/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>5238283
kuzuha channel apex streams flopping??? end of an era??????

>>5238283
why is kuzuha on this list thrice

>>5238283
THE COCOCK CANNOT BE STOPPED

>>5238376
Anon, she's literally graduating two weeks from now. I'm pretty sure that's when she literally stops.

>>5238283
Get stomped by the true gamer cat, western whores.

>>5238443
it's just penetrating a new level

>>5238283
>tfw Ina double-taps the chart like her neighbors double-tap the kusa
Takos really will watch Ina do... wait...

>supported by Wacom / Clip Studio Paint
So she got double sponsored for two back-to-back streams? Is Ina that level of high profile?

>>5238283
Pekora is surrounded by pussy.

>>5238283
Hololive's Millionaires

Taking bets: How many ranks will Haachama go down before she comes back?

Caca is still using her popularity as hololive retirement to get more subscribers to her roommate channel.
I dislike it.

gura almost at 1m follows on twitter

>>5239083
good, you deserve to suffer, cunt.

>>5238283
Ina is the fucking goddess of consistency, no wonder she gets sponsors

>>5239083
If there is an indicator that Cover isn't at all upset by this when they normally would at least ask their talents to distance their roommates from their Chuubas, this is it.

>>5239221
Her roommate has 500k subscribers now.
Deal with it Holofags.

>>5238283
Is Gura going to be first Holo to 1 million followers on Twitter, or does another Holo already have 1 million?

>>5239352
She's gonna be the first vtuber in general to reach 1M twitter followers, if I'm not mistaken

>>5239221
>when they normally would at least ask their talents to distance their roommates from their Chuubas
Source? There's no precedent for Coco's case. Also, what do you expect Coco to do to "distance" her roommate from her chuuba persona? It's not as if she ever did anything to lure people to her roommate channel, people just found her because it's pretty much an open secret.

>>5239083
Fuck off vermin.

>>5238283
Wow Coco's stream surpassed 90k. I wonder how much the superchat total for that stream is. Did it break any records?

>>5238283
Ok, I admit I was wrong, I seriously thought Coco's Bday stream would be around 50~60k

>>5242748
$32k so far, but it is probably still counting or something, as few hours ago it was 20k. Id also not expect it to break any records, as fans should spend part of the money on the actual merch announced instead.

>>5238283
Newfag here. Where do you get those stats?

Not even the famed anime bunny of hololive can make people watch anime.

>>5244425
Wait that got an anime?

>>5244425
The anime was a bit meh, manga was better

>>5244425
Other Holos really should follow Miko's example when it comes to watch alongs. Doing it over on twitch creates excitement for the event. Not to mention that having a twitch account allows her to double dip with twitch subscriptions and twitch bits. Wonder how much additional income she gets from those? I imagine a lot of 35p have both her youtube membership and twitch subscription (like me) and I see Miko emotes everywhere on twitch.

>>5238962
Gura has the most VOD...

>>5249105
>What are averages
I don't think I can help you out anon. You might have a malfunction with your brain.

>>5238443
unless the numbers roll over to roomie account.
now that would be magical if it happened

>>5249470
That account went from 220k subs to 500k since the announcement with no new streams

Betting guraxmama is gonna beat mariotrio today, for the en side.

>>5238443
Nice anon I laughed for a good minute

After Coco's BIRTHDAY, the number of holo-live viewings was disrupted, and although the overall average was high, the top class was also sluggish.

I'd like to focus on Chiara's collaboration, which you've been bemoaning.
In Japan, the fact that it had a low rating of 1000 attracted attention for the first time. NyanNaz is not known in Japan at all (similar to the phenomenon of NijiSanji JP not being known).
Therefore, this collaboration can't be legitimately evaluated by Japanese people. Should we appreciate the fact that it is 23k despite the split between the two perspectives, or should we look down on the fact that it is outclassed by GAMERS?
To be honest, the Japanese are so ignorant that they don't even care about Calliope's collaboration with E Celebrity. I think it would be better to collaborate more with JP, since Japanese interest in EN is declining. Especially Same-chan.

Also, the fact that Trinity Mario was 22k just a few minutes ago will probably cause a rough comparison with Kiara.
In my opinion, it's a good enough result, as the GAMERS are closing in on them with almost no Japanese players.
(There are no more than 10 posts on the two Japanese underground forums combined)

From a Japanese perspective, it's a shame that Tsukino Misato's big announcement was only 20k.
The members of her announced album are very gorgeous in Japan.
However, the fact that this announcement was beaten out by Peco's usual Mikura and Kuzuha's unusual game made it hard to see the future of women in Japan in a straightforward manner.
In case you're wondering, both Kuzuha and Gekinomiyu have not been matched with Coco BIRTHDAY. Kuzuha is even more disadvantaged in the Japanese time zone.

It's also tough because Lizzy, another Niji-sanji female ace, is 11k.
I'm not sure if the Japanese are even watching the show, but I'm sure there are people around me who profess to still be watching Nijiji women in Japan and make fun of Hazu and Hololive for being a foreign flirt.
Kuzuha is trying to grow by playing various games because of his own sluggishness, so other than him, his partner Kano, and the rapidly growing Kenmochi, there's not much to keep an eye on.

The fact that Captain Marin's Portal 2 was sluggish proves that the Portal series is not popular in Japan. This is a very difficult thing to do, and she's right, there were a lot of foreign nicks, so it's hard to blame them. I think there is a possibility that the meme will explode.

>>5249371
>This is the current chumkek level of cope

>>5244025
Vnuma

>>5250899
3d world and portal are not popular series in the west anymore. so 22k are good. ina gura portal 2 collab is an example.
lizze is in kinda a slump becasue she doesnt want to let go of genshin.

>>5248994
is hard to move ALL of them to twitch. becasue that implies another membership to buy just to chat and use emotes. i dont think the insentive is enough. i do agree watchalongs on twitcth is one of its best feautres

>>5251312
Whats the difference of watchalongs in twitch?

>>5250899
>Japanese interest in EN is declining
explain?
and kuzuha just played a sponsored game, as well as SFV, it's nothing out of the norm or trying to grow numbers. he doesn't even advertise he's playing SFV as all those streams are apex/valo titled. and mochi is doing business as usual

>>5250899
>Nyanners collab
The Nyanners collab actually performed exceptionally well. It had 23k on Kiara's channel which is significantly higher than her average and it had another 20k on Nyanners' channel which is also quite a bit higher than her average.
>Trinity Mario
Mario is a debuff game for some reason and it was 4pm EST which isn't a great time for Burger viewers.

>>5251351
Watch alongs are a feature that is built directly into twitch so you don't need to download the movie or worry about syncing it up properly. It plays right through twitch itself.

>>5250899
> think it would be better to collaborate more with JP, since Japanese interest in EN is declining. Especially Same-chan.
same chan is doing find, she is the most clipped and has actual jp translator on her chat. if she wanted more japanese she would need to change timeslots

>>5251533
>if she wanted more japanese she would need to change timeslots
She actually doesn't. At most, she'd stream at 10pm instead of the morning. Most Holos tend to be late goers, but many of them would be up by the time that Gura normally plays through to (8pm to 2am).

