/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>50386115
Mehloposter is nice, I hope he's feeling better.

GOOOOOD MORNING /FVR/!
We had some interesting events happen overnight while I was away. Can't keep calm for one minute, can you? Either way, let's get the upcoming schedules out of the way
Nyana will be streaming on Friday and Saturday, collabing with Abby on Friday in super bunny man and play guitar hero on Saturday. Make sure to tune into for yellow cat and feesh!
Juwun will be streaming tommorow, and I'm looking foward to what his schizo stream is, things like that are always interesting.
The guerilla gang is still around so keep an eye out for notifications for those unannounced streams!
Finally I'll be leaving you with today number, a nice relaxing song, "White rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane
https://youtu.be/pnJM_jC7j_4
I hope we all have a good day and watch out for Charleis!

>>50386598
Glad to see you Adrianon, nice work keeping spirits up

I really do love you, /fvr/.

>>50386883
Same friendo. Luv flavr, luv the talents, luv the anons, simple as.
Hope everyone feels better after a good night's sleep.

>>50386883
You too anon!

>>50387097
Three cheers!

>>50387189

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>>50387552
I wonder if there are any pirate games....

>>50387552

>>50387670

>>50387607
Sea of Thieves is what comes to mind. Its a really pretty and interesting game but its locked to being an online only game

>>50387798
Nyana does like playing with the audience. Maybe a good weekend game to play?

>>50387889
We don't talk about games a lot I realize, I wonder what everyone's favorite type of game is.

>>50388100
>sad Nyana
Idol Nyana is better.

>>50388188

>>50387889
>weekend game
I would say so, I think they designed it with something like that in mind. Just get on the ship and start adventuring with your buddies for a couple hours.

>>50388454
From what I'm looking at it seems so. It's not very in depth, but something fun to play with folks. More casual then something you'd sink hours into.
Speaking of hours I hope Rat posts soon, she's cool.

>>50388627
Raimi is cool and funny, and I need more art of her No seriously, I got like, under 10 images, I'm gonna need more if im gonna make posts.

Nayvell unprivated her last ASMR/Whisper stream for anyone that missed it. Not sure when she did but I dont think anyones mentioned it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0eMjUirc4c
ice cream woman cute

>>50388849
rat is great

>>50388973
She's surpringly good at it, very nice.
>>50389246
Her streams are very comfy, I hope she sticks around. She's a good conversationalist too like Sena, so it's never boring.

I choose to go to sleep and my Oshi, Sawa, graduated from FlaVR. WTF happened, bros?!

>>50389722
Ehh, backroom "drama", which is gay, so she said "lol lamo". I should've listed her under a flavr friend, but I was drunk.
You can still post her if you want imo, she's cool.

>>50389878
>I was drunk
Damn it OP, I thought you went to rehab.

>>50389722
Sawa will always be a part of FlaVR, whether she likes it or not

>>50390014
Sawa is a cool cat (I would post a picture but I have none of her)

>>50389878
The thread's probably going to evolve into some kind of X variant so don't worry about classifying the chuubas for now.

>>50390014
Yes

>>50389722
https://twitter.com/SourGrapeVA/status/1663086638740783104
Did she make a new "official" FlaVR Twitter account just for the joke?

>>50390165
Yeah, I could see us evolving into something like TsunX. Not the worse fate imo, we're still able to talk about the talents here in one place then.
>>50390183
Based if so, both the account and lawsuit.

>just watched last night's nyana stream
Damn bros gato crying really hit me where it hurts I hope she's doing okay

>>50390385
The fact everything started literally went I went to bed was so crazy I laughed when i woke up and saw it all. I'm slightly busy now can you give me a quick summary of what she said? I really hope she feels better though.

>>50390545
Probably better to watch the vod, its only half an hour long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBRNlVIDGss

>>50389722
Check last thread.
Nyana is the only Pippa creation left. Everyone else graduated.

UUUUUU I miss Minta
https://twitter.com/AmintheAraminta/status/1663111997947363333

>>50390616
Minna also walked back removing the tag, who knows if that will stick though

>>50390651
Its kind of hilarious and sad to see sweet get sidelined by this, its kind of obvious they weren't in the loop at all

>>50390651
Fucking lol, peak comedic timing.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT KEYBOARDS AND GATCHA LIZARD, SET SOMWTHING UP WHEN TOU CAN

>>50389878
I still don't know what's going on. Only that FlaVR support dude is working on something in another discord(?) and now Brolime is a postmodern Vtuber? I only follow Sawa, Brolime, and Mixie, so I'm outta the loop on what's been going on.
Man, I just followed Sawa into this place, I'm scared. Especially when Nyana was crying on Stream about this.

>>50390580
So what I'm getting
>there's conceren about the Kuro account being considered "official"
>It's getting messages unironiclly telling them they should do more for the talents despite being a meme account
>The original group decides that they need to emphasize they are indie circle, not a corpo
>account changes name, group decides on a personal level if they want to keep/remove the tag
>Feelings about it are mixed about what to do even in the original group, some do, some don't, etc.
>Nyana thinks the post was too long and people won't read it to understand them, making it pointless
>most people will generalize it and make assumptions which might be bad and harm them
>She's even conflicted about it all anyways.
So overall something that is a somewhat logical idea (considering people like spooki keep coming up and I'm sure they dont want that) but is really poorly executed to where even some of the people who supported it have mixed feeling on it. I hope she feels better, and I'll still be watching FlaVR streams, including Sweet and Raimi.
>>50390580
MINTA, I NEED MY LIZARD ZATSU FIX

I go and take a vacation and decide to touch grass for the last week and everything is falling apart at the seams. I won’t ever touch grass again bros, I promise.

It’s my opinion that whether they have the FlaVR tag or not that they should still be considered part of the /fvr/ thread though. I don’t think there’s really any changes to make other than the fact some of the girls are just making themselves more approachable. The community remains the exact same and the girls will continue to interact with each other in the same capacity. The only thing that will probably change is the pool of new, willing chuubas interested will probably be much less often with how splintered the “brand” is now.

>>50391397
The fact this shit went down immediately after I went to bed still makes me laugh, like wtf?

>>50391383
yeah thats pretty much it, it's an understandable situation that was handled incredibly poorly.

>>50391397
The dynamics of the group haven't changes a lot, but I do agree with Nyana that that post was a tl;Dr moment for a lot of people who see it. Some short tweet or Twitter thread about their reasons would've been a bit more digestible imo.
Seriously people's attention span has fucking cratered, God damn. It's not THAT long.

So what's up with the psy op is it just one schizo or is there a group? They don't seem to be around here at the moment because no one is calling everyone grifters and leeches and saying they should all graduate right now.

wait did people really treat this like a corpo and not a bunch of random indies using a general concept to hang out together and let's be frank give themselves a quick install base out of the gate since starting as a literal 0view is absolute hell
I only keep up with one flavr girl and I'll tell you right now if they dropped the name or flat-out reincarnated I wouldn't bat an eye

>>50390792
>Nyana is the only member of Pippa's FlaVR concept left.
>>50390792
>Its kind of hilarious and sad to see sweet get sidelined by this, its kind of obvious they weren't in the loop at all

If there's nothing left of Pippa's FlaVR concept, do they even get to call themselves FlaVR any more? If you thought the complaints about grifters were bad before, they're just going to get worse and worse.

>>50391877
I say tourists who didn't read the doc. There are some Pippa antis, but they've mostly moved on to other angles to go after her than FlaVR.
>>50391939
Apparently. All it proves is Twitter is full of idiots who don't watch streams and can't meme. Like, come on, who the hell spams a Twitter account to get results? Hololive isn't going to make Gura stream of you DM them, a fucking meme account can't make stuff out of thin air. People need to stop taking the internet so seriously.

>>50391939
the main issue is the main flavr "corpo" account (that all of the talents and pippa follow) made a post that made 90% of the people who saw it think "Well, looks like FlaVR is dead, it was a good run", which isn't helped by Pippa and the other talents alluding to that end as well.

>>50392208
It baffles me that people were spamming that account's DMs trying to push it to give the girls stuff. Like, what? They have thrones and stuff and regularly tell you how to help them, how does doing that help?

>>50392347
no idea why they didn't just turn off open DMs if that was an issue, seems like an easier fix than just throwing in the towel

>>50390183
https://twitter.com/SourGrapeVA/status/1663104519973003264

>>50392149
>Hololive isn't going to make Gura stream if you DM them
Holy kek anon, you made me choke on my drink, imagine being the dude who runs the HoloEN twitter account.
>>50392433
Remember, this is Twitter. Even the people we like aren't exactly the smoothest of operators, and it might not just be the main account who was getting DMs like that.

>>50392620
She really is a mad scientist, only a crazy person would do that! :^)

>>50391383

This is a big effort post but I'll give my take on this: FlaVR was born a meme but the members made it real, they are FlaVR. But FlaVR is attracting too much drama, it gives people the wrong impression and does make it so no one "owns" it which makes control impossible. It outlived its usefulness as a meme.
But having a sort of brand that connects its members as brothers and sisters born from this wild idea that became real still serves its purpose.
Rebrand them. FlaVR under a different name is still FlaVR.
There's no point in hiding who they are and come from but they don't need to be tied to it as long as they are together.
And no longer being part of a fake corpo makes it easy to tell they are simply indies.
So what can neo-flavr be? Just a network, a private circle of friends. They could join a talent agecny or a corpo that would take them in and still be part of it. It would not conflict with them at all.
It's just a symbolical form of saying hey yeah we are still part of this but we have grown past its early form.
I hate seeing Nyana cry, it seriously hurt me. I think she does not want her group of friends to fall apart and go their own ways.
I also think they could change their names and designs slightly. Sena took a step towards that with her partial redesign though she kept the name.
Popcorn Rin could become Poppy Karin. She could lose one ribbon and get a bow and change her sweater for a hoodie.
Nyana's design changed since very very early, the only thing she retains that is the name. I am sure there are many ways to make a distinctly different yet similar name to "Nyana".

