/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

What did we learn in the last thread?

>>46640015
>>46640037
i like flat OLs

>>46640015
that reminds me, i have a beauty mark on my left scrotum

>>46640015
SEX

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *
>32,268: Chiroru (Indie)
>31,269: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>28,630: Subaru (Hololive)
>24,208: Calliope (Hololive)
>21,702: Pekora (Hololive)
>20,328: Korone (Hololive)
>18,581: Okayu (Hololive)
>17,521: Mio (Hololive)
>17,053: Nene (Hololive)
>16,667: Kanata (Hololive)
>16,342: Koyori (Hololive)
>15,379: Koyori (Hololive)
>15,123: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>14,237: Rikiichi (Nijisanji)
>14,205: Patra (Nanashi inc)
>13,908: Laplus (Hololive)
>13,803: Hal (Neo Porte)
>13,632: Mumei (Hololive)
>13,001: Fubuki (Hololive)
>12,878: Watame (Hololive)
>12,086: Fauna (Hololive)
>11,965: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>11,630: Nagao (Nijisanji)
>11,524: Noel (Hololive)
>11,471: Nerumero (Indie)
>11,307: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>11,269: Tsukasa (Indie)
>10,975: Hayato (Nijisanji)
>10,615: Ange (Nijisanji)

>>46640085
EN3 is a myth

>>46639949
Because she is one of many, while he is the only one going well in something.

>>46640200
>APRIL 2023 GOLDS
1) Toya (Nijisanji) - 56,531 - Genderbent stream
2) Hal (Neo Porte) - 110,960 - VSaikyo 5 landmark lottery
3) Pekora (Hololive) - 95,630 - Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 w/Suisei
4) Chiroru (Indie) - 32,268 - Hanshin Tigers vs. Hiroshima watchalong

>PER COMPANY
1x: Hololive, Indie, Neo Porte, Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
1x: Chiroru, Hal, Pekora, Toya

>2023 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
72x: Hololive
15x: Nijisanji
4x: Indie
2x: Neo Porte
1x: VSPO

>PER STREAMER
28x: Pekora
9x: Marine
5x: Toya
4x: Miko, Subaru
3x: Hololive, Mio, Suisei
2x: Chiroru, Hal, Koyori, Kuzuha, Lamy, Nerumero, Nijisanji, Okayu, Towa
1x: Aqua, Ayame, Choco, Gaku, Gura, Himawari, Hinano, Ina, Kiara, Mito, Mori, Nozomi, Polka, Roco, Shion, Watame, Yashiro

>>46639710
Female viewers will always be more profitable than male viewers which Cover lacks, keeping that potential gap open would risk other vtuber groups from capitalizing them and threatens Cover's position as market leader that dictates the overall culture. It's also more diversification to an entirely new audience which makes the girls activities more stable in general. Obviously right now they are a net loss and an overall burden, but if they pull nijiJP males numbers whilst being isolated from the hololive girls then it's a net positive for your oshi as their revenues would also fund Cover projects and other overheads.
As long as the business, branding, and fandoms are isolated from one another, unicorn stands to gain if the stars project is a success.

>>46640207
>Vesper 140 men's - 31 women's
Checks out
>Bettel 170 men's - 100 women's
Checks out
>Altare 218 voice
Checks out

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY*

>4/4 DAILY TALLY
24,195: Mori (Hololive)
13,632: Mumei (Hololive)
12,086: Fauna (Hololive)
9,290: Baelz (Hololive)
7,042: Kronii (Hololive)
5,941: Shu (Nijisanji)
5,134: Luca (Nijisanji)


>EN GOLDS FOR APRIL 2023
1) Baelz (Hololive) - 10,729 - Unarchived Karaoke
2) Mori (Hololive) - 19,768 - Outfit Reveal
3) Baelz (Hololive) - 9,749 - Q Remastered
4) Mori (Hololive) - 24,195 - Birthday Stream

>PER COMPANY
4x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
2x: Baelz, Mori

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
10p: Baelz, Mori
4p: Fauna
3p: Luca, Ina, Mumei
1p: Kiara, Kronii, Axel

>>46640207
That actually sold pretty well is above both kronii and mori.

>>46640207
Men's? Is this like men buying panties for some fetish or is this male viewers?

>>46640342
Why lie.

This image reveals the truth

>>46640200
>>46640264
The absolute state of this thread taking convert channels into account now. Just more reason to completely disregard this retarded gold medal shit.

>>46640207
>More men's sold than women's
Faggotry is strong with this one.

>>46640332
>2023 EN GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
65x: Hololive
27x: Nijisanji
2x: Holostars

>PER STREAMER
11x: Mori
8x: IRyS, Baelz
7x: Amelia
6x: Vox, Mumei, Fauna, Ina, Gura
3x: Mysta, Pomu, Kiara, Kronii, Shu
2x: Selen
1x: Ike, Flayon, Alban, Elira, Luxiem, Finana, Millie, Luca, Regis, Enna, Rosemi, Hololive English, Ren

>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
80p: Fauna
67: Mori
65p: IRyS, Baelz
62: Ina
61p: Mumei
53p: Vox, Amelia
40p: Mysta
32p: Kiara
30p: Gura
29p: Luca
23p: Kronii
18p: Selen
17p: Shu
16p: Pomu
11p: Uki, Axel
9p: Millie, Enna, Ike
8p: Finana
7p: Regis
6p: Elira, Rosemi, Ren
5p: Flayon, Alban, Luxiem, Hololive English
4p: Vesper, Fulgur
3p: Sonny, Hakka, Magni
1p: Meloco, Shinri, Gavis, Maria, Pippa, Nina

Oh the seething nijinigger is still here

>>46640454
Who?

>>46640368
Um, wheres the bois?!

>>46640368
Holoi proi? wtf am i supposed to see here?

>>46640368
I'd buy Ruinee's glasses and have my optometrist refit them with a polarized sunglass

>>46640454
That doesn't narrow it down much

>>46640200
This kills the Nijikek

>>46640394
That's like saying holofags are lesbian girls if holoEN does the same merchs and more women underwears are sold

>>46640394
Who fucking buys underwear of their oshi to wear? Them having sold more males says that it's mostly female buying.

>>46640301
Homos are never a net positive, because they bring worst kind of people that ever existed with themselves. Homobeggars.

>>46640354
It's either male viewers or big ol' healthy girls. Or girls who don't want to wear them but instead want to "own" their oshi's underwear.
People were posting at the time about the idea of HoloEN selling panties and, yeah, that would sell like gangbusters and almost none of them would be to women, so...

>>46640234
And also, Scarle doesn’t really provide any rhetorical points for anons. Bettel provides rhetorical fodder for both Tempus fans who want to prove their existence is a good strategy and for anti-collabers who want to prove that not interacting with the girls is the only realistic way to expand your audience as a male over the long run.

>>46640301
>As long as the business, branding, and fandoms are isolated from one another
Yeah which isn't what is happening rn

Why is Aki playing ARK at 5AM

>>46640301
>As long as the business, branding, and fandoms are isolated from one another, unicorn stands to gain if the stars project is a success
Wrong. Even if all those things were true AND Tempiss had been a success, they would still have represented nothing but a loss to unicorns because they cost another HoloEN gen.

>>46640207
>Axel (Women) - 17 the lowest
thats what he gets by thirsting in every single stream and only talking about how cute he is and different girls he hangs out with

>>46640229
No, EN1 is Myth

>>46640200
>32,268: Chiroru (Indie)
>31,269: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)

>>46640565
Scarle makes a lot of money but is otherwise very lackluster. She's a borderline 3view. There's not much to talk about with her. Bettel gets discussed way too much but all Tempus gets discussed way too much, at least he's the "top" one of his Gen.

