/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I think is the better decision. She's clearly has issues.

>>47367294
huh, why?

Her poor math skills will prevent her from graduating.

>>47367294
Why would you want her to graduate? She's back to streaming 5x a week.

The first voice actor quit a long time ago. Mumei is now doing work for two characters and that made her sick.

If she's legit not into hololive anymore then yeah, she should leave if she's just not gonna stream at all anymore and keep the "I'll stream more, OOPS I didn't stream huhaha" loop going to piss people off even more. It doesn't help that she's super secretive about what's going on with her and her general refusal to mention anything that goes on in her life. Which is fine, she can keep her privacy. But then she also doesn't take a single minute to make a tweet or a community post, so yeah a lot of it is on her.

So yeah, if she's fucking done, she should leave before she ends up hating and resenting hololive and the people in it as well as the fans. The fans aren't even being unreasonable towards her, that's the thing, it's legit 100% on her and always has been and she refuses to communicate. So if she's done with it all then yeah, I see no point in this bullshit loop continuing unless she's in it for the money farming before leaving which is a good way to hustle it, I guess.

>>47367353
>we

she really ought to be preparing now for whatever it is she wants to do to say goodbye.

it may be that she just doesn't want to keep doing anything in hololive other than the big special events and occasional collabs. the policy seems to be that members who graduate on good terms still have opportunities to participate in those, and it's unlikely that graduating would affect her ability to join next year's holofes, or a concert with a JP member, for example. the best way to set fan expectations to match that would be to formalize it.

it may also be that she would like to keep doing all the normal hololive activities, but can't because of some problem---seemingly, likely one caused by the stress of being in hololive. in that case it is cruel to ask her to stay. for her to be, apparently, totally unable to schedule any substantial amount of ordinary live streams in advance is a serious and alarming sign that something is very wrong.

either way, it's been at least a full year of her heading in this direction with no sign of anything to come except more of the same. if she were going to turn it around, there would have been a clear sign by now, and there has been none. i sympathize with the fans who don't want to lose her, but they will realize before too long that they already have, and she just hasn't said goodbye.

>>47367294
The only people who should graduate are those who actively harm Hololive. Such as the EN Homos, and Kronii who runs to management to make official statements that throw the actual fans under the bus.

>>47368162
you're thinking of termination, being fired. graduation is leaving on good terms.

>>47367294
No.
Her continued existence generates countless amounts of seethe and she doesn't even have to give them any material like other chubbas do.
She's on an entire other plane of mental dominance when she gets more threads made about her than Holo members who actually stream.
Any attempt to deny the fact that they're seething about a dribbling idiot larping as a fish holds no weight. Thank god my oshi is fucking underground compared to Gura on this board, I've never seen such pure brain rot from antis like Guras before in my entire time lurking.
Truly the vtuber protag

>>47367294
Gura should have sex with me

>>47367294
>The top vtuber decided to do what she want.
>NOOO SHE CANT DO THAT, SHE NEED TO GRADUATE
It all sound so familiar like in a real world.

>>47367294
Well, since you want serious replies:
If she doesn't want to stream anymore, yes.
If she wants to stream but has other things going on preventing her from streaming, then she should take a break and get that stuff dealt with first.
If she's just being lazy, tar and feather her rich ass.

>>47367294
the only thing I ask is for some level of transparency. If she wants to go part time, fucking say it.

>>47367353
Imagine sending a akasupa just to tell her how she should work. I hope she just ignores it.

>>47368162
Kek, Yagoo love them too much to let them go

>>47367353
She should just ban this fake nigga. He makes real chumbies look bad

Not gonna comment on whether she should graduate or not, but if she's not going to then she should try to communicate more with her fans. The reason her fans are complaining is because of her lack of communication and long periods of silence.
She doesn't have to share what's happening in her private life as that's her business, but at least communicate when shit is going on. I think that would solve a lot of the problems that are plaguing her fanbase right now and it's such a simple thing to do.

Whatever choice she makes, as long as she is happy, I'm fine with it.

She makes money for yagoo why the fuck do you think shell graduate?

>>47368866
Cuck

>>47367294
Who cares

>>47368193
>I love the drama
>BUT DON'T YOU DARE TALK SHIT ABOUT HER!
How can people be this retarded?

>>47367964
in other words, she grew too big to the point of burnout of the highest level. Should've given her her react content if she wanted to keep going

>>47370312
the twitchnigger bacillus must be exterminated from the whole of the earth. may a hundred treblinkas blaze day and night until nothing remains of the twitchnigger race but smoke and ash.

