/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

still?

>>48938025
i'll post the 57th bait thread on this topic and not watch her or niji

No, I'm just going to groom some 2views like everyone else

Zaion is a stupid cunt who should kill herself.
Nijisanji is a shitty black company that should be burned down.
/vt/ is the single worst board on this site and never should have been created.

Probably just going to keep watching Scarle

Don't care still watching Rosemi

>>48938025
I never watched this disgusting corporation so no.
I will only support Zaion.

yes
I like my oshi more than I dislike management, it's really that simple
if she streams i will support her. if she stops streaming i will stop watching nijisanji

>>48938390
>Claims to support her
>Still calling her Zaion
Way to out yourself as a shitposter who never watched her and never will.

>>48938479
She will always be Zaion in my head.
Zaion Sayu is her full name.

>>48938025
I just don't have the mood to.
Stopped watching nijiEN for a while now. I didn't think the zaion thing will affect me since I wasn't very invested in her but here I am.

people that "supported" her conveniently forget the "talents over corpo" argument they kept spamming in the threads. Also, none of the discussion is about her content but about the company management. Completely disingenuous

I only really fap to selen dicking pomu fanart
didn't know they stream

>>48938025
I'll only keep watching NijiJP and maybe Reimu sometimes.

>>48938025
I'll still watch LazuLight, but I've already been increasingly ignoring the other waves and this might accelerate that a bit.

>>48939749
>Lazulight
Are you still watching Finana? Just curious.

>>48938025
I never watched anyone from Niji and I will continue to not, the document she released exploding made me learn who she is though and I look forward to seeing her indie

>>48938025
I'll continue watching Selen while pretending the rest of the branch doesn't exist

>>48939811
Sometimes, but not as much. I'm mainly a Pomu simp, but Elira and Finana are good too.

>>48938025
>If you're angry about what they did to Rushia, are (You) still going to watch Hololive? Or was this the last straw?

>>48938248
Based and /thread

I only watch Selen now, but before Zaion's termination I bought all the voice packs and had an active subscription on Twitch to Selen's channel(she barely streams there). Now I only have my youtube membership and stopped buying anything related with Nijisanji.
Also every branch related event(that is always Selen organizing everything) Now I tend to avoid them, since it made seethe that every branch event is funded by dragoons.
Sisters really care about the "brand image", but never do shit for the branch. Even, the luxiem lofi theme, is dragoon funded....

>>48938025
I love Nina, and I would like to think she was one of the ones supportive towards Zaion. But not knowing makes it hard.
>>48939811
Maybe he's educated himself.

>>48938025
>implying I watch nijishitji

>>48939988
>If you're angry about what Rushia did to herself, are (You) still going to watch Nazuna? Or was this the last straw?
ftfy nijisister

>>48938025
>If you're angry about what they did to
Yuri, are (You) still going to watch Phase Connect? Or was this the last straw?

>>48938025
I was probably the only person whose only Niji channels were Gundo and Zaion, so I haven't watched any in over a month and may never get the opportunity to.

>>48938025
i don't give a shit, i'm not a retarded dramafag drooling at the mouth. i'm going to continue to watch pomu

>>48940533
What happens if your oshi is next?

>>48938025
I already unsubscribed from every Nijisanji member and used an add-on to block all 233 of their YouTube channels from appearing in my recommendations. I knew, from the moment when they announced that they were terminating my girl, that something was fishy.

>>48939811
name some other EN vtuber that played honkai and gets the hoyoverse references in star rail?

>>48939811
nta, but I also mostly only watch lazulight. yes, this includes finana. finana is on thin ice for me for all that bullshit she said about zaion, and I'm trying to determine whether she did it out of malice or if she's just that retarded.

I'll continue to watch nijisanji until pomu quits.

I would love to drop NijiEN like a sack of bricks, but the thing that's frustrating is that I like being membered to Kotoka and Rosemi, they're basically the only things keeping me there still.
I'm also not an "I hate all male talents" guy, I find Vox to be a good entertainer and tune in to his streams every now and then and can't blame the guy for chasing the money, anyone else would probably do the same thing. But between the horrific mismanagement behind-the-scenes and talents like Enna and Kyo being outright harmful to the branch and bringing it down with their bad attitudes and love of drama, its become tiring to keep up with the branch as a day one lazulight supporter. What's worse is that if they shutdown NijiID and Yumenografia, if Zaion is one example of the shit the talents go through, what's happening to the other talents right now? It's too worrying to think about and its frustrating to love some of the streamers but still being forced to support a company that's increasingly becoming a pump and dump scheme for Riku.

>>48938435
Fagoons always make the worst posts.

>>48938025
I stopped watching them a while ago, not because of any yabs but simply because their content stopped being interesting for me after I found better alternatives. Zaion was the only one I was following because she seemed fun.

>>48939811
She has been my oshi since her scuffed debut. I stuck with her through everything up until now and I'll continue to do so.

>>48941060
>rosebud
>using the same image saved from the general over and over instead of one of his two thousand unique rosemi screenshots
Lurk for a billion years and then pick a different fanbase to falseflag as

>>48941469

>>48940639
Link to that add-on?

>>48938728
No no, she should go full Queen of the Jews and call herself "Zion Sayu".

>>48938025
Yeah. If I want to give the streamer money then I'll use their PL's streamlabs.

>>48938025
>are (You) still going to watch Nijisanji
Nope

I never watched her and am only barely aware there's some sort of drama surrounding her.
But I still decided to drop 2434 because there's too much flirting with the guys. I really liked Kotoka, but I can't stomach the homos and the sex jokes.

>>48940422
=( kinda hard to not watch phase connect, what was the reason for her termination again?

>>48938025
Her termination was the final straw, I couldn't support a company that publicly shamed one of their employees in such a fashion, and I knew I would be vindicated once the truth came out.

