/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Korone would probably win in a fight.

>>46941311
Isn't it Kronii? She'll just stop time you can't do anything about it.

Physically Mori could manhandle most of the Holo girls

ame with prep time

>>46941311
>loreshit
I'm glad nobody cares about "lawh" anymore.

>>46941311
Who?

>>46941311
Lore or IRL?
Lore is either Kronii, Bae, Ina, or Mori.
IRL is either Korone or Mori.

>>46941311
>not the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, JESUS CHRIST

>>46942471
Jesus is my oshi. Happy Easter.

>>46941311
Kanata irl anyone else is coping

>>46941846
>throw objects at Mori while lightly jogging away from her
>she dies of a heart attack trying to catch up to you

>>46941846
Mori one shot shion

In lore it's La+ darkness and Lui then council

They litteraly solo if you remove Omega
Especially with all the crazy shit going with their lore putting them at High multiversal and omnipotent for most of them

Don't see why people are hyping Ina this much based on this one fan animation

+ Myth are fodder compared to council honestly

The other are meme at best like Matsuri or korone

>>46941311
>>46941734
Has to be Sana, doesn't matter how much time you have how do you stop something as big as a sun? Irl too maybe likely to size.

La + solo

Debut lore : "because I can see everything simultaneously, the flow of time, the extent of space, it's all meaningless to me, just like a picture on paper, easily rewritten and erased."


Laplus sees the concept of time and space as meaningless, to the degree where it's like a picture on paper to her. This concretely proves that Laplus trivializes space and time on a conceptual level, also proven by how the same line mentions that she can easily rewrite and erase all of time and space
Another thing worth noting is it reaffirms that Laplus sees all things, whether it be time and space at the same time

Above concept , omnipotent, Better feat than everyone else with lore

La+ blink and solo

Kneel ,she would solo goku

>>46943223
>>46943853
Except La+ is shackled.
And you assume Council/Mori/Ina would even give anyone the chance to unshackle her.

>>46941311
Here's your community-agreed answer by this board's truly, /lore/.
If you want more details and why they are placed as they were, check out the threads.

>>46943309
Stopping a sun is like star level, that's nowhere near the likes of top-tier, let alone what Kronii did during her debut.

>>46941734
Haachama, Bae and Irys are literally above time and space according to their lore.

Can fire your oshi for no reason

wawa is the strongest!

>>46941734
I think its confirmed to be Bae since she's a concept even further outside space and time or death. Not like the girls ever do anything with the suspected power level bullshit.

>>46943223
>>46944037
That's pretty impressive, but if you're taking all canon lore into account, then Haachama is confirmed at least 5D; that's beyond multiversal and all those concepts you listed.

>Oh, and did I mention that Haachama is literally seen creating multiverseS?

>Remember the famous cube from the HoloEN Prelude video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvg4SUna5xw

>where the gods created Space, Nature, Time and Civilization, with Space being infinite multiverses (as explained in Sana's profile)?
>>"Space" refers not only to this universe we live in, but all dimensions and matter to exist. It is a concept unbridled by definition, and one that continues to grow in scope limitlessly.

>She wields multiple of them, as seen in the original segment of this video on her official channel:
https://youtu.be/mRCfFS0SsCk?t=88

>This not only proves that she's a god beyond any doubt, but she's at least extradimensional, i.e. beyond multiversal.

>And that's just HAACHAMA, not even GODCHAMA, who is all the personas of HAACHAMA Ch. combined.

>Haachama is essentially The One Above All in the hololive multiverse.

And if you're talking about canonality, La+ has always been shackled and has never actually shown the level of power she claims, so Haachama has this one since she actually did show her powers backed up with feats.

>>46945409
>>46943853

>>46944128
This hurt my 10 years old past powerscaling experience

It's so badly made

Ina at planetary when ina is above universal is so goofy

+ Haachama overatted because of the même

Lol at mumei below moona or calli

Lol at Fauna equal to calli

This list was made l reddit btw and aggred upon by people that never did one powerscaling in their entire lives

It's so out of order that it hort my brain

Council are so above Myth by a silly margin just by lore and statement, calli isn't even "death" herself but just a grim reaper, same with kiara, she's just a Phoenix not the concept of life or whatever

List heavely oriented by the memes and interpretation people have on talent with no lore research made

>>46945409
Haachama has barely been mentioned outside of her own channel. Her making up her own lore doesn't make it canon. Until we see this sort of shit outside of her channel, its not canon in my eyes.