Just take a leaf out of Ayame or Aqua's books. Don't stream for weeks or months on end but throw your fans the occasion bone with a tweet, cover or official shill Collab and if you say that you're going to do something then do it

>>47367294
i'd tell you if she gave us the slightest hint what the problem is

>>47368834
Fans dont complain little bitches with an agenda do

>>47367294
no (serious response)
>lemao

>>47370603
Kek. She is worse than Ayame and Aqua. For all the shit people give those two girls, they at least put out some content on the channel like a cover every so often. Gura just goes on week long breaks for "Hololive homework" but have nothing to show for it. How many solo covers/OG songs did she say she had in the works again?

>>47367294
If shes not going to explain whats going on then yes. Or at least announce she's going part time.

>>47367353
There is literally nothing wrong with what he said

>>47370809
She’s released 3 covers and 2 originals what’s your point. She did a 3D live, an animation and made guest appearances in 6+ different lives including holo summer. Outside of Queen she never said she had solo covers and multiple were released. You don’t watch Gura or Hololive apparently if you think she’s done nothing.

She wants what what powerhouses of gen 2 are smoking. The problem is that there are only 10 of them in en.

>>47371244
How many of those were funded by Cover or is a Collab cover again?

I see so much people that don’t watch gura saying it would make sense if she did. Remember your headcanon isn’t real especially when you don’t watch them

>>47368355
imagine doing your FUCKING JOB crazy right? KEKW

>>47371302
All lives are funded by cover if it’s in their studio but her 3D wasn’t so she paid for it and the animation. 2 of the covers were funded by her and shion but the other 3 weren’t but again what’s your point? Trying to move the goalpost by saying it doesn’t count if you don’t fund it

>>47367294
Gura bait threads are the best on the board. Retards bite almost every time.

>>47371415
How much times have you sent an actor mail on how to act? An artist how to paint? She didn’t ask you to watch or to wait so stop seething

>>47367294
Related question: should you quit the vtubing hobby altogether? Im worried about your mental health.

>>47367294
It's another manifestation of the beasty instinct of the masses which drives you to sacrifice the most noble member of the society as the sacred lamb.

>>47367294
No.
She's the last line of defense for what makes vtubers great.
If she's gone we will be stuck with male collabing whores and western thots.

>>47370669
only little bitches lie down and let someone walk all over them
especially if they've paid for merch and supported the vtuber
literal bottom of the barrel betas that are better off removed from the gene pool permanently

>>47371415
>KEKW
the absolute state of this board, literally filled with SEA children

>>47367353
Holly mother of autism. Have some fucking shame

>>47371573
>Makes a lot of money from merch and fan support
>Doesn't reinvest back into Hololive to produce content
>Expects to be spoonfed by Cover and/or other members to reduce cost
All I see is she is planning to make as much gains as possible with the least possible investment cost then dip out not too long after.

>>47367596
Good take

>>47367964
It’s all kinda sad but I agree with this.

>>47372219
Ignoring the thousand dollar animation, 3D live, reflect mv, cover with shion once again wrong. First she didn’t produce anything, then it didn’t count because she didn’t spend money, so you’re 0/2 right now. Do you plan on moving the goalpost again?

If Gura graduates I won't be able to bully chumbuds here anymore, so I vote no.

If she left would you consider it to be the definitive end to Hololive hegemony in the vtuber sphere? I would.

>>47370312
For real. Niggas were hating and crying about her doing react content and now they get no content

>>47370312
Burn out from what? From what? You need to do something to burn out. This bitch didn't even put in 40 hours a week when she was streaming at her max output. Projects? Where are the fucking results? How the fuck is she "burning out" working like 10 days a month?

>>47373024
That is part of it but the other half is she likes to play games once and move to the next one. The perms guy is either actively ignoring her or he’s working harder for the boys. She keeps giving him a list of games and then she never gets those games. Or management keeps them from playing like hogwarts legacy

>>47373024
React content is so lazy and boring that I’d rather any bitch or retard in every single corpo graduate before reacting to tiktok compilation #37292649. If the best she could come up with is react content to keep consistent streams then she can stay fucked.

>>47367353
>tfw no one is gonna pay you 100 dollars to tell you to improve yourself

>>47373233
>No Stream: LAZY!!!, Stream: LAZY!!!

Don’t watch. I will

>>47367294
as holofan yes
looks like she given up on streaming and just forcefully doin it

a new gen might save her but in the end its all up to her.

>>47367294
Yes. It's a bad look for EN to have its headline talent pissing off her fans by never streaming.

Imagine if she actually comes back for good and all of these months of shitposting result in nothing, kek.

>>47373097
She used to stream 20 times a month as recent as early last year, she’s released 10+ covers/original, a personal animation, 3D live, made a guest appearance in 6+ lives including holosummer so why are you implying she doesn’t do anything. And no she’s not burned out she just doesn’t want to stream

>>47372954
No. Gura has not been the peak of Hololive for a long time now. She's basically been regulated to mascot status, coasting on her past efforts for a good while now. The more time she spends being lazy the less of an impact her graduation will be.