I'll even throw you a name for the group so it feels like a more plausible idea.
Call it Tast-E group or crew or gang or network, anything that makes it clear it's not a company but just an informal social circle. Is Tast-E taken? Ok then use Yumm-E instead. Don't get stuck on minor details, this is just an example.
They don't need to add it to their tag, or their name, just a small footnote on their youtube or twitter, a pinned tweet, saying "part of the Tast-E group (not a corpo) which was originally the first group of FLaVR" would seriously be enough.

A last bit, make an account for this but but keep DM's closed and don't make it very active. Just enough to show signs of life and act as a PR extension of the group that keeps its nature clear and its face but not much else.
And any sort of public message has to come in two forms, the long detailed form for people who can read and the short take for the rest.

I like FlaVR, I was there when it was created and contributed to it. Even the idea of using flavours as a theme was something I brought up on stream. I enjoyed it a lot and I don't think this would be the death of FlaVR but simply an evolution. Whether they go this path or not it's up to everyone else but I hope they can find a way to keep the dream alive despite the challenges it faces and adapting is just necessary sometimes and I want Nyana to be happy.
>SHORT FORM OF THIS POST
>SHORT FORM OF THIS POST
>SHORT FORM OF THIS POST

FlaVR is the friends we made along the way.
Rebrand would not be the end of FlaVR but simply its evolution.
It's not a company, just a group of friends, keep it simple. Slightly tweak designs and names to start fresh but no need to wipe out everything and start from 0.
Call it Tast-E or Yumm-E group,friends,gang,crew, whatever.

>>50392658
>not just be the main account who was getting DMs
It looks like that might've been the case
https://twitter.com/DrLolimeFlaVR/status/1663045610398793730
Would explain why they did it, even if it could've been handled better.
>>50393247
>Name pipkin timeloop
Goddamn it, not again.Respect the effort post tho.

>>50393444
Look man we are past timeloops at this point.
When there's a stable status quo and people nitpick shit for no reason, just because nothing is going on and they repeat shit that has been the flavour of the month topic before that's a timeloop.
When shit is actually happening and the situation is a make it or break it moment and a crossroads presents itself where choices matter it's not a timeloop, it's the present and the moment to make a choice.
There are paths that lead to FlaVR falling apart entirely and multiple members quitting, paths that lead to them splitting off on their own lonely way but I'd like to believe there are paths where they at least remain together and the future can look bright.
But it boils down to the choices we make right now.
The choices they make regarding how they handle things but even the choices we make regarding what we support and express to them.

>>50393873
pal, nyan herself said the original group was mixed on the tag thing, and redesigning everything is not a good decision at all. Also Minta came back from vaycay and Nyana is collabing with Abby on Friday. Take a breath and slow down.

>>50394476
This, no reason to be alarmist and jump to a total rebranding, that just confuses the whole issue further.
Best way to do it is to treat the tweet as if it doesn't exist and just continue as normal.
If the tweet wasn't posted and this happened quietly there would be shit, but not a total fucking meltdown like whats happening here.

>>50393444
Is it just me or does this tweet read as someone skinwalking as kinolime? Doesn't really read like something she would post and for the most part she has kept herself at arms length with the rest of flavr outside of 1 or 2 collabs from what I can tell.

>removes FlaVR tag to alledgedly avoid drama
>unironically creates a bigger drama than the niicola one

why are vtubers so dumb, this should have been done on a per talent basis

>>50394728
Didn't sena already do it beforehand anyways lol

>>50394476
>>50394604
>>50394728
Ok let's wait it out.
This seems to have grown past the tweet but it's still up to the guys streaming.
If they can look past the current drama and decide they still want to keep things the way they are now that's fine.
I admit I am being alarmist in tone here but I just consider that a proactive preemptive approach, a way to avoid more potential issues down the line and take advantage of the current moment which is a good opportunity to pull this move.
I think it'd be better if everyone is on board and it can be pulled off smoothly. But if some are on the fence then it's better to wait it out.

I will say that it's never a dull moment with FlaVR. Makes me wanna speed up my debut plans so I can join in on the fun, if I'm being honest.

>>50394728
Everyone know you've got to be a bit menhara to decide to be a vtuber, and when you're menhara you don't make the best decisions. At least nobody is leaving the internet or streaming.
>>50394679
>skinwalking
wat
>>50394930
I have a feeling the DM thing has been going for a while now, and considering Sena is the high 2 view with a full rig, she's probably gotten a lot of those from new people finding her. Put a lot of stuff into context too if she's been getting these on a semi-regular basis.
>>50395014
Caution isn't a bad thing, but a full overlook shows that htis isn't a bad as it was mad out to be. we wait and see, then go forward.

>>50395218
I mean someone using Kinolimes account to tweet, wouldn't be the first time, her and brolime have switched around accounts before in the past

>>50386115
This might just be a rrat but I feel like the person who doxxed Mehlo might’ve been a talent which is why they’re all leaving. And if nyana is one of the only people left then I feel like that person was either her or one of the talents closest to her.
Idk it just feels so sudden but everything has gone downhill since mehlo’s graduation.

>>50395349
Didn't know that. Still she did join to make friends; having DM spammed by tourists and vtweeter isn't exactly great when you try to start convos with people who actually stream with the FlaVR tag (eg Raimi)

>>50395437
Very unlikely its nyana, mehlo is apparently still attending her concert next month, she wouldn't be doing that if they were on bad terms, bad rrat do some more reps.

>>50395437
Nobody's decided to stop streaming, it seems folks on Twitter though FlaVR was a real corpo and were spamming the main account and the girls DMs for it to support the girls. This was making it unfun to stream, and the botched how they were telling everyone they're an indie circle.
I'm seriously starting to think no one read the tweet or watched Nyanas stream on this. Like yellow cat said, It's a logical choice handled in the dumbest way.
Also>>50395753

Good morning joeverbros how are we coping with FlaVR being kill?

>>50395984
im on the second bottle of vodka already

>>50391939
twittards apparently thought FlaVR is a real corpo and not a doujin circle that's tangentially related to Pippa. There's also apparently someone who used a FlaVR character to boost her "real" vtuber account or something like that

>>50395984
apology for poor english
where were you when flavr dies?
i was sat at home eating pumice when brolime ring.
"flavr is kill"
"no"

>>50395984
I've been drinking the whole weekend

>>50390165
I seriously doubt the thread will live on at all. It will likely just become less and less frequent and eventually die. The TsunX thread had about as many IPs at its lowest as this thread has had at its highest

>>50396166
All I've learn from this is twitter is full of actually brain-dead morons who can't meme at all and make more assumptions and rrats than anyone here. Also they don't watch streams either, the bastards.

>>50396340
Dude nothing has changed. No one is graduating and FlaVR still exists, a few people won't be using the tag anymore but they are still part of FlaVR

>>50395437
Nyana is a very kind and sweet girl, her heart is in the right place. She would never ever do something that bad, never.
I think even considering that possibility horribly misguided and irresponsible.

>>50396555
Besides Sena who is dropping the tag?

>>50396148
>>50396228
Hell yeah. I'm not a morning drinker, so I won't be popping the bottle yet, but today might be a good day to check out happy hour

>>50396555
I can't say I will miss it when the thread dies because lately it has just been art image dumps and basically no discussion

I feel bad for Niicola

>>50396673
at this point, just abi, and kinolime, Minna seems to have backed out of it and brolime is rebranding entirely so nothing really changes at this point, literally a bunch of manufactured drama over an actual nothingburger.
as several other people have said, this literally wouldnt be an issue if the fucking main twitter hadnt had to go and post about it.

>>50396817
kinda surprised about Abi there

>>50396904
same with kinolime, shes always seemed a bit removed from the rest of flavr a bit, kind of like minta, so its a bit surprising coming from her as well.

>>50395804
badass pic

>>50396673
It seems even that was because newcomers to her stream though she was an actual corpo streamer who was being poorly cared for. And when that plan didn't work, they decided to clarify they're an indie circle in the most convoluted way.
>>50396724
tbf midday stream make it a bit scarce, so there's not much to talk about beyond maybe games or anime plus there's wagies who don't want to get caught by their IT department. There is convo when streams happen (reminder Sena is streaming Scribble.io today)
>>50396817
Minna put it back up, So it's the Lolime's, Abby, and Sena as of right now, who all still want to stream and are active. It doesn't seem like the end of the world and nobody's leaving it seems.
I really want Kinolime to stream, I need that CK2 Kino NOW.

>>50397342
*LACK of midday streams. fatfingered it, sorry lads.

Just remember this is all Niicolas fault

Most likely me being schizo but all this drama strangely happening after juwun's first schizopost. He crossed out his name but kept the FlaVR tag. All the doxxing drama also happened after his hiatus? Correct me if I'm wrong but Melho graduated after he announced his hiatus. He's been awfully silent about the whole thing too.

>>50397499
Juwun Simp is gonna fuck you up if you keep that line of thinking pally.

first the they say that the tag removal is due to "being asociated with unsavory people that might put on the tag as well". wich most of everyone called it bullshit because no such thing has happened after the initial month of FLaVR (to my knowledge atleast)
so now they change the narrative to "people have been DMing talents nonstop" wich is very possible but you can always just set it to private?

either you give me a concrete answer or ill just stop trusting your words altogether

>>50397499
Hell yeah new rrat just dropped

>>50397707
Just pack it up dude, Flavr was always doomed to this fate

>>50397491
Fuck off faggot

>>50397499
bruh stop trying to point fingers at people for marie leaving.
It's more likely abi (she went on break around the same time) and juwun were disenfranchised by what happened to marie at the time and decided to take a step back, Juwun has a model to debut as well (if its finished, i think thats what this upcoming stream might be)
either way marie chose to not point fingers at people so its probably best to respect her wishes

>>50397499
I approve of this rrat.

