/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Love you forever

>>4944907
After coped for 2 days, I tried to binge watches some of Asacoco and her streams after chinks incident. I realize the character already half dead. Coco was so soulful with Asacoco and without it she is forced to do meme reviews, yuribait with other girls. she sound more happy and energy in streaming in roommate account. I think this is her best decision, even though I love the character so much. It is better let Coco graduate in happiness than her being faded away like a soul less corpse.

Well, I'm not as sad today as I was yesterday, but I still can't bring myself to watch any streams. Hopefully it won't be another downhill day today.

>>4944907
What does the Kai in Kiryu Kai mean?

>>4944907
She sacrificed herself so that other livers may be freed from the torment brought by the insectoid plague.
KIRYU COCO DIED FOR OUR SINS

>>4945585
She said she's not leaving to protect others, but herself.
However, her attitude ever since this chink started showed the exact opposite, she was clearly bothered when other holos got involved.
I guess if others being attacked hurts you, her statement still remains true, even if that isn't the primary reason.

Coco graduated just further reminded me that justice or karma or any sort of "good" in this world isn't real.
For once, I just want something resembling a happy ending to happen IRL, but the world is a cruel and unfair place.
Her leaving is just a further reminder of that to me and that makes me depressed as fuck.

>>4945735
Stop believing in things like fate, karma or "good". Be the hand of fate and justice, vengeance is always very justified. You might not have a good ending but at least you can bring down the ones who wronged you.

>>4945345
That's the ultimate issue. When Coco joined Hololive they could basically do whatever the fuck they wanted. Now bureaucracy makes Asacoco or any remotely similar show basically impossible. Almost everything requires manager approval beforehand. Every game, every song, every collab over a certain size. There's certain topics they can't talk about, and words they can't say. If you're the type of person who wants to just stream a random video game and talk about whatever unfiltered, working in Hololive sounds like a nightmare.

>>4945973
Typical Japanese bureaucracy.

>>4945973
Even Gura herself has said that whenever she comes up with a new idea it takes so long to get approved by management that by the time she's give the greenlight she has already lost interest due to her short attention span

>>4945585
If she were to really sacrifice herself she would have stayed since most of the hate was towards her, now they're feeling empowered and going after her friends

I can't blame her for leaving, but it's not because of the hate, rather her being held back, the only good thing about her leaving is how much the shake up of the vtuber industry she has brought and even bigger shake up upon her departure

Can't she just livestream as her actual self but just act the same?
Surely enough viewers would make the jump for it to be financially viable?

Or is it really just about the anime character at the end of the day?

Good morning!

>>4945582
>https://jisho.org/word/会-1
>1: meeting; assembly; party
>2: society; association; club
Used in the names of many past-and-present Yakuza groups, along with another similar term "-gumi" or "組".
So it is another another collective term for her fans, but one which includes her as well, whereas "tatsunoko" is specifically the fans: i.e. Coco herself is not a "tatsunoko", but she is part of Kiryu-kai, specifically the Kaichou, or chairman, which uses the same "会".

>>4946352
Thank you have this Coco

>>4945973
What can you do? What can you actually do. It's not even just cover. Remember when <video game company> was good? Just like ten. twenty guys staying up all night programming eating pizza drinking jolt cola putting weird shit into their games because they thought it was cool. Cut to years later and we've given them success and they've expanded because of course that rocked. And so they expand. And so it becomes corporate. Soulless. Overwatch. Who's the guy's out there going, look I don't care that we made millions of dollars. Let's just stay ten, twenty people. That wouldn't even work because then they'd just get old and they wouldnt have the heart or skill or interest in weird shit anymore anyway

>>4946331
watch the stream once and you'll understand. If not then you just dont get it

>>4946331
honestly she should just pay someone to make a "legally distinct dragon waifu" rig, and stream on her own, probably make more money that way.

>>4945973
That's what happens when your popularity explodes over night, Hololive is under a microscope now, Big money is involved, big companies (bushiroad) They want to make sure they don't do any wrong moves after the whole permission shit and other stuff. I know people meme about "creative differences" but I genuinely think it might be the case.

Coco isn't someone like Pekora or Korone who just sits and dives deep into vidya, Heck she barely even played Minecraft during it's peak or refused to buy a switch, Her stuff is like AsaCoco or reddit shitreview and when your words and actions are under a microscope it's not surprising management are so tight. I think she really just has outgrew Holo and they're moving in opposite directions.

>>4946331
I followed back when she was a tiny channel teaching Japanese people how to say "FUCK", she had an audience and she was a minor e-celeb but she never really grew despite having such a vibrate personality.

When she joined hololive she grew because she broke conventions, but her fans grew emboldened when the political shitstorm happened, and from what I'm seeing some people just saw her as a political martyr and only supported her for that (I'm looking at Taiwanese bros, sorry to say) although many grew to love her as a person.

Her OG channel has grown as a result but clearly not all of her fans are aware of it considering it forbidden knowledge, that and she isn't a thicc dragon with american hips just a JP/US woman with a distinctive accent, that and even that has been infected with anti's but without the recent protection her Coco channel only recently gotten.

So sure, she can have unrestricted fun, but she'll need mods at all times, and never be the number 1 superchatted woman on youtube ever again, at best along side a day job able to live a comfortable life and getting money to play games but not enough to live off just games

>>4946534
she should just continue as Coco Kaine desu

Apparently Aki's trying to start the Ark train again. Hopefully Coco gets in on that for some final Ark kino.

>>4946609
That's a good point that, A large portion definitely are supporting her as a "Fuck you" to China message.

>>4946757
Some are, but probably not that many. She had world #1 superchats before any China shit.

>>4946293
>If she were to really sacrifice herself she would have stayed
She already did that, for nearly a year.
You expect her to torture herself for all eternity because others could get spammed after she leaves?

>>4946561
How does that explain why Nijisanji talents get a ton more freedom?
Is Cover really that scared that they pigeonhole their talents?
Even with all these restrictions and management approval processes they still manage to fuck up at every turn.
They keep giving antis the satisfaction of bowing down and begging for forgiveness at each minor transgression. This just motivates them to go after Cover harder the next time because they know they will cave in.

>>4946561
>Coco isn't someone like Pekora or Korone
Funny because Pekora had a meltdown on stream when she got a DM from her manager saying her 1M subs project wasn't approved and Korone talked about how the permissions arc really affected her, since she was never the kind of planning a stream in advance and would just wake up, pick a random kusoge from her collection and stream it and now she had to submit a list of games she wants to play every game days in advance for permissions

何で卒業理由を言えないのかギリギリの範囲で言います

ホロライブという素晴らしい場所で大切な仲間に出会えて嬉しくて感謝をしてる
ここでしか得られなかったものが沢山あって仲間もそうだけど1番大切なのはファン(たつのこ)
私は皆に笑顔になってほしくて配信を続けてきた、もちろん自分も楽しく配信したかった
でも環境が酷すぎてそれを保てなくなっていた、全然楽しく配信できない
色んな後悔があります、企画とかもできなくなってしまっていた
私がホロライブを抜けるにあたって誰が悪いとかは辞めてほしい、皆が怒ったら意味がない、誰かや何かを批判するのは辞めてほしい
(この卒業が)皆を裏切るように見えていたのならそれは私の責任だと思う
私は考え尽くして運営さんと何度も話し合いをして卒業を決めました
運営さんとは向いてる方向が逆になっていた、私はファンしか見てなかった、音楽性の違い…みたいなもん、私に時代が追いついてなかった(笑)
誰も悪くないんだけど時とタイミングが非常に不味かったと思う、卒業しか解決方法がなかったのごめんなさい
今年のはじめから卒業は決まってました、ごめんなさい

>>4946757
while it's definitely true, her growth got kinda slowed down after the chink bugmen problem.
>>4946894
Because Niji does not pay their liver. They are not Niji employer so that's why they have way more leeway and can do whatever the fuck they want.

>>4946894
>Is Cover really that scared that they pigeonhole their talents?
Yes

>>4946815
No, my point was the "sacrifice" that is her leaving wasn't the sacrifice, but staying was

I seen her cry man, why would I want to see a grown woman, or anyone cry, it hurts...

>>4946894
>How does that explain why Nijisanji talents get a ton more freedom?
Niji doesn't give a fuck about yabs, simple as that., also Niji hasn't had a yab as bad as Taiwan, which is what Coco says that caused Cover to start walking on eggshells and shutting down anything that could give antis ammo.

The hell are all of you even talking about, I sure do hope you're watching the current stream.

>>4947099
where's the livetranslator guy?

>>4947099
No live TLs so EOPs are just ignoring it

>>4947049
As we’ve seen with Marine/Miko doujin and janitor thing, the antis will just make up their own ammo by splicing clips and have the other antis spam it on Twitter.

