/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Here's the weekly VOD numbers report
https://panora.tokyo/archives/26827

>>4739555
Yeah yeah analyzing trend and numbers are cool and all but in the end it's always Nijilosers lose to Hololive again, nothing new. Holo=strong Niji=weak
Also, if you want to watch female, watch Hololive and their associates like Holomamas, if you want Apex, watch ShibuHal, if you're a faggot, watch Niji.

>>4739555
Isn't 54k kinda low for how long it was her break and how important she is?

>Botan twice in the 5.
I kneel, La Lion

>>4739977
It was at the exact same time as the usada collab that also got 54k

>>4739555
Do you see Coco and Kuzuha there? That means you made this too fucking early, those were from yesterday. Anyways, heres the rest of the list

>>4739555
>>4739977
>>4740035
I don't know if they did this on purpose, but having UsaKen (Coco) and Aqua up at the same time meant that all* those chinks who tried dislike-bombing the onion's waiting room changed target to try spamming usaken instead; leaving Aqua's return pretty clean and comfy.
(*)=it is multiple bot accounts owned by the same person

>>4740034
This list contains videos from both Jun/6 and Jun/7 JST, someone will end up having to post a newer image in about three hours.

>>4739555
>OCHINCHIN OCHINCHIN
#3 reminds me of someone else

>>4739555
So Gura played the same game as Pekora and drew higher viewership? We all know how strong Gura is with VOD views and the like but rarely does she outdraw Pekora in live views. Interesting to see.

Yesterday's SCs

>>4739555
Weird games like Henry Stickmin seem to fit Gura well. She seemed to enjoy it too.

>>4740727
It's a western flash game only in English, it's a much much bigger draw for western audiences than Japanese ones so no surprise there

>>4740174
These are the only ones that matter

>>4740727
The same game that gave pikamee an 800k views, its a huge buff in EN vtubers

>>4740727

I'm not even that big into numbers but every time I see hololive getting big numbers I always think "nijisan must be having an event today"

>>4740933
In general, Gura does better with meme-like and silly games vs skill-based serious gaming. Gura sucks at games, and doesn’t always play that off right. People come more for her commentary.

Anyone else feel it is unfair to compare all of Nijisanji to all of Hololive? Nijisanji has so much dead weight, their top performers do better than Hololive so they should have the stigma of low average numbers across the company.

>>4741129
People who watches stickmin are only there for nostalgia

>>4741165
In which world the top Nijinsanji performers do better than top Hololive performers?

>>4741165
Have you ever considered about "Japan only vs global"?

>>4741165
>Their top performers do better than Hololive
I'm not even a Niji hater but they absolutely do not, lol

>>4739555
Kuzuha and his boyfriend ranking once again.

>>4741258
>most average non-collab view if you take the top 5 Niji performers against the top 5 Holo performers
>most SCs and vod views this week
>most japanese views by a mile

>>4741341
Gonna need to see some numbers on this

>>4741341
Show us the numbers. This is the number thread, you can't just go spewing bullshit and expect people to buy it.

>>4741193
Only if they play it themselves. If they watch someone else play it, then the personality of the streamer matters. If you just watch entirely for the games, there are plenty of better skill-based gamers that are more worth watching.

>>4741276
Dumbass using the niji is japan only argument. As if niji doesn't have ID KR and EN branch. And don't forget that niji is also popular in chink country.

>>4741625
Nijisanji is still more popular in Japan and every single HoloJP girl would happily replace 2 of her overseas fans for a Japanese person.
Nijisanji wins if we look at the most important metrics:
- money made
- amount of merch
- number of sponsorships
- amount of Japanese views
- amount of Japanese viewers

>>4741735
you will never be japanese

Holobros how can we take the top 4 most superchatted vtuber streams of all time spots away from Nijiniggers?

>>4740727
>So Gura played the same game as Pekora and drew higher viewership?
I think that also happened with Resident Evil Village, but not sure.

>>4741735
Again, no numbers. Supply numbers or get out. It's a number thread, not a "I just pulled this out of my ass thread".

>>4741735
you will never be japanese

>>4741406
>>4741425
He won't be able to prove it because there is not one graph, table or spreadsheet that discounts collabs or even special events, except that retarded Views/Time graph that puts Pekora in the top 5 female streamers that doesn't even have access to the channel metrics.

>>4741536
>>4740977
Explain this to me then

>>4741341
15 minutes passed, still no numbers...

>>4741825
Amelia says hello

>>4741341
Based. Hololive mogging is very consistent. dominating in almost everything.

>>4741825
Probably won't happen. Hololive gets a ton more superchats than Niji but Holo fans donate during every stream. Niji fans hold back their super chats for big events and then dump them all in a giant bomb. Just different cultures.

>>4740727
Pekora: 151K VOD views after stream ends
Gura: 394K VOD views after stream ends. 625K after 11 hours

Source: Playboard

I think it's safe to say that Gura will have more VOD views over time.

>>4741165
I mean they already get credit for male vtubers, which are only of interest to like 5-10% of people on this board. If feel like they're as demographically dissimilar to the main Hololive and female Niji/indie streamers as facestreamers or Minecraft speedrunners are.

OCHINCHIN

>>4742013
Well yeah, that is what I said. Gura always gets higher VOD views but rarely does she beat her in live viewership. That was what was interesting to me especially since they played the same game. Almost like they went head to head.

>>4739555
>>4740174
ppt INCLINING

>>4741735
Lies. There's a reason japan's most recent stay in regulations gave Hololive a bigger boost than niji. Hololive has more JP fans. Especially during JP prime time. That's a fact. Cry about it.

>>4740826
One of the few Pekora streams I've seen much English comments in. Of course many EOPs do watch Pekora but there are just so many Japanese it's usually just a wall of their language in the chat. Having an entirely English game kind of subdued them.

