/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Because it brings misery to those who don't want it to be that way.

>>4704136
Why are you still overreacting to this? Chill, man.

Damn, board going from butthurt to assblasted.

>>4704136
have you had sex

>>4704174
>>4704196
>>4704211
Back to your safe space >>>/r*ddit.com/

>>4704136
I don't like it and I don't dislike it. Unless you watch Calli why care?

>>4704136
It was ok in the later stages when she dropped character. As for collaboration with non Hololivers, it's fine, as you long as it's not a leech, or a hypocrite.

>>4704261
Why are you telling them to go to the Coco thread?

>>4704136
This has been asked many times, but I've yet to see it answered.

>>4704261
The irony here is fucking legendary.

>>4704247
No matter how many times you repeat this it won't make us incels any less mad. And will only fuel us in our pursuit to make other people as miserable as us.

>>4704541
Irony would be if he deleted your comment and banned you from the board but that's kinda hard for reddit coomer to understand

>>4704338
>I don't like it and I don't dislike it.

Yeah, IDC about some shitty card game, so I'm pretty indifferent. All I see are a bunch of obsessed turbo autists that want the world to hate her as much as they do.

>>4704174
Regardless of that factor though, do you actually enjoy it?

>>4704136
Well we have good news, there are ten startups debuting this year. At least one of them will meet up to your standards

>purityfags still seething

>>4704136
>why they watch hololive if they want them to be like every other twitch streamer?
this is eventually what's going to end being the thing kills vtubing

>>4704470
Yeah no actual answers yet. A lot of "why do you care about stuff you care about" comments. Weird to be commenting on a board about stuff you don't care about

>>4704854
This is the one time it's not about collabing with a male good try cuckbeat

>>4704789
That doesn't answer the question though

>>4704889
More like basically every time, I can't even remember the last time where the reason for outrage was because of a male

It was the most milquetoast stream imagineble and people must be really bored to still be doing this shit a day later. Did anyone even watch the stream? It was nothing, literally nothing. Why do you think hololive isn't already like every other streamer? Half of them are ex titty streamers and don't act much different with the avatar than they did without it. I don't see how Mori collabing with Gigguk in anyway brings her closer to whatever your idea of every other twitch streamer. I dunno, this outrage is contrived.

>>4704743

I enjoyed it. She’s pretty bad at Shadowverse, so the enjoyment came from watching someone actually teach her things. Helped scratch the backseater itch that stemmed from her literally not reading her cards.

Couldn’t care less about who the coach actually was.

>>4705240
You don't care about hololive, your opinion is worthless

>>4705240
Still not answering the question posed by the op though, are you? Why do YOU choose to watch hololive instead of random twitch streamers if you think they're basically the same?

>>4704247
sex..

>>4704247

>>4705561
Why not?

>>4704136
A normie talking to a normie.

Something unworthy of Hololive and vtubing.

vtubers who interact with men (especially 3d men) are dead to me. disgusting.

>>4705561

Calli has big fucking anime milkers and I like those better than twitch streamer boobs.

>>4705872
Based

>>4705872
holy based

>>4705240
Gigguk's wife is in Vshojo, they got their irl friend Mori to apply to Hololive, and now they're just constantly trying to be involved, and attack any fans who don't want them to be. The arrogance is honestly kind of outrageous.

unironically the best collab Mori has ever done

>>4704136
I like Mori for being Mori, not because of the Hololive brand. Also it's nice to see that despite harsh reactions to her earlier Shadowverse videos, she's really trying hard to learn the game. It's a very fun game but difficult to learn!

>>4705945
Rrat

>>4704136
I must be in the minority as I somewhat enjoyed the collab because I find Gigguk and ok dude, but disliked it because I find Mori boring.

>>4705999
>It's a very fun game
You're far too gone

>>4704136
I think the cardgame went pretty smoothly. Out of all the trashtaste people to do some gameplay collab with, Gigguk seems to be the one that's most straightforward and to the point in doing that collab.

>>4704136
Personally I don’t see a problem with this collab, I just view it as something similar to the jp girls’ collab with sugita. Both of them has something to do with the anime community, one is bigger than the other and have more influence and that is about it, both are inoffensive so it is fine. If they collab with people like that then it is fine, if they start collabing with people like the Paul brother then yeah I can see it ruining the en girl’s fanbase.

>>4706308
>even daring to compare gigguk with sugita
Holy fuck go back from where you came from

>>4706031
it's not a rrat anon
Mori mentioned she only applied to Hololive after her friend who was into vtubers and idol shit applied and suggested she do too

Cover is using Calli to test the ice on how much different the western audience is, right?
Since her fanbase has been generally accepting of these tests (lives with guys and normie youtubers) they will probably beging distancing HoloEN from the JP branch and market it as it's own, seperate entity, rather than as a part of the "official" Hololive.
Well, they probably had plans for that from the beginning, seeing how the EN girls aren't allowed to collab freely with the JP/ID girls and can't even play on the same MC server.

>>4706376
This. Anitubers deserve zero respect, and comparing them to an actual japanese voice actor is an insult to the VA

>>4706308
>sugita, one of the most recognizable VAs in anime even in the west
>vs
>Gigguk, a literal who autist who just shills seasonal anime
???

>>4704136
>why they watch hololive if they want them to be like every other twitch streamer
what's the difference? list them

>>4706376
Sugita is awesome, he is my favorite male VA but don’t be full of shit anon. Gigguk is similar to him but sugita is more famous and have a way bigger impact on the anime community, that is about it. You can talk about how gigguk have shitty friends are what ever but him personally as a collab partner it as inoffensive as some one like sugita.

>>4706386
I don't think she was friends with sydsnap before that collab shit... or was she? I know they apparently drink together now.

>>4706492
>>4706527
>Voice actors
>Deserving respect
Maybe if they were real actors, voice acting is about as talentless as making anime youtube videos

>>4706606
Once again, go fucking back

>>4705987
and that's a bit of a problem don't you think?