>>50397342
Pretty unfortunate situations, getting newcomers is great in theory so it's a shame it turned out like that.
The distinction between corpo and anything else is indeed hard to explain to many vtuber fans who are exclusively used to corpo and indie only. The new streamer talent agencies that have popped up lately are a good example that shows people struggling to understand the concept.
Remember the threads of people unironically believing Mythic was going to be shit because oh my god they accepted that nux taku grifter guy as if it was a normal corpo where membership had such weight when it's just meant to be a huge group of unrelated people who just outsource some services to the agency.
I think maybe trying to explain things to newcomers would be less disruptive than entirely removing the tag, I think having it made everyone seem like they belonged to something special. The appeal of the flavors theme is a bit lost when the "members" are no longer connected. Sena almost dropped it entirely, she's more of a bear vtuber than she ever was a cinnamon vtuber but she still mentions being a cinnamon bear on her bio and her linktree still has the FlaVR discord but perhaps she just hasn't updated that yet.
I do wish she still made some mention of being born from FlaVR somewhere but maybe she really wants to grow and move on while retaining the character and audience but not being held back by being tied to the group.

But you know, maybe it doesn't matter? If the real flavr are the friends we made along the way, does it matter if they have a tag or not? We know where they came from. Their fans know. Maybe new viewers won't but it's not something that is kept as a secret so they will learn too. On a practical level losing that uniformity does lessen the appeal of each member individually but maybe that's worth it to some of them for the other benefits.

>>50397707
>Spooki keeps popping up like a cancer and keep trying to worm his way in
>Twitter is full of morons who think that FlaVR is a real corpo
Both can happen. In fact, I'd put money on that spooki (and folks like him) were also sending stuff too.

>>50397993
Based friendship anon.

>>50397499
I'm pretty sure Marie said it wasn't a male, so Juwun is out. Still a good rrat for what it was.

mehlo needed

>>50397237
Thanks, have another

>>50398655
Mehloposter, welcome back! How's your day going?

>>50396624
>>50395804
>>50395753
That’s why it could be another talent that nyana is close to and the others aren’t. The concert thing is a good point though. Idk for sure everything is a rrat till anything gets proven. But nothing will get proven at this rate so it’s probably just easier to not worry about it. The only one I ever have or ever will care about is mehlo and I hope if she rebrands it’ll be relatively easy to find her.
I still think the doxxing was probably the biggest contributor to everyone leaving regardless of whether it was an inside job or not. None of them seem egocentric so I doubt any of them left because they thought they were too good for future talents. I think something bad happened.

>>50398753
im pretty sure my computer shares my health problems

>>50398781
Speculation at this point is pointless unless more stuff comes out
>>50398930
Oh shit, you okay? Came down with what Adrianon had or something?

>>50399047
i have no clue what my issue is
its probably fine but i may need to get a new computer soon

I missed the Marie dox arc so how bad was it?
Other twitter/PL online only? Face ? Name? Address?
Was it only posted here or did someone share it on twitter too?

>>50393247
Good post. I agree, keep it loose and informal.
Personally, I feel FlaVR should have been the original canon created by Pippa and Gen2 by Panko. There was no need to create new waves by the "community". I'm not attacking anybody that came after (I've enjoyed Mehlo, Jubi, etc.) but that's just my personal preference to keep things small and consistent, and avoiding drama.

>>50399643
Fingerprints, shoe size, DNA sequence.

>>50399643
she called it a leak and not a dox, so i think it's
more along the lines of sharing information without her knowing

>>50399643
nobody knows, she only referenced it in her graduation stream, so its likely it was contained to the talent discord. apparently it was only some of her PL content

>>50399643
seeing as no one but the talents know it doesnt seem to be very bad

>>50399394
>new computer
I know how that feels pal
>>50399643
Nothing was actually posted or found at all, so whatever was leaked was taken down/removed so fast nobody noticed it, which is good since Marie's safe. Still sucks though.
Also I was thinking; what would be some good game besides Zelda for the girls to play? Since the take recommendations sometimes and read the thread, maybe we can talk about some that they might be interested in?

>>50399706
>>50399812
>>50399841
>>50399926
Ok it's far less bad than I thought. I'm actually relieved.

>>50400009
Yeah. I would say a lot of our drama is noteworthy, but tends to wind up way overblown. I'm still glad everyone's still wants to stream imo.

>>50398655
Mehlo keep the thread calm and cool

>>50400003
You mean games they might enjoy, or games that would get views, or games that would entertain their fans?
Games they might enjoy really depends on their taste. Games that can get views is tricky since popular stuff has more people interested but once everyone has seen a playthrough hey lose interest.
Games that can be entertaining also depends on the strengths of the vtuber.
I'd say the safest form of games for vtubers are those that provide them with a lot of stuff they can react to or comment about and have some discussion with the chat.
Stuff that has them think of creative ways to deal with situations. And stuff that can make them react in a strong way.
Horror is good because it gets fun scared reactions. Stuff like GTA is good because it's basically a movie and has a lot of fun stuff streamers can react to as well and the gameplay is open world so the vtuber can actually take advantage of it and drive around and do violence if they want. It's why those are Vtuber staples.
Visual novels let vtubers read stuff in character which can let them be expressive and try out something new.
Stuff like Phasmophobia style games are very good because they mix horror, some panic/crisis situations that make streamers scream and rush around and they put them together in tough situations where some people can pull through and be MVP's or others can be cowards and it's just in general fun and creates a lot of funny vtuber moments together.
Minecraft is fun if enough people play it so they can create stuff and react to each other's creations and if the streamers themselves either are good at creating complex stuff or have the interest in learning or are at least good at talking alone a lot and basically mining/ putting blocks becomes just a big zatsu with gameplay.
"Rare" games have a strong appeal just because they are unique and uncommon. This can apply to good old games rarely played or just niche games.
Games that are punishing but doable put streamers on tough spots and push them to persevere and the pay off from beating them is a satisfaction shared with the audience, stuff like metal gear revengeance or Mario 64.
I find games that offer players a lot of freedom also very good at letting them express themselves, take chat input and create their own fun and inside jokes with the characters and places. A good example is skyrim, I've seen vtubers spend a lot of time just travelling, doing zatsu, making builds, befriending random NPC's and making inside running jokes.

Finally I'd also say that one of the best form of game streams are games that can be completed in a few streams. 1 or up to 3. Stuff they can pick up and play and see fully completed quickly enough that their audience does not lose interest or gets left behind.
A lot of games are pretty short and can be done this way. This is one of the issues for instance that Kiara faces because she enjoys very long games and actually sticks to them which is cool but it costs her viewers retention.
When it comes to player skill a generally compatible ballpark is ideal.
Don't have a player pick something up they are far too incapable of handling, but something a little challenging for their level makes for a fun experience because people can see them learn.

So top list of my recommendations:
Phasmophobia (collab)
Minecraft
Metal Gear Revengeance
Skyrim
Mario 64
Any of the GC Resident Evil remakes
Any Gen 1-4 Pokemon game
Hatoful Boyfriend
Panzermadels: Tank Dating Simulator
No More Heroes

>>50400732
>Metal Gear Revengeance
My man, amazing taste
>Panzermadels: Tank Dating Simulator
Is that by the same people who did the DPRK Dating statire VN? I vaugely remember that.
I would also suggest GTA IV, mostly because it one I haven't seen played and has a good story that really sucks you in. Plus we're hitting that nostalgia cycle, so we're about to get a bunch of people who are nostalgic about 2000's games, which does have some good shit.

>>50400732
MyHouse.wad, it's the hot new thing; it's spooky and nostalgia at the same time!

>>50401034
>GTA 4 came out in 2008, nearly 20 years ago
God, I feel old.

>>50401034
Ok I missed GTA, I am embarrassed. Any 3D GTA is good, if they play the PS2 era games they should use the original release not the new rockstar collection version, which are just PSP ports and not the high quality originals.
4 and 5 are fine too. All GTA games have fun writing, great voice acting and solid gameplay, they all offer good gameplay freedom, they are all solid.
5 is obviously the better looking one but it's also the most played game so more people have watched it already.
Also yes Panzermadels is by the same people behind Stay! Stay! Democratic People's Republic of Korea! the satirical game that parodies the game Go! Go! Nippon! ~My First Trip to Japan~.
It's a very weird and funny game where you date the personifications of tanks, it's very simple and easy to get into it and not too long and it's not voiced so it's perfect for vtubers to make up funny character voices for each girl.

>>50400732
I know Mixie's doing it, but what about New Vegas? It's a good long term one to pick, and you don't have to stick with it the entire time.

Man, overreaction central today are we?
>Response from the talents to “rebrand” was an overreaction
>Tweet by main account guy was an overreaction
>Response to the whole thing by /fvr/ and the broader community has been an overreaction
>People thinking that the group is dead and we need a new “XFlaVR” thread or a rebranding effort is an overreaction
Bros chill, nothing is changing. They didn’t do a good job articulation this but nothing is really changing.

>>50401508
Good writing and gameplay, offers a lot of freedom, good downtime to zatsu and story bits to react to.
A well known IP but the game is not overplayed.
I think it's a solid choice. I've watched some of her streams of it.
The only drawback as you said is that it's kinda long. So it can be hard to finish and if it goes too long viewers might have a harder time keeping up.

>>50401390
>4 and 5 are fine too. All GTA games have fun writing, great voice acting and solid gameplay, they all offer good gameplay freedom, they are all solid.
Your damn right, Niko best protag.
>SS DPRK
Ah Ha, I was right, it was those guys! Damn shame what happened to them while they were making their next game, luckily someone else is picking it up and finishing it.