JP branch will go uneffected. Global will take a hit but the internet has the memory of a fucking goldfish. Pikamee was supposedly one of the biggest, most influential "indie" chubas out there and everybody moved on in less then week. Gura graduating would be hot news for maybe 2 weeks before everybody gets bored and moves on. Gen 3 would make everybody forget even faster.

>>47373303
Don’t watch what? The react content Gura doesn’t do? Retard.

>>47367294
No. She's not even an exception.

>>47373233
Retard she would’ve reacted to old hologra episodes. If you don’t watch her why are you seething

>>47367294
No.
I want to see the situation get worse.
Her graduating will end things too soon.

>>47373472
lol, lmao even. This board is just zoomer NEETs and it really shows.

>>47373498
Yes I read something on this board so it had to be true. There’s no way it could be wrong. Fucking retard

>>47373599
Mmhm, because reacting would’ve begun and ended with hologra. I’m glad that shit got shut down. You can rewatch that shit in your own time and imagine her voice while you watch it.

>>47373522
if she did do it imbecile. Keep seething at react content bozo. You have no impact whatsoever

>>47371244
5 songs? Wow. Meanwhile Mori has several times that. Is doing concerts. And still streaming consistently

>>47373715
No individual has an impact on this but apparently there was enough group sentiment to have her not do react shit. Bozo, hold that react L. You have no impact whatsoever.

>>47373749
Mori is a harder worker and a better person because she’s able to actually show the fruits of her labor in her music as well as find a good streaming groove while balancing her music and other Hololive projects. Gura isn’t talented or hardworking enough to do this. She is also much more lazy than Mori.

>>47373769
No one has ever graduated because of react content hate, lmao eat a dick seething retard

>>47373848
When did I say anyone has reacted from react content hate? I said that I’d rather a vtuber just fuck off and graduate than stoop to reacting as “entertainment” on their streams.

>>47373903
Graduated**

>>47367294
No and everyone saying yes is a retarded drama faggot who doesn't care about streams or the chuubas, they just want to light up the catalog with endless shitposts like this one

>>47373749
>>47373798
Unless you’re trying to say mori is the hardest working member in hololive which would be wrong your point doesn’t matter. You said she did nothing it was shown she’s done multiple things so now you bring up mori to prove she does more music that’s impressive she also drinks more alcohol, more likely to do drugs, most likely to get pregnant, most likely to go broke and is more likely to die by the age of 40. You might not know this but despite all this extra work and releasing all these songs Gura is still more popular than her. Seething cuckbeats

>>47374315
I refuse to watch Mori because she collabs with and bolsters the faggots, but she’s a harder worker and better at communicating than Gura. Gura’s popularity doesn’t change this. Mori might be more likely to do skank hoe shit but she’s also more likely to have a consistent stream schedule. You’ll never know what that’s like anymore as a chumbud.

>>47367294
Should OP mom graduate? (serious discussion)
>Keep it civil.

>>47367294
She makes some retarded people seethe a lot merely by existing so no.
As a bonus she's really cute so hell no.

>>47367294
gura's not a good work horse. unlike mori

Why do these niggers want her to do well? you guys don't even like her. You know that it will go like this right?
she streams and improves things > antis real quiet since this is a nothingburger to begin with > the real problems still stand that HoloEN and NijiEN can be tossed into a trash compactor anytime > people come back to antiing the real troublemakes > numberfags run rampage as talentless, spiteful western whores exposed > you have nothing on Gura now because she doesn't throw the antis a bone anymore > JP vs EN bait doen't work well like the the old days > this time the chumgods will have no mercy on your oshi because they have a good memory

>>47375565
Chumbuds have a lot of time right now to work on their memories because their lazy oshi has a mercurial shit stream schedule and a nonexistent social media presence.

“Health issues” ie lazy or depressed. There is no way so many vtubers has this many mystery illnesses.

>>47373709
>would’ve begun and ended with hologra.
It honestly would have, going by how unhelpful the perms guy is towards her.

>>47367596
Agreed if she doesn't like being a holo talent anymore she should go, but with the caveat that if being a once in a blue moon streamer allows her to keep actually enjoying hololive and I get to continue seeing her in lives and concerts and karaokes I would be fine with that too. She has told us that is how it is going to be now, it's pretty much stating the obvious but at least it's straight from her mouth instead of fan speculation.

I hope people can accept it and calm down, her communication WAS genuinely awful and people had a right to be upset but she has finally addressed it and there is no more excuse to keep harping on her.