No I didn't like it. I dislike shadowverse and I can't stand TT. I still love Mori and her content, but really I'd rather she (and by extension everyone else in Hololive) would keep collabs within Hololive and not draw in faggots like Gigguk. Part of the appeal of this to me is the unity and interactions between these girls having fun, not outsiders worming their way in and removing the atmosphere. Maybe the managers will get the hint, and keep this shit from happening again. I can only hope Mori will bring this same level of energy and professionalism to her next collab.

>>4706543
kek this is literal meme question. "You like dinosaurs, name every dinosaur that ever existed". If you don't see any difference between hololive and twitch streamers there's really nothing I can do for you. It's like someone wouldn't see difference between anime and western animations

50 posts in and the only reasons given by the pro-collab crowd to watch hololive over twitch thots amount to
>"fuck off incel"
>"I love anime tits"
It's fine that you don't care about hololive, but why invest so much time arguing with people that do?

>>4706746
Imagine being this much of an incel in 2021.
>Muh waifu is interacting with 3D men, how disgusting!

>>4707028
I don't think anyone who watches vtubers and comments on boards about them has much of a ground to call others incels lmao

I actually really liked the original TT appearance. I thought it was cool that she was doing a live character performance and it set her apart from the others in a good way. but she kinda quit doing it after awhile.
I hope gen2 reels in a roleplayer with strong improv chops.

>>4707139
Dude, I know people with wives and kids that watches vtubers. It's not because the people that you know that watches them are pathetic that all the fanbase is pathetic.

>>4706946
Their isn't a pro collab crowd, not here, theirs only apathy and seething hatred. I don't want Mori to collab with Gigguk but all of these relentless threads are incredibly unnecessary.

>>4706746
Managers don't make this sort of decisions, they're supposed to support the talents and it's management who can play the bad cop at times, I'm thinking about Mr Holo EN Producer San who blocked this collab shit for months but he can't just say no forever when they keep pressing him Calli would get grumpy if they were to just block her forever I'm like 90% sure she was already venting about Hololive treating them like idols to sydsnap and her friends behind the scenes just whatch this clip and tell me you don't hear angry reaper behind some of this shit especially what Gigguk said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv2HzDsc244

>>4706720
>go back, this is my hugbox
I see, so no argument

>>4707192
Seems like at least one of them is wannabe idol so I have high hopes

>>4707252
That's actually worse...holy shit

>>4704136
that podcast was some dumb ass shit. not even the anituber shit. but going having an interview focused on a job you literally just started, know practically nothing about and have nothing interesting to say about.

>>4704136
I watched like 30 minutes of the first "podcast" with them and it ruined Mori for me. When one of them talked about moving into a giant apartment in Tokyo and having millions in his bank account I knew I could never be a fan.

>>4706633
>I don't think she was friends with sydsnap before that collab shit... or was she? I know they apparently drink together now.
Lmao this is perfect
>holos literally go drinking with vshojos irl
>/vt/ has an autistic meltdown every time they just mention each other on stream

>>4707265
Man you sure are trying to tie a narrative in all this shit. Garnt is just talking about his views on the vtuber scene right now. He's right when he says that the age of the gimmick is over, vtubers now needs to put out interesting content. I used to watch everyone before, but now. And he's also right when he compare VShojo vs Hololive, even Hololive will tell you that they put out Idol content before anything else.

>>4706662
Post voice

>>4705872
based. I came here just to say this

>>4706662
Maybe in the west, where top paying jobs are for some Disney shit and even then they would rather hire actual actors. In Japan the VA market is a whole other beast.

>>4707410
What's a good life for you then? Going on 4chan to spew hate on people that you'll never even be close to meet in your life?

>>4707252
Have you seen the Ina time square meetup. All fat male losers in nyc the slimmest city in the country.

>>4706386
She was talking about MilkyQueen dumbass

>>4707600
You know that the vtubers you love so much are pretty much making bank too? No one in Hololive is poor, they all live a very comfortable life. Which is totally fine.

>>4707947
I saw some girls in those meet up. And of course that the most hardcore of the fanbase will probably not be the most outgoing kind of people, but I don't think you need to be a NEET incel virgin to love vtubers.

>>4707775
>And he's also right when he compare VShojo vs Hololive, even Hololive will tell you that they put out Idol content before anything else.

Like what, concerts? Holo EN is hardly involved in that, they just can't get them dance lessons and shit that's why Holo EN is not even marketed as idols, sadly.

Anyway it wasn't even the argument here I was thinking about this rant about Vtubers collabing with real people I wouldn't be surprised if it came directly from Calli considering she's close with his fucking wife it's not exactly QAnon tier staff to make this sort of connection.

>>4706431
This is probably it

>>4707728
I mean Hime is the only one that lives in Japan and can actually meet Hololive members (afaik only Calli) irl and afaik she's not the one Calli is planning to collab with interestingly enough.

>>4707775
>He's right when he says that the age of the gimmick is over, vtubers now needs to put out interesting content.
and how will they do this hanging out with anitubers, they are the worst at entertaining

>>4708484
Vtubers need to be like the opposite of leeches like connur

>>4708024
>>4707600

I don't know how anyone can see the red superchats flowing in and still be a hardcore simp. Not that I won't enjoy popular things because I absolutely do, but if I'm throwing money at a streamer it'll be at someone for whom it will actually make a difference rather than be another grain in the sand.

>>4708292
Dude no one is ranting in this video, they are just giving their opinion on the whole thing, Joey is super passive in all this and just say he likes Nijisanji's approach to content more, Connor is saying the likes to talk to vtubers because he finds the backstage stuff fascinating and most of the people involved are interesting, and Garnt says that he likes to watch anime and VShojo more (and its understandable to be more invested in something that your fiancee is involved in.)

It is not QAnon level shit, but its still pretty absurd. I'm not saying that Calli doesn't vent to IRL friends about her job, everyone who had a job once in their life did that shit too. But I don't think she's literally shitting on Cover or try to build an anti Cover narrative outside of her work hours.

>>4704261
think for about 30 seconds, and try to have literally any self awareness whatsoever

HoloEN like HoloID is an extension of Hololive. It's not a seperate company sister that is just doing their own thing like HoloStars. They collab with each other. So it isn't hard to expect some level of unity from HoloEN as well. This isn't like VirtualRealxNijisanji. If Mori shows consistent efforts on her collabs with other Holos moving forwards then this whole issue will be drowned. Hololive is very close. They give way for each other and support one another like crazy. That's why you have subgroups that forms from that bonds If she actually feature real vtuber indies and not just her friends then sure, she wasn't lying. We will have to wait and see.