>>4739555
>>4740174
ppt INCLINING

>>4741987
Not superchats, learn to read please

>>4740733
Glad to see another one of the Niji ENs in here, hopefully cum fish will be there too soon

>>4742113
I was just reporting the numbers. I agree with you. I think this is one of the better comparisons that we can make between the two. Single person stream, prime time in their respective countries, same game, played within 24 hours of each other, etc.

>>4742225

>>4742145
English only games straight out filters out many jps, especially ones as obscure as today's, but Pekora received more of an EOP boost in return, which made it all even out at the end in term of numbers. This bunny is simply too powerful.

>>4740733
>Pomu has the lowest sub and view numbers
>Most SCs
Does she have gachikois? I thought she was against that.

>>4742113
It's ironic because they both went head-to-head on games the west actually likes (RE and this).

>>4742417
Pomu is dying, lots of saviorfags

>>4741866
Nijisanji livers do not want foreign fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCDSkbFeHoI
From a few months ago but not much has changed rankwise since. There's just something nice seeing RIM's song zoom up the chart and build quite a sizeable lead for views of a VTuber original song.

>>4742417
Pomu life is sad, people feel the need to give her money.

>>4742301
Holy shit this made me spit my drink out, LOL

Ame is the donation queen. I KNEEL QUEEN!!!

>>4740174
>Fuwa
>16k
So this confirms that most of the people who watched the 3D were tourists right? I over estimated him. He is not a draw brother.

Why is Pekora playing a non translated English game?

>>4742739
Because no vtuber obsesses over numbers more than Pekora. She saw that Gura got massive viewership from this dumb flash gane and wanted a piece of the pie.

>>4742789
Pekora had scheduled that game stream before Gura had the chance to play it

>>4742789
They both just happened to stream the same game within 24 hours of each other. There's no way pekora knew Gura was going to play it when she scheduled her stream, unless they talked about it behind the scenes which is unlikely

>>4743038
Yeah, it's not like there's an internal schedule or something to avoid colliding streams...

>>4743245
EN has one but I doubt it includes JPs

>>4739555
nkodice is peak buff game

>>4743314
I don't think I've seen any Holo playing this game. Did I not pay enough attention or did Hololive become so big that they're above the fad now?

>>4743562
holo is a bit too family friendly now

>>4743296
But ... my narrative :(

>>4743562
They don't have the permission yet. And Matsuri would be pretty much the only Holo to play that anyway.

>>4743562
hololive is too kiddy for penis game

>>4744133
Good for them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbVsgHgE6Wk

>12k
quite low for kuzuha apex

is it over for the king?

>>4744366
Anon it's 3am on a weekday...

>>4744366
It's been over for a while. He still does decent but he is no longer a top tier vtuber.

>>4744067
They have official permissions but their management won't let them play it

>>4744366
yeah, he bleeds viewers really hard

>>4744448
he debuffs himself by playing valorant and partying up with stronger players
nijiapex might be a good chance to bounce back

>>4744366
yes now leave him alone

>>4744366
it's already over for manjisanji in general not just kuzuha

>>4745084
who are >we going to numberfag against then
there are no other contenders

I'm just happy that both of Botan-Sama's streams are in the top five :D.

>>4745137
Gura vs Pekora vs Marine

>>4745137
being at the top is lonely

>>4745139
right here botanfriend!

>>4742735
The power of having connections. Fuwa is friends with people who are much more popular than him. Niji livers can't pull their weight, it's pathetic. Nijipex looks to be doing the same.

>>4744133
Good. dick jokes àre the lowest form of entertainment. Perfect for Nijisanji.

>>4744366
Kuzuha is peak Apextard magnet. And with Aqua back, I wouldn't be surprised if Kuzuha's borrowed viewers went back home to the dumb Onion.

>>4745137
Nijisanji will surely be missed when their decline leads to layoffs and an eventual shutdown. But Internal hololive rankings will still be enough to sathe our inner numberfagging needs.

>>4743038
>Pekora just COINCIDENTALLY chose to stream an english-only flash game that no other holo has played on the same day as Gura, and just COINCIDENTALLY put her stream up an hour after Gura put hers up

>>4741735
hololive sponsorship merch sells out in like 3-5 hours. Heck the aqua botan redbull already seems to be sold out on Amazon jp. Pekora wine sold out in like 5 hours, lamy wine in like 2 hours, Mio practically ddosed capcoms crane game and candy rushia had no official affiliation with sold out in like 5 minutes because she said she wanted to buy it on stream

>>4745801
Yes

>>4744954
How many millions is Kuzuzha making from shilling Valorant?
Literally Apex is still the FPS that is still loved in nihongo land.

>>4739555
OH NO HOLOBROS WE ARE LOSING GROUND TO NIJINIGGERS. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO

>>4745801
they had usaken collab just before

>>4739555
can gura fuck off already?

>>4739555
Here's a better list

>>4746732
No, but you can

>>4746732
What did gura do to you again anon?

>>4740824
yeah I just want gura to play more unknown kusoge which are actually funny (like the gym game that have guys with glowing nipples)

>>4746800
>>4746857
munch your burgers and shadapp

>>4740733
>NijiEN are getting a lot of superchats.
OK, its safe to say HoloEN has a rival company on Youtube

>>4745178
>Marine
No offense to her but she isn't really in the same league as Gura and Pekora. I put the top tier holos in the following tiers.

>S tier
Pekora
Gura

>A tier
Marine
Miko
Korone

>>4742735
>>4744448
decent lol He does amazing numbers.

>>4745754
Nijisanji don't fire people because they don't pay a base salary, it's all superchat, sponsorship and merchandise. Due to that, every one of them can stream whenever they want to and to many that's an advantage as they work as a hobby or part time to get additional money.