>>47367294
Not exaggerating when I say that I think that something has gone seriously wrong in her personal life or with her health, or both. I won't say exactly what I think has happened to her health-wise because that will open up a can of worms (some sharper anons here can probably read between the lines anyhow; suffice to say it's something she was probably coerced into), but I genuinely don't think she is coming out of this short of a miracle. She had some mildly lazy tendencies before this like with her stream titles and whatnot, but this can't be laziness by itself-- there's clearly something serious going on. Too serious, personal, and depressing for her to ever talk about. I'm not the most knowledgeable fan but I like her stuff and it's hard to watch her drag the channel along like a corpse; if it has to be like this for the rest of her time at Hololive, then it's probably better if she leaves. I'd rather she fix whatever is going on with her and come back so it could be like 2021 again but I don't think that's going to happen. There's my take on it anyhow.

>>47375668
>>47375688
Nijisanji deflection takes

>>47378071
no matter how good you are at hiding feelings, when you are sad you will not be able to control your voice to not display negative emotions.

What exactly is wrong with streaming whenever she wants to and always being there for the big events and stuff?

If that's what she prefers, then that's what she prefers. Why force her? She either puts out fun content that you watch or you go watch something else.

What's the big fucking deal???

The deal is that a lot of folks have this thing called toxic entitlement and it's spreading even into reddit.

>>47367294
If she's failing to even communicate her absence properly, probably. She either has deep problems she needs to resolve or is taking the piss out of everyone, and if it's the latter then gathering ill will would only make it worse for her mental state.

>>47367294
She left a sticky on her chat for those that actually watch her stream.
Also, there is a watch-along tomorrow...only for her fans.
Hololive has been supporting her absences. They advertised her at Shibuya and made her ambassador... after her two-month break. There's much going on behind the scenes. I'm just happy she didn't get flooded.

>>47367294
All vtubers will graduate. But Hololive has incentives for their talents to stay longer. I expect many more graduations in other corps to come. Also, don't be surprised if EN3 has some familiar voices.

Christ you guys really overblow things these days. She came back from Japan where she spent several weeks working or touring Tokyo with the other girls. They had her doing recording sessions for ungodly amounts of time plus all the dancing classes and shit like that. When she got home she probably just wanted to fall back into her comforts for a while.

You fuckers make it way to easy for the coordinated anti clubs to fuck with you. You do half their job for them.

>>47379304
Nothing wrong with that, but she never fucking communicates about anything so her fans are just confused

No but she should get her act together

>>47372170
it's twitch lingo, retard. Twitch isnt that popular in SEA

>>47380208
Holy delusional chumkek

>>47380448
this is some sea cope
you and your countrymen really should fuck off

>>47380465
what is this, a seethe creature?

>>47380208
>implying this is a one off occurrence better to overlook
We have been handwaving away large unexplained absences for the better part of a year and a half at this point. This one specifically had the additional context of her saying things were back to the "good old days for awhile" that she had april fools plans and then that she would be back tues/wed for a watchalong, all those words, empty as usual.

Whatever though, she has finally acknowledged what has been plain to see, she streams when she feels like it now and cannot make any promises about frequency or stick to a schedule and either accept the new normal or move on. Shame it took over a year for her to finally set expectations for her fanbase.

>>47367294
No, what she needs to start doing is setting clear expectations of what to expect from her.
That means instead of being so stupidly paranoid you shut off completely you simply tell people that going forward they can expect extremely sporadic content and not to go around expecting things.

It's seriously that simple and easy, and doesn't even require her to divulge a scrap of personal information.

>>47380810
>all those words, empty as usual.
You can either be jaded and have low expectations or you can be a whiny bitch and have overly high expectations, but you can't pretend to be both at the same time.

>>47381031
>tell people that going forward they can expect extremely sporadic content and not to go around expecting things
She did that last night, the only problem was it was in a pinned chat message that is a lot easier for people to miss than if she directly addressed it on stream. Still the multi year members that are still around and remember better days will have seen it by now so it has found it's intended audience regardless.
>>47381227
I will remind you she has in the past said she understands the criticism around communication and needs to do better - more than once in fact. She also acknowledged she needed the structure of a schedule after her streaming hours fell off a cliff when she dropped them, enter the tentative m/w/f schedule arc where things looked up for a short time. She is responsible for these """overly high""" expectations persisting in amongst her fanbase because she keeps stringing people along with words that suggest she wants to get back to the kind of streamer she used to be.

Now she has finally told people to expect nothing in terms of consistency I can finally be the "jaded fan" and try to accept her as a part time streamer instead of hanging on her words implying things will be getting better (for real this time) She should have done this months ago.