>>5250899
Why do numberfags have an incessant tendency to make bold predictions about long term trends using only data from the very very recent past? Is it some brain disease? Is it the same brain disease that makes them numberfags?

>>5252127
>Is it the same brain disease that makes them numberfags?
This is my running theory.

>>5251426
Do they work on netflix? I know they have amazon partnership so it's expressively easy to do a watchalong with amazon prime but the watchalong that >>5244425 featured was sponsored. by netflix.

>>5252127
You're replying to a lost 5chfag who roams the board and loves to talk about Hololive numbers.

>>5250899
Nice try larping as a jap but it's pretty easy to see through

>>5251358
Japanese people do not look at EN as a reason for not being able to speak English.
The foreign nikis came to see Korone, Captain Marin and Mikuchi. However, Japanese people have a large number of choices in JP without seeing Amelia and Gura.
The decline in interest is felt because of the decline in the number of live streams on Japanese underground forums, the decline in awareness that there are streams, and the lack of awareness and buzz about outside collaborations for Calliope and Kiara.
As I mentioned earlier, there were almost no comments on the live stream forums (last year there would have been a few more).
However, this part may be my feeling. I have no concrete numbers. Sorry.

The fact that Kuzuha is VALORANT in the first place is one of the things he's trying to change.
Obviously he put up big numbers in Resident Evil, which is a lot different than when all he did was practice APEX competitions!

>>5253404
Numberfags are the same no matter where you go.

Yesterday's superchats

>56k+ Views for Kiara/Nyanners
I thought you faggots said they were dead weights for the respective companies?

>>5254320
>They think they're giving her some graduation money
>Cover probably told her that he's keeping all of the money post-YT tax and she can't tell a soul
IMAGINE

>>5254228
EN vtubers are not trying to get any jp audience, genius, that market is already way too saturated.

>>5254320
>>5238283
mitomito's album and merch announcement is why she's up there btw

>>5254434
rrats thread is over this way >>5222463

>>5251366
Does that mean it's worth the number of views even if it has over 1000 low ratings?

Trinity wasn't even in a good time slot for the US. It was also 5:00 a.m. for Japan, and I did my best to stay awake.
At the same time, I could understand the recent decline in Amelia's viewership.

>>5250899
It’s you again
> the fact that this announcement was beaten out by Peco's usual Mikura and Kuzuha's unusual game made it hard to see the future of women in Japan in a straightforward manner.
A woman beating another woman means something bad for the future of women in Japan?
> Kuzuha is trying to grow by playing various games because of his own sluggishness
Like what? He’s playing the same shit because that’s what he likes and he doesn’t care about playing what’s hot for clicks, unless you mean Bio which he played in part because his fans and a collaborator were begging him to

>>5254228
>The fact that Kuzuha is VALORANT in the first place is one of the things he's trying to change.
No? He just played it today
> Obviously he put up big numbers in Resident Evil
Which he hasn’t even played in ages

>>5254434
Ogey schizo

>>5254228
i doubt he'll play different games for numbers, or else he'd advertise he's doing SFV instead of hiding it behind apex every time. he even left kanae to go play SFV. and everyone played RE so i don't understand the mention of it

>>5254915
This is "for the women of Niji-sanji.
The big announcement of the top women in Nijiji doesn't attract more people at primetime than Peco's usual or worse, Kuzuha's projects.
I think this is unfortunate.

>>5255771
it's just album and goods announcement, why should it beat fucking pekora or kzh? it's information that will be on twitter, not some kind of special stream. even then, she got more SC on that stream than her past handful of streams.

>>5256202
>just album
An album is a big deal.

>>5255771
Just because a big number is beaten by a slightly bigger number doesn’t mean the one with the smaller number is doing bad, it’s still a big number

>>5256298
a big deal, but not 40k viewer big deal for mito. you need to think realistically.

>>5248994
True. I think they all should have twitch accont just in case. TwitchJP welcome hololive with an open arm and insta partnership. Idk about youtube partnership but seeing twitch that eager, they should took the chance.

>>5256202
>>5256628
A mid-tier Holo will be able to get more than 40k viewers by doing the same thing as Mito. Why are you trying to deny that women don't do well in Niji?

>>5250372

>>5258099
>hololive is more popular than nijisanji
holy shit really since when!??!?!

>>5258099
But Mito does do well

>>5242748
it wont break records, her highest was about 52k in a single stream since announcement but she has gotten 180k since the announcement stream total. I imagine since tatsunokos have been blowing this hard the entire time her actual final Live graduation stream wont break records either, maybe Hololive one but the highest record overall is pretty beefy as it stands.

>>5258505
>>5258643
Nah, I'm sure even the bottom of the barrel ones like Mel/Aki/Roboco/Towa can do better than Mito. If you're saying those Holos are more popular than Mito now then it's clear that female vtubers don't have a future in Niji.

>>5259128
But they don’t do better than her

>>5259128
those girls don't do better than mito lol, you can check playboard in 5 seconds and understand this

>>5238283
Where niji en at? As usual hololive beating the shit out of manjisanji.

>>5258466
Considering Gura's casual number is at 14k, both streams are fun to watch for Gura's fan.
Too bad that Gura's mama cannot beat the trinity, but 20k is a good number.

>>5260285
ye it was closer than i was expecting. glad for Mama

6/1-6/17 24:00

\23,505,588 Coco
\11,745,825 Rushia
\ 7,057,611 Watame
\ 5,868,480 Pekora
\ 4,606,689 Lamy
\ 4,624,965 Marine
\ 4,048,778 Kanata
\ 3,665,920 Nene
\ 3,463,637 Flare
\ 3,427,355 Korone
\ 3,169,469 Aqua
\ 2,495,169 Matsuri
\ 2,074,278 Noel
\ 1,922,393 Subaru
\ 1,728,855 Okayu
\ 1,644,291 Miko
\ 1,594,002 Fubuki
\ 1,502,323 Botan
\ 1,488,662 Aki
\ 1,463,765 Mio
\ 1,326,603 Roboco
\ 1,042,381 Haachama
\ 962,127 Suisei
\ 928,397 Polka
\ 632,342 Towa
\ 595,901 Shion
\ 432,360 Luna
\ 429,874 Sora
\ 222,551 Choco
\ 137,119 Mel
\ 0 Ayame

>>5259128
It's not a quirk.
The recent Luna song + announcement did not go 5000.
Roboko's convex + announcement is 16000.

However, Kenmochi's three announcements were 28,000 and Mikochi's conv + announcement was 48,000.

To be honest, in the Japanese sense, Tsukinomimi Usagi is more popular than Mikochi, so 20,000 is a sad figure considering that Roboko, who has a strong image of being unpopular even though she has convex+, has 16,000.
As for the fact that Kenmochi, who entered because he admired her, made a huge difference, it made me reconfirm that Niji has become male-dominated.

>>5254351
Who said that, actually?

>>5260285
Anon those are statistically identical numbers. Literal margin of error levels of difference.

>>5249568
Also if VNUMA start to count the number from Mildom then, we might see it happened.

>>5254320
Saw ayamy-mama jump ship from bilibili to full time YT is a good sign.