>>48941278
You're hopeless

Not going to watch niji and my company has blacklisted Niji

>>48938025
Still watching jp. Was 50/50 on EN but they started taking swipes at her again while she tried to clear her name pretty gently, they can't help themselves. It's like high-school shit. I'm out and done with EN. Hoping the girls I like go indie again someday.

The last straw was when elira was sexually harassing Uber drivers not realizing the irony of double standards

>>48943731
Your company?

>>48943733
>they started taking swipes at her again
they did???

>>48944139
https://twitter.com/bannedvtmemes/status/1655294599471206401

>>48944255
>hex and kyo
of course it’s them

>>48938025
The first straw was the last straw for me. I used to watch Pomu and Selen now nobody

Rosemi, Pomu, Nina, Scarle
Mysta, Alban, Fulgur, Sonny.
Don't particularly care for anyone else.
I have dropped many others the day it was made clear the clique cancer went after Zaion.
I can only hope she used a Discord scraper before hopping out and lawyers up, she will win hands-down for the shit they put her through.
It's obvious she isn't mentioning more things that put people in a bad light because they'd attack her hardcore. (not that they'd win, they'd lose so fucking hard for trying to destroy her image, no NDA will win over that, Japan can go fuck itself)

>>48944437
We really did get the warning signs from the beginning, huh

>>48944255
This and knowing the only nijisanji that defended her when she was being doxxed back during her dismissal was "vacationed" shortly after the statement made me sour on the entire company a lot. Everyone else punched down at her at the time and it's shit to know her cat was dying at the time and they didn't give her the okay to talk to past life friends. It's just not what I want to think about when I watch streams. If EN interacts more with JPs I like I'll drop them the entire company. It's not out of malice but it's just stressful to have it tainted by people acting like babies about everything surrounding management mistreating someone. Before this I watched Pomu and Selen pretty actively and tried to give everyone an occasional chance. Those two don't feel like they belong in this company, but it's not worth putting up with.

>>48938025
Sure. Elira and Enna have only improved with time, and while I don't follow the others, I can tolerate them when they show up in collabs. Even the males are often good fun, kinda have a soft spot for Fulgur.
Their management may be shit, but I really don't give a fuck, doesn't affect my viewing experience. I also can't be arsed to do the ebin /vt/ schizo larp and get buttblasted over some cunt I never watched in the first place. It's all very unfortunate, but I'm over my 5 minutes of indignation. Hope she finds success as an indie.

>>48941130
Explain how his post was bad.

>>48938025
I only watch Rosemi in NijiEN and look forward to the day of her leaving so she can stream games without having to get permissions or waiting for collab members to sign up at the last minute.

>>48938025
Nijis are Hololive fans who have to cope with being a Niji by doing the almost cult-like BIG NIJISANJI FAMILY larp that reeks of desperation. Even funnier is when they act like some kind of hardcore Nijisanji fans in front of the JPs when they all used to have Hololive oshis and never gave a single fuck about Nijisanji before entering.
And their audience is just a bunch of Hololive fans who jumped ship out of hipster faggotry and now they’re stuck there having to pretend that Nijisanji is actually good because they can’t admit to themselves that the ”holobronies” who mocked them were right all this time.
The whole thing is made of 2434 layers of pure seethe.

>>48938025
I'm genuinely not sure.
There are some content creators who I still enjoy to watch in EN, such as Pomu or Nina, but I feel like I need to express my distaste towards the management somehow.

Yes. I watch for the vtuber, not the company. Something that is apparently very foreign to other nijiniggers.
If she left the company (which honestly hope she does) then I follow where she goes unless she's done vtubing.
All the nijiniggers felating the company are something else, and yes I get there's irony in this statement because I'm watching a vtuber working under niji company but again, I don't care about the company.

>>48938025
Nijisanji you say? Never heard of them, never will look into them. Heil Zaion!

>>48945644
projection? holofags' entire culture is pretending their streamers do something amazing when everyone else does the same thing but better

>>48942540
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-cleaner/?utm_source=addons.mozilla.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=search

>>48944789
>the only nijisanji that defended her when she was being doxxed back during her dismissal was "vacationed" shortly after
Who was it? I really don't remember a vacation after the zaion thing.

>>48945855
Risotto

>>48940422
Of course. She got paid, got terminated, and pocketed the cash. Big brain of her tbhfamsmh.

>>48945808
Sounds to me like you are the one projecting here friend, fanbase truly reflects the oshi >>48944437

>>48945892
Ren? Wasn't he laughing about the google docs joke in Hex bd just now?

>>48945970
Yeah because management corrected him

>>48946036
>management corrected him
H-how?

>>48945945
not an argument
t. fanbase reflects oshi

>>48946095
He took a long vacation after he defended her the first time.

>>48946212
Wasn't that scheduled literally weeks beforehand?

>>48938025
>still
Never watched them in first place.

>>48946175
My oshi isn't in hololive. Nice try

>>48946256
what a surprise because my oshi isn't in niji

>>48946366
>>48946256
my oshi isnt on planet earth

I unsubbed to all niji livers, even levi elipha whom I love.

>>48946246
Proof?

>>48945808
>everyone else does the same thing but better
Sour grapes

>>48938772
I'm not giving nijisanji a cut of my superchat donation you fucking faggot. Kill yourself.

>>48946977
>pretending to support someone when you weren't doing anything in the first place
yeah kys you fraud

>If you're angry about what they did to Zaion,
i'm not
>are (You) still going to watch Nijisanji?
yes
>Or was this the last straw?
nope, i completely forgot about her until this latest thing

>>48938025
i slowly dropped niji over the last year so i guess i wont watch them anymore
i dont really care about zaoin, what happen to indonesia is way worse in my opinion

>>48938025
Implying I ever watched such a black company.

>>48945892
>>48945855
>>48944789
they seriously suspended him for saying harassment is bad?

