/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>almost 1k is bad now

>>49746803
Less than 1k is very, very bad for her, yes. These are Finana numbers.

>>49746871
Finana has a good day when she's over 500 not 1k.

>>49746871
I guess it's time for Selen to leech off of Tempus again.

>>49746931
Finana used to be a 2k streamer back in the early days. Sub-500 streams are really really bad

>>49746803
Selen used to pull 5K every stream before she revealed she's a fucking menhera over fucking video games of all things.
Her getting depressed and throwing hissy fits because she can't accept that she's not as good as she thinks she is because pros carried her stopped being funny the second time it happened. Now it's just cringe.

>>49746745
I am going to spam APEX and you going to support me and like it!

>>49746803
uhh yeah it is, she used to get like 5 times as many viewers, if she was a random indie or small corpo and she inclined to 1000 viewers, that would be impressive, but she's not, she declined super hard and lost like 80 percent of her viewers, that's really bad, even if she had 50k average viewers and she dipped down to 10k, that would still be really fucking bad

>>49747191
>part 5 of a series where she draws mascots no one has ever seen for hours
She obviously lost a lot of viewers to the apex spam, but are we really going to pretend these numbers are representative?

>>49746745
>>49746803
>>49746871
>>49746931
>>49747015
>>49747076
>>49747191
>durr this noomber good
>hurr this noomber bad
>durpa dur I like noooooombers

being in Nijisanji killed her channel
everything bad that happens to the company affects everyone else
any new viewers who would have checked out her channel and replaced old departing viewers simply aren't there since Nijisanji is the last place new EN viewers are going to look due to the company's reputation

Like oh boy, I can't wait to be part of a fanbase adjacent to some nasty-ass fujos, I can't wait for corporate mandated collabs with men who are bad entertainers that I don't give a flying fuck about, I can't wait to support a company exposed for being incredibly corrupt, incompetent, and stingy, I can't wait to support the laughing stock of the industry etc
It's a problem Zaion would have had if she stayed - Nijisanji the company is not getting new male viewers and the stress of supporting the girls is not worth it

>>49747360
Don't cry when she streams way less because she has to look for a second job to make ends meet with numbers this shitty. Especially since we now know Nijisanji gives her jackshit.

>>49746745
Did so many people even left her? She was the odd ball of NijiEN, she doubled Pomu, Elira, Finana numbers, she was pulling 5k consistently at some point.
I don't get it, she didn't even yab hard for Nijisanji standards.

>>49746745
This isnt a Selen problem, this is a NijiEN problem. All the yabs around NijiEN have just completely shit on them, basically everyone that wasnt already a hardcore nijifag hates them now and would never start to watch them. So they new viewership intake is basically zero and there is always viewerschurn so they just keep losing viewers very fast

Doesnt matter if they had a part in any of the yabs or not, NijiEN is just such a radioactive brand that everyone is sinking fast, no exception

>>49746745
This isn't her average for the stream, is it? It's just one point in time?

It doesn't help that Selen's currently obsessed with making APEX her entire identity/brand, things were nowhere near this bad during the first year or so of her being around. The real kicker though is that NijiEN doesn't really do good for you anymore, if anything its the opposite. Now it's known as a K-pop tier fandom in terms of radioactiveness.

>>49747409
>view numbers = money

>>49747396
I don't disagree with this assessment but Selen still went full menhera and caused her own downfall.

>>49747621
So they're going to superchat her when they don't watch her?

More like getting mindbroken over choking during a tournament and then going menhera and lashing out against her fans when they didn't shower her with praise for getting carried to pred by 2 pro players in the easiest season in apex history killed her channel

>>49747675
Just cause of that one community post about wanting to be predator or whatever?

>>49747713
Yes. It's called Streamlabs. Fans can donate anytime.

>>49747872
So she has people who never watch her content give her money on streamlabs? Who are these people who just give money to people randomly, do you dontlate to people you don't watch?

>>49747732
Why can't Selen take it easy?
Pekora doesn't even know how to do recoil control and she'd still mogs every Apex pro streamers in existence.

