/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Two more weeks right?

>Mumei
>Baelz
>Kiara
>Mori
Wtf did they even do to decline? As far as I know they've just been streaming like they've always been.

All the rest isn't really surprising.

>gura streams less and less, yet her numbers keep inclining
I kneel, tardshark... I kneel...

>>52176633
Gura truly is the best. Inclines even when not streaming

The hours are more interesting than the ccv. Gura is doing a third of Sana before she got fired.

>>52176849
Most of her streams are music productions or return streams to get buffed numbers.

>>52176633
2021 Gura streamed more than Mori "Workaholic" Calliope.Cumbuds from the past would never guess how she ended up.

>>52176633
>Gura, Fauna and IRyS either inclined (Gura, Fauna) or barely reclined at all (IRyS)
Based trio from CGDCT quint

>>52176633
Gura is pulling a Lebron. Sit out many games, but because of the extra rest you score a lot of points in the games you do play, so your points per game is still really high and fans go "awooga 30ppg at age 38 he da goat!!!"

>>52177243
>The hours are more interesting than the ccv. Gura is doing a third of Sana before she got fired.
Gura adding more emotes has to be her implying that she expects the problems with management to eventually get resolved.

>>52176832
KEK

>>52177540
Gura streaming is legit an Event now.She's had 5 return streams this year.

>>52176633
We already made a thread like this

EN's are going to cannibalize themselves with infighting and stupidity, and any sense of "unity" between companies is fake.

>>52181383
If its the thread I'm thinking of, it used a much more narrow timeframe 1 month v. 1 month but also included Nijisanji. Using alot more data paints a more accurate picture, now if we can get similar figures for Nijisanji that would be great.

>>52182346
I don't even think Niji needs one: they have a very scattered fanbase

>>52176849
She doesn't do anything that upset her viewerbase besides not streaming so when she comes back they all crawl back to her. Ayame 101

>>52176833
Second the confusion on Mumei, not aware of any yabes she has suffered. Why is she dropping as much as Ame and Bae?

>>52176833
A lot of it is just global post-covid/wfh decline.

>>52176633
Look at that nice number wave. Guess the numbers for the next group.

>>52176833
They're shit. Garbage. No talent, no excuses, no redeeming qualities.

>>52183686
If I had to choose one rrat for my oshi it'd be that they don't stream enough.
Better than stuff like "they were doxxed and now everyone knows they're a fat talentless land whale and mods of different forums are simps for her and ban happy" or "literally admitted to being a mom and having tons of proof to being a known liar and hated by everyone in the corpo" or whatever.

>>52183982
i think she was out for a bit because of her cough and she's not exactly innovating. karaoke, zatsu, what else

Pippa deflection thread !

>>52185184
If you have numbers to show decline for PhaseConnect, feel free to share them.

>>52187198
They are so irrelevant only pippa is being tracked on the usual websites
Whom are you trying to fucking fool here? If you gave a shit about anyone but pippa you would shill their JP vtubers who are still to this day low 2views

>>52187370
>Comes into a number analysis thread
>'hurr durr deflection thurrred'
>'Join in, this is all of EN'
>'U DUN CARE'
Of course I don't care about individual vtubers, I'm looking at the state of the industry from a cold look at numbers. Take your feels elsewhere faggot

>>52176633
more like decline of Japanese corpos in a foreign market, which is a good thing.

>>52183982
Because bitch is impossible to listen to? She talks but in a way that fries your brain and not in the good way.

>>52176633
Calli really doing that grind on top of working with her roommate.

>>52187974
Holy retard.

mommy i kneel.......

>>52176633
>the horse declining harder than anyone else
Good now graduate

>>52176633
NijiESL: b-b-but gura no stream
NijiESL: b- b- but Fauna said im not your friend

>>52176633
Wtf I thought Le Tempiss killed Kronii and Ame? Why did Mumei and Kiara have a larger decline?

>>52177221
In order to incline, you must only stream celebrations. Sasuga Gura-sama...

>>52191332
Well you can't get sick or bored of a person when you barely see them.

>>52191247
mumei has been sick for the past 6 months...