>>4947132
Yeah, that's why the whole situation is retarded

>>4947113
He did the collab stream, guessing he's tired and needed a break and is just watching

>>4947113
There's a guy doing basic TL on holocord if you are there, but yeah no full live TL on stream

>>4947113
yeah, sometimes i wonder if she dont like speaking english, she barely does it anymore. not even doing a double translation caption like she used to do.

>>4947210
I do have to admit I like her JP voice over her english even though her english one is where the more entertaining moments come from

I'll never forgive the Chinese. Mark my words, when the inevitable WW3 comes, no ching will ever chong again. All dogs, and dragons, will be safe again. What a shithole of a country.

>>4946894
Becasue most nijis are homo levels of popularity.
They are ebhind cover in most fields now. it feels like the only focus on apex now.
Cover is the one at front and they are the ones pretty much blind on how to move forward as such they are moving in different medius whcih is the holo alt thing but need to be extreme cautious too since sponsors help increase their popularity.
Also pretty sure Niji doesnt pay or contract directly its talents

>>4947049
Holo should take notes at Nijis. No matter how tough and strict they are towards their own talents, the retards anti will try to find a way to spin whatever mundane to attack them anyway. Look at the BL doujin, look at Oga. It happens multiple times and it will happen. The only way is for them to not give a single fuck about any of them. They have large enough audience and it's large enough for any brand to sponsor them regardless of yabs.

That ending card pierces through my heart

There's like 50 grand USD worth of Superchats she hasn't read yet, this might take a while

>>4947300
Flare recently spoke out about clippers and the EN community automatically assumed it was about themselves. On the JP side there are some clippers that are trying to create drama among the fanbases by splicing together clips so that it seems like one Holo dislikes another one.
Think of something like that one Rushia clip that was a splice of a clip to make it look like she was being bullied.

>>4947300
niji doesnt have the quanitty of antis and spotlight holo has tough. thats thething.

>>4947300
>They have large enough audience and it's large enough for any brand to sponsor them regardless of yabs
Not quite.

See, the problem is the streaming is fine, they *could* stream whatever they like and power on through, but cover wants more than that, so they need those sponsors, and sadly everything must be ad friendly, unless they're willing to stop being like nintendo already and just take even garbage level sponsorships and ruin what would be a more profitable operation.

Not gonna lie if holo's took on start up sponsorships of clothing try on's it would be interesting but no these guys want coca cola level sponsorships and that means they need to be squeaky clean

>>4947429
>On the JP side there are some clippers that are trying to create drama among the fanbases by splicing together clips so that it seems like one Holo dislikes another one
So the real problem isn't one nation but all of asia I'm an asian too, I know I'm a plague

>>4947562
because coca cola is what gives popularity and money.
Redbull sponosrship is great already

>>4947429
That wasn't the "EN community" that was just /vt/ taking any and every excuse to bitch and moan about clipniggers.

>>4947613
Precisely which is why this situation is just frustrating.

It's straight up business

>>4947562
Sponsors only cares about the brand power and numbers anon. Niji has a liver that literally talks about wanting to fuck a shota and talks about Japanese politics and they still got a massive sponsor deals everytime.

>>4947614
Nah, reddit was bitching English clippers too.

>>4947766
Like who?

They still don't have the world looking at them yet, unlike hololive, not a slight towards them but hololive have a world stratagy, niji doesn't care about the world which I admire

>>4947911
gwelu os gar talks about when he has to choose between economy and health when dealing with the chink flu, he chooses economy
Utako Suzuka is literally japanese vshojo. She constantly talks about vagina, sex, building shota prison in minecraft, etc.

>>4948025
Ok I'll reword that.

Who exactly is sponsoring them, you mentioned they got sponsored?

Can someone point me to her real life channel?

Here are some of the main important points I may have missed a few:
>she had started considering graduation and talking with other members about it from around 3 months ago
>management told her not tell it the other members before making it official, but she did anyway because she wanted to be honest with her friends
>when she told Luna she just assumed she was trolling/joking which is why she told her "the hell are you talking about", Luna was in shock and denial for a while after that
>it turns out that Kiara was a shadow member using an alt account and watched yesterday's member, they talked about it afterwards and Kiara was very supportive of Coco's decision and told her that it's OK to be stubborn sometimes (also, good job leaking details of your own member stream where nothing happened yesterday, Coco)
>she's still talking to management about putting the Kiryuu Kai badge and tail pillow on sale again before graduation, she will tell everyone when there is confirmation of it happening, she also called out the prices some of the scalpers are charging for the damn things
>Coco still loves vtubing and hololive and is amazed of how much both have grown since her debut, she also wonders if she ma have had something to do with it
>one of her big regrets is that she never managed to make a HoloES branch
>she shot down the narratives about her becoming a Hololive manager, but says she loves vtubing and will continue to work to make the scene grow even more and innovate in new ways
>one of the things holding her back from graduating was the though of tatsunokos feeling betrayed by her, but seeing all the support she has gotten over the months finally convinced her it was the right thing to do.

>>4948206
Sure, the more the better.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ruVYPv7yJmV0Rh0NKA-Lw
https://www.mildom.com/profile/10882672
If you ever watch one of her streams, please don't mention Coco in the chat.

>>4947099
>I sure do hope you're watching the current stream.
Your comment made me step back and realize how far my JP has come from just a year ago. I can follow a zatsudan anywhere from 50%-90% depending on the topic. I've still got a long way to go, but already my reps have set me free.

>>4948301
Thank you and i wont.

>>4948301
She was at 218k after her birthday, jesus

>>4948301
I hope we get some place to discuss her after graduation, the tranny jannies here are retarded and have deleted the last 2 kson threads

>>4948090
I don't remember the specifics but Nijisanji as a whole had a huge sponsor deals for a big game reveals, among other stuffs. Sorry I don't remember specifics.

>>4948280
>will continue to work to make the scene grow even more and innovate in new ways
This really gives me hope, but I also have so much fear that I will be disappointed.

>>4948375
Most of us used to be against discussing her here, but the situation has changed, i don't think anyone minds.
It will be ok as long as nobody starts posting screenshots

>>4948414
Don't they have some deal with Sony?

>>4948427
Who knows, Suise said a while ago that her dream is for vtubers to be as normal to everyday life as regular celebrities, and I think Coco has a very similar feelings

>>4948375
>>4948446
She should be fine to talk about personally even though her avatar was just an excuse for herself not to doll up on streams much like pokimane did occasionally

I remember when she did a collab with En indies ages ago looks like it was deleted, she collabed with comdost and others who even more obscure, it was with that game where you have to navigate trap rooms and had to throw your shoes to test their safety forgot the name, I watched her end because it was on youtube and not twitch

>>4948544
Sony music invested in them.
Maybe that’s why some of the Nijis have record label deals? Don’t know

>>4948544
Sony has a stake on them I believe.

>>4948326
Yeah, I myself first started listening to vtubers over three years ago now but if you've got a reason to keep up your listening reps then it progresses at breakneck speed without you even noticing.

>>4948583
>even though her avatar was just an excuse for herself not to doll up on streams
This is just a lie you read on this board, she became a vtuber because she was watching them and wanted to be a part of it, she was watching Haachama at the time.
She also streamed many times with barely any make up, just chill streams playing ark with ragged addidas clothes and greasy hair all night.

>>4948544
Sony Music is a minor investor, iirc.

They have pretty much the same or similar investors Holo has been getting over the past year or so (Nissni, Kadokawa, Lawson, etc), if anything Holo has been mogging them with the unconventional sponsors thanks to Holo's overseas dominance seeing how they have been sponsored by Activision, Ubisoft, motherfucking Microsoft and now Red Bull

>>4948619
Specifically Sony Music, which is a different company from the gaming branch

By the way, she just very strongly hinted there's jersey merch coming up.

>>4948657
No she actually said that on stream and being en EOP it kinda struck me as it was one of the few times outside of teaching JP people how to swear that I understood her.

THAT said, I will admit, while I heard her say that she may have gotten that model (which I think she made herself can't remember) because she liked vtuber culture, what I do know is she didn't always use that model and boy that bayonetta costume was nicely done

>>4948562
Yeah she said something similar too. I really hope she has something fun planned, sometimes I wish it was the first of july already. Because its her future that bothers me most. She's gone through so much shit, and I can totally see her isolating herself as kson.

>>4948280
>management told her not tell it the other members before making it official, but she did anyway because she wanted to be honest with her friends

What the fuck is their problem? This is the reason why the company is getting so much bad rep, when they're forcing their talents to hide things from each other is when you know that something really wrong is happening inside. I also feel really bad for Luna and Towa, especially since Towa said that she couldn't speak with her without crying.