>>49747713
Having low numbers doesn't mean the people who SCd her don't watch her, it doesn't even necessarily imply they SC less, even if they're just as likely to miss her streams as regular fans.

nijiSis called 11k a failure
also NijiSis
>>49746803

>>49748313
was it good? I missed it since I'm not subbed to Mori...

>>49746745
i am more interested in saving my cum up for a huge spirit bomb that will cover the entire nation of japan in a generous layer of NEET semen

>>49748313
Why would NijiSis call an 11k mixed collab a failure?
If anything, NijiSis would call that a success because it "owns the unicorns", especially given it had a higher peak than the CGDCT collab feat. Gura earlier in the day.

>>49748125
She made being good at Apex her whole identity, so her constant underperforming during events has really broke her.

>>49748276
Having low viewership means your fans are leaving. Fans leaving = lower donations no matter the platform.

>>49748532
Or it just means she has the same number of fans watching fewer of her streams.

>>49748606
Which means she isn't growing, which isn't good, you need to grow or your income won't increase, if your income doesn't increase inflation will drive you out of the market.

>>49748125
>complains about overbearing, controlling asian parents
A neurotic upbringing caused Selen to create her own tiger mom in her head that demands she be good at her chosen obsession (Apex).

>>49747872
>>49748276
Man. Selen coping she's a legit Pred is already bad enough.
And now we get to see Selen fans arguing about losing viewers is actually good for her earnings.

>>49748671
Unless the size of the SCs keep pace with inflation. They may not, but selen's not obviously more screwed on that front than any other employee

>>49748838
That's another sentence. I didn't even come close to saying that.

>>49748365
Just character creation, it was alright

>>49748365
It was great. They created some insane characters, and had a lot of fun doing it. They next stream is gonna be wild

>>49748532
>Fans leaving = lower donations no matter the platform.
This is your brain on noombers. Unless her paypigs leave nothing changes. And her paypigs won't leave her. Just like Pomu 15 of her paypigs account for 80% of her income. She can gave 100 viewers and make the same amount.

>>49748365
It was a bunch of dorks creating characters for a somewhat indie tabletop RPG. Your enjoyment will depend on how much you enjoy the dorks themselves and the banter that naturally happens when rolling for characters.

>>49748854
In niji yeah, since they don't support their talents. Regardless, donations won't increase because inflation will prevent it from doing so. Which means she would need income from somewhere and it won't come from niji. Which means she will need to get a job leading to streaming less and that would lead to fewer streams and that would lead to people leaving, it's a vicious cycle and I hope she can escape it.

>Something that smells so bad Yuko wont even eat it
Goddamn. Koreans live like this?

>>49749258
You'd think numberfags would be better at numbers

>>49747600
I think the best example of this is happening in real time - if you posted this 10 months ago you'd still get a bunch of replies from fans of the girls telling you to fuck off or that it's not so bad, or that they're sticking around for their oshi. Not anymore.

>>49749258
So you're assuming they will never leave why?

If Selen wants numbers I think she should focus on Apex, particularly collabs with other top players/streamers. That seems to be the only content on her channel that is doing well right now.

>>49749341
If inflation prevents her SCs from increasing, that will be because there's next to none of it. The more inflation, the likelier it is that her SCs will increase.

>>49748313
>Homotranny trying to smear Idolchads as Nijiniggers
Rumao. You will never fit in, you will never be Hololive, I will never watch your homofaggots, I will never watch whores who collab with homofaggots, I will always mock homofaggots shit numbers, 11k is a failure for a 4 way collab btw since Gura, Ina and Fauna often solo those numbers. Seethe, dilate, ywnbaw.

>>49749603
If inflation increases so will peoples bills and food expenses etc, this means their income will be less disposable, which means they won't be able to give her more, or possibly even the same, amount of donations.

>>49749618
Based trannies have no space in our community

>>49749618
Yet less people turned out to watch Gura and Mumei collab with Kiara than the TTRPG homo collab, kek

>>49749509
Why would the most fanatically loyal people leave?