>>46640608
Judging by these numbers, the dude is literally the runt of all Tempus.
Or his design sucks. I think I remember seeing it being bright orange with a furry tail on the ass so yeah, that doesn't help.

>>46640579
How new?

>>46640652
>@GawrGura•4.3M subscribers
>@Cookieswirlc19.4M subscribers

>>46640723
I don't see a live tab there bitch

>>46640697
Fujos leaving him because of his lust for fat dragon ass.

>>46640394
It's just women double dipping to support the homos. Vocal minority

>>46640723
Man, I like Cookie, I wish more of EN scene was like her

>>46639949
Sisters camp out here to defend their flops

>>46640723
Holy rent free.

[Sad News] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Bj1AMNw2M

I bet my balls on you never touching Minecraft again don’t do this to me Mori

>>46640301
>but if they pull nijiJP males numbers whilst being isolated from the hololive girls
kek, that's a statement equivalent to "but if you consider a triangle as a shape with four right angles, then...".
It kills any chance of advancing the reasoning because the premise is flawed
>unicorn stands to gain if the stars project is a success.
They stands to gain if they're a failure as well, as long as the second half of your pre condition holds true and they are "isolated from the hololive girls" which, for this hypothetical unicorn, is the only thing that they would care about.
I maintain my point, unicorns wouldn't care one way or another about streamers from some other agency or their audience, their only concern (for this hypothetical unicorn) is that their favorites won't collab with members of the opposite sex.

Anything other than that is just you projecting your wishes on said hypothetical creature

>>46640394
Or just fat women since the only difference is the size.

How this will affect the Nintendo permissions?

>>46640264
>1x: Hololive, Indie, Neo Porte, Nijisanji
Beautiful balance.

>>46640603
It is not a loss to male unicorns though unless you count opportunity loss. But then it goes both ways.

>>46640342

>>46640697
Fujos leave him cause he flirts with other girls.

>>46640207
Where's the rest of it?

>>46640880
she will do it if the homos invite her to their server for a collab

We love Gyaru Wamy here, your shitpost using her is not appreciated negro

>>46640558
>>46640575
Which goes back to my point
>If tempus/stars can't get audience outside of the girls' boxes then they're better off disbanded
There's no pretending that Cover's execution is horse shit.
They need to cultivate these audience isolated from one another since female idolfags and male idolfags (which should be cover's target audience) despises the other and doesn't want to do anything with each other.

>>46640603
If Cover were more competent, they would have no problem debuting EN3 and more EN gens at a favorable pace while developing their Stars branch. The failure to do so is a critic of Cover's management and execution rather than the strategy of diversificating their audience.

>>46640960
Rest of what? That's literally it for the April Fool's merch

>>46640946
What font is that?

>>46640793
I don't even understand why they even have a women version? What women would even wear those? It's like those superhero underwear, ok if your a kid but you would die of embarrassment if your over 18.

>>46640697
anon, no normal fan are buying these underwears.... these are hardcore yumes buying it and for them the design dont matter.... so far Axel has the least and Bettel has the most

>>46640723
Streams doko

>>46640946
We really need the Geekjack numbers. Feels like the only reason people are even using the Jp site is to get the limited stuff.

>>46640942
It's an unnecessary step.

From an unicorn perspective there is no distinction between
>As long as the business, branding, and fandoms are isolated from one another, unicorn stands to gain if the stars project is a success
and
>As long as the business, branding, and fandoms are isolated from one another, unicorn stands to gain if the stars project is a failure
because, as long as the business, branding, and fandoms are isolated from one another, their goals were already met.

>>46640880
Mori is doing a whiplash strat
>Monopoly collab > CGDCT song > Uno collab > Back to minecraft
Piss off idolfags/CGDCT dudes, please them, piss them off, please them again

Hololive should follow Idolmaster

https://twitter.com/SideM_GS/status/1643209920479899650

>>46641072
Please do not compare SideM to Holostars. The im@s fanbase as a whole either ignored them or loved them. It's genuinely not the same thing.

>>46640977
So next time time add "AND if Cover was competent" to your long laundry list of if's for your hypothetical scenario where homos are something beyond a liability and an eyesore.

>>46640946
>under the assumption

>>46640723
Where are her streams?

>>46641144
Yes, because unfortunately she dropped it mid stream and not the top of the hour so no one checked before it sold out

>>46641145
Which one?

>>46640770
>>46641057
There's no need to be a streamer, newtards.

>>46641066
Please who? That audience doesn't watch Mori anymore.

>>46640880
she will do it, say goodbye to your balls

>>46641058
I bought the Fagni underwear because I watch him and I wear underwear and his pants are like funny novelty boxers

>>46641196

>>46641112
They follow the same strategy of leeching from the more popular girl side to prop up sideM. How anyone think that all idol fags are the same and that you can convert female idol fan to male idol fan, is anyone guess.

>management general
Finally a thread that will be dumber than /#/

>>46641219
Well they clearly watched Kawaikute Gomen, since it outperformed so hard. That was the HoloEN box/JP box/old deadbeats who had left coming back to check it out

>>46640723
I don't understand this CookieSwirl shitpost. She is a vtuber, a convert, but it is dishonest to use her subs to be used to compare with the subs of vtubers from birth, especially since the major bulk of her subs are not generated from her vtubing career.

>>46640880
Big ass doubt, if she does, ill stop antiing her, and i mean like 3 or 4 decent sized streams, no just 1 and done

>>46640207
When did Axel become the runt of the entire branch? I thought tempoop was doing worse than him except for the clown

>>46641344
No one wants to watch an unironic fuckboy

>>46641189
Cookieswirl obviously. Gura has a live tab with streams. Does Cookieswirl have any streams?

>>46640901
NijiJP males numbers aren't that far fetched anon, they're doing like 6k-7k medians which has been achieved by tempiss albeit on debut buff. If they get more Astel and Roberu but in EN and develop a new box of sisters themselves that numbers are perfectly reasonable.
But yes, unicorn has little to lose if the project went into ashes other than more noises and pressure from casuals/homobeggars behaving like niggers. Although it would effect their numbers since EN audience does still have a good proportion of these people in their streams as evidence by chat constantly Collab begging. So that'd probably led to even more recline in numbers all around for a few months or so, most particularly subscriber numbers.

>>46641344
He was always the runt, just not in term of ccvs.

>>46640200
Dashing swiftly through the wind blowin’ from Rokko
Like the big sun soaring in the clear blue sky
Mighty spirit of the youth shows the victor’s grace
The name that shines in glory “Hanshin Tigers”
Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Hanshin Tigers
Go, Go, Go, Go!

Powerful hits and skillful pitch achieved a thousand times
Trained with every discipline here at Koshien
Crowned with constant victory glorious, matchless feat
Always proud, invincible “Hanshin Tigers”
Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Hanshin Tigers
Go, Go, Go, Go!

https://youtu.be/um-BH7hPp4w

>>46641292
>They follow the same strategy of leeching from the more popular girl side to prop up sideM.
Except that wasn't fucking true. SideM was initially propped up by Jupiter, which after the initial blowback thanks to Bamco being retarded became tolerated at worst. Dramatic Stars and SEM being great helped, and then when they released F-LAGS more people gave it a chance because of Ryo. They actually straight up didn't leech off the girls at ALL.

>>46641319
Dude just salty since King couldn't get gold today

>>46641319
The entire point is shitting on Gura/“holobronies”

>>46641313
>they clearly watched Kawaikute Gomen
And nothing else. Why's that? Say it for me.