>>4708292
you guys are some super sleuths

>>4708617
That's fine, I'm only a member to Ina in Hololive and I only donated to Ame's charity. I never sent a super chat.

Let the oil barons and crypto bros send their red supers and watch the content. It's not because someone makes good money on their content that you shouldn't be a fan.

I don't think you need to curse yourself to only watch shitty youtube channels with 500 views on their videos and 10 viewer twitch viewership channels to enjoy online content.

>>4706746
>I can only hope Mori will bring this same level of energy and professionalism to her next collab

On this topic, I’m staying hopeful. There were a lot of people whining about how she put in more effort for this collab than others with her senpai and genmates, which is generally true. But I got the impression from her tweet and the atmosphere that she’s being more energetic /because/ she got called out for that in the Phasmo stream the other night, and is trying to put in more effort.

Might just be a wishful rrat.

>>4706746
I can understand that she wants to bring her friends in, but why she didn't collab with milky first? makes more sense than these 3D fags, and then that connor groomer faggot didn't help at all with his actions (shit talking holo fans, grooming zombie and calli), it's a disaster that could been handled better

>>4706746
Isn't her next collab Mario Party with Ollie and Coco?
At least it will be in English so she doesn't have not speaking Japanese as an excuse.

>>4708946
I think she wanted to bring that energy to her collab with Gura, she seems to really enjoy streaming with Gura. But clearly the technical issues fucked with her mood.

I think she's just too in her own head lately. She should just do her thing and try to not glance too much at online comments. It's clearly affecting her a lot lately.

>>4709003
>Isn't her next collab Mario Party with Ollie and Coco?
>At least it will be in English so she doesn't have not speaking Japanese as an excuse.
theres your test.

>>4704136
I don't watch hololive

>>4708998
Milky seems pretty busy lately with a "gacha event" that indie japanese vtubing idols do. Calli said she wants to collab with Milky soon.

And what the fuck is this Connor grooming rrat?!

>>4704136
I liked it.
Calli actually spoke and interacted with the other person for once.
The only thing I didn't like was Garnt thanking his donaters every time one happened but that's a Twitch problem since every single Twitch streamer does that shit even when they're collaborating with each other.

>>4708747
Don't have any faith in Calli

The western stuff they've done like the Korone Marine game races is the most kino shit they've done. I want them to do more challenge/goal based content around games.

>>4704136
I like anything Mori does that makes this board angry. Simple as.

>>4709331
Based and Reaperpilled

Wouldn't know, didn't watch it

>>4709331
Doesn't really answer my question but I've seen this same mentality becoming more and more frequent in a lot of different fandoms

>>4706886
newfag spotted

>>4704446
>brap zombie mentioning to collab with outsiders
>entire fucking board vehemently antipost her to oblivion
>brap wigger collabing with outsiders TWICE
>defense squad at full force
It just doesn't add up.

>>4709249

Oh, so that’s what it was? I don’t use twitch, so I thought he was thanking Calli’s superchats and was really fucking confused about that.

>>4704867
It's already dead when a mutt surpasses a Jap

>>4705872
based

>>4709585
I'll defend Ollie over this shit too.

>>4706431
>benefitting from the hololive buff while trying to be something entirely different. Wow. Being a holofag is cuckoldery of the highest order.

>>4706662
Absolute state of /vt/

Fuck whatever y’all talking about in here, i just took the fattest shit of my life. It felt like i was gonna die

>>4704136
I like the part when she called chat "niggers"
https://streamable.com/sd78ak

>>4708292
None of the ENs aside from Kiara wants anything to do with idolshit. Probably think it's cringe or some shit.

>>4708484
youre right , they dont play enough Apex and Minecraft on streams.

Hey, Ollie actually tries to do enjoyable streams and content.
She doesn't look like she's cringing and being obligated to stream. That's the main difference.

>>4709585
We do , she's just indog that doesnt have as big following here.

It's all eyes on calli's next collab. If ever show that lethargic energy again with a holo, she's gonna get blasted again and only making the criticisms more ogey

When it comes to collabs I ask myself 2 questions.

1. Does it make her happy?
2. Does it make schizos seethe?

If the answer to both of these is yes then I'm happy even if I don't watch them. You faggots are turning into nijiniggers with how you're becoming.

Stop acting like these girls are your property and fuck off with the purity shit, you're just pushing them away and ensuring they fucking hate you.

>>4705342
Reminder that there's a bit of a stigma in tcg's in the real world. Most woman who show up to an FNM are only doing so because they're there with their boyfriend to appease him. They learn the very basics because they want to make their boyfriend happy and the minute they leave him, you'll never see them at any LGS for a tournament again.

>>4711040
What did you think about the calli gura collab? It made schizos seethe and calli seethe

>>4704136
I liked it. Calli and Gigguk have decent chemistry and Shadowverse is entertaining to watch. I don't really get why people are so upset about it, outside of the slippery slope argument. It was pretty inoffensive and they didn't touch on any yab subjects like politics, sex or drama.

>>4711666
Anon...

>>4710249
>38 seconds
too long, didnt watch

>>4712163
>posts a bunch of retards from /hlg/
cool story bro
>>4704261
the lack of self awareness is astounding

>>4712240
3 of those are long time members

>>4706746
you sound like a huge faggot

>>4712345
Plenty of others were completely supportive
the point is they are complaining about stupid petty shit and applying their own narratives to calli under the guise of "criticism"

>>4712532
>Get told that they are long time paypigs and not the assumed big bag 4channers.
>Divert anyways and say 'DOESN'T MATTER'
Yeah, ok bud.

>>4712532
If she's a new person in her next collab and outshines herself then it will be petty shit, if she's like always and acts like an autist the it will be valid criticism

>>4712163
Wow, Mori sounds a lot like me. I'm fucking glad I didn't decide to be a vtuber

>>4705872
I’ve been shitting on cuckbeats all day, for good reason of course, but this is probably the most based thing any one of you faggots has said today

>>4704136
Unironically a good schizo filter if she played her cards right. Too bad Calli like other Holo girls is obsessed with placating everyone so the 500 dislikes and gachikoi comments will live rent free in her mind, at least for a while.