>>52191653
So? Gura inclined by barely streaming, why did Mumei decline?

>>52176633
>Gura
>23.13%
What's her secret?

>>52176633
yea because only niggers watch en chuubas

>>52191884
Only streaming celebrations, collabs and return streams

>>52176633
I get a hardon when I see how hard Mori's carreer is dying.

>>52176833
>Baelz
>Kiara
>Mori
They do long multi-part gaming streams, which wrecks average ccv.

>>52176633
It very clearly suggests the girls agreed to reduce the workload. It looks ways worse since they get compared to jp branch

>>52192713
So does Fauna

>>52176633
>Fauna inclining while all of her genmates and myth (not including gura) decline
how the fuck does she do it?

>>52193059
>get tossed opportunity of a lifetime
>massive global support for your new EN talent. billboards, cult-like behavior
>EN gets sidebranch'd
imagine what someone with more business sense could have done with this. i hate this dumbfuckery so much

>>52176633
This isn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be.

>>52194362
t. deadbeat
Funny how Gura and Fauna are doing just fine despite not getting a quater of the shit cover gave Mori.
Unicorns won.

>>52195043
>gura
>fine
lol I'd buy the reason she streams once a month is she's afraid to see what her numbers actually are without the return buff

>>52194362
>imagine what someone with more business sense could have done with this.
I don't think you can appeal to EN fans because they're all fuckin retarded. Should've put them on the idol path the instant they got hired.

>Gura inclines by not streaming
>Fauna inclines by Kronii, Mumei, Ina being sick and Gura not streaming
Ah yes the pinnacles of EN. Meanwhile when Mumei gets serious she outperfoms her gen every single time.

HoloEn is just too boring when you compare it to the options we have now.
Also, males.

Gura is only positive because she's only done 11 streams and they're mostly all return streams and celebration streams.

>>52176633
Post phase and Idol

>>52193230
lolu
aside from Skyrim which is a whole meme, she doesn't have a game series longer than 5 episodes
Bae's P5 is closing on 20

>>52176633
WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS? WE NEED ANOTHER MALE WAVE ASAP

>>52195976
Deadbeats their "long games" and "JRPG" cope will never stop being funny.

>>52194343
Turns out just streaming regularly and not flirting with Stars on stream is enough to get people to not leave, who knew?

>>52194343
chumbuds/takodachis (when Ina was gone) refugees. its quite obvious

>>52196336
Tell me one holo who actually flirts with a Stars and not in your schizophrenic mind

>>52195976
Fauna also moved her stream times into the Gura/Ina slot when Gura and Ina both went MIA at the same time. When they streamed regularlly Fauna was hovering around ~4-5k averages. For a corpo Time slot is 80% of the battle.

>>52176633
I feel like HoloEN is in an awkward spot. Interest in the branch is declining because it's getting really dry, but as interest declines, it gets harder to justify another generation, which is probably the single greatest thing the branch could use for revitalization.

>>52196457
>not in your schizophrenic mind
Just acknowledging they exist is flirting to these people

>>52176633
>kiara and mori -29% and -39% respectively
ccv isn't everything but what the fuck?

>>52196707
>Interest in the branch is declining because it's getting really dry, but as interest declines, it gets harder to justify another generation, which is probably the single greatest thing the branch could use for revitalization.
And that's the worst part. EN is in a state of trying to have an audience stick around, but is a new branch justified?

>>52196755
I would like to see first week VOD views, but its hard to get historical data for that. Myth seems to have a much larger JP or international fanbase (Mori and Kiara in particular) than Council which probally skews things a lot due to not being able to watch streams live very often.

>>52196843
>EN is in a state of trying to have an audience stick around, but is a new branch justified?
Exactly. Well we know that HoloEN auditions have recently opened up again so it sounds like there is a plan but it could be up to a year before this round of auditions translates into debuts. By then, situations could change drastically.

>>52176833
Mumei - sick the past few months, can't spam karaoke, her strongest content.

Mori - the long term effects of spending the first two years chasing the unicorns away. Yeah the shitposting has gone away but the audience did too. She's permanently gonna be on a stunted growth pattern from now on.