FACT for you to not use bilibili as a streaming platform

- Bilibili take 50% cut of any donation.
- It forced both donator an receiver to use REAL NAME.
- It also forced you to has moderator on your channel to be chinese too.
- As foreigner streamer , you will had a hard time to get those donation money withdrawed from their bussiness.
- Too many law about streaming that just enact this years also thrown into a mix.

>>5262488
>- Too many law about streaming that just enact this years also thrown into a mix that they will selectively enforce on people depending on how they feel about them (especially true for foreigners).

>>5260784
Holy shit Coco is making bank this month

>>5238610
it's one sponsorship they just wanted her to do the entire illustration process onscreen so it took a long ass time split into two streams. Usually she does some of the prep work and finishing stuff offscreen.

>>5239438
looks like she just hit it

>>5254703
Do you mean Dislikes? Those don't matter at all.

>>5254434
Cover has an incentive to keep her happy so she doesn't shit on them when she leaves. I'm sure their relationship at this point is "Here's a bunch of money, here's an NDA, have fun for a month then please fuck off."

https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/document/tw_ranking

Huh. I always thought Twitter was big in Japan and that Kizuna Ai had at least 1 mil followers there already

>>5260784
>Watame in 3rd place

So why do people not want to watch Kuzuha's APEX streams anymore? Because he didn't win the tourney?

>>5269745
he is getting his normal apex numbers stop thinking tournaments are the norm
check vnuma you fucking BAKA and bump the thread with a better post next time

>>5255771
>>5258099
>>5259128
>>5260996
Mito is getting a steady 15-18k on her regular streams now. The announcement simply wasn't hyped much. She's actually beating Kuzuha now if his recline continues.

>>5269813
Those aren't his normal numbers. He got 25-30k before the tourney.

>>5267592
Birthday stream. Don't expect her to be this high for so long sheepfucker.

>>5258466
check the total views though

>>5258793
>hololives record
how small did you think it was?

>>5269940
During scrims anon.

Coco is raking it in and her merch will make a killing too. It’s not an overstatement to say that giving Coco a grand send off instead of just axing her unceremoniously/her leaving without warning like Chris or Aloe means millions of additional revenue split between her and Cover. Her final stream is going to be bonkers

>>5270765
We're talking about superchats here retard

>>5270934
they are all just donations in the end

>>5238962
The numbers are fucking absurd man...

>>5270967
Donations to a streamer and to a charity really aren't comparable

>>5271047
donating to a streamer is still charity, anon

>>5270765
That's charity and a completely different ballpark

>>5271065
Donating to a streamer is not tax deductible

Gura had been on a recline lately, but tomorrow's karaoke will fix that

>>5271118
that's today's evening
just warning you because it wont be archived

>>5238610
As an illustrator Ina is the most popular art streamer in the world at the moment. Her roommate also has an extensive portfolio and she has a proven track record of professional work. For CSP and Wacom who are marketing to a very specific audience she is a top tier shill. There are other artist youtubers that have a lot of views but they target kids. I suspect a disproportionately huge part of Ina’s audience actually draws and has the money to spend on artist tools.

>>5260784
Goddamn, Kaichou makin dollas hand over fist! Offtopic but I really do like how Coco's graduation is being handled. It feels more like a celebration of her achievements than a funeral of the character and I hope that this becomes the SOP for graduating chuubas not just in Hololive but for all Corpo or even indie chuubas. Don't be sad that it ended, be happy that it happened.

>>5271313
In Coco's case part of it is also damage control, but I don't disagree.

Busy day
>Holo ID
>Aki
In Aki's case she has a SERIOUS branding problem. You search pretty much any of the last name of any of the girls
>Korone
>Okayu
>Haato
Even some with huge overlap with famous anime characters
>Shion
>Subaru
and you'll get them.

Rosenthal? 10000 faggots diluting the search. Aki? Some other 10000 other thinks, including a huge overlap in the weeb land
>Akidearest

Even fucking Subaru managed to claw herself into the SEO (competing with the car and the Re:Zero bloke), Aki is doomed.

>>5276713
The difference in opularity between the IDs is astronomical.
An unarchived karaoke stream from Moona gets between 8k and 10k live viewers, but ollie barely scraps by with 2k (and that's not even talking about buried girls like Iofi and Anya

>>5277199
in the specific case you mentioned, Moona is a much better singer than Ollie. In terms of regular streams they are not too far from each other, unless it is minecraft.

>>5277267
It's Moona. She sings kino songs from the 2000s.

>>5271224
She’s also sooooooooooo cute bros

>>5277199
There is what >>5277267 said, Moona is a fucking Disney princess speaking. Lots of her impromptu singing nonsense made up lyrics on Minecraft is better than even some of Sora or Suisei.
She clearly did that either for a living or for college money in her previous life.

About HoloID I talked about that on Haachama's world before and I'll repeat here. Source for everything is https://trackholo.live/en/ amd this humble Haaton memory:

ID girls other than Moona completely missed the boat.
Last trimester of 2020 gave them all a boost but, other than Moona, they all failed to capitalize on it.

Moona put the ID girls on the map and, thanks to HoloEN debut and the fact all ID girls actually stream in english they all got a huge boost after that "LapisAzuri give me" event.
Moona was smart and understood that tagging along and becoming a proper "Hololive member" was the way to go instead of retreating to being "Hololive Indonesia".

Risu managed some success with NNN but stopped hanging out with JP girls and faded. Iofi likewise, her thing is the same as Ina thing except she doesn't have the same audience so, by avoiding collabs she also faded.
Giving in to ID retards demands to stream in bahasa finished sinking their battleship, whatever english speaking audience they managed to acquired shied away from their ID only streams and that was that.

Along with Moona, Ollie figured things out and it shows in her growth

>>5277543
Here is all ID girls, there is a very clear pattern there
>Moona and Ollie growth track each other
because both collab a lot with JP girls and get their name out there as english speaking JP adjacent streamers which are fully featured Hololive streamers, not "Hololive Indonesia" streamers.
>Reine doesn't, but is the greatest growth out of the rest
more or less for the same reason: lots of collabs, lots of EN speaking
> Anya, Iofi and Risu growth (or lack thereof) track each other
Mostly because they maintain a mixed schedule with lots of ID pandering, little interaction with other girls specially Iofi, which used to even have a recurring thing with Sora but somehow shrink back into being "Hololive Indonesia".

>>5277543
>>5277672
With all that said: Holo ID "other" girls growth track the lowest performing JP girls very well. Here is AZKI, Aki and Luna for comparison with regards to subs.

This also goes to show how steep is Moona and Ollie growth in comparison.

>>5267586
Twitter IS big in Japan. It has more Japanese users than there are American ones as a percentage of their respective populations (50m vs 65m respectively).

The VTuber market isn't as big as you imagine it is.

>>5238962
how much subs does hololive get every day? jesas

>>5277543
>thanks to holoen
What did anon mean by this?

>>5277816
>>5277672
>>5277543
Now this is a propper numberfag
Proud of you, anon

>>5276713
Aki still has her name in Japanese which drops her to the bottom of my sub list so I forget she’s streaming.