>>50400607
mehlo keeps the schizo away

>>50401764
AIEEEEE IT BUR-

>>50401622
>kinda long
Yeah, there's not a lot of short form rpgs like that. There's always Fallout 1 or 2 (1's tighter) if shooters ain't there thing and they want the story and rp too.

mehlo makes everything better

>>50401979
True.

>>50401972
Nyana if you're reading this don't be, get out of here for your own mental health, but while you're ignoring me you should do a yoga stream

>>50391731
It's not the reader's fault when you make the opening sentence a joke. Kuro co is meant to be a joke company as well. Why would you blame the reader when it's written like that. Just write REAL ANNOUNCEMENT on the tweet bro.

"Effective immediately, Kuro Company will be ceasing management of the FlaVR brand and pivoting into the much more lucrative field of talent scouting, bringing you all the best the VTubing field has to offer."

>>50398074
>spooki
I believe some anon from /here/ managed to warn nayvell about it and she no longer follows him or something?
can't check twitter right now due to work so im unsure

>>50402262
Yeah I think so. Surprised how dedicated they are to trying to slide into here.

>>50402262
she’s still following him.

We are doing a bunch of movies watchalong in the Jubicord if anyone is interested in hanging out.

https://twitter.com/Raimi_Ricotta/status/1663280886039691265

>>50404501
Based Gamer Rat with the clutch move.

>>50404501
I want to see the rat get full body tracking.

>>50403755
I'm out at dinner, sorry :(

>>50404501
rat rat WE LOVE THE RAT

>>50401508
>>50401622
Not to mention that New Vegas Ultimate Ed. is free on epic games last I checked today so if theyre even considereing the could nab it for no payment.

>>50405378
This rrat is built for Pressing.

>>50406681
Our Rat isn't Bae, silly Anon, she's smug and smart.

>>50405708
Doesn't epic require an account? Seems a bit execcessive to get a game you can get on steam.
Still better than Fallout 3.

>>50407083
That doesn't change the fact that I'm pushing her down and engaging in intense baby making with her, anon.

>>50396624
lol lmao

>>50407417
this rrat seems based enough to carry enough weaponry to prevent anyone she remotely deems a threat away.

>>50407417
>Anon is willing to risk jail time
You still ain't getting a gfe from her bruh, and she'll kick your ass.

>>50407192
Yeah its just a game launcher like steam. pic because I find the wall of log in options they give you a little silly.

>>50407981
Bruh, that list is cancer.

>>50407417
im going to arm the rat with a gun soon

>>50407920
>GFE
Nah, just making kids and satisfying my lust for rrats.
>>50407848
>>50408755
Worth the risk.

who the hell is spooki?

>>50408997
Groomer creep who hasn't left apparently. Wants to be leader of FlaVR or something idk. We thought he gave up, guess not.

>>50408997
Shiina's groomer turned anti from /wvt/

>>50409501
>Shiina's groomer
That explains so fucking much.

>tfw away for the weekend and come back to wall-to-wall doomposting

>>50410406
Welcome to the past 24 hours. Everyone who normally stops by has been coming in and out to see what the hell happened. I'm glad to see we do have a lot of people who check in though, but SEA hours last night was bad going off the archive.

>>50408845
>He thinks the rat will lose
Lol. Lamo even

update: on the third bottle of vodka and listening to support and co sing the evangelion theme
I miss FlaVR already bros, why did it end like this

>>50397893
do your reps she said she loves Abi in her graduation stream.

https://twitter.com/Raimi_Ricotta/status/1663321677155975169

Late to the party, but I need to vent.
I feel like this has been caused by a combination of unityfags / collabbeggars and "FlaVR is an open source project, so anyone can join". You can't have it both ways, either you keep asking and encouraging people to join, or you keep FlaVR as a small but unified group.
But what seems to have happened is that people kept encouraging others to join, while also telling the original group to support/collab with anyone who joined later.
I saw some complaining that the Kuro account wasn't tweeting about every girl, but that account isn't official or anything, so what was stopping you from creating your own account? Instead of putting the responsibility of supporting the girls you like on others, why not do it yourself? Oh, right, because that account would not get Pippa's follow, so there was no point. Better to keep asking people to join FlaVR and ask the already established group to raid/collab with them.
Let's just agree to support the girls we like and that collabbeggars deserve the rope.

>>50412217
I'll post it here.

>>50412217
Tears of the Kingdom - 6pm PDT Today
Lets go!!

>Edgy Pokemon game
Maybe Clover? That'd be so good

>>50412237
I thought that stuff died out after a while, or at least here i didnt see it that much. I don't use Twitter or discord at all so I don't know what goes on beyond what they tweet.

>>50411290
>doomposting when there's still streams

>>50411290
Sum up the stream, I'm not watching 3 hours.

>>50412881
people just doomposting because a couple of people removed 5 letters form their names

I'm just happy that if you can call this an experiment or not, it has allowed a lot of guys and girls to jumpstart an indie career, albeit quite small, support from Pippa and such has given them a lot more of a jumping off point when compared to other indies.

>>50413016
Are people still streaming? If yes, then it's all good. If not, then yeah, then an issue there might be.
Seriously, Nyana was right, the idea was alright but handled in the worst way. And then theres a fucking THREE HOUR LONG doomposting stream while Brolime goes "jk lamo, drama is dumb". A tweet thread would've been better.
>>50413339
Same. I'm just oddly frustrated at how something so simple was handled in the worst way.
Also fuck discord. It's unsafe, unsecured, and always causes fucking drama when ever it's used for some reason.

>>50411290
someone get this make a thread to bake frfr

MIXIE LIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtrIPh7M6i8

rrat room is up. 75 min till
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN2LMBz_EIQ

>>50414033
10/10 thumbnail

Anyone able to give a QRD on the drama? Should I just watch the Support stream? Been away for a few days and feel like a dramatic amount of stuff happened all at once.

>>50414387
Reading back should give a good enough idea, no easy QRD

>>50414387
The support stream was a bunch of nothing

>>50414387
Niicola ruined everything.

>>50414387
The support stream is 30% doomposting, 40% shitposting, and 20% of the actual important stuff. Like, I had to sit trough some hardcore depression doomposting, and the fact Mixie is streaming shows that it was being overthought to hell.

If the "main" Kuro Corp twitter account created an issue of people thinking there is an actual company, then why not just delete it and stop the company larp. There are plenty of indie circles like thesouthsidegang or girlsFC that have none of these issues at all.
I also call bullshit on naming this as the reason for it after the fact. The real reasoning they initially named was "because its open source and thus bad actors could be FlaVR" and doing that right after the Niicola thing shows very clearly the why.

I also find it a bit dishonest to act like nothing changed and keep wanting to be part everything related to FlaVR like the thread and such but not associate with it officially anymore and being able to pick and choose from their side when when being a part of it is ok and when not.

I can understand distancing yourself from the project to get more of a mainstream appeal and not be linked directly to something that some may find problematic, ergo this being related to AIart, being on 4ch etc. and that is a fair choice they should have. But when you do it, then do it fully. This half-assed approach does come off as grifting because you basically say "We still wanna eat at this table and eat part of your food, but we want the ability to not have to share our food with you anymore or help cleanup afterward."

>>50414033
>thumbnail

>>50415153
Women have a really bad problem of wanting to have their cake and eat it. This seems like one of those cases. The issue is that the way it was presented makes it look like FlaVR is done as a concept, when literally nothing is changing except a few people removing the flavr tag. Talents will still get to choose who to talk with, anybody can still join flavr, and brolime will still be menhera. Even the Kuro Co account is still tweeting about flavr talents like nothing has changed. I agree that the half-assed approach really doesn't look good.

>>50412237
So I'm probably missing some context here, but I've watched happenings with a lot of indies and small corpos and I have conflicting thoughts here.
Yes it is definitely a thing where people expect their friends (in b4 parasociality rants) to be friends with each other by pure wishful thinking, and that just doesn't work and causes friction.
But gatekeeping is a spectrum, "anyone can join" doesn't mean the thread will acknowledge it, >we still expect a vocaroo, some in-thread planning and a non-disastrous first stream last I checked
And on the other side of that, most unityfagging is more about spreading positive vibes for unity that already exists, and collab "begging" is usually more just... dreaming. Yes, anyone who gets pushy about that can help themselves to some rope IMO, but the same is true for getting pushy about a lot of other things. The real problem is with people being the wrong kind of autist and not being willing to take some Ls.

>>50411323
fucking READ my post you dumb nigger I said abi and juwun didnt like what happened to marie so they went on hiatus

Do you guys like chuubas?

>>50415153
It feels weird because going off of their twitters, it seems even the "original" group wasn't uniform in the decision, hell Minna put the tag in her name again, and even Temp kept it. It seem like a small issue (people thinking FlaVR real and grifters) was being dealt with, but how they went about doing it was horribly communicated and confused everyone who saw it.
>>50415674
The account literally retweeted Raimi's schedule and Temps stream. The whole thing can be best summarized as "autism at work" by both the females and males. Truly we are the children of Pippa.
>>50415954
Was there any major serious unityfag or collab begging ITT? I swear it mostly died off after the lineup stabilized outside of "FLAVR LOVE" or, like you said, dreaming.
>>50416217
We love our chubbas, at least I do.

>>50416217
I love Jubi

>>50413339
based
>>50413581
>>50414895
this actually sounds a lot like some irl drama i've had lately. unrelated of course

>>50416217
I do like chuubas

>>50416217
yeah a little
they are funny and cute. makes me happy :)

>>50416261
>Was there any major serious unityfag or collab begging ITT?
That's what I'm saying, I haven't seen any in forever. But the other anon could have been talking about some dicksword inside baseball for all I know.
>>50416217
Hell yes I do, and it's fucking miraculous how many good ones we got ITT.