>>49747675
No she didn't lol fucking imagine being a dragoon and getting mad at selen for playing more apex

>>49749784
Why would they stay? You can't answer my question with a question.

>>49749668
Their wages will also increase. A US dollar in 1950 is equivalent to $12.59 today, but people are paid more dollars than they were in 1950, so it more or less evens out.

>>49749822
Because they are fanatically loyal. Boy u stoopid

>>49747469
And yet, for some reason, /vt/ still claims to hate dramatubers. The same dramatubers whose videos and tweets destroyed Nijisanji's brand, by freebooting the rrats and yabs that we created, amplified and kept alive long enough to be noticed by the entire industry. These whores will have no future as streamers once NijiEN goes down. WE killed them.

>>49747732

>>49749946
Inflation has outpaced wages dude

>>49750005

>>49750041
that's beside the point. The question is whether "inflation" means selen has to move into the poor house. The fact that inflation goes with higher wages means that it probably won't.

>>49749955
So those fanatically loyal, perhaps you could call them parasocial, people need to stay interested. Let's hope she does nothing to upset those people.

>>49749741
NTA, but wasn't the TTRPG collab 4 people, while Kiara, Gura and Mumei are only 3. That is 3 fanbase vs 4 watching at the same time.

>>49750192
NTA but if they're still willing to watch her at this point then I'd say it doesn't really matter what she does and they'll still watch her anyway.

>>49750005
Sad to see a vtuber destroy her career over Apex

>>49750310
Everyone has a cracking point dude

>>49747360
Give me all the money in your bank. Noombers are bad you don't need them.

>>49750419
Clearly they don't if they're still watching her

>>49749539
>obsess over apex
>your viewers narrow down into an apexfag majority
Even if she got over her obsession, it'd be the end of her sustainable numbers, and unlike some chuubas she actually has rent to pay. Anons dreaming of a Selen who drops zoomer shooters and plays old /v/core without having a meltdown over being bad at video games need to accept that it just isn't meant to be.

>>49746745
>Drawing stream aka zatsudan
?
Selen always got those numbers on her zatsu streams, just like everyone else.

>>49748313
squad used to get 20k

>>49750756
Didn't that Aia Amare girl have really bad views but get saviorfagged by SCs? If selen gets in that position I bet people would try and save do that.

she should spam apex collabs with axel instead

>>49747713
Superchat amounts and viewer numbers aren't really that closely correlated. Scarle in NijiEN for example barely averages above 1k viewers and thats mostly because she gets a lot of raids from more popular members. Yet last month only one HoloEN member got more superchat than her. Factors like the type of fan you attract and how much you stream have far more impact on that then raw viewer numbers.

>>49750816
Barely scraping 1k? No, she use to get more.

>>49751064
>Raptorlen
Anon, are you retarded?.

>>49746745
It did nothing. Fuck off. Stop screenshotting random numbers with no context. People who do this need to be instabanned.

>>49751128
cope.
Here's something even more recent without a gimmick

>>49751295
Looks like she's filtered all her normal viewers and now she can only get numbers with competitive Apex

>>49751360
The stream highlighted that got the same viewers was weeks ago anon before she ever said anything about Apex. Stream before she said anything about it did the same as stream after she said anything about it, hence it had no impact.

>>49751439
go back to before the vsaikyo training arc

>>49751295
So the only stuff she can get above 2k on these days is APEX and single-POV collabs
Grim

>>49751295
what was the dragonball evolution watchalong like? It sounds kino

Numberfags should be banned posting outside of your thread.

>>49747396
I don't think what you mentioned are things you really care about from a new viewer perspective, the bigger problem is that NijiEN comes as a package. So if you want to watch one you're gonna have to watch all of them since they all collab with each other constantly.