>>46641319
>i don't understand why shitposters would misrepresent things in order to make people mad and respond to them

>>46641403
Then in terms of what? He even hit 200k subs before Fagni due to the Vsaikyo buff

>>46640946
I really don't believe these numbers where the limited set always sells out instantly but the normal set sales are that anemic

>>46641319
She gained 2m subs ever since the vtuber debut and mogged every single Council midget.

>>46641344
>disrespected his yumes several times
>mediocre streaming content
>irregular timeslot

>>46641439
Because it's CGDCT content? Which is also what minecraft is. What point do you think I was making with my original post anyway

>>46641469
She can start a vtuber channel then

>>46641469
Haishin doko?

>>46641196

>>46641465
$140 shipping for Kronii
$100 shipping for Mori
$70 shipping for Fauna
Gaijins, after the initial limited rush, probably fuck off to geekjack

>>46641126
My original post started with a critic to Cover's incompetence anon.

>>46641450
Merch sales before T2 he was at the bottom with ccvs as well.

>>46641465
AFAIK you can only get the limited sets from Cover's store but the normal sets you can buy from Geekjack with much cheaper shipping to the US so most people probably buy the normal sets from Geekjack which we don't have data for

>>46641469
Is it generated from her vtubing career or as an extension of her pre-vtubing content?

>>46641476
That you were pretending that the one song pulling good numbers means that the huge portion of her fanbase that checked out months ago has magically returned.

>>46641292
The reason these companies have bought into it is because of the woke mind virus. They truly believe men and women are the same and enjoy the same things. Hence, the only reason men aren't interested in the male entertainers is because they aren't aware they exist.

>>46641589
So you're saying the data is literally worthless at best and utterly missleading in other cases?

>>46641650
Yes, but that has never stopped /#/

>>46641465
What ?
The whole point of a merch run is to get the limited set, because you can actually get signed item by your oshi, no shit it's flying off the shelf, and that's not even taking scrapper into account.
The rest of the merch are most of the time useless junk

>>46641541
Have to be specific about the part where debuting eight homos doesn't automatically exclude the possibility of debuting a single girl.

How would (You) fix the shipping cost?

>>46641650
It's probably a better gauge of the foreign market or the likeability of specific merch than anything else.

>>46641617
Yeah well your inference isn't really supported by the actual text of my post, and is colored by your hatred of Mori.
I just said that the box and old fans checked out her CGDCT song, which they literally did. That's a fact. In the post before that, I said she was doing stuff that crowd will like (CGDCT songs, minecraft) mixed with shit they won't (fucking Vesper collabs).
All of the rest you've just filled in due to your biases.

>>46641650
People have been pointing that out from the beginning. Doesn't stop shitposters using it as ammo though.

>>46641693
Numbernigging never stops

>>46641589
>Geekjack with much cheaper shipping to the US
Burger here. It's $3 cheaper compared to the official store. Still not going to pay almost double the item in 1-day EMS express shipping.

>>46641196

>>46641619
I don't know how these long term companies after all this time don't know their audience, or some fucking common sense. It really feels like nowadays common sense is a superpower.

>>46641707
Just don't make it a fucking 1 day shipping. People are already waiting 6 months for merch, they can wait an extra week when it finally ships out

>>46641465
Anon I know sometimes it's hard to take seriously, but these girls are in fact idols. Yes people will rush to get their signatures.

>>46641064
A failure may lead for Cover to try again but with an attempt to leech off the girls. A success would mean the males have their own thing and would not need to leech off the girls anymore.

>>46641698
Anon, no one would ever do a "limited run" of 1000 units if they usually sell a few hundred

>>46640368
anyer eyes is as jarring as irys' og model

>>46641650
yes

>>46641716
I'm sorry but how the fuck would any "old fan" of Mori be into CGDCT songs?

>>46641707
bulk sea freight then distribution points per continent handled by regional couriers, reduces costs and that 6 month waiting would significantly go down

>>46641650
Using it as a be all end all popularity thing is fucking retarded, but it is nice to see how much money they made even if it's half

>>46641707
However the fuck Aliexpress does it.

>>46641868
Old fan of Myth maybe
Kawaiiope was a thing... for a moment

>>46641868
Mori used to be CGDCT, of the gap moe variety. The whole reason it's appealing for her to sing kawaikute gomen is because it's gap moe for the rapper reaper tomboy girl to sing the cute song about being unapologetically and aggressively cute and girly.

>>46641905
>even if it's half
>half

>>46641260
>>46641533
>>46641753
never fucking post in this thread ever again

>>46641950
Please don't be retarded, I didn't mean literally half.

>>46641774
The people in charge change over time. The people who made the company successful slowly leave or get replaced by younger individuals who don't understand demographics, or worse purposefully try to sink the company for ideological reasons.

>>46641650
Incomplete data > made up guesses

>>46641983

the fundamental issue is that female and male fans are different and if cover caters to female fans, we will leave in mass. look at kpop. girl groups just 10 years ago were meant for men and men only. it was until globalization and female fans proving that they are way more profitable that males left in mass as they weren’t catered to anymore. and that catering? girl group albums, fanmeetings, and fanservice, were vanished. this will theoretically happen with cover with the way things are going if holostars and tempiss were successful. but luckily for us they aren’t. the kpop fans went back to their homes after the pandemic ended. but not only are they a net loss but they are still catered too! a worse fate

>>46641983

>>46641774
It called market expanstion anon trying to get new consumer into your product.

This is now the Baseball thread. Seethe Holobronies and Nijifags. My oshi will continue to take all the golds. The NPB season is long after all.

>>46641059
>>46641589
Geekjack also has limited sets although at usually 5-10% of the stock in holoshop. It's a indication oh how low the sales in gj usually is

>>46642018
Well no, wrong data is arguably worse than no data

>>46641707
Start making phone calls to logistics companies in the US and rent some warehouse space somewhere. Get some advice from actual state-side professionals.
I don't know about the rest of the world but fuck them anyway, unless they buy a huge portion of shit (which Cover can tell from their analytics) in which case try to fix that as well.

The nijisisters weren't kidding

>>46641650
>worthless at best
Only if you want to see the whole picture. However, it captures the big picture on the limited set.
I had a bait in mind about fans choosing to buy merch at holopro store even though it is available in geekjack are smooth-brained, and it has implications to their oshi.

>>46642090
>Geekjack also has limited sets although at usually 5-10% of the stock in holoshop
Do you have a single source to back that up?

>>46642094
>YouTube numbers
How new

>>46641983
Can you remind me where they are again? Oh yeah, 6 feet under

>>46642098
I see nijisister did what they do best.
Dox

For anyone still in denial about how fucked EN shipping sales must be, there's a nigh daily whine thread about it on reddit

>>46641650
Holoshop data should account for 90% of the sales according to how little they stock on gj (and toko for holoID).

>>46642098
qrd on why they are targeting her?

>>46642098
Nijisisters are insane.

>>46642181
What the fuck are you on about, Geekjack is also made to order.

>>46642169
how much money actually goes to my oshii then?

>>46642185
She defended Reimu and shat on Vox and then got connected to someone else who did that and now they want her head

>>46642149
Yes youtube numbers are basically worthless.
The only good read we have is SC and that's extremely limited

>>46642185
Talked shit about Luxiem. That's grounds for doxxing and harassing someone off the internet to sisters.

>>46642084
The only way Chiroru has a chance to win golds is for the matches to stretch into the 9th inning.