>>50416217
Yes, chuubas love

>>50390616
This is not true at all. I hate how people are so careless when using the word "graduation". Graduation means "I am stopping streaming". This is not that, this is just "I'm removing the FlaVR tag". It's very different.

>>50416261
ITT there wasn't any unityfagging really, but I do recall there are times where chat will ask about other streamers, the most egregious of that was when chat asked if Minta would meet up with Kinolime or Minna when she goes to Japan. I don't think it's really that bad tho, let alone bad enough to lead to all this.

I just got a bad feeling that something really weird happened behind the scenes that none of us know about because nobody is willing to spill the tea. This makes a prime breeding ground for rrats.

>>50416217
yes, all chuuba good

>>50416648
The only rrat breeding that should be going on is the one between me and Raimi.

>>50416615
wow maybe if their fucking notice was a bit clearer we wouldn't have people jumping to this conclusion

>>50416648
>the most egregious of that was when chat asked if Minta would meet up with Kinolime or Minna when she goes to Japan
Yeah, the indie scene is full of this kind of thing and it's generally well meaning. The kind of people who can remain regular fans of a 2view are a very particular breed, and almost always they want the audience to grow because growth = success in that mindset. I've seriously seen people suggest collabs based on, approximately, "hey I know another chubba who is the same kind of animal-girl".

>>50416892
Ouch. That's not "unclear", it's someone running their fucking mouth before making sure of what the relevant people think it all means.
But like, at this level of organization, the alternative is that schedules don't get consistently posted at all.

>>50416858
until you can show me that you have at least a 6 figure job, along with future prospects, a contained bunker to house her in, along with ample supplies for both everyday and possible apocalypses, AND have genes that are viable for a next generation of rrat children i will not let you within a light year of my based retard rrat bro (female).

>>50415153
You’re not Pippa, you’re just some faggot who probably helped gen and groom some girl off this thread. You don’t get to say who’s grifting, the thread is the biggest grift still vying for phase attention. The streamers, stream because it’s fun. They’re not seeking approval they’re just having fun. Stop trying to control things

>>50393247
Along with this, I think everybody should read the long post from the previous thread >>50379755
The original members aren't leechers, they created the value of the "brand" by actually streaming and making it a reality.

>50417368
Bets on which talent this is?

>>50415674
FlaVR is done as a concept a group of anons ran it into the ground by trying to force themselves into the project and force new characters in. You ruined Pippa’s true will and nature of this fun little thing. I wouldn’t want to be associated with you fags either

>>50417471
from how I have seen people acting
Rika Paprika
fuck that guy

>>50417484
go back to /pcg/

>>50416648
If i had to guess/rrat, FlaVR members were getting DM either on Discord or twitter repeatedly by someone they didn't want to deal with who kept going "we boTh pArt of FlavR, LeT's ColLaB!" or something similar and didn't take a hint. So they decided on this, but botched the announcement hard.
>>50416892
Fucking exactly, amen anon. Just make a tweet thread saying that the "main account" isn't actually managing shit or something, DM aren't open, and the girls collab with who they want to. This is just fucking stupid because, to quote Nyana, "people have the attention span of a goldfish", and are going to come to the most basic bitch conclusion. Plus it's literally sounds like a fucking corpo announcement, when the entire point is to tell people your NOT a corpo, but an indie circle. God, this was so avoidable, it's infuriating; it's just kayfae to another level. Rat, save me with a stream, please.

>>50417471
Kirschey

This really is like vtuber metal gear, with all you spastics going on about your interpretation of 'Pippa's true will' when she's clearly spelt it out on-stream several times.

>>50416261
>>50416648
What worries me the most in this, is that it clearly wasn't one agreed upon decision at all and it seemed like people kind of got strong-armed into going along with the removal. Nyana clearly was sad about it and really didn't want to remove it at all, going by her stream and how she put it back. This and the removal of the tag being a response to Niicola really makes me question if the whole "canon" FlaVR thing might not have gone to head for some of the people, and they feel some entitlement for being the OGs.

Talentcord damage control in full effect.
Don't let them make you forget, four talents decided to ruin things for everyone because they couldn't take the new girl getting high CCV.

>>50417647
>new girl getting high ccv
Raimi? I don't think anybody is complaining about her

>>50417647
>Sena is a high 2-view
>"She's jealous of the new one!"
I like Rat man, but your rrats about rat are weak.

>>50417784
I mean have you ever considered WHY she was the first one to drop the FlaVR handle?

>>50417780
>>50417784
This is all over Niicola getting high CCV on her scuffed debut despite being a "bad actor"

>>50417780
>>50417784
I think he is talking about Niicola, she had like 40ccv on her "debut"

>>50417883
Numbers have never mattered, please use some critical thinking before rrats over someone who’s only streamed once. Don’t let the cola divide us.

>>50417784
He's definitely wrong about this, but, and I dont like #fagging, raimi actually does pull higher ccv than both abi and kinolime, who usually fluctuate in the higher single digits, where Raimi holds strong 2 view status over several hour streams.
>>50417947
>>50417883
40 ccv for a highly anticipated debut (remember, she put this off for like 2 weeks), isn't a big deal, and if they cared so much, they should have been happy that she's stopped streaming right? I don't see why talents would logically have problems with niicola. If she were a real grifter she would keep streaming as niicola, since that account obviously gets higher ccv than her PL does

>>50417847
the rrat is that something happened around the beginning of May and she jumped ship before it got worse. It's just nobody knows what that something is, and until someone leaks it, nobody will ever know

>>50417621
Looking at twitters, outside of Abby, Kinolime, and Sena, everyone still has the tag. Considering that Abby and Nyana have a collab Friday, I'm pretty sure this was left up to everyone individually.
>>50417883
>>50417947
Wait, what? She had mid to high 20's, maybe low 30s, and Sena get over 50 regularly anyway.

guys i fucking love rat, she has such great old school shitposter energy, shes the best thing thats happened to flavr since sweet

>>50417368
No i'm just some Viewer, but thanks for confirming my suspicion that some of the OGs feel like they deserve special treatment and everything since is people grifting off them.
I will now watch the rrat, an actual streamer who does it for fun.

RAT LIVE
https://youtu.be/jN2LMBz_EIQ
https://youtu.be/jN2LMBz_EIQ
https://youtu.be/jN2LMBz_EIQ

>>50418514
FORGET DRAMA
RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT RAT

Time to get cheesy

>>50418453
RAT is brain damaged in Best way

>>50418345
It was more right when they made the announcement. Some like Nyana have since put it back in.

>>50418821
I swear that "some idiot with a flavr tag spammed dms until it got old" rrat explains a lot of shit, especially since they would target Sena too.
Also Rat with the based opinion on the whole thing.

>>50418821
Nyana always had it on her twitter but not on her youtube, she actually added it onto her youtube after everything that happened.
Minna is the only one that walked back removing the tag so so far its only abi/kinolime removing the tag, so literally massive drama over a literally nothing situation

>>50419539
The whole thing feels overblown
Also Senas streaming Scribble.io
https://youtu.be/tNO5Gw-ZO4g

>>50419539
Minna's a mom, she's doing this stuff super casually.

We are still having a big watchalong with a bunch of movies for the rest of the day in the Jubicord. Currently watching a bunch of Adam Sandler. So far we’ve seen:
>Billy Madison
>8 Crazy Nights
>Happy Gilmore
>Click
>And currently watching Mr. Deeds

>>50416261 >>50416274 >>50416287 >>50416291 >>50416470 >>50416542 >>50416856
Nice

>>50409501
Oh god you mean the guy that thought he was in a relationship with her and had a mental breakdown? Actual schizo, toxic as fuck, pathetic and a real piece of shit.

>>50420310
Thanks for the info Jubianon. I don't have a discord, but I'll watch your chubba when I can.I also don't want to get a discord account, as I don't trust discord now.

>>50420639
Fair enough, just thought I’d throw up the info if anyone is interested in just chilling and watching movies tonight

>>50419064
If that was all it was then this whole thing is even more stupid than it already was. Sena already removed the tag way ahead of time and if that still was an issue then obviously the Tag isn't the problem. It also makes that "official" statement even worse because it indirectly throws a lot of shade for nothing if all they wanted was to convey "Hey dipshit, just putting a tag on your twitter doesn't mean you are now best of friends with everyone and are owed anything." and made it out as some huge deal to them by making it a huge deal to everyone.
>>50419539
Rikka and Brolime also don't have the tag anymore and when people checked yesterday with the announcement Nyana also was listed among those not having it anymore. But i will fully admit i got no clue if Nyana removed it or not since i was asleep at the time and i also honestly never paid attention to the tags or so. I didn't even notice Sena removed it way after the fact.
If they hadn't made such a huge deal out of it and make it seem like there was some grand decision by some being made due to what seemed like reaction to the events we DO know of instead of behind the scenes stuff no one knows, ergo DMs then i doubt any of this ever had been an issue to begin with.

MAYBE if they don't want people to take this the wrong way, they should just address the miscommunication and just say what the issue was instead of this vague corpo larp.

>>50421292
Eh, like Raimi said, some people remove 5 letters from their name, now everyone is getting there emotions out, it'll calm down by tomorrow. It still could've been communicated way better though.

>>50421598
yeah I think most people agree what actually happened is not a big deal, its the way it was handled that lead to a shitshow

rat has a gun, any further GFE posters will be shot

>>50415153
this pretty much sums up my thoughts, either do a full rebrand if you really want to not be asociated with pippa, AI art and /here/ or just keep the status quo, not this half assed "im not associated with flavr but I am part of flavr but im not a talent there but I want to keep being related to the people and fandom of flavr but im not with them but ill still do stuff with them"
im not mad or angry, just really, really dissapointed, ill support those who were loyal enough to keep the tag but the rest, good luck I guess

>>50421687
Yeah, that's the overall feeling I'm getting from everyone. The actual meat isn't a problem, the communication mishap is what the issue is.