>>48947987
Might have just been a rumor, but with the leak that a vacation can mean a suspension it's possible

I stopped watching NijiEN because several indies and small corps have risen and give me more of what I originally liked in early NijiEN waves. The Zaion matter was just what got me to unsubscribe from most of them. I'll still watch Pomu/Selen if they're live with things I like, but for the most part I wasn't bothering to watch most NijiENs anymore already. Just wasn't as fun anymore. I also have never sent a single superchat and never will.

>>48938025
>are (You) still going to watch Nijisanji?
unironically no. unsubbed from everyone but mika since the termination.

i'll keep watching elira comfy jrpg streams
i'll keep watching meloco cause her asmr is good

so nothing has really changed aside from zaion not being a part of it anymore. nijisanji sucks but it's not like i give them any money

already unsubbed and stop donating on almost everyone except for Selen since it's not the same as 2 years ago, nowaydays I just watch FPSchuuba anyway

>>48947315
>If you're angry about what they did to Zaion,
>i'm not
You can leave then.

>>48938025
I watch Pomu. I will continue to watch Pomu. I'll watch not-Pomu if Pomufication ends. I'm also subbed to a handful of other NijiENs, but that list shrinks by the month, and I rarely watch any of them anymore. Elira, Selen, and Rosemi included.

>>48938025
I used to be a nijinig and more specifically a fagoon, but Zaion really won me over in her debut week so I left when they gave her the boot. I unsubbed from all of them and ended my Selen membership. I'll still watch Pomu or Selen's vods from time to time if they play a game I like, but I'll never give Kurosanji a dime or any more viewership than that. I wish they weren't stuck in that shitty company so I couldn't feel bad about supporting them.

>>48943717
Yes, yes I am.

>>48938025
I already checked out from Nijisanji after Wallmart Cinderella and Lulu quit.
This Zaion stuff just proof that Nijisanji management is shit tier.

>>48940422
It take a special kind of woman to get kicked out from Phase Connect.

>>48949286
So this isn’t a discussion thread, it’s a hugbox

>>48947176
They can get my money when they go indie.

>>48938025
I already dropped nijisanji entirely when she got terminated. No en, jp, id. Especially when her branch mates fucking backstabbed her after the announcement.
Fuck nijisanji fucking black company

Why should I betray my oshi for some EN girl? Seems kind of thin skinned and faggy

>>48947315
Based black corpo supporter

>>48940359
She lost a lot of potential fans by playing hot potato with Mike and Nazuna

>>48939749
Same. There's still good people in the branch but every time something like this happens I just want less and less to do with the company as a whole

>>48941278
Same man, same. She's a bit of a dumbass but so am I

>>48940758
I've followed enough social media types over the years to advise anything besides dropping her. Take it from me if you're detecting warning signs then just listen to your gut and drop them, your gut is almost always correct.

>>48940422
There's a difference between those two terminations though.
Zaion pretty much pissed off her manager by talking to her on-board hiring manager about things she was worried about. That guy then had it out for her despite him being a greenhorn with only 2 weeks of managing experience.
Yuri on the other hand willfully signed over the rights to her character models to Phase after just managing to keep it despite Cyberlive sinking. She then had a donothon where she raised $4000, somehow Phase was fucking pissed and gave her an ultimatum, and then the business relation between the two was severed. And even then, Yuri at least had a decent send off with a good bye video being posted on her channel. That's not even close to being unpersonned, harassed, and doxxed by the NijiEN fanbase.

>>48938025
I haven't watched NiggyEN ever since luxiem debuted. Nevertheless, I'll give her a chance and see how entertaining she really is.

>>48938025
Probably just going to keep watching Scarle

At this point it all just comes to what game someone is playing. I'm watching Nina right now for Metal Gear and before that I was watching Elira for Persona.

>>48963271
Dangerously close to realizing vtubers is not all that's hyped to be.

>>48945195
he's a tribalfag so for them is Company > Oshi

>>48938025
I'll keep watching Rosemi & Salome btw

>>48947987
No.

>>48953382
More of a rage circlejerk.

It's a bunch of antis trying to get each other mad enough to do something stupid.

>>48963903
He literally said he watches Selen and doesn't care about niji overall

>>48966121
Dont have to do anything when the livers do it themselves

>>48938025
Boycotting Nijishit is easy for me because I never watched that shit to begin with.

>>48963328
Vtubers are entertainer. They're normal human like the rest of us. You're the one who put them on a pedestal

>>48938248
>/vt/ is the single worst board on this site and never should have been created.
/pol/ /v/ those others boards I shall not name

>>48938025
Last straw.

I want you fucks to get real, the vast majority of people here don't actually give a fuck about her well-being, you just pretend to care because it makes Nijisanji look bad, which yeah, it does. I just don't like this whole "pretending to be in the right side of history" thing /vt/ is pulling right now. If there was no drama, you'd just be calling her a whore and shittalking her like with every other Niji girl.

>>48957180
>She then had a donothon where she raised $4000
why do people keep saying this. She didn't have a donothon, she had a donation goal for like 2-3 months for her PC parts. She didn't get $4000 all at once, it was the sum of all her revenue over a few months of streaming.

>>48938025
I stopped watching NijiEN since "Educate yourself" happened. But I won't stop watching NijiJP

>>48963903
How did you manage to interpret the post in a way that is the complete opposite of what it actually said

I dropped Nijisanji when Pomu and Finana had the infamous "pufferfeesh" collab and Uki crashed it.
Having the guys around was already a serious pain in the ass, but I stopped watching big collabs and it was ok.
But then Luca kept showing up at Pomu's streams uninvited and even those became a pain in the ass.
Ruining a hyped up collab was the last straw, the ultimate proof that they did not give a single shit about their older fans and were not willing to ever make any compromise to cater to them.
So I left.
Zaion looks col tho, I've been digging into her since the controversy and I will gladly follow her and check her out when she streams again.
A shame she's mostly a Mihoyo streamer because god fuck gacha, but she also said she'd like to play professor layton or some other DS/GC shit someday, so I'll definitely go watch those.