>>4747012
cope

>>4747012
Managers cost money. Niji is bleeding money by keeping the underperforming and unmotivated.

>>4744411
Pekora got like 25K while grinding DQ at 2 AM

>>4747041
sleep
hydrate

>>4746919
Marine not on the same level as Pekora? You stink of newfag. Marine used to be top tier before she pandered to EoP and scared off her Jp viewers. But on a good day she can still rival Pekora easy.

>>4746755
It's still impressive both Botan and Aqua compete foe views during prime hours and got exact same number, this is indirectly Aqua vs Pekora because Botan herself received complete Pekoboost

>>4746919
Coco does better in views and superchats than Miko, so your A-tier is a little off

>>4747441
Around Tuesday or Wednesday IIrcl

>>4747012
Nijisanji indian branch...

>>4747604
Coco does not do better in viewership than Miko, not even close.

>>4746619
Anon, that has literally nothing to do with my point. Either they tried talking to each other and thought it'd be fun to play the same game, or Pekora saw Gura was going to play a game, and jumped on a trend before it even began. The idea that they both chose to play the same game on the same day by pure chance is just too preposterous to believe.

>>4747604
No, Coco views only high during meme review and possibly Minecraft thanks to Usaken...yeah her superchat is crazy but in term of view her normal stream is slightly higher than Towa but lower than Kanata/Watame

>>4746880
sad..

>>4746755
Patora strong.

>>4747576
Given the nature of the collab I'm impressed Aqua still pipped them.

>>4747698
Pekora is initially planned to be the first Holo to play Undertale after Cover got the permission but Marine stream the game
first. There's nothing much behind the scene if we are talking the girls autistim once they are allowed to play games they want

>>4747698
Maybe it's really just a coincidence?
If it happens again 1 or 2 time, then there might be a rrat behind it

>>4746919
I agree with this but you forgot Aqua. She is borderline S tier.

>>4747730
Anon, I just checked the numbers and.... you're right. If you exclude meme reviews and collabs, then her numbers are fairly low compared to her peers. She'll probably never stop meme review

>>4747576
>this is indirectly Aqua vs Pekora
have in mind that what channel host the stream influence the quantity of viewers. For example last month MC collab between Pekora and Rushia got them: Pekora: 65k and Rushia: 30k. just some info

>>4747362
lmao newfagchama, niji has a liver that hasn't streamed in over 2 years and is still on their books

>>4748007
It would be more accurate to say "low compared to the top performers" rather than her peers (a.k.a genmates)

>>4745801
They were probably asked to play the game as a test and both achieved 30k+ on the buff game. I don't know what kind of experiment they're doing but consider it as a success that they don't need to rely on playing the same game everyday in the week to achieve a high viewer rate in comparison to a certain vampire. I don't think pekora's momentum would ever fall down even if she plays an english only game. I've never seen her gone below 20k in months.

>>4748091
Unmotivated livers deserve the axe.

Are nijisanji girls doomed? I legit can't think of a single popular one

>>4748098
Not just top performers, she's low mid-tier outside of meme review.

>>4747689
If Asacoco live ever comes back. Coco's average numbers would skyrocket.

>>4748232
yes they are now shut up about them

>>4748334
Why are they so bad they have like 70 of them and they all shit

>>4746919
>S tier
Pekora
Gura
Marine
Aqua
Suisei (Oshi)

>A Tier
Fubuki
Haato
Subaru
Korone
Rushia
Coco
Kanata
Watame
Botan
Lamy
Mori
Ame

>B Tier
Mio
Okayu
Matsuri
Ayame
Shion
Noel
Polka
Nene
Ina
Moona
Ollie

>>4748232
Manjisanji is real

>>4747500
The fuck are you talking about, her incline happenef after she played into the horny meme and even to this day most of her chat is pure Japanese

>>4748091
>>4748217
Dude I know you're desperate for money there are still alot of options before you need to start selling organs on the black market

>>4746919
>>4748395
Someone do a viewership chart like the nijis have for thiers

>>4747758
ASMR contents are making a comeback. Choco been getting 10k+.

>>4748232
niji shoud just force every liver to play apex and get good at it.

>>4748498
Newfagchama. Do your reps.

Here's the history of the vtuber streamer top ranks, both of you who posted lists seemed to be missing or misplacing a few.
But if you did your lists based on your own opinion ignore this, it wasn't clear.

>>4748991
They do...

>>4749013
wtf to pekora happened on april 2020

>>4748383
We only talk about stuffs that bring high numbers here.

>>4749063
wtf happened to pekora is what I meant, actually the whole of hololive.

>>4748579
Do it, anon. I belieb in you. Use playboard if needed.

>>4749024
Apexsanji is not just a meme. It's very real.

>>4749024
That's so insane that they're all playing Apex during an Apex tornament. Holy shit. You sure showed me.

>>4749063
Covid

I don't play Apex but I've read that Apex predators are the highest ranks in Apex. So, are there any top rankers among the vtubers or are most just Masters? Why is Apex still so popular in Japan? I haven't seen any recline in views for Apex vtubers at all.

>>4740733
top 10 tenshi, gg men

>>4749106
>>4749063
Covid lockdowns started going full force; hololive clips kept growing ever since the start of year but now they were able to fully capitalize it as the west had time to watch them; vtubers rapid growth and influence even helped Projekt Melody start pretty big (twitch) after making a lot of noise on chaturbate, but she wasn't able to keep her numbers

>>4748810
Mel and Choco should start doing ASMRs again with a new outfit at least. Their boobas are a force of a nature.