>>46642220
Obviously none of the shipping money goes to anyone on Cover's side so your oshi gets a fraction of the poster's price ($8)

>>46641402
>NijiJP males numbers aren't that far fetched anon, they're doing like 6k-7k medians which has been achieved by tempiss
Mate, you are absolutely delusional and likely innumerate!
Even HoloEN for the most part aren't doing 7k median, the only active streamers in the EN market with a 7k+ median on youtube public streams in March are
>Gura (not in this chart), Fauna, Ina, Mumei and IRyS
with the caveat that Gura had 4 public streams, Ina and Mumei, 5 public streams.
The only streamers with the same frequency of streams as StarsEN over even 6k are Fauna and IRys.
Even Luxiem at their height, out of the five only Vox and Mysta had moments ahead of that threshold and that was at the peak of the "Luxiem craze".
Shibuya Hal doesn't currently have a 7k median and he just had two 100k+ streams very recently. It doesn't matter, there are eleven NijiJP boys ahead of him in median.

>If they get more Astel and Roberu
They could stack Roberu, Astel and Gavis medians, add them together and it wouldn't add up to 7k.
Barring an absolute Gura-tier miracle there is no way Homos can pull that off.

>Although it would effect their numbers since EN audience does still have a good proportion
No it doesn't. It also doesn't have any significant proportion of "unicorns", they're both just represented by very vocal very persistent very vociferous elements.

The great majority of the Myth audience and the great majority of CouncilrYS audience and the great majority of the Hololive audience in general wants one thing and one thing alone
>the same experience they fell in love it when they started watching vtubers

Fubuki audience wants Fubuki to continue doing exactly as she always did, Ayame's audience Ayame, Towa's audience Towa, Kronii's audience Kronii and so on and so forth.

Parts of Towa's audience would likely resent if she started passing on chances to play FPS because she had a change of heart and decided she no longer wants to play with boys in the lobby and, in the same way, parts of Kronii audience resented when she pulled her stunt.
That wouldn't make that part of Towa's audience "homobeggars" or that part of Kronii audience "unicorns", but just audience already had what they wanted in a streamer and then got it taken away.

It's not hard to understand: you know what is already working? Don't fuck with it. Wanting that doesn't make one side "homobeggar" or the other side "unicorn", from the perspective of the current audience
>just don't fix what is not broken

>>46642169
fucking karma for debuting the homos fagoo

>>46642050
I understand market expansion but you can expand in a way that doesn't hurt your golden goose. Your brand should always be protected so that if the expansion fails, you still have your golden eggs.

>>46642125
If you doesn't have skill issue buying from holoshop is also preferable than gj anon.
If anything, low holoshop numbers indicates skill issue among that Holo fanbase.

>>46642098
Who?
But also, never post negative stuff about vtubers on an account linked to your real identity. This fanbase breeds schizos because of the whole parasocial aspect, people are so much more invested in their oshi than any other fandom. I don't make it a habit of shitting on people's oshis or whatever anyway, but if I wanted to do that, it would be in an entirely clean twitter and YT account.

>>46642181
Anon limited selling out quicker on Geekjack could just mean more demand if we assume equal stock

Dangerously cute.

>>46642212
I'm talking about limited sets of available anon.

>>46642098
Defending Reimu is a Niji anti, Nijisisters said.

>>46642185
She dared to criticize Vox.
>The horror! -t. nijisisters, probably

>>46642241
And SCs aren't indicative of anything because a few people can dump thousand of dollars per stream or not, just because

>>46642125
Reshipper GODS still buy from the official shop.
The only thing that bugs me about it is that my purchase will look like a Japanese one in Cover's analytics, so my demographic won't get real credit for the buy unless they're smart and detect the reshipper addresses for their data analysis. Which I seriously doubt.

>>46642300
We know they have lower limited sets in gj (and toko for ID) because we can see the stocks there

>>46642169
>Good news for Calli specifically since it looks like that’s the poster you’re talking about- buying her merch through her own shop is great.
>Shipping on the New Underworld Order Blu-Ray was only like $6 for me.
IT'S NOT FAIR WHAT ABOUT FAUNA'S MERCH?

>>46642290
Sisters posted this account and another twitter account that self-identifies as an anti-NijEN account and linked them. Idk if sisters dug much deeper than that.

>>46640880
>numbers go bye
>boot up minecraft
Never gets old kek.

>>46642050
gaining 10 by losing 100, fucking great

>>46642398
Send it to a forwarder or just perish.

>>46641465
It cost me $30-40 dollars shipping on Geekjack and $100 on the Holostore

>>46642241
SCs are also incomplete since they miss SC on members stream.

>>46642254
The homos could do well if they were good but unfortunately they're all shit. Kuzuha does well and he has plenty of normal male fans, in theory Cover could have a branch of good male vtubers who managed to get a new audience outside of holo simps, it's just that 99% of all male vtubers are dogshit

>>46642398
Next year when cover finally gets a U.S. warehouse

>>46642423
Just like Fauna, yeah.

>>46642236
>>46642242
>>46642348
Jesus, saying Luxiem is bad for vtubing is no longer a meme. They are legit bad for vtubing. There is something fundamentally rotten with Luxiem and their fans. The entire hobby would be better off if they just go away.

>>46641469
I like how you can tell this is a Nijifag shitpost because they're obsessed with Council, while an equal opportunity shitposter would focus on how that number mogs almost all of the top tier JPs

>>46641650
It’s useful to set a absolute minimum on units sold but anyone extrapolating is a retard.

>>46642468
>muh kuzuha
people comparing JP audiences for vtubers with EN are genuinely mentally ill

>>46642501
>There is something fundamentally rotten with Luxiem and their fans.
Chinks

>>46642496
And shitrys since she claimed to hate it as well.

>>46642386
I doubt the number of reshippers are significant enough since it's a mental hassle. But still, it skews their data.

>>46642365
Well no SC are extremely straightforward about what they indicate.
How much money the streamer receives

>>46641707
>How would (You) fix the shipping cost?
>>46641777
>Just don't make it a fucking 1 day shipping
That's not what is making it more expensive, it's "volumetric weight", meaning it is not just the mass of the object being shipped but also their 3 dimensions (height, width and depth).
>>46641922
>However the fuck Aliexpress does it.
They're likely making bulk reservations to the tune of tens of millions of dollars in shipping to get special conditions.

Shipping is currently fucked up, ten years ago an individual could get an entire container to ship a single bicycle from china to the western world on the cheap.
After 2020 and various logistics problems (for the most part disconnected from the pandemics) made it a motherfucking hassle to get even enough space in a container for refrigerators already bought and paid for in bulk by retailers.
Shipping cost went sky high and if you don't wnat to wait until 2025 to get the products you customers already bought now you (as the distributor) are paying a hefty premium for shipment.

For COVER to solve it **if they trust the North American market**, they would have to do a HUGE leap of faith, make partnerships with local logistic companies and ship their merch IN BULK, ahead of time to their final destinations.
Think of getting a full container full of merch ahead of time to North America based warehouses and distributing from there.
On one hand it would solve their problem, OTOH their current model is risk free because things are made to order for the most part so it is a tradeoff

>>46642050
One thing is to expand your market, another is to try to twist your flagship product into different markets

>>46642463
That's defacto irrelevant

>>46642254
b-but this thai homo has a 7k+ median. it can happen

>>46642037
Female Kpop groups are still huge anon, what are you talking about?
They do less and less fan meetups and etc not because their male groups are blowing up, but because physical meeting were not scalable at the first place

>>46641922
China is listed as a developing country so they get massive discounts in international shipping (paid for by your tax dollars).