>>46943853
>>46945409

>>46945638
>Ina at planetary when ina is above universal is so goofy
>List heavely oriented by the memes and interpretation people
Takodachi are scum

>>46945865
Cover literally acknowledged her "schizo" lore as canon though, multiple times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOPE6kHeoU&t=34s

>>46945865

>>46945865
This

Even La+ mention council in her debut with the mogging of concept

Even going has far with the "seeing everything as a canvas" which is far higher than being above just time and space, she can also rewrite and erase them , litteraly a Featherine move

Haachama doesn't have those kind of feat even with highball

>>46945865
https://hololivesuperexpo.hololivepro.com/news/220415-enreport1/

Mori is the literal concept of death

>Haachama vs La+
Two japanese college girls fighting kek. Sounds like 4-koma to me.

Not giving (You)s to just say - point still stands Haatons.

>>46945409
>Haachama is essentially The One Above All in the hololive multiverse.
based

>no argument
I accept your concession, +mate.

lore? pick either mori or any girl from council, really
raw strength? toss-up between korone or kanata
vibe? haachama or nenechi

>>46944128
Gura should never be that high she's like a 12 year girl at base form--and she's afraid of Chole for goodness sakes; council's placement among themselves doesn't make sense. Ex: if Fauna can negate Sana's destroying the world how is she not higher and what are we basing Bae's ranking on?

Don't know enough outside of EN other than Calli can waste Shion.

>>46951781
>if Fauna can negate Sana's destroying the world
Fauna negating Sana's destruction of earth is a planet-level+ feat, but Sana's scale basically indicates (among other feats/statements iinm) she can destroy things bigger than a planet, thus her destructive capacity is over Faunas (unless Fauna shows a feat greater than star-solar level-ish).

>what are we basing Bae's ranking on?
Notice that in all of their official profiles, councils members are called: Speaker of "Space", Keeper of "Nature", Warden of "Time" etc., not that "they are Space/Nature/Time".

What this indicates is that council members are NOT literal personifications, nor gods, but beings created specifically to become avatars/wardens of their respective element. Mumei in particular has even explicitly said that she wasn't directly created by the gods.

...except Bae. In her profile, as well as the HoloEN Prelude/Omen videos, it instead claims that she is chaos itself.
>A member of the Council and the very concept of Chaos, birthed by the world, itself.

So she might very well be chaos given form. Thus, she is a cut above the rest of the council, and most likely the reason she is the leader of them all.

Bae has also been explicitly stated to have existed before space, time and the multiverse existed ("existed since the genesis"), and was merely given a vessel by the gods instead of being created like the rest. (https://youtu.be/BOWi6Pclr48?t=70))

>council's placement
The key point to take away from this is that council are not omnipotent gods, nor are they roughly equal in power level. They're only avatars of X concept so they're only as powerful as their greatest showing, or feats.

>>46952651
I see. Thank you for answering. What has Ina been shown to do that puts her above Kiara?

>>46952823
I don't know the exact details or reasoning, but I do know somebody pointed out that in one of Moona's MVs, it shows/implies that Moona (forma de Moon Goddess), and the Ancient Ones are roughly equals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stmZAThUl64

>>46953159
Well that will have to do then. Thanks again.

>south america-tier dbz power level discussion

Gura can fight mori in mv

Is it any question?

Its Sora.

>>46955492
It's actually more accurate than you might think

>>46944145
i kneel to the one omnipitent force.

>>46955572
Note that this is an alternative version of them.

>>46945638
>Ina at planetary when ina is above universal is so goofy
Ina has no feat that would put her that high.
Also note this:
>>46953159
Putting her on Moona tier is already generous.
>Haachama overatted because of the même
Haachama has numerous feats that make it more than a meme.
>Lol at mumei below moona or calli
mumei is featless. Putting her that high is already generous.
>Lol at Fauna equal to calli
Fauna can restore earth and all life on it, including herself, instantly.
>This list was made l reddit btw and aggred upon by people that never did one powerscaling in their entire lives
ESL ramble


The only thing I would change is to put Lui at least 2 tiers higher.

>>46943853
Not quite correct, she can perceive the universe like that since she's the laplace demon but that doesn't put her above those concepts. She's still a part of the universe and was born and grew up in it, unlike Bae, IRyS and Haachama.
Not to mention that she got defeated and restricted which means that she overestimated her abilties.

>>46947540
Nope, She is deaths jannie and does it for free

>>46959966
Is that including Kenja Time mode?

>>46952651
Sana is far stronger than just her size, it's like saying a human is ant level because they accidentally stepped on an ant.
Sana:
>Has a galaxy level pet god
>is mftl and can travel through the universe in basically no time at all
>can literally directly communicate with the universe itself and it grants her wishes
>space is stated to be an all encompassing and ever faster expanding concept in this universe meaning she grows more powerful at an accelerating rate
>on top of all that she also ended up as the apostle of the ancient ones, which is potentially a higher rank than a priestess

She is extremely busted.