>>48938025
I educated myself and dropped them like a hot potato before this.

>>48938025
Zaion won.

>>48938025
No, it was the last straw for me.

I used to watch selen pomu rosemi and elira a lot but after the last few months I'd already dialed that right back because of all the company wide drama, after sayu's stream I'm done because it sounds like they're an actual black company with a nasty bullying problem behind the scenes from a few things she hinted at.

although after hex and kyo's bullshit today can't really say it's just behind the scenes at this point.

>>48938025
I was willing to still watch Selen. But knowing how the sausage at that company is made, I can't continue to support her in good conscious, as I am forced to wonder if she's getting subjected to similar things or not.

Scarle and Nina are fine, literally unsubscribed from everyone else.
I was a hardcore niji simp but after what they did to Zaion and knowing they host dogshit humans like Enna, Kyo and Finana I became very disenfranchised with the EN branch

unsubbed to all nijis

>>48977511
If she ever went on vacation suddenly, she has

>>48976372
Saviorfags are real and recurrent thing.

>>48938025
I pretty much mostly watch Pomu at this point, and that's not every stream. Sometimes I'll check out Elira if she's playing a game I'm interested in. I used to watch Selen a little bit but I kinda lost interest in her streaming style and game choice, but she still seems like a reasonably nice person. Rosemi, Nina, and Scarle all seem like good people too, they're just not for me.

Everybody else in NijiEN either fuckin' sucks or is irrelevant enough for me to not really have an opinion on them. I'm not gonna sit there and act like Nijisanji isn't dog shit on the carpet flooring, but there's a few good people still in there no doubt. I'll continue to watch Pomu scream at games and for Elira to play her shitty JRPGs, but the recent news really soured me on the whole branch.

I'm definitely less invested in NijiEN than I previously thought possible.

>>48938025
The only Niji I dedicatedly watch at all is Nina, who I like in spite of Nijisanji, so nothing will really change for me.

>>48938025
It's a tough call. For all I know, the members I like might be getting the Zaion treatment behind the scenes. On one hand, the way management handles things is unacceptable. On the other hand, streaming is probably most members' only source of income.
A possible solution would be diehard viewers following talents after they graduate and reincarnate, but just look at what happened to Kson and Nazuna. Both were once top dogs in Hololive and now they only have like a tenth of the viewers they once had.

>>48938025
One thing is hating the suits behind the talents, but I won't hate Rosemi, Pomu and my beautiful wife Petra.

>>48939988
I love my oshi but I hate hololove

>>48938248
there will never be a more based post on this board
i kneel

>>48938248
>/vt/ is the single worst board on this site and never should have been created
It was good at it's inception, but it wasn't created to be good.
You would know this if you weren't a newfag.

>>48984676
>It's a tough call. For all I know, the members I like might be getting the Zaion treatment behind the scenes
Everyone is getting Zaion's treatment, the difference is that she didn't shut the fuck up and willfully ignored the japanese corpo autism. Pomu looks absolutely miserable sometimes.

>>48938248
>Want /vt/ to be good
It's never good. It's literally a containment area for us because we're destroying /jp/ and /v/ with our autism

Rosemi is the only vtuber I watch anymore so if I stop watching her I'd lose interest vtubers all together. I'll watch rosemi until the end and past that

>>48987042
Reaching a point where /vt/ needs a containment area

>>48987008
>sometimes
I watched Pomu since debut. She sounds flatout exhausted just like she did when she was in her office job

>>48987042
The first few months were comfy as long as you weren't KFP.

>>48987205
She tries to put up a front, but the mask is slipping pretty often lately. It's pretty frustrating to watch, because we can't do anything to help her

>>48987159
It's called "General" anon.

only watch Selen at this point. never was nor understand all this corpo stuff going on the background.

>>48987457
There's one thing she can do. It's just up to her if she wants to go back to maid duties.
After what happened to Zaion, it's starting to feel like it's a matter of time before any of them are given the bottle of whiskey and the revolver for not towing the company line.

>>48987008
>>48987205
>>48987457
I almost feel pity for Pomu.

>>48976968
Yo, why you gotta waste potatoes

>>48987630
>It's just up to her if she wants to go back to maid duties.
I don't think that's an option for her, if she graduates she will just give up and go back to being a full time OL.

>>48988075
People who's already deep in Vtuber hole will never return to normal OL life.

>>48988075
I know it's spoken about a lot, but could she not just go to Hololive? I feel that her talent is really wasted on Nijisanji.

>>48938025
I imagine how they treat the rest and it gets me erect.

>>48987951
this woman lives in a spider-infested apartment, her lease isn't close to being up, and she's miserable having to deal with her manager dragging their feet on things. on top of that, it seems like nijiEN is imploding with the recent drama and shit going on. maybe she's starting to regret leaving her previous job, and she's supposed to be the smart one. rip pommers.

>>48988252
Hololive is too big to get away with poaching now. Her fate was sealed when she failed to stick with it longer and settled for second best.

>>48938025
Yea last straw, never watching niji EN no matter what, not that I was a vivid watcher before but now I'll just pretend they don't exist. I don't put too much blame on dumb zoomers trying their best to be internet famous, I'm surprised at the management and backside of the EN branch. Zaion was not really for me, but I thank her for exposing them at last. Niji EN is no more.

>>48988273
What do you expect:
>Some kinky bdsm master servant shit
What do you get:
>Miserable workplace where you're always on edge and not in good way, more in a bad way where your hair falls out and you prone to sobbing during your lunch break.

>>48940422
Yuri's termination was very soft in comparison to other chuuba termination. She was even given a week and a last stream for her to say goodbye. It usually is either instant termination during/after a suspension where no word is spoken ever again or just a straight up execution out of nowhere.