>>49746745
>Her constant Apex collabs with Noct killed her channel.
LOL retarded number retard
Its a EN in general problem, even Holo declined too but unlike the Nijifags from the /NijiEN/, I also know that Niji got hit the hardest (also see Pomu and Rosemi... and then you have Luxiem who used to BTFO Myth and Council and now they are what Selen used to be, 3-5k streamers)
Its sad because she does a lot for the branch itself on top of lot of streaming hours... the Niji Buff is not real anymore
>>49751555
heh
It was really fun, even the thread was kino (/HAHA/) except the Spicgoons... they were seething

>>49751295
So basically, her numbers are the usual outside of memberstuff (always will be natively low) and draw/bs streams, like ANYONE'S numbers unless that's their content focus.

>>49751614
clearly we need more containment boards
>/no/ - Numbers
>/sis/ - Virtual YouTubers (Male)
>/pagpag/ - SEA Virtual YouTuber Discussion

>>49747076
Yeah I dropped her when that metal gear stream happened. She straight up quit the game in the middle of the first level and started doing tutorials on repeat while seething passive-aggressively at chat because someone said she was bad at the game.

>>49751782
"memberstuff" doesn't show numbers on vrabi

>>49751771
Were they mad because Selen was making fun of a movie they liked, or were they mad because they saw Dragon Ball being raped in front of their eyes?

>>49752068
>or were they mad because they saw Dragon Ball being raped in front of their eyes?
this one, lmao they are right btw... holy shit, it was really cringe

>>49752121
I like the part where the bullies at Goku's called him Geeko. Every part of that was completely accurate to the original manga.

>>49752121
There's a reason why the director personally apologized for how bad the movie was, even your average contrarian would struggle to think of good things to say about it

>>49750000
Niji needs to die though

>>49747396
>I can't wait to be part of a fanbase adjacent to some nasty-ass fujos
This IS a bigger point than you may realize. What the fuck is cross-promotion within Nijisanji worth if the fujoshis aren't gonna be interested in watching the female livers and most dudes aren't gonna be into the male livers. In the long term, there's no upsides to the collabs because the audience won't be shared between them. This is why cross-gender collabs get so many views, because rather than sharing audiences they just have completely different audiences.

>>49751771
It's mostly about the guys popularity I think. You look at the girls average viewer numbers now and they are basically the same as before Luxiem ever happened. Luxiem got popular and the NijiEN girls got a boost out of that, a lot of the guys fans lost interest and then girls numbers followed down.

>>49750000
The industry would be a LOT better if NijiEN died. Even the JP branch would be better. The good ones will always have a place to go, don't worry about that.

>>49751671
I dunno why people still have this impression of NijiEN. They collab way less than they used to. A bunch of members only have a couple of collabs a month nowadays. Like checking Rosemi for example she has an ASMR off collab with Petra and a Valorant stream and thats everything from now until the 2nd week of April. Elira barely collabs to the point where she has gone full months with her only collab being a sponsored stream recently. Pomu has two collabs on her channel I can see in the last month.

>>49753202
>You look at the girls average viewer numbers now and they are basically the same as before Luxiem ever happened
Yes and no, it depends
Some of them reclined beyond that and others are stable

>>49753677
Because that's how they were for a very long time while they were at their peak, and didn't a bunch of the girls just have a collab on Luca's channel?

>>49746745
she just have to collab with pomu.

>>49753936
I think your impression of how well they were doing before Luxiem is a bit overblown.
1st number is November 2021, 2nd number April 2023
Selen - 2,754 - 3,154
Elira - 2,222 - 2,298
Pomu - 1,866 - 2,295
Finana - 1,815 - 913
Enna - 1,332 - 3,169
Rosemi - 1,316 - 1,757
Petra - 1,101 - 963
Nina - 1,023 - 1,500
Millie - 976 -1,531
Reimu - 749 - 1,006
The only person doing significantly worse now is Finana.

>>49752121
Pour one out for Saint Seiya fans

>>49753958
They did but I am not really sure what that has to do with the point I was addressing that
>you're gonna have to watch all of them since they all collab with each other constantly.
The point I was making was there aren't even "constant" collabs anymore for a lot of members to begin with.