>>47367294
depends if it some mental health shit than just be honest and admit that shit and take long breaks look at lacunny and aqua took half a year off cause of harassment. now its normal for them to stream a handful of time a month and even got a CCV boost for it

if its pregnancy issue though like some rrats are saying than i can see why shes so secretive about it lmao. imagine the shit storm if she openly admits to quitting because of motherhood.

her job can set her for life if she just learns to fake it for a couple years and continue cashing in. would be really dumb if she quits because of muh emotions and burnout. there will always be lonely people throwing money at you no matter how boring you become

>>47367294
She should collab with Kson immedaitely

Who collabed with her
>>Mori
>>Kiara
>>Ame

Whe never collab with Coco
>>Ina
>>Gura

>>47367294
I'd rather she didn't and my cope is there is some actual reason she can't do stuff but...
If it's really that painful for her to communicate then yea probably a good idea.
I hate thinking about her despising making a single tweet so much that it's actually a problem for her.
If she feels that way it would be healthy for her to leave.

>>47367294
Yes

>>47367294
She should do what she wants. Unhappy chumbs should stop supporting her though.

I guess it doesn't have to do with this part but its sad that people can't criticize gura,If she is not in a good state or not feeling well enough to stream as much anymore fine.But people just wanted a simple post no one said to go into detail now people who are fans get thrown rude stuff at them and called entitled. Now I just see people Bringing up oshi no money just because they wanted to know something now people are gonna use a dumb anime to try making points.

>>47367294
The entire myth should

>>47367294
No. Chumkeks will never learn anything if she just fucks off. They would go to the next best holo chuuba or groom a 2view without any self reflection required. Don't let them get off the hook that easily.

>>47367294
Gura should ovulate

No, just disable memberships or even superchats. There's your answer

>>47368162
meds

>>47391045
she passed that phase.. she is due soon

>>47367294
You guys are so naive. You don't need a very high IQ to see the big picture. The real, I mean real reason Gura don't stream is because of TEMPUS. Jesus...

>>47368495
>He makes real chumbies look bad
They do that themselves.

>>47368193
>I've never seen such pure brain rot from antis like Guras before in my entire time lurking.
>he wasn't around for nearly two years of orange woman bad

>>47379304
>What exactly is wrong with streaming whenever she wants to and always being there for the big events and stuff?
There's nothing with that, but if that's the case then fucking say so to your fans.

Gura's issue is not barely streaming
Her issue is DOGSHIT communication
Get this you fucking retards
Aqua barely streams, but she tweets every single day
Ayame barely streams, but she tweets every single day
They're not normal streamers, they're part of hololive, and the fanbases want to get updates, even if they're minor
Straight up ignoring her fanbase for weeks alienates her fans and the result is what happened yesterday in pre chat

>>47393404
Why bother? You will get called a parasocial incels on every platform by normalfag whiteknights. Just leave. One day when everyone leaves, she will finally understand that the should have treasured the members that gave a shit and not the yesbuds that keep preaching from their "moral high ground"

>>47367294
she clearly has health problems, why vtuberfags are such self centered and entitled babies?

>>47367294
Turn her back to S*****a Then maybe she will be happier.

>>47396146
Other holoEN has health issues but can still tweet if they’re streaming or not. What’s stopping the shark from taking 5 seconds to do the same? The swede is keeping her too busy?

>>47370809
>implies Gura does nothing while propping up Ayame
>Gura literally has more content on her channel than Ayame does
what did he mean by this

>>47367294
yes

>>47367294
Yes. Do your job or step aside for someone who will. This fence-sitting bullshit is not helping anyone.

>>47367294
For her own happiness, she should.
What's stopping her is that she's stuck as the mascot now. Feels like she's obligated to stay for the brand's sake, money, and fanbase.

>>47374404
You think mori is a hard worker because she streams. I know construction workers that wished their job was streaming or warehouse workers with 80hr work weeks that wished it was just 60hrs do you think these compare to streaming? Is streaming not hard work at all and anyone should be able to do or is streaming back breaking work in which case a frail girl like gura wouldn’t be able to such a demanding task. If it’s the former you can’t say mori is hard worker because it’s not work and if it’s the latter you can’t call gura lazy the same way you can’t call a 5 year old lazy for being unable to bench 100lbs. B-But she releases music ok for all you know gura has 1000 unreleased songs it happens to musicians all the time they release 2 albums in 5 years but have a backlog of hundreds to thousands of songs they felt wasn’t worth releasing. If only things you see matter yagoo must be the laziest person in the world he streams less than gura.

And her popularity does matter or you would be bringing up ina, or kronii who has done less than gura in every possible way.

>>47367294
>faggot make bait thread
>k-k-keep it civil

>>47400721
Mori isnt even a hard worker, she just stretches herself thin and does poor quality work

>>47375688
If you went to the doctor right now and gave them 3 generations of medical history they’ll give you 3 complications or diseases you could possibly have/are at risk to like heart problems, blood pressure, or diabetes. These are the common ones but even beyond them a majority are exacerbated by stress. Not to mention most of them eat like shit, don’t go to the gym, drink alot, and in some cases are whores. So no it’s not outside the realm of possibility.

>>47367596
this

>>47370603
It's funny though Ayame has been way more active and communicative than Gura. Gura is literally worse than Ayame.