>>4708688
He made a whole point about chuubas collabing with "real people" whole clip was titled after this part but it's not exactly the issue that a moderate Vtuber enjoyer would even care about in the first place that's why I sense something more to it behind the scenes. Wasn't he trying to pressure the HoloEN management to do what Calli want's or I will call you out for being this oppresive idol company that EOPs already see as concentration camps for cute girls? Gigguk could cause Cover some serious trouble in the Western market and with part of their own audience so it's hard to ignore it at this point.

>>4705872
based alert

>>4704247

I used to enjoy shadowverse and seeing roaches brought back sad memories.
However it was a good collab, I hope the later guests are more interesting.

>>4713079
fuck off rat.

>>4709104
Holy reddit.

>>4712532
Criticism is allowed so long as it isn't towards your oshi. Naruhodo

>>4707775
>He's right when he says that the age of the gimmick is over
Do you people even understand how rude this is to say? Do you think everyone in Hololive and Nijisanji and all indies all were simply carried by being a vtuber?

This is why people are starting to seriously hate Mori. She thinks she's entitled to what she has now, when it was all thanks to her predecessors that she even gets to collab with Gigguks clique. They got into this when no one gave a shit, a plenty of them have yet to see the success she got from the get-go. And they're lucky they have hololive, that they are still getting thousands of subs a day and they have the most successful people in the scene close by. There's thousands of others that have nothing like that.

Yeah, Mori is talented, Cover didn't pick her up because it's a charity. But there has to be reciprocity in the relationship. Mori has no room for excuse: her senpai are the reason she's where she is; she lives in Japan; she has no problem collabing with her indie friends. And yet there you have her pretending Cover is her fucking dad or something. What she does is rude to her coworkers, it's rude to their fans, and it's rude to her fans.

She's throwing everyone under the bus for a dumb clique of expats living in Japan. And then she pretends she's in a bubble, when it's all about her choosing her friends over the people she owes; somehow the "bubble" isn't a problem to Kiara or any of the ID holos, even someone extremely autistic like Moona, but it's an impossible constraint for Mori, who has lived for YEARS in Japan.

And get it through your thick skull that this isn't about her collabing outside of Hololive. Everyone has a past life. Mori isn't fucking special. This about Mori giving bullshit excuses to get away from even interacting with the people she owes, and putting on a shitshow every other time she does. All for a group of people who wouldn't have given her the time of day before she got her success. They are the ones who think Hololive is a passing gimmick and are using it as one. But no, Mori, I bet they're totally your friends. You're different. Because you're you!

>>4716327
Pretty much this, Mori needs to stop being such a cunt or fak off.

>>4716327
>people she owes,

youre retarded, suck a bag of dicks.

>Did you like it and why?
I will never watch it

>>4716327
>she owes

she doesnt owe anyone. Everyone benefited from her being in hololive including Hololive itself. Youre acting like JP holos genuinely want to collab with ENs - they dont. JP is all about fake nicety, but they arent comfortable interacting with gaijins and are never going to learn english competently enough to communicate with anyone in english.

>>4716327
Mucho texto

>>4716327
holobased

>>4717739
>>4717928
She owes at least 10k subs out of the gate because that's what she had before she even debuted.

>>4717928
>Youre acting like JP holos genuinely want to collab with ENs - they dont.
Oh, go fuck yourself.

>JP is all about fake nicety
Yeah, and it's a pity that's the only thing about Mori that will ever be Japanese.

>>4718282
All of EN surpassed the Gen 5 record in subs before debut so actually more than 100k subs

>>4718442
All carried by their senpais and Gura.
If Gura isn't in HoloEN, I doubt anyone would give a shit about them.

>>4717928
>are never going to learn english competently enough to communicate with anyone in english
Is the English learning stream arc over? Did any of them learn to speak conversational English or was it just a fad?

>>4718601
no nobody learned ENglish, its just bait to dip into the English audience. I dont think any of them are seriously learning English besides duolingo streams.

>>4718601
You could speak a thousand tongues and still fail if you lack knowledge of another's culture. Look at the chicken.

>>4717928
>she doesnt owe anyone.
Without Hololive Mori is just another random roastie with no talent or ability. Hololive pulled her out of the mud and she repaid it by being absolute shit towards everyone and everything.

>>4710492
This. I actually feel bad about the Ollie bullying. She's young, impressionable, and honestly too passionate for her own good. Of course she'll go googly eyed when people the she's looked up to for her entire life suddenly notice her.

I really wish I could give Mori the same leniency, but honestly its really really difficult to when she's been more or less like this since day one, and she's old and cynical enough to know what she's doing.

>>4717928
Based, hopefully the JP branch keeps that attitude up and keeps the Trashtaste faggots and all of Mori's other buddies away. Hololive EN was a mistake. We should've gatekeeped harder like the Niji faggots. Now we just get faggots making the "Hololive is an idol company xd" joke as they get more and more eceleb faggots to collab with them.

>>4716327
>cover isn't a charity
>all the holostars were practically homeless before being picked up by Yagoo
lol

>>4718923
she has both talent and ability and had a full time job lol.

>>4719568
They were still homeless for a full year

>>4719605
a full time job as a JET teacher making minimum wage and living in an apartment just big enough for a PC and a Bed

>>4719605
Watch azki's 72 hour indie music streams and check all the people with talent and ability that have sub 10k subs, it isn't worth shit without luck or someone big to promote you, and it isn't a joke that they took her out of the mud, she lived on one of those nightmare apartments that you see on youtube for the equivalent of $200

>>4718601
Not really, but Nene came pretty close, although that's more than anything due to her doing actual English study that isn't green owl related. She can interpret about 60% of the English messages she gets without a translator, and can often string together babyish sentences in response. Its not amazing, but its still better than what most of the JP's got to.

>>4719722
And Mori's roommate had way more than 10k subs and a professional animator, her music videos were animated and edited by herself. Suck a dick.