>>50421729
Very nice piece. Now extend the message to her chat.

>>50422316
they know

>>50422483
Chat's behaving surprisingly well tonight.

>>50421777
literally what Sena is doing lol

>>50423179
rat has a gun
they better behave

>>50423767
>>50422483
I like the gun toteing Rat

>>50423866
Keep the thread alive, see you all tommorow!

>>50424828
I keep the cheese handy for the late night hours

Maika FLAVR friend is live rn! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwIErmkzbzU

>>50421598
>>50421687
I dunno, to me it seems like a lot of damage control right now because they assumed everyone would be 100% behind them doing this half assed distancing. i am with >>50421777 you want to cut off ties then do it fully, to me they aren't FlaVR anymore and i will not show my support for them going forward. They felt the need to make huge deal out of it. I will stick to those that seem to care more about the fun of it all.

>>50425341
What does "fun" even mean? Most of them have full-time jobs or other responsibilities, if they stream, it is for the fun of it.

>>50425806
Obviously its subjective, and its not like they owe me anything.

>>50412237
>You can't have it both ways, either you keep asking and encouraging people to join, or you keep FlaVR as a small but unified group.
Yes. In my personal opinion, FlaVR should have never grown beyond the original 5 + 3 members created on stream. That first stream established the lore of FlaVR, so it was pretty consistent. Immediately after there was people roleplaying the characters, and within a month we more or less got the de facto official members with Sena, Brolime, Kinolime, Minna, because they actually streamed. That's all we needed. Then assuming that Sena, the Limes, Minna, etc. decided to retire after a week, or month or so, that would have been the end of FlaVR there and then, a flash in the pan but a nice sequence of events nonetheless.
With the new waves of community created FlaVR, that just invited confusion because obviously there would be no vetting or consistency, just a long string of "wouldn't it be cool if there was this flavor or that flavor?"
Sometimes simplicity is best. I would have been totally content if eventually everybody called it quits and Sena remained as the only surviving FlaVR member.

>>50426424
oh boy, the return of the "sena is the only good one everyone else is irrelevant" argument again

>>50426424
I feel like sticking to the original 5+3 would have been an interesting way for FlaVR to have gone. It didn't though, and I think that's because the appeal of flavr was the openness. Those early days of genning random flavrs helped solidify the general and brought in thread culture. The debut of sweet brought in fan favorites, as well as drama. Would /fvr/ or flavr still be around without anons genning random characters and offering them to femanons? Maybe, maybe not.
>>50426759
I'd find it ironic to see anybody shill that opinion anymore, since she basically scrubbed flavr from her channel. If anybody truly thinks Sena is the only good one, they should go shill her in /wvt/.

>>50416892
>>50417014
>>50417584
I understood "our graduating members" as making a reference to Coco and Mehlo, who truly graduated recently, maybe also Brolime, if he really decided to abandon the Lolime persona. I never understood this to mean the "active" streamers like Nyana, Abigill, or Raimi.

>50417471
>implying that was a talent
ngl, seems like anti behavior to me at this point
>>50417584
>>50421292
>>50421598
>>50421687
I believe it, and yeah, any kayfabe from the kuro account should be strictly and clearly ironic. Except the "think about what you're saying and write like a professional" part. That can be unironic.
>niicola stuff generally
Jesas, some people are acting like it was 400 ccv instead of 40. Numbers hate
>>50426424
Like... understandable, but then we have such a good thing going here and I really don't want to give up on it now.

>>50427235
>would have been an interesting way for FlaVR to have gone. It didn't though, and I think that's because the appeal of flavr was the openness
There are no possible worlds in which it actually closed up after 5+3. The entire point of Pippa's stream in the first place was to show off what can be done now. How are you going to dangle that in everyone's faces and not expect more proompting?

>>50427253
no its worded poorly as its referring to the people removing the tag are "graduating" from flavr. This isn't what the term means at all, they also don't specify who is doing this (literally just 2-3 people) which just confounds the issue.
its just a garbage post overall with very little clarification or substance.

important kinolime info https://twitter.com/DrLolimeFlaVR/status/1663383836028456960

>>50427253
Most people seeing this dont watch the chubba all the time. It's poor wording, and folks who just want to tune in are going to think everything's shut down.

>>50427568
>LeChuck the Piggle Priest
Nice.

>>50427568
Thanks for keeping us up to date

>>50427586
There's a lot of people in the thread today that clearly don't watch any of the FlaVR chuubas. They don't know that there are a few of the newer ones that are very very clearly on good terms with the old guard, and fit in well with the regular community. But of course, someone who didn't do their fucking reps wouldn't know anything about that.

>>50427586
>>50427836
So, two thoughts.
1.
>There are threadshitters
>In a thread one degree of separation away from Pippa
No shit?
2.
Personally I catch the thread when I remember, and I watch Sena, Minta, Mixie and now Raimi whenever I notice they're streaming, and possibly the others if the stars line up right. Right here is where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. If I weren't an autistic backreader I might have just dropped the whole thing. Even worse if I'd decided to check Twitter today instead of basketweaving reps.
Sorry to prolong the drama, I just want to say, let's all please learn from this and try not to fuck up the same way again. I'm going back to rat strim now.

>>50426424
That is not however how it went, they didn't just stream once or twice but kept going. When things started to expand and FlaVR became more than just the Pippa joke chuubas, they also still kept going and seemed to initially embrace that. They had many moments where they could either quit and let it be done with that or properly distanced themselves of what FlaVR is now without coming off as pricks. Sena did, and i wish her luck with it.
But the other few now instead decided to make a huge deal of it, making it sound like way more people were involved than actually are and present their "departure" as if FlaVR now is a detriment and bad thing while making it seem as a knee jerk reaction to a thing they didn't agree with.

FlaVR right now, at least to me, is more than just some joke chuubas or AI created chuubas or food flavored chuubas. It's a community where both anons and talents together lift themselves up and actually have some fun with the concept of vtubing together. If from that, it can even go further and become a thing where people eventually have a chance to break out from and become their own entity in the vtubing world, even better. And the notion that just about anyone can just put [FlaVR] on their twitter in order to ruin all that is absolutely stupid to me. That does not automatically make them part of the community and it's not that crazy a task to simply make it clear that they are not part of it, even to those outside of /here/ and that stumbled across it through twitter or youtube.

This is where the big difference comes from in this to me between Sena and those now. Sena simply seemed to want to take what she achieved and learned in FlaVR to as high as she can carry it in a positive way. The others seem like ungrateful asses that don't want to be linked anymore to those they disagree with or are beneath them but still want to be linked just enough to get the attention they got so far.

I find it funny that talents removed the flavr tag from their names to avoid drama, which led to drama. I Just another good day in FlaVR

thread seems to be in need of mehlo spam

to many words

>>50419539
>>50421292
Nyana did have [FlaVR] in her Youtube name before. This is how I know.
I actually missed the Pippa and Panko collab where Nyana was created. However, I watched subsequent Pippa streams, and I noticed the name of Nyana in the chat and comment section. I thought that the all-caps name plus number NYANA SEXTYN9 [FlaVR] looked ridiculous, and capipis were just fucking with me, inventing random names and adding the [FlaVR] tag (pushing the joke too far). Only later I went back to watch the collab and realized that actually Nyana is totally canon because she was created by Pippa and Panko. LOL, what a weird name, but knowing Pippa, yeah, not that out of the ordinary (Nynan is a gamer gurl after all).
So, yes, Nyana always had the [FlaVR] tag; you can even go back to watch Pippa streams of the time to see Nyana's name on screen with the tag. I suspect this is the reason she was sad, because she always felt comfortable repping for the [FlaVR] name, so the Kuro Twitter announcement caught her by surprise. And that's the crux of the issue, even if Nyana and Abigill are the "canon" Gen2 by Pippa, they are still removed from the true originals (Minna, Sena, Lime) created in the first stream.

>>50420310
I don't quite get the appeal of sitting on Discord for several hours watching a ton of subpar movies. I hear movie watchalongs are a staple in the Vtuber world but it doesn't sound very exciting. I guess part of the appeal is trashing the movie, drinking, and small talk?

>>50428703
I've always thought the "talents" themselves knew that flavr has always been a doujin circle who are also fans of pippa. I don't really agree to the "no vetting" camp because doujin circles first and foremost should vet people before being accepted. They should at least know what the FlaVR ethos, if there ever is one, is and its not just a random thing to be discarded to boost your unrelated personal vtuber persona divorced from it

>>50425341
>to me they aren't FlaVR anymore and i will not show my support for them going forward.
This just sounds very petty, like you have a personal grudge, anti mentality.
The original cast will always be the original FlaVR; they are the ones who made it a thing by giving life to the characters.

>>50430037
No i won't anti them, but i simply don't agree with this and how they handled it and i'm making my discontent known now while it is relevant rather than a month down the line. Everyone who disagrees is free to dismiss it and they are free to simply consider me not to have been a fan in the first place.

>>50426759
>>50427235
>"sena is the only good one everyone else is irrelevant"
I'm not making that argument at all; I'm just saying Sena was the one who really took her character "seriously" from the beginning, and developed her content the most. So if the original cast had remained fixed, I feel she would be the only one standing as an actual Vtuber after a year or so.

I like the Yellow Cat. :)

>>50427235
>I feel like sticking to the original 5+3 would have been an interesting way for FlaVR to have gone. It didn't though,
>>50427428
>How are you going to dangle that in everyone's faces and not expect more proompting?
This is a fair point. It is very hard to stave of creative urges. People just want to create without thinking about organizational matters or structure. This was sort of inevitable. I just wish people had stuck to the original Pippa characters.
I watched the first stream live (November), and the subsequent one with the Minna allegations, and thought they were fantastic. It took me two months or so, already in 2023, to realize that the community was actually keeping FlaVR alive as an open project.
I personally think Pippa should be the only one creating new designs but I understand if that feels too restrictive to many.