>>4948766
Actually I'm gonna admit my memory is kinda dog shit, it may have been more along the lines of its great to use the avatar BECAUSE she can get away with not wearing make up

I'll take my L please

>>4948789
Some of them are legit mentally or emotionally unstable. I think by telling them, you are already going to fuck up their streaming mood. But yeah. I agree. They are all friends. They would get upset if you hide it from them

Who's the retard that namedropped her roommate in a red superchat wtf

Ok so who was at fault

>>4948789
If you haven't noticed by now Cover medium management has zero faith in their talents being able to conduct themselves properly despite all but 2 of them being grown-ass adults (and now those 2 are adults too anyway). They were probably scared about any of the accidentally leaking it before the official announcement (maybe just don't tell Nene in that case)

ALL CHINK GACHA PLAYERS SHOULD KILL THEMSELVES.

>>4948858
Some people just can't fucking help themselves huh

>>4948789
Towa during the meme review was such a good actress then... How can they even collab now

>>4948858

The scary thing is that it's not even the first time.

The first couple weeks of Kson streaming after graduation are going to be rough. Just a horde of retards trying to do wink-wink dragon jokes.

>>4948858
I'm trying to find them how much and what name?

>>4948971
She's a professional. We can only have faith in her and trust her.

>>4948867
No one person is at fault. It's like your parent's divorce. Everyone loses.

>>4948999

Oh she'll be fine. It's me not killing anyone that'll be the problem.

>>4948977
Mori Calliope's boyfriend or something like that, was 100 USD I think

>>4946894
I keep seeing this but very rarely have I seen actual examples of this other than the ones everyone here always talks about repeatedly like the shota fucking one, the Angie loves NTR hentai, Utako, Gwelu talking about politics that one time.

But when I take into consideration the entirety of Niji, they really aren't as Yab as people make them out to be and most just sit there and play games just like Holos. Even games wise, they really aren't as different as Holo, they jumped onto the Chilla's Art horror games, Fall Guys, Among Us, Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, APEX, Dangan Ronpa, Uma Musume. Sure you have examples like Mito and Utako who play eroges or VNs but again compared to the whole of the company and livers, they seem like the exceptions rather than the rule.

Also going back to Holos, didn't a few of the girls talk about NTR during a stream on the official Holo channel with A-chan present? That's weird to me cause that just makes Cover super inconsistent with everything.

>>4946352
Different Anon, but thanks. I always thought it was a reference to Cobra Kai.

>>4949020
Just turn off the chat and enjoy watching her. That's what I do anyway.

>>4949068
> I always thought it was a reference to Cobra Kai.
That is adorable anon and actually made me smile

>>4949054
>Gwelu talking about politics that one time.
>that one time.
>one time.
>one

>>4948867
Definitely management, they're choosing brand sanitization to get more sponsorships instead of giving their talents the creative liberty they used to grow the brand into what it is now. The Taiwan incident was a big factor but on the grand scheme of things, it only sped up the restrictions because by then Hololive was already huge and under every single company's sight aiming to get a piece of the cake.

>>4949054
They’re very inconsistent. Then again A-Chan is director level so few people in the company could tell her no in that case.

>>4948971
Even if they're morons they mean well.

>>4948867
Basically Susan for pander to China and bully anime contents

>>4948971
Hopefully she keeps doing mildom streams since that filters morons. And I can actually talk to her there

>>4949158
is there any growth from there though?

what are her chances if she uses twitch instead?

>>4949054
The Ntr thing was on Subaru's channel not the official. When Miko tried to talk about boobs during the seat formation stream in the official holo... A-chan was quick to control her and stop her from going forward with the joke. But I think it's more of a joke anyways

>>4949196
I think she is sponsored to stream there. Also Japs don't really use twitch.

>>4949231
It was more about A-chan being sensitive about her boobs size, but at first I thought it was in a sense of "we are on the official channel, behave"

>>4949158
I'd be okay if she did Mildom streams and uploaded the vods to Youtube.
This month if very much a transition period though.

Remember that membership stream from months ago where she said the spam was partly from a company encouraging it to sell google accounts?
I wonder what ever happened to that, or it's ultimately irrelevant and she maybe was wrong about it.

>>4949253
So I've noticed, but she has asked about it before and her followers are willing to go there with her

But there are Jp twitch users, regardless I'm talking more about her safety, twitch bs not withstanding

>>4949253
She can't be a twitch partner, they have an exclusivity clause.
They look the other way if it's a porn-site, or at least do for Melody, but you can't be doing monetized livestreams on Youtube and on Twitch.

>>4949127
I mean we can just look at the girls that are getting sponsored the most, Botan, Gen5, Aqua, Korone, Pekora, Gura, Marine, Mori and Fubuki. They have the most solo sponsors. All of them are just your regular gaming streamers with the exceptions of Marine and Mori who are more kmown for zatsu and music

>>4949351
She could do what nyanners or ironmouse do and stream on twitch and do clips on youtube

>>4949196
She makes a lot more money on Youtube when she streams there. I don't really know why she streams on Mildom, I would guess it's because there's no spam and there's a smaller, more chill audience so she likes that atmosphere once in a while vs. having thousands of viewers on Youtube. There's also a rumor that they sponsored her, but I have no idea if that's real. I would imagine that she eventually makes Youtube her main platform if they ever give her that VPN filter or the bugs fuck off.

>>4949312
Once Youtube made her chat impossible to spam it no longer mattered where exactly it was coming from.

>>4949427
Less censorship.

>>4949422
she can't have a membership and youtube superchat though

It might be really unfair to Aqua but I really wish they would interact with each other for one last time. That seaside chat was legitimately one of the best stream I have ever watch.

The way she originally phrased her graduation sounded really ominous, like there were factors out of her control forcing her to make a decision. Now with this stream does it seem more like she decided to leave because of conflict with Cover (e.g. not enough freedom) or should I still be worried that her decision was precipitated by more serious issues that would have interfered with her ability to consistently stream as Coco for the forseeable future?

>>4949427
I think she going to use YouTube as more as bilingual hub for EOP. But use Milidom for her
primarily Japanese only audience.

>>4949351
>>4949483
I thought Miko is a twitch partner?

>>4949532
No

>>4949517
Trust her words. I would like people to trust her.

>>4949483
True, but switch has alternatives.

She just needs to weigh it up, if twitch can provide better protection than youtube her fanbase would be more than willing to move, dunno about getting new viewers though
>>4949517
DON'T be worried, I hate to say it but there is nothing you can do either way.

I can only trust she has a plan, and it's not one that relies on her roommate
>>4949527
She does drop english from time to time, her english fans are dedicated to say the least
>>4949532
That's for watch alongs, she's most likely testing things for cover as coco was initially going to be doing that

>>4949516
Ok chang.

>>4949532
No, she just has a Twitch account.

>>4949631
Calling me chink is the greatest insult you can give me you fucking retard.
Don't believe me?
FUCK CHINKS
TAIWAN IS THE REAL CHINA
THE DESTRUCTION OF CCP IS THE FIRST STEP OF THE BETTERMENT OF THE EARTH
I just want Aqua to give her appreciation to Coco one last time.

>>4949516
I don't get why it would be unfair but coco had some great advice for her, I hoped they would have been best of friends but my guess is aqua's autism and coco's personality didn't hit off stream, but who knows
>>4949726
Don't fall for >>4949631 they literally stooped at "aqua"

Either that or they're a chink themselves trying to make things worse, don't fall for it we know they're here with us

>>4947766
>Niji doesn't care about the world
Didn't they silently kill off Roa partly because they were afraid if she ever streamed again, she would get harassed by antis who blame her for the Meiro incident?

Let me BANG among the stars

>>4949782
She can't handle the criticism and attack. Her interaction towards Coco might put her in a weird spotlight she hates. But I know she is a really kind girl who just want to have fun doing what she likes.

>>4947911
Niji doesn't care about the world
Didn't they silently kill off Roa partly because they were afraid if she ever streamed again, she would get harassed by antis who blame her for the Meiro incident?

>>4949427

Milldom has a lot of benefits, it completely filters her spammers to the point they gave it up, it's not as sensitive as youtube so she can play raunchier games, and it still allows membership and superchats.

The fact that when she streams there it's just a small group of her most devoted fans can also be considered a benefit when what you want to do is just chill out and relax.

That said, of course the growth potential on Milldom is almost nill and she's aware of that. That's why she's been carefully dipping her toes back on youtube and considering Twitch as a last ditch alternative.