>>4719140
>attempting to gatekeep and ruin the only reason hololive is bigger than nijisanji in the first place
You do know that without the EN market that you disdain hololive would still be a distant second, right?

>Watching Calliope's asmr and rap videos
>Watch Gura's singing videos

I don't pay attention to the drama shit because I imagine it is all blown out of proportion by people that have nothing better to do than speculate on anime girls' fake drama.

>>4704706
>p-please leave

>>4712163
This reads absolutely insane to me as someone who only watches western indies and vshojo. Like actual, unironic brain damage insane. Do holofags REALLY?

>>4720302
And that's was actually good thing because hololive was better when it wasn't filled with retards flanderizing them

>>4720155
Oh wow she had 50k subs after how many years? Completely demolished by her holo persona in a matter of seconds. I'm not even arguing that mori isn't talented, but you can't say that she shouldn't be grateful to cover and to the ones that made it possible for her current success

>>4720582

>>4720582
yes theyre insane. I was against vshojo collab, but now ive changed my mind. Im in favour of anything that makes these guys seethe.

>>4720582
>as someone who only watches western indies and vshojo
>talking about having brain damage

>>4720692
she is grateful , but she doesnt owe anything to anyone. She earned it and is more worthy than most holos of the success.

>>4720767
I'm not the one having a meltdown over a girl having fun playing video games with someone who is not her "genmate" or "senpai".

I really don't care, what the fuck is shadowverse anyway?

>>4720155
The only reason she kept afloat was because she latched to TOS. Hell, the only reason she was as successful as she was was because K's had to constantly clean after her mess so she could release her EP for debut.

>>4720155
And now she’s over a million subs in less than a year and hit an iTunes #1 with backing from Cover.

She’s doesn’t owe them everything, but like 90% seems about right. That’s not reflected in her work, specifically collabs and HL interactions, though.

>>4720879
>She doesn’t owe anything to anyone
Jesus Christ you can’t actually be serious.

>>4720909
shitty online card game. """"anime""""" artstyle but the devs eventually un-lewded the art in order to appeal to SJWs

>>4720909
Anime Hearthstone

>>4720879
>She earned it and is more worthy than most holos of the success.
I know this is bait but deadbraps really think like this

>>4721058
>>4721230
So if she's gonna be streaming dogshit anyway, why complain about having some anituber on and making it even more dogshit? I mean, it's not like it's HOLOEN: NEW OUTFIT FULL COLLAB FEATURING: SOME FAGGOT

>>4720962
>>4721014
yes serious.

Yes company is responsible for the big boost, its a big platform, but cali deserves to be on the platform and did a lot to prove her worth. She is far more qualified than most jp holos. Hololive didnt create her from nothing like they did some others. Its not some girl out of highschool.

>>4704247
Sex is actually not the solution you seem to believe it is. Have you tried following the eightfold path?

>>4721487
Read the thread, you stupid fuck. This has been explained over and over again.

>>4721500
>but cali deserves to be on the platform
Already incorrect because one, she never cared about vtubers, two, she sent the application because a friend told her, it wasn't her volition. If anything she owes her life to that friend

>>4720962
She doesn't owe them anything, if she wasn't talented she wouldn't be this big in the first place. No other holos have even come close to Mori's numbers musically so this mythical "hololive boost" clearly is all in your head.

>>4721487
Because collabing and giving attention to anitubers is fucking retarded, regardless of what's being streamed. Especially when you have literally 0 energy when you stream with your own company.

>>4721487
Don't mind me just answering the question

>>4721500
>cali deserves to be on the platform and did a lot to prove her worth
Like what?

>>4721797
did the music thingy. Got ppl to throw money at the screen.

>>4719605
Talent, ability, and a job that were worth absolute dogshit until Holo picked her ungrateful ass up

>>4721691
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I didn't get anything out of any of that.

>>4721500
>cali deserves to be on the platform
You mean the platform she doesn't give a single shit about and actively shirks?

>>4721834
You mean the bare minimum everyone else does?

>>4721834
So just like her countless senpais except that they are actually grateful that cover gave them the platform where people will hear them?

>>4721730
>if she wasn’t talented she wouldn’t be this big in the first place
How the fuck can you faggots be this dense? If she wasn’t a part of Hololive she wouldn’t this big in the first place you retard. This Hololive boost is real for your ungrateful oshi and always has been

>>4721865
You sure showed me.

>>4704136
a little cringe at times but it was generally fun. a bit worried with the future prospects of vtuber's popularization in american consciousness. e.g. stupid shit like pokimane trying to cash in on this shit, and all crige en vtubers on twitter.

just hope these guys and their manager knows to set boundaries, and follow through.

>>4705872
holoBASED

>>4721500
Yes the company is responsible for almost all her success, but she doesn’t owe them anything?

Lol, this isn’t some 9-5; she got internet famous instantaneously through major backing.
>>4721730
>No members have close to her numbers musically
No shit - way more people worldwide listen to English music than Japanese music. Hold the fucking presses. I’m not saying she’s horrible but she is not the most musically talented there at all.

>>4721996
>caring about a stream that I'll skip anyway because of some schizos complaining on /vt/

>>4721937
Yeah im sure Holostars are greateful on how Cover have treated them. Nice 3d rig Roberu m8. Im sure Mel is grateful on getting a stalker manager. etc.

>>4721730
Half the holos destroyed mori's most popular song before she was a holo

>>4709585
more miserable bastards were unlucky enough to have Mori as their oshi than Ollie

>>4722116
Yes the holostars are grateful, hear literally any of them talk and they say that their glad they're in holostars at this moment, and if mel spited cover she would have left, instead she's having fun and she collabs with everyone. Give me another example so I can tell you how you don't watch or care about hololive

>>4708946
She supposed to do better after that meme review disaster where Coco called her out on the bullshit in front of 75K people if that next collab with dragon and Ollie is not much better there will be a riot.

>>4722261
lol, you expect ppl to criticise cover in public? We arent blind and they are under strict contracts.

>>4722314
Is Cover testing Calli's commitment by putting up another collab with Coco?
If it's a test, then I hope she fails and graduates.

