, I stand by what I said. That poster (or you, whichever it is) said "take your meds" in reaction to me saying "I'm actually schizoid". The obvious implication is that I should take them BECAUSE of the thing I SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED.

While you're correct that SPD typically presents with other issues, it's not 100% of the time. Call me a glass-half-full optimist, I'd read a post like mine literally, not just be an asshole and assume a clinical hikki has a bajillion other issues.

>>453975
I hope ina gets to a million before k***a

>>459407
What he's trying to say is that you can't treat STD. There is no cure to STD. It's not a common cold that you can make go away with meds or some sort of childhood trauma that can be treated by talking with psychologist. People have it from the start of their life, their brain just works like that. It's like trying to "cure" left-handedness..

>>459545

>There is no cure to STD

This elicited a chuckle from me, well done.

>>459481

Don't see the point in offing myself. Don't believe well enough in an afterlife to trust that oblivion doesn't await me should I make that choice. Would rather cling to "being" as I understand it, rather than take a chance that there's something better.

Of course, god might have some words for me if heaven IS real.

>OP just wanted a thread about Haachama reaching 1 mil and Ame almost being there
>Derailed by Kiara antiposting
>Gets derailed further by arguments over schizoid personality disorder vs schizophrenia
10/10

>>453975

https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1359564193943351297

>>459630
religion started out as just a schizoid delusion, it's just a rrat to explain the material world based on their observations and fantasies. i'm sure god would forgive you anon, schizoids like you are how he spreads.

>>454107
She already did
https://streamable.com/16i6ff

>>459670
>Heartfelt congratulations to her senpai
>Doesn't flex her own achievements, subconsciously or otherwise, in doing so
Chicken's ngmi

>>459670
kek
I love it
commence the rrats on why it's ok for Amelia to do this but not ok for Kiara, schizo(id)s

>>459688
You are pixels on my screen, you will stop existing as soon as i close this thread. Fear my might.

>>459720
Did you not realize why people were annoyed by Kiara's tweet? It was the "at the same time" part

>>459751
The context of that tweet is that they actually did achieve 500k within like a couple minutes of eachother iirc since they were both doing 500k karaoke at the same time.

>>459720

It's because she didn't make it about herself. Wow, you people are retarded.

>>459688

Mmmm again, there's that interpretation of "schizoid = really active imagination". I mean fundamentally it's correct, but it's not like it's the sole qualifier. Or maybe it is and the DSM is full of shit, which given recent developments/revisions of it I wouldn't entirely doubt.

Maybe everyone has a little bit of a "personality disorder", I know that sounds like some kumbaya "everyone is unique" shit (the joke being everyone shares the quality of not being the same as everybody else, a right proper paradox) but yeah. No doubt I'm not fucking normal, and I don't expect anyone to feed my beliefs thus, something definitely went wrong with my brain's development, but it seems like everyone has at least a little bit of a.... Oddity, in them.

>>459846
By definition something's only a personality disorder when it impedes your everyday life. Most schizoids do function normally in life so they never get diagnosed, which is why the incidence rate is less than 1% in a clinical setting even though we probably all know people who fit the definition in real life. Most of them bottle it up or think it's a core part of their personality and not a disorder, until it overwhelms them or compounds with other disorders and their life comes crashing apart. But by that point they've added so many more mental problems like depression and substance abuse that the schizoid part gets totally overlooked when they go off the deep end. It very well could just be "someone who views the world as an NPC with an overactive imagination" at the most bare definition, in which case many famous people in history would be high-functioning schizoids.

>>455963
Its not offensive its just fucking retarded and anoying

>>459846
>>459953
Take meds please...

>>459953

I mean, yes. I did go to a shrink because I was depressive, but it wasn't really by choice. It was that or get kicked out of the Navy . Maybe they bullshat the conclusion, but they decided after the sessions that I was either avoidant or schizoid. As I had obviously managed well enough to get and keep my job for about 5 years by that point, and no one ever really went "wow, that [anon] is a fucking asshole" if asked about me, AND coupled with the fact that hearing the bullet points of SPD "clicked" with me and "completed the puzzle", we rolled with that.