>>46642521
The potential is there, EN vtubing just needs to stop being shit. No one has put as much effort into the EN market as the big JP agencies put into the JP market, the market won't magically grow itself. HoloJP and NijiJP have big hype events drawing in casual viewers almost every week, HoloEN has 10 girls streaming random indie games 3 times per week and occasionally waking up at 4 AM to be a sideshow in a JP event, the fact that people aren't watching that isn't proof that there isn't a big EN market, it's proof that you can't just put the hololive logo on a mediocre solo minecraft stream and expect holoJP numbers out of nowhere

>>46642098
>>46642290
>never post negative stuff about vtubers on an account linked to your real identity
She fucked around and found out because she thought simply having separated accounts were an assurance that she wouldn't be found out but
>OPSec is hard, let's go shopping!

>>46642576
>SCs are indicative of much SCs the streamer* receives
*Not including JewTube + corpo cuts
Very helpful, thanks a lot

>>46642398
I’m sure UMG will sign FauFau soon

>>46642621
I hope vstats incorporates them, or at least the vrabi general.

>>46642630
they are huge due to their female fans. newjeans being the top dog with 90% female fans is an example

>>46642140
If you want to see it at the source, wait for the next merch drop at gj and check how much stocks is available to buy there, or you can also check the archives everytime merch anon reports how much stocks are on holoshop/gj/toko

>>46642707
orion and plave need to be incorporated as they mog most corpo homos out of the water despite their region debuff

>>46640301
>Female viewers will always be more profitable than male viewers
do you have ANY proof of this? I mean Vtubing is completely dominated by females appealing to male fans. Streaming in general seems the same situation with brotubers dominating the market. Luxiem and Shoto only seem impressive because they pretty much have monopoly on that market but if we were to combine every female chuuba vs them we know it wouldn't even be close.
>It's also more diversification to an entirely new audience
or maybe they could invest on HoloEN and try at least to bring them back to their glory days. Instead of chasing a fickle audience that might not even be there.
>unicorn stands to gain if the stars project is a success
they absolutely fucking don't because we know Cover would 100% pull a Nijisanji the moment stars become even slightly succesful. We've seen it with the whole HoloPro crap and mixed collab months how bad things can turn. It took both HoloEN and Tempiss to recline to their absolute lowest point ever for Cover to slowly back down.
Also NijiEN literally proves that everything you said is wrong.

>>46642098
post it on vyt and title it "Holofan is harassed and doxed by nijifans for not liking Vox"

>>46642817
>post it on vyt

>>46642621
>it can happen
As people mentioned, single language streamers have a massive advantage over english speaking streamers due to concentration of the market, reason for which Brazilians, Spaniards of various nationalities, Japanese and Koreans manage to pull such feats.
Sometimes all it takes is to become a "big fish in a small pond", like I assume this thai to be, and you're the biggest in your region because you're the only big one in your region

>>46642817
It'd just be deleted within 5 minutes. Can't have anything that portrays Nijisanji fans in a bad light!

>>46642090
>It's a indication oh how low the sales in gj usually is
No, it's an indication of how low the sales in GJ usually WERE

Shipping wasn't always fucked, word of mouth didn't always travel so fast. Cover is slow to react. I 100% guarantee that unless the japs are pulling a lot of weight in merch sales, most of them are through geekjack at the moment

>>46642098
Jesus christ why are luxiem whores so insane?

>>46642817
The doxsisters would get the hero treatment if you did that

>>46642468
>The homos could do well if they were good
No they couldn't, they would have to be good and terribly lucky
>Kuzuha does well and he has plenty of normal male fans
That's just a gender bent company bent version of what
>lol, just get a streamer like Gura
is for the EN market.

>>46642948
>they would have to be good and terribly lucky
Do you know any vtubers who have been consistently making good content and who have failed to incline?

>>46642904
You only need to wait the next time an EN Holo drop their merch with limited stock to confirm whether your assumptions are right. If the number still sits around 5-10% of holoshop stock, then the shipping fees doesn't affect gj sales that much (people either ponied it up, or went for reshipping instead).

>>46643036
90% of /wvt/

>>46642664
Why are nijisisters so fickle and insane?

>>46643036
>Do you know any vtubers who have been consistently making good content and who have failed to incline?
lol, not really and for a simple reason which is obvious if you pay attention to where you are.
This thread wouldn't even know of even the best streamer to have ever streamed if he's a 2 views midget.

>>46643113
lmao

>>46643166
he wouldn't be 2 view if that were the case

>>46643146
Truth be told it's not just nijisisters targetting containment breakers that fuck around with their favorites
I see no problem with that

>>46643036
IRyS and my 3view saioshi

>>46640085
There is alot of sisters, troons and gays trying to defend the clown homo while pretending to be unicorns

>>46643094
Or they'll keep most of the limited goods on the holoshop because they don't have to pay vendor fee there

>>46643146
wtf did she even say?
This in my opinion is the number 1 reason to gatekeep Tempus as hard as fucking possible, keep these psychopaths out of my goddamn fanbase

New holonews issue!
https://twitter.com/HoloNewsEN/status/1643261292998803457

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFfdIqizA_g
Lap-chan soon.

>>46643209
he would if he was unlucky, hence the "and terribly lucky"

>>46642664
>she thought simply having separated accounts were an assurance
Doxsister, there was no hard proof of the accounts being from the same person. Fuck off with that opsec bullshit.

So tomorrow is the A-chan HoloEN stream or I mixed up with something else?
More HoloConnect announcement?

>>46643216
And yet it's always nijisisters and women doing this.

What is that mental illness?
https://twitter.com/JJ_SpaceCat_No2/status/1642094295737069570
https://twitter.com/JJ_SpaceCat_No2/status/1638884756648779779
https://twitter.com/JJ_SpaceCat/status/1643282223922290689
>Another Nijitard trying to shit things up

>>46643241
this account was linked to another account that was solely shitting on NijiCN and all of that was due to speculation, like certain images and sentence structures having similarities but nothing clear cut, you can check the /#/ archives and you'll find it

>>46643268
>read in the first two lines: "Uproar (incorrectly written): 50k views (implying it's a song milestone)"
>make a mental note to find it later and leave a dislike
>look for the "unsubscribe" button but there is none on 4chan
>turn 360 and walk away

>>46643241
Doesn't like luxiem, so she needs to be harassed off the internet. Typical nijinigger behaviour.

>>46641313
Anon Mori's Kawaiikute Gomen only got numbers because she marketed it towards JOPs. It's the current Japanese FOTM, and she put a Japanese title on it as well, why do you think it did so well? It caught the Holo "music" Box, the ones that repeat Holo music but only occasionally show up for streams.
Her EN CGDCT audience has LONG since been filtered, and are VERY unlikely to come back, since she was given two chances and blew them BOTH.
t. former deadbeat

>>46642602
>>46642427
>>46642264
You have to look at it from hololive perspective and you can't run a business without taking a gamble now and then. Both reddit and twitter were both asking for male vtubers from hololive so there a demand like there was demand for en speaking female talents back in the day. Plus they were en management big project for 2022 year and after council did well they probably thought tempus could follow the hype and there were decent demand. I also think they expected for more of the en girls to be welcoming to the boys with talents saying their a part of the family and things are going to changed but most of the girls ignored them. Since at the point they expected tempus to be on par with council they had another gen ready to go but nobody could have predicted the shitstorm it would cost.

the egg cooks the rice.

Cover sure is being flippant with the prep for these Connect the World ticket sales. Not even a peep and I don't think the collab stream has even showed on any schedules either? Wtf are they doing over there

we love deadbeats here

>>46643268
>Jouya Repaint 1M
About time.

>>46643036
I mean, the counterpoint is Gura pre vs post Holo. They're both viral sensations, except the only people who cared about HER streams were a gaggle of Discord schizos. There's a reason that anon added the,
>and terribly lucky
It's like the near-certainty that there are thousands of Einstein-level geniuses running around right now that you will never hear about, because they will never get the resources and opportunities that Einstein had to be able to express his genius.