The other two, just decline as the wow factor wore off.

>>52196218
What is this mental illness? He also changed this picture once before so there are like 30 more posts you don't see.
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/image/cXHiEdDThpv78RL4aWIkBw/

>>52197541
Mori did decline the hardest though. Not even Minecraft and openVC can save her from losing viewers by the boatload.

>>52176633
Ame deserves better...

>>52197469
With the exception of Mumei, they all stream at EN off-hours so it's hard to build and retain an audience.

>>52197666
>Minecraft and openVC
Mori's prior aversion to Minecraft has long since pushed that audience away so it's not the buff game it normally is. Also, the shit she's doing in the game isn't exactly ambitious. Nobody is impressed by someone who digs some caves and calls it a home. Make an interesting or large freestanding structure if you want a decent Minecraft audience.

Also, openVC doesn't help when nobody joins.

>>52197899
Ame is the reason Ame lost all those viewers. All she had to was not shit on her Goslings.

You should be glad, all the ironic weebs are leaving

>>52197666
It doesn't seem to affect her projects, benefits or sponsors she gets though. She's actually getting 2 sponsored outfits on July 1st like Korone got and will be part of a big Live performance that will eb broadcast on JP TV with Suisei and that includes soem big JP names in music. What the fuck does CCV even mean then?

>>52179724
Or, it could be a cocktease to get people to think she’ll stream more when she doesn’t plan to. Remember “movie May”?

>>52196336
>Kiara does both
>while publicly shutting down Tempus collabs
>still one of the biggest reclines
She must be fuming

>>52197948
> Mori's prior aversion to Minecraft has long since pushed that audience away so it's not the buff game it normally is
Not just that, but Minecraft isn’t inherently a buff game. The context in which Hololive started doing that has turned the Hololive Minecraft server into a place for buff content. Every other corpo that tries to use Minecraft as a buff finds out quickly that it doesn’t work. A big reason for that is the main motivation for many of these other corpos is “well, it worked for Hololive so it’s worth a shot.”
Which also happens to be Mori’s main motivation, since she doesn’t actually like minecraft

>>52176633
>Holo is the only metric that matters
holy autismo.
Other corpos are thriving and indies are still viral since the EN boom

>>52198336
>She's the vtuber with the second highest subs!
>gets fucked
>Her CCV is the second highest in hololive!
>gets fucked
>Her music has the highest views in hololive!
>all her recent originals got mogged by DO U
>she...she still has her sponsorships! < You are here
Geez, you deadbeats just don't learn your lesson. You're just ASKING to get grudgeposted in 6 months.

>>52176633
11 streams in 5 months?
Tell me this isn't real.

>>52198678
I'm not even a deadbeat, why the fuck you bringing up Kiara out of nowhere? I'll include her too. Her low CCV doesn't seem to affect her projects either. She is part of main channel stuff quite often and is part of sponsor tie ins decently often as well. Being in Europe and not Japan is her biggest issue. It was a question of why do people think it matters at all when the supposed 2 with the "biggest decline" are still getting more things that everyone else outside of their streams. Shouldn't they be putting Fauna into things if her high CCV means something?

>>52199057
>I'm not even a deadbeat
Stopped reading right there, deadbeat.

>>52199118
Jesus christ you are retarded.

>>52198543
I would think it would be difficult for Kiara to gain new viewers considering the fact that she streams at a time that most burgers wouldn't be able to watch.

>>52199350
She streams in the afternoon: a literal hellspot for some of us.

>>52198698
Doesn't include collabs or member streams, but yeah.

>>52177457
>2021 Gura streamed more than Mori "Workaholic" Calliope.
That isn't really surprising. Mori was writing/singing a bunch of music, which takes a lot of time and effort, whereas Gura had exactly one song, which she only sang. Mori out-streaming Gura on top of that would be very unlikely.

>>52176833
maybe that's the problem? just going on "as they've always been"? never inventing themselves or doing any kino streams or anything. it's a 9-5 and they're treating it like that as well. no passion, just going through the motions.