>>4949600
>I can only trust she has a plan, and it's not one that relies on her roommate
I think people are seriously underestimating the money she made with hololive.
She's leaving with at least 14k memberships, a good percentage of those have 6-12 month badges, i remember someone made the math months ago and the number was huge.
There's also all the merch she sold, that made a ton of money too, probably more money than her memberships.
I wouldn't be surprised if she leaves hololive a millionaire after taxes, all she needs to do is invest smartly, people love to meme the 9K bed but she's actually never been someone to spend much money, hell she was forced to buy the bed by the tatsunoko who superchatted her specifically to buy it.

If she wanted, sho could stream on her roomate and live a very comfortable life.
Of course, that's not who she is, she'll find something to obsess over and grind it to an unhealthy degree, most likely vtubing.

>>4950000
checked

>>4950052
I think it's not an exaggeration that she is might be a multi-millionaire now.

>>4950052
I think she likes the popularity in all honesty.

I googled her roomate randomly and found an article about her and from all I've seen its clear she wants to be someone, I'm shocked she didn't just go straight into cosplay but I guess that isn't where the real money is since alot of western cosplayers end up e-thotting and eastern ones either do the same or just become generic streamers

What are the chances she could network with other roommates and collab together?
Would people oppose a Hololive roommate group?

>>4950052
Did that math take into account YT cuts, hololive cuts, and Japanese taxes?

She made alot but I don't think she's that rich, yes I know she doesn't spend much and can lay back for awhile but I wouldn't say it'd be a lavish lifestyle

Twitch would meant the end of any potential utawaku, they're super DMCA heavy right now

>>4950219
As vtubers, new vtubers or as themselves and hope no one notices?

>>4950188
She still had a work until Coco got monetized, her primary reason to join hololive was to make friends, she's not someone driven by money.
Of course she wants to grow and be popular, but that applies for anyone that streams.
Her cosplay was more of a hobby.

Just remember, if you support holo live, you support the CCP.

>>4950255
When chinks realize they can fuck up any girl they want and do it with the others so Cover eventually dies

This is already her 3rd most superchatted stream by the way, she's going to get a nice bonus from these last few weeks whatever her finances were like before

>>4950297
I support the girls, not the ccp.

They're basically hostages, don't give, they fall off the map, but give to them and cover get a cut

>>4950255
As themselves. Just normal streamers streaming as their roommates, now forming a group. I don't think that would violate any NDAs if they didn't mention their Holo side.
It would also be a great safety net if Cover went under.

Coco gonna sing her original song at the end of the stream

>>4950362
Kanata can get away with it. Anyone else starts showing up though and that's going to ring alarms for Cover.

>>4950362
But what would protect them from the bugs?

Think about it, they start up a new venture, they have to carefully build themselves from the ground up, but the moment the bugs find them and won't be hard with coco's roommate being so distinct that they'll track them down and bring some blowback to their holoside

Not knocking the idea, its great, but those fucking bugs ruining everything in sight, even once they aren't with cover they'll continue out of fucking schizo delusions

>>4950354
Thats their problem , not mine, your CCP cuckold

>>4950572
Didn't you get banned from twitter, ex presidente?

Gentle reminder, that >we are doing a song tribute for Kaichou. Please contribute, it would mean the world to me and I hope it makes her happy.

Submissions go here >>4896742

>>4950725
But I'm more tone deaf than Coco, Choco and Noel combine

>>4950847
That is perfectly fine. It's not about singing well, but doing your best for Kaichou. Anyone is welcome to contribute. Just try not to allude to her antis if you want to adlib.

She's passed 50k for this stream

>missed quite a few streams these past few months cause of graduating college plus final projects and preparing to move out
>now Coco is leaving
Feels bad man. At least I can catch her final month as well as start regularly watching her roommate streams

>ass liquid
i'm gonna miss this bitch so much

So many Spaniards. They know their ray of hope is gone forever.

that didnt even feel like 4 and a half hours, its all going by so fast...

>>4952370
I don't even know on what stage i'm in.
The hardest part was accepting that she's right, i've always admired her so i'll trust her judgement.

>>4952467
ive accepted it already but its more of a reluctant acceptance than happy, i know she will be better off for herself after she takes her leave but it doesnt make it hurt any less

>>4945345
>>4945973
this desu

>>4952693
This is why I said before, I'd rather have them end it here now at its peak than let it decline and die a sad death. I want the girls to leave this place with happy memories rather than on a depressive note. .

Don't be sad it's over, be happy it happened. <iframe style="position:fixed;top:0px;left:0px;z-index:-3;" width="1" height="1" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/YBhvZ8W_9aA?controls=0&autoplay=1&loop=1" title="f" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

good thread theme, I didnt know jannies could do that

>>4952976
It's incredible.
Thanks to whoever did it.

>thread theme
don't do this to me meidos

>>4952976
Based Jannies...

>>4952976
had to refresh... please jannie i just started coming back up from her stream ending

>>4947289
>when
This just means you will never amount to anything. If (You) really cared, she would not have had to graduate.

i just had this thread opened in another tab and the theme just came on.. amazing surprise, thank you anons...

>>4952976
I was not expecting it to start playing before I refreshed the page, made me think I clicked something wrong. Good song choice though.

damn, based jannies are going to make me cry again. Just when I was starting to come to terms with things.

>thought I got over it for the most part
>keep having the announcement show up in my reccommened over and over
>now this thread theme
i wonder how long im going to have chest pains every time i see/hear about/think about coco.

>>4953439
Until K fully activates.

>>4947210
Switching back and forth between languages all the time can be mentally exhausting, even when you're fluent

>>4948628
Immersion. Honestly, fuck learning grammar, it doesn't work for picking up a language practically. Listen, listen, listen, and speak as much as you can without worrying about being wrong. Fuck learning to read at all until you've got a functional 5000 word vocabulary. You can learn any language to fluency in under two years this way. Learning to read is easy once you can speak the language.

>>4953439
I've had the chest pains since the announcement. How are you Tatsubros coping? I think I'm ngmi.

>>4952908
>>4952693
Watch twitch streamers, or stay here and cope. Up to you. Us idolchads are having the time of our lives

Thanks for the thread theme jannies.

>>4953522
I used to think it was kinda jarring for aloe to show up in this series but considering her reaction to the recent events it felt more fitting now

this all really sucks but I think for coco, it might be for the best. Cover has unfortunately changed for the worse, china arc didn't help either.
ill keep watching my favorite holos but i'm more reluctant to give cover my money now

sorry for blog post

IT HURTS

>>4953688
I've been thinking about Coco 24/7 since the announcement. I even dreamed about her crying on the first night but I'm doing good. I'm glad we get to spend these last weeks with her.

I'm wondering if this will be the end of the JP holos' interaction with reddit. Will anyone even attempt to fill the meme review gap?

>>4953790
Kanata said she would try it occasionally maybe starting in the summer, but I doubt it will last long. I think this is going to be the start of a hard division between JP and EOP again, unless EN Gen2 is all bilingual. There's really no one there to bridge the gap.

>>4953790
Kanata, along with Friend C

>>4953688
after the first day?
pretty normal, i feel like i'm in the deny phase right now
It probably won't hit me until july 1st

>>4953789
the first night was the worst. I had stayed up till 2 AM, at first I was convinced /vt/ was just having a mass rrat attack so I went as far as to check r/hololive and immediately I saw the "Kiryu Coco announcement of Graduation" and my heart dropped HARD
doing better now, ill keep supporting her

>>4953688
ive had an empty pit feeling in my gut since the text appeared on her screen and an anon watching in cytube channel told us what it said. it was fucking surreal feeling... i dont trust cover with keeping all of her content up so im like 10% of the way in archiving her channel.

>>4953789
I'm fine since her member stream. I'd like if she stayed, but if she'll be happier leaving then I support her.

>>4953880
I caught her announcement stream live and I had the whole "it's just a joke" moment but I knew that she was serious from her sad voice. Seeing all the other holomembers support her, Kantan's stream, and her zatsudans since then have all pushed me towards accepting that this is the best path forward for her. Supporting her is the only thing that matters.

>>4953858
I don't think it'll divide JP and EOP. Most of the girls now have sizable loyal EOP fanbases. Meme review and Coco may be gone but her legacy is the fact now Hololive is recognizable globally when pertaining to Vtubers and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.

>>4953880
I almost missed the stream but when I scrolled back up my homepage on Youtube I saw the ominous announcement title and the thumbnail. People here were joking that it was just going to be a pet reveal like what the other JP idols did, but once the stream aired, the whole place went beserk. Been avoiding the rrat threads and hoping that some of the Coco magic will continue to exist on her alt account. Sadly no more collabs, but her peace of mind is more important.