>>46643459
>so there a demand like there was demand for en speaking female talents back in the day.
Back in the days there was an enormous ecosystem translating pretty much every single stream by the Holo girls into english with such a fervor it broke the youtube algorithm and turned it into a "rabbit hole".
Holostars? They at most get "own the unicorns" clippers like Oboretai

>>46643239
If vendor fees were that much of an issue and they wanted all sales to go through holoshop as much as possible they wouldn't have stocked any limited sets on gj in the first place. It's there so that fans can access it, if stocks were unchanged on gj that means no significant growth of sales in gj occured.

>>46642468
this >>46642521
Vtubers are absolutely normalfag tier in Japan. They have their faces plastered on fucking billboards and day to day products. Their numbers are far more impressive when you take into account that they speak an obscure language that is completely irrelevant outside of their small islands.
On the other hand in the west the corporate enviroment and gay anime avatar are not enough to compete with the top fleshtubers. If anything it's a huge disadvantage and there is a reason every male vtuber is just a fujobaiting fag appealing to horny women.

>>46641983
> one dead
> one undead
this isn't the "own" you think it is anon...

>>46643459
>Running a restaurant
>Some people are asking for more vegan meals
>Rather than adding them as separate entries in menu you randomly switch out mean for tofu

>>46643473
It’ll be like the amongus collab where management last minute panic messages Kiara to organize a collab at a shit time for her to advertise something.

>>46643358
One shared pic actually convinced me. The coincidence of timing is too near to be called a coincidence.

>>46643459
You don't fool me, shitposter.

>>46643094
>You only need to wait the next time an EN Holo drop their merch with limited stock to confirm whether your assumptions are right
What fucking part of Cover is slow to react don't you get.

And that's assuming they don't have contracts with GJ/DHL in store that can't be quickly altered. The amount of fucking shit you people type with confidence despite having not even a fraction of the info is baffling to me.

>>46643473
There is no hype of anything. Like they says it is going to be a thing and then left it for two weeks without any details. We should get some soon but them not putting it out after the fes is weird.

Reminder that up to date the following was holoearth's gameplay
>Spamming stamps in chat
>Entering pillars of light
>Trying to get panty shots of floating girl
>Throwing you loads at AZKi and Mori
>Looking at pictures and blowing leaves
>Wonky parkour

>>46642817
> posting in ChinkMaple's kingdom
it's just gonna get nuked in 2 mins

>>46642817
Chiness niji mod will ban you and delete it.

>>46643739
It's still going to sell out, but fans who don't obsessively hang out on Twitter or /hlgg/ or a discord or /#/ are going to miss out if they don't give at least a day of notice

>>46640200
>Mori can't nake the podium with a 3D Birthday on one of the weakest days of the year so far
Holy fucking grim

>>46642496
Doesn't this also apply to the low tier JPs pulling big numbers off this arc?

>>46643347
> 0 likes
お前の投稿流すのはやめろ

>>46643570
viewers are very much male dominated too. most of the female idolfags that watch livestreams already have their own services to contact their real groups that is not yt or twitch. not to mention that anime, believe it or not, is still not popular among most western women. this leaves male vtubers to have a huge debuff in their audience. girls would rather see bts on weverse than their oshii on youtube

>>46643570
Vtubers weren't born big in Japan, they grew to that size through constant effort and investment from the big agencies. When HoloJP had as many members as HoloEN has today they were less popular than the EN holos are right now. The EN market today is basically the JP market in fucking 2018. The potential for growth is still there, it's the content that isn't.

>>46643827
Mori as a streamer is a has been. She's lucky that her music is still doing well.

>>46640301
He will never reach that homobeggar. His numbers are shit by every standard including sc, he’s barely breaking 30k with how often he streams and this is his first few months. Vox made 100k when he was at the same range as magni and then the rest of luxiem did it with him. Most girls approach or break 100k as long as they stream consistently during their first monthS. Aletta/Oceanne don’t compare to anyone in numbers including him but they can also outperform him. His merch might not even match starsjp. Stop hyping him up he’s not good in anyway

So from pure curiosity, do you guys know any chuuba that moved to Twitch from youtube and didn't become a whore?

>>46643672
I'd note it but I would be dismissive of it unless they can provide definitive proof that those 2 accounts are owned by one person then it's just the voices in their heads

>>46643913
Wasn’t that also a coordinated effort from all his paypigs? I remember they were trying to get him into the top 5 that month.

>>46643775
>>46643757
then making a tread on catalog and sending it to dramafags would suffice

>>46643857
i mean no one even bothered to respond from here

>>46644010
Yeah, they were tying to do that.

>>46643857
YWNBJ, fuckwit

HOLY SHIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VhN6L3g1vQ

>>46644162
Slowpokechama...

>>46642801
At this point I think homobeggars are either nijiniggers or vshitjo audience.

>>46644162
Really unnecessary to have Kanata there. She'll be relegated to third wheel.

>>46643737
>And that's assuming they don't have contracts with GJ/DHL in store that can't be quickly altered
>limited sets stock contract
You're literally pulling this shit out of your ass now. that's a very specific and unconventional clause for a contract I'm sure you have a strong evidence to say so.

>Cover is slow
What kind of bureaucracy is needed to change stocks allotments to better represent current demand, these things are made to order and designed to be flexible to begin with. If you still insist they are somehow that slow, then at least pick a timeframe/date at which they can properly adjust to the issue.
If you won't even do that you're basically just denying any visible data that can potentially reject your baseless assumptions at this point.

Dangerous Mumei smell

>>46640880
>Sees 3D live numbers
>"Good news guys I'm playing Minecraft again!"
Seeing her throw away her pride to try to climb back into the Holobox after spurning it for homoshit is incredibly satisfying.

>>46643902
Except Anime in general is also pretty mainstream in Japan; sure the culture as a whole is still extremely conservative, but ultimately they're still the country with multiple building-sized anime statues. They're the country that gave birth to several of the most profitable franchises on the planet, almost all of them anime-based. "Another form of anime" going mainstream has minimal friction there.

By contrast, outside of Asia an enormous chunk of nerds/geeks have been raised to be reflexively hate anything anime-like. Y'know how /we/ call pronouns in bios a sign of mental illness? Anime PFPs are given the same status outside our bubble. Even other weebs think we're all deranged degenerates who only like sex jokes, since those are the only clips that show up in their recommended. Almost all of non-Holo western Vtubing is branded around not being Hololive. You can do well and make money, but you've got a snowball's chance in hell of going mainstream if everyone and their mother disregards you on sight.

>>46643982
Tall order to fill. People in this particular thread couldn't care less for twitch streamers for the most part, midgets even less

>>46642241
>Yes youtube numbers are basically worthless.
Holy cope.

>>46644447
Yeah, that's why I'm asking about ones that moved there, surely someone there actually followed one of their 2views to that place

Geekjack has always got less of the limited amount, so why are only certain people acting like geekjack is acting like it’ll be 10 times the main site. And why is it only people defending the talents with shit sales?

>>46643982
western? because some jp chuubas did it and they still do what they did on yt or they turned into mindless FPS players

Why is Mel posting these lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb3Rga__UPc

>>46644570
IPO stuff

>>46644570
Her eggs are crying for my seeds, she's sending me indirect messages, I'll have to go to glorious nippon land and rape her

>>46642613
Marine in particular have a shit ton of member SCs compared to their normal ones. HoloJPs i membered to also have decent amount every member stream (especially singing streams)
If anything is irrelevant it's gj/toko merch numbers based on allocated stock of limited sets.