But yeah, never went on any meds. Basically, having some sort of "oh, so THAT'S why..." Explanation was its own... Medicine, I suppose. Knowing there was a recognized explanation for why I was like I was made me feel much better.

>>459707
Kind of sounds like the response of someone who visits /hlgg/.

>5 hours into the thread
>Ame's sub count is still at 996k
>Only a few hours left until it's a full day after Haachama passed 1mil
I'm sorry OP. I guess miracles don't just happen like that.

>>457717
Watching Ame-oneechan play with her imouto was 11/10 comfy.

>>460101

Why? Honestly speaking, is this just a "I don't want to read your conversation" request, but you think it "looks better" or more impressive to all the other cool kids to use a standardized meme to do so?

Like, just fucking say "I don't wanna read you rambling about your personality disorder", it's really not hard to just say what you mean rather than dance around it like a pussy. And I'll be like "well, other people seem to want to have this conversation, so I'm not going to honor your request because you can always leave the thread".

Just saying.

>>460199
Try begging for subs at jaypee, they probably will give some if you're not shitposting since Ame are among the more likeable EN there.

>>460209
You are just crazy dude, i was being honest there
Take the meds and dont escape the lunatic asylum

>>453745
How cute.
Only one of them deserves it, and its not Whoretson.

>>460310

I know I'm crazy. Clinically so. What the fuck are you gonna do about it? Does my presence offend you? Does it somehow affect whether you'll hold a job, or take care of your family, or anything of actual consequence? Or is it just mildly annoying you on a recreational anonymous imageboard YOU chose to come to?

Perhaps I'm not the one who needs meds, if this is such a monumental event in your life.

>>460469
Nah i just remind you of the need for your lunatic treatment out of pure compassion.
Dont try to derail the thread, I was confused by you friends weird discussion.

>>460596

Tell me, expert man, what medication am I not taking that I should be? I'm sure you know, since clearly I don't. Can't wait to see what MAOI antidepressant or whatever the fuck google claims I take you respond with.

>>460596
There's no clinical treatment for SPD retard. No medication or therapy can improve it, it's treated the same way as psychopathy, by faking it until you fit into society and it's no longer classified as a "disorder".

>>453745
Btw Ame is the most talentless and boring person in her entire gen. It baffles me how she was picked up by hololive in the first place.

Her entire content is just playing videogames. Nothing creative, no singing talent, not entertaining, awkward in 1vs1 communication, completely shuts down in collabs with 2 or more people.

>>460762

Ironically, if he's trying to insanityshame me (does that work? Just used the same format as fatshame), by going "bro you're crazy", it actually just reinforces the brand of craziness I have, which is SPECIFICALLY ABOUT being a wannabe-omniscient, hyperaware crazy dude. Like, I'll point again that SPD people are like, the last ones you need to worry about. We're the quiet ones who... Never stop being quiet.

Not to knock fatshaming, that works. That behavior can be changed easily, and a valid reason can be found to want to reduce resource consumption by the species.

>>460822
What part of that is supposed to be bad?

>>460822
Re-read your post and maybe use some critical thinking to understand why she was picked for an audience of predominantly Western young adult men.

>>460822
she's good at (some) games and her toxic reactions are a lot of fun. Plus she has a great solo streaming demeanor to where it's fun just to listen to her talk.

Amelia isn't an idol. She's just a streamer with an avatar. Even the other EN girls don't manage to go that low

>>460995
Idolfags get the rope.

>>458694
Great narrative

t. kfp

>>460822
>Her entire content is just playing videogames. Nothing creative, no singing talent, not entertaining, awkward in 1vs1 communication, completely shuts down in collabs with 2 or more people.
I can tell you don't watch her. But here's your (You)

>>453745
>Detective time travel theme is a boring twitch thot
>Tsundere blonde becomes most incredible story teller and actress in the entire company if not all of vtubing
I'm ashamed to be an eop at this point

>>461319
Time travel was never actually part of her character she just appropriated it from Doctor Who because people were asking why she was part of "HoloMyth".