I can't tell how much of this is disgruntled real fans and how much is antis. If she communicated more regularly and clearly, it would go a long way toward clarifying the nature of the problem, maybe even solve it.

>>47367353
>Saying one thing and then doing another
Huh?

I'm still not convinced Gura isn't/wasn't pregnant. If she was then she wouldn't be able to say anything about it which fits the current medical narrative and also why none of the other talents can say anything about it. Also explains her needing to spend a lot of time off stream to support her family. I'm not saying this is 100% what's going on, it just fits a lot of the gaps.

>>47400492
garlic bread

>>47367294
>The return of Senzawa
Where do I sign up?

>>47406635
So the same low amount of streams, just drunk everytime she boots it up? lol

>>47367294
Why would she?

>>47367294
>Should Gura graduate?
Yes.
She seems to incapable of actually streaming on a schedule or at the very least multiple times a week.
And the fact she leaves her fans in the dark all the time is sad, cruel, and very unprofessional.
If you can't be bothered to stream at least 3 times a week then why even bother?
I watch one chuuba that grinds on both youtube and twitch and streams 5 days a week on both platforms sometimes back to back. The fact Gura can't even stream 3 days a week consistently is pathetic.
Cover should graduate her and be done with it, pull the plug, sell off her merch, give her a cut and end it for her.

>>47368495
Real chumbuds agree with him. She's treated her fans like shit.

Nah. Graduations were always some dumbass bullshit. Just go inactive for months or years. She shouldnt be getting paid for doing nothing but vtuber and idol gradution has always been some dumb shit that results in everything getting scrubbed from the internet. Just leave that shit up. If the voice actor reincarnating or got fired sure graduate em. For the rest of it whats the point?

yes
/thread

holy shit vtuberfags are really bunch of man babies

>>47397982
go watch another grown ass woman pretending to be a child if you're so bothered

>>47400492
>>47405709
The comic was missing the panel, so allow me.

>>47367294
From what I've seen as an outsider looking in (not a Chumbud, that is), most of Gura's fans would be fine with her disappearances and lack of communication if she was at least transparent about it. Not even in the sense that she needs to give every detail of why she's so inactive, just that she needs to be forward that there likely won't be any consistent schedules and her streams will be sporadic, instead of what she's been doing for the past half-year or so where she announces she's back, do a stream or three for a week, and then go dark again without a word.

It seems like Gura's come to that conclusion herself at last, considering the sticky in her stream chat yesterday. Which is good, because I think the bulk of her viewers are at least content with her being somewhat transparent with her sporadic streams, even if they don't really know why. She's likely still going to bleed some viewers, but not as much if she just kept up the "I'm back, but not really" behavior.

So, I don't think Gura should graduate, just keep up the transparency and make appearances when she can.

>>47367294
Vax fucked her up. Makes me sad. Chick in her early to mid-20s who's probably ruined for life.

>>47414068
Phone ur dad u fat slag

>>47404980
I believe this rrat. Her Hiatus followed her being really suspicious.

yes

>>47367294
No, she just needs to communicate with her audience.

>>47401364
So since everyone has health issues everyone can just use that as an excuse to slack off? Is that what you're saying

>>47371657
Anon this is equatable to asking a patreon artist who doesn't post anything what they're going to do going forward when they take money every month from their users. People pay for gura's memberships you know. What value is a monthly membership if someone doesn't even stream once a month.

>>47367294
Is she pregnant?

It's the Sana issue all over. Say something instead of being radio silent.

>>47367294
No, keep letting Gura do what she does. What's important in this situation is what should the chumkeks do. Chumkeks should just stop watching Gura everytime she comes back (to the point that she becomes a 4view), Stop giving her superchats, give your superchats to anyone else except holo talents. That would do the trick in the long run.

>>47367294
yes next thread

>>47367353
Can't believe we reached a point in society where this is considered a controversial comment that is drama channel worthy. Not even hate just constructive criticism.

>>47394731
I hope for any Chumbuds to leave her, too. But, there are always some people who'll white-knighting for her, thus enabling the talents to act this way.

What really grinds my gear is said normalfag has the nerve to call any dissenting Chumbuds "parasocial fucks" when they're also being parasocial for Gura by having meltdowns on Twitter. Hololive business inherently enables parasocial relationships and some of the most ardent defenders are malding over soft pushback.

>>47369649
>t. Cuck vshowshit

>>47373097
I know you retarded, but cover even made statement that she going on hiatus because of medical illness. And medical illness don't magically dissappear.

>>47373903
>>47374006
>ESL

>>47379304
Because fans are owed something for their support.

>>47375688
Having a faggot like you breathing are detrimental to someone health, i pray for your parent health so they could kick you out of their basement and for them to have a speedy recovery.