>>50412237
Ok so if I understand this narrative basically new people kept joining, the thread kept "recruiting" new members, maybe randoms wanted to be a part of it and old members were pressured to interact with the newcomers or pestered by them, and people actually assumed the Kuro account was a serious manager account for the "company" and had issues with it because it wasn't promoting the new "members" equally.
This burden troubled Kuro and old members and their reaction started this whole situation.
That could kind of makes sense and I could see it being the case but I'm not fully convinced it's not just a rrat yet. It's just something that sounds plausible.

>>50428703
Kind of agree with some of this post. I also see FlaVR as something born based on a theme and that got its inspiration from what Pippa created and its initial audience from her thanks to Pippa's involvement. But it's more than just the meme Pippa created, and she had little to play in it existing besides prompting it and retweeting them a few times. The real FlaVR are the members and the fans, more than the brand.
It's a grey area, anyone could "join" but at the same time not everyone is guaranteed to be welcomed by every member. And this is a very complicated thing for vtuber fans who are used to a corpo format where everyone with the same brand by default will get along.
So there is a value in either creating a new brand or adding a sub brand to the current flavr.
There is a difference between an open source project with 0 ownership, authority or order and a doujin project. A doujin project does have leaders or people who make choices, even if it's a true democracy and every member has an equal vote there is some form of order. If they are just friends they can even agree to things without the need for formalities.
An open source sort of project like what FLaVR is has literally 0 vetting, structure, order.
I did not know Nicola was a problem, I missed that whole arc due to real life obligations but I'm piecing it together now and it seems she was a problem that contributed to the split in opinions going on.
FlaVR has a few options. One, ignore the issue entirely and carry on as they were. This is safer in the short term because it avoids any immediate risk, it's literally doing nothing, you can't fuck things up that way. But it does not solve the underlying issue. Perhaps if Pippa never makes another FlaVR stream there will never be new members, perhaps the thread will stop recruiting people, perhaps no one new will try to pick up a character. So this "issue" will never actually present any problems again.
But maybe it will. No way to know for sure.
The other two options are roughly similar. One is to rebrand potentially as something very similar, simply as a formaltiy so the new "brand" is not open source but instead a doujin project. This is the bigger change. The other option is to simply add a sub brand within the brand that separates those who were part of FlaVR before, who are already in good terms with each other, who everyone has accepted. And those who aren't part of that group. Pretty much anyone else.
This can be simple, just turn current FLaVR members into FlaVR-Doujin group. The name can be anything.
This option also presents some change, and change is a risk, things can go wrong and people can disagree with it and it can cause more division. But it could also go well and without issues. And it would future proof the group from this sort of issues.
Honestly I just expect nothing to happen because generally people tend to prefer the passive route as long as they can afford to.
The only thing I truly want is for everyone to still be happy. For them to have fun and still enjoy doing this. Life can have rough moments, sometimes taking a break is important, and sometimes things can look bad
But what matters is weathering those storms and coming, solving the issues, taking a break and remaining positive.
All options should be on the table just in case. I remember when Mixie showed up. People were split between "kick her out" "she's fine" "just change her color scheme so she's not the same as marie" and "make her change character entirely"
She tried all options and eventually changing her character was the best choice. Change isn't always bad sometimes adapting is good.

So all I can ask is to try to be positive. Even if things look bad and there are challenges and there are problems in the way try to stay positive, instead of thinking the worst case scenario consider the options available to deal with the issue, remember things rarely go as bad as they could and try to cheer each other up.
At least do it for the streamers, you don't want Nyana to cry again right?
Whatever choice everyone makes, it's up to them. With or without tag if they are still getting along there's no real problem, FlaVR hasn't gone anywhere.

The way I view things, FlaVR was a massive high effort fanproject for Pippa - taking the ideas she put out in a sort of exploratory AI art screwing around stream, and trying to make those ideas manifest in reality as faithfully as possible. I think the first wave understood that, and most of the new ones did too. However, I think there's a faction of people here that see this as just /asp/ 2.0, this time signal boosted by Pippa, when that's not really what it's about.

>>50428703
>The others seem like ungrateful asses that don't want to be linked anymore to those they disagree with or are beneath them but still want to be linked just enough to get the attention they got so far.
I don't understand where this feeling comes from. I believe you have written several posts like this in past threads because you always seem to inject vitriol with the words you choose such as "ungrateful asses", or "grifters" or "leechers".
I never saw any of the original members with this attitude. Sena took it seriously, clearly; Minna does it for fun, she's clearly not going pro any time soon; Brolime always rejected monetization, and rejected the notion that he was doing it to get Pippa's attention, etc. So I don't understand your attitude of "those bastards were just doing it for attention!"

>>50429724
>I've always thought the "talents" themselves knew that flavr has always been a doujin circle who are also fans of pippa.
Not true at all. That was true the first week, or month after the original stream. But after the new year it was clear that some people didn't even know Pippa, they just wanted to get into Vtubing.
>I don't really agree to the "no vetting" camp because doujin circles first and foremost should vet people before being accepted.
Impossible to implement. That requires a "core" group to handle the vetting, and it was clear from the beginning that nobody wanted that responsibility, so it is what it is.

>>50432157
>brolime rejected the notion he was doing it to get pippas attention
this is factually untrue, he literally had one stream where purposely tried to bait her into raiding him so he could do a pippa stream tier list.

Rat's laugh is so cute

>>50432336
we've had this discussion in the past, but the sentiment has been vetting is typically up to the "original" talents to do. Marie was actually this thread middleman with the other talents to warn them about potential bad actors like spooki, linkd, and then coco (nothing against him but his PL posting is why jubi was excluded from the rest of the talents).

>>50432551
Rat is indeed cute. Excited to see some more variety as I don't really care for Zelda games nor do I want to watch someone else play an open world rpg. I'd rather play it myself. She's got that dawg in her tho

>>50432123 (me)
And now the original capipis are upset that the fanproject hardly resembles a fanproject anymore because of all the people who came here and made it about themselves instead of in service of Pippa. Now they're leaving, and you're not only wondering why, you're calling them grifters, screaming your head off about them pulling the ladder up behind them. You took a big fat shit all over the work they made for Pippa, they're right to be upset.

>>50431530
You said a lot of things I needed to hear, thank you anon. I really love FlaVR and kind of just need things to be okay right now.

we hitting bump soon

I want to commend most of you for the thoughtfulness and kindness you have shown toward these streamers and to each other. Thank you. While you have all experienced what seems like some very stressful times, I think it is a testament to you all that most everyone in this project has been consistently positive and friendly.

FlaVR has demonstrated the power that we have to turn ideas into a sort of shared reality. It is a valuable lesson. I'm not sure how occult that gets, but if the Bible speaks about it then it can't be dangerous knowledge to attend to, can it? The power of the tongue to bring life or death.

I think some of you intuitively grasp the concept, and sometimes take it too far in trying to speak things into existence, but those are few still.

I think this entire project has a lot of lessons to be extracted from it. And I think the fact that some of the talents are having fun streaming, even if they are not at the numbers they might prefer, is a good thing.

Please support your oshis. Please use your words wisely. and please consider taking some time away from the computer for your health. There are much more serious and important things in life than this, even if it can be a very therapeutic hobby for some people who are in rough patches. And consider using what we have learned about the creation and development of this meme into something more, and apply that knowledge to even more creative and productive endeavors.

>>50433028
that is a good point. I don't fully agree with it, but I understand where you're coming from

>>50433268
Sorry I have pipkin and say things that are not good but that's only because I overthink things and think of the good and bad angles but I try to make the good thoughts come on top at least.

>>50432157
No, you are mixing me up with someone else, i never once considered anyone here a grifter or leech or some such. Neither the OGs as leeches or such from Pippa nor anyone else since then as leeches of the OGs or the FlaVR brand, not even those that just streamed once and then went missing or those that never gotten out of the twitterphase.

I always considered everyone, not just the Talents but also those supporting them with stream assets and the like or just anons genning new potential models with AI to simply having been people having some fun and playing around with the vtubing concept. And if you are like Sena and want to take a more "serious" approach to it and see how big you can go with it, all the more power to you.

This is why this whole "We want to distance ourselves from FlaVR because of potential bad actors." rubs me the wrong way. This is a fun project for the enjoyment of itself, not some moneymaking scheme or with the main purpose of "serious kickstarter" for your indie vtuber career. The notion that someone can have fun the wrong way or just because you disagree with their approach, they are wrong. is stupid. And people with actual ill intend can and will approach you regardless of FlaVR.

In that same sense however, it should be clear that just because you join as a new talent, doesn't give you right to anything. No one in an open project owes you anything. No one has to collab with you or give you stuff for free just because. If you want to join a community then you also are the one that has to make the effort to become a part of it, and even then, if someone just doesn't get along with you, so be it. You can coexist in an open and public project without the need to interact and can just ignore each other.

>>50432157
This rrat came from the FlaVR twitter and Brolime. The twitter complained about people bothering the original members. Then they took down the tweet and quit the next day. Brolime has been mentioning not wanting to interact with new members for the last two months. Then after they quit Brolime did a joke stream and has been posting on his twitter an old meme video that people shouldn't be cringe. It wasn't a problem to gatekeep or remove the FlaVR tag or whatever. They decided to make the drama on their own by complaining about Niicola and quitting all at once the next day. They decided to not explain after they did that. They decided not to gatekeep the original characters. They decided not to make rules about who they wanted to interact with and how.

first attempt at rat harpie
mixed results

we also just hit bump someone start drinking

>>50433028
Not the guy calling the original talents grifters, but holy shit, for someone who sucks pippas toes so much you sure don't give a shit about what she thinks about this. She's said on stream before that she likes that people have grown their own community around it, and if you fuckers had your way "the fanproject" would have killed this whole thing a week in.
Shits open source anyways, always has been, who are you to determine what people can and can't do with it?