>>52197303
>By then, situations could change drastically.
Hopefully that means we get better fans, but I doubt it. The magic of holoEN has faded away.

>>52184005
The only good answer, people aren't working from home anymore and can't run a stream in the background

>>52194343
Actually she did If you compare last 5 months of 2022 to now. She’s just up slightly from when she used to midget fight with Bae

>>52194343
Fauna adopted a bunch of chumbuds

>>52199928
Didn't Mori have her full time english teaching job for several months after debut too for visa reasons?

>>52176633
>Still not as low as Sana
holyshit she was really doomed by a garbage model

>>52199350
yeah it's a bad timeslot for both burgers and SEA/JP

>>52177243
gura doing less than a normal work week in 6 months and still makes millions of dollars pisses me off.

>>52201298
Boohoo
Go harass trust fund babies

>>52176849
It's called rarity buff, see Marine or Ayame.

>>52177243
>Sana
>Fired
Retard.

>>52201673
Not quite. Of her 11 streams, 4 of them were either special events or a collab which heavily skews her average. Her Bramble stream was the lowest she's ever hit in almost a year.

>>52201673
Marine streams semi-often, so no. Shion is a better example.

>>52176633
Covid buff is gone and people are finally seeing the flaws in this branch.
>Kronii
Huge wasted potential. Gigabuff from voice and model but didn't use it properly. "Unfortunately idol culture is a thing. Do you guys not have female friends?"
>Ina
Bland. Didn't stream for a few months and didn't properly communicate with her fans. Spammed zelda shit for 10+ parts in a row.
>Ame
Male collabs. "Improve yourself."
>Mumei
Bland like Ina.
>Bae
Voice and male collabs. Too loud in collabs.
>Kiara
Many things. Voice and personality that filters a lot of holo viewers. Like Bae she is also too loud in collabs. Tries too hard to get close with the nijiniggers and even twitchfags with the recent AI collab.
>Mori
Anti idol culture. Tried too hard to get in with twitch ecelebs. Too much drama. Gave too much attention to her haters. Almost ruined friendship with Kiara, ruined friendship with Gura.
>the branch in general
Lack of professionalism. You can't just blame all the delays and issues that you caused by not making sure everything is ready on muh EN curse meme and expect people to not get sick of it. Management has some serious issues simply because of the fact they wasted a year on 2 homo flop gens instead of a proper EN3 gen.

>>52203692
>Ame
Nice fan fic.

>>52197469
>Mumei - sick the past few months, can't spam karaoke, her strongest content.
Take in count that she also got bored of doing karaoke between april-july of last year, so is not agood idea to keep spimming that.

>>52197948
>With the exception of Mumei, they all stream at EN off-hours
Anon, bae constantly overlaps with mumei and sometimes fauna,mori also streams at night time NA

>>52181383
This post is why I can never get into Holo talents. Not only are they kind of awkward around each other, which is weird considering how long they've worked together but whatever, all their fans fucking hate each other. It's not a community. It's a group of lone wolf streamers who have to tard wrangle a bunch of fans who can barely stand each other and are actively rooting for everyone else in the company to be fired besides their oshi. Moreover, this is so ingrained in them that they think everyone in the world thinks like this all the time. That's a fucking stupid way to act and it makes them insufferable to interact with. Plus because of this they're always obsessing over stupid and trivial bullshit as ways of infighting among themselves. Their talents don't even need to yab because the fans will just make shit up in their quest to force the whole company to graduate. Literally why would anyone want to be part of this outside of callously exploiting them as ATMs?

>>52206915
You spent a lot of time say things that aren't true, sister. Have you considered starting a fantasy blog or web comic?

>>52207357
>1000 seethe threads about Mori later, the holoEN fans questions why his reputation sucks

*laughs at nijicucks*

>>52206915
>all their fans fucking hate each other.
If you're talking exclusively about /vt/, maybe.

>>52203692
>all their fans fucking hate each other
Not even close. I love being with some fans. Its just the fact that EN fans are terrible as of late. Hell, the "cannibalize themselves" thing relates to how many companies these guys follow.