>>459670
Thank you

Ame should have kept the accent

>>461319
>>461382
>make a very british character
>have her voiced by a generic american
massive wasted potential desu

>>461680
They probably didn't get any british applicants that were worth hiring. Also it's not like they developed the characters beforehand. The talents are told to audition with a character in mind. Ame auditioned for HoloEN as a detective lmao.

>>461382
She said she just forgot to mention it in her debut, and considering that her monocle has gears like a clock on top of her having a prominent pocketwatch, it's believable. I know it's not on her bio, but Moona's bio says nothing about the ghost/goddess backstory either (unless Moona also made those up later).

>>461716
I'm willing to believe that's the case yeah, but she also never references her own backstory except as a joke, so it's hard to tell how much is official. The gears/clock motif could just be due to her personal interest in steampunk aesthetic, which we know to be the case.

>>459100
That’s fine, anon; you are very nice and your walls are pleasant to read. I wouldn’t want you gone even if it meant all the posters I don’t like would go away, too.

>>461777
>Schizo(phrenic) replying to himself even after the conversation he was in is already done and over with just to make sure people see how smart and clever he is
Meds

>>461848
That's a unique IP you stupid fucking schizo.

>>454027
Look, the fact that people that see that tweet for the first time constantly react to it negatively shows that you and Kiara are in the wrong here. It's odd to see that the KFP whiteknights end up as the ones that keep trolling threads.
>>455907
We can't tell how Shion feels because if she gave anything other than a happy reply, it'd look bad publicly. Either way, Shion's response just shows how mature Shion is, not that Kiara's nice.
>>455963
There's a reason why Gura avoided celebrating her 1mil, and Fubuki got sad when people brought up that Gura overshadowing Fubuki in an instant. If Kiara had just replied like this >>459670
then no one would've batted an eye. Kiara made herself look either insensitive or self-centred, and there's nothing you can do about that

>>462139
anon-chama... your meds...

>>457816
Godwins law, people love to hate and be angry

>ITT: everyone's crazy and everyone needs to take their meds
This thread has truly been blessed by the spirit of haachama

>>462139
meds

>>462213
Hachama isn't crazy
Haato is the one who hears voices

>>457816
Every thread except chicken threads, which boil down to an ame or gura discussion inevitably. Even during her concert yesterday the thread derailed into arguing about Amelia's social awkwardness.

>>462237
>Hachama isn't crazy

>>462213
Haachama did nothing wrong.

>>461680
Most British people don't have British accents Americans actually want to hear.

>>462281
Kani Kanizawa has a pretty nice voice tbqh. Unfortunately I'm not sure Hololive are interested in hiring a 24/7 Euro Truck Simulator streamer.

>>460822
i don't even like ame and you're just plain wrong. her holiday streams are pretty good and definitely show effort.

>>462344
>24/7 Euro Truck Simulator streamer
Okay now you have my interest

>>462436
I just went to check her channel since I don't usually watch her and wtf is going on here lol. Is this usually allowed to just add people to your channels tab without actually being affiliated?

>>462344
>a 24/7 Euro Truck Simulator streamer
based and autism games pilled

>>462281
But we want to hear our daily dose of "croiky"...

>>462480
Vast majority use channels they are close with

>>453975
>>459670
The virgin Kiara vs the chad Amelia

>>462989
Why is Ame giving Haato credit for Hachamas channel?

>>462480
Why does almost every vtuber have Ch. on their channel name? Do they just do it because everyone else does it?

>>463189
It's pretty much a signal that you're a vtubing channel, so it's easier to find other vtubers and stuff.

>>462989
kek she learned from the fault of the autismo chicken

isnt kiara austrian?
you know who also was austrian?
adolf hitler
i rest my case

>>463967
>he didnt watch the Sound of Music watchalong

Can someone give me a rundown on what the fuck is going on with Haachama? I haven't had time to watch any of her live-streams and the short shitpost videos have me totally lost.

>>464023
>Sound of Music
gay

>>463967
Notice Kiara has not denied this either. The rrat thickens.

>>464098
>Can someone give me a rundown on what the fuck is going on with Haachama?
I've watched everything and I dont think I can

>>464098
Haatochama is the ultimate fusion

>>464098
There's Haato and Hachama
One of them is trying to behead the other and take control of the body...I think

>>464098
Short answer: No.
Long answer: No, nobody can.