>>5277543
>>5277672
>>5277816
Now to wrap up, a trio of heavy hitters will be added
>Pekora
>Marine
>Rushia

It makes all of the others except Moona and Ollie (holo ID, Luna, AKZI, AKi) growth rate look like midgets. That's not to belittle any of the girls, but to highlight the opportunity that is being left in the table there.

Is there a donation ranking?
Not superchat

>>5278010
>What did anon mean by this?
HoloEN expanded the english speaking market way beyond
>weebs that put up with not speaking japanese in a japanese only speaking entertainment field

It added
>casual EOP that couldn't care less about japanese only speaking because there are english speaking entertainers in the market now

>>5276713
Anon, you don't search them by the last name, you search them by the first name (Pekora Ch, Fubuki Ch, etc etc). The problem is that her channel doesn't have her name in Romanji (like her old channel) so she isn't easy to find at all by name.

>>5278055
>>5278150
Still on the impact of HoloEN: the biggest contribution was to open a new adjacent market but without lots of overlap with the JP market.

Here is a HoloEN (minus Gura and Calli) comparison with JP 3rd generation (minus Flare). This is **NOT** to compare them head to head but to show that
1) other than the breakout success of Gura (for being a fucking monster in growth) and Calli (for being a "multidisciplinary" streamer with a music side at very least as successful as her streaming side) HoloEN experienced a very immediate growth in subs only to "smooth" to what the most successful JP were achieving.

Then there is Flare in that generation too: quality and profitability over quantity. She's not a meme nor panders to EOP but whatever she's selling her fan base is buying.

>>5278504
In Aki's case you can search by either and it will return pure trash. People knows Korone as Korone, Okayu as Okayu, Haato as Haato or Haachama.

Aki Rosenthal is just cursed with a name you need to search her with her full birth name + SSN + mother's maiden name to find anything exclusive to her.

>>5278521
And then there is Gura.

It is pretty much a case of
>Tide goes in
>Tide goes out
>YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT!
or
>MAGNETS
>HOW DO THEY WORK?

People can theorize all they want to explain this growth. Zero people can answer that satisfactorily

>>5278574
If I had money to drop on a max level fat aka, telling Aki to fix her SEO shit would be on the top of my priority list.

>>5278962
Reminds me of Watame used to have official clip compilations on her channel but they never did it as a premier or translated the title into English (clips were translated).
Management being stupid as usual.

>>5278962
It would be wasted money because she likely doesn't deal with that herself, she cannot deal with that without changing her name and she likely doesn't have the expertise even to request whatever change could be made to help her channel.

She also doesn't have the type of following Haachama has: Haaton collectively work almost as hard as Haato herself to provide content and fix any problem (perceived or real) in her streams, branding, image and production.

Sadly for her Aki is not her blessed, her audience is more passive. Most of the lowest performing share that too, a passive audience that doesn't supplement their oshi too much

>>5278848
They are english youtuber, there i said it

>>5279032
>Management being stupid as usual.
Nips don't care about expanding their audience away from their island: their sponsors are almost all local (like Family Mart or Bushiroad).

Think about it: the biggest wet dream Cover and Hololive Production could ever have would be a partnership with either
>Kadokawa
or
>Nintendo

Not Funimation, not Crunchyroll, not Microsoft. Local nip companies targeting local nip market.

>>5279342
As opposed to Ina, Amelia and Kiara, in the same showing similar growth to the JP girls?

>>5279145
>It would be wasted money because she likely doesn't deal with that herself, she cannot deal with that without changing her name and she likely doesn't have the expertise even to request whatever change could be made to help her channel.
Changing your channel name isn't the hardest thing to do. The problem is that changing your name takes away the verified badge, so you have to contact management to let them know that they will need to come in contact with YT staff in Japan to recover the verified badge after the name change. If she doesn't care about the verified badge like Haachama then she can just do all of it herself and tell what she did to management later.

>>5279377
They cared enough to translate a 15min clip compilation but not enough to translate the title of the video? I think that’s just incompetent management.

>>5279377
>Kadokawa
Anon, they already have a marketing deal with Kadokawa. Where do you think Book Walker comes from?

>>5279377
Their growth was also huge tho compared to the main branch, its just A and senzawas ironic weeb watchers propelled gura to algorithm

>>5279412
It's not the fact it is in kana, it is the fact
>Aki
and
>Rosenthal
aren't unique or memorable. Even
>Rosetai
is more memorable than either

>>5279555
Aki has a similar problem with Roboco where she just doesn’t have many clippable moments as well.

>>5279497
Book Walker is Book Walker, they sponsor any tim, tom or harry on Youtube (including most anitubers) because they're trying to break into a market they have zero presence.

I mean Kadokawa as in Re:Zero, Overlord, Shield Hero and Konosuba Kadokawa, getting Holos to do tie in and cross promotion with their heavy hitters (like Holo did with PriConn btw).

>>5279424
> They cared enough to translate a 15min clip compilation
In their defense I think you are giving management too much credit here. It was more lilely than not some fan made compilation with either auto translation or fan made provided translation that got an OK from management
> hey mane, I have this compilation some fans sent / that I made myself and fans subbed. Can I upload it?
> OK

The two biggest complaints about Hololive in this place and many others are
>management exercises too much editorial control and hinder the girls creativity
hinder the girls creativity
> management exercises does not exercise enough editorial control and allows for the girls to make avoidable mistakes

>>5279822
It has the same translation style as the translator of the main channel videos.
I think it was a series of 10 videos all 15min compilations or so.

>>5279506
>Their growth was also huge tho compared to the main branch
Initially yes but it smoothed out. You missed the chart included in the post? Here is it again, you can play with the tool below and see for yourself.
Gura is off the charts. Calli has a greater growth than any other Holo, but not by much.

Ame, Ina and Kiara are growing at the same relative pace as 3rd gen (minus Flare).

https://trackholo.live/en/

>>5279987
Samefagginf here.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ34fLWik_iArw4DunbRP2Y_PFXmhx_m5
That’s the link to the playlist.

>>5271224
if the takodachis on here are any indication, that is definitely the case.

>>5270742
Cope

>>5271313
I assume it is SOP for graduation of successful vtubers who aren't moving on due to scandal.

PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST
>HEY VTUBER NUMBERFAGS
>HOW MANY LAYERS OF SIMULTANEOUS VIEWERS IS YOUR OSHI ON
>l-like, maybe 100k, 200k when all the stars align and the heaviest hitters are there
>YOU'RE LIKE A LITTLE BABY
>WATCH THIS
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/06/nintendos_direct_dominated_e3_2021_peaking_at_3_1_million_viewers

>>5279506
>its just A and senzawas ironic weeb watchers propelled gura to algorithm
if you really think that's the case, it's no wonder your don't work in marketing.

>>5279822
>>5279377
do you agree that it's management? my rrat is that investors got scared to shit after the taiwan incident, which cause the whole company to stiffen up about everything since investors of course are adverse to geopolitics and international affairs. cover management seemed fairly lax in the past, so i can only imagine the company's growth has penned them in creatively by having to be more wary of the global audience.

>>5279555
Anon, you really think that HoloJP have unique/memorable names? They're not special even by Japanese standards. When the biggest problem that you have is SEO, your name being memorable is the least of your concerns.