>>4706662
this is just embarrassing
I had no idea ironic weebs could be this ironic

>>4706431
there's no evidence that this isn't initiated by Mori herself

>>4722381
Not an argument retard, they don't have the obligation to suck off cover yet they say that they are grateful, if they don't like it they can shut up and say nothing.

>>4704136
I find Gigacuck's humour a bit cringy, not to mention him leaving the UK because he was seething about Brexit.

But like, Trash Taste seems well matched for Calli. They operate on a similar level of cringiness, so good for her, I guess. idk, I skipped it because I don't like Giga-cuck tho

>>4720582
>The people who are always right are the ones with brain damage

>>4707028
you are mentally ill

The only reason Mori had a musical career at all before Hololive was because of TamaOnSen. Even after her debut she was still massively carried by them for music production. The only thing impressive about her were the MVs she did for THHK, something that is leagues above the amount of effort she has put on anything Hololive related.

I don't know where this idea that she deserves all the fucking success in the world comes from. Her greatest achievements are on something that has fuck-all to do as a vtuber. She has barely done any animation as Calliope Mori, she doesn't even karaoke regularly; even someone Himemori Luna, a girl that sounds like a baby and has next to no stamina, has karaokes every month.

Please tell me how Mori deserves more success than Astel, who had a 24 hour-long singing stream. Or how she deserves it more than Suisei, who started as an indie and got actively shafted by Cover when they brought her over, yet persevered so she could interact with the rest. Or how she deserves so much more than Towa, AZKi or Risu, singers who are so much better than her yet are nowhere near her in success.

>>4722834
>Towa, AZKi or Risu

Lmao, Towa has a unique voice but she doesnt sing very well at all, azki and risu are generic level singers, nothing special even ironmouse is more impressive singer.

>>4723144
And mori is better? Get the fuck out

>>4723171
ye she's better.

>>4723247
(You)

>>4722834
>I don't know where this idea that she deserves all the fucking success in the world comes from.
Because most people in these type of anime hobbies literally only listen to anime music and video game OST. They have no idea that you can spend a literal lifetime finding random good musicians on soundcloud and youtube that will never get any fame because they are one in a million.

>>4710376
Then why join a company that markets itself heavily as an idol management company? Why do people who seem to hate idolshit want so badly to work or collab with a company that deals with idolshit?

>>4722834
Proper timing pretty much

>>4722834
Just speaking English makes the rest of this irrelevant. The language barrier is the biggest one of the all.

>>4723386
The most viewed collab of 2020 is in English, featuring two holomember that can't even speak the language properly.

I don't think that Mori should graduate yet. At the very least I think that her tard wrangler should wrangle her more and at least encourage more collabs with genmates or senpai. Out of company collabs are fine as long as it is with actual other Vtubers (even if it is a slut from Vshojo) and rare or a special occasion. The magic itself kinda disappears if it goes beyond 2D interacting with 2D.

>>4722834
Normalfags are ironically the ones who are actually incapable of empathizing

>>4720582
kill yourself tranny

>>4722395
I'm sure she asked about it herself because she was having sooooo much fun she even forgot to clap 80% of the time!

>>4723346
because it's popular and they want a piece of it duh

>>4723967
that's kinda her shtick

>>4706386
So what?

Nope hated it.

>>4720302
>without the EN market that you disdain hololive would still be a distant second
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc

People here act like there is any "owing to hololive" things while the collab is under the permission. If all fans were gatekeepers as you guys there is no HoloEN in the first place. Hell, even at the time when hololive was still struggling, reaching every possible collabs. Look at the number of likes and dislikes of the recent collab. You gatekeepers ARE the minority. Most of us fans aren't insecure faggots and watch hololive because it's fun and enjoyable to do so, not because of the loyalty or whatsoever. Take meds, and enjoy your oshi without seething like a self-entitled control freak.

>>4724568
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>4704136
I just like watching an anime avatar much more than a real face that's all

>>4704136
I like it only because how much it makes people like you seeth that's all, and damn seeing how butthurt people get I'm enjoying it more and more

>>4705872
Based

It's just how it is

>>4722834
>these people worked hard too so they deserve success more
Lemme tell you how the world works, boyo, if you're good at what you do you're good, Mori has the talent to rise up while the others didn't, simple as that. Her success was earned because she's a master at her craft.

>>4706662
Anon, your weeb reps ...

>>4706946
>pro-collab

Where have you been for the last 10 hours

>>4725959
I hope you don't actually believe the shit you're spouting.

>>4720899
Indeed. You're a twitchfag and likely fall into the later part of pic related.

>>4726081
Numbers don't lie, show me where Tiwa or Azki have 1 million subs, original songs with 20M views, show me where Suisei has as much superchats as Mori. Mori manages to achieve that with the same playing ground because she's better, plain and simple

>>4709212
>And what the fuck is this Connor grooming rrat?!

Mouse and Ollie I'd assume

>>4726095
Ogey

>>4726185

kys

>>4726095
>no you don't understand, it makes perfect sense to have a massive temper tantrum over a streamer having fun playing video games with someone I don't like and you're just trying to ruin my hobby by calling it ridiculous

>>4726185
sauce?

>>4723346
$

>>4711181
Sounds awful lot like /tg/

>>4726206
How upset are you that there's no downvoting here unlike back home?

>>4726200
>Imagine being tilted as fuck by some vtuber collabs.

You should overdose on those schizo meds

>>4726173
Nope, not playing your game. You'll have to try harder.

>>4726217
Neo dutch wife

>>4726173
It pretty clearly isn't a even playing ground. English speaking audience is way way bigger. It might be that mori's music is better than the others but it still sucks. She wouldn't be successful without hololive as the history shows.

>>4726270
Not nearly as upset as you are getting parasocially cucked, my friend

>>4726206
>>4726400
>I entered the vtuber board on this website and people here care about vtubers, how could it be?
Being mad has never made anyone wrong.

>>4726462
There's a difference between "caring about vtubers" and whatever insane fucking schizo meltdown you're currently going through

Please take a break before it's too late

>>4726550
I'm not even the guy you were talking to. I'm simply pointing out that you're not saying anything that refutes anyone in any measure. This reply chain has consistently has only a few sentences on both sides of it, so I don't know what meltdown you're talking about either.