Now that the dust is settled, why did EN underperform? Only three of the top ten hololives are from EN but the potential english audience dwarfs japanese probably by a factor of ten.

>But they've been around for less time
Yes, but apart from Gura most of their growth has tapered off to the same level as a mid-high level JP girl.

This thread lied to me.
It's Tuesday already here and Watson is still under 1 million subscribers.

>>464435
They didn't underperform.

>>464435

>>464098

>>464435
(You)

>>464638
>>464672
I'm not shitposting lol. Really, I thought they would be top 5 in a couple of months but it doesn't look like that will happen. Maybe Mori will make it to second but I don't see ame, kiara, or ina ever even being close.

>>464435
Anime style shit is also by a factor of 10 less popular overseas than it is in Japan, so the realistic potential audience is probably about the same (for now).

>>464652
Hey, an actual functional explanation that lays it all out in a perfectly understandable way (Assuming nothing important is missing)

>>464727
(You)

>>464435
>the potential english audience dwarfs japanese probably by a factor of ten.
lol no.
This would assume that every English speaking nerd is a potential Vtuber convert.
That simply isn't the case, the market for this kind of content is minuscule compared to the market in Japan, most English speaking normoids are simply repulsed by the mere sight of a cute anime girl.

>>464764
There is a more up to date infographic. This one is missing the one million subs stream

>>464727
Maybe if they start changing their youtube channel location from Japan to US they get actually recommended to their target audience more often.

>>464825
who says an avatar has to be anime anime style or or the girls to put on a sound high pitch voice with a childish cutesy persona

>>464764
>>464838
This one.

>>464977
Thanks bruv.

>>464435
>>464727
(You)

>>459240
>no medication for SPD. Don't need it, we're fundamentally harmless, even to ourselves.
>bipolar people who might try to complete sudoku during a manic episode or some shit
That's not what people in a manic episode do or why they take their meds, and you saying it like that to suggest you know your shit sounds really off.
>>459177
> And I realize claiming I'm somehow special compared to normal people is just demonstrating my SPD.
Not really, that kind of solipsism is common, especially among people who think there is ""something"" wrong with them, which is also kinda dumb to say because it doesn't really narrow it down a whole lot. The generic advice here also unironically applies to depression. There really isn't anything better you can do than try to be normal.
But I can relate to what you are saying, and you seem to be dealing fairly well with your situation. I truly wish you the best.

>>464764
It's a reddit post. I don't say that as a way to shill reddit or shit on the post, it simply is.
>>464435
>Now that the dust is settled
It hasn't.
>why did EN underperform?
It hasn't. Stopped reading there.
>>464825
But English is much more accessible to Americas and Euro communities. I wouldn't underestimate the fraction of people with anime autism in those countries. I know few people in my (born 90s) or my brother's age (born late 80s) who aren't actively watching anime.

>>464435
>Now that the dust is settled, why did EN underperform?
By what fucking metric are you using to make that judgement?

>>469671
My earnings per share.

>>453745
The state of (you) lmao

>>460071
>Its not offensive its just fucking retarded and anoying
If you're an insecure bitch than yeah, otherwise nobody who doesn't have to take pill to not hear the voices won't care

>>464435
They all have gaming as the main activity.
But gaming world, especially western one, has been so horrible for a decade now.
They need to be more weebish, learn more japanese, play more good fps (if there is any anymore) and jap games, join jap minecraft sever, socialize more with jap senpais.
That way, we can obsevere more aspects of their personality, and the content will also be much diverse. A win win.
In fact, as much as Im worried about Kiara menheraness, her route is pretty much the correct one to extend your channel.

>>464149
o-ogey?

>>474083
Whatever you do, don't Google "kiara argentina origin story"

>>453766
KNEEL

It's official.

Both have crossed 1 million

>>457663
Ok, that post was many hours before Coco overslept

>>475175
That specific post was during the time Coco overslept. Kiara had a series of tweets about sleeping before that, but that specific one overlapped with when Coco missed her stream.