>>5277672
Moona doesn't collab nearly as much as Ollie tho, especially with JP and EN.

>>5280902
>>>/v/

Gawr Gura reaches 1 million followers in twitter and of course we're gonna numberfag
>1M Club
Gawr Gura: 1M
>900K Club
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>+800K Club
Shirakami Fubuki: 873.7K
Minato Aqua: 853.9K
Hoshou Marine: 853K
Usada Pekora: 849K
Inugami Korone: 806.2K
>+700K Club
Uruha Rushia: 790.5K
Calliope Mori: 757.2K
Amelia Watson: 754.1K
Ninomae Ina'nis: 727.K
Akai Haato: 714.9K
Shirogane Noel: 713.5K
Natsuiro Matsuri: 705.9K
Kiryu Coco: 705.7K
>+600K Club
Nakiri Ayame: 676.7K
Nekomata Okayu: 665K
Oozora Subaru: 661K
Takanashi Kiara: 639K
Sakura Miko: 635.7K
Amane Kanata: 633.1K
Tsunomaki Watame: 619.4K
Murasaki Shion: 606.3K
>+500K Club
Hoshimachi Suisei: 599.5K
Ookami Mio: 538.6K
Tokoyami Towa: 530.2K
Shishiro Botan: 530.1K
Yukihana Lamy: 523.9K
Shiranui Flare: 515.9K
Omaru Polka: 505.7K
>+400K Club
Tokino Sora: 493.2K
Momosuzu Nene: 487.4K
Yuzuki Choco: 465.6K
Roboco: 461.7K
Himemori Luna: 449.7K
Moona Hoshinova: 409.5K
Yozora Mel: 406.6K
>+300K Club
Aki Rosenthal: 391.7K
Kureiji Ollie: 373.1K
>+200K Club
Airani Iofifteen: 291.4K
AZKi: 281.7K
Ayunda Risu: 273.3K
Pavolia Reine: 241.1K
Anya Melfissa: 216.8K
the question now is: will Gura tweet something about it? of course not!

>>5278574
just type aki ch Her channel will be the first thing.

>>5280947
Anon, even after getting the green light from management, youtube still shadowbans and cancels some of her streams.
Her contents are hard to be monetized for the all-age audience.

>>5280947
>do you agree that it's management?
Yes but not for the reason most people claim.
>cover management seemed fairly lax in the past
For one and only one reason. Cover Corp was a tech startup trying to sell cheap iPhone compatible easy to rig Live2D software.

To achieve that goal they hired some JK aspiring to be idol, have her an iPhone, create an Youtube channel and made her the company mascot (more what Hatsune Miku became for Crypton than what Kisuna AI for upd8).
After a few failed attempts to replicate either AI (and other bigger VTubers) solo success or Crypton massive breakthrough success with Miku they likely went
>fuck it, we'll market this software direct to the intended audience: streamers

Long story short (and in an oversimplified way of describing it) to achieve that
>they dropped Sakura Miko solo project
>dropped Robocosan solo project
>deprioritized INNK (almost to the point of losing Suisei altogether)
and bet their farm on the following idea
>if enough NND influential streamers succeed by using our tool it will surely be a success
Enters Gen1, whose goal was clearly to become "influencers" in the ffield and provide exposure for the tool.

They didn't have even the concept of "talent management" back them, to a point Matsuri didn't thought SHE WOULD HAVE TO PAY COVER FOR THE SOFTWARE THEY GAVE HER

Hololive only became a proper "talent agency" when circumstances forced them to

>Mel whole incident
>Capcom suit and Mio getting two strikes
>Aloe thing
>West Taiwan nigger chimpout

before that they were a tech company allowing "influencers" to use their product and brand to push their name out there, not unlike that energy drink (BANG) and the instagram thots pushing it.

After having to hire intellectual property lawyers, international law lawyers, likely bodyguards for some of the girls and assembling a whole operation abroad in the US to manage EN of course they would get more strict than when they were giving a 16 years old chick an iPhone and telling her
>do as you wish

>>5238962
Okayu is such a sleeper hit. No one ever really talks about her, but goddamn she's up there.

>>5281663
Pretty much they never intended or expected to become a talent agency and were forced to grow up through various company destroying crisis that they managed to survive from.
Their current plan seems to be to capitalize on the popularity of their talents by creating a metaverse of games, manga and promotional music videos on top of what they’re currently doing.
There was mention of creating a streaming site but there has been zero news on that since January.

>>5280947
>>5281663
>cover management seemed fairly lax in the past
>For one and only one reason. Cover Corp was a tech startup trying to sell cheap iPhone compatible easy to rig Live2D software.
Matsuri has mentioned before how extremely strict management was back in the very early days though, and that it only lightened up with 2nd and 3rd gen?

>>5281663
>Hololive only became a proper "talent agency"
i think this happened way earlier, probably around gen 3, but the problem was that they started out as a tech company so most of the staff weren't really prepared or had the experience to deal with the growing pains, hence the resulting scandals.

>>5282039
Roboco mentioned in Holotalk that management was near non-existent in the early days. It wasn’t until gen 3 that they started adopting the idol branding. Okayu even mentioned once that she was thinking of quitting when they told her she has to sing and dance. (Holofes 1 I believe)

What's your opinion on Ichikara buying Hololive and Holostars? Ichikara will let them keep their Idol image while providing them better 3D tech, recording studio, management and sponsorships. The girls from nijisanji can have more collabs with popular Hololive girls and the Holostars can collab with popular Nijisanji guys. Is it a win-win?

>>5282039
i guess it depends by what we mean by strict and lax, because subaru's stories of early management make them sound like they were just fucking around. they may or may not have been strict in a sort of objective sense, but comparing with maimoto's stories of nijisanji management around the same time, it seems they weren't that bad.

>>5282159
>Ichikara
Who?

>>5282134
>>5282176
I suppose it could have just been this one thing with matsuri they got onto then. Specifically I was thinking of her mentioning that they kept scolding her for getting mad in games and banned her from hitting her desk, and it wasn't until rushia came along that they lightened up.

>>5282159
>What's your opinion on [complete fucking fanfic]?

>>5282081
>probably around gen 3
That's what they wanted to be back then but there is a CHASM between "wanting very hard" and "working towards" and they were in the first camp

>>5281871
>by creating a metaverse of games, manga and promotional music videos on top of what they’re currently doing.
Yeah, but that's too much work for what they're capable of now, they still rely too much on
>temporarily authorized copyright infringement

It is a pattern that repeats over and over not only with them but across the industry (both among companies, indies and fan made stuff)
>pulls off stuff as a small company that is technically illegal but definitely not under the radar of people with any power to enforce
>grows
>gets their shit pushed sideways for things they got away with repeatedly while small
Capcom suing them was the wake up moment for the company, even more than West Taiwan, even more than the demonetization crisis, even more than anything else.