>>4726462
Do you really care about them, or do you really care if they are in the image that you want?

>>4726607
He's not used to being disagreed with. It's frowned upon where he comes from.

I enjoy it because it makes retards seethe and distracts the chinese

>>4722395
Or she just wants to do collab with Coco? Why is it always Cover doing these and not just Mori wanting to it anyway.

>>4704698
suicide is a more efficient option

>>4704136
anitubers are genuinely some of the biggest talentless hacks on youtube

>>4726550
I guess saying hololive shouldn't change what made them great is step too far for you. Your post are way more rage filled than he's was but that seems to be to norm with people like to who subvert entertaiment. ¨>

>>4704889
>He says, as he repeats the cvck narrative

>>4726390
There are more english speaking people, but it doesn't mean a bigger audience. The % of people deep enough in anime shit is far far higher in Japan. Plus far mor of the english audience will watch JP vtubers than the opposite, because JP were first and overall more choice

>>4726462
Why are you mad again? Did you forgot your meds?
>>4726788
Didn't think you'd bring a projector that big

>>4716327
So should Mori collab with more JPs in your opinion?

>>4722834
>"I'm very jealous and salty" the essay

>>4723715
Have sex, incel

>>4726859

hololive stans unironically need to touch grass they are the worst in the vtubing community

>>4726630
That's not relevant, but yes, I do. I used to care about Mori a lot. She wasn't the first vtuber I followed or anything, but there was a time I absolute considered her my favorite. There were some streams by her I will never forget.

But she has really disappointed me as time goes on. It's not just one thing, but her over-all mentality and the way she goes about things. Everything I thought was admirable in her turned out to have come about for the worst reasons.

I don't care if she collabs with males or whatever. Hell, I would kill to see K's in one of her streams again. I actually wanted to see her collab with Cr1tikal in some fashion, since it was clearly someone she liked for a long time. I don't know much about Gigguk and his friends and I gave them the benefit of the doubt, but they didn't strike me as good hosts when she was invited to their podcast. I'm not judging her friend choice, but I do have to wonder if they have her best interest as a part of Hololive in mind, considering some of their statements regarding vtubers, who in the scene they're related, and their general vibes. Of course they have a right to have an opinion and be acquaintances with whoever they please, but if they do have such thoughts then I think it better that they don't interact with "Calliope Mori", who is part of Hololive and owned by Cover.

>>4725959
You clearly have never put yourself out there, success is a combination of variables i would say 5% talent, 35% Hard work and perserverance and the other 60% is luck and circunstances, if it's not more, even Mori have said this at some point, Yes being talented helps you skipping some steps, working Hard and profesionalism will mostly secure whatever possition you May adquire and help you grow as an artist, while perserverance will make more chances for your work to reach opportunities witch it's the decisive factor, you May include experience into this because desition making it's key to react to good oportunities while deflecting bad ones, but even with all this nothing matters if you are not discovered or appreciated by someone that can estimate your value and capitalize on it in an effective way. Thats how reality works, and even if that anon conducts his argument in a way that it makes it seems like Mori's success it's hardly product of her influence alone,
It is as well a blattant lie that it is not the same for every one on this earth, on every period of time and on whatever you strive to success.
If you ask me about my opinion even if her success lies on a chain of arbitrar circunstances she is not show showing enough maturity and experience to figure out how did she got here and why people put her on the same standard of the other Holos who did understood

>>4726977
twitter

>>4726977
>touch grass
way to out yourself as a zoomer tourist

>>4704136
It was a good collab. She felt much more comfortable and natural than when she collabs with other Hololive members. Honestly don't get why people are angry, Gigguk isn't even that bad, better than Nuxtaku or something.

>>4716327
>her senpais are the reason she's where she is
Nigger, forget her senpais, Gura is the reason she is where she is, just like the rest of EN.

>>4726977
>underaged twitter faggot
Kill yourself

>>4704174
I genuinely hope you and your ilk get struck down by a stray bolt of lightning in real life.

>>4704136
>westernized direction hololive is going
The only ones pushing that are Mori and Kiara.
Kiara seems to have a fragile relationship with her gen mates, so she may not feel comfortable with them and want to build outside relationships to compensate that. From a streamer perspective if Kiaras character went through some minor changes, namely the voice pitch she uses, she would have more success. She is engaging and entertaining enough that she should have more views then what she does. She reminds me of an early Fusile because she doesn't seem to recognize when shes being to vulnerable and open and when she needs to be more closed off. She displays a lot of traits that are similar to Sykkuno/other OTV personalities. So she probably needs others to help buffer her personality until she can learn when to be closed off. This should be provided by her genmates, but see above. She also needs to remove herself from the married idea she has about being an Idol streamer and remember her EN moniker. Shes not an Idol, and if thats what she chooses to be she needs to remember and understand that the West doesn't have the concept of celebrity or Idol that the East does so she isn't going to have the level of success that she has. Out of all the EN streamers Kiara is the only one who consistently speaks in Japanese, which not only alienates her from the Wester audience with a language barrier, but makes her seem spastic constantly shifting back and forth, because I'm sure she puts extra energy into trying to reengage viewers if she thinks shes alienating them. So for Kiara working with some Western streamers would probably benefit her.

Mori just doesn't understand what streaming is. And she doesn't seem to care. Shes doing the same parasocial relationship building with the collab she just did with Trash Talks bungalow butt bomber that she has done in her other collabs. Initially there's some presence and then it will just fade away. The jokes on her though, because TT are leeches so all it will do is hurt her "career" and distance her from her genmates who aren't struggling or are fine where they are like Watson, Gura and Ina. So in battleless brappers case, she needs to collab outside Hololive or her content will stagnate and become uninteresting.

>>4726952
Ogey

>>4727940
>she needs to collab outside Hololive or her content will stagnate and become uninteresting.
she has music

>>4728091
She raps like a cracker on a good day and you know it. It's catchy enough, but she never got anywhere before corporate backing for a reason.

>>4726173
Ahhhhh now the numberfag is trying to teach us a lesson

>>4728240
>corporate backing
if she graduated right now she would make more money as an indie

>>4728372
Why doesn't she so that, then?