>>46942728
Same.
>>46942471
Happy Easter you both. He is risen!

>>46964024
I forgot my image.

>>46947540
She's one of many grim reapers

>>46944128
Based /lore/chad

>>46944128
pretty good overall I'd say. a few quibbles here and there but solid list.

>>46943853
>Muh lore
Laplus is just a chunni brat that needs to be corrected

All this faggotry... Lore was a mistake. Why do you losers care about this shit anyways? Why can't you just enjoy the CGDCT and the cuckholding mixed-streams like everyone else?

>>46953159
Well the thing is that Ina is not the Ancient Ones, but rather an underling (priestess) of them, which makes her far weaker than them

>>46965744
Yeah but Moona likely was also not fighting against an Ancient One in that MV, just an underling. So comparing Ina to that seems fair until she has some feats.

The fact that we're calling her Haachama, the channel is called Haachama, her Twitter is called Haachama, shows that Haachama has power that goes beyond lore and affects the streamer and the IRL world.
I'm not sure what that's called in powerscaling. Power of the Author?

Calli reaping Shion in Hologra didn't cause Shion's channel to go down temporarily. But Akai Haato's platform lost verification because Haachama took over it and they were struggling for control. That's real world impact.

Her lore arc wasn't just a video, it interrupted many of her game or karaoke streams and affected her interactions and relationships with other holomem when they met in games like Minecraft or during call-ins. That's not just power in the virtual universe that's power over the streamer in our universe.

>>46966520
>I'm not sure what that's called in powerscaling. Power of the Author?
Real world manipulation, maybe?
But it seems a little far fetched unless her lore specifically says that her character controls the streamer.

>>46943853
The bird on top of La+ head is cannonly the most powerful being

>>46968770
As far as I'm aware the crow is only strong enough to prevent La+ and her subordinates from undoing her shackles.
Granted that's still pretty powerful all things considered.

>>46965699
Yeah tell them anon! People shouldn't enjoy things right? Yeah that's right.

>>46951781
>Gura should never be that high she's like a 12 year girl at base form
She's a magic wielding over 9000 year old demi-god in lore. Her stature is irrelevant.
>and she's afraid of Chole for goodness sakes
And a lot of people are afraid of harmless spiders, this doesn't mean anything.

>>46941311
IRL: Korone
Lore: Ina or DOOG\

>>46971310
Yup and if you consider Gawr was made canon, and the Reflect MV then Gawr is probably apocalyptic tier.

>>46973113
Gawr is just bloodlusted Gura
>>46971723
>Fan Animation / Fan meme

Takodachis keep forgetting Ina is just a normal girl baka. Her true power tier is dad level, referring to the quality of her puns.

>>46977204
>Takodachis keep forgetting Ina is just a normal girl baka.
Thanks for your input, normal human anon.

Bumping for /lore/

Kronii stop time and fuck your oshi

>>46963903
Also her limiter can limit other's lives and she loves violence.

>>46944128
Council are all effectively gods with their own portfolios, Mori is either a god of death or arguably as a mere apprentice could be as low as superhuman, Gura is a god because Poiseidon fucked a shark that then gave birth to her in mortal form, but it's safe to say that she ascended to godhood the same as Hercules since she has lived for 9,000 years. Ame is just a human, she could only be ranked higher because of her gadgets. Certain Holos seem to be ranked higher based on their psychosis, but that doesn't actually make anyone more powerful, at best you could call it superhuman since they could shrug off fear or pain more easily. Very questionable tier list.

>>46945638
Ina is not that powerful since an eldritch horror would end up possessing her body if she tried to cut loose. Really she should be on the same level as Rushia since their powers are both essentially dark arts summoner types.

>>46941311
Laplus without the shackles no diffs the rest of the verse, she controls causality

>>46981543
>Mori is either a god of death or arguably as a mere apprentice could be as low as superhuman
Mori has won every fight against Kiara in their lore and Kiara can turn up her flames to burn as hot as the sun. I'm not going into the usual room stuff but it's safe to say that Mori is definitely up there.

>>46941846
This. In real life Mori is like twice the weight of the average Holo girl. There's absolutely zero way she could lose. (I mean, she has won every time she's challenged someone to an arm wrestle.)
In terms of lore, who can really say? Probably someone in Council. (Or Haachama if you go for the meme answer.)