Very few people know but Hololive came this close >.< of receiving what is pretty much the death penalty with regards to streaming and here is why:
>Capcom got tired of Cover using their property without as much as asking permission (which they would likely give) so they striked Mio's channel twice, held the third and sued Cover
Very few people understand what three strikes mean on a Google property
>your account is deleted and all your videos and comments are erased
>all your associated accounts on Google property (GMail, Google Play Store, Google Music, Google Voice whatever) are also banned
>you are banned from ever creating a new account in any of Google's properties (meaning you can no longer create another channel)
and, here is the kicker
>any company that creates an account and give you access can also have their own account and all associated accounts banned
Here is an example: https://medium.com/android-news/google-just-terminated-our-start-up-google-play-publisher-account-on-christmas-day-5cb69a454da0

Capcom is also MASSIVE in comparison with Cover. Here is one for numberfags: see this pic?
That ".6 billion" on Capcom revenue that would usually be rounded down is 4x larger than Cover.
I said it on some other thread: that suit and Cover swearing on their ancestors grave that "if Capcom let them slide they will make sure the girls have permission from the for everything they stream from them on" was the pivotal moment when they became a company with rules that are enforced.

>>5282039
>Matsuri has mentioned before how extremely strict management was back in the very early days though, and that it only lightened up with 2nd and 3rd gen?
Link?

>>5282159
>The girls from nijisanji can have more collabs with popular Hololive girls
Wut? What's preventing them?

>>5282159
>Ichikara
Not up to speed on your branding reps, huh, anon?

Anyway, they can't afford it. Hololive is a more valuable brand on its own than all of AnyColor put together.

>>5282514
Which made me chuckle when Capcom started giving Mio a lot of sponsorships right after they got permissions from them. Felt like a peace offering to me.
>>5282535
Nothing.
The girls still collab with Nijisanji if they want to. Many of them just prefer to stick to Hololive.

>>5282159
Anycolor cant even manage 1 oversea branch. much less a potential entire division with much larger fanbase than them.

>>5282357
i remember watching that clip, but i also feel like there was probably a context that's missing in this specific discussion

>>5282357
>I was thinking of her mentioning that they kept scolding her for getting mad in games and banned her from hitting her desk
Haha, the rebel "Ore ga hololive da" phase from Matsuri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcOjygrjBlQ

She was surely getting plastered on stream on the regular back then haha.

>>5282618
They can't afford each other.
We'll see how it goes 2 years from now when the waves of graduation begin.

>>5282789
>They can't afford each other.
I didn't say (or meant to imply) that Cover could buy out AnyColor, just that it would have a financially devastating move for them to try to buy out Hololive of all things.

>>5238563
Three western "whores" stomped everybody else
Coco(atlanta) 93k, nyanners+kiara ~50k total for the two streams.

>>5282876
A birthday stream from a unique graduating holo, and adding 2 streams together. Low effort cope.

>>5238563
Anon, Coco is on top of that list...

>>5254320
Wow, Kiara despite her biggest collab ever not even ranking in supachats

>>5282653
>Which made me chuckle when Capcom started giving Mio a lot of sponsorships right after they got permissions from them. Felt like a peace offering to me.
It was. Most people talk shit about "japanese IP laws" but they don't understand: THERE IS ZERO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JP AND (let's say) THE USA LAW WITH REGARDS TO WHAT GOT COVER IN TROUBLE

The difference is:
>US companies see any positive exposure (like the one gained by influencers consuming and enjoying their products) as "free marketing"
>JP companies see any unauthorized use of their property as theft, burglary and an affront to their culture, way of life and the one of of their ancestors

It is a cultural thing you can see even on Minecraft JP server

Korone "panicked" for accidentally "stealing" one (1) wool from Haachama's sheep farm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-nUbkj5kaw
that's how serious they take other people property: it doesn't matter that it will grow back as soon as the sheep eats some grass. It was not her to take so she would rather cross the whole server looking for wild sheep than to take something without asking.

That almost cost Ollie everything on her first JP minecraft visit when she pretended to steal diamonds from Usada Trade Center
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlpB222oPkY

Had Moona not swiftly punished her (redeeming Ollie in front of the JP audience) she would likely end up being some outcast for failing to read the room and understand the cultural repercussions of taking things that don't belong to her without asking permission first.

Capcom got what they wanted from Cover
>a public apology with a dash of publish shaming
>formal request for permission
which they gladly gave because killing Mio or killing Hololive was never the point.

If it was they could just three strike all of the Hololive Gamers and they would never be able to stream on Youtube ever again EVER

>>5282876
>nyanners+kiara ~50k total for the two streams.
HAHAHA, that's some cope there anon. That's not how you count collab views.

>>5283038
Are you sure you're in the right thread anon? this is schizo central, not adult world and cultural sensibilities training. Your word kinda wasted here i think. Mind you i'm not complaining.

>>5283217
>Are you sure you're in the right thread anon? this is schizo central,
Smells like home to me

>>5283217
>Are you sure you're in the right thread anon?
Not him, but outside of the tribalfagging shitposting, people in the numbers threads seem to be far more reasonable than most people in live discussion threads.

THEY ARE
very close in views in the last 30 days

>>5283217
>this is schizo central
sounds like you are just as lost >>5222463

>>5283038
Reminds me of what Firewatch devs did.
Blanket permissions so pewdiepie streamed the game, Firewatch devs hate pewdiepie so they strike him.

>>5282983
>Coco
>Western
anonchama...

Gura's birthday is this Sunday. How much SC do you think she would get?
Mori has the musician fanbase that threw 40k.
Ina has the artist fanbase that threw 40k.
Ame has the gamer fanbase that were poor and still are.
Gura has the depressed nostalgia fanbase, do you think they will throw more than 40k?

>>5283443
>Ame has the gamer fanbase that were poor and still are.
They threw a lot of money for pets but not for her

>>5283443
30-40k sounds reasonable to me.

>>5283443
it's a special occasion, she's going to beat the SC record

>>5283692
for birthday streams?

>>5283791
no? in general.

>>5270765
amelia is -15k from this stream anon, thats charity money not hers lmao.

>>5283373
>Blanket permissions so pewdiepie streamed the game, Firewatch devs hate pewdiepie so they strike him.
That's why I called it
>temporarily authorized copyright infringement

When your livelihood depends on the continued existence of your Youtube channel you sure as hell must get written permission for everything you publish otherwise it does not matter how much you say
>no copyright infringement intended
it is still copyright infringement and it does not matter how much the copyright owner says
>everybody can go ahead and publish it
changes of mind are pretty much like present day western madness and "retroactive rape charges": you think it was consensual until the other party changes their mind and all of a sudden you are in front of a judge (if you're lucky) or locked up / copystriked

>>5281217
Holy shit I just realized not even kizuna Ai has one million twitter followers. Gura really is the first to reach one million.

>>5283443
cumbabies don`t have much money
I say 50k

>>5283443
Probably a moderate amount around 40k, but nothing record breaking like it will be Coco's graduation.

Today`s numbers

>>5283944
Hololive is literally dead without Pekora.

>>5283443
Gura has the children fanbase. They can't donate that much.

>>5283944
>hostman S O U Lful guitar stream almost beat tokyo ghoul google shill stream
nature is healing

>>5283869
That's actually fucking huge. Even in some weeb adjacent fields (like cosplay) the heaviest hitters are at close range for Gura to pass already.