>>4744133
>what is sausage legend

>>4749013
People remember Korone, Pekora, Fubuki, etc, but Coco was really one of the MVPs of Hololive's explosive growth.. she debuted on 2019/12/28, and already in January she was up there on the top of the list because of her AsaCoco news, and that helped everybody else grow too. Then you can understand a little better why they were all on her side when the taiwan incident happened.

>>4749235
I can't even name 10 vtuber Masters and less than half of them have ever touched Predator.
Most who regularly play it are hardstuck Platinum IV or Diamond IV.

>>4745940
The issue isn't demand for the goods, the issue is supply. I should be able to purchase many of the goods at my discretion. Hololive is making no money from merchandise for this reason, especially with such an international brand.

>>4748232
they exist as fodders for the males, of course they're doomed.

>>4749013
>The Pekora-Kuzuha arc started in April of last year.

>>4749013
>that yellow domination for 2 and a half years
Damn. January of 2020 was business as usual. August of 2020 was like a different world. How do you lose a lead like that?

>>4740174
First time in a month or so that I'm unable to catch Suisei live and what do I get.

>>4749235
Apex will see a decline in 1-2 months. Hal no longer plays pred rank, Kuzuha plays notApex more often, Kanae said he won't participate in Apex tourney anymore after the last one in July. Cheater/Bug abuser in asia server with zero help from Respawn (litterally told the most popular Apex vtuber that they can't help him) will be the death of Apex in JP. Reaching Master is most of vtuber goal, then they have to find new game to play.

>>4751045
>Apex will see a decline in 1-2 months
First sentence in and I'm already laughing.

>>4751064
what's happen to fortnite? why nobody play that game now

>>4750949
They just lost a game they were never really playing, that being western expansion.
Japan had like 98% of their focus until recently, and they're still winning there.

>>4751593
Really makes you wonder how important Japan really is if westerners can flip the industry that hard even before EN debuted.

>>4748232
They're constantly in the top 10 and top 25. In fact there are more niji girls than niji boys in the top 25. They are fine.

>>4751045
Hmm, so let's say Apex will be declining soon and we'll see a significant recline in viewers for apex players months after lockdown. Was Enikara's decision to bank in the popularity of Apex in Japan correct for their vtubers or was Cover's decision to create holoAlt a step in the right direction for future longevity? In one year, we might see mangas, animes, games, better performances or better tech for Hololive because of the international and local support, but what does Nijisanji have in mind to stay relevant till that point?

>>4751735
>>4748262

>>4751045
Customs and tournaments are still fun and one person not attending them won’t affect anything

>>4742113
>but rarely does Gura beat Pekora in live viewership
People always act surprised each time it happens. Gura did beat Pekora many times in live viewers during the month May, so it’s not unheard of. It’s not really surprising when it does happen, as viewers go up and down all the time.

>>4747747
dont...

>>4751756
Anon, there's a whole graph that disproves this...

>>4751756
They are as many holoJP in the top 25 as there are Nijisanji females.

>>4747665
That's a different case because it's the branch being suspended due to all of them not performing well. In nijisanji JP there's more than half of the vtubers doing well.

>>4748232
Are you retarded? Mito, Lize, Ange, Nui Sociere, Sasaki, Himawari, Hoshikawa and many others do great numbers as vtubers. With Mito as the highest over 10k in average.

>>4751736
It's a much bigger market, even though that market will spend more in superchats than in merchandise and voice packs, unlike in asia.

>>4752479
May average live numbers. Many female vtubers above other male vtubers, while of course, male vtubers also above female ones. Not that it really matters much because regardless which are above one or another, most of those are out there on sponsorships and merchandise, like the bride merchandise that had 3 male and 3 female. They are very equal in promotion and that stuff.

>>4752928
Lol look at those numbers

Since Hololive's audience is 25% western then HoloJP's numbers should be docked by 25% to accurately reflect the most important market.

The arguing anon is back!

>>4752928
i don't know why you bother when the only replies you'll get is cope or tokyo ghoul

>>4753016
I wasn't aware that Nijisanji blocks non-japanese from viewing their streams. Interesting.

>>4751889
CSGO, Dota 2, or whatever esports that bring good numbers. Gamers are gonna play games.

>>4753297
Westerners do not watch Nijisanji and they aren't relevant. If they were Nijisanji talents would be begging for them or pandering to them.

>>4753449
I don't think that's quite fair, Nijisanji is still somewhat relevant.

>>4752928
>May average live numbers. Many female vtubers above other male vtubers, while of course, male vtubers also above female ones.
Anon, that very graph shows you how overly represented males are at the top compared to their roster size. The bottom two rows (minus the gray one) has way more females represented as a percentage of roster. And this is without me making the VNUMA argument, where only the top 10 Nijis rank into on a semi regular basis (the rank can get so crazy at times that even people with 10k+ live viewers can be cut off).

>>4753012
You mean 90% of the numbers being above average for vtubers and streamers?

>>4753449
>westerners don't watch Nijisanji
Ok, so what you are saying is that they aren't blocked from watching? That means that Niji and Holo are pulling from the exact same potential viewerbase and Hololive draws significantly better. Interesting.

>>4753774
Nijisanji is barely known in the west. Just look at the discords: Nijisanji has a discord with 10k, Hololive has one with over 60k people. Nijisanji is niche in here, although of course, much above the other jp agencies who have nothing in here, unfortunately.

>>4753796
You shouldn't count the ones over 1k. imo I wouldn't even count the ones that reach at least 100 viewers because that's above the average but I can concede it in to 1k as otherwise there's no discussion.
Otherwise, my point is that many female vtubers are above other male that aren't as popular as them in all of those rows, from the highest rows to the lowest.

>>4745801
They got permission to play It the other day fggot, at least start watching streams

>>4745511
Without Apex Tokyo Ghoul is nothing lol. These rankings would have zero niji's in top ten without him.