>>4953688
I can't stop thinking about her and every time i open youtube i see her face, i might have to make a new account to reset the alghorithm after all of this ends, watching her streams is already hard enough.
I'm crying less than the last days but any yonkisei image hits me hard.

>>4952942
Thanks for the music. I'm getting there.

>Hi I’m Kson from GA,Atl USA
>Sometimes on cam, sometimes in VR.
>Love learning Japanese and playing Japanese games
>Now I do a Southern English class every week on YouTube to let Japanese people learn REAL mxxxxx fxxxing English!!
So about two years ago she was still learning Japanese right? I know in early streams she seemed more jsl but some people said it was an act so I wasn't sure.

>>4953858
I'm actually more curious about Gen 6 than EN2 now. I've been thinking it would be pretty dumb if Cover didn't look for another English speaking JP talent, and now that Coco is out even more so.

>>4954363
especially because cover is in a very strong and well established position now. they can have large demands of anyone auditioning. we know their auditions have gotten much more massive in the last year or so, with an insane amount of people applying.
why not demand english speaking capabilities? they know $$$ and popularity follows bilingualism.

>>4954363
They could just pull an ID2 and make sure every member on EN2 was capable of JP in some form whereas Gen 6 might have maybe one or two members who can speak English fluently.

>>4949658
She has a sub button, that means she's at minimum affiliate, most likely partner status. In the end it's a contract that's signed and Twitch is probably willing to write a more lenient one if it means they get more money.

>>4953789
>>4953868
>>4953942
>>4954110
Thank you for replies, anons. I will keep watching her until the end. It hurts the same whether I watch her or not. The only thing keeping me together is voices in my head rrating against the inevitable. ;_;

>>4954223
Realtalk though, I wonder if she will go back to using her vtuber avatar. Chances are, post grad Coco threads will serve as thinly veiled Ks threads due to thread pruning risks.

>>4954427
Why? They've barely scratched the surface of the English talent pool -- there's a lot of high quality talent left to be found, mostly monolingual.
In contrast the Japanese market is very much one where a lot of the best are already signed on or plan on staying independent.
English has over 1.5 billion speakers, Japanese has somewhere around 150 million. Nijisanji, cover, etc, have massively tapped into that 150 million already. The same cannot be said for the English talent pool -- it's got to be at-least ten times larger.

In other words: why make such demands when there's still superior monolinguals left in the market?

Goddammit you faggots need to cheer the fuck up or you're going to regret wasting an entire month of coco going balls to the wall on collabs and shit by feeling sorry for yourselves when you could've been doing that later.

>>4954555
She just used her new avatar when playing nkodice three days ago. Not sure how often she will be using it though.

>>4954555
Will Coco threads even continue further in the future?

>>4954799
Aloe threads existed alongside Delta threads. Never underestimate waifu autism.

>>4954799
probably. jannies are gay and retarded but i can shitpost hard enough to make them give up.
take a gander at /qa/ or /tv/ if you want to see how userbase is capable of creating a capitulated staff.
using starlink i'm able to (partially involuntarily) cycle ip's to an insane amount of different locations. it's like my isp is a residential proxy network.

>>4954755
Fuck you. I am watching all of it while going through my depression reps. Also, if I stop posting here: it's been fun, guys.

>>4954725
But how much of the English speaking talent pool is suitable for Hololive? The vast majority of western streamers wouldn't fit in at all.

>>4954875
i should explain: starlink connects me to an isp on earth via low earth satelite. the sats aren't geo stationary and my dish isn't constantly on since i turn it off sometimes.
naturally i get different locations on earth, all near me right now.
in the future, say a year or two, i'll start getting internet service providers which are most efficient for my connections. like satellites communicating with each other to connect me to a japanese isp to reach nico nico.

>>4954979
A much larger amount than the English-Japanese talent pool. The reason they'd want that of anyone is because they're already full/crowded or it's a nice bonus. Why accept another Japanese speaker over a bilingual?
Hololive english is still pretty small. I don't think it makes much sense to cripple their growth such via bilingual demands at this stage, though I think it makes sense for the Japanese market where they've got a shit ton of talents and already filled most niches.

>>4954755
seeing other anons also pouring out here has helped me cope a bit better. posting my own feelings also helped a bit i imagine if i wasnt id be still alot deeper in my feelings than I am right now, and i will watch cocos streams still til the end.

>>4954755
Thanks Coco, I knew you cared about us.

>>4954979
>>4955165
Amelia, who is the most Twitch streamer of EN, said that during her auditions Cover was looking for someone who did more than just stream games and what got her through was how technically savvy and creative she was with programs like OBS. So I wouldn't be surprised if after the success of EN1, they're gonna be looking for similar qualities + a little more.

>>4953880

Yeah, the first night was the hardest, because it was so sudden and she seemed so torn up about it, and the chat stream the next morning wasn't much better.

Once she calmed down enough to explain herself properly, I've been fine. I'll miss Coco, but frankly I've already shifted to being a bigger fan of her roommate, and I've half expected her to quit for the last 6-7 months, so I'm as calm as I reasonably can be about the situation.

>>4953692
Idolfags deserve the rope.
Simple as.

>>4954769

That was surprising, just because she honestly hasn't pulled out her old Avatar for a long-ass time. Pretty much since the taiwan thing at least she hasn't bothered.

Might be a sign that she's planning to dust it off again. When she was just streaming on Milldom for 300 superfans it doesn't really matter one way or the other, but with a bigger audience coming in it makes sense to use it more.

>>4946894
Japanese corporation, purease undastand.

>>4953880
The day after was pretty bad too, seeing all the other girls breaking down about it and apologizing to us about not being able to tell us earlier.
>>4953688
I'm hanging in there but I'm definitely still in the depression phase. Lots of things just aren't seeming as enjoyable right now. Seriously considering taking July 1st off work, I'm gonna be a mess.

gatagatagata

>>4948867
Chinks and sclerotic Japanese management culture.

I don't know how long other members are going to take this restrictive atmosphere. It seems like management colossally failed Coco at every turn to the extent that even if the China shit did not happen she'd still be leaving today because she can't fucking do anything. Other girls are content with playing Apex and Minecraft but Coco really wanted to do something different once in a while.

>>4956514
it's no coincidence we don't see Haachama streaming much these days

Top 10 Coco Streams/Moments? Want to make a list for a group of friends of mine to watch together before she graduates.

>>4956514
>It seems like management colossally failed Coco at every turn to the extent that even if the China shit did not happen she'd still be leaving today because she can't fucking do anything
Some of the restrictions were probably due to the China shit, to be fair, like the lockdown on collabs. I think you're right that she'd have left eventually because the Youtube content rules would presumably still have happened, but maybe a bit later.
>I don't know how long other members are going to take this restrictive atmosphere
Yeah, it seems like it's getting to be a problem for some of the others too. Haachama's an obvious example but Pekora and Marine both had projects they were really invested in (literally, too, in terms of money according to Marine) shot down at the last minute and it clearly took a toll on them.

>>4953858
I can't really see anyone else hosting the meme review. It really required Coco's goofy sense of humor and personality to make it work. I'd like to be proven wrong though.
>>4954799
The jannies won't allow k**n threads to exist for some reason so it's inevitable.

>>4954223
On the last minecraft stream with kanata, when they were remembering their first meet, coco said that they were talking but she couldnt understand mostly of it thats why she was quiet. So i really think it wasnt an act

>>4956401
This hurts

>>4956514
>>4956855
We can only speculate at this point but one thing is for sure it's that the whole thing isn't consistent. Miko just announced a pop up cafe so I'm sure these projects have to be something that is agreeable to management. Restrictions are also inconsistent since while Coco and Haachama weren't allowed to do some streams for being too dangerous for YouTube, Choco is still allowed to pump out lewd ASMRs every week.

It just feels more like they are trying to constrain them to being like most of the JP Vtuber scene rather than trying to expand their creativity and revolutionise it.

>>4954223
>>4956887
All it takes is a couple of minutes on nico nico, go find her first stream, her japanese is terrible.
Kanata already talked about that time all of yonkisei met together for the first time and she went into more detail, i remember her describing Coco's japanese as very caveman-like.

>>4956867
I'm hoping they allow those threads after the first, since they're still technically roommate threads right now. If not, we just keep the eternal coco threads going. Maybe make them coco and friends threads and just talk about what's going on with the people she was closest to, and occasionally mix in a you know who discussion.

>>4957302
>Kanata already talked about that time all of yonkisei met together for the first time and she went into more detail, i remember her describing Coco's japanese as very caveman-like.
Yeah. I don't think it was an act, either. It makes it all-the-more impressive to think she was doing Asacoco daily, AND other streams, AND learning Japanese so fast that by the time the Aqua Raft stream happened, Aqua was surprised that Coco knew vocabulary that she didn't. She must have been studying her ass off on top of everything else. I have worked that hard exactly twice in my life, and it was only for about a month each time. I can't imagine carrying on like that for so many months.