>>46981543
The tier list is based on Attack Potency, i.e. how much destruction one can cause (in one attack). Being a "god" on its own really doesn't mean much unless it is directly put into context just what they can do with their power. This is because how powerful a "god" character is varies wildly across different media. You can see they paid extra attention to this in the higher tiers. For example, Moona is a moon goddess yet she is ranked only at Planetary because that's the level of her greatest showing.

Also the "Gods" tier should have been named "Multiversal".

>>46982487
>The tier list is based on Attack Potency, i.e. how much destruction one can cause (in one attack).
You guys are such dweebs. Power rankings are always completely arbitrary, because the author is always in command. If the story needs someone to lose, they will lose. If it needs them to win, they will win. It all depends on context. It's like ranking John Cena vs. some random fighter pilot.

Your thoughts on Moona being able to bend reality?
https://youtu.be/LCb66ERHUEc

>>46941311
me

>>46982834
And if a new story or unprecedented arguments emerge the power scales have to change accordingly to reflect that.

>>46944128
>anya, reine, noel, fubuki, korone, okayu in powerful
>pekora in human level

>>46983353
Well, do you see Pekora being able to arm-wrestle the likes of Noel, who canonically has super strength?

>>46983446
they should be in human level with pekora

>>46965744
While technically true isn't she also their catalyst into the world? It pretty much puts her roughly on equal level outside of durability

>>46983353
>anya
Ancient weapon
>reine
UH someone help me out here.
>noel
Super strength
>fubuki, korone, okayu
Demigods

>pekora
A girl in a bunnysuit

>>46983613
>reine
Reine is a magical princess of the peafowl people from another world according to her debut lore.

>>46983076

>>46983613
>>anya
>Ancient weapon
how does being the personification of a dagger put her anywhere above human level

>>46983613
>Ancient weapon
Anya is actually a ritual knife, they weren't usually used as weapon

>>46983748
It's not a personification, she IS the dagger.

>>46983748
>>46983833
Did you know that according to Anya, you can get cut if you even try to touch her? I don't know man, that's preeeettty powerful if you ask me

>>46983613
Reine is a sorceress.

>>46983528
We already saw an agent of the AO fight and lose to Moona.

>>46983748
In her debut she explains that she is an ancient weapon that was made to take out threats and that she can handle herself.

>>46983743
Is reality bending abilities not above Planetary?

>>46984069
Just because someone can turn things they are touching pink doesn't mean they can destroy worlds, reality warping wanking is one of signs that someone got their brain rotten through by VS debates

>>46984069
Not really, unless it's shown to be able to reality bend something above the scale of planetary. Then again I would argue it's more hax than outright AP.

>>46983893
>you can get cut if you even try to touch her?
who said anything about touching?

>>46984134
>>46984164

>>46984298
Are you a galactic level thread because you can lift things, thus lift the fabric of space-time on massive scale?

You nerds don't happen to have a tier list for levels of cum extraction the girls can do do you?

anya is the strongest and coolest

>>46984401
Um... Sure?

>>46983076
Hologra is too internally inconsistent to be used for powerscaling. Most of them are just some kind of fever dream.

>>46975048
I mean in the Reflect MV she was literally sitting on a throne of Skulls with illuminati symbolism. That probably implies more then we think.

>>46986244
Gura is a JEW????

>>46943309
>how do you stop something as big as a sun
Kill their dog

>>46986244
If I remember correctly Gura explained that in Atlantis they were settling disputes by combat in an arena. So it's possible that the song referenced that and implies that Gawr helped her to kill when it was necessary, even admitting that she wouldn't be where she is today without that side of hers.

>>46986506
ATF please.

>>46964544
What happened to the /lore/ threads anyway?

>>46941311
WHat can you do against her?

>>46989316
Anons like drama instead of fun.

>>46989316
There wasn't much to talk about. If you have an interesting topic feel free to make a thread about it and put /lore/ in the title.

single hand destroyed the entire cn brand.

>>46990840
La+ agrees.

>>46990686
Maybe one could remake that list >>46944128 with some better labels for the tiers. Unless it was intentionally vague.

>>46942471
Amen

>>46991271
Loved that whole thing about Haachama x HoloX debut.
>Laplus is introduced as darkness
Haachama
>I'll show you real darkness
>Holox I'm not scared of it
It's like a rite of passage at this point for Haachama to assert dominance from the get go.

Batman with prep time.

>>46941311
Strongest Holo:
Bae
Strongest Vshojo:
Nyanners
Srongest Niji:
Rosemi

Flower < Rat < Pink Cat

Kaela can grind to level 999 and broke the game

>>46941311

Might as well link some Lore style comics, since it's a lore thread.

https://twitter.com/RTRHTW/status/1557875639377694722

Gura and the power of friendship