>>4746919
Marine crossed 20k more than gura did this month and always has been ahead of gura by large margin, she is actually the only threat to pekora

>>4754449
Yeah, he's nothing while getting over 10k regularly. You guys really have a skewed perception of reality.

OH NO HOLOBROS THE NIJINIGGERS ARE COMING FOR US. VSHOJO IS NEXT

>>4754458
Do you really want me to compare Gura and Marine? I promise it won't end well for Marine.

>>4753774
I meant westerners aren't relevant or else Nijisanji would be courting them.

>>4753904
In an effort to describe who is top in the top market empty EOP numbers need to be discarded. Hololive isn't significantly better. they have the same number in the top 5-10 consistently and everything else is just a game of revolving chairs. The companies are equal with a Nijisanji buff in the most important market plus ALL OF CHINA.

>>4754449
He got 50k max viewers on RE8, more than anyone in hololive

lol looks like the regular retarded nipfag nijinigger just woke up

>>4753449
And yet they do pander. They have a channel dedicated to making English clips. You have duolingo streams. You have games related to the English language. You have a reddit page. You have a fucking branch for EN. Wow, Nijisanji sure doesn't pander.

>>4754612
Fetch me their June ccvs then, I'm probably the one that will be laughing at you

>>4752928
most of the merch difference is that it's pretty difficult for cover/anycolor to sell merch overseas when shipping costs make up such a crazy amount of the price

i think you'll see the merchandise/superchat ratio equalize more as you get more worldwide manufacturing/distribution

>>4747441
>>4747629
Pekora has 60%+ EOP/ESL audience. That's why her numbers aren't as affected by Japs going to sleep as Kuzuha's are.

>>4755020
>he still thinks google search = actual audience

>>4754670
That guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about since there are a couple who pander but most of the stuff you listed has nothing to do with the members themselves

>>4755141
>he thinks people spamming 草 are japanese
Kuzuha's chat doesn't even reach 0.10% non-jap.

>>4755341
WAOWW

>>4755341
Shame that Kuzuha isn't charasmatic or talented enough to grab a global audience the way Pekora has. It's fine though, at least he is ok at Apex right?

>>4754643
What's his second RE8 number? Did he retain similar number?

>>4754754
Could be the case, but I feel that in general there's more people willing to give $100 for a superchat than to buy merchandise for some reason.

>>4755186
Yeah, I would say only two from NijiJP actively pander to eops: Ako and Onomachi. Both of them post weekly on reddit for their content.

>>4754005
Your point isn't incorrect on the fact. However, statistically speaking, it isn't really a good measure. This is why I point out that males are disproportionately represented by males at the top of Nijisanji. That said, what I don't get is exactly what propmted this change. Are the NijiMales simply better entertainers than the female ones? Did the gachikoi for the females leave Niji over male interaction or whatever they were doing? Was there a major demographic change in Nijisanji that led to the Males rising in popularity overall?

We may not get these questions answered in this thread (or ever really, since we can't properly gather the data to corroborate this), but pointing out the reality behind the meme isn't necessarily bad (unless you're the manjisanji guy, he can fuck off since he hardly contributes anything of value to the thread).

>>4755631
39k. Still more than both Pekora and Gura.

>>4754670
That is all corporate bullshit, not the talents themselves. Few Nijisanji talents care about the western empty number boost.

If you guys like numbers so much, why you all don't make an average live viewer graphic for members of the jp agencies? Hololive, Nijisanji, Noripro, 774, Vspo, Live. It would be a lot of work but very interesting to see.

>>4739555
What would be a good game for Gura and Pekora to play together in a collab to bring in monster numbers?

>>4754612
Anon, Gura's usual number is around 14k when she does a standard stream. 20k when it's a fun stream. 30k when it's kino. Marine's usual number is around 19k.

https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/gura
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/marine

>>4755787
Here's Nijisanji: >>4752928
Most of them do well and the there are some lemons sure but Nijisanji is a very successful company, especially domestically.

>>4755787
>If you guys like numbers so much why don't you
you sound like my mom. And no, if you want it, do it yourself.

>>4755846
So why its so shit when compared to a much smaller company like Hololive overall?

>>4755847
Didn't she have like 194k for some shitty costume reveal with shit rigging?

>>4755993
>why is a more popular company getting better numbers
i dont know anon

>>4755993
Nijisanji numbers are not shit compared to hololive. Hololive have inflated numbers but lose in the only market they care about.

>>4755847
Don't worry, I'm on my way home niw, once I'm home I will proceed to show you that Gura operates on a totally nother level from Marine. If we are being honest, even Pekora can't compete with Gura but people aren't ready to accept that one yet. To get you hyped up fir the reveal I showed how Gura absolutely moggs Kuzuha in the last thread and she moggs him by quite a bit.

>>4756086
lmao, always funny anon, keep it up

>>4756129
VOD views do not matter. If they did hololive won many months ago and these threads would just be pointless penis waving in a very narrow context.

>>4756214
>VOD views do not matter
This cope is always hilarious.

>>4756214
>VOD views do not matter

>>4751064
PUBG? Hello newfag

>>4756129
Vods don't matter on live streamers.

>>4756214
Based, they are Iive streamer afterall not vodstreamer

>>4756372
Why do max views matter so much when average views is by far the best metric for judging a streams' success?

>>4756022
That was a special event, anon. A lot of people, who usually watch her VODs, skip sleep just to watch it.

>>4756326
>>4756339
Average live stream viewers and SC has always been the benchmark for a vtuber

>>4756506
keep digging that hole

>>4756086
You are fucking stupid.

>>4756506
They still derive tons of money from VOD views from monetized streams and high VOD views indicates popularity in many time zones.