>>47367353
Agreed. I don't give a fuck what she does in her private life and I don't think she owes it to anyone to tell them either, but she NEEDS to be consistent and communicate SOMETHING. If that's too much for her, she needs to just move the fuck on and stop being a leech. Let her go see how it is without the Cover name boosting her income.

>>47380290
>>47392826
>>47440326
Well she already said it on her stream reminder, so what the new bitching angle now.

>>47440619
>cover let her do what she want
>SHE A LEECH GRADUATE HER
you don't even know what a leech is lol.

>>47367294
You want to graduate the girl fighting against Homobeggars and Tempiss?

>>47440656
Anger about her still mogging the entire en sphere

>>47367596
Bro, leave her alone, she is suffering from postpartum depression.
She will be back when her hormones get back in order. Her child will give her energy to keep going, but do not expect frequent streams either.

>>47440619
She make cover more money by not streaming
>I DON'T CARE, SHE OFFEND ME BY NOT STREAMING
She make cover more money by not strea-
>I DON'T CARE
stop being a bitch already and getting offended on other people.

>>47440757
Anon, it's seething roasties and homobeggars.

>>47440656
Nothing?

Gura has always been my oshi and if she wants to graduate, it's fine. I want her to graduate with sweet memories.

>>47427908
>Anon this is equatable to asking a patreon artist who doesn't post anything
So you send them more money?
What a fucking retard, just cancel membership, what a fucking moron. What is this? Sunk-cost fallacy?

>>47440998
Gonna support Gura and tell her to stream and you're helpless to stop it.

>>47367294
I personally think that there's a point where the viewer has to hold themselves accountable for their simping and that Gura shouldnt have to graduate if Cover doesnt see the need to.

There are too many disillusioned viewers stuck in a sunken cost falacy mindset that expect things to change and this is sad because in a way the vtuber model exacerbates the problem. As long as people throw money at her they enable her to do whatever the fuck she wants. The only way this ever changes and it becomes an issue for Cover to deal with is with a very heavy handed power shift within HoloEN which I do not see happening or if as a collective the chumbuds decide to stop simping which would take a while before it starts showing for real. All in all, hate the game not the player.

TLDR: I think because Chumbuds are still simping that no, she should not.

>>47367596

She is a product, period. She's selling herself to the people who ARE paying her salary. She doesn't need to give a reason, but she has two choices 1) Tell people that she is going to be a twice a month streamer so they know what they're getting or 2) Tell people what is going on to cause the complete randomness and disappearance, it's her choice.

People are in the right being pissed with her behavior; it's been going on for a year now with the "I'm sorry I'm going to communicate better and I'm going to stream more. Teehee no I'm not and you can't be mad because I'm cute!" It's long since old and time for her to act like a fucking adult.

>>47367964
WTF is there to be stressed about? She's literally being asked to play fucking video games with a semi-regular consistency, that's it.

You're right though, the fans need to realize that she has been gone for a year and she's just leeching off them at this point. She knows she's got a great thing going and has drawn out a massive paycheck for almost a year now off of their faith that she'll actually do something some day, but that faith is running out.

>>47368162
Gura 100% IS harming Hololive, by their own admittance. In their Growth Opportunities and Strategies, they literally said, in their "What we worry about" section: Therefore, there is a possibility that our reputation, business performance and financial situation may be affected due to ... our intellectual property, content ...(ii) when the frequency of our content creator’s activities declines significantly; or (iii) when it becomes difficult for our content creators to continue their activities.

To sum it up, they straight up say lazy fuck streamers hurt them.

>>47367964
>the policy seems to be that members who graduate on good terms still have opportunities to participate in those
I'm not sure how you can suggest this is the policy when there isn't even a single instance of a talent appearing in anything affiliated with Hololive following their graduation.

>>47441152
Waste your money and traumatize your oshi, see if I fucking care.

>>47379304

It's the expectation of what you're supporting / purchasing a membership for. If she wants to stream whenever she feels like it, end the ability to membership on her channel, period. People can toss her a few dollars when she decides to actually stream.

No one should be lied to, and yes, she fucking DOES lie to people consistently with her "I'm sorry I disappeared, I'm back now and will do better." only for it to turn into, "Oh no I'm not really, now I'm going to ghost you for 2-3 weeks until the next stream where I act like nothing has happened." bullshit.

If she wants to be a part time streamer, be a fucking adult and tell people "Yeah, I'm not going to stream much at all anymore unless I feel like it and I'm not going to tweet anymore either."

>>47441225
>WTF is there to be stressed about? She's literally being asked to play fucking video games with a semi-regular consistency, that's it.
If it's so easy, tell us all about your 4mil+ subs streaming channel.

>>47379946
"So much going on behind the scenes" is the ultimate cuck cope. If she truly was doing so much behind the scenes that she literally couldn't stream anymore, we'd see it. A few random appearances on other people's content or a video that she paid someone else to make isn't HER doing anything.