>>48988428
>Miserable workplace where you're always on edge and not in good way, more in a bad way where your hair falls out and you prone to sobbing during your lunch break.
Airi...

If Nijisanji was as bad as claimed my oshi would have left over a year ago so no, I don't feel bad at all for supporting them

>>48988654
Your oshi is probably one of the cool kids

>>48988654
You haven't been in many jobs then because you'd know how common it is for people stay in a place you absolutely hate.
Sometimes you don't stay there because you love it, sometimes it's your only option and you settle.

>>48988252
I'd love that, but it's just not going to happen. Hololive (the EN branch at least) is not interested on poaching talents from other companies.

>>48938025
About to pass out from lack of sleep, but I want to say I was always on the fence with Niji due to how they operated. Thought some of the talents were chill. Still do. After Zaion, however, I refuse to give any money or views to that black company. I hope the talents find happiness regardless.

>>48988654
Remember, they debut with their own money. They also spend money for their stuff as well. Zaion is in the red when she debuted because she had to pay out of her pocket. This is why livers decided to stay in abusive work environment, because they have to get back what they spent.
And the worst part is if they try to pull a lawsuit, sure they can do that but it also means they gonna risk doxxing themselves because of court documents.
Zaion willing to challenge Anykara because she has nothing to lose. She already got doxxed and literally got swatted. She went full scorched earth and if Anykara trying to sue her she will ensure to drag them thru the mud by revealing their horrible business practice.

I don't understand this watch x company or y company.

I don't watch any company i follow individual talents regardless of where they work.

>>48991509
> Watches streamer A from company X: "Hmm, they seem dissatisfied with their environment, cancel big event and tend to have toxic collabs. Let's just move on."
> Watches streamer B from company X: "Hmm, they seem dissatisfied with their environment, cancel big event and tend to have toxic collabs. Let's just move on."
> Watches streamer C from company X: "Hmm, they seem dissatisfied with their environment, cancel big event and tend to have toxic collabs. Let's just move on."
> [...]
Just out of interest: Are you a clip watcher?

>>48991721
No i don't watch clips.

>>48991849
Which (and how many) streamers then?
I'm not necessarily saying that your stance is wrong but often the streamer's surrounding influence the streamer and it's naive to straight out ignore those factors.

>>48938025
I don't watch a single Nijisanji Vtuber. I tried but unironically this place convinced me not to and look where we are.

>>48938025
>NijiEn
>En
That is your problem.

I never watched Niji as I am not chineses and/or gay. Except Selen, I can be a gay ching chong bing bong for Selen.

>>48938435
your oshi is a fragile Chinese bitch, she was fun at first but her freudian slips are just too much also if you're in that discord you should hang yourself, I bet Gator cucks every single one of you.

>>48992703
I watch Pomu, Enna, Millie, Nina, Elira, Selen, Kronii, Subaru, Fauna, Mumei, Nene (hololive), Nene (Kawaii) Pekora, Irys, Tenma, Neuro, Yuko,
And just a whole crap load of random people for ASMR.

>>48938025
So far, I've been avoiding the "males", Enna, and the traitor bitches like the plague. I prio Hololive/Indie streams over Niji.

>>48992842
>He forgets the Meiro/Roa situation
The fish rots from the head down

>>48938025
Feel bad that dramatubers are taking advantage of her to gain favor on the board.

Also feel bad that she got absolutely fucked by a black company.

She already had a large audience before nijisanji though, so I'm sure she'll be fine.

>>48993835
If NijiJP is actually as bad as what schizos here imagined, they would have fired Meiro on spot. Which ironically would be a better outcome. Instead they let that schizo menhera go not once but twice. It's Meiro's new fanbase who caused the most damage.

>>48988351
I don’t think she regrets the transition, she probably made more money as a vtuber than she did ever working as a wagie.
What she does probably regret is not putting her foot down at some of management’s dumber bullshit or her coworkers dumb ideas. And now that she saw what happened to Zaion and how the fanbase can easily turn on her, it’s hard not to feel like NijiEN talents are in some weird hostage situation or pyramid scheme.

>>48994618
>What she does probably regret is not putting her foot down at some of management’s dumber bullshit or her coworkers dumb ideas
Probably. She gives the feeling that she has given up and is just going through the motions.

>>48994046
Nah, False is already having a grudge toward Niji way before Zaion termination since Anykara copystriked his videos. So when this drama fell into his lap he went all out and made in depth reading of Zaion's google doc. He's pretty much on Zaion's side.
Meanwhile Khyo, Rev Says Desu and Hero Hei only make shorter videos.

>>48988075
I'm not 100% sure on the afterlife situation for anime girls, but if a fairy passed away and became a ghost, I would certainly like to see that.

>>48995488
One of them is also a known grifter

If pomu graduated I think she'd have a bunch of loyal fans follow her. She's talked with her chat about the idea of graduating in the future and chat seemed to be somewhat mature enough during these discussions. Just hope she gets to accomplish all that she wants to do as part of NijiEN before moving on. I just know that I'll follow her wherever she goes just like Zaion.

>>48996194
Pomu's biggest enemy is Pomu herself, sadly. It sucks, but the only thing we can do is to keep supporting her and encouraging her to be happy.

>>48996381
ye pomu really have low self esteem issues even though she is very popular and well liked. I hope she goes indie she gathered enough of a stable fanbase these last 2 years in niji and can build herself more without and company holding her back.

>>48938025
I had already given up on niji circa noctyx. The only thing that changed with this new debacle is that now I know not only niji hires bad talents but they treat them like shit as well.

I don't watch corpos anyway (I haven't been taking part in whatever drama I just skim the threads sometimes) I just find moments like this extremely validating

>>48996381
Yeah man. Even the most recent thing with her maid cafe story where she went all out and got hyped up, the people she went with loved it, and you can see it in what they said during their streams. But pomu just thought they were being nice when she talked about it. The Pomu brain be a difficult thing.