>>52209755
Considering how popular meme arrows are on Twitter and youtube/twitch chats these days, and how brainrotted porn memes like pic related top youtube search results in private/incognito mode, I'd say this shithole is more representative of the overall culture of the EN scene than a lot of people are comfortable with.

>>52208349
>all their fans fucking hate each other.
>thinking it's fans rather than falseflaggers
You're on the wrong website, retard.

>>52210609
I don't dislike Mori and I thought the horse thing was funny.
You're also entirely unaware of how people on Twitter and Tiktok hate her because they think she's cringe or a shitty rapper. They're also definitely not Holo fans.
All I can say is you actually have brainrot. Congratulations, sister.

>>52176633
The 3 that haven’t declined are the ones who don’t collab with Tempus, ecelebs, Nijis or vshojos. WOW who would have thought??! Me

>>52211949
>and I thought the horse thing was funny.
it really wasn't.

>>52176833
>Mumei
>Baelz
>Mori
They cucked their fanbase by streaming with males. No self-respecting man watches this shit. Anything else is cope.
>Kiara
lol lmao

Damn and Gura is missing the 19k from the outlast collab and the 45k stream from her birthday.

>>52211986
Seethe.

>>52212019
>Kiara
>Ina
>Mumei
Talked about males or collabed with males. They also are the ones collabing with vshojos and nijis.

The fact that the 3 purest ones (no males, only holo) are the ones to. It decline is telling

>>52212259
>talked about males
So did Gura and Fauna

>>52211949
>I don't dislike Mori and I thought the horse thing was funny.
You have to be at least 18 to post on this website, and you're entirely too young to be this brainrotted by extreme fetish porn. Cease both things immediately.

>>52213397
Cope. Shit was hilarious, cuckbeat

>>52176633
Shark and Fauna rises, Mori falls. Justice served

>>52211986
>>52213397
The point was I don't hate Mori. I don't really give a shit. Stop trying to make up retarded fantasies about how "holo fan groups hate each other" just because your own shitty corpos are falling apart or your grooming target indie graduated because they couldn't keep doing it. You people are fucking pathetic.

>>52195818
>Post phase and Idol
Do you know of a data scrapper source similar to @Holo_Data that has these monthly figures for them?

>>52198662
>Holo is the only metric that matters
Mother fucker, did you even read beyond the image? If you know of a data source equivalent to @Holo_Data for OTHER corpos and indies then provide it. I'll gladly do similar charts but as far as I know there ain't as detailed monthly data scrappers for others aside from Hololive.

>>52184005
>>52200987
Basically every entertainment industry is feeling this right now. While there are outliers like Fauna, across the board most Vtubers have been receiving less viewers. Not even just Vtubers, look at streamers as a whole. Any of the top Twitch streamers have seen like a 20-40% decline in CCV between the start of Covid & today. Someone like XQC used to average 70k CCV a year ago, now down to like 50k CCV today. Hell, even video streaming services like Netflix are reporting this too. Youtube revenue declined. Mainstream news channels are seeing less viewership. Anybody who thinks this is out of the ordinary is just living under a rock. Numbers have stabilized post-covid

>>52176633
This is not rocket science. Covid shut down a lot of places, forcing people to stay at home and stream. HoloEN came out right at the perfect time, and Venti helped Gura get tons of subs just by the Streisand Effect, which also resulted in Venti retreating yet again after her 15 minutes of E-Fame ran out. Finding out who the HoloEN roommates are only added to the popularity of course to the point where Gura never has to stream, and when she does it's half assed (look at her birthday stream compared to any JP, it's just a clip show of Kanaru dancing).

HoloEN Singer was overshadowed by the hard push that Mori had for her own music, combined with the inconsistent look that IRyS had to tough it out with.

HoloEN2 tried to recreate the Myth success, even getting a Gura-like character and a Gura-soundalike, but they all had bland personalities by comparison with Myth. HoloX and ID3 blasted them all away. That early stream with Kroni doing voice impressions for chat felt like the first ASMR that Amelia did - neither one wanted to be there doing it, but they performed anyway, like a college girl joining a gangbang for the first time. They're a lot better now by comparison.