>>4756432
From a sponsor's perspective, you can estimate the minimum audience from the average viewership, and the maximum audience from the max viewership. Busier traffics cost more to sponsor.

>>4756606
What hole?, the only reason vod only got added to numberfagging was because of gura's lower ccv than pekora. So chumbuds are actually the one that is coping not me

>>4756506
Yes, live viewers is matter because it is the only thing Nijisanji can compare with Hololive. Hololive dominated in VOD, SC and subscribers too long before.

>>4756506
No they aren't, because not every VTuber is a variety streamer. There are multiple forms of fan engagement and multiple avenues of revenue streams that a VTuber can take, so you can't apply one metric across all 15k+ VTubers that exist.

>>4756837
You'd never get hired by a serious company.

>>4755846
Yes, I see the nijisanji one. It's why I wanted to see something like that for agencies in general, even if just in text

>>4755723
Since you are discussing normally, I'm going to do it as well. I can't answer any of what you asked, but it does makes me wonder why some males are so high (Kuzuha, Kenmochi, Kanae, Fuwa) and why others are lower like Belmond, Nagao, Kanda, Air.
It's confusing, because much of this has to do with how often they stream per month, which gives a more active fanbase.. but then there's people that stream a lot less with higher viewership as well.

>>4756986
>so you can't apply one metric across all 15k+ VTubers that exist.

>>4756920
Take a look at the top 300 superchat. The lowest one receives 3k in a month. There's more than 100 nijisanji in there at least. How about you look at it and make a list of all the vtubers that appear on the top 300 this month?

>>4757065
>why some males are so high (Kuzuha, Kenmochi, Kanae, Fuwa) and why others are lower like Belmond, Nagao, Kanda, Air

What kind of question is this. It's not like all male streamers are the same, you know.
Some appeal more to more people and some don't. Also of course there's some luck involved.

>>4756838
like clockwork

>>4757178
The way it's talked like here, people act like the girls in nijisanji are unpopular and only males are popular.

>>4757187
Resorts to name calling, kek

>>4757386
Yeah well they're just tribalist retards.

>>4757003
Why?

>>4757065
The top guys you mentioned curated a dedicated fanbase while the bottom guys you mentioned are more laidback streamers.

>>4757386
Well yeah, because it's true. Why do you think we call it Manjisanji?

>>4757508
but it's a fact tho?

>>4757003
There are definitely a lot more numbers involved. Outliers are usually trimmed out, but if the performance is consistent, then it's no longer an outlier, but a trend.

>>4758037
Just the fact that you wouldn't ask for their unique viewers stats instead would tell them enough

>>4757386
Many of the females in nijisanji are some of the most popular vtubers on the planet. People are warped because many of the hololive girls happen to be a bit better than that. They are not failures, they just, for the most part, don't do as well as hololive.

>>4754617
>I meant westerners aren't relevant or else Nijisanji would be courting them.


What do you call NijiEN? The take over of r/nijisanji? The sudden interest in Niji Livers to have Live Translations and/or English learning streams?

>>4758228
holy cope

>>4757895
>>4757946
How is it a fact when there's more girls in the top 30 subscribers? Hoshikawa literally reached 500k today. lmao

And in the live viewers front, Mito, Lize, Ange, Chihiro, Nui, Lulu, Toko, Sasaki, Shiina, Hskw, Ars, Himawari, Mikoto and others are high.

>>4758403
You're arguing with anons who think 1mil is the norm.

>>4758228
People are just being dumb because they think the entire industry needs to perform at the level of hololive in specific metrics or they're a failure. Imagine applying the same kind of mindset in any other industry; you'd be utterly ridiculed.

>>4758309
Not company wide considering how only two actively try it (ako and onoshima) while others did something like 1 time and stopped and the majority didn't do anything.

NijiEN obviously is an attempt to the west, same for the EN channel, reddit and content for english audiences.

>>4758342
>clearly state that most Niji females are S tier in popularity but their average happens to be less than the best females in another high tier company
>c-cope

>>4758309
>What do you call NijiEN? The take over of r/nijisanji?
Corporate expansion
>The sudden interest in Niji Livers to have Live Translations and/or English learning streams?
Corporate suggestion. The livers aren't on board.

>>4755760
English Speaking Compilation with the Boys (VTuber/NIJISANJI Moments) (Eng Sub)
English Among us even though their NijiID and NijiIN can speak Jap fine
https://youtu.be/TxZMvtgqxns
https://youtu.be/Wh3c3_7Oqe4
FUMINO TAMAKI (Noraneko) hosts THE GREATEST English-only call in stream
https://youtu.be/P5e4cVkC-TM
Gwelu's whisper challenge with English statements
https://youtu.be/sLwmz7HV0b0

I can go one but that is just the gist of it. Shiina, Sara, Amamya also did duolingo.

>>4758448
I mean, the fact that the vtuber fanbase think 200k and 100k is low subscriber number or that 1k live viewer is low says everything.

>>4758403
about 4:1 females to males in Nijisanji
yet, of 's top 10, 7 are males.>>4752928
but yeah, females are doing great, just as good as the males right

>>4758575
That Among US with Vshojo and Kizuna AI.

>>4758457
>What do you mean he can't hit like Joe DiMaggio!? He doesn't belong in the majors!

>>4758573
>>4758488
Secret: If nijiEN was getting holoEN numbers I think more people would be on board. Not the heavy hitters but the ones that are desperate to expand.

>>4758573
>they are S tier
>but there are many others doing better
that's not how S tier works anon

>>4739977
Actually it is surprisingly high for me.
Aqua had similar return streams before and those were not that high, they were much closer to her regular streams at like 20-30k.
The fact she did that short stream before her break must have made sure a lot more people would show up when she came back, both fans and antis.