Captcha: PP824J

>>48938025
never watched chinasanji in the first place

lol this thread suddenly became Pomudachi (or whatever her fandom name is) hugbox... or in this case, sadbox.

>>48938025
Only JP chuubas and Fungus Covid with Elira. EN division is fucking cancer.

>>48999818
I guess there's an overlap with hag lovers

>>48999818
Those noodles look fucking delicious

>>48938248
stop it kyo she already left

I didn't watch her but I don't like how they treated her. Will probably really reduce what I watch from them

>>48938025
I never watched her or Nijisanji. I just like drama.

>>48992905
based dragoon

honestly though, with the way things are now, I do hope that some of the more reasonable people in the branch would team up and either try to change things or straight-up mass-graduate, because this shit is absolutely awful, everyone knows about it, and no one is commenting on it out of pure fear aside from the clique fuckers.
Maybe Pomu and Selen would think of something together, they seem to be close friends.
Wonder how Elira feels these days, seeing how her nepo hires turned the entire branch into a toxic sludge that Miyazaki would die for

>>48938248
Fuck off Kyo.

>>49001565
who are elira's nepo-hires?

>>48938248
You'll never be black Kyo.

>>49001623
Enna and Millie
One of them is arguably the most annoying insufferable people in this branch, and the other is just a short-sighted gremlin from... philipines or something idk

>>49001623
Its mostly speculation that its people like Shu and Uki since they were part of Elira's unofficial group in the past, Hanamori IIRC. Millie and Enna were also argued to be there as well, though apparently she was never close to Enna at any point, it was just that Millie was friends with Elira. And even then Millie was just probably hired since she had 100k subs when she graduated, so Anykara probably thought they had a good get.
She was also friends with Pomu and Rosemi even though they were never in her group.

>>49001750
I feel kind of bad for Millie in this context. If the clique shit turns out to be true, and there is an absurdly low chance of that being false, then Millie just sounds like she's best friends with one of the worst fucking people in this company. She's not even doing that much recently aside from playing her one game with her audience, I feel bad for her, her SCP stream was fucking amazing.

>>49001623
How new are you?
Elira makes no secret Enna and Millie are her close friends outside of Niji.
What are the odds?
Both of them joined at the same time, at the same company, both got accepted at the same time into the same gen.

If folks cannot see how this is actual and unironically nepo then even Mr. Beast can't save you.
There were never 4 spots for their wave, 2 were given away thanks to Elira.
You could also chalk this up to why we have 2 nips in EN with Maloco and Kotoka. The former even struggling with english.
Probably 2 more nepos. Maybe even through Yugo.

>>49001914
Yeah. I wanted to blame Millie for so much shit like the Secret GC stream, but a lot of those things in hindsight really do seem like they were down to being genuinely dumb enough to not realize that Enna will turn the whole thing to shit and then leave her to take the brunt of the abuse.
Its hard to believe that they even still seem to be on good terms, I know it's a meme to say "CUT THE TOXIC PEOPLE OUT OF YOUR LIFE" since usually its toxic people saying that, but it absolutely applies with Enna.

>>48938248
I don't know enough about the drama to be objective, but I do agree that /vt/ really is a shithole.

>>49002045
>If folks cannot see how this is actual and unironically nepo then even Mr. Beast can't save you.
I'm stealing this line

>>49002045
So why even bother trying to audition for Niji?
You either got that ticket to be friends with Elira and now with so many other livers in EN.
Or you end up like Zaion and probably get thrown under the bus by the clique if you don't follow their lead and end up doxxed by Kyo, accused of gaslighting by Finana and snapped at for a Deez Nuts joke.
That is Niji for you.

>>49002137
The generals are nice

>>49002045
>Maloco
She's not the only one struggling with english, anon

>>49002094
Yeah... Toxic people are extremely hard to cut out of your life, speaking from experience. Most of the time they're also the only ones or the closest ones to you, too, so it's even worse. I can even believe that Enna wasn't this bitchy like a few years ago, since they knew each other for a while I think. It's just... it's like Finana to me, I don't see both of them doing anything absolutely 100% malicious on purpose because they're just short-sighted and/or dumb to just not think about the consequences at all. And even if Millie somehow gets away from Enna behind the scenes, she would still have to keep up the front of being friendly, because people would start asking questions otherwise.

>>49002226
The funny thing about it is that you're better off being friends with one of the nijis while not actually joining the agency. Just leech off them so you get to take their audience with none of the baggage that comes with it.

>>49002233
They are absolutely not, /NijiEN/ is a fucking hugbox that thinks every slight bit of criticism, even with proof and timestamps, is all trying to tear them apart and their talents can do no wrong. It's sickening.

>>49002433
I honestly wouldn't know. I don't go into any of the Nijisanji generals. They kicked me out so I said "okay" and went to others. I just hang out in /hag/ now
It's just hornyposters with the occasional really deep conversation and the undying need to see 30+ women happy
picrel

>>49002645
Honestly, can relate. I visit /hag/ at times, and there was this one time I got in like a week ago and the conversation got really fucking existential, I loved it.

Certainly better than some threads that got thrown out of /NijiEN/ for calling out hugbox bullshit - and then immediately doing the same in their own thread. I'm looking right at you, /haha/, you dragoons should be ashamed of this.

>>48938025
Why would someone be angry that an asshole fucked around and found out?
Why do you faggots always come out to "champion" shitters who deserve getting shitcanned, but just sit and laugh when someone actually gets fucked over?

>>49003404
You tell them, sis!