>>474915
NEVER

>>453766
>(you)

>>454273
is that egg any good?

>>475283
Kiara tweeted that 1 hour before the time where coco's stream should start

>>474281
Esta en el sur?

>>463189
Its easier to find. If I search ''Gura'' on youtube, i will only find clips, but if i search '' Gura Ch'' the first thing i'll see is her channel

>>476325
You have those backwards.
Coco's absence (these are about a half hour and an hour after she's late, continue reading to see Fubuki starting a stream)
>>/jp/thread/S32260827#p32261014
>>/jp/thread/S32259231#p32262472

Kiara's tweet
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1350233975030071296

If you're checking directly with Coco's vid, it'll show up the other way around because Coco's stream's start time would be late.

>>476405
I get her channel as the first result if I just search "gura". This seems to work for all the holos on my end, at least all the ones with unique names, obviously searching for "flare" or "marine" will bring up other stuff first. Searching for "aqua" gives me Barbie Girl.

>>453766
>>454273
>>460199

>>453975
Guys, I'm too retarded.
Why everyone complains about Kiara's congratulations? What's wrong here?

>>457717
>>460208
I would have thought Haato would have been the oneechan to Ame because she is her senpai but it seems their sisterly rolls were decided by their actual ages (and Haato's English) lol. I hope they do more streams together because they have great chemistry in spite of the language barrier.

>>480770
incel autists get rustled by Kiara and her big rooster energy

>>477346
ogey you got me

>>480770
Shion reached 500k after 2 years of work, with her hoping to reach it before the end of the year. Kiara reached 500k after 2 months, and then pointed that out.

>>453975
I hope in the future a gen 2 that gets insane traction tweets this to one of chimkins milestones

oh god, I just search up what a schizoid is and this entire time I thought it was another word for retard. I unironically might be the word I use to insult people on this website... I... I gotta take my meds

Why is everyone seething over that tweet, you ever passed an exam with flying colors in uni and you celebrate with your friend?

It's just like that. Or are you all saying Kiara doesn't deserve the same happiness from her milestones as Shion because she hasn't been in Hololive for as long as her?

>>489184
More like
>Teenage child genius who early-enrolled in a senior-level uni class humblebrags that she got the same top score on the twitter page of an actual college senior classmate who is 22 to their 17
Like, cool, you're special and did as well as someone who's been around for a while. Why do you feel the need to point out how you did as well (or better) than them? Are you trying to impress all of their senior friends with how you're a genius prodigy? Can you not just congratulate them on their achievement without feeling obligated to make it about you in some way?

>>457593
>>459264
Why would chinese hate a phoenix and not a dragon?

>>457717
haato and ame are my favorite pair right after gurame because THEY ARE LOVERS

>>462281
Most Americans can't even tell the difference between half of them, and wouldn't care overly much if they could.

>>471820
>her route is pretty much the correct one to extend your channel
Her numbers suggest it isnt.

>>471820
>In fact, as much as Im worried about Kiara menheraness, her route is pretty much the correct one to extend your channel.
Incorrect. She did so many collabs that she's barely got any personality of herself. She's the japanese talking girl. She should do more stuff herself and come into her own instead. But at least from my perspective, it seems like she thinks continuing collabs is her way to stardom.

>>494559
Likewise. Burger accents are all the same monotone.

>>462281
>>494559
Idk, nobody can really understand Welsh accents, sometimes not even other Brits themselves iirc. Scottish is great, but the posh English accent is kinda annoying. You need the working class English accent. Forgot what it's called.
I can't tell county-to-county accents, but then again, I can't tell the difference between East and West accents here in the US

>>481652
While I think she should get on those nihon reps, Ame deserves props for having worked out collabs with multiple JP sempais with that barrier present.

>>453975
kek achieved what? chicken got that handed on a diamond platter

>>462989
>The Goofus Kiara makes it about herself when congratulating her senpai
>The Gallant Amelia congratulates her senpai and compliments them too

you guys are literally stupid if you think ame is autistic

>>462989
it's actually the opposite
kiara destroyed shion and asserted dominance, ame is the classic becky and chikin is 100% stacy