>>46644631
Mane-san, please be more subtle

>>46644570
SHE CUTE!

>>46644512
Everyone but homobeggars know gj doesn't sell shit. Even the Reddit post about shipping doesn't have much mention of gj. It's just a cope for certain people as they are invisible numbers and therefore must be 100% in their favor (no evidence)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFfdIqizA_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zdLyX_Pva0

I love Kari chan

>>46643902
>When HoloJP had as many members as HoloEN has today they were less popular than the EN holos are right now
And the shit cover did? debut 4 more gens of holoJP in the span of 1 year?
And then EN? They left them rot.

>>46644691
too late, already here

>>46644745
There's no indication that the EN market can sustain more vtubers. EN is already dying you're just thinning out what little viewership they have even more

EN3 when?

>>46644745
Exactly, EN literally does not have enough people to function properly and grow a proper box. Like right now JP has Pekora's Puyo Puyo tournament which has already generated a bunch of hype and led to some buffed Puyo Puyo streams, meanwhile HoloEN can't possibly hope to organize anything similar on their own because just Pekora's tournament has more people than the entire EN branch

>>46644826
EN isn't dying due to any inherent characteristics of the market, it's just failing to grow to its potential because of a lack of effort. If HoloJP has stopped after gen 2 they would have stagnated and eventually reclined, would that prove that the JP market is dead?

>>46644826
So it's council's fault for not being able to expand the market?

>>46644826
The trick to expanding EN market is killing off every western indie and having hololive do all the public marketing over the world, eventually it's image will get fixed

>>46643737
>want to increase stock allocation on geekjack
>they can't they are contractually prevented by geekjack from giving them more money and sales
>???
Does /#/ really?

>>46644899
>meanwhile HoloEN can't possibly hope to organize anything similar on their own
That would be true if Amelia's worms tournament never had happened.
I sincerely doubt they couldn't find the four girls to fill in for the four boys

>>46644899
>it's just failing to grow to its potential because of a lack of effort
Right. If you want more streams than the current EN members can provide that overnight by simply having reasonable schedules. They don't, management doesn't seem to care and a new gen will just do the exact same thing because it's the culture of the branch that is the problem, not the fact they don't have enough vtubers. Kiara has been trying to prod the lazy fucks to work more for TWO YEARS and nothing has changed. Anyone who actually puts in effort is going to be dragged back down into the bucket like Fauna.

>>46644936
>merely pretending to be retarded
yes, sometimes the contract is for x and y on z period, and changing it isn't simple

>>46644227
Her bratty teasing and wails of despair will elevate it above the ordinary to kino like with the mario kart competitions

>>46644435
Certain people in this thread seem to insist that Japan doesn't have a bunch of built-in advantages for vtubing for whatever reason. Same group that pretends that they aren't mainstream there even though you can buy Hololive shit in physical stores and such. I'd argue that Hololive is more mainstream in Japan than fleshstreamers are in America.

>>46644885
most western ppl are boring, so Cover will take a long time to recruit decent talents. Next year I think.

>>46644899
>meanwhile HoloEN can't possibly hope to organize anything similar on their own
This isn't true. They have 10 members they could easily have a tourney or an event of some kind. The IDs had a summer festival in MC and they only have 9 members. The problem is that half the EN members simply do not give a shit.

Also Ina attempted a collab event just a few days ago and it was horribly scuffed because EN don't actually prepare for their streams or bother to script anything out like the JPs do

>>46645001
>muh culture
that too changes with new people, for better of worse
I don't understand why people are so in denial that EN3 is needed. Fuck, EN4 is needed, cause let's face it EN is not a 10 person branch, half of them are always missing. The new 5 would just be fill ins at this point.

>>46644923
>killing off every western indie
unfortunately that vshojo exists, the taint can’t be washed away

>>46645055
Melocco save us!

>>46645055
just a little bit of autism, a dash of introvertedness, a sprinkle of creativity and maybe we're set

>>46645045
>I'd argue that Hololive is more mainstream in Japan than fleshstreamers are in America.
And you'd be right.

>>46645055
why would any girl want to be a vtuber when tiktok is free

>>46644964
Yea, a tournament that had more ESL indogs and males than HoloEN girls, truly the ideal way to build the EN box

>>46645001
The problem isn't the amount of streams although that's certainly not helping, what has grown HoloJP to its current massive size is its ability to attract a large casual audience through constant exciting events. Plenty of JP holos get shit numbers daily, but at the end of the day the JP box is massive there's always something big going on. Sometimes it's a concert, sometimes it's a tournament, sometimes its a cool arc in Minecraft/Rust/Ark, there's always something big to look forward to. HoloEN is just too small to recreate that right now and forcing Amelia Watson to stream 10 more hours of Valorant per week won't solve that problem.

>>46645027
The fact that sometimes merch get delayed destroys that random assumption.
Not to mention why would cover or geekjack would even agree on a clause that would prevent them selling more stocks on geekjack. You're either retarded or confusing 'at least x items/percent stocked' and 'only x items/percent stocked'

>>46645148
Because being in Hololive makes you a retired millionaire at the age of 25 and being in TikTok videos juices your dopamine and breaks your brain leaving you a broke single mother at 25

>/#/ - ArmChair Logistics

>>46645160
You're right but the blame lays at the feet of the talent themselves. Gura refusing to build Atlantis despite asking Kaela to grind all the mats sums up her general attitude. You think more members is going to make Myth actually do events instead of "Nah dawg that's my week off"? Fauna already tried a big project and it flopped because trying to herd the ENs to do anything is absolutely impossible.

>>46645081
>They have 10 members they could easily have a tourney or an event of some kind
If a tournament requires every single member to be healthy, not on break, not busy, interested in the subject and willing to participate it's never going to go forward. The Indog minecraft festival was a one off thing that had to involve JP and EN for numbers. Meanwhile Pekora has a pool of like 40 people to invite to her tournament, even if only half accept that's still twice as many people as the entire EN branch.

>>46645250
And all that just to defend poor sales from people that have ruined their own fanbase

EN3 will fix a majority of this

NijiEN gamers when?

>>46645330
I await your dogeza when they turn out to be Tempiss collabers within the first month and at least two of them have a Kronii like stream schedule

>>46645279
>You think more members is going to make Myth actually do events instead of "Nah dawg that's my week off"?
If you have enough people that ceases to be a problem. HoloJP has plenty of borderline retirees as well as lazy stragglers who joined when Hololive was supposed to be a silly part time side gig and that's fine because there's enough hard working people to carry the shitters.

it surprised me that Iroha had more Gartic Phone viewers than Chloe. Chloe's better at it.

>>46645316
That's right anon, pay no attention to the 100$ shipping cost, they're all poor sales.

>>46645279
>Fauna already tried a big project and it flopped because trying to herd the ENs to do anything is absolutely impossible.
????????

>>46645365
>two of them
More like all of them

I just want the whole fucking timeslot propagated man, I don't want no sick and snooty bitches

Tokyo has a Pride Parade?
guess its over for japan...

>>46644885
Golden week in Japan. The best time slot.

Jenma debut fucking when?

Man if only the girls had another gen of around eight people they could collab with. instead of treating tempus like Voldemort perhaps don't call me crazy here the guys and girls
could work together to hold big events.

>>46645481
Fuck off.