>>49003404
>but just sit and laugh when someone actually gets fucked over?
I love how the sisters keep ignoring that Zaion was doxxed, bullied, harassed and got her professional career almost murdered.
>b-but she deserved it!
How so? most of the nijiEN talents have done exactly the same stuff that Zaion was accused of, and she was the only one who got terminated.
>she is an asshole and is trying to attack my oshi's company!
She has stayed quiet for the past few months while everyone and their mother kept insulting her and dragging her name over the mud, and when she reappeared she went out of her way to admit her own wrong doings, recall the happy memories she made while she was working at Nijisanji, and prevent the antis from using her as an excuse to attack other talents.

She probably acted like a little shit a few times, but there is not a single proof that she deserved half of the shit treatment that Nijisanji gave her. And let's not forget that they conveniently ignored her when she got doxxed, while she was still employed by the company. But I guess the victim here is the big corpo, right?

>>48938025
I still don't know what the fuck happened, qrd?

>>48938025
Why would you ever shill for a person who betrayed everybody in niji for free, chud bucko?

Its so strange that chudcels that cry about "le evil women" shill the one woman thats actual evil.

>>49005079
(You)

>>49004750
>Zaion wanted to use her personal Genshin account and asked her manager if it was ok
>The manager gave her the OK
>This manager got hired very recently, managed Zaion's whole gen and had his own manager to... manage him
>Zaion did the stream and it was a success
>It turns out that it wasn't OK
>The manager told her they were going to private the stream and that she couldn't keep using her personal account
>Zaion got confused, because other talents were using their own personal accounts
>Enter: Japanese Corpo Autism. Management didn't want her to keep using her personal account because her PL was easily identifiable, but they didn't have the balls to give her a hard NO.
>Zaion took it as a "maybe in the future", and kept pushing her manager to give her the OK.
>Meanwhile, Zaion fucked up a few times. She played in one of her streams the orisong of one of her genmates without asking for permission, tried to play UNO on stream and made fun of it when it didn't work, made jokes about being sponsored by Deez Nuts... dumb stuff, but it was basically death by a thousand cuts.
>Zaion has chronic depression, so all these minor fuck ups did a number on her, making her feel like she was a dumb retard and that she couldn't do anything right.
>Even so, so kept asking for permission to use her personal Genshin account. She really loves the game, so it was very important to her.
>She decided to ask for help to her coworkers, and they all talked together with her manager. It didn't work, japanese corpo autism is too strong.
>She made some friends among the niji talents, but also some enemies. For some reason she got on the bad side of Kyo, and probably on Enna's too.
>Feeling alone and pretty bad with herself, she tried to talk with one of the staff members. This person was the original manager who trained her before her debut, and they were friends. She just wanted a shoulder to cry on, but this staff member went as far as promising her that they would talk with their bosses, to see if they could help her out with the Genshin account issue.
>This backfired tremendously, and Zaion was stealth suspended just before new year. She was forced to tell her fans that she had to "suddenly go back home for christmas", so she couldn't spend the end of the year with them.
>After coming back from her stealth suspension, she played the new Chilia's Art game: The Karaoke. She was a dumb idiot and did a rape joke that immediately regretted, but it was too late, and she got an undefined suspension.
>Management locked her out of all her accounts, and told her to carefully think if she wanted to keep working there, and Zaion just didn't know what to do anymore.
>The twitter mob took the suspension as their chance to shit on Zaion for making fun of sexual abuse victims, and they ended up doxing her and harassing her.
>A few weeks later, Zaion's termination was officially announced. It was needlessly brutal, listing every single wrong thing she did, but being vague enough to not give any specific details about what she REALLY did (like, making fun of UNO).
>Fans were logically confused, and some of them asked the talents what the fuck was going on. Most of them ignored the comments, but Finana and Kotoka decided to talk about it, and they said Zaion was a difficult person and that they felt gaslighted by her.
>So, giving that the company went out of their way to shit on Zaion and that not even her own coworkers had nothing nice to say about her, the twitter mob felt reinvigorated to keep the doxing and harassment, going as far as even swating her.
>A few months later, Zaion finally decided to come out of her basement, tell her story, and get some closure. She has gone back to her previous identity and wants to keep streaming, so she wants to move on and forget about her time at NijiEN.
>(You) are here

I left some stuff out like Kyo being a little cunt and throwing her under the buss on his PL account, or Zaion's PL discord announcing that they were working on new merch before she got officially terminated, but that's pretty much it, I think?

>>48941060
> Kotoka
Why?
Didn't she throw Zaion under the bus during her response to the termination?
iirc what she said was bridge-burning tier shit, something like "I can never wish her luck for future endeavours" or something like that.

>>48947315
yaaas queen slaaaay! #cutforhex

>>49002433
/NijiEN/ is all fujo chinks posting about the fags, hardly any posts about the girls

>>49004750
>Zaion gets hired
>Butts heads with management over various issues that are nothingburgers in the US but big deals in Japan
>Suspended, management releases a vague statement about offensive comments she made
>Twitterfags dig up an edgy joke she made, then subject her to constant doxxing, harassment, and even swatting for a month straight
>Another liver on his PL account encourages the harassment
>Management does absolutely nothing to discourage it despite previously putting out a statement that they would protect their livers from this
>Zaion is like "fuck this I'm out"
>Termination noticed released with about a dozen reasons for her termination, many of them become questionable upon close inspection
>Harassment worsens
>Multiple livers add their statements some of which further inflame the community, which is now divided over who to trust
>2 months later just a few days ago Zaion's PL releases a twitlonger and a google document describing "Zaion's" experience and gives context to many of Anycolor's statements while also apologizing for some of her past actions
>Many of the already questionable reasons for her termination look outright ridiculous, including a fucking "Deez nuts" joke listed as an official reason
>She also described her experience in the company, which supported many /NijiEN/ rrats
>Dramafags latch on and publicize her document
>She does a stream last night where she answers some common questions and announces her plans to move on from it and return to streaming
>Some noteworthy things she said is she had a lawyer go through it, and she still has friends in NijiEN but she declined to say who out of concern they would face harassment
>She jokes that since she's been doxxed it would be nice if someone sends her cookies

>>49006841
didn't kyo get teased during an early collab by zaion and another niji? I remember people laughing at how mad he got

>>49007069
That is true, but the thing is she also did a stream talking about the good times she had with Zaion and how close she was with her.
That, and in the VOD where she was publicly forced to denounce Zaion, you can hear around 2:20-2:25 the Slack notification going off. Which activates my inner schizo to assume that the whole thing was coached or rehearsed with management. The other thing that adds to my schizo theory is that Zaion wouldn’t say if she was still on good terms with some talents there for fear of causing trouble for them.