>>4758632
I see that Niji males are overperformed compared to average male vtubers rather than Niji females are underperformed compared to average female vtubers

>>4740174
I will never stop laughing at the fact that Bahroo mogs all of Vshojo.

>>4758586
says what? That you're a faggot complaining about numbers on a numbers thread?

>>4758575
>>4758636
>Nijisanji doesn't pander.
>No. Livers don't care, they are not Nijisanji. It's not the same!.
>Only two livers! It doesn't count.
>It's been too long since they pandered. It's not the same!

Bitch please. Just because they can't speak the language doesn't mean they don't try when given a chance. They constantly do.

>>4758802
It's a numbers thread not a dick waving thread, calm logical analysis is much more relevant here than console war faggotry

>>4758781
average vtubers get about 10 viewers live, what a metric to rely on

>>4758901
>says what? That you're a faggot complaining about numbers on a numbers thread?
So that's a yes.

>>4758573
>>4758575

Hoshikawa KING English cover
https://youtu.be/rBnTj-A182U

Ars Duolingo stream
https://youtu.be/3OgW7rF8zws

Shizuka Rin has Live Machine Translations on her Twitch
https://youtu.be/g3xMcKY1hXA

>>4758575
yumeoi also responds to comments in english

>>4759021
anon you're killing him

If you're only here for braindead console war bullshit, you should leave. Numbers thread is for proper analysis with context taken into account.

>>4759021
>>4759072

The problem with this whole Nijisanji doesn't pander narrative is that the livers themselves don't have an issue with it. They react when they want to. They take part in streams that specifically panders. Who fucking wants to reject a specific group? It will only make them look rude anyways. The best is to just either be polite about it or give them more reasons to watch and engage with you.

>>4759187
>bigger number mean better
>x type views count and only y type views count be I like which one is bigger
I only see trash.

>>4759220
i know i'm replying to people who don't care about OTHER COMPANY, that's all this thread is about

>>4758575
>>4759021
>a few isolated incidents and a few people out of literally hundreds
Kuzuha, Touya, Mito, Lize, Yashir, Nui, etc couldn't care less about EOP. It's not comparable to hololive at all where everyone does it. And Sara panders very little considering she's almost fluent in English like Haato.

>>4759500
Would they say no to western fans if they showed up? If yes then they are based.

>>4758781
Exactly. Most female niji jp vtubers are above others and even in hololive with some cases (like mito, lize and others)

>>4758839
I don't disagree they do pandering, but it's on much less quantity than holo does as far as what members do.

>>4759187
Most are in here for that, not for some neutral view on numbers. lol unfortunately, as a discussion more about numbers would be great.

>>4759500
Yeah those definitely are some that never gave a fuck to english speakers, similar to how even in holo you have okayu and Choco who doesn't give much of a shit.

>>4758706
Niji females aren't really that outpaced by holo females. Remove outliers like Marine, Pekora, Miko, Gura etc. and the numbers are very comparable.

>>4756214
>VOD views do not matter
Let’s consider this objectively. 30k VOD views would be equal to 30 million VOD views, if it truly didn’t matter. Obviously, we all know views on YouTube matter.

>>4759500
Kuzuha shows off his mad English skills
https://youtu.be/oTLDO06QPNQ
Tsukino Mito Kuso Zako English
https://youtu.be/717BKxntdC4
Nijisanji Lize Helesta watches OUR multilingual birthday video, gets super touched
https://youtu.be/oWXaewUCUww

Should I go on?

>>4739934
People who still say Niji is more popular than Hololive are still living as if it's 2019.

>>4759831
>holo does as far as what members do.
Holomems have seen how well pandering to the west has gotten their coworkers so it makes sense. The problem is no amount of pandering from Nijisanji talents has actually netted any real results and they aren't getting a second covid to try. They are in competition with themselves and hololive and other agencies, it'd be dumb to close off interest in a saturated market.

This thread is getting weirder. This is numberthread. OP is using Vnuma chart only show 25 top vtuber. Why dont we talk about the actual numbers that we have? And why some people keep butthurt about mansanji. That is literally a meme about most of the Nijisanji livers appear on top 25 is male.

>>4759831
>I don't disagree they do pandering, but it's on much less quantity than holo does as far as what members do.

No. Not all JP speak English or even dare to try. Some like Subaru do put english context text subs but is it that so bad? Just because EOPs became attracted watching them doesn't mean they actually actively do talk or try. They have live translators for that and very very active clippers. They just do their shit.

>>4759852
compare it to give a better argument.

>>4759956
those are terrible examples. it's not because they use english sometimes that it's pandering

>>4759977
no one says niji is more popular overall, the only argument that exists is about jp.

>>4759956
Saying a single sentence in English isn't pandering and you're really reaching with that Lize video.

>>4759956
Are you being serious

>>4760106
Those examples only show that these livers don't actively negate having an EOP audience. They are there and when given a chance they try to engage them. It also shows that they don't respond in English because of the fact that they are bad at it.

>>4759977
They are still popular but not overly dominant like back in 2019.

>>4760226
and this is what 2019 looks like

>>4760213
>don't actively negate having an EOP audience.
No one said that they do

Yesterday's supers

>>4759956
Oh no bros, Kenmochi is pandering to the middle east audience...
What the fuck...

>>4742417
POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE POMU LOVE

>>4759852
I mean no shit anon. That's like saying the Brooklyn Nets aren't shit if you take away KD and Harden (they can keep Kyrie. Motherfucker's mad overrated)

>>4760226
>>4760263
What about the terms in Japanese?