HomoEN is the EN3+ that people are still crying for. They're hit or miss, but there's nothing going forward that will remake what Myth put out in terms of numbers or viewership.

>>52220656
HomoEN is not hololive though: its holostars, and just like anything holostars, its irrelevant besides a very loud vocal minority. Before you call me a unicorn, just remember that nobody gives a shit about them

>>52194343
Mommy adopted unicorns. She even did a unicorn karaoke for them

>>52220780
That does not change what I said about them though. They are HoloEN3 and EN4 that people are demanding. Doesn't matter that they're with Holostars, and they only become relevant because they've mixed up with most of Hololive EN. Honestly, I'd place bets on HoloID. Less members to keep track of, they all speak EN and some JP so you get both of those branches for collabs.

I'd watch HoloEN more often if they played different games. Fauna currently playing SA2 is cool because of the nostalgia and shittiness of that game, but that's the only thing I've felt like watching in the entire branch recently. It's not like all of them are unbearable people, the content is just boring and weirdly rare depending on which person we're talking about here. It's not simply about cute girl being cute girl, I think what they're doing matters too.

If we're talking about all EN vtubers, I think they're falling off in popularity because people are finding non-vtuber streamers who are more entertaining/funny when playing games. People move on after a certain point to look for other shit to watch.

There will always be a group of people who want to see vtubers being cute, and those people will stay. But I think a lot of people moved on and don't watch them as much as they used to unless there's a big announcement, a celebration stream, an unarchived karaoke, or a big return stream. EN vtubing and JP vtubing are fundamentally different with their audiences, it was never going to be exactly the same as far as massive stable viewership is concerned.

>>52176633

>>52196573
Lmao. Imagine speaking out the ass. Fauna has always had the same timeslot. She didnt change shit

>>52219689
Explain why JP numbers are inclining then?

>>52212145
21k actually

they are not doing anything casully togheter that is the main issue
see right now
bae, irys and mori are all streaming all with dogshit ass content when they could all be joingin or paying a game togheter BUT NO
colabs in EN are a fucking rarity
the moment ame, ina and gura decided to go on perpetual breaks on 2022 it killed the rbanch momentum becasue the rest of the girls are unable to organize anything themesleves even if it is a small game.
i know they are busy but they being busy usually means 70% of them do not stream a day.
the best kino arc of holoen was whenmanagement FORCED THEM to play MC togheter and were having a big project togheter.

>>52198567
>Minecraft isn’t inherently a buff game
SMP servers have always been huge content farms for various groups but they rely heavily on interesting builds and member interactions for being decent content and Mori is lacking in both. Like honestly, the best part of her recent Minecraft streams were her interactions with Kronii and I think if you checked her viewership, you'd probably see a bump during that period although I don't know how to validate that.

But I recall the bathhouse she built with Ina back in the day actually did quite well. I think another ambitious, multi-part build with another member would do well but I think Mori would have difficulty arranging that. As it is, these smaller solo builds with open VC that almost nobody joins simply don't offer anything interesting to watch.

>>52176633
>Decline of EN vtubing
>only Holo stats
Maybe it's just the decline of HoloEN, ever think about that

>>52200840
>Hopefully that means we get better fans, but I doubt it.
I don't know about "better" fans, but I expect the more devoted are the ones who will stick around.

>>52205587
>mori also streams at night time NA
Mori's streams are actually a bit too late and she's usually just starting her stream at the tail end of NA prime time, and her streams usually go well past.

>>52176633
MOMMY STRONG

>>52212259
>Talked about males
I can understand not wanting them to collab with males but holy shit, now the mere *mention* of males is a fucking crime to you fragile faggots? Holy shit.

>>52224878
Japan doesn't need a quarantine to make people feel isolated

>>52224878
Because Japan is a depressing shithole society so japs have nothing better to do than watch anime bitch stream

>>52227342
no they arent right now she is overlapping 2 people
THERE IS VIRTUALLY NO EXCUSE TO NOT COLLAB RATHER THAN PLAYING SOME RANDOM ASS GAME ALONE.