>>49003404
That would be perfectly reasonable to assume if NijiEN didn’t show itself to have assholes both in front and behind the scenes. It’s impossible for Zaion to be significantly worse than either Enna or Kyo.

>>48938025
I have mostly limited my 'once in a while viewing (1-2 streams per month)' to 'ill stay subbed, but I won't care enough to watch'. Didn't care for zaion, but I rather not give views to a company this bad even if it costs me not watching people I liked.

>>48938025
> If you're angry and you know it, click Unsub!
UN-SUB!
> If you're angry and you know it, click Unsub!
UN-SUB!
> If you're angry and you know it
> And you really wanna show it
> If you're angry and you know it
> Click Unsub!

>>49007674
Yeah. I don't think it mattered much in the long term but it caught his petty nature perfectly. He likes to throw shit but he absolutely can't take it

>>49007370
>another liver says harassment is bad without even directly mentioning Zaion
>They suspend him for that
>Zaion is still friends with one or more people in Niji but they cant be openly friends because niji fans and even the livers would harass them for it
It's so comically bad, actual moustache twirling villains arent this scummy

>>49007960
> she also did a stream talking about the good times she had with Zaion and how close she was with her.
Rosemi T3 mengen I assume

>>49008376
Close, it was just a Kotoka member stream. I’m guessing you can talk about whatever since management doesn’t care to moderate any of those.

>>48938025
To be honest I watched Kotoka more than her, but the drama wore me out so much I basically dropped the branch besides the occasional Elira jrpg stream as background noise. I can't agree with how management behaves and it makes me sad to think they have to lie about vacations to fans when it could be management suspending them over some petty shit. Or the general incompetence you see a glimpse of, like with the concert cancellation after people worked hard and "covid"

>>49008469
> mengen
ah yes, totally happened then

>>48938025
I never watched her really, and I think it's hilarious that she instantly tanked her career like this.

>>48947315
This is the most sane person in the thread

>>49006841
the part where they told permissions would be on a per game basis and then immediately gave others the okay while telling her no made me laugh.

>>49005079
If you read that document and your conclusion was that that woman was evil, you should remove yourself from the gene pool immediately, you're unironically a waste of oxygen

>>49007210
Wait is this ANOTHER menhera hex fan?

>>49006841
Note that her indefinite suspension wasn't even caused by the Karaoke joke. That vod stayed up for a couple weeks after it began, while Twitter freaks started screeching about it from the get go

>>49009951
One of the other talents obviously complained directly to management about it. Black corpo full of rrats and snitches.

>>49007370
Arguably the most consequential deez nuts joke of the decade

>>49010122
>Deez nuts
>You're fired
top kek

>>49006841

>>49010401
>Hey staffsan did you get these perms today?
>These?
>These perms for https://youtu.be/5DADtXVTVV4?t=14
>You're fired

>>49011149
this is the rrat I'm going with now

I'm 100% sure that Kyo was at least partially responsible of her termination

>>49011363
He's in bed with a manager for sure
That pajeet poon too irresistible for that stupid wigger

>>48938025
Lol wut? Watch nijisanji?! Never did, just here to take in the drama

>>49007674
Which collab was that?

>>49010122
Is she now THE deez nuts vtuber?

>>48938025
I'll watch those who I already watch.
It's not fair to punish them for being tricked into joining a black company.
But I won't be watching anyone new who comes to them.

>>49011703
Golf with friends

Nijis are whores and their fans are rats, they should all go back.

>>48938025
I never even watched niji.

>>48988075

>>48991403
That makes little to not sense. There's members who are in nijisanji for 5-3 years. Zaion is only in debt because she wanted to make a huge debut, while 99% of the members in nijisanji just do a simple debut not expending much money on it

>>49008355
>>They suspend him for that
That's not a thing. Ren was active on twitter when he was on break, so that wasnt a suspension.

>>49012833
So was Zaion

>>48938025
never

>>48938025
sex

>>49012694
She did so because she thought Niji was a respectful company and wanted to represent it accordingly

>>49017217
*Respectable

>>49006841
so nothing would have happened if she wasn't so adamant about playing a shit chinese gacha game?

>>49018486
kek this

>>48938025
Was the last straw for me.
Unfollowed all and quit my memberships except Selen cause I feel certain she wants nothing to do with this shit.

>>49017217
It still doesn't change the fact that it was her idea and her own responsibility to spend the money, so it's not actually the company's fault for not reimbursing her.

>>49018486
When will you anons learn and understand? She is an official ambassador. She actually has to play.

>>49018953
>Livers don't deserve reimbursement for debut costs
>Everything they subsequently make deserves to be siphoned into Riku's yacht fund
Wake up nijisheep

>>49019097
then maybe don't become an ambassador for a shit chinese gacha game

>>49018953
Livers shouldn't have to fucking pay for their debuts in the first place, what's the point of joining a corporation when they are not going to back you up on the kind of things a large corporation with money could actually help with? It still fucking baffles me that Selen has to bankroll on her own every single event she plans.

>still trying to make a shit bait thread about Zaion
Hey at least change the name to sayu so that you can get some people to come to watch her, you know?

>>49020755
I'd say 41% yourself but niji would never let you have that much