>>50432123
I agree with the gist of this post
"early on people tried to match what pippa created to make it real" and Pippa's corpo, its concept and characters was very good and now it's just "aspiring vtubers being given a chance to belong to an existing group"
in big part we can blame the thread itself I guess for prompting and wanting more people to join but Pippa said people could do what they wanted with the project and part of running a company is recruiting new people, the original Hololive debut cycle was 6 months
and even from the start not all members were exactly as Pippa envisioned either
we had Pippa's project come to life for like what, 4, 6 months? That's a very long time for a performance art project to function
it's not that odd for things to take a life of their own later on
we even had mixie who was not created by Pippa but she still supported her so it's not like Pippa herself had an issue witht his, it might just be come capipis and if they are disappointed the project stopped being faithful to Pippa's original vision not much can be done about it
sena leaned hard into the bear theme, nyana rebranded from whore to a wholesome memer very early on, lolime is a guy and wants to rebrand too
I think at least the new members the thread has sort of embraced were still consistent with the style of the original pippa creations, cool designs, some sort of flavor theme, they were new but they didn't betray the original concept

>>50432157
Exactly, and to expand on this, Brolime has always been upfront about his intentions. He's mentioned it several times. It's not to get the attention of Sleepy or Pippa, though he appreciates it, but rather to get the attention of others, and point them towards Pippa and Sleepy and all the other chuubas he's a big fan of. He's always said, if some random fan of Pippa could have a body of work that extensive, then that must mean that Pippa herself must be pretty inspiring. All he wants is for the things he does to reflect well on Pippa.

i am going to spam rat harpies till the thread dies to keep the word count down

>>50434218
god damn those fucking hips, those thighs
is this what peak female performance looks like?

>>50433028
Kinda yeah, it comes from projection. Someone who thinks the project is /asp/ 2.0 is going to evaluate the actions of others in that same framework, in which case of course it will look bad to leave as soon as you see a bit of success, and doubly so if your group was getting some kind of "sponsorship".
BUT I think this conflict doesn't really need to exist. Pippa made it pretty clear that >we can do what we want with the character concepts. Of course we want to pay that back by making something special, but there are lots of ways to interpret that. Including, ya know, building something bigger that's community-focused but still knows where its roots are.
>>50433565
NTA but (You)'re in good company, I could have written that post myself. It comes with the territory and honestly it's good that we get the analysis out there. I know picrel is a meme here but honestly I think we're all good as long as everyone can a) act in good faith and b) chill.

>>50433893
>>50434218
>>50434283
I am going to breed the harpy rat, you cannot stop me

>>50433873
>This is why this whole "We want to distance ourselves from FlaVR because of potential bad actors." rubs me the wrong way.
Yeah. The way I would have put it, instead of gatekeeping that's like fleeing the castle before the invaders heh arrive.

>>50434218
based, see you next thread

new lora isnt great for full harpy but pretty good for just wings

>>50432123
>>50433028
>>50433556
>>50434081
That kind of view is completely valid and fair and if they had simply gone and stated "Hey, this project drifted away from how we envisioned it at first with all that came after us and thus we want to break off." that would be absolutely fine.
But that is not what they did, they threw a hissyfit and flipped the bird on the way out.

>>50434273
>Including, ya know, building something bigger that's community-focused but still knows where its roots are.
I tend to agree, but it does present some issues with filtering. How do you keep a Pippa anti out, for instance? How do you deal with someone who doesn't give a shit about roots and paying respects to Pippa, and is only coming here for what they can gain for themselves? How do you keep the project pointed in the direction of original intent when so mant newfags are involved, especially if they don't do their reps?

>>50434773
What's done is done tho. I don't think anything that happened is so bad we can't just move past it.

>>50434773
It came across that way but I don't think they meant it.
>>50434789
>when so mant newfags are involved
This is the part that actually poses a problem. I think it mostly boils down to keeping an eye on the growth rate, and having appropriate respect for established talents that can lead by example.
>and is only coming here for what they can gain for themselves?
I'm just going to take this excuse to repost the classic image.

>>50434081
By the way, that reminds me, if we do end up genning more ideas for more generations, I think it'd be a great idea to look back at the original source material of those streams, and look for little things she might have said in passing, and further flesh out those ideas. There's a surprising amount of overlooked ideas she threw out still left on the table. I think that would be one way to continue paying homage going forward.

max harpie
no rat

>>50434856
I mean yeah, i don't want them harm, but to me, they distanced themselves on bad terms and i honestly rather this place also distanced themselves from them and make a clean cut and not this halfassed way. I know i am mostly alone in that thought and nothing will change and i won't hammer on with this or anti them but at least i will start ignoring stuff related to them going forward and instead focus on the ones i still want to support.

>>50434081
did Brolime really deviate from the original Lolime concept, he larps (I hope) as a menhera all the time

>>50435325
that comma is supposed to be a question mark

>>50435216
i like it but at this point maybe better save the thoguht for the next thread

is anyone baking or are you guys just being schizo?

>>50435325
No not really, aside from not being Brazillian. Even being a babiniku fits with the "shitposter" aspect of the character.

>>50435216
Not a bad idea but I wouldn't obsess over it either.
Pippa isn't some master artist who created a bunch of rough sketches that could all be masterpieces. She's just a regular weeb like any of us who is also very familiar with vtubers and knows what can work well for them.
It's not like anime or vtubers have that much depth, there are many general archetypes or traits that can be used to create a character and the fact that it's all in the AI tag system should make it clear it's all already well catalogued shit.
The more character centric ideas she might have had like Sena helping out and "fixing" her fans might be very good and fun but they are not things that can be replicated anyway even the first gens that made the meme real were not 100% in character. Only character art direction can be truly emulated and implemented.
But we could try to pay homage to it, sure why not. It wouldn't hurt and it would be a good starting point to think of good ideas to work with and it might gain some support from capipis, but I don't really know how much of a benefit that is anyway. It's not like they will come just because they heard a new design is loosely inspired by some of Pippa's comments.
>>50435325
People said he is working on some sort of rebrand.

>>50435399
Fuck it, I'm at the bar phoneposting, perfect time to bake. Got a good pic you want to use for the OP?

>>50435399
been tempted to just let it die for a day or two, that's the best way to handle big schizo/drama moments on this board i've found

i should be able to spam a good chunk of tomorrow if needed, hopefully i dont have to but i can

>>50431530
>The other two options are roughly similar. One is to rebrand potentially as something very similar, simply as a formaltiy so the new "brand" is not open source but instead a doujin project.
This won't happen for the simple fact that nobody wants to be the boss of anybody else. In order to do this transition, at least a "core" group of FlaVRs need to come together and make decisions, and it's clear nobody wants to make decisions for anybody else. In human societies there's always leaders and followers, so I presume some people would be fine being led, but others wouldn't and they would prefer to be completely free to do whatever they want.

>>50435493
IMO just waiting for normie burger hours should be enough. Let everyone too worked up about it like me get some sleep.

>>50435493
That's not a half bad idea. Somebody will make a new thread anyways, but I think all of us could use some encouragement to touch grass.
I'll abort baking, if not just for not having an op pic on my phone

>>50435613
Authenticity is always going to be a fuzzy thing. But if we can manage to bake in an orderly fashion, we can have consensus on other issues, too.

here nightly mehlo
we can get her off pepsi, we just need to try more

In the mean time, the rat raided this cute jp indie. She spontaneously put aside the wizard game for some kino doodling. Too bad none of >us did reps, and now she's struggling to read a bunch of dumb /here/ shit with no context for it even if she did speak English well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN17L_harVs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN17L_harVs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN17L_harVs

>>50435777
chinchilla love
i lurk and say simple things that she understands

>>50435613
They could all have the same voice and same vote, tho of course there will always be some who take more responsibility when it comes to promoting ideas and leading even if final choice came to consensus.

have a good night bros, see you guys in the morning, i would leave the thread dead until the morning

Goodnight bros

>>50432351
He never baited Pippa, somebody else suggested the raid, and she did it. Once that happened, Brolime and Temp pulled a switcheroo, and did the stream tier list. It was masterfully executed because they prepared it before, in case Pippa ever raided them but they never pushed her. In any case, the tier list stream was clearly not for Pippa, but for Pippa fans who obviously were watching Pippa before the raid; a stream by fans for fans. See also >>50434134

If you are going to argue attention seeking, maybe you could mention Brolime at the highway billboard, dancing, prancing around, and trying to climb it. Pippa even showed up in chat that time. But Brolime always stated that it was just a bit, for fun, because he's a fan, not because he wanted to talk to her or get into her DMs.
Simply put, Brolime had plenty of opportunities to get Pippa's attention since he debuted the character, but he stuck to his word and never pestered her publicly, nor tried to go beyond "I'm just a fan".

>>50402262
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>>50403349
I talked to Nayvell to make sure she knew his illustrious past with early FlaVR and other groups. She said she knows all about it and only ever interacts with him in comments. Not going to tell her to unfollow him like a overprotective parent though. She’s a big girl and can make her own decisions on that front.

>>50433873
>You can coexist in an open and public project without the need to interact and can just ignore each other.
This is harder to do than you think. Some people definitely join the group in order to interact with existing members, otherwise what's the purpose of joining? Then it's not a group anymore.

>>50432609
>vetting is typically up to the "original" talents to do.
But they don't want that responsibility, they didn't want to be the bosses of anybody.

>>50390616
Tenma was a fucking bitch, I don't know why she's Pippa's best friend when she is against everything Pippa stood for.