You do have to wonder what having a fanbase made of children who think talent and numbers are the same thing. What does it do to you, knowing that most of your fanbase would spit on you if you'd met a year prior, and would do the same to most of your friends?

>>4726173
Mori wouldn't have the actual audience to even introduce her first song to begin with if it wasn't for Hololive. They had 100k subs before debut. 50k min live viewers on each debut. They had the whole existence of JP and EN hololive audience sharing and discussing and hyping them up after debut. All were forgiving even with the whole scuff. Everyone stayed and watched. She can release her song on her roommate's account and it will perform the same way like her old songs. The boost is what made her show up in everyone's recommendations.

>>4728432
Are you kidding? Even if she seems naive and dumb she knows that she cant just leave without minding her reputation, remember that its in her best interest bring as much of her and Hololive fans with her as posible.

>>4728446
Noone in their right minds actually cares that she collabed with a dude or that it was gigguk. What anyone sensible is pointing out is her hypocrisy that showed in spades. All her fumbling, indifference and overall unprofessional behavior were just really her not liking the people she is collabing or worst the job she signed up on. It's easy to just say fuck cover. We just want Mori but you have to understand that Hololive is not just an agency. It's brand comes from the unity that the girls show. The support and chemistry they have with each other to which Mori can't seem to bother with. If she actually makes an effort then opinions will change.

>we don't hate Mori collabing with male youtubers
>we just hate how she isn't as happy or as hype when she is collabing with her fellow hololive girls
>only say this after she collabed with a male youtuber
Yeah

>>4720302
May I remind who the nijikiller is? It's not HOLOEN BTW

I want off of this Timeloop.

>>4704136
you know what holoen needs......anitubers

>>4723300
>random good musicians that will never get any fame
It's so fucking sad man. There are so many insane musicians that work extremely hard and put out good music, but they're just unlucky, and these mediocre people make it big and tell them they're not working hard enough.

>>4728587
she has enough money to go indie as DD and join VShojo

>>4726173
Numbers don't lie. 1.3 billion people speak English, and only 126 million people speak nip.
Oh, wow! EN are all at million subscribers because they have a much much larger potential audience. The playing ground is not the same.

>>4719039
>Of course she'll go googly eyed when people the she's looked up to for her entire life suddenly notice her.
Be honest, would you not?

>>4728695
You know she has collabed with Rika before right? Where was the outrage then? If anything I am outraged with how fucking awkward it was. I felt bad for Rika

>>4728695
Well duhh yeah retard, because they had something to compare to it now

>>4728240
It's mostly the music producer who makes it listenable and cowrites the songs. He's done stuff for other holos, vtubers, etc.

>>4728695
change male youtuber to anituber and youll be right

>>4726390
>She wouldn't be successful without hololive as the history shows.
theres nothing magical about hololive

>>4728695
Yeah, because she showed she actually could bring some energy to a collab so what once could be looked on as just her being an autist with no social skills was actually her just not giving a shit

>>4726977
kill yourself you underage twitter troglodyte nigger faggot.

>>4729111
It isn't really magic. They are hardworking girls that has been at this for many years. The girls that reached 1M like Fubuki has been grinding from the very beginning. They promote each other. They like ewch other and play well with everyone. It's a brand that people care about. Cover also did a lot of successful business decisions that helped them gain more acclaim. There is no magic here. So for someone to be so indifferent like Mori is just so disappointing. Why even be there. She has to try 100x harder in her streams. Or just be a vsinger. Or graduate and be your roommate. That way she wont have restrictions and call it a bubble

I hope EN 2 doesn't have any members that care about or have any connections to western e-celebs. I like the culture around Hololive and don't want to see it subverted. I'm especially weary of western streamers that will act like Connor and try to connect themself to one of the girls. Furthermore, most of these e-celeb streamers are only as large as they are because people stick around for the drama they constantly create. There are so many vtubers that would be much better fits for Holo collabs that there isn't any reason to go near those e-celeb time bombs.

>>4725959
>what is advertising

>>4729349
hopefully scouting/HR make the right picks

>>4728801
>he's dumb enough to believe that there are 1.3 billion English speaking anime fans out there
Topkek, the potential English fanbase isn't that big, the only difference is that EN are more entertaining and so attracted more subs from both English and Japanese viewers.

>>4716327
ARShime is never wrong

>>4720879
>this is what westerners truly thinks
Words cant describe how much I fucking despise you westerner faggots. People like you makes me thinks that all t he bullshit that happened in your shit country is a karma that is bestowed towards your acts of absolute degeneracy and lack of responsibility. I unironically hope you can drop dead and leave the vtuber hobby so we can appreciate what they actually are. And while you're at it, bring Mori with you as well. Ungrateful fucks

>>4729725
imagine simping this hard for a literal corporation whose mission is to extract as much money from you as possible

>>4729636
What is more entertaining to you is very subjective. Pekora mogs eveyone in live viewers. All of HoloJP top performers mogs the rest in live viewers across all vtuber sphere. There is no comparison here. They produce the most varied content be it special streams, zatsu, karaoke, games, concerts and even tournaments. EN is entertaining but just because you can't understand anything beyond clips doesn't make JP less.

>>4729771
>m-muh corporation ebilll!!!!
Not only a westerner but also a fucking leftist. Unironically chop off your micropenis, inject yourself with some estrogen, and join 40% club you fucking faggot. Vtuber was a fucking interesting entertainment before you disgusting westerner tries to disrespect the vtubing culture and tries to bring your degenerate trash like eceleb whores, gross western politics, and anitubers to this hobby.

>>4727377
and Gura is there because of her senpais' effort, she said that herself, same shit.

>>4729832
touch grass incel

>>4728372
You overestimate the amount of people that get involved in roommate shit in any capacity. Only a small minority would know who she is if she graduated, she'd be fucked.

>>4729873

>>4726001
What? The celebrity status and idolization of japanese voice actors sucks, the fact that they are often the most well paid individuals on any production is a tragedy not something to strive towards or feel good about.

>>4704884
They know its indefensible, but they are still on copium.

>>4726270
>go back to /vt/
>there are LITERAL redditors here right now

>>4707728
What happens outside of the screen is not my business as a viewer, they could fuck like rabbits for all I care.