>>5283980
>9 of top 10 are holo
>literally dead

>>5283944
did you miss her bros? because she`s back to INCLINING.
also coco`s momentum seems to be running out, although she might recover it with more collabs

>>5283980
The fuck are you talking about, the top nine spots are all occupied by hololive. If anythjng it's more appropriate to day that nijisanji is dead with Kuzuha

>>5284059
People are starting to recover from the shock of the announcement. She'll probably pick up again as July 1st approaches

>>5284059
To be honest she's doing pretty low for a meme game like Henry stickmin, especially in that time slot. Even Fubuki managed to get close to 20k with that game and she played it during euro hours

>>5283038
gotta say anon I appreciate these posts, idk how true alot of it is but its very interesting reads for a mongolian basket weaving forum that has just enough rationality that it feels real.

>>5283980
17 out of 25 is Hololive. 1 out of those 8 non-holo is featuring a Holo. I don't know what you mean by saying it will be dead without Pekora. Pekora does not have to stream today and Hololive will still dominate.

>>5284157
>idk how true alot of it is
It is usually all sourced to first party resources (own talent speaking, text of law, press releases by the companies involved), there is very few space for shenanigans there.

>>5283980
By that assumption Nijisanji is dead without Kuzuha.

>>5284238
>Kuzuha
Let's be honest, they're pretty dead with Kuzuha by that standard

>>5284238
Except Kuzuha's success is his only. He may be under Nijisanji but there is no reason others should get credit for what he and his fanbase achieve.

>>5284311
Today number feels so dead to me. I dont know why, maybe its the game becase minecraft took the lion share for these numbers. Even the vaunted niji more game permission looks like a meme with apex/valo/genchink again and again.

>>5284496
8 out of 17 of holo streams were MC. You could have watched the other half not play MC. The MC stream between the shiranui kensetsu members is by far the most chaotic stream I have watched them do.

>>5284496
> There's a collab
Hooray!
> It's a paid promo
Uhhhhhh....
> There's a collab
Hooray!
> It's 51 clubhouse
Uhhhhhh....
> There's a collab
Hooray!
> It's mario cart/party
Uhhhhhh....

I think minecraft is fine since it's basically RP + zatsudan.

Im still waiting for AkuKen to come back to minecraft and remind their rivals what true fear is

Guys, I think he is being sarcastic

>>5284757
>it's basically RP + zatsudan.
It is also guerrilla collabs, something that is much more expontaneous than pre planned collabs.

new v-trendhopper in town!

>>5284901
I still remember the ridiculous buffs the bottom of the barrel members got from that collab

>>5287951
why are western streamers hopping on now. i know some did during the original peak last year but is there much of an incline going on now or did it just take this long for them to sort out models.

>>5289203
the guy in that pic is a massive shitposter and burns money for fun

>>5289248
i know of him but i've seen a couple of streamers suddenly get models/do their debut and was wondering why they didn't do it at last years peak

>>5283944
But I thought that Gooruh had the best numbers.

>>5289312
My guess is because Vshojo is starting to make real noise in Twitch now

>>5289405
actually, that makes some sense i guess since before vtubers were seen as a youtube exclusive

>>5287951
> barely above his average viewership
https://twitchtracker.com/sodapoppin

>>5289446
Can't wait until Vnuma adds him and he mogs everyone except Pekora every day...

>>5289312
Maybe they were interested, but they didn't want to get shitted on with rushed models and/or rigging?

>>5289491
They`re already on it, give it a day

>>5284157
He left out the part of Capcom striking Mio's 6 month old playthrough of Ghost Trick right around the time Capcom got into a partnership with a certain mid tier streaming agency, but thats just a silly narrative.

>>5289491
Just wondering, but does Vnuma actually consider irl streamers that suddenly get models as fully fledged vtubers? Like would Pewdiepie (who actually has a model) or someone like xQc suddenly decides to hop on the vtuber train, be considered? Cause if that's the case then that would honestly muddy up everything in terms of numbers and shit.

>>5289897
Happened with Bahroo

>>5289897
it'll probably depend on if he keeps using it

>>5288672
This day was insane. Even the Usaken buff can barely get somebody like Towa to 10k. The Akukin buff got freaking Iofi to 40k.........40 fucking k. Holy shit.

>Bahroo and Sodapoppin are mogging hololive minus Pekora, as shitposting vtubers
lmao

>>5290516
>The Akukin buff got freaking Iofi to 40k
They got a SSR cast that day too, more or less on peak Minecraft interest in that serevr
>Iofi
>Choco
>Mel
>Mio
>Marine
>Aki
Many of those either never returned or made passing appearances after that. Special numbers for a special date.

>>5290693
how the fuck did she manage to only hire workers who never play minecraft?

>>5290902
because her group never plays minecraft as well

>>5290902
Aqua is a bit.....special. pls andastahnd.

>>5290902
>how the fuck did she manage to only hire workers who never play minecraft?
She has ZERO leadership skills or interpersonal communication skills.
She built all her stuff underground to make sure she wouldn't have to interact with other members.

The only reason she only pushed through with it was because she felt it would help her "get out of her shell" like it did help Pekora
>SPOILER: it didn't

>>5290693
Don't forget Nene got over 50k before her outfit change buff when she still had fewer subs than Aki

>>5290530
>lmao
Go back to your split thread

>>5289355
In many things? Yes. In everything? No.

>>5289830
i dont see how this significantly changes the narrative, partner with vtubers see that other vtubers are already going at it with your games then strike them down but dont kill them which they had all the power to do.

>>5291125
It's a shame really. Akukin seemed like it could have had a bright future ahead. Even if Aqua wasn't a natural leader, Mio and Marine are more than competent enough to gather and direct pretty much any group of holos throughout any project, and they seemed really invested in the idea.

>>5289355
Stop it, pekora already crushed their oshi in vod numbers so they only have subs and Twitter followers to use now

>>5287951
it's over
next is xqc and forsen, then the spanish whales
its been a short but good time

>>5294771
religionfag here, gonna start including xQc chuuba debut + tokyo ghoul collab in my daily prayers

>>5293031
>and they seemed really invested in the idea.
No they didn't. They treated it as RP instead of fully committing and got exactly what they wanted out of it
> scripted comedy
Both in the ship construction, with the prison being the punchline and the relay, with asking for and being denied a raise and blowing Aqua sky high

Contrast with Pekora, which is really commited into making MC an extension of her relations with the rest of the Holomem. They get together, do something in group, do their own thing and interact there.
Reminds me of old D&D groups, you would quickly see who was committed to their character and who would risk dying and killing the whole party for a funny roll.

>>5295226
How is making it into scripted comedy somehow incompatible with being invested? Also, you clearly didn't even watch those AquaMarine collabs from when they were building the ship if you thing they were just a set up for a punchline.

>>5294682
Actually I’m pretty sure Gura is still ahead in average VOD views. I think Gura wins in everything except for average live views.

>>5295446
>How is making it into scripted comedy somehow incompatible with being invested
It isn't incompatible. The lack of follow up after the punchline proves the point tho.

>Also, you clearly didn't even watch those AquaMarine
I did. I am not detracting from the very good interaction between Aqua and Marine, you clearly got the wrong impression from it.