>>49751001
Hard facts that numberfags like to ignore for the sake of "muh numbahs"

>>49754654
The very first thing you asked was
>I dunno why people still have this impression of NijiEN

>>49755213
So you are saying people have that impression that everyone constantly collabs with everyone because some of the girls had a collab with Luca last night?

>>49754368
Why did Selen recline so much? She lost like more than half of her regular audience.

Get her down to around 200 live viewers and she can start seeing chat members as individuals again instead of dragoons as a mass entity. Some people aren't meant to endure popularity.

>>49749618
based.

>>49754368
Look at enna's numbers. Line go up!

>>49750974
It was a different situation with Aia because she was a likable underdog out of the gate. Selen was at the top for years and has caused her own fall because she's having a breakdown over her wounded ego.

>>49759942
>her own fall because she's having a breakdown over her wounded ego.
Is this what Nijisisters tell themselves to cope with the fact that their homos are the ones who declined the most?

>>49746871
>>49746931
Woa, finana+selen just about beat new Zaion.

>>49750193
Homobeggar can't do division, pls understand, also they can't understand timezone exist, it hurt their brain

>>49747076
>>49751840
Even losing in game can be entertaining if they know how to do it.
I mean look at Mumei being bad at Civilization. But she made it funny and entertaining by having a beef with Ghandhi early on.

>>49750193
Thank you anon for treating the homos as if they are equals to Gura, Mumei and Kiara. That's a rarity to show them as much as you just did.

>>49746745
She needs to leave and join tempus as a tomboy butch lesbian or some shit.

>>49747015
That Finana is dead after NOT educating herself

She needs trans Vtubers to bring more representation and inclusion.

>>49769150
>least obvious Libtard

I hate numberkeks more than holokeks

>>49749741
Girl talk is kind of an acquired taste. Kiara's great by herself but tends to try to take over in collabs. It's even worse when she's the host. I think she's working through some highschool shit, personally.

>>49746745
People always ask "How do we save Selen?", but never "Why do we bother saving Selen?"

nuclear faggoon cope

>>49769506
Niji nignogs love numbers tho

>>49756422
she has a breakdown whenever she loses in a game, it happens fairly often. the failure of tsb and her subsequent pred cope are only the most recent examples

>>49779617
see >>49761282

>>49749618
A B S O L U T L Y based AF. Also from what i have seen there are less viewers for the actual TTRPG compared to the character creation, who is hilarious on many level.

She don't wanna be saved (don't save her)

>>49755090
You're forgetting she is a sexx chubba and has simps

>>49749741
>Yet less people turned out to watch Gura and Mumei collab with Kiara than the TTRPG homo collab, kek
If were employed, would know that the GirlsTalk stream was during when most were at work. I don't even know why Ame was also doing her karaoke during that same time slot. Comparing views later shows which was most watched.
btw, Happy for Calli and Stars. This series looks to be a great success. Could it be that the Nijisis are hopping over to Stars?

>>49746745
That predator though

>>49751840
Same. I've watched selen for most of her career whenever she was playing something besides apex, even sometimes had the apex streams on too.
The way she handled that stream was such a buzzkill I haven't watched her since. metal gea rising is usually one of the most kino streams a streamer can do and she turned it into a truly unpleasant toxic experience, and all because she refused to accept any of the valid criticism. She and other streamers need to get it through their heads that when the vast majority of your chat is trying to tell you you're doing it wrong then you're almost always doing it wrong, getting stubborn about it and proceeding to have a war with your own chat.

>>49783775
It just hit me why the girls streamed at that horrible timeslots Probably requested so they don't interfere with Calli's sponsored stream, and give the TTRPG collab a good start.
Good management.

>>49784252
i managed to watch that stream all the way, but it still left a bad feeling after it ended. she has been acting really weird ever since that stream

>>49784252
>dropping her because she played the tutorial
?????

>>49784252
So much this. I don't know what's wrong with Selen but sometimes being bad at a game can be hilariously fun. Her ego is so big, she can't accept failure and it makes her stream so painful to watch.