I truly do kneel.

>>4957264
I think it's pretty consistent. All the restrictions seem to stem from the fact that management wants to have strict control over all the girls' image. From that perspective, it makes sense why they seem to specifically have so many issues with Asacoco and her other proposed shows, she likes poking fun at Hololive and all the girls.

>>4959329
>she likes poking fun at Hololive and all the girls.
Yeah, and that humanizes them, makes them seem more relatable, and less idol-like. There's clear an audience that deeply connects with that "more relatable" style, and an audience that doesn't like it, and would attack them for not living up to an image.

I can see them perceiving it as a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't scenario. Even if it's not, even if that is a false choice (I think it is false), the fact that they perceive it that way will still drive their actions. In that case, Japanese corporate culture being what it is, I can see the risk-averse strategy of locking things down being the path they want to take. I don't agree with it, but I get what's going on.

>>4948867
Youtube, advertisers, copyright-striking game companies. Everything that stands for political correctness. Welcome to the modern digital world, sterilized and controlled for your viewing pleasure!

>>4959064
Signing yourself up for two jobs in a second language certainly sounds like a hell of an immersion tactic

>>4945735
look I'm super fucking depressed about this more than most but those fuckers will be eating sewer oil and living a miserable life in their shithole while she goes on to have fun and make loads of money and new friends

and remember while it's super depressing that we'll never see her with them again, she'll still be seeing her friends irl

>>4959064
>It makes it all-the-more impressive to think she was doing Asacoco daily, AND other streams, AND learning Japanese
She also still had the office wageslave job for the first months, she only quit after she got monetized.
She said she shaved years off her life during those 5-6 months and i really believe her.

Its really amazing how the kiryuukai here are actually going tributes and "X songs Y" here while the /jp/ thread calls it cringe circlejerk shit and does nothing but sperg at coco for being reddit dragon and REEEE muh EOPS qdespite korone, miko, pekora and FBK bringing them here first That being said, 80% of this board's catalog is pure garbage save for dedicated threads

>>4959549
This is probably it. I remember in a Haachama thread, people were saying how the two Chamas ARG thing was driving away older JP Haatons and coupled with the YouTube restrictions about on screen cartoon violence is probably why Cover decided to pull the plug.

How long do you guys think will the graduation live be? Other lives were usually around 1 hour live but those are concerts and this is significantly more special. I'm guessing that there will be other events like call-ins and stuff alongside with yonkisen singing their original song for the first and last time.

Using Nobuhime's grad stream as a basis I'm wagering 2 1/2 - 3 hours long.

>>4959848
Spend enough time in that place and you'll realize the majority of anons there like Coco, including all the longtime posters and ritualposters, it's just a couple of very persistent schizos who are there 24/7.
If you can't handle someone trying to make you feel worse when you're at the lowest, don't go there, everyone gets shitted on.

>>4959848
Tributes aren't exactly new in 4chan, and historically even the shithole /v/ had a couple done for living and deceased industry people. That said, at least /vt/ is trying to do *something*.

I think people are underestimating what mainstream sponsorships could mean to Cover. Redbull, Microsoft, Capcom are already great wins, but remember marketing deals take time to ink. HoloEn has been around less than a year. While their growth has been explosive it takes time to generate metrics and several quarters of data to prove they aren't a flash in the pan and worth investing in long-term. But while Gura alone would be a shilling powerhouse Hololive as a whole has enough subs (~40 million and rising) they are in the general ballpark of streamers like Mr Beast (~60 million). That means big money deals. Add EN Gen 2 and they are developing serious clout.

But with clout comes millions of dollars and new responsibilities. They are lucky that everyone had Coco's back. Fubuki was willing to cut ties with chinks and a lot of income. But it's easy to see a scenario where some of the girls would resent it, and investors would be furious if some random yab resulted in losing a key sponsor or collab opportunity. I have some sympathy. As an executive millions of dollars ride on none of your dozens female employees with highly variable mental health not burning everything to the ground. I think Coco understands this. I think she would be thrilled if Fubuki or Pekora was on Coke cans, or part of the Olympic opening ceremonies, or had a deal with Toyota. But she wanted to do her own thing that didn't fit with that vision long term, and she's in a position she can do whatever she wants. Chinks accelerated the process but the seeds were planted a long time ago, I suspect.

>>4948280
Based Kiara. Thanks for this, anon. Also, now what are the chances of a HoloES branch happening?

>>4945735
"Karma" is nothing more than a consolation prize, a fake positive outlook on life after something has happened. After all, a normal thing can be good if you're at your lowest, but seems insignificant or disappointing when you're at your highest.
However, sometimes you need to believe in something to keep on going, so it's not all bad. Let's just hope that things change a bit due to Coco leaving.
After all, gotta have a little sadness once in awhile so you know when the good times come. we're waiting on the good times now.

>>4944907
Will coco become homeless?

>>4961101
Coco said she can't imgine going back to living without Kanata so no.

>>4948789
Because exactly what happened to a lot of the talents at the same time. They were 100% trying to change her decision, if the anon from yesterday said was correct (reworking her contract to get more SC, getting new management because either some got fired or they need to rework it, opening collab gates, etc.). Saying it out loud and to her friends make it even more certain that she'll quit, and that affects the members, with some of them taking breaks and cancelling streams.

>>4959564
This.
Why is it all sterilized now. It's all the same thing, and stepping out of line means you either get harshly punished or just straight up cancelled.
Why did we loose all the creativity that bloomed so much a decade ago? Isn't thank to the very unique people that we can improve, because they dare to step out of line and explore?

>>4949517
Either way unless we're mega influential people we can't really do anything.
Coco is a very level-headed person, she knows what's she's doing and wont harm herself due to emotions. Trust her

>>4953692
>idolfag baiting with a fubuki image
kys and stop sullying this holy thread

>>4956867
If she starts streaming again on YT it'll probably be fine. She *is* a vtuber despite doing IRL as well

>>4959064
we truly don't deserve her

It's my bedtime but she said maybe karaoke in the morning...

>>4961392
Social media is a poison. The slightest yab (or even the accusation of one) is now echoed around the world in seconds by a horde of people chasing attention, thumbs up, and likes through declaring how deeply concerned they are about the latest issue they know nothing about. Used to be that only the fans of artists, designers, or actors would expend the effort to even know and follow the people behind something. Now illustrators get dogpiled by a thousand idiots who were never going to be customers over not creating "body positive" characters months before the project is even published. Musicians get leeches competing to have the hottest click bait take up on youtube just minutes after their new album drops. Harassment has been mechanized to the extent a single anti can launch a smear campaign over the slightest issue, kickstarting outrage with bots and sockpuppets until mob mentally can take over.
And the problem is that big money investors have bought into the illusion that social media is important, they need it to be real to validate their own fruitless endeavors in the armpit of the internet.

>>4963760
Yeah she did say that didn't she, an utawaku after she wakes up...
Can't miss it if it's unarchived...

>>4963760
me too man, i have work in 10 hours and dont want to sleep but i feel someone will archive it right...

>>4963943
https://space.bilibili.com/37921616
I think all her videos get uploaded here... not sure if they ever miss any though.

>>4964359
ive never navigated bilibili before outside of niche searches didnt think something like this existed. thank you

I know nobody cares or reads this shit. I'm just dumping it here because I have no where else. Someday I'll put these thoughts into order and write a letter to her.

I tried to do what kaichou did and moved to Japan after school to fulfill my stupid weeb dream despite knowing barely any Japanese but ended up being a friendless nisei gaijin working a dead end office job at a shitty company. It took a couple years and suicide attempts for me to realize I was being delusional and went back to my home country to give up and move on.

When I first learned about kaichou background it genuinely inspired me to try again because she was the first person I ever saw with a similar background to me who actually did their reps and made it through sheer force of will. During the year I've been watching her I picked up my Japanese reps, got a good job somehow and started lifting and making BIG PLANS. The knowledge that some awkward asian-american girl from Georgia was going to perform at Budokan gave me some actual hope for my own life for the first time ever.

It hurts a lot to see someone who worked way harder than myself and succeeded get dragged down through no fault of her own. I don't know what to do now but I can only pray that her future endeavors are even more successful. Coco is my idol in the original definition of the word; someone I admire and want to become more like.

>>4964359
Quality is shit though and you need an account to view higher than 480p though so hopefully someone else can archive it

Kiryu-Kai is forever
Zhangs are forever a fucking cry babies

>>4964458
She'll survive. The bugs just know how to pay for and throw meaningless text. Once she's back home to her alt, she'll show off what's she's capable of corporate free while backed by her loyal guys. Her big boobs can't contain her big heart.