The whole conversation is about how Aqua, even willing to gun for a leadership position, failed because she doesn't have the people skill to pull it off.
Truth be told, nor does Pekora but she really struck gold when she landed Moona in the position of "leadership by example" she holds today.
Moona is a "doer", whatever she's at she does to completion and to perfection too. Pekora likewise and when people see what both did together under "Usaken" banner they had to step up their game.

>>5297614
Aqua didn't have the motivation or the skill to pull it off, but I was talking about Mio and Marine being invested in the idea, not Aqua. They're both extremely good at leading projects involving several holos and they were clearly on board for the ride. That's why I said it's a shame. It's a wasted opportunity because you had all the pieces there, two great supporters to help Aqua conduct projects, huge fanbase AND talent engagement and a memorable (re)inauguration day with the stream relay, but the key piece which was Aqua just let it die out, or rather, let herself nearly die playing APEX while Akukin slowly became nothing but a memory.

Gura just moved to top.

>>5301600
Won't really be considered until Tomorrow's update/thread, though.

>>5301600
yesterday's videos didn't leave yet

>>5301600
Graduated dragon losing to host? For real? Holofans already don't care about her huh, that's peak locust move right there.

>>5301600
>UNARCHIVE
its sad that she had to do it to surpass suisei's karaoke stream number

>>5301600
what would be pekoras number if she streams unarchived minecraft???

>>5301600
What happened to the karaokes of Gura? I remember when she gathered 110k with a simple karaoke back in September/October. That's too much of a drop to be explained by the Covid-19 restrictions being lifted. My personal theory is that she doesn't promote herself as a singer well enough, Suisei with her karaokes can gather 30k and she has less than half the subscribers

>>5302210
clippers. the streams not even over yet

>>5302210
honeymoon is over, ever wonder why she doesnt average 20k viewers anymore ?

>>5238962
I will never understand how Calli has so many subs compared to most of the others on this list. Is the music and EN buff really that much of a difference maker?

>>5302143
Just ask Pekora to sing… oh wait… nevermind.
>>5302210
>44k is low. Remember when she beat that before?
Well there is always going to be a higher time. Not too long ago Gura broke the record for live views. If you like Gura, that’s decent enough. If you dislike her, then every time she’s up a bit on the charts is another excuse for why it doesn’t actually matter.

Honestly, I just like to see the reactions (for or against). Gura is interesting in particular, because even though people know her views fluctuate a lot, they still seem upset when she moves up. I mean look at the responses. Sort of amusing.

>>5303085
she cant sing, you idiot

>>5302966
mori's top 8 songs gave her about 54.9m views. music is a massive buff

>>5302695
44k this karaoke, begone doomfag

>>5303416
UNARCHIVED STREAM

>>5303416
Stupido

>>5302210
People discovered JP exists

>>5303505
>doesn’t count
There are no rules against it. You’re being a bit too serious.

>>5238283
can't wait to see xqc there

>>5303681
WOULD SHE HAVE 44K IF THIS WASNT ARCHIVED?, im just disappointed that she didnt reach 60k like i imagined her to

>>5303182
>pekora cant sing
That was the joke.

>>5303937
IF SHE CANT SING WHY THE FUCK WAS SHE HIRED IN A IDOL COMPANY?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>5302966
The music buff alone is enough to rank you two or three steps above your average. In case you're wondering, the 54.9m that >>5303304 posted constitutes more than 40% of her channel's viewer activity. I myself don't even bother watching Mori's legendarily bad streams and will only put up with her when any of the other girls that I regularly watch is streaming with her. There are many people like that subbed to her channel.

>>5304016
fuck idolfaggotry pandering, i want the swimsuits back

>>5304016
you're trolling but go check out 3d japanese idols, none of these bitches can sing

>>5303934
not sure with other unarchive karaoke since not sure with how much they get clipped but gura's karaoke is uploaded while the stream is going/seconds after. i doubt unarchived is that much of a buff for her

Imagine being >>5304060 levels of retarded that you would think that idolfags WOULDN'T want to see their idols wearing swimsuits of all things.

>>5238283
Impressive viewer retention.

>>5303934
Shut the fuck up already Gurahater. No one can get 44k by singing other than her.

>>5304060
It was youtube dumb newfag.

>>5304146
This guy probably one of those people that got banned from her channel, isn't he?

>>5304213
that was dloow don't think i've ever seen him in chat

>>5303655
Yeah holo babies first jp singers. Even though all of them are mediocre af.

Well if singing is good for VTuber views, that’s part of the talent they should take advantage of. I’m sure Guta would love to keep up the video if she could. Got to wait till she uploads a song I guess. Maybe at her birthday?

>>5304213
he isn't the only one

>>5304146
holy autism

>>5304190
fuck i forgot about susan...

There shouldn’t be a mental breakdown every time Gura’s views go up, and yet, here we are again.

>>5304182
suityan can

>>5304472
gotta farm you

>>5304472
Being the most popular can get you more haters...
>>5304497
Proof?

>>5304590
her normal karaoke got 35k

>>5304497
Nah, I am not so sure about that.
You can fact check that quite easily in holo.poi.cat

>>5304182
Well someone was saying 44k is low for a Gura karaoke. Not sure if they meant to praise Gura with that comment, or to discredit her accomplishment. My money is on the latter.

>>5278521
Ame reclined big time from February to late April but has since recovered

Superchats for yesterday

>>5304655
im talking about probability tho....

>>5304497
I like Suisei's singing, but the only streams that she has gotten above 40k are special events (3D Lives, Costume reveals, birthday/anniversaries, etc). Judging from what I saw in HoloStats, it seems as if she had just been "discovered" by the internet fairly recently (within the past 6 months).

If you don't believe me, just check yourself.
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/suisei

Gura's previous public karaoke stream got 25k.
44k is an improvement.

>>5304850
Ame plays massive debuff games like random puzzle games and planet zoo. If she did more minecraft and Apex, she would avg 10k+ easily, but ofc I respect her more for doing what she wants.

>>5304955
karaoke...

>>5304957
last one got 35k

>>5304957
Typo, 35k *

so 35k -> 44k. This is a good improvement.

That 100k was during the honeymoon and before the youtube update.

>>5305026
Karaoke isn't a special event for Hololive. They are variety streams.

>>5304957
unarchive doubles the view?? she got 120k when she was averaging close to 50k

>>5305113
im fairly basing it off suiseis karaoke number
>>5305060
>>5305077
ohhh, its also unarchive? my bad, tho this is still an improvement

>>5305134
>how can I discredit the accomplishment?
Why bother? Just move on I guess.
>singing doubles the view
Maybe.

Very strong numbers for Gura. Whenever she does anything music related she usually tops the charts. Wonder when she is going to start working more on that part of her repertoire. Where is the original song Gura?

>>5305529
>Where is the original song Gura?
Probably on her birthday.

>>5304825
Of course is the later, every time Gura makes into number threads there are haters downplaying her.

>>5305077
That 100k was basically a debut karaoke, debut streams are a buff

>>5305529
Imagine if Gura could have a 3D karaoke as some of the jp girls like Suisei, finishing with her own band collab.

>>5305529
Gura isn't thirsty for numbers like that attention rabbit

>Gura has to use "unarchive" to get big numbers
Ogey