>>49784601
>ignoring the part where she seethed about and went passive aggressive to chat by playing the tutorial after bragging about not playing on easy

>>49785802
>she went passive aggressive with the greyniggers aka MGR tourist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>playing games on EASY MODE

>>49746745
We don't save her
>The whore keeps playing with her boyfriend ac1dreignz on her nijisanji accounts
https://destinytracker.com/destiny-2/pgcr/13244196259

>>49746745
Yes and no.
Yes is because a month of apex madness followed by even more apex and the cancellations of streams over apex pred grind filtered her fanbase way too much to the point where there's like 4k people that don't watch her content aside from apex.
No because the entire branch is in decline and the numbers are down across the board, it may be the luxiem fujos leaving, it may be the general vtuber decline, it may be the shitty yab killstreak in the past months - who knows. She still has plenty of people watching her just play dumb shit, though (like me), and her drawing content has always been her lowest performing one if there is no challenge involved or some shit (beedrills).
She pulled a constant 2k today with DW9, which is the shittiest dynasty warriors game in a franchise full of nerds, she's still doing way above average for EN standards (half of luxiem content gets lower numbers these days, and these fuckers have been the top performing ones for months). Too bad these standards are constantly in free fall though...

>>49746745
we dont

>>49748313
Calli used to pull 30k she was the second biggest of her branch, Kronii pulled 20k she was the biggest of her gen, Magni and Vesper seem the most popular of their branch.
A collab between HoloEN and HolostarsEN with their biggest members barely getting 11k, as many views as a Fauna/Mumei Karaoke, an average Ina stream and less than what Gura would get if she actually streamed, less than Kanata playing a 2016 game, is honestly a failure straight up.
>>49746803
She used to get 3k, Enna got 1.5k and gets 3.5k now, even Pomu still gets around 2k
1K is barely a 4 view, if she keeps it up she'll be with Finana.

Selen is self sabotaging for her graduation. Probably renewed the contract and regrets it now after all the drama that followed.

>>49787457
A drawing stream from a chuba known as the le gamer is now the deciding factor, gotcha

>>49747014
leech off tempus?
what kind of parallel world did i step into ?

>>49751840
Why even get so mad at a hack 'n slash game, also did everyone have to play that game after Pomu got a huge boost from her playthrough? I really liked Pomu's playthrough though, it felt authentic and fun like everyone discovered a hidden gem at the same time and rode it through to the end.

>>49789259
>everyone discovered a hidden gem
Are you for real nigger

>>49790839
Zoomers be discovering old games after funny video online

>>49746745
Isn't she planning to exit Niji anyway?

>>49791995
MGR is like 10 years old, surely we don't have literal 12 year old children on this board

As expected her numbers were the usual last night.

>>49795702
Some of the people here aren't much older, Shirley

>>49797004
None of you act like it.

>>49797519
I disagree, many of the people here act like they're not much older than 12

>>49746745
we?

>>49746745
>who we drawing
niji-ebonics, boosted pred

>>49795702
I don't know about this board, but I have seen people around on the internet talking about how FNAF scared them when they were 6 years old or how the 2016 election was the first world event they can remember. I may be a Zoomer, but these people are actual children.

>>49746745
i feel bad for her, but she choose to be a homobegger champion and collab with fags.
nothing to be worth saving.
if she was pure , i hope she can replace kronii,
but meh forget it.

>>49803556
>t.holofaggot thinking collabing with men is a bad thing

>>49803591
noticed how all her numbers and nox went for huge nosedive after the collabs happened?
reality is a bitch ain't it faggot

>>49748313
>doesn't buy merch
same shit

>>49803644
I know you're baiting, but she's always collabed with men, especially non vtuber men...and she's always had the higher numbers of the non-males in the branch. So I'm not sure what you're saying.

>>49804123
once the novelty wore off, no1 cared to stay.
u can see it live now with the homocollabs with kronii and the fags.
before 7-10k easily
now 3-4k
fauna mumei? surpass her regularly now at least they play a role and that's enough.

>>49746745
Just let her go through her apex arc bro

>>49746745
with who