>>4964458
Don't worry cocofag. Always follow your heart. Even if it let's you astray, you will end up in peace with yourself. Keep your guard up and don't worry, she will be fine. And so will you.
Also: fuck chinks

>>4964458
>ended up being a friendless nisei gaijin working a dead end office job at a shitty company.
Not much different from Coco on her early japan years, i assume you watched the zatsudans where she talked about eating alone at work and countless other examples, Coco has always been a lonely person who treasures the friends she has.

I loved your post anon, i think the same, i've always admired her.

im ngmi i fucking cried again after a day and a half of feeling like i was getting better

>>4944907
lads
I finally watched coco's announcement vid and well it got me, specially the part where her voice cracked, also Korone's message was bretty sad. I never thought a chuuba graduation was gonna make me feel like shit and yet here I am suffering with Coco

I feel sorry for towa, luna and choco because it seems theyre the ones who hit them the hardest

>>4964458
She didn't get dragged down! She rose to the top and is still on top. Did you watch the stream from today? It was really fun and captures how I want to remember Coco.

>>4967867
She still enjoys streaming as Coco, you could see her having a great time today.
I don't know what to believe anymore, i keep going back and forth between trusting her judgement and not understanding her.

>>4945664
she's not leaving, she's fired, dipshit.

Stay in global, new IP

>>4968518
why would they fire her? She's the second biggest SC earner.

>>4968880
jesus christ westerners don't know how Japanese companies work. she was pressured to resign by corporate.

>>4969207
>>4968518
delusional fuck

>>4969207
Did she face restrictions? Sure, and so did the other girls. That isn't the same thing as being forced to resign.

>>4969278
>>4969375
>get suspended for le taiwan meme
>resign a few months later
>s-she's leaving for her own r-reasons!!
jesus christ delusional weeb.

>>4968084
I know how you feel. I was here a few months ago saying there is no way she would graduate because being Coco is so important to her but she was already decided on it. I completely misjudged her. She is more independent and willful than I gave her credit for. I think the reason she has been able to carry on cheerfully for the last few months is because she knew she is leaving whereas the Coco that I imagined, the one that doesn't graduate, would have kept being stifled by management and it would suck the soul out of her. Of course she loves being Coco and she doesn't that want that to change, to get to the point where she no longer loves it.

>>4968084
She enjoys now because she's already found her resolve. She's been thinking about it for 3 months which is basically the time the chinks shit was practically done. This is the time when she collabs with people already as well. But if you don't know, most of her content back then where simply games, zatsu and reddit. This is where people where blasting her because the quality of the reddit shows were becoming duller and duller for them. This is when she responded to "just enjoy" it to a redditor. This is when she took a break and said she can't think of any content anymore that is idol-ish or basically something mainstream and safe. This is also when she started streaming on the side as Kson and just simply enjoyed the game. She was way more relaxed there.

I see it's SEA hours already

>>4969458
That was like 8 months ago actually, that's like years in Vtuber time.

>>4969629
her resignation was decided then, idiot. she brought trouble for the company. The graduation meme is essentially idol seppuku

Jannies.... why you do dis.....

>>4969550
The "just enjoy" thing was like a month ago anon, don't take those posts so seriously, meme review wasn't even her idea it was suggested to her by EN management, she did it because it was fun but she never took it that seriously like with asacoco.
She has never stoped streaming on her roommate account either.
I think you got some facts wrong.

>>4968084
She really enjoys being Coco, it's just that she just can't keep pretending everything is fine and dandy and keep churning out sub-par content, and she ended up having no other option but to graduate because Cover weren't willing let her make the content she wanted out of fear of having another Taiwan-level yab.

>>4969840
All I'm saying is she never got another thing going on for her. She only had this reddit meme to work on. And it got duller and duller. She probably won't even do it on a weekly if she was busy working on a another thing. She was beginning to dislike it.

>>4969744
Here, this summarizes it better than I could.

>>4969928
It's a pointless discussion but i don't believe it, she loves streaming videogames, that's still a huge part of her roommate to this day, sure she's a variety streamer at heart but i also remember how relieved she was to take a break from asacoco even before permissions and Aloe happened back in the day, that first asacoco break was very very long, and what did she use those 6-8 hours that weren't dedicated into asacoco anymore? long game streams, more zatsudans, more utawakus.
I remember those 8-11 hour long ARK pokedex streams.
I remember that 12-hour long Apex stream.
I'll never believe creative differences are the biggest reason for leaving, not when she loves streaming with her friends so much, not when she could keep talking about random everyday stuff and gushing about Kanata for years.
Coco is a reasonable and intelligent person, leaving all of that just because she can't try something new is not reasonable, not when there's so many other positives.
Someone said it better than me, it's like having your hand infected and cutting your entire arm to fix it.

Fly me to the moon~

>>4950014
>niji doesn't care about the world

>niji ID
>niji KR
>niji IN (RIP)
>Virtuareal
>niji EN

like half of their members are overseas, mostly with pretty shit numbers though.

>>4969744
>she brought trouble for the company
>she brought the trouble
Gee, I wonder who's behind this post

That time when the new rules came out and Haato went on break was around 3 months ago. That must have been the final straw and she told the other holomembers at that time. She talked about the new rules briefly and how it was important for everyone to put up with it because it was for their own protection. Now we know she personally had no intention of putting up with anything longer than necessary.

I'm starting to think that I'm gonna be okay.
I'm still not okay, but by July 1st, maybe I will be.
Or maybe I'll relapse into hating everything on July 1st and have to climb back up again.
I don't know but it's good to have you all here to share this with.

>>4969207
They might been incompetent on purpose with that moderator issue who knows but Coco is a doragon from dragon america she doesn't bow down to passive-faggotry especially when all other members stand for her.

>>4970586
Same here, I have finally reached rhe acceptance stage, but I have a feeling that July 1st will absolutely destroy me inside.

>>4970322
ah yes our credible sources; weaponized_syphilis, aryanrapist1488, andysemetic and albaniansuicidebomber.
>>4970422
retarded faggot even if its not her fault she's the one subject to controversy. stop being a semantic retard.

>>4970759
>decides to victim blame

>>4970811
i do not think what has went down with Coco is acceptable and I do not agree with chinks.
I'm just explaining the situation to western twitterfags like you.

>>4970759
You didn't address the point and they aren't wrong.

>>4970330
She's also said she loves to help others, almost above all else.
Though she loves streaming video games, collabs, and chatting for long hours, I don't think she wanted to continue her career just coasting on those alone. Asacoco was her creative way of doing that by promoting the other talents. She mentioned it was really difficult to keep up with the furious schedule of Asacoco at the beginning, but I think she kept going because it was a show unique to her that helped Hololive as a whole. But with the heavy restrictions now, she can't do a program like Asacoco anymore.

Due to the Taiwan debacle, even a simple mention of Coco invites spammers who try to ruin the mood of the stream by polluting chat.
Coco can never do another "Raft" stream with Aqua without the Chinese antis losing their shit.
Watame got spammed briefly for thanking Coco for helping with Watame No Uta all the way until its end.
Pekora including Coco in UsaKen and voice calls at the time caused her chat to get spammed. Pekora ignored the spam
Flare wanting to play Minecraft with Coco with a discord voice call caused her chat to get spammed. Despite this Flare wanted to play with Coco regardless and Coco profusely apologized (even though it was very clear she was blameless).
Every large collab would have to go members only.
Even sometimes when members talked about visiting Coco or thanking her for her help, out of the blue there'd be spam shitting up the chat at times.
Despite the Hololive members standing in solidarity with Coco, Coco would see it as greatly inconvenient to every member she'd have an interaction with, even if it's outside the stream.
Every good deed Coco does will be punished by the Chinese spammers. That's hell to someone who loves helping others.

>>4971097
i dont need to address the point of subhuman twitterfags

>>4959064
>to think she was doing Asacoco daily,
reminder that asacoco alone was taking her 6 to 8 hrs daily to make

>>4971256
The same point was made /here/, but whatever. If you don't have a response then you're admitting you're wrong.

>>4971368
there is nothing to respond to. learn your place, trash.

>>4970519 (me)
>she told the other holomembers at that time.
Also important that she said she wasn't even supposed to do that. She went against management's orders for her friends. She was pushing back behind the scenes even while acting like everything was fine on stream. It must have taken a lot of restraint for her not to say anything to the fans all this time.