Realistically speaking why is this?
Corona restrictions lifted and people leaving their homes for work and school again, so less time to watch chuubas?

>>52224878
have you seen what JP vtubers offer everyday compared to the WHOLE ASS EN MARKET
consatnt 3d live, outfits, multiple collabs, shows,etc
Weekends all the jp girls stream earlier long series and then on prime time they do collabs or tourist friendly streams or a lot of interaction between each other.
If i watch any EN stream pn the weekend the only thing i get is just another shitty as gaming stream alone again.

Any of these niggas saying covid lockdowns just ignore how fucking awful the girls and the whole market content is right now.

>>52227606
>THERE IS VIRTUALLY NO EXCUSE TO NOT COLLAB RATHER THAN PLAYING SOME RANDOM ASS GAME ALONE.
I don't think she has as much control over this as you'd think. She has been clear that she needs to request permissions to play Guilty Gear and FF16 at least a week in advance, so if she's already requested permission for a stream she wants to schedule, and a member comes up as available after, rescheduling can mean waiting a week or more plus adjustments to a bunch of other peoples schedules. Also not factoring in that everyone else may be subject to the same sorts of scheduling issues.

>>52227746
Top 3 who didnt decline are the tribalistic ones who dont collab with anyone outside of Hololive or Males

>>52228515
the 3 of them constantly overlap.
is it really worth a 2k strive stream over maybe even a zatsu togheter with irys or bae?

>>52183982
Reality does not care about your yab rrats.
They are almost always irrelevant.

Says gura's ccv is better though.

>>52176633
it's not a decline, it's stabilization. A correction to the over hype of the boom. Also Fauna saw positive change so who gives a shit regardless.

>>52176633
>the decline of EN vtubing
So why small corpo are all growing?

>>52201193
It's funny because mori IS lazy, it's just she maintained a constant work pace over several years while gura gave up once she realized she was sad and had a lot of money.

>>52220656
>HoloEN Singer was overshadowed by the hard push that Mori
Well she is the only singer in HoloEN duh?

>>52230759
VSinger label is a debuff, Suisei and Azki inclined after leaving INNK

>>52220780
>>52221906
It's important to note that Cover wants everybody to think that Tempus is EN3/4, but nobody's buying it, not the fans or the talents themselves.

Bad streamers and bad streams=lower views and less hype
simple as
EN vtubers are doing fine, indies and small corpo keep getting bigger
HoloEN and NijiEN are declining but that's their own skill issue, specially HoloEN
They had a literal first mover advantage and a monopoly for ages, they could have debuted gen 3 and gen 4 while they were ahead, they could have non stop cool events and collabs, they could regularly get 30k and 40k and aiming for even more like their JP senpais, they still have the strongest brand that mainstream people actually recognize.
But Cover decided to take ages with Gen 2 and straight up does not debut new gens anymore, and they let the girls burn out, get tired, lazy, bored and basically quit streaming. Management belittling the girls, not getting them permissions for games or their own content, at any given time there are HoloEN members on a long break, sometimes even 4 of them at once. With just 10 members imagine 60% of a branch being dead.
So the branch is more or less just carried by its momentum.
This is not a "EN vtubing" issue, it's a big corpo issue.
Imagine if Nintendo started making the shittiest games imaginable, those gamers won't switch over to other systems or other games right away, it might take ages for them to transition to something else because they are so attached to their comfort zone.
And of course there might be many who are not super passionate about gaming so if Nintendo goes away they might as well just stop playing shit.
That's where EN vtubing is at, HoloEN dropped the ball and its fans are now stuck between waiting for it to get better (it won't), moving to something else or just quitting vtuber's for good.

>>52231848
>EN vtubers are doing fine, indies and small corpo keep getting bigger
LMAO even

>>52233071
Where's the joke? Every small corpo has seen growth, some more than others, and there are new ones coming up. The indies are also doing very well and seeing growth.
The small corpos that have collapsed were poorly managed. Things are working as intended.
The good companies and good streamers are growing and the bad are declining.

>>52230681
>angsty emo teen Fauna
Forgive me Lord for I am a sinner