>>47371161
That's what makes them seethe so much.

The problem with Gura is that she kept deluding (for lack of a better word) herself and her fans that she was a full-time, 4/5-days a week streamer with all these grand "return" streams. It's clear at this point that such a work scheme is no longer sustainable for her, and admitting that she will be an irregular/sporadic streamer is a step in the right direction.

>>47442171
Ah yes, all those dead subs is stressing her out. While some JP members consistently streams to at least 30k people no problem.

>>47441924
>Twittards think asking a creator to do their job is "traumatizing"
Just how much of a fucking NEET are you? Do you burst into tears if your boss calls you into his office?

>>47441924
oh nyo asking a streamer to stream how traumatizing, go back you spineless faggot

>>47416519
>Not even in the sense that she needs to give every detail of why she's so inactive, just that she needs to be forward that there likely won't be any consistent schedules and her streams will be sporadic
Isn't the most recent spate of bullshit because she did precisely this?

>>47442836
She basically promises the same and then fails to deliver each time and it's getting to be concerning.

>>47428408
Did you watch Oshi No Ko? She's probably already given birth and is now raising twins and can't get enough time away from raising them to do her job frequently anymore. Just hope you don't lose your mind over this knowledge.

>>47442970
>She basically promises the same and then fails to deliver each time
And her promise this time is literally that she doesn't know when or how often she can stream and people in this thread are suggesting she needs to graduate over it.

>>47442331
>While some JP members consistently streams to at least 30k people no problem.
You know as well as I do that she'd have greater viewership than them if she kept up but not everybody is built the same, nor does everyones personal circumstances even permit it.

I'm also totally sure you could do it if you just put your mind to it but you'll just start tomorrow. And you'll say the exact same thing tomorrow, fucking loser.

>>47442171
Gura literally had the perfect circumstances. In the first EN gen with the largest Vtubing company that already had a significant EN fanbase. Debuted during a global pandemic when the whole world was locked inside and starved for entertainment.
She pulled the streaming equivalent of the winning lottery ticket, she has one of the easiest jobs in the world and she has tons of fans who love and support her. All she needs to do is either stream or spend 30 seconds tweeting at her fans to keep them informed.

>>47443683
>You know as well as I do that she'd have greater viewership
How would you know that, exactly?

>>47443683
We don't talk about fantasy here chud. The reality is she literally streams so little in 4 months

>>47371415
kek is literally like 20 years ago now

>>47367294
No.

>>47448795
Except she didn’t want to be no number 1 and no one else in myth or council would have had that growth. Pandemic is already shown to be cope looking at kobo and salome still exploding

>>47451820
I was responding to his sarcastic point about how easy it is to get a 4M sub channel.
Kobo has had explosive growth but she is notable for her growth now compared to what was happening during the pandemic. In 3 months gura had 2M subs, vs kobo's 1M. Kobo is close to 2M now after a little more than a year.

>>47451820
>Except she didn’t want to be no number 1
boo fucking hoo lmao

>>47443683
She literally has the easiest job in the world so I feel zero sympathy for her. I hope she never streams just so you continue to cope about her burn out.

As long as she's generating revenue and people aren't leaving despite her doing the bare minimum: No. It really isn't that deep, if the chumbies are fine with this arrangement and stay on as members then there's no reason for her to graduate.

>>47367596
>what's going on with her
Other than being rich, and having cover dancing on the palm of her hand, and hates people like any rational person would.

Yes.

>>47367294
From what i can read here she doesn't explain properly on what the heck is happening to her....

>>47367294
Make shark fin soup out of this rich bitch

>>47367294
To anon
>do you hate gura?
>no, then she shouldn't graduate
>yes, then she definitely shouldn't graduate, as join her membership.

>>47456795
Also* join her membership.

If you cant beat her
Drag her

>>47456795
I hate chumbuds more than Gura so if she graduates, chumbuds can finally gone forever from holofanbase

>>47368162
Holy fucking rent free. No mention of homos or even kronii yet you niggas still find a way to bring them up.

>>47367294
Nah she should just chose to stream whenever she wants.
Retards will still send SC and keep their memberships running even if she were to just stream once a month or once every year.
Retards who support her deserve the treatment they get from her.

>>47367294
Cover is waiting for someone to graduate to release EN3, so you'll get more streams if Gura goes

>>47463229
Someone already graduated.

>>47463528
Haachama is here to stay despite schizos' delusions. She'll still be here when half of EN has graduated

>>47463603
I meant Sana. We were already due for EN 3 when she graduated.

>>47463676
Sana left of her own volition and took Cover by surprise, they didn't have time to prepare a gen for her departure

>>47464003
Yes they did, they had a year.

okay this thread is not needed anymore