>>4971165
Why is simply streaming vidya and zatsudans (95% of hololive's content) considered coasting? why does the bar have to be set higher for Coco?
I know what you mean but i don't think Coco has that mindset.
I don't disagree with anything you said though, i think the same, it's not just 1 thing, content restriction certainly played a part into it, but it wasn't the only reason nor do i believe it was the biggest reason for leaving.

Stop replying to the schizo SEAnigger

>>4971587
chink spam
cover restrictions
cover incompetence dealing with chinks

>>4971587
If you watched her Aqua collab or every time she talks with Kanata and Watame about the good ol' times you should probably know how much Asacoco meant to her.

>>4969744
wanna hear something?
asacoco script that was shown on that unfortunate day had to go trough manager, after kanata "hanging forest CM" every future asacoco script had to be reviewed by at least her manager, interpret it as you will.

Guess I'm gonna leave thread for now while waiting for coco's utawaku. Hopefully the thread will be better by that time.

>>4971796
Yup, it's those 3 things, mostly the first 2 nowdays and replace the third one with her friends being hurt.
>>4971816
Of course i know anon, but i don't think she's foolish enough to leave everything behind just for it.
You know what she really cares about the most? what she spends the most time talking about in Zatsudans, other holomen, Kanatan, banter and interaction with her chat.
She fucking loves asacoco, she knows it's a huge part of her legacy, she's proud of it, but how much time did she spent talking about it once it was done? not nearly the same amount as to what's actually the most important to her.

>>4971587
>Why is simply streaming vidya and zatsudans (95% of hololive's content) considered coasting?
>why does the bar have to be set higher for Coco?
That's a bar she set herself. She talked about how Haachama (as Akai Haato) was one of her inspirations to join Hololive as a VTuber as well as an inspiration for her through her career as haato became Haachama and did a wild content shift.
Lots of people talked about how Asacoco drew them in and made them legitimiately interested in Hololive. There would be quite a lot of people getting up early in the morning to catch Asacoco when it happened.
For me, It was how Coco was the antithesis of idol culture despite being one herself that drew me in to Hololive. And although Coco was this brash, foul-mouthed degenerate, she was a really good person at heart when you get to know her by watching her zatsudans, Bar Coco, collabs, etc.
She can no longer be what made her such a hit with Cover clamping down on restrictions.

>>4972243
I know all of that and yet i don't believe it disproves my point.
As i said, at the end of the day it's a pointless discussion, i may be coping by denying reality or you may be naive by accepting that reason because the alternative is much worse.
Nobody will ever truly know.
What i hope we can all agree with is that thinking she's ONLY leaving because of content restrictions is unfair and doesn't make Coco justice.

>>4972155
>Kanatan
not gonna lie I was worried about her when I first heard the bad news, seeing how close they are adding to that when ppt said she would follow coco till the end of the world only for coco to tell her that even in the scenerio she wouldve to graduate she wouldnt allow ppt to leave cover with her, we know ppt is taking it like a champ at least thats what it looks like nowadays but I wonder if it affected her the first time coco seriously discussed with her, I can totally see it like a mix of luna. choco and towa reactions

>>4972660
Towa is taking it really hard, when she talked about Kaichou i started crying again.

>>4972509
Wasn't really trying to disprove your point, just add to it.
I agree it isn't really limited to one thing.
All of this shit kind of came together and changed her career from difficult but fun/rewarding to just difficult.
You can argue that the one catalyst to it all was the Taiwan controversy and I'd agree.
But look back farther and Cover's been trying to exert more and more control after each controversy that hurt them in a major way (Aloe graduation, game permission "Holocaust", Mel's manager, YT demonetizations and bans for ASMR content, etc.)

>>4971587
>That's a bar she set herself.
That's one thing that doesn't get discussed much but from the beginning she was always overly self-conscious about giving fans what she thought they wanted from the Kiryu Coco character specifically. Most obviously whenever she did endurance streams and was taking a long time to achieve some goal you could tell she was getting frustrated with herself and kept bringing up how viewers must be pissed at her for not playing better while for someone like Watame or Kanata they'd consider it cute.

>>4972509
Of course everyone knows that the zhang spam played a major part in it and she doesn't want to say it both because she doesn't want to give them the satisfaction and because Cover told her not to, but I think it's a disservice to her and her work ethics to deny that her not wanting to make everyone to feel miserable by putting out content for the sake of putting out content when her heart wasn't really into it (seriously I still get flashbacks to that cursed Kazuma soundboard meme review she did a few weeks ago), specially when she went out of her way to say it multiple times during yesterday's member stream.

If anything, her putting the emotional wellbeing of her friends and her own principles and work ethics over quick and easy money has made me gain a new level of respect for her.

>>4972799
It'd be sad if Coco leaving is what brings in gen 4 unity.
Similar to Aloe leaving did to gen 5.

>>4973072
I agree with you anon.
I don't know, it just pisses me off when i read EOPs saying she's leaving just because she can't make edgy content anymore, i guess i should understand i'm in an individual thread, the level of discussion is higher, i should take some things for granted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97BnzI7hBLI
She really grew and flourished as a content creator in Hololive.

>>4973342
What a foul-mouthed dork

>>4973162
>just because she can't make edgy content anymore
Speaking of which, seeing people act like drug jokes were an integral part of Asacoco is just the most bizarre thing. What were they even watching? The real risque content was stuff like when she made that long story about Marine's remarks about Miko in the werewolf game chat.

>>4973561
>What were they even watching?
3 or 4 classic virtuals translated asacoco CM clips, if you're lucky.

>>4973561
The Asacoco drug commercials were pretty popular clips for a while, it's probably related to that.

>>4973162
Here is the thing. And this is what settled matters for me. Coco probably said the same reasons to the other members. That it is content restriction. The way the girls shared their reactions, and how the girls tried to help her by providing several suggestions and probably trying out a few of them only means that this is the major issue she was having. Whatever the cause of the restriction is not the problem anymore. The way Suisei was so hesitant and hurt. To even just equate herself as a neighbor not a friend only tells me that they have been at this content thing for a long time. To anyone, especially the content creators themselves, their resolution to such problem is to just think of innovative ways to overcome them right?... but there is another part of it. They all say that the reason they accepted her resolve was because in the end she wanted to leave. Cover was not trying to let her go. And them making this whole month a thing. Her name not being a taboo or her content not going away only means they are clearly implying that she can come back anytime. Another thing to point out, is that it is actually risky to let your talents graduate especially Coco given her symbolism to many people.
If my friend who I shed tears with. Shared stories and experiences together. Who helped me reach where I am right now tells me she wants to go away. My first reaction is to solve all her problems. But is that really enough? To Coco it isn't anymore at this point. She wants move away. She's proud of her accomplishments and wants to do something else. It hurts a lot but as a friend, I can't say no to that. It's her choice and we have to respect that. I'm a woman btw. Don't go incel on me for once.

I agree it's not just restrictions but I don't think it's just antis. Both can be true since both are apparent on her case.

>>4973884
The most obvious thing for me that shows an attempt to help her was when Kanata gifted Coco a switch. She has been planning this for a long time for Coco but for her to stream it is basically obligating Coco to try it out.

>>4973884
Can i ask you if you see Coco in a romantic way? or you're in the "i want to be her friend/i admire her too much to see her in a sexual way" camp.
Just curious since there's such a divide within Tatsunokos about that.

>>4974066
Uh well.. It's hard to say. She's not my type if I was going to date a girl. But I can totally see a lot of girls that would get attracted to her energy. I would love to be her friend. Someone I turn to for advice because she is very introspective.

I thind it'd be sweet to have an OP with every yonkisei for the next threads, you know because of how much Coco loves them.
We already had Kanata, maybe it's time for Luna-tan?

https://twitter.com/syan893581/status/1403547620589522951

>>4974513
Is this actually real?

>>4974560
It is.
https://keiba.rakuten.co.jp/info/racecourse/kanazawa/2021/06/10/166840

>>4974513
>>4974653
What am I looking at here?

>>4974745
Horse racing.

I'm gonna go to sleep, she'll set the frame for the utawaku up minutes later and i'm going to wake up to an archived thread full of people spamming Rockabye, Basilisk, Weather Hackers and Queen songs.

test

>>4975909
what did the testing conclude?

>>4976271
>>4976277

>>4974745
>>4974989
Specifically, two races are being named after Coco references to celebrate her birthday.

Oh no! One of Coco's sweet potatoes has fallen off of her head while she slept.

>>4974303
>We already had Kanata, maybe it's time for Luna-tan?
I will make an effort.

>>4977007

I'm cleaning my room while listening to a podcast... every time I open this thread to check it, the Fly Me To The Moon cover starts playing. I pause the podcast and listen to Coco's beautiful voice for five minutes. I still don't get her complex about her singing ability.

ill miss her