>>46645420
https://youtu.be/OR9pvITHH24
Got cut short

>>46645316
>"ruined their own fanbase"

>>46645481
It could work but unfortunately for Cover it just didn't pan out, too many of the girls are anti homo and without the girls' support there's nothing Cover can do

>>46645382
Look, you’re absolutely right, but to do that Cover would have to pour way more money into the EN branch than they ever have towards Tempus. They would have to spend money that they plan to spend on JP instead.
Cover is fine with EN existing as its own thing that they can shill on their advertising. My suspicion is that they know exactly what they have to do to change the utter lack of hype in EN but they don’t care because they’ll have to spend more money to get fewer fans who’ll actually pay up.
Because face it, even if they’re all great, no one is going to match Myth in the west. Not even if Cover spent as much on building up EN as they did in building up JP.

>>46645509
Source? Because as far as I remember that had nothing to do with HoloEN as a whole and EVERYTHING to do with Management being retarded faggots and making her do all the writing and shit last minute.

>>46645481
>No no, dig up stupid

Ahh yes, April-May.
We hit the most boring time of the year for vtubers. It was just as bad last year it is going to be terrible this year.

>>46645443
how new?

How long will the entirety of HoloEN stay out of comission for around the time ENConnect happens?

>>46642220
Remember that YouTube only takes 30%

EN3 tonight

We just need 2 x EN Koyori, 2 x EN Kaela, and 1 x Lacunny

>>46645481
What’s the point of having big events if people don’t want to watch them? Events with males in them aren’t exciting. People want exciting events. Get that through your thick skull, sister. People won’t watch Tempus even if you put a gun to the girls’ heads and said they’d graduate, which is close to what they’re already doing now.

>>46645588
that stuff is probably recorded except for some council bits

>>46645536 (me)
*Myth’s debut

>>46645613
A platinum gen...

>>46645617
You can't play that card this time since mixed collabs attract so many tourists.

>>46645408
>also flopped goods sales that have similar or no shipping fees as the other girls
keep deflecting anon, someday you'll accept reality

>>46645536
What? All they have to do is debut a new gen or two. They do it for much less profitable markets like ID and Tempus. The costs aren't that big of a deal.
A new EN 3 and 4 don't have to match Myth, Council is plenty profitable.
They know all of this, too. Whatever is holding up EN3 isn't money. It's got to be some sort of organizational or management problem.

>>46644902
If you assume there is sufficient long term interest in watching an e-girl pretend to be an anime girl in the west, I suppose. More likely they did the best they could.

>>46645382
That's what these people don't get. By now we should reasonably be looking forward to EN4. The time between Myth and Council was good enough.

>>46645481
Man, if only there were some kind of evidence showing that the outcomes of those collabs would be so bad that everyone involved would start running in the exact opposite direction.

Imagine if HoloJP was literally just picrel as a gen plus another one of your choice. Do you think they would've been as succesful?
Why the fuck are you pretending that having 30+ members all packed in the same timezone isn't the reason why JP looks so busy and full of life? Why are you expecting HoloEN to achieve the same results with just 10 members for over two years with some living in completely different timezones?
But then again I have a feeling that the ones trying desperately to deny EN3 are mainly homotrannies and nijiniggers.

>>46645481
Ok so other groups like niji and tempus exist, what exactly does that have to do with holoen events?

>>46645536
Pouring money in won't do shit when EN itself doesn't appear to give a single fuck

We've literally seen the consequences of ACELLERATE and you fags still think it's an option to just release 2 more gens into the same fucking demographic that's already being taken up by the girls.

>>46645443
They also have weed parades

>>46645683
What are you talking about retard? You just accused the entire branch of flopping sales. Who are you even comparing to that have similar shipping issues

>>46645613
why ask for quantity instead of quality?

>>46645481
Yeah, emulate the NijiEN strategy, that's working out really well for them. Oh wait, no it's not, NijiEN is the only reason HoloEN doesn't look like a disaster, because their recline is so profound it makes HoloEN's look like a minor setback

>>46645708
I wanna see the universe where they unironically debuting Tempus3 before EN3. Wonder what will the people on "We don't need EN3" camp gonna say.

>>46645752
HoloEN market aint NijiEN market, the bottom level can't go much lower then they have and a new gen can only boost them You ain't seeing 3views anytime soon.

>>46645613
But the lamy gen i was promised...

>>46645752
>We've literally seen the consequences of ACELLERATE
Yea it's called HoloJP

>>46645752
>Releasing 4 waves in 6 months is identical to releasing 1-2 gens after 2 years

>>46645481
>perhaps instead of demanding the baker make more bread you could just eat some of this nice dogshit, or better yet, smear it on your bread so it enhances the flavor

>>46645573
april, the month with no 3d lives

>>46645752
> Putting out a new gen every 2 years is the same as putting out a new one every six months!
t. a fucking moron

>>46645752
>debuting more than 1 gen every 600 days is accelerating
Nah fuck off, we should realistically be looking towards EN5 right now if Cover actually gave a shit about expanding into NA

>>46645715
The timeline you suggested means Aqua won't experience chinkout, there won't be Holocaust and she would be gaming whatever the fuck she wanted so nah, Holo will still survive. How else do you think they even survived 2018~2019? You severely underestimated Fubuki and Aqua, newfagchama.

JP7 on the 27th.

>>46645613
We don't need Kaelas. What we do need are Euros, or people who will stream in morning NA or cover other timezones that aren't served right now
Two Euros to fill in the morning slots until Ina/Fauna
Two Aussies for the SEA audience
1 American to slot into NA time

Honestly at this point, I will take anything new happening just so we don't have to do the 50th EN3/Tempus timeloop with the exact same argument.

>>46645897
They need anybody. They need warm bodies to play minecraft and do collabs and events and not be sick and burned-out.
Ideally they'll be geniuses but almost anyone (who isn't a super-yab retard with a bad past) is better than nothing.

>>46645897
>Euros
What for?
>Aussies for the SEA audience
Why?

>>46645760
I'm specifically talking about HoloEN members that have poor sales, Baelz, IRyS, and Fauna all have respectable sales so far.

590 days, we're getting there ENbros.

>>46645964
EN3 could happen and you retards would still have a Tempus timeloop because there's literally 1 or 2 of you who insist on bringing them up every thread to rage about them.

>>46645796
You'll soon see it. Cover will never hire another female EN streamer.

>>46645613
Wrong. More than anything EN needs a Mio. Someone who gets shit done, organizes stuff.

No not Kiara. If possible this hypothetical EN Mio should just not invite Kiara at all anyway.

I'll take anything
EN3
NijiEN Gamers
Phase3
A tournament
An event

Where's the hype, ENfags?

>>46640200
5-15 win for nijisanji, hololive is dead

>>46646002
starsjp still winning

>>46646043
Didn't the talent straight up ask Cover not to release a new gen after stars3 for a while?

>>46646002
We want to expand our second largest market btw

>>46646043
Doesn't count since that was a choice the Stars made. HoloEN not getting a gen even after 600 days when several of the girls have expressed wanting new HOLOLIVE members is just moronic.

>>46646018
Small corpos leeching Gura in shorts and a grifter reacting to police chases and body cam videos. That's the best we can do this year.

>>46646073
imagine if no EN3 was a decision made by the girls...

>>46646043
Imagine HoloEN, the profitable breakout branch expanding Cover into new markets, getting the same fucking debut schedule as the horrible failure misshapen partial-birth abortion that is Holostars. What the fuck, where did it all go so horribly wrong

>>46645964
New?
Such as?

>>46645887
>How else do you think they even survived 2018~2019?
Nigger before the gen 3 debuts Fubuki had fewer subs than the tempiss homos and Pippa have today, in 2018-19 Hololive "survived" as a small corpo

>>46646152
>>46646163
People here like to imagine indeed

>>46645297
stop defending laziness, they can invite JP and ID if they want to.