>>4760289
All the livers in Nijisanji that you all listed that does not pander basically have specific styles anyways. So them responding to comments is all that you going to get as far as pandering goes. Kanae would never do a duolingo but he did that amongus stream. I doubt Kuzuha can even manage to talk to other nijiID livers without using his conversation deck.

>>4760308
If he can even speak as competently as Sara can, there is no doubt that he will troll people in English as well.

>>4760473
its a topic so its included. Same for hololive because its company.

>>4760321
So is NijiEn the Porzingis of chuubas?

>Billed as the Pippen to the main branches' Jordan that would elevate the company to contender status
>Isn't even in the top performers in terms of live viewers in the company
>Gets outperformed by Vsluts all the time
>Has a medical issue that may or may not cut their vtubing career short (Pomu)

>>4760777
Ah ok. Wasn't sure how language was incorporated in these.

>>4760263
I wonder how many hololive members regret not being in Nijisanji during that period and when they backtracked. Matsuri liked having a real paycheck though.

>>4759852
Remove the data I doesn't prove my hypothesis and you'll see that I'm right!

>>4760226
Where can I see these graphs for myself?

>>4761168
I don't think any of them did at the time. Vtubing in 2019 was still hella niche. It wasn't that long ago when a stream getting 30-40k views was stupid rare. Its the reason why most Nijisanji members have this attitude of treating vtubing as a side gig because it's wasn't really something that you do to earn money. Nowadays, with the potential of superchat and merch, the attitude is a lot more different now I'm sure.

>>4760024
I'm not sure why, what I assume are false flaggers, are like that. They genuinely try to make you think that Nijisanji livers would say no to more eyeballs. Many fish for popularity all the time.

>>4761168
>Cover's main selling point used to be "we pay you!"
Oh man.

>>4758692
>If nijiEN was getting holoEN numbers I think more people would be on board. Not the heavy hitters but the ones that are desperate to expand.
It's a catch 22 situation. They need to expand to get the group to pander, but they need to pander to get the group to expand. Their problem was failing to see the market changes when they were happening in the first place, pretty much letting Hololive free range to operate at leisure. The fact that there are people out the that use the word Hololive in place of VTubers says how bad of a fuck up they did and how much they'll have to work to get a place in the market that they neglected.

>>4762322
Honestly, what the fuck were they thinking with India.

>>4762322
Hololive got a horseshoe stuck up their asses because Fubuki, a cover shareholder, started trying to expand and Korone being pretty entertaining when the bug was really hitting. Maybe Rion should have dropped some n bombs or something.

>>4762322
To be fair, nobody expected holoEN to blow up the way it did. Even if Cover had plans for an EN branch since 2019, it was still a risky gamble. Remember that the holomyth girls had 100k subs as their goals because of the expectation that the primarily weeb audience of the overseas VTuber base wouldn't be very receptive to EN VTubers.

>>4762322
The amount of success that Niji is getting in the JP scene has pretty much hit its possible high. What they can only do is to either hit a different fanbase like what they are doing with this nijipex or hit the same type of audience that they have right now but from a different country. Just looking at the vitriol that these apex meatheads are throwing at their vtubers, I think it would be a less toxic environment for them to focus on EOP. They are already hiring more people for that. They may not get the same boom like Hololive but it is those people are the ones that will mostly likely purchase the merch they would sell.

>>4763261
>different fanbase like what they are doing with this nijipex
too bad the streamer pros are leeching them instead kek

>>4762886
You must be stupid. Hololive isn't famous because of just one girl. A lot of viral meme stuff happened. No one fan will tell you that they came from watching Korone or Miko clips. Asacoco and Watame no Uta happened. Gen 3 happened. Aqua and Azur Lane happened. Scatman happened. Ruhsia raging happened. Nijisanji also had a lot of that. Noone really capitalized on them. My first actual clip that introduced me to Vtubers was Sasaki talking about her dad. I mostly watch Hololive now.

>>4763261
>>4762322
How is VirtuaReal doing in China anyways?
I have no idea bout anything there.

>>4762987
>>4763544
I know some people will call me a troll or is baiting with this but another thing that hololive lucked out in is that they managed to get gigguk to like them. The dude give them a massive exposure to his fans. Say what you want about him or his fans but the dude is pretty much the pewdiepie of the anime community, him liking hololive and selling it to his audiences help hololive a lot and that was pretty much free marketing for them.

>>4763544
>>4764281
I discover pekora after watching pewdiepie Minecraft let's play.

>>4764281
Newfag

>>4764426
Honestly, if you watch a game that these girls play or even catch a song that they did a cover of, you will most likely see them as recommended. The algorithm favors them. Likes, Subscriber count and comment engagement is high on their vids as well as vtuber clip channels about them. Some of them are so YT friendly that they even got tagged as a kid's channel.

>>4764803
Getting tagged as a kids channel is not exactly an endorsement, Coco's old Mcdonalds cover got tagged as for kids, so did haachama's bitch made pasta video. The algorithm is just retarded

>>4765045
I'm not saying that it is an endorsement. What I'm saying is that the algorithm is friendly towards them. You know being tagged as a kid's channel is the same way of putting your vid in a mix playlist for kids that would watch it 20x every day.

>>4763603
Pretty good, they get to participate in live concerts and have their own 3D since they're partially owned by bilibili.

>>4763603
Since nobody seems to know I looked them up and I think they're doing pretty well?
Like more than 40 Chinese livers, with the big guns having like 3 mil subscribers(?) if I'm reading this site correctly.
https://vtbs.moe/

>>4760293
Why everyone ignored this? Also I'm happy to see love-chan in there!

>>4767850
Who?

>>4768238
One of the literal Kizuna Ai clones that used to produce content on her channel. You know, the ones that led to the controversy...

>>4768514
Oh so she's one of the patsies upd8 hired to reduce Ai's power within the company?